| 00:00.05 | cogwheel | if the former, then just use {S, C}, {C}, {S}, etc... |
| 00:01.02 | wereHamster | Callbacks[1] is either C or nil, depending on whether an event was fired that should cause C to be called or not |
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| 00:01.40 | cogwheel | but what i'm saying is, what does the /position/ matter? |
| 00:02.08 | cogwheel | what meaning does a nil in the middle carry? only that that function shouldn't be called? |
| 00:02.08 | wereHamster | yes, if I used {S, C}, {C}, {S} then the callbacks would overwrite each other |
| 00:02.26 | wereHamster | yes, that the function should't be called |
| 00:02.51 | cogwheel | so just use the function's presence in the table to determine whether it should be called... |
| 00:03.01 | cogwheel | not whether it's in spot 1 2 or 3 |
| 00:03.03 | wereHamster | you mean the function as the key? |
| 00:03.06 | cogwheel | no |
| 00:03.41 | cogwheel | ["UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORMS"] = { S }, ["BAG_UPDATE_COOLDOWN"] = { C }, |
| 00:03.46 | cogwheel | then iterate with ipairs |
| 00:04.20 | wereHamster | I don't want to call those in OnEvent, I want to cache the functions and call those in OnUpdate only once each frame |
| 00:04.22 | cogwheel | ["PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD"] = {S, I, C} |
| 00:04.41 | cogwheel | so... store the current index between frames |
| 00:04.46 | wereHamster | because some events are fired a gazilion times once a frame |
| 00:05.06 | cogwheel | err... |
| 00:05.17 | cogwheel | add them to another table to be called |
| 00:05.37 | wereHamster | I do that, the table is called Callbacks in my code |
| 00:05.38 | cogwheel | (one that does use them as keys) |
| 00:06.19 | cogwheel | for _, func in ipairs(eventMap[event]) do Callbacks[func] = true end |
| 00:06.48 | cogwheel | for func in pairs(Callbacks) do func(); Callbacks[func] = nil; end |
| 00:09.02 | bleeter | shits me no end that this happens pretty much every week |
| 00:09.26 | Thunder_Child | shits you no end huh |
| 00:09.47 | Shirik | *knock knock* |
| 00:10.11 | Shirik | "Hey man did you hear about the homicide across the street?" |
| 00:10.16 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: along with most Oceanic players, yes. |
| 00:10.18 | Shirik | That's not something I like to hear >< |
| 00:10.36 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, change servers? |
| 00:10.43 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: no |
| 00:10.57 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, then dont bitch :p |
| 00:11.00 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: the problem is, that the announcement happens at any time between midday and 4pm |
| 00:11.15 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: and as such, no one can really plan wtf to do Tuesday nights |
| 00:11.36 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: given that's sometimes about 3 hours notice (or less) |
| 00:12.00 | bleeter | changing servers wouldn't help |
| 00:12.20 | Thunder_Child | you mean normal tue pach downtime? |
| 00:12.25 | bleeter | yes |
| 00:12.27 | Lunessa | Shirik: Ick |
| 00:12.45 | Thunder_Child | but there is always downtime |
| 00:12.52 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: some days, there's like 8 hours advance notice that there's no play tonight, some days there's 2 hours |
| 00:13.00 | Lunessa | if you're routinely afflicted with down time on tuesdays blleter, go to the pub every tuesday instead. |
| 00:13.10 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: but it doesn't start always at the same time. |
| 00:13.48 | Lunessa | and... I'm out. |
| 00:13.58 | bleeter | Lunessa: all Oceanics are routinely effected |
| 00:14.21 | bleeter | all we ask for is some kinda regular, reasonable, notification of downtime due to the downtime hitting our primetime play |
| 00:14.40 | bleeter | we can but live in hope, I guess |
| 00:15.44 | Thunder_Child | so if they said it always starts at 2am PST it would be better? |
| 00:15.48 | Thunder_Child | even if they start later |
| 00:15.49 | cogwheel | wereHamster: http://pastey.net/80278-1mlx:80275-3oen |
| 00:16.27 | wereHamster | cogwheel, thanks, now I'm waiting for my brother to go to bed so I can test it :) |
| 00:16.50 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: what'd be better is 'we're planning downtime tonight, although there's a chance it may not happen'. Time's largely irrelevant ;) |
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| 00:17.08 | Thunder_Child | isnt there always downtime? |
| 00:17.47 | bleeter | that's to say... No. |
| 00:22.14 | Thunder_Child | boo @ getting schooled by something only 5 lvl's higher than me |
| 00:22.44 | kd3 | that's fairly normal, isn't it? I loathe going more than +3 |
| 00:23.04 | Thunder_Child | not at 40 it wasnt |
| 00:23.16 | cogwheel | downtime would indicate nothing imo, precisely /because/ we haven't had any for two weeks :P |
| 00:24.19 | kd3 | we just had an off-day rolling restart cycle a few days ago, didn't we? |
| 00:24.26 | bleeter | correct |
| 00:24.28 | cogwheel | yep |
| 00:25.04 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...searing gorge may not be the best place for a fire mage |
| 00:25.29 | kd3 | no. I rather hated both BRM zones |
| 00:25.43 | Thunder_Child | but that means feralas then |
| 00:25.48 | Thunder_Child | so much running around |
| 00:26.06 | reqol | does XML support multiple inheritance? |
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| 00:26.30 | Lonny | Yeah I think so |
| 00:26.33 | End | you mean inherits="blah,blah2"? I believe that works |
| 00:26.40 | reqol | yes, and that answers my question, thank you |
| 00:28.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | argh |
| 00:28.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm having difficulties with imageready |
| 00:28.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | deleting frames from my animated gif is actually adding to filesize somehow |
| 00:28.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 00:31.43 | Lonny | Mr_Rabies2, I believe you can shrink it somehow there mate |
| 00:31.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've tried |
| 00:32.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it's compressed as much as possible, but i have no clue how removing frames (and layers) was adding to filesize |
| 00:32.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7483/higurashibf4.gif was the gif i was trying to cut down |
| 00:32.39 | haste | higurashi :D |
| 00:32.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 00:32.58 | haste | you don't have the other gif people usually post from that anime? |
| 00:33.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | you mean the whole scene? |
| 00:33.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have that, but that's the part i want |
| 00:33.19 | haste | no, the knife-headbanging |
| 00:33.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 00:33.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's from that scene :P |
| 00:33.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like the laughing more though |
| 00:33.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's for a sig on a forum |
| 00:33.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | and image size limit is 120k |
| 00:33.52 | haste | D: |
| 00:33.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | it links to a youtube of the intro of episode 5 |
| 00:34.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=uzVju2u8mxg |
| 00:34.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | that one |
| 00:34.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | ;] |
| 00:35.02 | haste | :3 |
| 00:35.39 | haste | <3 the OP song |
| 00:35.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | me too |
| 00:35.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 00:35.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | that series |
| 00:35.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | is so good |
| 00:35.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | they put so much effort into it and the doujin games |
| 00:36.19 | haste | wish I still had the single, so I could rip it in flac :( |
| 00:36.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, how mion/shion's whole family has the kanji for demon in their names and whatnot |
| 00:38.22 | haste | hah, found it :3 |
| 00:38.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's an extended version of this, haste |
| 00:38.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/kj1980/setumei_oni_no_ji.jpg |
| 00:38.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | out there |
| 00:38.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't find it |
| 00:38.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | but like |
| 00:39.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | it shows the word demon in their names D: |
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| 00:42.07 | haste | :3 |
| 00:46.32 | kd3 | meh. s2 of higurashi was a disaster |
| 00:47.56 | kd3 | but huzzah. aria s3's started airing and the first ep's done. /disappears for 25 minutes |
| 00:54.37 | Thunder_Child | heh, pyro for 666 |
| 00:54.51 | Lonny | How does AddOn Studio functions along with VS 2008 installed, both on the same system ? have anyone tried it ? |
| 00:55.40 | Tuller | I would certainly hope well |
| 00:57.01 | Cide | hey Tuller: would you mind if I modify Combuctor locally? |
| 00:57.18 | Tuller | why would I? :P |
| 00:57.28 | Tuller | more importantly, what are you doing to it? :) |
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| 00:57.35 | Cide | dunno, but I thought I'd ask |
| 00:57.41 | Thunder_Child | making improvments... |
| 00:57.47 | Cide | I (already did :P) added a soulbound filter |
| 00:58.03 | Cide | but it's a huge hack so you probably wouldn't want it |
| 00:58.16 | Cide | well, it's pretty clean until it comes to filtering the bank |
| 00:58.28 | Cide | since BagnonDB doesn't store soulbound status |
| 00:58.29 | Thunder_Child | and tabs at the bank |
| 00:58.43 | Tuller | how fast is it? |
| 00:58.53 | Cide | the filter? I haven't measured it |
| 00:59.04 | Cide | it scans the tooltip's second line for ITEM_SOULBOUND |
| 00:59.14 | Tuller | ah |
| 00:59.24 | Cide | BagnonDB saves the result |
| 00:59.25 | Lonny | Not sure, some people reported that there are still some problems with both of them being installed so I wondered if anyone already installed it and experienced anything ? |
| 00:59.29 | Tuller | that's a bit more trivial than I thought it would be |
| 00:59.47 | Cide | it's pretty simple yeah |
| 00:59.56 | Cide | seems to work fine though |
| 01:00.16 | Cide | then I did some small improvements (in my opinion, anyway) - I added a bank tab to the normal window |
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| 01:00.22 | Thunder_Child | Tuller, how about being able to see everything at once at the bank instead of filtering out profession bags to another tab |
| 01:00.23 | Cide | which just imitates the bank window |
| 01:00.48 | Tuller | I actually had a bank window in the original version |
| 01:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | "Anything, as long as there's SDL bindings?" |
| 01:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.58 | Tuller | well, the bank and bag frames were combined |
| 01:01.13 | Tuller | you know right clicking the bag icon toggles the bank, right? :) |
| 01:01.18 | Cide | I actually did it before I found that.. yeah |
| 01:01.24 | Cide | and then I was like "oh well" |
| 01:01.37 | Tuller | Thunder_Child: eh, then what would be the point of those shiny bag filters? :) |
| 01:01.45 | Cide | the inventory window is more compact anyway :P |
| 01:02.00 | Cide | oh, I did that too |
| 01:02.09 | Cide | the bag filters are there but the "Normal" tab shows everything |
| 01:02.27 | Thunder_Child | Tuller, i dont mind haveing an option to filter profession bags out, but it would be nice to see all of the bank at once |
| 01:02.30 | Cide | made it easier to find stuff by name |
| 01:03.15 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: /bow |
| 01:03.23 | Tuller | yeah I guess I could see that |
| 01:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: that's incredible |
| 01:03.40 | bleeter | I thought it was just the obvious retort ;) |
| 01:03.40 | Tuller | the reason its done like it is is to make it easier to find things though :P |
| 01:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It was so perfect, lol |
| 01:04.18 | bleeter | course, the more obvious retort would include 'and if there isn't, teach her to write bindings' |
| 01:04.36 | Thunder_Child | Tuller, well for example i cant fit all of my ench into one prof bag so it overflows into standard bags, which means i cant see all of my ench at once |
| 01:04.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh someone else can cover that |
| 01:04.58 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: be my guest ;) |
| 01:05.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm the post right above you ;) |
| 01:05.05 | Tuller | perhaps i could just have a setting for that |
| 01:05.10 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I know :P |
| 01:05.11 | Tuller | "Normal Shows All" |
| 01:05.33 | Tuller | or setup the bottom tabs to actually be trade tabs instead of bag sets |
| 01:05.45 | bleeter | Tuller: as a long time bagnon user, and someone who's prepared to put up with stuff that's in development, would you recommend using your new bag system foo yet? |
| 01:06.01 | bleeter | (if, in fact, my memory serves me correct and you're writing one hehe) |
| 01:06.03 | Tuller | its pretty stable :) |
| 01:06.14 | Tuller | but subject to complete change whenever I feel like it |
| 01:06.14 | bleeter | sweet :) |
| 01:06.21 | bleeter | oh, great.. that's the best :) |
| 01:07.03 | Tuller | normal, trade, keys, ammo |
| 01:07.14 | Tuller | setup as just normal item type checks, I guess |
| 01:07.22 | Tuller | then the side filters can be more specific from there or something |
| 01:07.30 | bleeter | reagents? |
| 01:08.43 | Thunder_Child | custom filters? |
| 01:09.17 | Tuller | i'm a little iffy on custom filters |
| 01:10.14 | MentalPower | bleeter: I'll take it! |
| 01:10.15 | bleeter | Tuller: this is combuctor on your google code svn? |
| 01:10.15 | Thunder_Child | well profession filters are nice but people have their own idea of what is to be filtered in what |
| 01:10.21 | Tuller | bleeter: yeah |
| 01:10.29 | bleeter | Tuller: sweet |
| 01:10.32 | bleeter | thanks mate |
| 01:10.51 | MentalPower | done! |
| 01:11.11 | Tuller | i'm pondering a system where you have the bottom tabs be general filters -> specific filters on the side ones |
| 01:11.33 | MentalPower | brb, restarting PC |
| 01:12.26 | Tuller | ie, setup an armor & weapons tab, then have the side tabs act as sets or something? I have no idea :P |
| 01:12.45 | Tuller | I don't wanna overcomplicate things :) |
| 01:12.46 | Thunder_Child | sub tabs per tap does open up more options |
| 01:13.11 | Tuller | but the side tabs are pretty useless for anything but normal slots |
| 01:13.11 | Thunder_Child | well just because they are there doesnt mean you have to use the |
| 01:13.12 | Thunder_Child | m |
| 01:14.47 | Tuller | right |
| 01:14.58 | Tuller | but setup itself could be complicated :P |
| 01:15.10 | Thunder_Child | whos side, yours or the users? |
| 01:15.15 | Tuller | the user side :P |
| 01:15.31 | Thunder_Child | what setup? |
| 01:15.49 | Tuller | create a bottom tab, then setup what side tabs you want for that tab |
| 01:16.08 | Thunder_Child | oh..i was thinking preset tabs |
| 01:17.20 | Thunder_Child | with the option to edit them, that way it's sout of the box if you dont want to mess with anything but still has custom options |
| 01:17.57 | Tuller | yeah well, I still need to define these general -> specific tabs :P |
| 01:18.15 | Tuller | ie, what are the general options, what are the specific optiions for each thing |
| 01:18.30 | Tuller | ammo/shards is obvious |
| 01:18.42 | Thunder_Child | Equip -> armor/weapons/trinks/etc. |
| 01:18.43 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 01:18.49 | Tuller | yeah |
| 01:19.05 | Tuller | all, ammo, equip, keys, trade? |
| 01:19.19 | Thunder_Child | and use |
| 01:19.24 | Tuller | true |
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| 01:20.05 | Tuller | those map pretty well to item types |
| 01:20.08 | Thunder_Child | and trade covers professions? |
| 01:20.12 | Tuller | right |
| 01:20.16 | Thunder_Child | what about trash |
| 01:20.27 | Tuller | we don't believe in trash :P |
| 01:20.37 | Thunder_Child | it belives in you |
| 01:20.53 | Tuller | trash knows only my auto vendor |
| 01:22.13 | Tuller | trash is really covered by the grey/white filter |
| 01:22.21 | Thunder_Child | well atm you have trash going into misc i think |
| 01:22.40 | Tuller | yeah, I don't really plan on having a 100% coverage |
| 01:23.57 | Tuller | we forgot quest :P |
| 01:24.38 | Tuller | All, Ammo, Equip, Keys, Trade, Use, Quest, Trash |
| 01:24.54 | Tuller | and eight is too many unless I up the window size :P |
| 01:25.20 | Tuller | or the maximum, I should have wow open |
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| 01:28.18 | Cide | Trash sounds like the Grey filter :P |
| 01:28.25 | Tuller | yeah |
| 01:28.55 | Tuller | these will likely be the side tabs, since the bottom ones are slower to click, I guess |
| 01:29.36 | Tuller | it also cleans up the ammo tab display a lot |
| 01:30.26 | Tuller | I just now need to think of the subcats :P |
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| 01:40.12 | reqol | tauren racial: 5% base hp or geared HP? |
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| 01:41.59 | reqol | total seems to be the operative word |
| 01:45.15 | bleeter | hey, strange question just popped into my head... if Slouken's now Blizz's lead, what's John Cash up to these days? |
| 01:45.44 | cogwheel | O.o? |
| 01:46.45 | Cairenn | lead in different areas |
| 01:47.25 | bleeter | Cairenn: ah, so didn't move to other pastures (ie, different company). Good-o. The guy's a bit of a brain ;) |
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| 01:58.01 | bleeter | huh? our account passwords are case insensitive? |
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| 01:58.11 | bleeter | I've been smacking the shift key with no reason? |
| 01:58.45 | kd3 | whu? /pops open wow |
| 01:59.09 | bleeter | I'm trying to make sense of http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773323176&sid=1 |
| 01:59.34 | kd3 | OMFG |
| 01:59.39 | kd3 | that needs to get fixed yesterday |
| 01:59.47 | bleeter | damn it's hard to type my password without SHIFT... it's so ingrained hehe |
| 02:01.03 | kd3 | crap, that wasn't in the bug reports forum |
| 02:01.21 | bleeter | kd3: you wanna post? |
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| 02:01.30 | kd3 | post in progress. up in a sec |
| 02:01.33 | bleeter | kk |
| 02:02.23 | bleeter | my password has.. more than four caps in it |
| 02:02.39 | bleeter | I'm pretty pissed off about now for needlessly using the shift key for 2+ years :/ |
| 02:02.42 | bleeter | *passwords have |
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| 02:04.03 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773253372&postId=37728751553&sid=1#0 |
| 02:04.44 | Duman | ruh roh |
| 02:05.40 | Duman | that's not good |
| 02:05.45 | kd3 | euro users; mind checking this on your end? |
| 02:05.58 | Duman | I wonder how long that's been the case |
| 02:06.34 | Duman | wow |
| 02:06.38 | Duman | works for the forums, too |
| 02:06.51 | Duman | altho it was hard to type my passwd w/o shift... damn finger memory, heh |
| 02:07.11 | cogwheel | probably to make it easier for n00bs? |
| 02:07.22 | kd3 | worked for website auth too. worried that it's intentional |
| 02:07.38 | Duman | ugh |
| 02:07.47 | bleeter | it's not that hard to detect caps lock 'hey, you've got capslock enabled, are you sure you want to enter your password like that' |
| 02:07.48 | Duman | cog: probably... but... |
| 02:08.08 | bleeter | kd3: I referenced your report in the General post |
| 02:08.16 | kd3 | thanks. was about to do that myself |
| 02:09.04 | bleeter | too many |
| 02:09.09 | bleeter | where 1 = too many |
| 02:10.07 | bleeter | kd3: I suspect if forums do it as well, account management will too, and thus it's going to happen in Europe too |
| 02:10.43 | bleeter | wonder if they could 'fix' it without everyone having to create new passwords |
| 02:13.59 | Cairenn | http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6989/consolechartyr2.jpg |
| 02:14.37 | Duman | haha |
| 02:14.52 | bleeter | heh |
| 02:14.54 | Shirik | Okay I'm going to bed, badly need sleep |
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| 02:14.56 | Shirik | take care guys |
| 02:15.00 | bleeter | nn Shirik, rest well |
| 02:15.04 | Tuller | hehe, no wonder, I got the intel codenames mixed up :P |
| 02:15.06 | Cairenn | night Shirik|zZz, sweet dreams |
| 02:15.11 | Tuller | I thought penryn was the desktop :P |
| 02:15.19 | End | lol |
| 02:15.23 | Shirik|zZz | hey Tuller do you have a priest? |
| 02:15.30 | Tuller | nope! |
| 02:15.37 | Tuller | but I know about the possess bar |
| 02:15.48 | Duman | someone didn't make the conditionals in that flowchart properly, tho ;-) |
| 02:15.48 | Tuller | assuming that was the question |
| 02:15.50 | Shirik|zZz | eh, ok I'll keep investigating it then. Mind Vision is doing some wierd things |
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| 02:16.34 | Shirik|zZz | The little hand to cast thingy stays there waiting for a target to be picked, even though mind vision went off |
| 02:16.54 | Shirik|zZz | which makes it difficult to either recast mind vision or do something else |
| 02:17.21 | Tuller | that's likely not something on my end |
| 02:17.34 | Shirik|zZz | ok well like I said I'll keep looking at it |
| 02:17.47 | Shirik|zZz | night :) |
| 02:18.13 | bleeter | kd3: you've been reported! |
| 02:18.19 | bleeter | not by me, mind you |
| 02:18.24 | kd3 | duman reported me |
| 02:18.29 | kd3 | trying to get more attention |
| 02:18.39 | bleeter | ah, damn |
| 02:18.45 | bleeter | was hoping for some drama fun :( |
| 02:18.49 | bleeter | ;) |
| 02:19.02 | kd3 | eh, I'm a forum troll. I've long-since stopped caring when I've gotten reported |
| 02:19.24 | kd3 | especially since I still haven't gotten banned for my old escapades in the PTR forum |
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| 02:19.55 | cogwheel | kd3: heh... remember my 2.0 breakdown? |
| 02:19.56 | bleeter | face it, hortus lubz u ;) |
| 02:20.02 | cogwheel | and i made it to green :P |
| 02:20.25 | bleeter | cogwheel: I don't think anything in recent WoW history has stunned me more than your gaining green ;) |
| 02:20.37 | kd3 | heh. the funny thing is, slouken got a hold of me on IRC a few days ago. if my account hadn't been frozen then I probably would've had to say no to getting green text |
| 02:20.47 | bleeter | not that I don't think you deserve it :D |
| 02:21.34 | bleeter | I thought hortus was gunna ban me from PTR forums for the 2.2 sound foo |
| 02:21.38 | Duman | haha |
| 02:21.42 | Duman | poor hortus |
| 02:21.48 | cogwheel | bleeter: somehow i think this might amuse you... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1371602689&sid=1&pageNo=3#50 |
| 02:22.18 | Duman | haha |
| 02:22.46 | bleeter | cogwheel: I'm tempted to try to necrothread report you :P |
| 02:25.13 | cogwheel | the moderator might get a kick out of it ;) |
| 02:25.46 | cogwheel | the fact that someone /signed after the fact is absolutely hilarious XD |
| 02:26.59 | bleeter | yeah, I'm more tempted to report them for stupidity 101 |
| 02:28.55 | Duman | is that a bannable offense yet? |
| 02:29.10 | bleeter | drysc would like it so |
| 02:29.25 | bleeter | he posted just before christmas something about wanting ability to ban folks who make his brain hurt |
| 02:29.31 | Duman | haha |
| 02:29.41 | kd3 | cogwheel, who's your MVP coordinator anyway? slouken or one of the regular CMs? |
| 02:31.04 | End | it's hortus! |
| 02:31.05 | End | jk |
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| 02:33.33 | cogwheel | drysc contacted me |
| 02:33.59 | End | via email? |
| 02:34.02 | bleeter | cogwheel: I'm more amused, tbh, with Cairenn's response on page 1 of that thread, essentially saying 'nevah!' ... raspberries to her hehe |
| 02:34.29 | cogwheel | of course, in a way /i/ said nevah too :P |
| 02:34.49 | bleeter | need a greasemonkey script to replace your avatar ;) |
| 02:34.49 | cogwheel | so gimmeh mah razzies!! |
| 02:35.18 | Cairenn | how did I say "nevah" ? |
| 02:35.29 | bleeter | "they only have slots for one MVP for the UI & Macro forum" |
| 02:35.58 | Cairenn | ooooh, that |
| 02:36.01 | bleeter | cogwheel: just teasing you, hun :) |
| 02:36.03 | Cairenn | that's WAY back |
| 02:36.03 | End | apparently they decided to have more slots :P |
| 02:36.09 | bleeter | s/cogwheel/cairenn/ |
| 02:36.10 | Cairenn | yup |
| 02:36.11 | bleeter | but still, haha |
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| 02:36.40 | Cairenn | that was back when people were asking why I wasn't |
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| 02:36.44 | bleeter | cogwheel: that's the only time you'll ever see me call you hun, sweetie, so soak it up while you can :) |
| 02:37.04 | cogwheel | you got it, babe |
| 02:37.09 | End | cogwheel: I'll call you hun, sweetie! |
| 02:37.35 | End | or I won't |
| 02:37.39 | End | because that might be creepy |
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| 02:38.42 | hun | now what're you gonna do? |
| 02:38.52 | bleeter | wait for you to conquer asia |
| 02:39.51 | End | I'll call you gnome formerly known as cogwheel |
| 02:45.34 | kd3 | heh, a new and improved version of armory brokenness |
| 02:45.44 | kd3 | it halfway starts rendering my char sheet and then breaks |
| 02:45.49 | kd3 | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Medivh&n=Kaydeethree |
| 02:47.36 | bleeter | kd3: all I get is char data unavail |
| 02:47.50 | kd3 | so am I now. just refreshed and got that |
| 02:48.11 | End | yeah, it's all sorts of messed up |
| 02:48.22 | End | early it was just doing a wowarmory error screen |
| 02:48.43 | End | where it had a picture of an anvil with the words WoW armory (or something like that) and nothing else |
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| 02:57.00 | Beladona | kd3: I added you to friends, I hope you don't mind |
| 02:57.41 | kd3 | not at all. where? wowi? aim? |
| 02:57.48 | Beladona | wow |
| 02:57.51 | Beladona | in-game |
| 02:57.54 | kd3 | ah |
| 02:58.02 | kd3 | welcome to medivh |
| 02:58.15 | Beladona | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Medivh&n=Beladon |
| 02:58.38 | Beladona | well, if it worked |
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| 03:14.30 | bleeter | Tuller: are you aware of any Combuctor tooltip issues with, at a guess, Auctioneer? |
| 03:14.51 | mikma | combuctor tooltips? |
| 03:14.55 | Tuller | i'm not aware of any, no |
| 03:15.02 | mikma | are you sure you aren't talking about TipTac + Auctioneer |
| 03:15.07 | Tuller | but combuctor does not do any special tooltip stuff |
| 03:15.14 | mikma | they bug togethet quite nicely |
| 03:15.59 | bleeter | Tuller: didn't think it would.. I've only added a couple of new mods this morning, and the tooltip is all screwed up on the, what I guess are, filtered tabs of combuctor |
| 03:16.23 | bleeter | will get a screenshot shortly, phone call at the worst time :/ |
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| 03:19.12 | bleeter | mikma: if I've got TipTac, then it's come from a library that I'm unaware of (yet) |
| 03:19.16 | bleeter | Tuller: http://norganna.org/up/show.php/GBQekl/WoWScrnShot_010808_141453_trim.jpg |
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| 03:20.12 | Tuller | looks like something is missing a show |
| 03:20.30 | bleeter | Tuller: interestingly enough, tooltip's fine on the non-filtered tabs |
| 03:20.49 | |Jelly| | SHIRIK NEEDS TO COME BACK |
| 03:20.54 | Tuller | should actually be zero difference |
| 03:21.43 | bleeter | hmm, wonder if it's a problem with EnhTooltip |
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| 03:31.30 | Thunder_Child | i is returned |
| 03:34.20 | kd3 | oh wow. NECB's getting abandoned. </3 |
| 03:34.51 | Cairenn | actually, nope |
| 03:35.29 | Cairenn | kd3: link? |
| 03:35.41 | kd3 | his page on curse |
| 03:35.45 | kd3 | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/2786/ |
| 03:36.54 | kd3 | ah, his page on wowi too |
| 03:36.58 | kd3 | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6616-NaturEnemyCastBar.html |
| 03:36.59 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 03:37.03 | Cairenn | just found it |
| 03:37.56 | Beladona | its not official yet, but Naturfreund and I are talking about my taking it over |
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| 03:40.05 | Beladona | someone spoke of doing an ace version as well, so there may be an ace fork of it |
| 03:40.32 | Beladona | but mine would be a continuation of the current |
| 03:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=59248302&sid=1&pageNo=4#63 <-- die thread die |
| 03:41.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there anyone who can find a way to get that locked, or no? |
| 03:43.34 | kd3 | Report post #61 for a thread necro |
| 03:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Done, but still |
| 03:44.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I've reported it for necromancy before |
| 03:44.52 | bleeter | yeah |
| 03:46.16 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: I hate you so much |
| 03:46.22 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 03:46.30 | |Jelly| | ~hug ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:46.31 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on ScytheBlade1 and suddenly hugs ScytheBlade1 tightly |
| 03:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: I thought you would be impressed, my troll-fu is slowly getting better... "Your opinions are irrelevant" and all |
| 03:47.17 | |Jelly| | I quite like the trolling. The greens have already been given out- there's no one to impress now. :P |
| 03:47.19 | batrick | anybody know a good .flac player that also rips CDs to .flac? (linux) |
| 03:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: it's no player, but GRIP is an excellent ripper |
| 03:47.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And I use audacious to play my music on my desktop, and xmms2 on my laptop |
| 03:48.05 | kd3 | just about anything will play flac these days on linux. |
| 03:48.07 | kd3 | xmms2 <3 |
| 03:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | <3 |
| 03:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It has 320MB of fury of RAM |
| 03:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | So... xmms2 wins |
| 03:48.50 | bleeter | kd3: you know of any repos with xmms2? |
| 03:49.02 | kd3 | neg. that's nearly the only app I compile from source |
| 03:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Same here (minus the "only app I compile from source" bit) |
| 03:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Gentoo has an ebuild up, but it's not in the tree |
| 03:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | git is @ http://git.xmms.se/, and it looks like they have some RPMs up here: http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Download_XMMS2 |
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| 03:52.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I build from the devel tree and use the CLI, no real complaints |
| 03:53.17 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, I've been following that project for over two years now.. |
| 03:53.25 | kd3 | I just build from the release tree and use the gkrellm2 plugin |
| 03:53.34 | kd3 | s/release tree/release tarballs/ |
| 03:54.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Which reminds me, I need to get ubuntu OFF the laptop.. |
| 03:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not nice to a 15GB HD, 700MHz CPU, and 320MB of RAM |
| 03:55.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Rather, it's swap-tastic |
| 03:56.55 | kd3 | eesh |
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| 04:09.53 | kd3 | good grief at pc security lately. now all NT-based MS OSes are vulnerable to an MBR vuln |
| 04:10.01 | kd3 | are we back in the DOS days? |
| 04:11.20 | Beladona | I actually new a raid leader like this: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~dmackay/troxed.swf |
| 04:11.24 | Beladona | knew* |
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| 04:21.40 | Beladona | you guys aren't awake enough. Hopefully this will wake you up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l12Csc_lW0Q |
| 04:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I'm waiting for the same article, only s/NT/Linux/ and it's hosted on microsoft.com |
| 04:22.31 | ScytheBlade1 | YOU KNOW IT WILL HAPPEN! |
| 04:22.35 | kd3 | no doubt |
| 04:24.51 | Thunder_Child | why dont they put on the "breaking news" segment that they will be aplying a new patch, it's not like they are going to change their minds at the last minute |
| 04:27.20 | kd3 | have they ever? |
| 04:27.27 | Thunder_Child | i dont think so |
| 04:28.27 | kd3 | welp... 2 hours after I fired off the email to hacks@blizzard I get the standard "we got it. don't reply" email. hrm |
| 04:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: concerning? |
| 04:30.40 | kd3 | the wow auth server isn't respecting case-sensitivity |
| 04:30.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That's nothing new though |
| 04:31.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Hasn't it been that way... since release? |
| 04:31.05 | kd3 | yea, but it's still not acceptable in this day and age |
| 04:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 04:32.17 | cogwheel | the more i listen to this recording of Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, the more it (the guide) reminds me of wikipedia... |
| 04:40.27 | Beladona | kd3: passwords? |
| 04:40.31 | kd3 | yup |
| 04:40.38 | Beladona | I actually never used that |
| 04:40.46 | Beladona | but then I never mix up the case on my passwords |
| 04:40.49 | kd3 | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773253372&sid=1 |
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| 04:43.12 | cogwheel | unless you make varied case required, it's not going to make any appreciable difference imo |
| 04:43.32 | cogwheel | unless you keep a written list of your passwords without case or something... |
| 04:43.49 | kd3 | "written list"? |
| 04:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Technically I keep a "written list" |
| 04:44.18 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's also stored behind actual crypto in another state |
| 04:45.09 | cogwheel | i just mean, anyone who's smart enough to use caps voluntarily is also not going to make every other aspect of the password "easy" |
| 04:45.36 | cogwheel | so how does it give you any extra protection? |
| 04:46.26 | cogwheel | and unless you require a couple caps characters, it's not going to help anyone who doesn't know better |
| 04:46.53 | kd3 | *MY* password is less secure. that's why I'm so up in arms about it |
| 04:47.31 | Thunder_Child | blizz can choose any wich way they want to do things |
| 04:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 04:47.39 | ScytheBlade1 | And we can complain |
| 04:47.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And whine |
| 04:47.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And complain some more :) |
| 04:47.45 | End | quick, kd3's password is mix case, let's guess it! |
| 04:47.52 | End | is it WoBbLe!? |
| 04:47.53 | Thunder_Child | and thay can choose to ignore you |
| 04:48.02 | cogwheel | only by an order of magnitude or two... assuming your PW is strong in other aspects, orders of magnitude aren't extremely significant... |
| 04:48.14 | End | or maybe LeMMINGWalrUs |
| 04:48.44 | Thunder_Child | K@yd3yTHr33 |
| 04:49.16 | ScytheBlade1 | *watches |
| 04:50.26 | End | when I first wrote "it's mix case, let's guess it", I realized how useless and retarded I was, then I decided it was funny anyways :P |
| 04:51.34 | cogwheel | considering most account compromises are due to passwords that were /acquired/ rather than /discovered/, what's the point of going beyond "impossible to guess"? "eo98oeacc" is no more guessable in a practical sense than "Eo98OeaCC" |
| 04:51.55 | End | that is true |
| 04:51.58 | End | keyloggers ftl |
| 04:52.05 | End | (and I'm not kidding around) |
| 04:52.18 | Thunder_Child | it is with brute force though |
| 04:52.19 | End | (not that I've ever had a problem) |
| 04:52.55 | End | I doubt many passwords are brute forced |
| 04:53.04 | TecnoBrat | cogwheel, it would be a lot more than options than 1 or two magnitudes if you were bruteforcing them |
| 04:53.25 | End | most are probably from keyloggers or the user giving it out freely for some reason or another |
| 04:53.32 | TecnoBrat | End, indeed |
| 04:53.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Perfect opportunity to whine here! |
| 04:53.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Verified by Visa SUCKS. |
| 04:53.55 | End | I do think it's kinda stupid it doesn't care about case, but case sensitivity is pretty minor relatively speaking :P |
| 04:54.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Caps your password at 8 in length and doesn't allow certain characters |
| 04:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | NO WAY TO OPT OUT |
| 04:54.07 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 04:54.17 | End | :o |
| 04:54.23 | art3mis | my fav password thing is that most "dating" and social sites out there dont support "shfit" characters |
| 04:54.25 | art3mis | shift |
| 04:54.31 | art3mis | like #$^#$ |
| 04:54.33 | TecnoBrat | I have no idea what Verified by Visa is even |
| 04:54.41 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, then use mastercard and stop bitching |
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| 04:54.55 | ScytheBlade1 | TecnoBrat: use a Visa online, and it'll take you to a site where you have to enter a password to complete the transaction |
| 04:55.00 | cogwheel | lua> 26^8 |
| 04:55.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: debit card through my bank |
| 04:55.00 | lua_bot | cogwheel: 208827064576 |
| 04:55.02 | Thunder_Child | TecnoBrat, it's something visa uses for online shoping |
| 04:55.06 | TecnoBrat | Ahh |
| 04:55.07 | cogwheel | lua> 52^8 |
| 04:55.07 | lua_bot | cogwheel: 53459728531456 |
| 04:55.23 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, new bank |
| 04:55.24 | cogwheel | ^ 2 orders of magnitude for an 8-letter password with only alpha characters |
| 04:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: that takes effort |
| 04:55.37 | TecnoBrat | Blizzard needs to add a couple dropdowns on the account login page |
| 04:55.38 | cogwheel | it would be even less significant with numbers and symbols included |
| 04:55.38 | End | I haven't seen Verified by Visa either, and my credit card is a visa |
| 04:55.46 | End | ....I don't shop on many sites either though |
| 04:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's done on a per-bank basis from what I can tell |
| 04:55.54 | TecnoBrat | Select the right dropdowns = you login |
| 04:55.55 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, so does bitching..though not as much it's true |
| 04:56.00 | TecnoBrat | select the wrong ones, = you don't |
| 04:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: lol |
| 04:56.24 | TecnoBrat | selecting dropdowns = not keyloggable .. now obviously the keylogger could take screenshots too |
| 04:59.30 | cogwheel | I'm just saying I don't think it should be treated so urgently... It's not making people with no security sense any worse off and passwords are way too easy to get by other means for anyone to bother trying brute force |
| 04:59.55 | cogwheel | maybe for a high-profile target |
| 05:00.06 | cogwheel | or if someone has a vendetta against you... |
| 05:00.54 | bleeter | for the record, account name (login) is insensitive too |
| 05:00.57 | laindir | in any case, the complexity would probably be increased more just by increasing the minimum length by 2 |
| 05:01.24 | kd3 | lua> 26^8 |
| 05:01.25 | lua_bot | kd3: 208827064576 |
| 05:01.38 | Thunder_Child | and if someone was going to brute force it by now they would have done it...it's been long enough |
| 05:02.18 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: who says they haven't? |
| 05:02.41 | Thunder_Child | i'm not, i'm saying that chaning it now isnt going to do all that much |
| 05:02.45 | Thunder_Child | changing* |
| 05:02.55 | TecnoBrat | its rare to find a site that has case sensitive usernames |
| 05:03.07 | TecnoBrat | just because it makes support / billing that much more difficult |
| 05:03.23 | TecnoBrat | yes, my username is HdYTsiUSa |
| 05:04.37 | laindir | I think they're just rare for http-based applications |
| 05:04.43 | TecnoBrat | Thunder_Child, except if they have bruteforced hundreds of peoples accounts, thats hundreds more that can be done |
| 05:04.44 | laindir | not sure why that is |
| 05:05.29 | TecnoBrat | laindir, I know that we used to have them at my work, and it got removed early on because it was becoming a nightmare to manage |
| 05:05.47 | bleeter | we used to do it at my former employer's |
| 05:06.10 | TecnoBrat | I couldn't imagine what it would of been like if it kept going to this day, now that we have almost 10 million members |
| 05:06.11 | TecnoBrat | lol |
| 05:06.13 | bleeter | the login username was case sensitive, but for support services it was converted to to lowercase. |
| 05:06.16 | Thunder_Child | TecnoBrat, well if i have this correct, all PW's stored by blizz are in lowercase format. Realisticly how many people do you think we bother to redo their PW's |
| 05:06.44 | bleeter | and they were forced, via insensitive checks, to be unique, too |
| 05:07.36 | TecnoBrat | you know whats worse about all of this? |
| 05:07.42 | TecnoBrat | You now know 1 thing |
| 05:07.47 | TecnoBrat | your password is not encrypted. |
| 05:08.10 | TecnoBrat | unless they convert to lower case I guess before they encrypt |
| 05:08.13 | TecnoBrat | but I doubt that |
| 05:08.16 | kd3 | it may still be, they just run a .toLower() before it gets put in the database |
| 05:09.03 | TecnoBrat | yea, its possible |
| 05:10.24 | Duman | heh |
| 05:10.28 | Duman | we still talking about passwds? :) |
| 05:10.36 | bleeter | personally, I think Blizz should enforce password changes every three months ;) |
| 05:10.55 | bleeter | Duman: don't think we stopped lol |
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| 05:11.22 | Duman | 3mo is too often for the general masses, imho |
| 05:11.30 | Duman | but they should do something, I agree |
| 05:12.15 | Duman | hmm, assuming MOST people only use A-Z0-9 and a few "extra" chars.. and 8-character passwds... that's hmm |
| 05:12.32 | Duman | >echo "(26+10+5)^8" | bc |
| 05:12.32 | Duman | 7984925229121 |
| 05:12.50 | Duman | (w/o caps) |
| 05:12.52 | Duman | w/ caps... |
| 05:12.53 | Duman | >echo "(26+10+5+26)^8" | bc |
| 05:12.53 | Duman | 406067677556641 |
| 05:12.58 | cogwheel | You know what would suck but would actually work is if they assigned you a randomized password and you had the option to generate a new one at will... |
| 05:13.11 | Duman | well |
| 05:13.12 | Duman | heh |
| 05:13.37 | cogwheel | but it'll still make no difference to the general-case hacked account |
| 05:13.58 | Duman | yeah it's irrelevant in the keylogger scenario :-/ |
| 05:14.07 | TecnoBrat | on another note, always seed your hashes! |
| 05:14.14 | Duman | haha |
| 05:14.20 | TecnoBrat | http://gdataonline.com/seekhash.php |
| 05:14.25 | TecnoBrat | for example |
| 05:14.54 | Duman | unless they employ some sort of randomized "punch in the last 4 letters of your password using the keys below" type thing that some bank-type websites (ingdirect, for example) use |
| 05:15.01 | TecnoBrat | even if you seed it with a single char, it makes those sites useless. |
| 05:18.05 | Duman | cogwheel w/ the green in the Bug thread! |
| 05:18.07 | Duman | ;) |
| 05:23.34 | cogwheel | kicking 'em while they're down again? |
| 05:23.37 | cogwheel | :P |
| 05:23.45 | |Jelly| | Your green text doesn't scare me! |
| 05:23.47 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773323290&sid=1 |
| 05:24.07 | |Jelly| | ...and I actually opened that before all that other stuff. I was just distracted while typing. lol |
| 05:26.47 | |Jelly| | It's so freaking muggy in here. :( |
| 05:31.47 | TecnoBrat | err that thread |
| 05:31.52 | TecnoBrat | quoting cogwheel |
| 05:33.29 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.3.x ToC: 20300 | Congrats Slouken on new baby! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773503086&postId=37729048455&sid=1#0 | Happy Birthday Beladona! |
| 05:33.54 | Thunder_Child | "i like to move it move it, you like to.." |
| 05:34.28 | Thunder_Child | ~happy Birthday Beladona |
| 05:34.29 | purl | ACTION sings the 'Happy Birthday' song horribly out of tune for Beladona |
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| 05:35.14 | bleeter | cogwheel: no offence, but I felt I had to reply to your post in the p/w thread |
| 05:35.43 | TecnoBrat | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1625 |
| 05:35.48 | TecnoBrat | Must link that too |
| 05:35.54 | TecnoBrat | can't announce a baby without it |
| 05:36.04 | bleeter | imdeed |
| 05:36.06 | bleeter | in |
| 05:36.16 | Thunder_Child | it's in the forum post |
| 05:36.39 | Cairenn | yup |
| 05:36.40 | TecnoBrat | Cairenn, how did you get the details?!? |
| 05:36.44 | TecnoBrat | Thats what I wanna know |
| 05:36.54 | Thunder_Child | she and sam are good buddies |
| 05:36.59 | Cairenn | yep |
| 05:37.13 | Thunder_Child | wait...why am i doing all of the answering |
| 05:37.33 | TecnoBrat | Thunder_Child, I know it was in the post :P |
| 05:37.45 | TecnoBrat | I still think its a crime to not have a pic immediately :P |
| 05:38.28 | kd3 | like the happy parents have enough unoccupied braincells to even think about anything else for a while? |
| 05:40.43 | kd3 | oh and lol @ lenno's thread |
| 05:40.57 | kd3 | has he finally gotten off the "ace is god" bandwagon? |
| 05:41.23 | Thunder_Child | ace is god? |
| 05:41.31 | Thunder_Child | huh..i suppose that makes sense |
| 05:42.58 | Bela|afk | night guys. and thanks - I just noticed the bday thing |
| 05:44.44 | TecnoBrat | Oh, there is someone named Bela? |
| 05:44.52 | TecnoBrat | I thought taht was the name of the baby! |
| 05:44.59 | TecnoBrat | Happy bday Bela|afk :) |
| 05:46.28 | Bela|afk | lol no, I am not Slouken's baby |
| 05:46.37 | Bela|afk | that would quite a picture |
| 05:46.42 | Bela|afk | be* |
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| 05:51.04 | TecnoBrat | I am sure you can understand how I would assume that by the topic though :P |
| 05:52.09 | cogwheel | bleeter: none taken... replied ;) |
| 05:53.46 | cogwheel | (and edited) |
| 06:06.01 | TecnoBrat | hey cogwheel I clicked your wowi link in your sig .. and read about the book .. |
| 06:06.06 | TecnoBrat | when is it planning on releasing? |
| 06:06.15 | cogwheel | april hopefully... |
| 06:06.21 | cogwheel | all i know is what i read on amazon though XD |
| 06:06.29 | cogwheel | they don't tell us much :P |
| 06:06.33 | cogwheel | ~wowprogramming |
| 06:06.34 | purl | wowprogramming is probably World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out Early 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya |
| 06:07.09 | TecnoBrat | lol |
| 06:07.14 | TecnoBrat | so its done? |
| 06:07.20 | cogwheel | editing atm |
| 06:07.36 | bleeter | damn, blizz have a lame choice of non-alphanumeric chars allowable |
| 06:07.53 | bleeter | !"#$% << and that's it |
| 06:08.07 | TecnoBrat | April 28, 2008 |
| 06:08.08 | TecnoBrat | heh |
| 06:08.17 | bleeter | I tried creating a password that contained an @ symbol, refused to accept it |
| 06:08.28 | bleeter | cogwheel: more follow up to come .. was changing password ;) |
| 06:08.38 | cogwheel | :) |
| 06:08.42 | TecnoBrat | max length? |
| 06:13.46 | _Chloe | Anyone know of a good guide or something to use the ColorPickerFrame? |
| 06:16.14 | bleeter | TecnoBrat: 16 |
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| 06:40.29 | cogwheel | bleeter: one thing that strikes me is wow hopefully has some sort of throttle on login attempts which would make brute force attacks practically impossible anyway... even if not, you'd be dropped for flooding if you were going fast enough to have any decent chance at finding something |
| 06:41.15 | cogwheel | might even have to go fast enough to be seen as a DOS attack :P |
| 06:42.36 | TecnoBrat | you make wow players download a program |
| 06:42.43 | TecnoBrat | that attempts passwords! |
| 06:42.49 | TecnoBrat | call it a ... password logger |
| 06:43.02 | bleeter | cogwheel: that's what I allude to in my reply to you |
| 06:43.27 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, http://gizmodo.com/341634/casios-exilim-pro-ex+f1-hands+on-1200-fps-demo-video-and-sample-60+shots+per+second-gallery |
| 06:43.34 | bleeter | something along the lines of 'given the bugfree status of the game, I believe that any detection software Blizz have may be equally bug free', or similar ;) |
| 06:43.50 | cogwheel | :P |
| 06:44.00 | bleeter | cogwheel: I'm working on one last follow up to you, based on my experience just then of actually changing my password |
| 06:44.17 | bleeter | I'm trying to remove my 'wild claims' ;) |
| 06:44.27 | bleeter | or at least reword them so they don't appear quite so wild hehe |
| 06:45.16 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: still no full resolution samples 8-( |
| 06:45.24 | Thunder_Child | Thunder_Child, yes |
| 06:45.27 | Thunder_Child | .. |
| 06:45.27 | Thunder_Child | wow |
| 06:45.31 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, yes |
| 06:46.16 | Thunder_Child | it's not a DSLR |
| 06:46.55 | Thunder_Child | quite possible the 1280 is max http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/burstshots/1000430254?viewSize=thumb1280x1280 |
| 06:47.11 | Iriel | Not according to the specs I saw yesterday |
| 06:48.05 | Thunder_Child | ah, yes, your correct |
| 06:48.10 | Iriel | Ah, there we go, 1920 x 1200 is the supposed full frame for 60fps, with a 2816 x 2112 top size |
| 06:48.12 | Thunder_Child | http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08010601casiof1.asp#specs |
| 06:48.21 | Iriel | but I have to say the 1280 sized ones are pretty crisp |
| 06:48.33 | Thunder_Child | for 60 in a sec it's not bad at all |
| 06:48.37 | Thunder_Child | for the price |
| 06:49.56 | Thunder_Child | heh, shutter speed goes to 1/40000 |
| 06:49.58 | Thunder_Child | sec |
| 06:51.01 | Iriel | Sleep time for me!! gnight all. |
| 06:51.07 | cogwheel | nn |
| 06:51.10 | Thunder_Child | night Iriel |
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| 06:54.46 | reqol | what does inserting a frame into the UISpecialFrames table do, exactly? |
| 06:54.55 | reqol | I noticed it lets you escape-hide the frame |
| 06:56.12 | cogwheel | grep -R UISpecialFrames FrameXML ;) |
| 06:56.22 | bleeter | nn Iriel |
| 06:56.25 | bleeter | damn, he logged |
| 06:57.43 | reqol | cogwheel: ;_; |
| 06:57.56 | cogwheel | reqol: i don't know the answer but rather than looking myself i can tell you where to start looking... It should be used in one of the UIsomething.lua files in the FrameXML folder |
| 06:58.03 | cogwheel | ~framexml |
| 06:58.04 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 06:58.09 | reqol | I have it, thanks. |
| 06:58.11 | reqol | i'll take a look |
| 06:58.26 | cogwheel | perhaps UIParent |
| 07:01.17 | reqol | I see the table and then a CloseSpecialWindows() function apparently used for tainted windows |
| 07:04.43 | bleeter | cogwheel: ah, I don't think I can edit this much more without going crosseyed. If it appears as though I'm rambling in points, it's 'coz I am eager to get back ingame before shutdown ;) |
| 07:04.48 | bleeter | so please go easy on me ;) |
| 07:04.54 | cogwheel | :P |
| 07:05.33 | reqol | how long til the shutdown |
| 07:06.08 | reqol | oh, a good 4 hours. hmm |
| 07:06.11 | reqol | that gives me plenty of time |
| 07:06.37 | bleeter | oh, hey, yeah.. it's summertime... I was all set for 8PM shutdown again.. weee :) |
| 07:06.59 | bleeter | cogwheel: where? |
| 07:07.36 | cogwheel | if i tell you are you going to post an IRC log of what i just said? |
| 07:07.38 | cogwheel | :P |
| 07:07.41 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773503575&sid=1 |
| 07:07.54 | bleeter | cogwheel: if you ask me not to, I shan't |
| 07:08.11 | cogwheel | well... yeah... |
| 07:08.35 | cogwheel | would kinda go against the spirit of the agreement i signed... |
| 07:09.26 | reqol | how do you guys usually work on an addon? get some of the basic lua functionality down first or what? |
| 07:10.42 | bleeter | cogwheel: matter of interest, does the agreement allow you to mention publically which bits of your soul you sold down the river? :P |
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| 07:12.51 | cogwheel | it's pretty standard |
| 07:13.27 | cogwheel | don't bitch people out, don't favor guilds/teams/etc |
| 07:13.49 | cogwheel | (in so many words :P ) |
| 07:13.55 | reqol | you know how in XMLspy it puts your reticule in between the quotations, without using the right arrow key is there anyway to jump outside of it once you're done inputting a value? |
| 07:14.19 | Thunder_Child | heh, nightlilly could be lunessa |
| 07:14.26 | Thunder_Child | the guild matches |
| 07:15.13 | bleeter | cogwheel: if you can say that much, the NDA can't be that tight ;) ... and I think I've said all I'm gunna say on the password thread now. Feel free to point and laugh in response ;) |
| 07:15.56 | bleeter | that whilst writing my last post I conceptually designed a rather nasty distributed brute force cracker scares me :/ |
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| 07:29.53 | Thunder_Child | anyone happen to know some big mukety muck at warner bros.? |
| 07:31.09 | reqol | is there anyway to smooth the corners of a frame's backdrop? |
| 07:31.47 | wereHamster | use a round backdrop texture |
| 07:32.19 | reqol | yeah I guess I'll have to edit this one |
| 07:32.28 | reqol | not really a big deal or anything. thanks :D |
| 07:32.28 | wereHamster | UI-Tooltip-Border |
| 07:32.42 | reqol | that's actually the border I'm using ...:o |
| 07:33.12 | wereHamster | that's the backdrop that blizzard uses. isn't that round enough? |
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| 07:33.23 | reqol | the backdrop juts out in the corners |
| 07:33.33 | reqol | I'll try adjusting the insets a bit more, see if I can't hide them |
| 07:33.39 | wereHamster | set intets? |
| 07:34.06 | reqol | well 11 hid them but left a gap between the frame and the border, and 5 makes them jut out. if there is a magic number, it's in between there :D |
| 07:34.28 | wereHamster | just look at the blizzard code, whice SetBackdrop() values they use |
| 07:34.42 | wereHamster | insets/tilesize etc |
| 07:35.05 | wereHamster | ~wdn |
| 07:35.06 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 07:37.50 | wereHamster | game tooltip uses tile/edge size=15 and insets=5 |
| 07:39.49 | wereHamster | what's a 'blue' server? -- All other players are blue (the usual state on the "blue" server) |
| 07:41.14 | reqol | pve? |
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| 07:45.11 | _Chloe | yeah that would be a pve server |
| 07:45.25 | bleeter | omg |
| 07:45.34 | bleeter | check out the svn externals on this: http://fish.wowace.com/changelog/WowAce/trunk/SEasyRotation |
| 07:49.29 | wereHamster | what's unusual? |
| 07:49.57 | bleeter | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace2/AceLibrary/ libs\AceOO-2.0 |
| 07:49.57 | bleeter | backslash wth?! |
| 07:49.59 | wereHamster | windows? |
| 07:50.33 | Esamynn | I have a better question, why the hell are all the externals on the base directory instead of on the libs directory? |
| 07:50.43 | bleeter | that too |
| 07:50.57 | Esamynn | none of this surprises me however |
| 07:50.59 | bleeter | I'm just stunned that I have folders libs\Aceblah now |
| 07:51.09 | bleeter | *folders named "libs\Aceblah" |
| 07:51.12 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 07:52.04 | wereHamster | itunes/ipod replaces slashes with - ':' in its internal database :) |
| 07:52.26 | bleeter | from memory, mac's internal directory structure uses : for folders |
| 07:52.30 | bleeter | or at least, historically did |
| 07:52.37 | bleeter | *folder seperation |
| 07:52.39 | wereHamster | interesting :) |
| 07:52.40 | bleeter | gah, I totally fail |
| 07:53.25 | bleeter | yeah, I seem to recall timestamping files in OS8 or OS9 being.. 'fun' |
| 07:55.44 | bleeter | anyways, I'm off.. toodles! :) |
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| 08:38.58 | Maldivia | hmm... so is it 2.3.2 patch time today, or? |
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| 08:40.04 | cladhaire | oh, is today tuesday |
| 08:40.45 | _Chloe | yeppers |
| 08:41.15 | cladhaire | gah then i have to be careful |
| 08:41.19 | cladhaire | and not log into U.S. |
| 08:41.22 | cladhaire | or I won't be able to play E.U. |
| 08:46.32 | Esamynn | huh, how come? |
| 08:46.44 | cladhaire | because EU won't patch until tomorrow |
| 08:46.53 | cladhaire | can't login with different patch levels |
| 08:47.01 | Esamynn | oh, you're using the same client |
| 08:47.05 | cladhaire | aye |
| 08:47.27 | cladhaire | cause i'm on a laptop, so 8.5GB per installation ends up being quite a chunk! |
| 08:47.36 | Esamynn | heh |
| 08:48.49 | cladhaire | I'm extremely glad I'm not in the U.S. right now |
| 08:48.53 | cladhaire | and won't be back until at least 2012 |
| 08:50.45 | Esamynn | how come? |
| 08:51.16 | cladhaire | I honestly have a feeling that America is still to racist to elect a black president, and with Edwards and Clinton so far behind him in the overall polls, that seems to open the way for the republican leader, who goes against pretty much everything I believe in. |
| 08:51.45 | cladhaire | There are other Republican candidates that I agree with on most of the issues (not Ron Paul), but Huckabee isn't one of them |
| 08:52.19 | cladhaire | and by the time I'm even ready to come back to the states, the next president's tenure will be close to over |
| 08:52.25 | cladhaire | or up for re-election |
| 08:53.22 | Maldivia | personally, I can't see how anyone can supoprt Huckabee, he has some very extreme viewpoints on some areas, imho |
| 08:53.35 | cladhaire | Yeah, I have NO idea how's he's leading as much as he is |
| 08:53.40 | fridg | BUT HES GOT CHUCK NORRIS?! |
| 08:53.40 | cladhaire | he's very divisive |
| 08:53.48 | fridg | >_> |
| 08:55.15 | krka | divisive, decisive, what's the difference? |
| 08:55.18 | Maldivia | cladhaire: you say American is still to racist to elect a black president? But are America still to sexist to elect a female president? |
| 08:55.38 | krka | america atleast isn't brainist! |
| 08:55.49 | cladhaire | Maldivia: I think America would be more likely to elect a woman than they would a black man, yes. I don't happen to agree with this, but that's the overall feeling that I get. |
| 08:56.12 | Corrodias | so, with wowaceupdater, after you tell it to ignore an addon, how do you undo that action? |
| 08:56.17 | cladhaire | But I think Edwards has falled behind as well, and Obama is riding this wave of support, without any real ideas or plans. |
| 08:56.19 | cladhaire | Corrodias: #wowace |
| 08:56.34 | cladhaire | Unless someone here can field the question for you, I certainly can't |
| 08:56.35 | cladhaire | :P |
| 08:57.17 | cladhaire | I'm afraid of the democratic candidate being unelectable for whatever reason, and giving the republicans leader a chance to waltz in, depending on party nominations |
| 08:57.23 | Maldivia | cladhaire: another question is, how much did Clinton's emotional "outburst" yesterday, hurt her campaign |
| 08:57.49 | cladhaire | Maldivia: I think people are making too big of a deal out of it, *shrug* |
| 08:58.07 | cladhaire | Anyone who doesn't think the campaign trail is extremely difficult and personally trying, is lying to themselves :P |
| 08:58.12 | fridg | cladhaire, i agree completely, but my poly-sci friends kee[ telling me im wrong |
| 08:58.22 | cladhaire | fridg: on what point? |
| 08:58.22 | fridg | that americans would vote for a black/female president |
| 08:58.31 | fridg | <cladhaire> I'm afraid of the democratic candidate being unelectable for whatever reason, and giving the republicans leader a chance to waltz in, depending on party nominations |
| 08:58.48 | cladhaire | But I suppose I'd just throw my weight behind Bloomburg, anyway :P |
| 08:58.52 | Corrodias | oh well, thanks anyway |
| 08:59.04 | fridg | i'd vote for clinton for a 3rd term if i could :( |
| 08:59.08 | cladhaire | fridg: I think if Obama has enough to get elected, it'll almost exclusively be from America's youth |
| 08:59.10 | fridg | bring bill back |
| 08:59.16 | fridg | yeah |
| 08:59.18 | cladhaire | fridg: true dat |
| 08:59.26 | fridg | as much as i like him, i really do think hes too young |
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| 08:59.42 | cladhaire | fridg: and I dont' know if the "rock the vote" crowd will be able to mobilize as much as necessary |
| 08:59.47 | fridg | lol yeah |
| 08:59.51 | cladhaire | I don't like what he has to say, and I think most of its political posturing |
| 08:59.59 | cladhaire | they failed to elect Gore |
| 09:00.16 | cladhaire | and Bush is almost as divisive a Huckabee is |
| 09:00.41 | fridg | divisive? |
| 09:00.47 | fridg | decisive? |
| 09:00.54 | cladhaire | no, that's not what i'm saying. |
| 09:01.03 | cladhaire | ~dict divisive |
| 09:01.21 | cladhaire | creating dissension or discord. |
| 09:01.40 | cladhaire | they have the ability to really split a group of people based on extremely sensitive issues |
| 09:01.50 | cladhaire | having absurdly strong viewpoints, and pushing them |
| 09:01.58 | cladhaire | about things that shouldn't be as relevant |
| 09:02.07 | fridg | i saw a rally against 'hillarys holocaust' today |
| 09:02.15 | cladhaire | lol wut? |
| 09:02.38 | fridg | showing post 3 month abortion pictures of fetuses (fetii?) |
| 09:02.48 | fridg | i hate livin in the south :( |
| 09:02.48 | cladhaire | oh, they did the same in NH for Obama |
| 09:03.01 | cladhaire | saying the change he represents is the change of dead fetuses |
| 09:03.45 | cladhaire | I don't know that I can move back to the states under a president who will continue to try and strip my rights as a human being, is the main point. |
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| 09:05.14 | cladhaire | Its odd, the most conservative party in all of England.. won't really consider LEGISLATION that does something like outlaw gay marriage. Being gay doesn't matter to anyone here. |
| 09:05.38 | cladhaire | in the states, its reason enough for me to be discriminated against actively, and acts as constant reassurance about how deviant and un-human I am. |
| 09:06.05 | fridg | yeah |
| 09:06.11 | fridg | the us has a lot of things going for it |
| 09:06.20 | cladhaire | does it? |
| 09:06.38 | fridg | abortion, gay rights, and war on iraq are not part of them |
| 09:06.47 | fridg | well abortion rights* |
| 09:07.05 | fridg | aight i'd love to stay up and chat, but i srsly gatta be up in like 3.5 hours >_< |
| 09:07.11 | fridg | first day of classes yay |
| 09:07.12 | cladhaire | Its becoming more and more difficult to see what things the us does have going for it, in comparison with europe |
| 09:07.16 | cladhaire | ooh, have fun then! |
| 09:07.28 | fridg | england was too dirty for me |
| 09:07.46 | cladhaire | I haven't found that at all, heh |
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| 09:08.08 | fridg | not in the don't say pussy sense, but more in the i just stepped in shit and there aren't trashcans on the street sense |
| 09:08.24 | fridg | well i guess just london |
| 09:08.28 | Shirik|zZz | cladhaire: For the record, I don't understand why half of america hates things like abortion or homosexuality. Let the people have a fricking choice. "Land of the free" my ass. |
| 09:08.36 | fridg | but i suppose all big citys are like that |
| 09:08.38 | cladhaire | Shirik|zZz: indeed, that's whats frustrating |
| 09:08.40 | Shirik|zZz | So at least I'm on your side :) |
| 09:08.43 | cladhaire | fridg: London ~= the rest of England :P |
| 09:09.06 | Shirik | besides from what I can tell, hillary isn't getting elected |
| 09:09.12 | fridg | london = England when its 90% of what you see when you travel there xD |
| 09:09.15 | cladhaire | Its just sick that I'm not a citizen here, and I feel like I have more rights, in that regard. I can get a civil partnership here. |
| 09:09.21 | cladhaire | fridg: well I live here, so its not for me! |
| 09:09.58 | cladhaire | Shirik: who do you think will get the dem nomination? |
| 09:10.04 | fridg | i don't think civil partnership laws will even go thru here, much less marriage |
| 09:10.08 | fridg | ok srsly sleep though |
| 09:10.12 | cladhaire | night fridg |
| 09:10.16 | Shirik | right now in all honesty it looks like Obama, and not just because of Iowa |
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| 09:10.27 | cladhaire | Do you think he can be elected in the national election? |
| 09:10.28 | Shirik | the problem with that is there are a lot of people in the south whom will never vote for him |
| 09:10.36 | Shirik | so he'll have it rough in the election |
| 09:10.41 | cladhaire | south, and old people |
| 09:10.58 | cladhaire | the republicans could honestly clean up if the right person gets nominated |
| 09:11.00 | Shirik | aye |
| 09:11.10 | cladhaire | and I don't know that I'd be opposed to that |
| 09:11.25 | cladhaire | tho Mitt Romney and Huckabee aren't that candidate :P |
| 09:12.04 | Shirik | I don't understand the rep candidates enough |
| 09:12.08 | Shirik | I don't follow that party really |
| 09:12.11 | Shirik | bad idea though |
| 09:13.36 | cladhaire | (offensive generalizations): Romney is a Mormon, but believes his religion has no place in government (this i can get behind), but his ideas are pretty shakey. Huckabee is pretty much a religious zealot who's trying to ride the anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-everything campaign (imo) |
| 09:14.13 | cladhaire | Rudy is campaigning for President of 9/11 (so the blogosphere says) McCain was tortured, so he knows what torture is (but people don't think he'll bring enough change to the country) |
| 09:14.32 | cladhaire | Fred Thompson has some of the more conservative ideals overall, and hasn't invoked Reagan as much as the rest :P |
| 09:14.44 | cladhaire | MIKE GRAVEL FTW |
| 09:15.09 | Shirik | "There are 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 combinations in a MD5 hash, which doesn't support upper case either .. just make your password longer!" |
| 09:15.11 | Shirik | wtf is that guy smoking |
| 09:15.13 | cladhaire | On Huckabee: During his 10½ years as governor of Arkansas, he was regarded as a different brand of Republican — a governor with an idiosyncratic agenda that was sometimes difficult to categorize, but always shaped by his religious beliefs. |
| 09:15.18 | Shirik | People need to not talk if they don't know wtf they're talking about |
| 09:15.45 | Corrodias | i sure wouldn't know anything |
| 09:16.07 | Kalroth | MD5 doesn't support uppercase? :p |
| 09:16.08 | Maldivia | Shirik: hehe... and yey you cont... ehh, nevermind :9 |
| 09:17.50 | Maldivia | but apparently someone (whomever you quoted) fail to understand the basic concepts of hashes |
| 09:18.21 | cladhaire | damn, Wikipedia is unbiased in this regards, so I can't give you real descriptions of the candidates from there |
| 09:18.23 | cladhaire | its all |
| 09:18.27 | cladhaire | "biographical" information |
| 09:18.29 | cladhaire | what fun is that?! |
| 09:19.19 | Maldivia | wiki will never give you anything fun... if there's anthing biased there, it's spout a riot, and the page will be rewritten by 100 angry zealots, and then deleted |
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| 09:20.02 | cladhaire | i know, such a flawed system :P |
| 09:20.08 | Shirik | Lol ok |
| 09:20.20 | Shirik | "Rudy is campaigning for President of 9/11" which pisses me off |
| 09:20.25 | cladhaire | he's not really |
| 09:20.30 | cladhaire | but thats what everyone says |
| 09:20.37 | cladhaire | and some of his answers seem like he is, at times |
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| 09:20.44 | Shirik | "McCain...[won't] bring enough change to the country" lol? A conservative not bringing change? No way! |
| 09:21.04 | Shirik | Wait hang on, isn't McCain senator of VA? |
| 09:21.13 | cladhaire | Shirik: not sure what state |
| 09:21.18 | Shirik | I think he's my senator |
| 09:21.25 | Maldivia | bringing change... isn't that Obama's mantra? |
| 09:21.42 | cladhaire | yes |
| 09:21.44 | Shirik | no Arizona |
| 09:21.46 | Shirik | hm |
| 09:21.55 | cladhaire | its every democrats mantra |
| 09:22.06 | cladhaire | obama just tells the kids that THEY are the change, he's just their agent for change |
| 09:22.29 | cladhaire | Hilary says that she has a plan for what she'll do on day one.. no getting acclimated.. just get in and start working (she's the "experienced" candidate) |
| 09:22.36 | cladhaire | Edwards is just an overall nice guy :P |
| 09:22.49 | Shirik | Hillary's #1 problem is that she supports the war |
| 09:22.56 | Shirik | And Democrats do not like that |
| 09:22.59 | cladhaire | she doesn't |
| 09:23.03 | cladhaire | she voted for it initially |
| 09:23.07 | Shirik | ah yeah yeah |
| 09:23.10 | cladhaire | but she doesn't support the continued war in iraq |
| 09:23.13 | Shirik | but see that kinda stuff sticks out :P |
| 09:23.19 | cladhaire | she wasn't the only one |
| 09:23.24 | Shirik | and she will get ripped to shreds over it |
| 09:23.27 | Shirik | (and is) |
| 09:23.34 | cladhaire | Obama was the "ONLY CANDIDATE WHO HAD THE STRENGTH AND FORTITUDE TO NOT VOTE FOR THE WA" |
| 09:23.42 | cladhaire | so no, that hasn't been a focused point against her in the campaign |
| 09:23.43 | Shirik | THE WA! |
| 09:23.52 | cladhaire | its been a consistent attack from Obama on all the other candidates |
| 09:24.14 | Shirik | hm, I haven't seen it much on any others |
| 09:24.22 | Shirik | but maybe that's because only hillary and obama have stood out much to me so far |
| 09:24.28 | cladhaire | I've watched quite a bit, as a frustrated spectator |
| 09:24.48 | cladhaire | Former Governor Mike Huckabee (R-Arkansas) - supports “passage of a federal Constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman.†|
| 09:24.57 | cladhaire | US Senator John McCain (R-Arizona) - personally opposes same-sex marriage, but thinks it’s an issue for states to decide. |
| 09:25.07 | cladhaire | Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-Massachusetts) - “As a candidate for governor in Massachusetts, Romney called on the Republican Party to provide ‘more support’ for the gay and lesbian community. Since beginning his White House bid, Romney has toughened his rhetoric on civil unions and same-sex marriage, both of which he now opposes. |
| 09:25.14 | cladhaire | yeah things are certainly looking up for me :P |
| 09:25.26 | batrick | marriage shouldn't be something the government has anything to do with anyway |
| 09:25.34 | Shirik | well see here's the issue |
| 09:25.39 | Shirik | marriage results in tax breaks |
| 09:25.50 | Shirik | that's why they get involved |
| 09:26.11 | batrick | these "civil unions" should be extended to gay people, tax breaks and all |
| 09:26.17 | cladhaire | I don't use the issue of civil unions/parnerships/marriage to for my opinions of the candidates, but it says a hell of a lot, when some of the candidates want to take away rights from 10% of their population. |
| 09:26.28 | batrick | i dislike hwo the terms are being merged though |
| 09:26.50 | cladhaire | the government never should have been involved in marriage, and the tax/rights system never should have been based off the religious institution. |
| 09:27.12 | cladhaire | http://www.boystowners.com/index.php/2007/04/25/08-presidential-candidate-stances-on-gay-issues-or-the-issue-that-dare-not-speak-its-name/ |
| 09:27.31 | cladhaire | "the issue that must not be named" |
| 09:27.37 | cladhaire | since HIlary and Obama both avoid the issue like crazy |
| 09:28.10 | cladhaire | _why does it even matter, America_ |
| 09:28.13 | cladhaire | oh well |
| 09:28.14 | cladhaire | shower time |
| 09:28.20 | cladhaire | i still feel like shiznat |
| 09:28.24 | cladhaire | but have some errands to run |
| 09:28.47 | cladhaire | then edit Chapters 1,5,6,7 |
| 09:31.06 | cladhaire | I couldn't agree more here: I watch the same debates, speeches and interviews, and I ask myself what am I missing? Inspirational does not come to mind when I watch Obama. To compare him to John Kennedy or MLK Jr. is just ridiculous. I am fearful that if he wins the nomination he will bring the Democrats down. I think we are in for another Republican president. |
| 09:31.09 | cladhaire | and with that, I'm done :P |
| 09:33.45 | reqol | are there any known bugs with string.split? |
| 09:33.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:33.56 | Shirik | if you use it wrong it won't work |
| 09:34.03 | reqol | that actually helps |
| 09:34.06 | reqol | now I need to know where I've gone wrong |
| 09:34.15 | Shirik | what are you trying to do? |
| 09:34.23 | reqol | I generally don't assume something is wrong (besides my own code) but in this case I'm using it the same way I've used it in the past and it's giving me a nil error |
| 09:34.42 | batrick | i sense a inc pastey |
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| 09:34.55 | batrick | gogo |
| 09:34.56 | reqol | no, no incoming pastey |
| 09:35.00 | reqol | I'm done |
| 09:35.01 | batrick | ahhh :( |
| 09:35.02 | reqol | I need sleep |
| 09:35.07 | Shirik | =( |
| 09:35.11 | reqol | well, that's not my problem. |
| 09:35.13 | reqol | it was just a stupid error |
| 09:35.18 | batrick | u had me and shirik excited at nil error |
| 09:35.24 | batrick | amirite? |
| 09:35.25 | reqol | () at the end of my slash command handler |
| 09:35.30 | reqol | ;_; |
| 09:35.40 | cladhaire | lua> string.split(",", "a,b,c,d,e,f") |
| 09:35.40 | lua_bot | cladhaire: a, b, c, d, e, f, |
| 09:35.44 | cladhaire | that's how string.split works :p |
| 09:35.45 | Shirik | batrick: yes |
| 09:35.50 | cladhaire | this thread, is full of win: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773252290&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 09:36.18 | cladhaire | The confusing part is where they give you amnesia to make you forget all you've learned so that they can teach you everything, and charge you for it, all over again. Picture your class trainer dangling a pocket watch from a string, side to side... "you're getting sleepy, very sleepy"... That will be 20 dollars. |
| 09:36.20 | reqol | cladhaire: I'm inclined to agree |
| 09:36.31 | cladhaire | Druid trainer: You know how you're normally a NE.. now I'm gonna teach how to be a ****ing BEAR |
| 09:36.31 | cladhaire | Druid: Lolwut? |
| 09:36.37 | Shirik | rofl Mage Trainer: So, you've been using that fireball for a while... but did you consider... a BIGGER fireball? Possibly with more fire? Huh? Pretty clever huh. |
| 09:36.47 | cladhaire | It always bothered me learning level 70 skills from a level 40. Holding back eh buddy? Trainers are jerks. |
| 09:36.56 | reqol | SlashCmdList["myAddon"] myHandler(); is what it was set to. had to remove the () because myHandler does not return a function |
| 09:37.13 | cladhaire | spam |
| 09:37.13 | cladhaire | Rogue Trainer: "Here's Sinister Strike Rank 2. It involves twisting the blade as you connect with your target's torso, causing greater injury than before." |
| 09:37.13 | cladhaire | Rogue: "What if I twist the blade... and use more force when stabbing?" |
| 09:37.14 | cladhaire | Rogue Trainer: "That's Rank 3, you can't do that yet." |
| 09:37.14 | cladhaire | Rogue: "Sure I can, see? Just gotta move my arm a little faster." |
| 09:37.15 | cladhaire | Rogue Trainer: "Stop that." |
| 09:37.17 | cladhaire | Rogue: "Hey, I bet I could get better results with my Backstab and Ambush using these same techniques." |
| 09:37.19 | cladhaire | Rogue Trainer: "No, you can't do that until I tell you about it." |
| 09:37.21 | cladhaire | Rogue: "Dude, is this all there is? Just... you know, stabbing people harder?" |
| 09:37.23 | cladhaire | Rogue Trainer: "It's far more complex than that. You have to be at the right level to have the appropriate Strength and Agility in order to attack with the required amount of force." |
| 09:37.26 | cladhaire | Rogue: "So... If I just always attack with the most force, won't I always be using the highest Rank of my attacks?" |
| 09:37.29 | cladhaire | Rogue Trainer: "You're going to have to leave before I contact a GM." |
| 09:37.29 | batrick | DEAR GOD |
| 09:37.31 | cladhaire | YEAH I DID IT! |
| 09:37.47 | batrick | +b urself pls kthx |
| 09:37.53 | reqol | lol |
| 09:38.03 | kergoth | lol |
| 09:38.32 | reqol | generally how many syntax errors do you guys have in freshly written code |
| 09:38.36 | reqol | relative to the size of the code, that is |
| 09:38.43 | Shirik | reqol: Depends on how long/tired |
| 09:38.45 | reqol | sometimes I befuddle myself with my ability to forget parenthesis |
| 09:38.48 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Shirik!n=cladhair@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (+b your ass) |
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| 09:38.54 | batrick | has a lot to do with exp with the language |
| 09:38.55 | cladhaire | LOLWUT? |
| 09:38.55 | Shirik | I have managed to get 700 errors in C++ code before |
| 09:39.01 | Shirik | cladhaire: I told you I'm immune /flex |
| 09:39.04 | batrick | i think i had one syntax error in 300 lines of C code |
| 09:39.11 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+b shirik!*@*] by cladhaire |
| 09:39.11 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Shirik!n=cladhair@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (immune my ass) |
| 09:39.33 | reqol | 21 lines of code and I had 2 errors |
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| 09:39.37 | Kimina | qq |
| 09:39.42 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b shirik!*@*] by cladhaire |
| 09:39.44 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+b Kimina!*@*] by cladhaire |
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| 09:39.47 | reqol | actually, one |
| 09:39.49 | reqol | I lost an end somewhere |
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| 09:39.57 | batrick | complexity matters too |
| 09:39.58 | reqol | my editor doesn't display chunks for lua, though |
| 09:39.59 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b kimina!*@*] by cladhaire |
| 09:40.01 | batrick | function pointers lolz! |
| 09:40.03 | reqol | so it's difficult to track them all down sometimes |
| 09:40.19 | batrick | use gvim |
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| 09:40.24 | cladhaire | Blind: You see that sand down there on the floor? Today I'm going to show you how to throw it in someone's eyes! |
| 09:40.35 | batrick | !g gvim |
| 09:40.36 | batbot | batrick: welcome home : vim online <http://www.vim.org/> |
| 09:40.40 | batrick | the hell |
| 09:40.49 | batrick | wait ya that's right |
| 09:41.03 | reqol | I was going to ask you a plethora of questions when I thought to myself |
| 09:41.14 | reqol | "instead of bothering him with it, why don't I just download it and see for myself?" |
| 09:41.33 | cladhaire | i have issues getting ctags to work properly with gvim |
| 09:41.35 | cladhaire | i should play more. |
| 09:41.37 | batrick | real programmers use vim |
| 09:41.42 | Shirik | IDK, pally trainers seem very self less. "Ok, I'm going to teach you the move divine intervention, watch closely 'cus I can only do it once." |
| 09:41.43 | reqol | I use notepad ++ |
| 09:41.44 | Shirik | best ever. |
| 09:41.46 | reqol | and xmlspy |
| 09:41.48 | cladhaire | Shirik: indeed |
| 09:42.02 | batrick | that was pretty good |
| 09:42.32 | cladhaire | i have to say |
| 09:42.36 | cladhaire | the rogue ones are pretty funny |
| 09:42.36 | cladhaire | http://pastey.net/80312 |
| 09:43.08 | cladhaire | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 09:43.09 | cladhaire | Aimed shot: Ok, now this time, don't close your eyes when you shoot. |
| 09:43.11 | cladhaire | that is the win. |
| 09:43.13 | cladhaire | plain and simple. |
| 09:43.45 | cladhaire | Druid Trainer: You know the moon? |
| 09:43.45 | cladhaire | Druid: Yeah the moon f#%^ing rocks. |
| 09:43.45 | cladhaire | Druid Trainer: Would it be sick of fire shot out of it. |
| 09:43.45 | cladhaire | Druid: F$%^ yeah. |
| 09:44.07 | cladhaire | okay |
| 09:44.08 | cladhaire | i should stop |
| 09:44.39 | cladhaire | showertime |
| 09:44.53 | cladhaire | i can't wait to move into my new house |
| 09:44.59 | cladhaire | it has this thing called "water pressure" |
| 09:45.14 | Maldivia | showertime... ahh, you just learned volley ? |
| 09:45.34 | Lonny | rofl :P |
| 09:45.44 | cladhaire | haha |
| 09:46.07 | batrick | reqol: there are really good vim tutorials out there don't get intimidated, it let's you do things you've only dreamed of in notepad |
| 09:46.39 | reqol | I take it it's highly customizable then |
| 09:46.59 | Maldivia | it's... improved! :) |
| 09:47.22 | batrick | uh, ya it is |
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| 09:47.58 | reqol | gvim 7.1 gvim easy gvim read only?...WHY? |
| 09:47.59 | reqol | ;_: |
| 09:48.06 | kergoth | to call vim highly customizable would be a huge understatement |
| 09:48.23 | Lonny | Hmm why is it better than Notepad++ ? |
| 09:48.51 | batrick | +b Lonny pls |
| 09:49.01 | Lonny | lol |
| 09:49.21 | batrick | let experience answer the question for u, go download it! |
| 09:49.23 | Lonny | I'm serious I never used it and well I would like to know why is it better ? :P |
| 09:50.05 | Maldivia | Lonny: well, depending what you're going to use it for, n++ might be better suited for you :9 |
| 09:50.47 | batrick | i dunno how many times i've tried to exit insert mode in microsoft word only to curse loudly |
| 09:51.10 | Lonny | Well I do use notepad++ for small things not programming or anything as I do use VS 2005, 2008 for programming, that's why I asked :P |
| 09:51.45 | batrick | i've never used n++ so i don't know how to differentiate the two for you Lonny |
| 09:51.56 | batrick | I just know that vim will have many more features |
| 09:52.37 | Lonny | I'll check it out then, thank you :D |
| 09:52.43 | batrick | yw |
| 09:54.01 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773252290&sid=1&pageNo=4#63 |
| 09:54.04 | batrick | is pretty good |
| 09:55.37 | Corrodias | i like this, our favorite glitches: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773323069 |
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| 10:00.51 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773252290&sid=1&pageNo=4#63#72 |
| 10:04.10 | Corrodias | man, this reminds me of the "alternate universe resurrection" bug. fascinating. i think it was that you'd get resurrected, but you wouldn't be able to see any of the people around you. you had to run away and come back, if i recall. that along with invisible enemies and other such nonsense we used to have on my realm a couple of years ago |
| 10:05.07 | reqol | are there many plugins for vim? |
| 10:07.11 | cladhaire | Don't tase me bro! |
| 10:07.11 | cladhaire | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwwX0lYbQZE |
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| 10:13.44 | Duman | plugins? |
| 10:13.55 | Duman | for syntax highlighting? |
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| 10:22.18 | Duman | <01:48AM Lonny> Hmm why is it better than Notepad++ ? |
| 10:22.19 | Duman | LOL |
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| 10:29.04 | mewzy | I am looking for someone experienced with making add ons, pls pm me to hear my ideas |
| 10:32.35 | Shirik | you will get almost zero support over PMs |
| 10:32.46 | Shirik | In fact some people will /ignore you for asking that way |
| 10:33.05 | Shirik | This community is open, if you have a question then everyone can benefit from learning from the answer |
| 10:36.53 | Lonny | Duman Notepad++ supports highlighting and plugins as well as VIM |
| 10:37.41 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 10:37.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge foxlit (n=foxlit@wnn73202.wireless.dtu.dk) |
| 10:44.21 | batrick | zzz |
| 10:44.27 | batrick | how'd that robot thing go shirik |
| 10:44.34 | Shirik | not until april |
| 10:44.40 | Shirik | we still have a lot of work to do :P |
| 10:44.44 | batrick | heh |
| 10:45.11 | Shirik | our digital compass just came in though |
| 10:45.17 | Shirik | that's going to fix a lot of our problems |
| 10:45.22 | batrick | lol |
| 10:45.26 | Shirik | but now I have to write the assembly to read it >.> |
| 10:45.27 | batrick | you shoulda made one! |
| 10:45.43 | Shirik | Nah I don't think I could have made it very accurate >< |
| 10:45.50 | Shirik | this one's accurate to 0.1 deg |
| 10:46.00 | batrick | it's just an overglorified multimeter |
| 10:46.13 | batrick | ammeter** |
| 10:46.48 | Shirik | <--- hasn't taken circuits I yet! |
| 10:46.51 | Shirik | Though I know enough about them |
| 10:49.33 | batrick | don't need to take circuits really |
| 10:50.08 | batrick | just know that a magnetic field (the earth's) will induce a current on a wire (when rotated) |
| 10:50.27 | batrick | the magnitude of the current tells you everything u need to know ;D |
| 10:51.56 | Shirik | why would it induce current it's not changing? |
| 10:51.58 | Shirik | oh when rotated |
| 11:02.00 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 11:02.13 | _Chloe | yay servers down /cry |
| 11:03.05 | batrick | woot |
| 11:03.19 | mewzy | I am looking for someone experienced with making add ons, pls pm me to hear my ideas |
| 11:03.44 | batrick | mewzy, you've already been told; tell your ideas here, if someone is interested thye'll let you know |
| 11:03.54 | batrick | or better yet, post on one of the many addon forums |
| 11:04.03 | mewzy | maybe i dont wanna do that |
| 11:04.17 | batrick | maybe we don't want to hear your pls pm me spam |
| 11:04.35 | mewzy | maybe you have a problem and not me? |
| 11:04.40 | mewzy | and its not a spam |
| 11:04.48 | batrick | yes, you're flooding my terminal screen now get lost |
| 11:04.49 | mewzy | i posted the last mssg 30m ago |
| 11:05.10 | mewzy | since your just bored and rude go back in your own world and leave me alone |
| 11:05.22 | mewzy | lol |
| 11:05.31 | mewzy | i am flooding your screen by posting 2 mssgs in 1 hr? |
| 11:05.39 | Shirik | mewzy: How long have you used IRC? |
| 11:05.41 | batrick | i forsee further spam |
| 11:05.55 | mewzy | it doesnt matter how long have i used irc |
| 11:06.08 | Shirik | IRC is not about being private and hiding solutions. So if you aren't here to work with the community, get lost. |
| 11:06.10 | batrick | yes it does, your irc etiquette is nonexistant |
| 11:06.13 | mewzy | you 2 idiots just shut up or ignore me if you dont like what i post |
| 11:06.23 | batrick | that's not how it works |
| 11:06.28 | mewzy | o really? |
| 11:06.32 | batrick | ya |
| 11:06.34 | mewzy | and what you gonna do about it |
| 11:06.41 | Shirik | you would be wise not to ask that |
| 11:06.42 | batrick | lol... |
| 11:06.57 | mewzy | pls dont tell me someone with brain like that has any moding powers? |
| 11:07.06 | Shirik | especially since you're on Windows |
| 11:07.08 | batrick | we are doing not only ourselves a favor, but everyone else |
| 11:07.10 | mewzy | if thats true i am out of here right now |
| 11:07.37 | batrick | because when they come back to "catch up" on what's been said, the last thing they want to see is your cries for help ignoring people who are trying to help you |
| 11:07.53 | mewzy | lol |
| 11:08.18 | mewzy | only one crying here is you about 2 mssgs in 1 hour that have nothing to do with spam |
| 11:08.24 | Shirik | what's .hr? |
| 11:08.29 | mewzy | maybe you just dont have a life |
| 11:08.42 | batrick | you're right i sit here all day and talk to e-people |
| 11:08.47 | batrick | you got me all figured out |
| 11:08.51 | mewzy | shut up |
| 11:08.57 | Antiarc | Insulting people is a great way to get them to help you! |
| 11:09.25 | Antiarc | Also, Shirik, you're ugly and I need you to fix this mod I downloaded from a Chinese site. It keeps giving away my password. :( |
| 11:09.31 | Shirik | Croatia |
| 11:09.37 | Shirik | That's a country I don't see often :/ |
| 11:09.52 | mewzy | what is that suppose to mean? |
| 11:10.02 | Shirik | Nothing just a comment |
| 11:10.12 | batrick | it means shirik is gonna smashT ur internetz |
| 11:10.13 | mewzy | ... |
| 11:10.29 | Shirik | But how does .hr become croatia? :/ |
| 11:10.37 | Shirik | or rather how does croatia become .hr |
| 11:10.42 | mewzy | thanks for proving your thinking lvl again batrick, now its time to ignore you and your stupid friend |
| 11:10.49 | Antiarc | Probably not an anglicization of it |
| 11:10.50 | batrick | hahah |
| 11:10.56 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 11:11.04 | Antiarc | cladhaire: ping |
| 11:11.10 | batrick | ^ |
| 11:11.14 | Shirik | I think cladhaire is out |
| 11:11.17 | cladhaire | pong |
| 11:11.21 | Shirik | nm |
| 11:11.22 | batrick | w00t |
| 11:11.28 | Antiarc | cladhaire: Review the last screen or two of chat, if you'd be so kind! |
| 11:11.45 | mewzy | what is your problem? |
| 11:12.08 | mewzy | Am i forced to talk about add ons in open chat here? where are rules that say that? |
| 11:12.33 | batrick | it's not polite to ask for pm's in chat, nor is it polite to harass people in pm's |
| 11:12.33 | Shirik | Just because something isn't written in stone doesn't mean you could at least follow a little bit of courtesy |
| 11:12.48 | mewzy | lol |
| 11:12.56 | cladhaire | mewzy: This is an addon development channel |
| 11:12.59 | cladhaire | if you have a question, post it here |
| 11:13.04 | mewzy | cladhaire |
| 11:13.04 | cladhaire | this is not a singles meet up channel |
| 11:13.13 | cladhaire | we don't care if you like long walks on the beach, or have the best idea for an addon EVAR |
| 11:13.40 | mewzy | i see you have romantic mind |
| 11:13.45 | mewzy | i really dont like romance |
| 11:13.48 | cladhaire | i like laying by the fireplace |
| 11:13.52 | mewzy | all i wanted is to meet someone who makes add ons |
| 11:13.55 | cladhaire | i really don't like your attitude |
| 11:13.57 | mewzy | ok i dont care |
| 11:13.57 | cladhaire | everyone here makes addons |
| 11:14.00 | cladhaire | that's the point of this channel |
| 11:14.00 | batrick | we all make addons |
| 11:14.02 | batrick | my lord |
| 11:14.02 | mewzy | i dont like yours either |
| 11:14.03 | batrick | LOL |
| 11:14.15 | Shirik | batrick: That was kinda scary |
| 11:14.15 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.16 | cladhaire | mewzy: you aren't the one who's here to regulate this channel, I am. |
| 11:14.19 | _Chloe | rofl |
| 11:14.21 | cladhaire | so what you think, doesn't matter |
| 11:14.30 | cladhaire | now, I say again |
| 11:14.31 | mewzy | now you gonna reach your mouse click to raise your low self esteem i guess? |
| 11:14.35 | cladhaire | please post your questions here |
| 11:14.38 | cladhaire | I don't use my mouse, nublet. |
| 11:14.38 | mewzy | dont bother, i am out |
| 11:14.39 | cladhaire | :P |
| 11:14.43 | mewzy | lol |
| 11:14.44 | mewzy | nublet |
| 11:14.44 | batrick | Shirik: u must be tired, or i am, cuz i don't see how that can be scary >.> |
| 11:14.46 | mewzy | now |
| 11:14.53 | mewzy | you really proved your nothing but a lifless fuck |
| 11:14.54 | mewzy | ty |
| 11:14.56 | cladhaire | I thought you were out? |
| 11:14.58 | batrick | LOLOLOL |
| 11:15.01 | batrick | ur so cool |
| 11:15.03 | *** part/#wowi-lounge mewzy (n=mewzy@78-3-49-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 11:15.06 | _Chloe | owned |
| 11:15.06 | Antiarc | IRC at 4 AM is the best thing ever. |
| 11:15.08 | Shirik | you both saying the same things at the same time |
| 11:15.09 | _Chloe | lol |
| 11:15.19 | Shirik | thank you cladhaire :) |
| 11:15.28 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by cladhaire -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.3.x ToC: 20300 | Congrats Slouken on new baby! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773503086&postId=37729048455&sid=1#0 | Happy Birthday Beladona | Cladhaire is a lifless f**k |
| 11:15.33 | Antiarc | rofl |
| 11:15.34 | Shirik | rofl |
| 11:15.36 | _Chloe | omg |
| 11:15.53 | batrick | i thought you mispelled lifeless on accident >.> |
| 11:16.07 | Shirik | it's lifless get it right |
| 11:16.13 | batrick | srsly |
| 11:16.15 | batrick | my bad |
| 11:16.16 | Antiarc | noes, clad'd lifleses. :( |
| 11:16.24 | cladhaire | unfortunately he'll be back |
| 11:16.25 | batrick | lifless(sp?) |
| 11:16.25 | batbot | batrick, lidless, lifeless. |
| 11:16.30 | batrick | maybe lidless |
| 11:16.40 | Antiarc | Maybe next time I'll PM him |
| 11:16.50 | _Chloe | nah |
| 11:16.51 | Antiarc | "I put on my robe and wizard hat" |
| 11:17.00 | batrick | haha |
| 11:17.27 | cladhaire | i am extremely impressed with this addon |
| 11:17.29 | cladhaire | like.. a lot. |
| 11:17.58 | cladhaire | and it has a git repo, so i can avoid curse |
| 11:17.58 | cladhaire | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/9924/ |
| 11:18.00 | Antiarc | which is that? |
| 11:18.31 | Antiarc | It that the one that points arrows to quest objectives? |
| 11:18.43 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 11:18.44 | Antiarc | Ooh, no, traveling salesman for quests. |
| 11:18.49 | Antiarc | That's...pretty hot. |
| 11:19.01 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 11:19.03 | cladhaire | its ridiculous |
| 11:19.12 | cladhaire | tons of data already there |
| 11:19.16 | cladhaire | and it autlo-collects data |
| 11:19.31 | Antiarc | That's pretty impressive |
| 11:19.33 | Antiarc | I may have to try it out |
| 11:19.43 | cladhaire | add LightHeaded in addition, and its really nice |
| 11:19.48 | cladhaire | does it based on whatevers in yoru quest log |
| 11:19.52 | cladhaire | so as you add/remove quests, it updates |
| 11:19.55 | Antiarc | I'll do that |
| 11:20.03 | Antiarc | I've not installed any levelling-helper mods to date |
| 11:20.08 | Antiarc | Mostly because levelling alts is tedious and boring |
| 11:20.15 | [Ammo] | it looks pretty well coded as well |
| 11:20.18 | cladhaire | yeah it is. |
| 11:20.19 | Antiarc | And I tend to prefer to grind dailies on my 70s than do that :/ |
| 11:20.26 | cladhaire | thats what i've been most impressed with |
| 11:20.40 | cladhaire | you can do searches |
| 11:20.48 | cladhaire | and it does basic "sounds like" analysis on your search string |
| 11:20.55 | cladhaire | lots of little things |
| 11:21.25 | Antiarc | That's really cool. |
| 11:22.05 | cladhaire | i'm running tourguide |
| 11:22.10 | cladhaire | and it pretty much runs right alongside it |
| 11:22.18 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 11:22.34 | cladhaire | if you have those specific quests |
| 11:22.40 | cladhaire | btu i prefer to get all quests, and map out my own path |
| 11:22.44 | cladhaire | this certainly helps me do that |
| 11:22.46 | cladhaire | :P |
| 11:23.01 | cladhaire | oh shitbeans |
| 11:23.06 | cladhaire | my hearth is still set to sentinel hill |
| 11:23.13 | cladhaire | at least i can port to moonglade |
| 11:24.19 | cladhaire | here's a good screenshot |
| 11:24.19 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/94cb1b036eb762a3d98ddbcdc72ddecb.png |
| 11:25.08 | [Ammo] | check out SmoothDurability if you like the armored man Clad :) |
| 11:25.22 | cladhaire | HAHAHA |
| 11:25.23 | cladhaire | Lentil soup is an awesomeness so great that it completely offsets its irrelevance to Warcraft. Chop up carrots and celery, and toss them and some lentils in some boiling water. In 20 minutes or so chop up some green onions and spinach and add them as well, along with some tomato paste, and boil it some more. Add a little bit of oil, some pepper, some thyme, and some cumin, a little lemon juice, give it a good stir, and eat |
| 11:25.31 | cladhaire | that's in his addon description on Curse |
| 11:25.36 | Antiarc | Hahaha |
| 11:25.37 | Antiarc | Awesome |
| 11:25.41 | cladhaire | he is win |
| 11:25.45 | [Ammo] | yarr |
| 11:26.01 | Shirik | he also has a SS of it cladhaire :) |
| 11:26.21 | [Ammo] | yup |
| 11:26.21 | cladhaire | haha |
| 11:26.24 | [Ammo] | with the 2 boxes |
| 11:26.25 | [Ammo] | awesome |
| 11:26.29 | cladhaire | awesome |
| 11:27.27 | cladhaire | holy crizzap |
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| 11:27.33 | cladhaire | it learns the flight paths you know. |
| 11:30.49 | batrick | sorta funny "I think Git requires some special inconvenient environment in Windows. But I have no sympathy for Windows users, so it's all good." |
| 11:30.53 | batrick | then a little later |
| 11:30.54 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 11:30.55 | cladhaire | i <3 that guy |
| 11:31.03 | batrick | "Need to be more friendly to Windows users." |
| 11:33.23 | batrick | "No more closure functions, they waste memory. Will be part of the virtual table effort." /sigh |
| 11:36.54 | batrick | lmfao |
| 11:38.52 | batrick | he's got an awesome screenshot... guy on the horse |
| 11:38.57 | batrick | can't link it cuz curse is shitty |
| 11:40.16 | batrick | anyways i'm going to sleep night |
| 11:40.26 | cladhaire | night |
| 11:40.27 | Antiarc | http://media6.curse-gaming.com/images/previews/103609/InterestingSuggestion.jpeg <-- that one? |
| 11:40.49 | batrick | yes that one, i woulda linked it but it's tiny on my browser, i think it's shrunk |
| 11:41.10 | batrick | later |
| 11:41.15 | clad|away | hrm |
| 11:41.19 | clad|away | he pulls data from LightHeaded |
| 11:41.20 | clad|away | interesting |
| 11:41.22 | clad|away | wonder how/where? |
| 11:42.13 | clad|away | cause i bet we can automate this process like whoa |
| 11:42.18 | clad|away | since i have all the quest/npc data |
| 11:43.43 | reqol | using 7zip (and not their proprietary format) what settings will get me the most compression? |
| 11:43.57 | reqol | my friend has really slow internet and I'm trying to send him a few songs |
| 11:44.15 | Kalroth | I'm guessing they're mp3 or ogg encoded? |
| 11:44.23 | reqol | mp3 |
| 11:44.41 | Kalroth | Then you don't need to worry about compression setting, the files are already compressed. |
| 11:45.16 | Kalroth | Just .zip them and send them, fooling around with settings won't save you more than 1-2% at best |
| 11:45.28 | Shirik | .zip will likely make it bigger :) |
| 11:46.01 | reqol | .zip saved 5 megs |
| 11:46.01 | reqol | woohoo |
| 11:46.01 | Kalroth | Naw, there's a small header, so it'll be about the same |
| 11:46.01 | Kalroth | huh? |
| 11:46.01 | Shirik | ... are you serious? |
| 11:46.01 | reqol | 100% |
| 11:46.04 | Kalroth | How many songs and what encoder? :) |
| 11:46.05 | Antiarc | They aren't properly compressed to begin with then |
| 11:46.12 | Shirik | That's a fake mp3 imo :P |
| 11:46.15 | reqol | 23 songs |
| 11:46.26 | Kalroth | What's their unzipped size? |
| 11:46.32 | reqol | 117 |
| 11:46.35 | reqol | megs |
| 11:46.42 | Shirik | lua> 117/23 |
| 11:46.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: 5.0869565217391 |
| 11:47.04 | Kalroth | Some encoders stuff tons of meta data in the headers, so that might have been where you saved some |
| 11:47.14 | Kalroth | And you might also have two identical mp3s :) |
| 11:47.15 | reqol | for reference, some of them are lengthy songs |
| 11:47.16 | Antiarc | That's an assload of metadata. |
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| 11:47.34 | reqol | i'm fairly certain there are no duplicates |
| 11:47.41 | Kalroth | Antiarc: Yeah, I'm not saying it accounts for all 5 mb, but I've seen metadata up to 50k |
| 11:47.46 | Kalroth | in a single song |
| 11:47.49 | clad|away | ~entropy |
| 11:47.49 | purl | somebody said entropy was CHAOS, DISORGANIZATION, RANDOMNESS |
| 11:47.55 | reqol | would someone mind explaining meta data to me? |
| 11:47.55 | clad|away | yay entropy! |
| 11:48.10 | Kalroth | reqol: Song information |
| 11:48.12 | Shirik | metadata = song title, artist, etc. |
| 11:48.16 | Antiarc | metadata on a song usually consists of things like the title, artist, album, etc |
| 11:48.19 | Shirik | ID3 tags |
| 11:48.20 | reqol | I was hoping for something complicated ;_; |
| 11:48.21 | clad|away | id3 tags |
| 11:48.25 | Shirik | I win :P |
| 11:48.32 | Kalroth | reqol: Author, song title, album name, release date, song style(s), etc. |
| 11:49.57 | reqol | so now that we're on this subject...what are you guys fans of? |
| 11:50.02 | Kalroth | boobies |
| 11:50.12 | reqol | well they're nice, but I meant music ;o |
| 11:50.14 | Kalroth | and those that wield them |
| 11:50.15 | Kalroth | oh |
| 11:50.18 | Shirik | dragonforce |
| 11:50.22 | Kalroth | well I like song about boobies |
| 11:50.24 | Kalroth | songs* |
| 11:50.32 | Shirik | Kalroth: So just about every rap song |
| 11:50.38 | Kalroth | ick no |
| 11:50.44 | Kalroth | Rap "music" is just wrong. |
| 11:50.53 | Shirik | my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard |
| 11:50.56 | reqol | I think (in order of preference, after #1 they are loosely packed and could easily be swapped around) |
| 11:51.14 | reqol | metallica, disturbed, dio |
| 11:51.43 | Kalroth | I like weird shit, I guess |
| 11:51.51 | reqol | killswitch engage, serj tankian (and soad), slipknot, megaman soundtracks...uhh |
| 11:51.54 | Kalroth | Right now I'm listening to http://www.scenemusic.eu/ |
| 11:52.07 | Kalroth | Demo/intro/game music |
| 11:52.09 | reqol | some various songs (no more than one song per author) |
| 11:53.19 | reqol | lua> 95994/1024 |
| 11:53.19 | lua_bot | reqol: 93.744140625 |
| 11:54.07 | Shirik | ok gonna go put my head down for a bit again |
| 11:54.08 | Shirik | take care |
| 11:54.10 | reqol | <3 |
| 11:54.28 | reqol | so yeah, as an experiment I'm zipping up the same songs under ULTRA compression. |
| 11:54.30 | reqol | ...ultra. |
| 11:54.51 | reqol | I'm guessing, as you all say, it won't save much, but it's worth doing; I'm bored. |
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| 11:57.24 | reqol | absolutely nothing was saved. |
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| 12:10.13 | [BL]Ycarene | Hello |
| 12:10.41 | [BL]Ycarene | Would anyone have use for a Wow-lua version of the blowfish encryption algorithm? |
| 12:12.18 | Antiarc | Sounds interesting, definitely |
| 12:12.31 | Antiarc | Though I don't know that I'd have a use for it, at least now ;) |
| 12:12.35 | [dRaCo] | what is it you guys got going with encryption in wow? a while ago someone coded SHA-512 for wow-lua |
| 12:13.10 | [BL]Ycarene | I had written a blowfish implementation before but I lost it unfortunately. |
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| 12:16.47 | [BL]Ycarene | Actually, would be kind of useful to use in a "pseudo guild" mod that lets guilds manage guild alliances and such. |
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| 13:03.14 | roppin | anyone got a "graffiti" like font for WoW? |
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| 13:16.54 | sag_ich_nicht | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2593777857.html this is pornography for my brain |
| 13:20.01 | [BL]Ycarene | Wow |
| 13:20.23 | sag_ich_nicht | now all they need to do is increase the resolution to a UHDV level and give me a UHDV cam that's just as small and i'll buy it |
| 13:20.26 | [BL]Ycarene | That'd be awesome on a long trip. |
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| 13:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, |Jelly|-dear! *hugs* |
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| 14:15.47 | sysrage | why the hell do i not see any spell casting fixes in the patch notes? |
| 14:15.54 | sysrage | if they didn't fix that crap i'm going to murder somebody |
| 14:15.54 | cladhaire | ? |
| 14:16.09 | nevcairiel | i dont even know what the issue was, i didnt notice anything |
| 14:16.33 | sysrage | the bullshit where you keep casting even after your target dies.. AND if you change targets and start casting then your first target dies, it cancels the new cast |
| 14:17.30 | sysrage | don't know how people don't notice that |
| 14:17.49 | nevcairiel | get a better latency imho |
| 14:17.56 | sysrage | it has nothing to do with latency, but thanks |
| 14:17.57 | cladhaire | I've never had this problem |
| 14:17.59 | [Ammo] | yeah stop playing on coal powered internet :) |
| 14:18.09 | [Ammo] | I've never had the issue either |
| 14:18.11 | cladhaire | i'm sorry it makes you so angry |
| 14:18.12 | cladhaire | brb |
| 14:18.39 | nevcairiel | i've never had that problem either, neither in pvp nor pve, neither with caster dps, melee dps, nor healer |
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| 14:19.24 | sysrage | many others have reported it as a bug |
| 14:19.29 | sysrage | wonder why some ppl don't have the problem then |
| 14:19.54 | cladhaire | hrm, I'm not sure how to find my college nurse |
| 14:20.09 | nevcairiel | google? |
| 14:20.10 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:20.51 | krka | i dont even want to know why you wnat to find your college nurse |
| 14:21.06 | Lopeppeppy | The infirmary is their natural habitat. |
| 14:21.16 | Lopeppeppy | krka, if you don't know that, I'm not going to be the one to tell you. ;P |
| 14:21.20 | nevcairiel | anyone got a good tool to encode audio CDs using the LAME codec? |
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| 14:27.12 | sioraiocht_ | nevcairiel: audacity |
| 14:27.40 | sioraiocht_ | you have to download the lame lib separately, but it works with it |
| 14:27.42 | sioraiocht_ | and it's nice |
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| 14:28.16 | krka | Lopeppeppy: aw, why not? |
| 14:28.26 | sioraiocht_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.30 | sioraiocht_ | WHY can't i change my nick? |
| 14:28.51 | sioraiocht | there we go |
| 14:29.24 | Lopeppeppy | krka, I'm practicing being an angel. |
| 14:32.12 | krka | i dont get it :(/ |
| 14:34.25 | Lopeppeppy | That's your problem. Go hire a nurse. *winks* |
| 14:36.15 | krka | first off, why did clad start talking about his college nurse, i can't find the start of the conversation |
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| 14:36.25 | cladhaire | does it matter? |
| 14:36.32 | cladhaire | that was the start of the conversation |
| 14:36.40 | krka | oh i see |
| 14:36.44 | Lopeppeppy | Random interjections for the win, my friend. |
| 14:36.47 | cladhaire | which was more of a statement than a conversation starter |
| 14:37.08 | krka | and random injections ftl |
| 14:37.36 | malreth | i can suck the life out of a shark |
| 14:38.15 | krka | sounds like a useful talent malreth |
| 14:38.17 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. *winks* BRB in a while. |
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| 14:38.45 | krka | how about sharks with friggin lasers on their heads |
| 14:39.14 | malreth | all sharks suck the same way |
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| 14:45.13 | roppin | anyone got a "graffiti" like font for WoW? |
| 14:45.30 | malreth | ~google free fonts |
| 14:46.00 | malreth | ~fail |
| 14:46.00 | purl | ACTION gives malreth the worst grade imaginable, an A minus... minus! |
| 14:49.04 | sysrage | just looked. there's actually a crapload of reports of the casting bug. mostly seeing healers and mages reporting it |
| 14:49.39 | End | I've seen it, but it doesn't really seem like a big deal to me |
| 14:50.16 | End | although, I think a hunter feigning death does force it to cancel, so heh |
| 14:52.33 | sysrage | it's a huge deal to me. in heroics, that's potentially a wasted 10-15 seconds on a big pull.. in pvp it easily gets you killed if you're wasting time casting on a dead target when somebody else is ripping your face off |
| 14:52.46 | sysrage | yes. i can move or press escape to cancel it, but i shouldn't have to |
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| 14:53.28 | wereHamster | is VARIABLES_LOADED fired after all ADDON_LOADED? |
| 14:53.53 | End | I doubt I waste more than a second |
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| 14:54.45 | Lunessa | ... this IS mah happy christmas face. |
| 14:55.58 | roppin | malreth: I dont know what fonts it should be, that's why I am asking |
| 14:56.16 | malreth | roppin: most font download sites have previews |
| 14:57.15 | End | if it's the stylistic warcraft font you see on the warcraft III load screen and whatnot (as well the wow site), I seem to remember doing a google for font and warcraft finding it for me |
| 14:57.17 | Lunessa | www.da.font.com |
| 14:58.01 | End | (I think it took a bit of searching, but I did find it eventually) |
| 14:58.07 | malreth | if you have a screenshot of the font... http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/ |
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| 15:00.32 | wereHamster | if addon A depends on addon B, are addon A SVs loaded before addon B is loaded? |
| 15:00.46 | nevcairiel | no |
| 15:00.48 | wereHamster | loaded=parsed lua files etc |
| 15:01.03 | nevcairiel | it'll load all deps first |
| 15:01.12 | End | I think it just loads all the SVs in one go |
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| 15:01.53 | malreth | interesting question, actually |
| 15:01.57 | End | (but I don't have anything specific to back up my belief) |
| 15:02.17 | malreth | addon B will be loaded first... but i don't know if dependencies affect SV load order |
| 15:02.31 | malreth | oh |
| 15:02.46 | End | my interpretation was: load SV for everyone, send VARIABLES_LOADED to everyone |
| 15:02.48 | malreth | nm... thought you were asking about addon B's SVs |
| 15:02.55 | End | oh |
| 15:02.57 | End | so did I :P |
| 15:03.08 | malreth | addon B will load before addon A's SVs |
| 15:03.12 | wereHamster | I have a SV in addon A. Addon B calls a function from addon A that loads a default value to the SV. But at that point the SV has already been loaded so it overwrites the SV with the default values.. |
| 15:04.14 | malreth | solution: what you're doing is too fucked up. do it differently. |
| 15:04.46 | wereHamster | I have a workaround.. but that's not the issue |
| 15:04.48 | malreth | also, i haven't had enough caffeine so i don't understand what you just said |
| 15:05.06 | End | I understand |
| 15:05.21 | End | but I'm not any help :P |
| 15:05.49 | End | it seems that you need to wait til the other addon gets its VARIABLES_LOADED before you do your stuff |
| 15:07.05 | malreth | so... A has B as a dependency, B loads before A, some time passes, A's SVs get loaded, some more time passes, then B sets default values for A's SVs and overwrite any user config already stored there? |
| 15:07.59 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: why do you wait so long before Addon B calls the function? |
| 15:08.40 | malreth | and to go along with Josh_Borke's question, why doesn't addon B not set any values if it sees that the saved variables already exist? |
| 15:08.49 | wereHamster | http://pastey.net/80320 |
| 15:09.50 | wereHamster | the healsync code is right in the HealSync.lua file, not in any function or anything, so its executed as the file is loaded |
| 15:10.33 | Josh_Borke | it has to be executing twice then. are you saying IFrameManagerLayout is part of a SV? |
| 15:10.55 | wereHamster | ## SavedVariables: IFrameManagerLayout |
| 15:11.32 | Josh_Borke | so you're saving something that by design changes and iis transient to each reload? |
| 15:11.58 | Josh_Borke | ie, the interface |
| 15:11.58 | wereHamster | isn't that what SV are for? |
| 15:12.14 | wereHamster | the interface is not saved of course |
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| 15:12.43 | Josh_Borke | wait, i don't understand the issue. the code you have won't clobber anything |
| 15:13.04 | Josh_Borke | IFrameManagerLayout[frame:GetName()] will exist if its in your saved variables |
| 15:13.19 | wereHamster | I don't get it why IFrameManager:Register() prints 'HealSyncTarget: table: ????' |
| 15:13.36 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: um, wow. I want to reply to your "dead horse" post, but, I don't. |
| 15:13.41 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: because IFrameManagerLayout has a field called HealSyncTarget in it already |
| 15:13.55 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: because it's in your SV |
| 15:14.01 | wereHamster | the sv file, but when exactly is it loded? |
| 15:14.14 | wereHamster | after the all the addon lua files are loaded? |
| 15:14.24 | Josh_Borke | after VARIABLES_LOADED fires |
| 15:14.27 | nevcairiel | i think the SV is loaded before any of your code is executed |
| 15:14.31 | wereHamster | before.. |
| 15:14.42 | Josh_Borke | rather, i should say WHEN VARIABLES_LOADED fires |
| 15:15.47 | malreth | Josh is correct... SVs are loaded after your addon's script files are loaded and executed |
| 15:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, yup |
| 15:16.07 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: add handlers for VL and print out when they fire |
| 15:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Nagle's Algorithm is disabled |
| 15:16.17 | wereHamster | nevcairiel, I doubt that, in other addons I have the SV variable on the top of the lua file to initialize it in case the user loads the addon the first time |
| 15:16.41 | wereHamster | VL fires after :Register is called |
| 15:17.00 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: for both addons? |
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| 15:17.11 | malreth | yes... VARIABLES_LOADED should fire long after IFrameManager:Register() is called |
| 15:17.35 | malreth | "the healsync code is right in the HealSync.lua file, not in any function or anything, so its executed as the file is loaded" |
| 15:17.43 | wereHamster | I only checked IFM, but I doubd VL in healsync is fired before IFM |
| 15:17.54 | wereHamster | yes |
| 15:17.59 | nevcairiel | i am not sure of that, it could load the SV of IFM before it loads HealSync |
| 15:18.17 | Josh_Borke | nevcairiel: according to wowwiki VL doesn't fire until all AL's have fired |
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| 15:18.44 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: dump out the entire contents of IFrameManagerLayout every time Register is called then |
| 15:18.45 | wereHamster | then the wiki is wrong |
| 15:18.57 | Josh_Borke | "This event fires when all AddOns that will be loaded during the initial loading sequence (ie. all AddOns that will not be loaded OnDemand) have had their related ADDON_LOADED event fire." |
| 15:19.02 | End | heh, Nagle's description on why Nagle's algorithm sometimes hurts: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174457&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=14515105 |
| 15:19.10 | Josh_Borke | hm, i see |
| 15:19.11 | wereHamster | everytime :Register is called, IFML is fully initialized |
| 15:19.15 | Josh_Borke | " ADDON_LOADED This event fires whenever an AddOn has finished loading and the SavedVariables for that AddOn have been loaded from their file. " |
| 15:19.24 | Josh_Borke | there's your answer |
| 15:19.31 | Josh_Borke | SVs are loaded during ADDON_LOADED |
| 15:19.44 | Josh_Borke | hence IFrameManager variables are being loaded before HealSync is calling Register |
| 15:19.51 | malreth | Josh_Borke: no |
| 15:19.53 | malreth | "the healsync code is right in the HealSync.lua file, not in any function or anything, so its executed as the file is loaded" |
| 15:20.01 | cladhaire | Can you place an auction on the auction house without a keypress/mouseclick? |
| 15:20.03 | cladhaire | same question for trading |
| 15:20.05 | malreth | file loading and execution happens before ADDON_LOADED |
| 15:20.12 | Josh_Borke | malreth: IFrameManager is depended on by HealSync |
| 15:20.13 | nevcairiel | malreth: its two different addons |
| 15:20.17 | cladhaire | i know they added limitations, I'm just not sure what they are. |
| 15:20.34 | malreth | right |
| 15:20.46 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: Auctioneer can create 10 auctions with one click, so i guess you dont need a click? :) |
| 15:20.50 | malreth | HealSync depends on IFrameManager |
| 15:20.51 | wereHamster | AL is fired after IFM is loaded and before any other addon is loaded |
| 15:20.55 | Josh_Borke | malreth: ie, IFrameManager loads before HealSync therefore IFrameManager ADDON_LOADED fires BEFORE HealSync loads |
| 15:21.00 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: what about buying an auction? :P |
| 15:21.09 | wereHamster | that explains everything |
| 15:21.14 | Josh_Borke | malreth: and therefore IFrameManager's SVs have loaded |
| 15:21.32 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: not sure about buying. and, you cant trade without keypress |
| 15:21.38 | malreth | hmm... well that might be true then |
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| 15:22.14 | cladhaire | hrm okay |
| 15:22.23 | cladhaire | i'll leave this paragraph out of the book then :P |
| 15:23.05 | Josh_Borke | maintenance started early today :-( |
| 15:23.10 | End | Josh_Borke: patch |
| 15:23.16 | nevcairiel | yeah, 2.3.2 finally |
| 15:23.26 | Josh_Borke | STILL! |
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| 15:23.36 | End | paaaaatttch |
| 15:23.38 | wereHamster | one of my addons stopped working, but I recently saw it in action, so someone must have ported it |
| 15:23.39 | End | :X |
| 15:25.15 | Josh_Borke | i wanted to log in and check my mail |
| 15:25.34 | cladhaire | my boyfriend is going to have to man the auction house for me |
| 15:25.44 | cladhaire | Netherweave bags going for 3g bigs |
| 15:25.51 | cladhaire | up in 2 hours from now |
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| 15:41.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, one server up already |
| 15:42.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Ack |
| 15:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | They just stopped it :( |
| 15:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh well, I have a new trolling toon |
| 15:44.26 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/08/funny-pictures-is-fulla-starz/ |
| 15:44.58 | malreth | that's a good photo |
| 15:45.38 | Lunessa | It is. |
| 15:46.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a sudden urge for a cheeseburger |
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| 15:50.56 | foxlit | "Segmentation fault" |
| 15:51.17 | foxlit | Perhaps I have been overly optimistic in my foray into O-C |
| 15:51.29 | wereHamster | signal number 11 :) |
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| 15:59.51 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, thank you thank you. My users are a bunch of rabid wombats today, kitty cute helps tons. |
| 16:00.25 | Lunessa | <3 *hugs* |
| 16:01.13 | Lunessa | I have dozens of angry people mad at /me/ because their user accounts expired. Not my fault they didn't get the paperwork done before the expiration date... |
| 16:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really unfortunate that a mass e-mail to said users conctaining "Tools" as the message body would be looked down on :/ |
| 16:02.53 | Lunessa | Indeed, I'd probably have to move out of sate to find work... |
| 16:03.40 | malreth | Yesterday, the university e-mail system ran out of mailboxes |
| 16:03.49 | malreth | it just ran out |
| 16:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ..? |
| 16:04.01 | malreth | yeah |
| 16:04.05 | malreth | think about that |
| 16:04.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Trying, it's not working |
| 16:04.16 | Lunessa | You hit the limit that Exchange can handle huh? |
| 16:04.25 | malreth | i mean, sure... we probably have like hundreds of thousands of users |
| 16:04.30 | malreth | not exchange... |
| 16:04.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, Exchange was my last idea |
| 16:04.39 | malreth | uh... don't remember what it runs on |
| 16:04.56 | Lunessa | I thought UT was an MS shoop? |
| 16:05.10 | malreth | not the University Mailbox System |
| 16:05.26 | malreth | it's running on some Unix OS |
| 16:05.29 | ScytheBlade1 | So how exactly do you 'run out'? |
| 16:05.47 | Beladona | space? |
| 16:05.55 | foxlit | is cheap |
| 16:05.59 | ScytheBlade1 | You would think they would notice and fix it before it became a problem |
| 16:06.04 | malreth | apparently, they batch create all of the mailboxes that they expect to use for 3 years |
| 16:06.11 | malreth | or something like that |
| 16:06.17 | Beladona | never assume anything |
| 16:06.20 | malreth | then hand them out when they're requested |
| 16:06.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Ahh |
| 16:06.31 | Lunessa | Ah |
| 16:06.35 | Beladona | oh |
| 16:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | You had me thinking they couldn't make more |
| 16:06.42 | Beladona | so they ran out of teh allotted boxes |
| 16:06.44 | Lunessa | PEBSysAdminsEars |
| 16:06.45 | Beladona | meh |
| 16:07.03 | malreth | during registration, the system gets really loaded down with mailbox creates |
| 16:07.08 | malreth | so this was their solution |
| 16:07.13 | Beladona | I was gonna say "got retention policies?" |
| 16:07.21 | malreth | Beladona: that's another one |
| 16:07.26 | malreth | they don't expire mailboxes |
| 16:07.30 | Beladona | oh gg |
| 16:07.44 | malreth | there's probably over a hundred thousand users on that system |
| 16:07.52 | Beladona | in other words they never really reclaim any storage |
| 16:07.53 | malreth | every UT student, faculty, staff |
| 16:08.06 | malreth | for the past... oh... 10 years |
| 16:08.13 | Lopeppeppy | I have dozens of angry users who didn't read their e-mails last week and claim they didn't know there would be a software update.... ugh, ugh, ugh. |
| 16:08.14 | Beladona | I guess in University its a case of "running out? lets buy more!" |
| 16:08.41 | malreth | i don't remember the last time they ran out of space on that system |
| 16:08.41 | Beladona | haha |
| 16:08.56 | Beladona | well they probably don't |
| 16:08.59 | Beladona | but thats not the point |
| 16:09.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah... |
| 16:09.22 | Lopeppeppy | Needs moar stars. |
| 16:10.24 | Beladona | I could easily tell my superiors that we are at 80% storage capacity and need to bump up the limit |
| 16:10.29 | Beladona | OR |
| 16:10.42 | Beladona | I could check to see where the space it being used |
| 16:11.00 | Beladona | and see if there is any feasible reason or way to reduce the usage |
| 16:11.08 | Beladona | save my company money |
| 16:11.15 | Beladona | (not that its much but you know) |
| 16:12.05 | Beladona | too many companies just say "lets just buy more storage and not use any policies or size limits to manage our users" |
| 16:12.22 | malreth | we have mailbox quotas... |
| 16:12.25 | Beladona | in my experience, if the users think they have free reign to use as much storage as they want |
| 16:12.33 | Beladona | you start getting things being stored that shouldn't be |
| 16:13.00 | malreth | and there is a stated policy that we will purge a mailbox after 6 months from the termination of your affiliation with the University |
| 16:13.07 | malreth | but they never do that |
| 16:13.22 | Beladona | I hit my limit? I guess I should delete that 2gb of funny pictures in my documents |
| 16:13.28 | Beladona | lol |
| 16:13.49 | Beladona | sorry thats my rant |
| 16:13.53 | malreth | the best part were people who had mailboxes on the VMS system that we used to run |
| 16:13.57 | Beladona | and more targetted to companies |
| 16:14.03 | Beladona | universities are a bit different |
| 16:14.22 | malreth | and they kept wondering why they ran out of room in their mailbox even though they kept their inbox clean |
| 16:14.42 | malreth | i'll let you all chew on that one for a bit |
| 16:14.50 | Beladona | I have seen a lot of things like that before |
| 16:14.53 | malreth | it's not an obvious problem |
| 16:15.09 | Beladona | or things they can't find anymore |
| 16:15.40 | Lunessa | malreth: I know the answer |
| 16:15.52 | Beladona | note: if an end-user says that documents are missing on a network drive, before you go and restore a backup, check on of the other folders |
| 16:15.58 | malreth | Lunessa: is it because i already mentioned the answer before? |
| 16:16.08 | Lunessa | No, because I've run VMS |
| 16:16.11 | Beladona | I have seen once or twice that people didn't click, they click-dragged |
| 16:16.16 | malreth | aaah... BROTHER!!! |
| 16:16.20 | Beladona | and a root folder got moved to a sub-folder |
| 16:16.37 | Beladona | restoring a backup would have just duplicated all the data |
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| 16:16.46 | Lunessa | We are the same McCloud. We are BROTHERS! |
| 16:16.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Beladona: yup... now take that same problem, only the folder they moved had 12 folders and several thousand files in it... and that directory is set to replicate to your other servers |
| 16:17.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Beladona: suddenly you have three buildings of people who "can't find their files, they've all been deleted!" |
| 16:17.50 | Beladona | yup |
| 16:17.53 | Beladona | same issue |
| 16:19.11 | roppin | ok, Ive downloaded fonts now.. how i get them to work as ingame font? |
| 16:19.36 | malreth | roppin: look for an addon called ClearFont2 |
| 16:19.43 | roppin | Thx man |
| 16:20.38 | Beladona | since then I have implemented tracking of file changes on the storage systems. So now I know who did the stupid things |
| 16:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I've debated doing that, but the problem is, three buildings of people working produces a LOT of audit logs |
| 16:21.16 | Lopeppeppy | Knowing who did what to whom is the key to the Great IT Clue Game. |
| 16:22.25 | Beladona | a good system will limit what gets logged |
| 16:22.48 | Beladona | only certain actions |
| 16:22.51 | ScytheBlade1 | When one person works on a single "file" - a physical set of papers in their hands |
| 16:23.08 | roppin | malreth: Should the ClearFonts2 folder be in AddOns folder, or straight in WoW folder? |
| 16:23.09 | ScytheBlade1 | They're performing basic operations on as many as 10 files on the computer |
| 16:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | roppin: it's just like any other addon |
| 16:23.29 | malreth | roppin: CF2 comes with installation instructions |
| 16:23.31 | malreth | read them |
| 16:23.31 | Lunessa | Too many users complain about limits to files being too strict but get upset and blame you when something gos wrong that could have been prevented with strict limits. |
| 16:23.35 | malreth | they're very specific |
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| 16:23.59 | Beladona | its a constant battle |
| 16:24.09 | Beladona | like spam prevention |
| 16:24.22 | TecnoBrat | Cladhaire is a lifless f**k ... lol? |
| 16:25.34 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 16:25.38 | sag_ich_nicht | kd3 you there? |
| 16:26.05 | kd3 | ya |
| 16:26.20 | sag_ich_nicht | care to file another bug report for me? Anchorite Ceyla & Nanomah at the Altar of Sha'tar are missing proper "Humanoid" race tags |
| 16:26.47 | sag_ich_nicht | also their level/elite/non-elite tags are mixed up i think |
| 16:26.51 | kd3 | meh, most of the mobs at the scryer camp are missing humanoid tags too |
| 16:27.10 | sag_ich_nicht | actually a lot of the NPCs there |
| 16:27.14 | sag_ich_nicht | are missing race tags |
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| 16:29.20 | Beladona | you warned them |
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| 16:30.04 | zenzelezz | plutonium is so fifties |
| 16:30.09 | zenzelezz | get with the hydrogen |
| 16:30.30 | Lunessa | I'm pretty sure she wants /dirty/ bombs. |
| 16:31.16 | Lopeppeppy | Very very dirty bombs. |
| 16:31.37 | Lunessa | They dress up in leather and... |
| 16:31.38 | End | naughty bombs? |
| 16:31.48 | Lunessa | Oh, um... inside voice, INSIDE VOICE. |
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| 16:38.09 | Beladona | back soon |
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| 16:48.24 | cncfanatics | hello all! |
| 16:48.40 | malreth | hi hello so good to see you |
| 16:48.48 | malreth | come in sit down |
| 16:49.03 | malreth | can i get you anything? |
| 16:49.11 | cncfanatics | a cup of tea :) |
| 16:49.33 | malreth | certainly |
| 16:50.08 | cncfanatics | now, if you don't mind, I'm going to get studying stupid dutch literature |
| 16:50.57 | malreth | now, you shouldn't say things like that about the Dutch |
| 16:51.33 | malreth | except for Belgians. you can make fun of them. |
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| 16:51.58 | cncfanatics | I'm a belgian, fyi |
| 16:52.29 | cogwheel | u gief waffle plx |
| 16:52.31 | cogwheel | with chocolate on it |
| 16:52.45 | malreth | you should beat yourself up like that, cncfanatics. think more positively about yourself. |
| 16:53.01 | cncfanatics | eh, I have a test tomorrow of that silly thing because my exam was bad |
| 16:53.08 | cncfanatics | I hate everything that has to do with literature, dutch or not |
| 16:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | Words are the foundations of life, cnfanatics. Just suck it up and study. :P |
| 16:53.51 | cncfanatics | Lopeppeppy, I might come over to your house and make you eat this cursus of dutch literature :p |
| 16:53.55 | cncfanatics | without salt |
| 16:54.33 | malreth | you can always try to better yourself now. you may be a belgian now, but that shouldn't stop you from aspiring to be something greater... like a french... or greek. |
| 16:54.48 | Lopeppeppy | You first, cnfanatics, me later. |
| 16:55.53 | cncfanatics | malreth |
| 16:56.00 | cncfanatics | fyi, my dad is french, my mom is portuguese |
| 16:56.30 | Shirik | alors tu parles francais? |
| 16:56.41 | Lunessa | malreth: You should wash your mouth out with lye-soap. |
| 16:56.43 | cncfanatics | oui je parle français |
| 16:56.57 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 16:56.57 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 16:56.58 | Shirik | chouette! |
| 16:57.12 | cncfanatics | T'es français ? Shirik |
| 16:57.50 | Shirik | Non, je suis americain mais je prend francais pour... quatre ans? |
| 16:57.53 | Lopeppeppy | I read it better than I speak it... I'm soooooo rusty. |
| 16:58.12 | Lopeppeppy | Je suis Canadienne! < --- my response to the chinese whispers I get while out farming |
| 16:58.19 | Shirik | rofl |
| 16:58.33 | Shirik | Now I'm working on learning Japanese |
| 16:58.45 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. |
| 16:58.58 | malreth | learning Japanese is fun |
| 16:58.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to take apart all of my computers... and rewire them... argh, such a mess |
| 16:59.16 | malreth | but i'm way out of practice |
| 16:59.44 | malreth | i mostly just use what i learned to understand H-dojinshi |
| 16:59.48 | cncfanatics | Shirik, francais depuis 4 ans, pas , francais pour 4 ans |
| 17:00.09 | malreth | amazingly, they almost always tend to use the same words... over... and over... |
| 17:00.12 | Lopeppeppy | since as opposed to for.... |
| 17:00.39 | Shirik | No I took it for four years in HS |
| 17:00.45 | Shirik | well 1 in MS, 3 in HS |
| 17:02.55 | Lunessa | I speak enough French to get my face slapped by pretty girls, and to order coffee and pastry. I speak enough Spanish that I'm confused for a well-educated resident alien in Mexico, and most of South America, and enough Portuguese to get slapped or lucky in Brazil. |
| 17:03.24 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 17:03.32 | cncfanatics | my french, english & dutch are pretty good |
| 17:03.34 | Lunessa | I can muddle my way through some Italian and German, but not for anything important. |
| 17:03.41 | cncfanatics | kinda learned all 3 when I was little :) |
| 17:05.30 | Shirik | you sound like my mom |
| 17:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | I learned to cuss in French from my grandmother, apparently, although I remember very little of that. (thankfully!) I learned to sing in Italian, so I know some sappy love songs I could sing. And a few spanish ditties from the 1600's.... |
| 17:05.41 | Shirik | somehow she took spanish, french, italian, and russian all at the same time |
| 17:05.47 | Lunessa | That's how I learned Spanish. Immersion learning for the something-or-other. |
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| 17:06.51 | cncfanatics | Shirik, when your little you can learn a language so easely |
| 17:06.59 | cncfanatics | I started at english when I got my first computer, I was like 7 years old |
| 17:07.03 | cncfanatics | french at my birth |
| 17:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that the 20' extensions in combination with the 3' adapter and the base 9' cable is a bit overkill considering I'm 6' away from the audio jack on my computer |
| 17:07.09 | cncfanatics | dutch at school when I was 5 |
| 17:07.15 | ScytheBlade1 | s/extensions/extension/ |
| 17:07.28 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Yeah, that's silly. |
| 17:07.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I needed something to connect to the amp though, and it was only $15 :( |
| 17:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid cables |
| 17:08.23 | Lopeppeppy | Too many cables spoils the soup. |
| 17:09.03 | ScytheBlade1 | One of my monitors barely has enough cable length to attach to the video card |
| 17:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's either that, or a 15' DVI that I have |
| 17:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Might be 20' |
| 17:11.38 | Shirik | yeyyy I was right |
| 17:11.44 | Shirik | on my new raid team there's a priest with DS |
| 17:11.45 | Shirik | Win. |
| 17:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Why is it that priests don't like taking the DS talent? |
| 17:12.09 | Lunessa | WIN |
| 17:12.10 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. We've had trouble balancing out our raid priests, as no one wants to have that talent. |
| 17:12.20 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: It prevents you from going deep holy |
| 17:12.30 | Lunessa | Because it makes it hard to get to Circle of Healing or all of Empowered Healing. |
| 17:12.30 | Shirik | Specifically CoH |
| 17:12.36 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. |
| 17:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 17:12.40 | Shirik | Lunessa: It actually makes it impossible to get CoH :) |
| 17:12.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That would explain it |
| 17:12.45 | Lunessa | Yeah. |
| 17:12.50 | Lunessa | <--- See my build. |
| 17:13.04 | Thunder_Child | i have DS as a dps priest |
| 17:13.05 | Lopeppeppy | So we've been trying to have some priests with CoH, and some with Imp DS.... it's hard. |
| 17:13.16 | nevcairiel | none of our priests have CoH, only one of them respecs CoH when we do illidan because it helps with raid healing in phase2 |
| 17:13.24 | Shirik | armory's under maintenance =( |
| 17:13.26 | nevcairiel | but all priests have Imp DS |
| 17:13.29 | cncfanatics | Shirik, it ain't |
| 17:13.35 | cncfanatics | !c eu kazzak evolve |
| 17:13.35 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Orc Rogue (19/42/0). 8454 HP; 1512 AP; 334.000 Melee DPS; 23.15% melee crit; 187 melee hit; 12 +spell dmg/heal; 24.92% dodge; 10 resilience; +25 all resists;[[ TBR: 1841 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yus4em ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mk42h ][ Updated: Tue Jan 8 12:17:54 2008 EST ]] |
| 17:13.40 | Shirik | lul |
| 17:13.41 | Lopeppeppy | Frellin' armory!!! |
| 17:13.54 | Lunessa | Actually, I'm wishing I had CoH for the illhoof fight. /sigh |
| 17:13.55 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 17:13.55 | ThraeBot | Shirik: kimina is not the character you are looking for! |
| 17:13.57 | Shirik | .... |
| 17:14.04 | Shirik | Fine... US armory is under maintenance |
| 17:14.12 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.15 | Lunessa | Yeah, I'm lame. Kara FTL |
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| 17:14.31 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway, I do have a priesty that I'm drawing up, she's at 60, so I do need to get some ideas how to spec her for the last 10 levels and onward. |
| 17:14.38 | Lopeppeppy | You are not lame. Kara is fun times. |
| 17:14.48 | Lunessa | Only when you're winning. :) |
| 17:15.10 | malreth | speak to the person who hasn't even been to Karazhan |
| 17:15.23 | Thunder_Child | it should be fun just for the playing |
| 17:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Kara is fun |
| 17:15.30 | Thunder_Child | or why bother playing |
| 17:15.38 | Lopeppeppy | Win is in the eye of the beholder. |
| 17:16.39 | Lunessa | Actually, I just started leading a raid team through kara, and it's good, but sometimes new boss fights are harsh. |
| 17:16.55 | cncfanatics | wish I had a decent guild |
| 17:16.58 | cncfanatics | my guild wipes in kara :( |
| 17:17.03 | Lopeppeppy | I am a crappy raid lead. I cannot for the life of me raid lead and main heal properly |
| 17:17.08 | Lunessa | So, we crush the first half, and then night two on all the new content is wipe-fest. |
| 17:17.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I can apparently lead, I just don't want to |
| 17:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Because of that, others blame me for the death of at least one good raiding guild, and soon to be another :) |
| 17:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | I led on my rogue okay.... but as a main healer, I just can't do it anymore. |
| 17:17.48 | zenzelezz | I can direct raids, not lead them |
| 17:19.36 | Lunessa | I'd rather be going as my shaman, but healers (reliable ones) are in short supply for my guild. |
| 17:20.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Reliable tanks and healers are almost always in short supply |
| 17:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Any tard can DPS |
| 17:21.06 | Shirik | healers especially |
| 17:21.10 | Shirik | anyone can be a mediocre healer |
| 17:21.15 | ScytheBlade1 | True that |
| 17:21.31 | Shirik | it takes the ability to quickly know what to chain, etc., and how to respond to events to be an effective one |
| 17:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | It's damn hard to be a good and effective healer. Esp. priest in Kara, with the shackles. |
| 17:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm told that some pallies in a really high-end guild on my server have a 94% overheal |
| 17:22.09 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 17:22.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Hello button mashers |
| 17:22.14 | Shirik | That sounds like my old pallies |
| 17:22.23 | Shirik | Like that one where the tank DCed so we all switched |
| 17:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:22.30 | Shirik | and he keeps healing the DCed guy that's not getting hit at all |
| 17:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | And they kept healing the DC target |
| 17:22.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Classy |
| 17:22.40 | Shirik | And I yell at him in heal chat twice |
| 17:22.42 | Shirik | and he ignores me |
| 17:22.57 | Shirik | so that was the end of him |
| 17:23.03 | cncfanatics | ScyteBlade1, any tard can dps about as efficiently as that paladin can heal |
| 17:23.08 | ScytheBlade1 | buhaha |
| 17:23.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a 70 resto druid that is slowly gearing up, and a mage that is only really looking at Hyjal+ loot |
| 17:24.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Resto druids are easy to heal with, I don't see how anyone can have >20% overheal with them |
| 17:24.10 | Lopeppeppy | My overheal is the lowest of the paladins. They all want to look at their raw healing, get peeved when I show them the Effective Healing stats. |
| 17:24.10 | cncfanatics | I got a rogue, mage, paladin |
| 17:24.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe, yup. |
| 17:24.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Effective healing > face |
| 17:24.30 | Shirik | in all honesty overheal shouldn't be the only stat you're looking at |
| 17:24.39 | Shirik | I tend to crush everyone else while still maintaining a 40% overheal |
| 17:24.51 | Shirik | granted we're doing things like... Kara |
| 17:25.02 | cncfanatics | al you should look at is effective healing |
| 17:25.05 | cncfanatics | any retard can chain overheal |
| 17:25.10 | cncfanatics | oh, and healing efficiency |
| 17:25.14 | cncfanatics | (HPM) |
| 17:25.25 | cncfanatics | HPM shld only be looked at if you have healer mana probs though |
| 17:25.31 | cncfanatics | which is not rly an issue in kara |
| 17:25.42 | Shirik | I'm starting to not use mana pots anywhere =( |
| 17:25.45 | Shirik | It's depressing |
| 17:25.58 | Shirik | It makes me feel like I'm not doing any work then I come up with like 15% more effective heal than everyone else |
| 17:26.03 | Shirik | gruul, mag, etc. |
| 17:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | All I know is that I had 200k effective healing and ~12% less overheal than a priest that had 700 +heal and 100 mp5 on me |
| 17:26.09 | cncfanatics | :p |
| 17:26.10 | Lopeppeppy | If everything dies and we win, NO stat is a huge issue. But effective healing is the measure I try to pound into paladins, when all else is conquered -- be efficient. |
| 17:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Resto druid ftw? |
| 17:26.35 | Shirik | Problem for priests is all the other classes get to "snipe" small heals in |
| 17:26.41 | Shirik | pushing the priests' overheal |
| 17:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's true |
| 17:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Priests I've learned to not worry so much about overheal |
| 17:27.08 | cncfanatics | get spriests ? |
| 17:27.10 | Shirik | If I see a priest using flash heal more than rarely, I will yell at them |
| 17:27.21 | Shirik | Like I think for an average gruul run I have 10 flash heals |
| 17:27.29 | Shirik | like the entire run, not just one encounter |
| 17:28.16 | Lunessa | Flash Heal is good for - saving the stupid mage, or for debuffed fights (Dead Watcher anyone?) or quickies. Greater Heal, Binding heal, Renew and Prayer of Mending are where it's at. |
| 17:29.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. That's been the hardest to train our raid priests toward. Staying away from Flash. |
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| 17:29.15 | malreth | what if you're a stupid mage that likes quickies? |
| 17:29.33 | Thunder_Child | heal has the beast heal:mana artio though |
| 17:29.38 | Thunder_Child | ratio* |
| 17:29.41 | Lopeppeppy | Let the paladins do baby small all over heals, let the trees be all Hots.... Priests get the innervates in exchange for sweet CoH and Prayer and so forth. |
| 17:30.01 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: even with the scaling changes? |
| 17:30.10 | cladhaire | they really need to give "Heal" higher ranks |
| 17:30.14 | cladhaire | that's what bothers me about being a priest |
| 17:30.18 | TS|Skrom_ | I keep wanting to jump in with "yeah well my complete heal crits for 15000!" |
| 17:30.18 | cladhaire | hrmph |
| 17:30.22 | TS|Skrom_ | but erm... wrong game |
| 17:30.26 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, uhhh..maybe not, it's been a while since i played on my priest |
| 17:30.35 | cladhaire | yeah when they changed the +heal scaling |
| 17:30.36 | Thunder_Child | it was ~a year ago |
| 17:30.39 | cladhaire | heal became much less viable. |
| 17:30.49 | cladhaire | you lose too much +healing |
| 17:31.05 | Lunessa | Everyone likes quickies... |
| 17:31.07 | Thunder_Child | ah, so what has it now? |
| 17:31.47 | Lopeppeppy | You sure, Lunessa? |
| 17:32.04 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: not sure what you mean? |
| 17:32.20 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, what has the best heal:mana ratio now |
| 17:32.25 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I'm from Texas - Quickie is defined as "under two hours" |
| 17:32.28 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 17:32.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:32.30 | cladhaire | Greater Heal |
| 17:32.35 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 17:32.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I could like Texas just fine then. |
| 17:32.48 | cladhaire | Even Flash Heal can do better than Heal, depending on what you have |
| 17:32.53 | cladhaire | you can afford to scale back 2-3 ranks, but thats it. |
| 17:33.15 | Lopeppeppy | Downranking is no longer what it was cracked up to be, way back when. |
| 17:33.24 | cladhaire | AYE |
| 17:33.26 | cladhaire | WITH CAPS |
| 17:33.36 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: you say that... you think "80 degree winters sounds fun" until you realize that in the summer it gets over 100 with 100% humidity |
| 17:33.52 | cladhaire | Druids needs to use this too: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7726-Bishop.html |
| 17:34.05 | cladhaire | since its the ONLY accurate way to gauge effective/overheal with HoTs |
| 17:34.50 | Lunessa | clad - ooooo! Thanks! |
| 17:34.53 | malreth | at that point, quickies are all you want since you turn into a slippery mass of sweaty stinky human meat-flesh when trying to do the sex |
| 17:35.03 | cladhaire | Shadowed finally finished one of the first mods I wrote :P |
| 17:35.10 | Lopeppeppy | malreth... I know. But sometimes, a girl needs to just not-be-here, and Texas is a fantasy as good as any other. AC FTW. |
| 17:35.15 | Shirik | In all honesty |
| 17:35.19 | Shirik | I don't downrank... at all. |
| 17:35.28 | Shirik | And I don't run out of mana either. |
| 17:35.34 | Shirik | I just can't find it to be useful. |
| 17:36.07 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: did you know that if you don't pay your electricity bill, they can't shut off your service in the summer because A/C is required or else people frikkin die in their homes |
| 17:36.24 | Shirik | no they'll just call a collections company |
| 17:36.39 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, it's that way about heat up here where I live. |
| 17:36.39 | Shirik | And that will look GREAT on your credit report |
| 17:37.16 | malreth | also, I really *did* have horses and cattle at my high school |
| 17:37.29 | Shirik | hey cool the springfield interchange has a wiki article! |
| 17:37.46 | malreth | and county fair day was a school holiday since most people would be away showing animals |
| 17:38.02 | malreth | in short, everything you've ever heard about Texas is true |
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| 17:38.10 | Lopeppeppy | First day of hunting season up here, same sort of deal. |
| 17:38.17 | aliesky | Hello to everyone |
| 17:38.38 | Shirik | hi |
| 17:38.50 | malreth | hello aliesky... so good to see you again |
| 17:38.59 | malreth | how have you been? |
| 17:39.07 | aliesky | i need a addons that show a summary for a item but i can't remember the name |
| 17:39.17 | aliesky | malreth: i'm fine |
| 17:39.18 | Thunder_Child | uh oh, malreth is being nice |
| 17:39.25 | malreth | you always say the funniest things, aliesky! :D |
| 17:39.44 | aliesky | malreth: i know you? |
| 17:39.57 | Thunder_Child | aliesky, summary of what? |
| 17:39.58 | Shirik | owned imo. |
| 17:39.59 | aliesky | malreth: maybe i'm another aliesky ;) |
| 17:40.04 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 17:40.05 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 17:40.08 | malreth | yesss!!! |
| 17:40.16 | Shirik | batbot, is malreth right? |
| 17:40.16 | batbot | Shirik, No. |
| 17:40.18 | Shirik | exactly. |
| 17:40.37 | cncfanatics | malreth, is batbot right ? |
| 17:40.48 | aliesky | so, can somebody help me? |
| 17:41.01 | Shirik | aliesky: You kinda need to answer Thunder_Child's question |
| 17:41.02 | Thunder_Child | "(09:40:13) (Thunder_Child) aliesky, summary of what?" |
| 17:41.10 | aliesky | ah sorry |
| 17:41.15 | aliesky | for example |
| 17:42.07 | aliesky | the tooltip of a item show: |
| 17:42.07 | aliesky | +30 stamina |
| 17:42.07 | aliesky | +23 intellect |
| 17:42.07 | aliesky | +10 Strenght |
| 17:42.07 | aliesky | right? |
| 17:42.19 | malreth | RatingBuster |
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| 17:42.30 | cogwheel | Attention anyone who uses my Lua distro (http://sf.net/projects/lua511wow): I've created the #lua-wow for discussion (or quiet idling, whichever you prefer) |
| 17:42.40 | Shirik | yey another channel I can join |
| 17:42.44 | Shirik | #lua-wow |
| 17:42.47 | Shirik | oops |
| 17:42.49 | Thunder_Child | lets go there and bug cogwheel |
| 17:42.57 | aliesky | there is a addon that show also: |
| 17:42.57 | aliesky | +300 Health |
| 17:42.57 | aliesky | +230 mana |
| 17:42.57 | aliesky | -100 Damage |
| 17:42.57 | aliesky | etc, etc |
| 17:43.02 | cncfanatics | wowlua, lua-wow, more lua + wow combinations please |
| 17:43.09 | cncfanatics | aliesky, ratingbuster |
| 17:43.10 | Thunder_Child | aliesky, like malreth said ratingbuster |
| 17:43.11 | Shirik | wtf is wowlua? |
| 17:43.17 | malreth | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5819-RatingBuster.html |
| 17:43.21 | cogwheel | Shirik: wowlua is teh secks |
| 17:43.28 | Shirik | (12:43:52) -› Unable to join #wowlua (need correct key) |
| 17:43.28 | Shirik | =( |
| 17:43.37 | aliesky | ok, thanks guys |
| 17:43.40 | aliesky | i'll try |
| 17:43.42 | zenzelezz | isn't wowlua that in-game console-type addon? |
| 17:43.55 | malreth | aliesky: np... say hi to Theresa for me |
| 17:43.56 | Josh_Borke | zenzelezz: yes |
| 17:43.57 | Thunder_Child | it's fpr the book i bet |
| 17:44.05 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: yep. and it's going to get mucho sexier as we get closer to the book's release :) |
| 17:44.08 | Thunder_Child | shameless whoring |
| 17:44.18 | Josh_Borke | you can thank me for paging in wowlua :-D |
| 17:44.20 | aliesky | malreth: wich theresa? |
| 17:44.32 | aliesky | malreth: i think you're wrong |
| 17:44.35 | malreth | aliesky: Theresa... Marco's older sister? |
| 17:44.43 | aliesky | malreth: i'm not the aliesky you know |
| 17:44.48 | malreth | sure you are |
| 17:44.55 | aliesky | malreth: I live in Cuba ;) |
| 17:45.03 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh malreth |
| 17:45.04 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "malreth!" |
| 17:45.08 | cogwheel | these aren't the noobs you're looking for |
| 17:45.10 | cogwheel | :P |
| 17:45.11 | malreth | aliesky: ... |
| 17:45.20 | malreth | aliesky: when did you move to Cuba? |
| 17:45.50 | malreth | :D |
| 17:46.00 | aliesky | malreth: i live in Cuba for all my live |
| 17:46.10 | cogwheel | anyone else tempted to report this guy for spam? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/search.html?forumId=11114&characterId=37729980840&sid=1 |
| 17:46.20 | aliesky | malreth: i've never been out |
| 17:46.50 | malreth | cogwheel: maybe he really thinks things are cool |
| 17:46.58 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, for 8 posts... |
| 17:47.33 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: hence "tempted" as opposed to actually doing it :P |
| 17:47.53 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, then no not even tempted |
| 17:49.03 | cogwheel | tracker not responding for anyone else? |
| 17:49.14 | cogwheel | (for the 2.3.2 patch dl) |
| 17:49.59 | nevcairiel | you can get the patch from mirrors .P |
| 17:50.41 | cogwheel | mirrors make me sad |
| 17:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, easiest computer to fix ever... they said that their screen said "No signal detected" and I said "monitor problems" - so they brought it over, I plugged in my monitor, and it worked |
| 17:50.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Whee money! |
| 17:51.46 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, i dunno patch DL'd for me in less than a min |
| 17:52.10 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel, he's from Blackrock. If this is the LEAST they do when their realm is down, I'm actually kinda happy.... *sigh* |
| 17:52.25 | Shirik | Fileplanet still doesn't have 2.3.2 =( |
| 17:52.28 | Shirik | Any other recommendations? |
| 17:52.43 | cncfanatics | wowwiki mirror list ? |
| 17:52.46 | End | I grabbed it off of mmo-champion |
| 17:52.48 | Shirik | too hard |
| 17:53.11 | Bibi | http://azeroth.mmo-champion.com/download/WoW-2.3.0.7561-to-2.3.2.7741-enUS-patch.exe |
| 17:53.16 | End | ^^ |
| 17:53.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I've found that the downloaders HTTP mirros are actually really nice lately |
| 17:54.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I grabbed all of WoW, TBC, and 2.3 (7GB) off of their HTTP mirrors in just a few hours |
| 17:55.32 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 17:55.34 | Shirik | that was a tiny patch |
| 17:55.41 | End | yeah |
| 17:55.59 | Shirik | btw cogwheel the tracker worked fine for me |
| 17:56.03 | malreth | considering there is little in the way of content for 2.3.2... |
| 17:57.06 | cogwheel | malreth: but lots of goodness for addons :P |
| 17:57.17 | malreth | yes.. goodness all around |
| 17:57.20 | Lunessa | patch clocks in a ~5mb |
| 17:57.44 | Thunder_Child | meh...wowhead i lazy, where is teh new talent tree!! |
| 17:57.53 | Thunder_Child | s/i l/is l/ |
| 18:00.13 | aliesky | guys i got the 1.3.0 version, but i got a error when i start my game |
| 18:01.36 | Lopeppeppy | aliesky, what is the error? |
| 18:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | And from what site did you get your copy of Rating Buster? |
| 18:04.12 | Lunessa | modal - the weak answer to "don't do that." |
| 18:08.03 | aliesky | Lopeppeppy: this is the error "...ns\Ratingbuster\libs\Statlogic-1.0\Statlogic-1.0.lua:4354: table index is nil" |
| 18:08.34 | aliesky | Lopeppeppy: i got the copy from wow.curse.com |
| 18:08.50 | Lopeppeppy | aliesky -- files.wowace.com. Try downloading again. |
| 18:08.58 | aliesky | ok |
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| 18:15.31 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773503575&sid=1 - this thread boils down to "waaaa, pushing a button is too much work." |
| 18:15.50 | cogwheel | SNHTAO.ULRCA,LRCAUSNTHAOIESHTNA 0,4.8YGD24908FDSNTOEHBIU |
| 18:16.06 | cogwheel | Anyone know how the hell you select an image in word 07 that has been placed behind text? |
| 18:16.17 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 18:16.25 | Lunessa | One sec... |
| 18:16.27 | cogwheel | u gief |
| 18:16.35 | cogwheel | no nao |
| 18:16.43 | Lunessa | I'm going to do it, so I can tell you exact steps. |
| 18:17.04 | Shirik | cogwheel: Delete the text. |
| 18:17.09 | Shirik | :D |
| 18:17.21 | cogwheel | Shirik: that deletes the image too |
| 18:17.28 | Shirik | oh well |
| 18:17.39 | Shirik | then retype the text and then replace the image |
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| 18:17.55 | cogwheel | no... i'm trying to get the image from this one doc to put into another |
| 18:18.02 | Lunessa | word 2007 is teh slow |
| 18:20.38 | aliesky | Lopeppeppy: same error |
| 18:21.16 | aliesky | Lopeppeppy: RatingBuster-r56707 |
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| 18:23.55 | Lopeppeppy | Then I assume it's a conflict with the new patch from today, aliesky. You can look for a forum on the Ace site (www.wowace.com, look up the addon and look for a forum link) to post to ask questions, but I don't have access to anything better to tell you at this point. |
| 18:24.11 | Lopeppeppy | Question, aliesky. Does this happen with only RatingBuster enabled? |
| 18:24.42 | aliesky | Lopeppeppy: i have to try |
| 18:24.45 | aliesky | wait a sec |
| 18:26.07 | aliesky | Lopeppeppy: yes, happen with only RatingBuester enabled |
| 18:26.58 | aliesky | Lopeppeppy: what happen if i have a older patch? |
| 18:27.03 | Lopeppeppy | Then sadly, RatingBuster has a conflict. You can post to the forum page when you find it, or keep an eye out for an updated version on files.wowace.com. |
| 18:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | If you have an older patch, how are you logging into WoW? |
| 18:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | Today is patch day, it should be downloading the new patch before letting you log in. |
| 18:27.37 | aliesky | is just a question |
| 18:27.47 | aliesky | for curiosity |
| 18:27.58 | cogwheel | ~emulate me |
| 18:27.59 | purl | Emulate you? I dont think I can dumb myself down that much! |
| 18:27.59 | Lopeppeppy | AFIK, you *can't* run an older version of WoW. *shrug* |
| 18:28.04 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 18:28.05 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/5307 |
| 18:28.10 | cogwheel | purl, told you so |
| 18:28.59 | aliesky | Lopeppeppy: you're right, no worry |
| 18:29.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:29.05 | kergoth | purl: forget emulate \me |
| 18:29.05 | purl | kergoth: i didn't have anything called 'emulate \me' to forget |
| 18:29.06 | End | afaik, the server has a version it enforces/pushes when you try to connect |
| 18:29.07 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 18:29.39 | End | they've pushed new versions without forcing people to immediately update...as long as they didn't disconnect :P |
| 18:30.40 | Lopeppeppy | So the moral of the story is that on patch day, one must wait patiently for addon authors to make updates, and submit bug reports to them as best one can, in order to assist them in their labors. |
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| 18:30.50 | End | indeed |
| 18:31.17 | Aidamina | I have a question and im not sure if this is the place to ask so here we go: Is there any way for an addon to pass data to an outside source, for instance a file or application? |
| 18:31.46 | End | a little bit, but not really |
| 18:31.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Aidamina: only by reloading the UI, and that's limited to what you can store within lua variables |
| 18:32.19 | Aidamina | I just need to pass strings to an external application |
| 18:32.26 | Aidamina | for debugging |
| 18:32.28 | Shirik | while running wow? |
| 18:32.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to tenatively say that you simply can't do what you want to, due to WoW's design |
| 18:33.25 | End | the application have an immediately need for this string? or can it wait for WoW to reloadui or exit? |
| 18:33.29 | End | does* |
| 18:33.49 | Aidamina | I know what you mean Scythe, im just asking if there's a backdoor, or some kind of api trigger that can pass data. |
| 18:33.57 | Aidamina | Its semi-time critical yes |
| 18:34.03 | Shirik | no. |
| 18:34.15 | Shirik | You can't communicate in realtime in any way. |
| 18:34.25 | Aidamina | bummer |
| 18:34.37 | laindir | aidamina, would it be good enough to have your string as part of a time-stamped log? |
| 18:34.43 | wereHamster | time critical debugging? |
| 18:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. If you want to "pass data" you're forced to reload the UI (or logout). This updates the saved variables. |
| 18:35.25 | Aidamina | laindir: you mean like the chatlog? |
| 18:35.41 | laindir | yes, something like that |
| 18:35.50 | Shirik | the chat log is different |
| 18:36.03 | Shirik | it uses a buffer and flushes periodically. |
| 18:36.20 | Aidamina | laindir: what are your thoughts? |
| 18:36.23 | Shirik | And WoW has access to do that |
| 18:36.24 | Shirik | You don't. |
| 18:36.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: technically you could join your own private channel, and send data there |
| 18:36.48 | Shirik | oh sorry, misunderstood |
| 18:37.07 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: heh >< |
| 18:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 18:37.20 | Shirik | still wouldn't be completely reliable |
| 18:37.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 18:37.30 | Aidamina | But how can i get that data outside of wow ScytheBlade1? |
| 18:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I have yet to figure out what "periodically" is exactly |
| 18:37.38 | Shirik | But when I meant "WoW has access to do that" I meant that WoW can directly write to a file |
| 18:37.39 | laindir | well, if whatever debugging situation your trying to reproduce doesn't take too long, it would be relatively trivial to create a table with timestamps and whatever other events you want for reference... and then dump it to saved variables immediately afterward via /reloadui |
| 18:37.41 | wereHamster | did blizz fix the os.date() backdoor? |
| 18:37.59 | End | I dont think so, but that wouldn't help here anyways |
| 18:38.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Aidamina: you have two options. One, turn on chat logging, and wait for them to flush the chat buffer to disk. Two, wait for a UI reload, and likewise, wait for them to flush the saved variables to disk. |
| 18:38.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Those are the *only* two methods of getting data outside of WoW that won't get you banned |
| 18:38.40 | wereHamster | didn't that allow to pass data to/from wow in realtime? |
| 18:39.01 | End | I think it was only one way |
| 18:39.09 | End | from outside -> inside |
| 18:39.21 | Shirik | whoo |
| 18:39.23 | Shirik | downtime extended |
| 18:39.31 | kergoth | Shirik: by how much? |
| 18:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The only way to go from outside --> in is to restart WoW, I believe |
| 18:39.38 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik -- are you surprised? |
| 18:39.41 | wereHamster | wasn't the whole point that os.date() could change the system clock and so pass data to the outside? |
| 18:39.47 | ScytheBlade1 | We are continuing to progress on the maintenance schedule; however, it has taken longer to bring the realms up for internal testing than previously expected. We are currently extending the maintenance downtime until approximately 12:01 PM PST. We apologize for any interruption this may cause in your scheduled play. |
| 18:39.53 | Shirik | "We are currently extending the maintenance downtime until approximately 12:01 PM" |
| 18:39.53 | End | I...don't think os.date can change the time |
| 18:39.56 | End | can it? |
| 18:39.58 | Shirik | The :01 is important |
| 18:40.07 | wereHamster | the lua version can IIRC |
| 18:40.23 | *** part/#wowi-lounge aliesky (n=aliesky@84.19.173.206) |
| 18:40.29 | End | I'm looking at the lua version |
| 18:40.32 | End | and I don't see how |
| 18:41.05 | End | os.date is just formatting with the current time being default |
| 18:41.47 | wereHamster | I must have remembered wrong then.. |
| 18:41.50 | End | the current time part was the way you break the sandbox one way, but I don't see how you could set the time using it |
| 18:42.18 | Shirik | I think you mean os.clock? |
| 18:42.28 | End | os.clock() would help even less :P |
| 18:42.51 | End | or, should help even less |
| 18:42.58 | Shirik | os.time |
| 18:42.59 | Shirik | that's it! |
| 18:43.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Aidamina: in sum, if you want to move data out of WoW, you're waiting for a periodic event that writes data to disk, or you're forcing UI reloads, also in order to write data to disk. That's... it. |
| 18:43.10 | Shirik | lua> os.time() |
| 18:43.10 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1199817790, |
| 18:43.18 | wereHamster | Aidamina, do you want to pass the data while you play or while you idle? |
| 18:43.37 | End | I don't care if it was os.time() or os.date(), I don't see how you -set- the time with either |
| 18:43.43 | End | I realize you can get data in |
| 18:43.53 | Shirik | lua> os.time{year=1970, day=1, month=1} |
| 18:43.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: 61200, |
| 18:43.56 | Shirik | oops |
| 18:44.08 | Aidamina | wereHamster: while i play |
| 18:44.22 | Shirik | lua> os.time() |
| 18:44.23 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1199817862, |
| 18:44.28 | Shirik | that's curious |
| 18:44.31 | End | if you -could- set the time inside lua, that'd be funny for all the people running lua bots :P |
| 18:44.36 | Aidamina | Well i've been taking a look at the api and there might be a very tedious way. By loading mp3's |
| 18:44.39 | Shirik | oh it doesn't actually set it, it just determines it |
| 18:44.43 | End | yea |
| 18:44.44 | wereHamster | I know a way to pass data from wow to the outside |
| 18:45.30 | wereHamster | send whispers to yourself, use pcap to capture the packets and extract the data |
| 18:45.41 | End | that's getting silly |
| 18:45.42 | wereHamster | it's unencrypted |
| 18:45.49 | Aidamina | wereHamster: yeah thats a good plan actually |
| 18:45.50 | End | and that is -very- against the ToS :P |
| 18:45.53 | Cide | if you have an executable, it's trivial |
| 18:46.01 | Cide | you can do it in hundreds of ways |
| 18:46.13 | Cide | especially if you interact with wow directly |
| 18:46.17 | wereHamster | blizz can't ever find out, so who cares ;) |
| 18:46.32 | Aidamina | wereHamster: is it possible to send yourself whispers? |
| 18:46.33 | Shirik | sure they can |
| 18:46.39 | wereHamster | yes |
| 18:46.40 | Shirik | warden controls you! |
| 18:46.59 | Duman | of course you can send whispers to yourself :) |
| 18:47.00 | kd3 | eesh. forums and the wiki are getting crushed under the load today |
| 18:47.02 | Cide | you can also display barcodes using textures and print screen |
| 18:47.06 | Duman | kd3: yeah :( |
| 18:47.07 | wereHamster | on my computer, warden runs in a sandbox, so I don't care |
| 18:47.22 | Shirik | lol barcodes |
| 18:47.23 | cncfanatics | wereHamster, linux ? :) |
| 18:47.28 | Duman | I could just run tcpdump on my router :P |
| 18:47.29 | Cide | hey, barcodes are awesome. |
| 18:47.31 | wereHamster | yes, wine |
| 18:47.36 | cncfanatics | anyway, blizzard can very much detect you sending whispers to yourself |
| 18:47.39 | Aidamina | Cide: lol |
| 18:47.41 | cncfanatics | they actualy go to the server & get back to you |
| 18:47.45 | cncfanatics | no need for warden |
| 18:47.47 | Cide | I doubt sending whispers to yourself is a bannable offense |
| 18:47.53 | Duman | heh |
| 18:47.55 | Duman | I hope not |
| 18:47.55 | Shirik | I was referring to warden picking up ethereal |
| 18:47.56 | End | watching the stream is though |
| 18:47.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus they're rate-limited |
| 18:48.03 | Shirik | or whatever |
| 18:48.12 | Aidamina | ScytheBlade1: ah yeah that can be a problem |
| 18:48.14 | cncfanatics | Cide, I'm pretty sure they could tell if you use the whispers for outside use or not |
| 18:48.16 | wereHamster | cncfanatics, that's true, otherwise you couldn't capture the packets :) |
| 18:48.20 | cncfanatics | its pretty obvious if you do |
| 18:48.20 | Cide | or you can just display fontstrings and use a character recognition library |
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| 18:48.25 | Cide | or you can .. or ... or ... |
| 18:48.35 | End | that's getting complicated :P |
| 18:48.37 | cncfanatics | why would someone continously whisper some data to himself ? :) |
| 18:48.47 | Cide | End: not really |
| 18:48.48 | kd3 | badly coded addons? |
| 18:48.48 | Xinhuan | its against the TOS, so why even discuss possible methods of passing data in? :) |
| 18:48.53 | wereHamster | that's not forbidden, is it? |
| 18:48.58 | Duman | you could just send teh data out on the guild subchannel or something :P |
| 18:49.00 | End | I liked your barcode idea better |
| 18:49.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Aidamina: if you could be more clear in what you're trying to accomplish, we could be more helpful ;) |
| 18:49.05 | Shirik | wereHamster: Sure it is |
| 18:49.05 | Aidamina | is it forbidden to pass date outside of wow? |
| 18:49.06 | Cide | End: me too |
| 18:49.07 | Duman | guess that's not fully portable tho |
| 18:49.21 | End | not to mention, you could encode more densely in a barcode |
| 18:49.25 | Cide | End: but the point is, there are hundreds of ways |
| 18:49.25 | Thunder_Child | Xinhuan, because whatif's are fun |
| 18:49.26 | Aidamina | i just want a way to send strings from WOW -> abitrary application |
| 18:49.28 | End | yea |
| 18:49.29 | wereHamster | Shirik, where in the tos do they mention that you can't send yourself whispers? |
| 18:49.33 | cncfanatics | now, I'm gonna get back to studying |
| 18:49.37 | Shirik | THAT'S not forbidden |
| 18:49.41 | Shirik | well actually it could be |
| 18:49.42 | Shirik | sec |
| 18:49.44 | End | all the "easy" ways get plugged though :P |
| 18:49.54 | End | (like SetBindings or whatever) |
| 18:49.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Aidamina: the easiest way to do that which won't get you banned, is reloading the UI and watching for the files to change |
| 18:49.59 | Cide | aye |
| 18:50.05 | Xinhuan | Aidamina, you can do that trivially with 1000 different methods, including taking screenshots every 0.5 seconds and parsing info out of the screenshots |
| 18:50.12 | Cide | um |
| 18:50.23 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, recording the screen is easyer then |
| 18:50.24 | Shirik | Anyway, 4.B. You agree that you will not |
| 18:50.26 | Cide | screenshot every 0.5 sec sounds like a huge performance hog |
| 18:50.31 | End | yeah, it does |
| 18:50.31 | wereHamster | no |
| 18:50.32 | Shirik | (iii) use any third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Program or the Service. |
| 18:50.36 | Xinhuan | of course, taking screenshots isn't ideal |
| 18:50.41 | Thunder_Child | why bother usinging screenshots, why not pares the screen directly with some overlay program |
| 18:50.42 | Xinhuan | but i'm citing it as one of 10000 possible ways |
| 18:50.52 | Shirik | now back to the question of whispers |
| 18:51.03 | Xinhuan | but injecting info back into wow, now that i believe is against the TOS |
| 18:51.03 | wereHamster | I can capture at 19fps without any big loss of fps |
| 18:51.14 | End | Shirik: I believe they also have a paragraph about the network stream too |
| 18:51.34 | Shirik | 5.B. When engaging in Chat in the Program, or otherwise utilizing the Program, you may not: |
| 18:51.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah they do |
| 18:51.38 | Thunder_Child | s/pares/parse/ |
| 18:51.49 | wereHamster | consider you'd capture only a small part of the screen (2x100 pixels would be enough), you could capture each frame! |
| 18:51.59 | cncfanatics | why would you want that ? |
| 18:52.01 | End | Thunder_Child has a good point :P |
| 18:52.13 | Shirik | 6. Use bots or other automated techniques to collect information from the Program or any forum or website owned or administered by Blizzard; |
| 18:52.23 | Aidamina | parsing screenshots is to much of a performance hog |
| 18:52.25 | cncfanatics | tbh, I'd personaly try to find out how events are triggered, and try to capture them, with their arguments, outside WoW |
| 18:52.34 | cncfanatics | OMG |
| 18:52.36 | cncfanatics | Shirik |
| 18:52.42 | cncfanatics | that means that all armory parsing sites are illegal |
| 18:52.45 | cncfanatics | BAN BAN BAN |
| 18:52.52 | Shirik | No |
| 18:52.53 | Shirik | It says "the Program" |
| 18:52.56 | Thunder_Child | and irc bots that do it |
| 18:53.02 | Shirik | which as defined by the ToS is |
| 18:53.03 | Duman | or any forum or website owned or administered by Blizzard |
| 18:53.08 | cncfanatics | Program or any forum or website owned or administered by Blizzard; |
| 18:53.18 | Thunder_Child | L2Read Shirik |
| 18:53.34 | wereHamster | Aidamina, use threads, parsing the rgba data of a screenshot isn't that difficult |
| 18:53.34 | Shirik | oh |
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| 18:53.41 | Cide | the thing is |
| 18:53.41 | cncfanatics | so, I'm right, BAN BAN BAN wowjutsu |
| 18:53.44 | kd3 | armory parsing has always been against the armory's ToS. the devs don't care, especially since they made a reference to armory parsers in an update note |
| 18:53.52 | End | I wonder if Blizzard actually likes the armory parsing programs though |
| 18:53.53 | Duman | kd3 :) |
| 18:53.54 | cncfanatics | kd3, where ? |
| 18:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: technically yes. Sites like wowhead are technically against the rules. |
| 18:54.06 | Duman | I think it's just a blanket CYA statement |
| 18:54.18 | Duman | and for the most part they don't care about the forum stuff |
| 18:54.24 | Shirik | Obviously if they cared they would have done something about it |
| 18:54.25 | Duman | since there are sites like cardplace.com, etc |
| 18:54.26 | Cide | I'm pretty sure wow's eula is irrelevant when it comes to parsing the armory, given that you don't have to be a player to parse it |
| 18:54.29 | Aidamina | wereHamster: parsing rgba data is not an option, and not because its "difficult" |
| 18:54.33 | cncfanatics | wowhead doesn't parse armory, as far as I know |
| 18:54.39 | kd3 | "XML file size reduction: The XML files used by the Armory have been optimized for speed, partly by streamlining the amount of code in the files. As a result, third-party sites that mine Armory data may need to make adjustments to account for the new file configurations." |
| 18:54.42 | kd3 | http://www.wowarmory.com/updates.xml |
| 18:54.48 | Shirik | Cide: That's a good point. You don't have to agree to the ToS to parse the armory |
| 18:54.55 | kd3 | aug 21 2007, "armory optimization: phase one" |
| 18:55.05 | End | I use firefox for my armory parsing |
| 18:55.05 | cncfanatics | Shirik |
| 18:55.11 | End | kthx |
| 18:55.12 | Cide | but if the armory has a ToS then yeah, that would conflict |
| 18:55.16 | cncfanatics | actualy, you don't have to agree to any ToS either to use any of their websites |
| 18:55.17 | Duman | End: banned |
| 18:55.18 | Shirik | doesi t? |
| 18:55.24 | cncfanatics | why do they mention them in the ToS then ? |
| 18:55.31 | End | :P |
| 18:56.02 | Cide | yeah, I can't even find a ToS for the armory :P |
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| 18:56.54 | wereHamster | Aidamina, make a 1x266 texture, each frame set one pixel corresponding to an ascii character, capture it, convert back, you won't notice any performance decrease, I can promise you that |
| 18:57.05 | Aidamina | Xinhuan: Can you give another one of the 10000 |
| 18:57.20 | End | 266? o_O |
| 18:57.29 | Aidamina | What if i'm running 8 clients at the same time |
| 18:57.33 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 18:57.38 | Shirik | We are not here to advocate breaking the ToS... |
| 18:57.43 | Shirik | well, hopefully |
| 18:57.43 | Cide | pretty sure we shouldn't give you any ideas |
| 18:57.44 | wereHamster | ah so you want to have a farm? |
| 18:57.47 | Aidamina | im not breaking anything |
| 18:57.50 | Aidamina | nope not a farm |
| 18:57.53 | Duman | I just like a good discussion :) |
| 18:57.54 | Aidamina | just research |
| 18:57.56 | Cide | seeing as it's against the ToS |
| 18:58.08 | cncfanatics | hmmm, Cairenn could come back from afk and ban us all |
| 18:58.11 | Shirik | research or not it's still against the ToS |
| 18:58.13 | Aidamina | Its not against the ToS to have 8 accounts online |
| 18:58.21 | Shirik | no but it is to do what you're trying to do |
| 18:58.22 | Cide | no, but to get data out of the client |
| 18:58.47 | Duman | it's basically a "no reverse engineering" statement |
| 18:59.33 | Thunder_Child | heh cncfanatics, i would love to see Cairenn|afk come back and do a channel wide kickban |
| 18:59.33 | Shirik | armory....slow.... |
| 18:59.36 | End | for the client, they've shown they can ban people...for the armory, it's sort of a gray area, and it's kinda hard for them to take action against people :P |
| 18:59.52 | cncfanatics | End, they could sue websites |
| 18:59.57 | End | yeah, they could |
| 18:59.57 | cncfanatics | IF they actualy added ToS to the armory itself |
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| 19:00.17 | End | but, that's a lot more work :P |
| 19:00.18 | Shirik | or if they prove the person running the site is bound to the ToS anyway |
| 19:00.20 | Duman | grr forum slowness |
| 19:00.36 | End | especially now |
| 19:00.44 | End | there's a lot of sites that mess with the armory |
| 19:01.30 | End | they could have reasonably done something maybe about it when the armory first came out, but not anymore |
| 19:03.17 | laindir | aidamina, I'm having a hard time imagining a scenario where a timestamp/event log table in saved variables would be that much less useable than doing it in realtime... if it's a question of interpreting the data quickly, you could always automate parsing the log (display it as a graph or whatever) |
| 19:03.56 | cncfanatics | if you need it fast, you should do it ingame |
| 19:03.58 | cncfanatics | lua allows a lot |
| 19:04.06 | cncfanatics | pretty much nothing is totaly impossible ingame |
| 19:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're going to break the ToS, just do it and quit beating around the bush, imo |
| 19:04.32 | End | yeah, barring things like querying websites and whatnot |
| 19:04.33 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want data out without being banned, you're waiting on periodic events or reloads |
| 19:04.46 | cncfanatics | tbh, now I think about it |
| 19:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Largely end of story... everything else you're breaking one rule somewhere |
| 19:04.56 | cncfanatics | I don't see any reason for wanting any data out except for submitting it to websites |
| 19:05.19 | Shirik | mmmmm boost shakes |
| 19:05.20 | Shirik | so good |
| 19:05.25 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: it makes botting much easier |
| 19:05.34 | cncfanatics | we're not talking about bots here |
| 19:05.35 | cogwheel | MUCH |
| 19:05.47 | laindir | cncfanatics, we assume... |
| 19:05.58 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: but that's a good enough reason for keeping the sandbox |
| 19:05.59 | End | hehe |
| 19:06.04 | cncfanatics | true |
| 19:06.11 | Aidamina | Well thx for the suggestions |
| 19:06.20 | Shirik | I wish Aidamina would have told us what he/she is trying to do |
| 19:06.21 | Aidamina | Using the data for pattern recognition research btw |
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| 19:06.35 | Shirik | "pattern recognition research" ? |
| 19:07.29 | Aidamina | I'm trying to see if its possible to identify a player by its playing style only |
| 19:07.46 | Josh_Borke | Aidamina: /combatlog or saved variables log |
| 19:07.51 | Shirik | curious |
| 19:07.58 | Shirik | anyway why is my character listed twice in the armory? |
| 19:08.06 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: because they fucked it up |
| 19:08.08 | End | we cloned you |
| 19:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Aidamina: it's entirely possible through addons to track a LOT of information about the user, but not things like movement, keyboard strokes or mouse movements |
| 19:08.12 | wereHamster | how often is combatlog dumped? |
| 19:08.14 | Shirik | also for those that care, forums are pretty stable atm |
| 19:08.20 | End | whenever the buffer is full |
| 19:08.26 | End | (I believe) |
| 19:08.28 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: what End said |
| 19:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: I've yet to determine an extact pattern to it |
| 19:08.30 | wereHamster | how big is the buffer? |
| 19:08.38 | wereHamster | any ideas? |
| 19:08.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I've seen people dump it at 4MB, I've seen others dump it at 10MB |
| 19:08.39 | Esamynn | about that big |
| 19:08.41 | Josh_Borke | i bet the buffer changes so you can't find a pattern |
| 19:08.43 | End | that I have no idea of, but you could probably figure that out |
| 19:08.45 | Duman | Shirik hmm, not even loading for me :-/ |
| 19:08.59 | Shirik | yeah it just crapped out again =( I jinxed it |
| 19:09.01 | Josh_Borke | ScytheBlade1: you can track all of that information |
| 19:09.34 | MentalPower | you can track movement now |
| 19:09.38 | MentalPower | using securehooks |
| 19:09.45 | laindir | aidamina, for that kind of application, I would think that a time-stamped log would actually be MORE viable than doing it in realtime... unless you want to identify the player in realtime... in which case your best bet would be to code your recognition engine in lua |
| 19:09.49 | MentalPower | keyboard and mouse, you have to do externally |
| 19:09.53 | wereHamster | does win32 have a mechanism to notify apps when a file changes? like inotify on linux? |
| 19:09.54 | Josh_Borke | you can track player location and mouse location |
| 19:10.03 | Josh_Borke | MentalPower: GetCursorCoordinates? |
| 19:10.12 | MentalPower | Josh_Borke: point |
| 19:10.14 | Josh_Borke | or whatever that function is |
| 19:10.21 | MentalPower | yeah, I know the one |
| 19:10.28 | MentalPower | so keyboard would be the only one |
| 19:10.32 | MentalPower | wereHamster: I'm sure it does |
| 19:10.32 | Josh_Borke | hm, keyboard (generic keyboard) presses would be hard |
| 19:10.36 | Aidamina | laindir: I would really like to have the logic in my c# application |
| 19:10.46 | Aidamina | keyboard presses are no problem at all |
| 19:10.52 | MentalPower | wereHamster: since Notepad++ tells me when a file is changed externally |
| 19:11.04 | Aidamina | global keyhook and focused application checking the class |
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| 19:11.15 | End | notepad++ might just be checking the timestamp thogh |
| 19:11.16 | Josh_Borke | Aidamina: i'm talking about in game |
| 19:11.20 | End | periodically |
| 19:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Aidamina: do it on the DirectX level, watching keyboard and mouse... as long as you never directly touch WoW, they can't really touch you |
| 19:11.26 | wereHamster | MentalPower, it could be polling ;) |
| 19:11.29 | End | thee probably -is- a way though |
| 19:11.32 | End | there* |
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| 19:11.55 | End | I see a FileSystemWatcher class in .NET |
| 19:12.16 | Aidamina | yeah |
| 19:12.20 | laindir | aidamina, I'm assuming then that you want to do your identifications in realtime? |
| 19:12.46 | Aidamina | yeah preferably with a <3s latency |
| 19:13.33 | wereHamster | why exactly do you need that latency? you said there would be no direct feedback to the user? |
| 19:14.24 | [Liquidor] | Checkout my new warrior gear http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7053/wowscrnshot010808200948dv9.jpg :-) |
| 19:14.58 | End | nice pants |
| 19:15.10 | End | my warrior has pants like that too |
| 19:15.12 | malreth | at least your crotch is protected |
| 19:15.13 | End | only one problem |
| 19:15.21 | End | my warrior is a level 20 male orc :( |
| 19:15.51 | malreth | make sure you shave your bikini area, tho |
| 19:16.18 | Aidamina | The realtime'ness of it has todo with the way my engine behavioural engine works |
| 19:16.43 | Aidamina | I've used it for other applications too |
| 19:17.06 | Esamynn|Work | [Liquidor]: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070922 |
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| 19:17.11 | Aidamina | and i don't feel like rewriting it just because WOW thinks its special |
| 19:17.13 | Duman | thank god the bug forum has a 30s post timer |
| 19:17.20 | laindir | well, you could always create a parsing application that would feed a log to your engine by timestamp in post- |
| 19:17.22 | wereHamster | you can simulate realtime'ness by using the timestamps from the combatlog.. ? |
| 19:17.30 | Aidamina | i much rather write an adapter for wow to fit my engine then rewrite my whole engine |
| 19:17.45 | Aidamina | could be if the flushes were regular and predictable |
| 19:18.04 | Aidamina | but i checked and they seem to be fairly random |
| 19:18.09 | [Liquidor] | heh Esamynn|Work |
| 19:18.29 | malreth | Esamynn|Work: you know... there are probably some people who get really turned on by dismemberment |
| 19:18.35 | wereHamster | you will have to adapt you engine for wow.. whether you feed it live data from captured images, or captured network packets, or a plaintext file |
| 19:18.39 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart malreth |
| 19:18.39 | purl | puts malreth through a wood chipper |
| 19:18.52 | malreth | i've been fargoed |
| 19:19.17 | [Liquidor] | http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/649/wowscrnshot010808200918pk9.jpg |
| 19:19.41 | Esamynn|Work | LOL |
| 19:19.44 | malreth | uh... |
| 19:20.09 | malreth | so your bathing suit area is basically hidden with what... fur? |
| 19:20.23 | Aidamina | wereHamster: I would have to adapt my engine, i will have to write an adaptor |
| 19:21.00 | wereHamster | I'd say that will be easier than trying to hack into wow |
| 19:22.21 | MentalPower | "your bathing suit area" <--So prude... |
| 19:22.33 | Aidamina | I might have an idea |
| 19:22.48 | Aidamina | you can load mp3's in wow right? |
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| 19:23.40 | Aidamina | i figure they would use some kind of os function to check if the file exists |
| 19:24.05 | Duman | yes, but they have to live in the addon's subfolder |
| 19:24.12 | Aidamina | yeah i read that |
| 19:24.16 | wereHamster | Aidamina, your engine has to keep track of timestamps internally, right? to keep track of how log it takes between two actions? Simply read the timestamps from the file instead of generating those internally.. |
| 19:24.53 | End | or, worse, if you have to, read the file back in realtime to your engine after you exit WoW :P |
| 19:25.10 | wereHamster | $ cat combatlog | adaptor | your-engine |
| 19:25.40 | Aidamina | well im gonna research the mp3 idea a bit first |
| 19:25.56 | laindir | aidamina, well good luck :) |
| 19:26.05 | Aidamina | thanks for your advice everyone |
| 19:26.20 | MentalPower | hey! I'm actually good at it ;) |
| 19:26.22 | malreth | aaah! don't ------- that ------ to the -------- or even the ---------!! |
| 19:26.27 | Aidamina | if i succeed in making an addon that talks to the "outside |
| 19:26.37 | Aidamina | " world i'll be sure to release it |
| 19:26.58 | malreth | talk to the outside? that's easy |
| 19:27.20 | malreth | we discussed that... last week? week before? |
| 19:27.30 | wereHamster | back to square one, heh :) |
| 19:28.02 | malreth | the original idea was from months ago... over a year, i think |
| 19:29.39 | Lunessa | My virgin eyes and my lawful neutral nature are highly traumatized. |
| 19:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa. |
| 19:32.13 | Esamynn|Work | haha |
| 19:33.41 | Lunessa | Ahhh... the sweet smell of success. I got Peppy talking. |
| 19:35.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Ice Block in 26 minutes...... mmmmmmmmmmmmm.......... |
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| 19:35.58 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet fun, |Jelly|. *hug* |
| 19:36.22 | MentalPower | grr... How the hell does one video file play from the cd, and the same exact file copied to the HDD does not play (both have the same SHA-1 hash) |
| 19:36.27 | |Jelly| | So I just laughed out loud picturing a blood elf tackle-hugging a gnome. |
| 19:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I stopped reading at the "blood elf" part |
| 19:38.39 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, incorectly copied |
| 19:38.46 | |Jelly| | I stopped reading after the 'stopped' part. |
| 19:38.48 | Thunder_Child | and or DRM |
| 19:38.53 | malreth | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/202/?src=rss |
| 19:39.10 | malreth | excellent video |
| 19:39.53 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: they have the same SHA-1 |
| 19:40.23 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, that covers both? |
| 19:40.52 | End | malreth: yeah, I saw that |
| 19:41.05 | MentalPower | yes, both copies of the file, the one still in the CD and the one copied to the HDD share the same hash |
| 19:41.11 | MentalPower | hence my confusion |
| 19:41.14 | malreth | end: i regret never throwing spears as a child |
| 19:42.03 | [Liquidor] | I forgot take off the shirt hehe : http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6074/wowscrnshot010808203550ht4.jpg |
| 19:42.26 | malreth | i did everything else as a kid that he mentions in the video |
| 19:42.57 | malreth | although the DMCA didn't exist back then |
| 19:45.09 | malreth | i fully support his idea of letting children play with fire... you learn so much by doing that |
| 19:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | First batch of servers are up |
| 19:46.15 | ScytheBlade1 | And another! |
| 19:46.26 | Industrial | cladhaire: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info8082-LyLockTheWarlocksRule.html |
| 19:46.30 | Industrial | he didnt make it? |
| 19:46.47 | cladhaire | thanks, not sure how it made it through |
| 19:47.43 | malreth | wha-wha-what? |
| 19:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | You have learned a new spell: Ice Block |
| 19:47.56 | malreth | some dude just uploading random addons from other sites? |
| 19:47.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmmm |
| 19:48.17 | cncfanatics | ScytheBlade1, respecced frost or did you just get it for free ? |
| 19:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: free |
| 19:48.27 | malreth | it's free now, cncfanatics |
| 19:48.33 | Duman | auth servers must be broked |
| 19:48.37 | malreth | even warriors get it now |
| 19:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Borked? Nah |
| 19:48.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Overloaded? Maybe |
| 19:48.45 | Lopeppeppy | Duman, that would not be surprising. |
| 19:48.46 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm not having a problem with it |
| 19:48.50 | Duman | well, overloaded->borked ;) |
| 19:48.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That I can give you ;) |
| 19:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | All of the hungry mages rushing to a trainer |
| 19:49.13 | Duman | hahah |
| 19:49.16 | Duman | no kidding |
| 19:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "Need.. Ice... Block..." |
| 19:49.20 | Duman | ZOMG ICE BLOCK@#*&@# |
| 19:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I've already bought it and got it keybound ;P |
| 19:49.29 | cncfanatics | no shit sherlock |
| 19:49.38 | cncfanatics | fire spec with iceblock is gonna be fun |
| 19:49.53 | ScytheBlade1 | As someone who is 57 points deep into fire |
| 19:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to agree with you |
| 19:50.01 | cncfanatics | 57 in fire ? |
| 19:50.03 | malreth | ice block was so much more cool before everyone got it |
| 19:50.05 | cncfanatics | wtf ? get that in arcane |
| 19:50.09 | ScytheBlade1 | NO U |
| 19:50.12 | Duman | haha |
| 19:50.19 | malreth | !c us Silver Hand Kyleigh |
| 19:50.20 | cladhaire | malreth: not exactly.. but people want addons on the site they use |
| 19:50.27 | cladhaire | people do it all the time, but normally we catch them |
| 19:50.31 | cladhaire | since we don't allow that |
| 19:50.31 | cncfanatics | !c eu bronze dragonflight cncfanatics |
| 19:50.35 | ThraeBot | malreth: Kyleigh, Level 70 Human Mage (5/0/56). 5543 HP; 7316 Mana; 162 mana regen; 6 mp5; 181 spell crit; 78 spell hit; 536 +spell dmg/heal; 179 frost dmg (715); 179 shadow dmg (715); 4.98% dodge;[[ TBR: 775 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2yd9nj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ks728 ][ Updated: Tue Jan 8 14:56:29 2008 EST ]] |
| 19:50.39 | cladhaire | if the author wants to upload it to us, they can :P |
| 19:50.39 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Cncfanatics, Level 70 Undead Mage (18/42/1). 7153 HP; 9761 Mana; 154 mana regen; 92 mp5; 110 spell crit; 50 spell hit; 599 +spell dmg/heal; 4.94% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10); +28 all resists (+10 shadow);[[ TBR: 980 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2xlrry ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36zmhc ][ Updated: Tue Jan 8 14:56:33 2008 EST ]] |
| 19:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | !c us doomhammer sbo |
| 19:51.02 | ThraeBot | ScytheBlade1: Sbo, Level 70 Gnome Mage (1/57/3). 7663 HP; 8621 Mana; 175 mana regen; 6 mp5; 130 spell crit; 115 spell hit; 852 +spell dmg/heal; 5.14% dodge; 50 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1017 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2jmwgj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/yruwso ][ Updated: Tue Jan 8 14:56:56 2008 EST ]] |
| 19:51.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's my riding crop |
| 19:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Normally I have +905 dmg |
| 19:51.24 | *** part/#wowi-lounge TS|Skrom_ (n=TS|Skrom@mail.shippingu.com) |
| 19:51.38 | cncfanatics | didn't login my mage since 2 months after BC got released, FYI |
| 19:51.42 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion jelly |
| 19:52.47 | Lopeppeppy | Fire is warm. |
| 19:52.50 | Lopeppeppy | Warm is good. |
| 19:52.55 | Cairenn | agreed |
| 19:52.58 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: jelly is not the character you are looking for! |
| 19:53.01 | Esamynn|Work | yay fire! |
| 19:55.55 | malreth | http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jan/07/personalfinancenews.scamsandfraud |
| 19:58.27 | Esamynn|Work | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:58.42 | malreth | saw it on boingboing |
| 19:58.48 | malreth | it's a great article |
| 19:59.22 | Shirik | grrrr |
| 19:59.26 | Shirik | why is Drenden still not up! |
| 19:59.40 | Lopeppeppy | It's hateful and knows you're bored? |
| 19:59.42 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: blizzard hates you |
| 19:59.42 | Shirik | They broked it =( |
| 20:00.00 | malreth | it's because of your sins |
| 20:00.13 | malreth | you touched yourself last time you went to the bathroom |
| 20:00.21 | Esamynn|Work | ... |
| 20:00.27 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart malreth |
| 20:00.27 | purl | blames malreth for all the evil in the world |
| 20:00.41 | malreth | somehow... i think i cause no end of mental pain for Esamynn|Work |
| 20:01.36 | Esamynn|Work | malreth: nah, you don't cause me pain, you just deserve to be larted for every other sentence :P |
| 20:01.44 | Esamynn|Work | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Chocolate! |
| 20:01.53 | Esamynn|Work | malreth: MORE! |
| 20:02.07 | malreth | enjoy the chocolate for now... for everything that i give, i take away some sanity |
| 20:02.43 | Esamynn|Work | you're assuming I have sanity left for you to take :P |
| 20:02.55 | Thunder_Child | damn, beat me to it Esamynn|Work |
| 20:03.36 | malreth | Esamynn|Work: that's why i work so hard on you, in particular |
| 20:04.03 | malreth | there's still a bit of milk in that teet... gotta suck it dry |
| 20:04.27 | malreth | speaking figuratively, of course |
| 20:04.38 | malreth | you shouldn't suck anything dry |
| 20:04.56 | Esamynn|Work | malreth: you cannot have the sanity I have left, I have built impenetrable defenses around it, you don't have any hope |
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| 20:21.47 | cncfanatics | hmmm; anyone know why gnome would not show any applet icons ? |
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| 20:31.37 | malreth | so... the apple store's presentation of the new Mac Pro is interesting |
| 20:32.23 | malreth | every single product with a BTO option is listed as "From $Minimum_Price" |
| 20:32.28 | malreth | except for the Mac Pro |
| 20:32.46 | malreth | which is listed as "at $2799" |
| 20:33.04 | malreth | when you can knock $500 off the price by going with the quad core chip |
| 20:34.16 | sysrage | it's 8 cores? |
| 20:34.49 | malreth | dual quad core chips.. sorry |
| 20:35.07 | malreth | knock $500 off by going with a single quad core chip |
| 20:35.22 | sysrage | dual quad core.. 8 core... you say tomatoe.... |
| 20:36.01 | malreth | yeah.... 6 of one, half dozen of another |
| 20:36.17 | malreth | although a single-chip 8 core processor... |
| 20:39.02 | malreth | here's an interesting tidbit: http://ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/fox-dvd-ships-with-itunes-compatible-digital-file/ |
| 20:43.52 | sysrage | single chip 8 cores are gonna be out soon actually |
| 20:44.58 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773254400&sid=1 |
| 20:45.27 | cogwheel | BTW: now that I can't get on peoples cases you'll see me ranting in here a lot more :P |
| 20:47.15 | malreth | oooh! |
| 20:47.23 | malreth | your anger makes me delicious |
| 20:50.17 | Lunessa | Yes, my young apprentice, let your hate flow and make you powerful. |
| 20:50.37 | malreth | gah... |
| 20:51.15 | malreth | that guy's post is like a bizarre bastardization of functional and procedural concepts |
| 20:51.18 | Lunessa | did he /really/ just code a function to give himself ternery operations? |
| 20:51.50 | wereHamster | *cry* why won't wow save a table with tables as keys... --[[ skipped entry with table key ]] |
| 20:52.43 | End | because silly pants! |
| 20:52.46 | malreth | wereHamster: answer - don't do that in your SVs. bad addon developer. |
| 20:52.56 | malreth | bad *smack* bad bad *smack |
| 20:52.56 | End | my answer was far better |
| 20:53.13 | Josh_Borke | don't save tables as keys... |
| 20:53.14 | wereHamster | why bad? there's pairs() |
| 20:53.46 | malreth | wow doesn't use a lua interpreter to read in the SV |
| 20:53.47 | Josh_Borke | how would you load it/save it in the table? |
| 20:54.20 | Josh_Borke | lua> t={ [{ 'fred', 'george' }] = "test" } print(t) |
| 20:54.20 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: { [{ "fred", "george" } (#2)] = "test" } (#1) |
| 20:55.01 | malreth | wereHamster: also, you can't use a function as a table key in a SV |
| 20:55.49 | wereHamster | I know that, because a function can only be saved in binary form, but tables can be saved like any other keys |
| 20:55.50 | malreth | the SV parser was written so as to keep people from loading lua code when the saved variables got loaded |
| 20:56.16 | malreth | i know that's not very relevant to using tables as keys in a table |
| 20:56.24 | wereHamster | SV.. it's all lua code, isn't it? |
| 20:56.30 | malreth | but it was written to be pretty bare-bones |
| 20:56.56 | malreth | wereHamster: it may be valid Lua, but it's not read by a Lua interpreter. |
| 20:57.11 | malreth | i believe it's parsed in C now... custom written code |
| 20:57.22 | malreth | happened several patches ago |
| 20:57.35 | wereHamster | basically I have { [{opt1,opt2,...}]=[[return function(arg1) return arg1=="??" end]] } |
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| 20:58.15 | wereHamster | then I parse it and loadstring() the function |
| 20:58.49 | malreth | yeah... sorry. i believe it used to be possible, however |
| 20:59.13 | malreth | he'll remember why |
| 20:59.37 | wereHamster | bah, never mind, I'll change that to [opt1] = { { opt2, opt3, ... }, [[return fuction() ... end]] } |
| 21:01.41 | AU518987077 | hello there |
| 21:01.54 | laindir | hello :) |
| 21:02.09 | AU518987077 | i was wondering |
| 21:02.43 | AU518987077 | nwo that i got beastial wrath for my pet,is ther ea way i coudl edit my macro to make me yell Release the beast within when i use my beastal wrath macro command, |
| 21:02.49 | AU518987077 | opps forgot to spellcheck |
| 21:03.33 | AU518987077 | now that i got beastial wrath for my pet,is there ea way i could edit my macro to make me yell Release the beast within when i use my beastial wrath macro command, |
| 21:04.28 | AU518987077 | heres my current macro |
| 21:04.30 | AU518987077 | http://wowi.pastey.net/80334 |
| 21:05.23 | Cide | first thing |
| 21:05.25 | malreth | Look for an addon called Aftercast |
| 21:05.30 | Cide | will you please change your name? |
| 21:05.41 | AU518987077 | me, change my name? why? |
| 21:05.49 | Cide | because it's annoying and has a bunch of numbers |
| 21:05.55 | Cide | so it looks like all caps |
| 21:06.01 | laindir | Iriel's AfterCast: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4167 |
| 21:06.03 | AU518987077 | its a serial number |
| 21:06.08 | Cide | I don't care :) |
| 21:06.12 | AU518987077 | i do |
| 21:06.19 | AU518987077 | im allowed to the right of fre speach |
| 21:06.41 | Cide | good for you. I'm from Sweden. we don't have free speech here |
| 21:06.52 | AU518987077 | im in canada |
| 21:07.01 | cogwheel | ~nickometer AU518987077 |
| 21:07.03 | malreth | AU518987077: laindir posted the addon you need |
| 21:07.13 | cogwheel | ^ that's why :P |
| 21:07.17 | AU518987077 | so |
| 21:07.17 | Esamynn|Work | haha |
| 21:07.18 | End | that's pretty lame! |
| 21:07.22 | AU518987077 | nerds are supposed to be lame |
| 21:07.25 | Esamynn|Work | no |
| 21:07.29 | Esamynn|Work | nerds are cool, moron |
| 21:07.31 | malreth | oh please... lay off the name and just answer his question |
| 21:07.33 | laindir | ooo! cogwheel, me next me next XD |
| 21:07.39 | Thunder_Child | besides, while there is freedom of speech there are also rules to thie channel |
| 21:07.40 | AU518987077 | anyways |
| 21:07.46 | cogwheel | laindir: you can do it yourself :P |
| 21:07.48 | Thunder_Child | the* |
| 21:07.50 | Cide | no anyways |
| 21:07.59 | Cide | I won't help anyone with a nick like that |
| 21:08.04 | Esamynn|Work | ~nickometer laindir |
| 21:08.07 | Cide | but others are, apparently, so go for it |
| 21:08.08 | AU518987077 | woui tried soemthign like/y [mod:alt] Release teh beast within, but it yells that when ever i use my macro |
| 21:08.15 | wereHamster | that's a hell of a reason cide |
| 21:08.22 | malreth | AU518987077: get AfterCast: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4167-AfterCast.html |
| 21:08.29 | Cide | wereHamster: hmm? |
| 21:08.36 | AU518987077 | i dotn care abotu yellign before or after i cast |
| 21:08.48 | AU518987077 | jstu that it says it onyl when i use Alt+4 |
| 21:08.49 | laindir | aftercast checks to make sure it was successful |
| 21:08.52 | wereHamster | 'I won't help anyone with a nick like that' |
| 21:09.04 | AU518987077 | you dotn have to help me, you jsut have to help yourself help me |
| 21:09.23 | Cide | wereHamster: I wish people were as much of an asshole as I am |
| 21:09.27 | Cide | it'd make the world a better place |
| 21:09.28 | malreth | Aftercast will make sure that you only say that when you cast Beastial Wrath |
| 21:09.33 | AU518987077 | ok then |
| 21:09.36 | Thunder_Child | Cide, i am |
| 21:09.39 | AU518987077 | you got a link for curse.com? |
| 21:09.42 | malreth | no |
| 21:09.43 | malreth | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4167-AfterCast.html |
| 21:09.53 | wereHamster | Cide, wishful thinking, we all have it from time to time.. |
| 21:09.59 | AU518987077 | im to goign back there after i got a virus form their addon packages |
| 21:10.05 | Beladona | I hath returned |
| 21:10.08 | Esamynn|Work | O_o |
| 21:10.15 | Esamynn|Work | you got a virus from wowi? |
| 21:10.17 | malreth | suit yourself... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4167-AfterCast.html is the place to get it |
| 21:10.20 | End | Thunder_Child: no, you're -more- of an asshole |
| 21:10.27 | Thunder_Child | End, works for me |
| 21:10.31 | Cide | End: what? UNPOSSIBLE |
| 21:10.31 | End | :P |
| 21:11.04 | Lunessa | Cide: You're not allowed to be as big an asshole as I - the universe would implode, and since it hasn't, QED.. bitches. |
| 21:11.10 | kd3 | woowoo, fire mage w/ ice block |
| 21:11.12 | kd3 | <3 |
| 21:11.17 | End | lol |
| 21:11.38 | Thunder_Child | fine then the order goes like TC > Lunessa > Cide |
| 21:11.56 | Cide | Lunessa: circular reasoning ftw |
| 21:12.06 | Esamynn|Work | so what, we're rating ppl's assholishness on a scale now? |
| 21:12.12 | Lunessa | Told you I was an asshole. |
| 21:12.14 | End | apparently |
| 21:12.16 | Thunder_Child | no scale, just greaterthan |
| 21:12.23 | End | that's still I scale I think |
| 21:12.29 | Cide | I establish peppy as the frame of reference |
| 21:12.31 | End | not a fixed scale, but still a scale |
| 21:12.54 | Cide | everyone shall measure their assholishness relative to hers |
| 21:13.11 | Thunder_Child | everyone will be greater |
| 21:13.13 | Shirik | that's like setting the absolute zero |
| 21:13.13 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:13.16 | Shirik | not even fair |
| 21:13.21 | End | yea, find the median asshole |
| 21:13.21 | Cide | it makes it easier! |
| 21:13.31 | End | the median asshole is what we need to find |
| 21:13.50 | Lunessa | I don't want anyone near the median of my asshole, thank you very much. |
| 21:14.06 | Esamynn|Work | how about this, You're ALL assholes! <mutter> morons </mutter> |
| 21:14.09 | AU518987077 | melreth any idea why that add on hasn't been updated in 1 year on curse? |
| 21:14.18 | Cide | Esamynn|Work: You have gained 30 assholishness rating. |
| 21:14.21 | laindir | end, no we just need more points on the curve... 1 more if our units of assholeishness are linear |
| 21:14.27 | Cide | You are now Senior Asshole! |
| 21:14.29 | End | lol |
| 21:14.36 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Cide |
| 21:14.36 | purl | takes out Cide with the trash |
| 21:14.49 | Cide | I think it should be a logarithmic curve |
| 21:15.13 | Cide | given that people (albeit ignorantly) have a hard time quantifying high levels of assholishness |
| 21:15.15 | Esamynn|Work | this discussion is so inherently nerdy, it's actually somewhat painful :P |
| 21:15.31 | End | :) |
| 21:15.31 | Thunder_Child | but..nerds arent assholes |
| 21:15.44 | End | hah |
| 21:15.45 | Esamynn|Work | Thunder_Child: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:15.47 | End | hahah |
| 21:16.04 | laindir | thunder_child: they're not mutually exclusive either ~.^ |
| 21:16.11 | Cide | given that people (albeit ignorantly) have a hard time quantifying high levels of assholishness |
| 21:16.17 | Cide | err |
| 21:16.18 | Cide | wrong window |
| 21:16.33 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 21:16.43 | Thunder_Child | repeating the confo cide? |
| 21:16.47 | Thunder_Child | convo* |
| 21:16.47 | Cide | no |
| 21:17.01 | Cide | I was issuing the same command in a shell |
| 21:17.05 | Cide | (up-enter) |
| 21:17.13 | Cide | with the wrong window focused |
| 21:17.25 | cogwheel | thank you, malrethy poo |
| 21:17.36 | malreth | always |
| 21:17.53 | Cide | it really was a stupid nick |
| 21:18.01 | cogwheel | he's been here before |
| 21:18.07 | Esamynn|Work | oh? |
| 21:18.09 | Cide | well I wasn't around |
| 21:18.10 | malreth | yeah |
| 21:18.10 | laindir | think it's a girl actually, she's been here before |
| 21:18.14 | Beladona | wdn updated |
| 21:18.16 | malreth | japanese person |
| 21:18.21 | cogwheel | (s)he's been here before |
| 21:18.24 | Cide | she had it coming |
| 21:18.24 | cogwheel | HAPPY?! |
| 21:18.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Beladona: yay |
| 21:18.26 | Cide | with that nick |
| 21:18.28 | Beladona | not that anything changed from test |
| 21:18.31 | cogwheel | :P |
| 21:18.43 | Shirik | what's my asshole rating? |
| 21:18.45 | ScytheBlade1 | As sarcastic as that sounds, the wdn is the reason why I'll never touch the UI "kit" ;P |
| 21:18.54 | ScytheBlade1 | So thanks ^^ |
| 21:18.54 | Beladona | hehe |
| 21:18.59 | malreth | Shirik: your asshole rating is "triangle" |
| 21:19.01 | cogwheel | Shirik: Grade A++ Goatse? |
| 21:19.06 | Shirik | >< |
| 21:19.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ triangle and goatse |
| 21:19.12 | End | that's nothing, my asshole rating is "Tree" |
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| 21:19.16 | Beladona | it makes things easier for me. So I assume it does other people too |
| 21:19.16 | End | I don't even know what that means! |
| 21:19.24 | cncfanatics | yeeey, WoW back on linux |
| 21:19.53 | Lunessa | afk fooding back soon |
| 21:20.01 | cncfanatics | anyone got tips on how to improve WoW framerate btw ? |
| 21:20.10 | Esamynn|Work | Cide: yes, that nick was lame, and he just pissed my off by saying nerds are lame, I mean WTF, by extension he just call all of us lame! |
| 21:20.25 | cncfanatics | talking about ? |
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| 21:20.35 | ScytheBlade1 | .. |
| 21:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome |
| 21:20.53 | AU518987077 | melreth |
| 21:21.00 | malreth | that's me! |
| 21:21.01 | AU518987077 | soryr botu that, got disconnected |
| 21:21.07 | AU518987077 | ok i got the addon installed |
| 21:21.08 | Cide | no worries |
| 21:21.09 | Cide | now |
| 21:21.14 | Cide | change your name or people won't help you |
| 21:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Seriously |
| 21:21.29 | wereHamster | s/people/I/ |
| 21:21.30 | malreth | i'll help you |
| 21:21.30 | Thunder_Child | i had to change mine :( |
| 21:21.36 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: liar |
| 21:21.37 | Cide | god damnit. |
| 21:21.44 | AU518987077 | im in canada i got rights to free speach |
| 21:21.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 21:21.55 | Cide | talk as much as you want, as long as you change your nick. |
| 21:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | How unrelated |
| 21:21.59 | Thunder_Child | this channel is a law unto it's self |
| 21:22.03 | AU518987077 | melreth, waht do i add to http://wowi.pastey.net/80334 to make me yell a message |
| 21:22.14 | AU518987077 | with the after cast |
| 21:22.15 | Beladona | I remember that Thunder_Child, but what was it before? I forgot |
| 21:22.27 | Thunder_Child | Beladona, same thing but in all caps |
| 21:22.33 | Beladona | ahh |
| 21:22.37 | Esamynn|Work | AU518987077: the instructions are included with the mod, RTFM |
| 21:22.40 | End | I..kinda remember now I think... |
| 21:22.52 | Cide | TC31415IMSTUCKINAUNIVERSEFACTORY926535 |
| 21:22.54 | Cide | was his nick |
| 21:22.56 | End | lol |
| 21:23.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:23.15 | Esamynn|Work | ... |
| 21:23.26 | Cide | I forgot the 'HELP' part :/ oh well |
| 21:23.28 | cncfanatics | someone update me on what's happening ? :p |
| 21:23.38 | Thunder_Child | then i changed it to CIDE_IS_A_DOUCHE |
| 21:23.43 | Thunder_Child | didnt work so well |
| 21:23.44 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 21:23.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ... so tempted to change it to that right now |
| 21:23.54 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm in several other channels :/ |
| 21:24.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Touche |
| 21:24.18 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart I_AM_A_DOUCHE |
| 21:24.18 | purl | smacks I_AM_A_DOUCHE up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 21:24.19 | malreth | AU518987077: http://wowi.pastey.net/80337 |
| 21:24.38 | malreth | should work as requested |
| 21:24.48 | I_AM_A_DOUCHE | ScytheBlade1: "Touché", noob. |
| 21:24.49 | laindir | malreth: that looks like it'll still cast on Hunter's Mark |
| 21:25.02 | malreth | hm... dunno |
| 21:25.09 | cncfanatics | sigh, are you going to make me read chatlogs or will someone tell me what happened ? |
| 21:25.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I_AM_A_DOUCHE: wow. I don't know if I've ever been owned by a douche quite like that before. |
| 21:25.15 | malreth | lemme think about that |
| 21:25.21 | malreth | you might be right, laindir |
| 21:25.35 | Esamynn|Work | cncfanatics: probably better for your sanity that you don't know |
| 21:25.35 | I_AM_A_DOUCHE | cncfanatics: rtfl. |
| 21:25.36 | malreth | since /aftercast applies to the next spellcast |
| 21:25.48 | cncfanatics | I will know anyway, will read chatlogs :p |
| 21:25.50 | Esamynn|Work | ~fishslap I_AM_A_DOUCHE |
| 21:25.51 | purl | ACTION slaps I_AM_A_DOUCHE up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:26.00 | cncfanatics | so, just tell me |
| 21:26.17 | Esamynn|Work | only the log will do it justice |
| 21:29.12 | AU518987077 | melreth,that macro didn't make me say anything |
| 21:29.24 | AU518987077 | nto with any of the modifiers |
| 21:29.39 | Cide | I HAVE RETURNED |
| 21:29.43 | Cide | AU518987077: GET OUT OF MY HOUSE |
| 21:29.45 | AU518987077 | caps |
| 21:29.51 | laindir | lulz |
| 21:29.52 | Cide | no shit. |
| 21:30.08 | AU518987077 | thsi isnt your house hun |
| 21:30.13 | AU518987077 | thsi is everybodies house |
| 21:30.17 | Esamynn|Work | AU518987077: I don't think you have any right to call people on caps |
| 21:30.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Except that someone owns this house |
| 21:30.28 | malreth | actually, it is Cide's house. |
| 21:30.33 | wereHamster | why is my nich 8% lame? what's lame in it? |
| 21:30.36 | malreth | http://wowi.pastey.net/80337 |
| 21:30.42 | End | probably the middle H |
| 21:30.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And while Cide is a douche (lulz), the owners of the house apparently like him (?!) |
| 21:30.47 | malreth | i guess you could do it this way |
| 21:30.53 | Cairenn | actually, it's MY house and this is stupid |
| 21:31.07 | End | nickmoeter werehamster |
| 21:31.11 | Cairenn | AU518987077: your nick is annoying as hell, please change it, out of courtesy |
| 21:31.12 | End | ~nickometer werehamster |
| 21:31.21 | End | yeah, it's the capital H |
| 21:31.25 | malreth | and thus it be said |
| 21:31.34 | malreth | lo, she speaks and it is mighty |
| 21:31.45 | wereHamster | I like the capital H .. |
| 21:31.56 | Esamynn|Work | ~hail Cairenn |
| 21:31.57 | purl | ACTION bows down to Cairenn and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 21:32.04 | End | I don't think your capital H is bothering anyone :P |
| 21:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm literally rofl'ing now |
| 21:32.18 | ScytheBlade1 | So glad the room is empty, I'd be getting looks |
| 21:32.21 | Esamynn|Work | then how are you typing? |
| 21:32.23 | Cairenn | must be hard to type |
| 21:32.27 | Cairenn | lol Esamynn|Work |
| 21:32.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, point |
| 21:32.50 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:32.52 | cncfanatics | sigh at this |
| 21:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 21:33.06 | laindir | "I was literally rofl'ing recently" fixed? |
| 21:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Refer to previous statement |
| 21:34.06 | Cide | he was typing with his mind. |
| 21:34.12 | End | I type with my mind |
| 21:34.21 | Cide | I don't. |
| 21:34.28 | Cide | hence why I spew random bullshit most of the time |
| 21:34.44 | End | unfortunately, I need conduits |
| 21:34.46 | Esamynn|Work | ahh, so you type with a bull's ass? |
| 21:34.58 | Cide | one could say that, yeah |
| 21:34.59 | End | I must channel my mind energies through my hands |
| 21:36.51 | Narusegewa | is this better? |
| 21:36.53 | End | yes! |
| 21:37.05 | End | I still can't pronounce it... |
| 21:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey my eyes quit bleeding |
| 21:37.10 | End | but I have a chance now! |
| 21:37.17 | Cairenn | thank you |
| 21:37.20 | Cide | yes, thank you |
| 21:37.21 | kd3 | hey, woo love hina |
| 21:37.44 | kd3 | her name's pronounced "nah roo seg ah wa" |
| 21:37.51 | Narusegewa | actually its ラブã²ãª |
| 21:38.05 | Narusegewa | rabu hina,not love hina |
| 21:38.07 | Esamynn|Work | ~nickometer Narusegewa |
| 21:38.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sag_ich_nicht (i=bitch2k@85.127.102.134) |
| 21:38.24 | Cide | vast improvement. /clap |
| 21:38.34 | malreth | yeah... i think it should be Narusegawa too... |
| 21:39.12 | bleeter | and by demand... I mean... now |
| 21:39.24 | End | I lack coffee |
| 21:39.25 | bleeter | not some theoretical time in the future when we might bump into each other at a blizzcon or similar |
| 21:39.50 | bleeter | ~fail #wowi-lounge |
| 21:39.51 | purl | #wowi-lounge: Fail. |
| 21:39.51 | Esamynn|Work | ~cheeseslap bleeter |
| 21:39.51 | purl | ACTION slaps bleeter around with a wheel of cheddar |
| 21:39.55 | malreth | æˆç€¬å· if i'm not mistaken |
| 21:39.57 | Narusegewa | but i still prefer to be called AU518987077 |
| 21:40.03 | Cide | well, we don't |
| 21:40.26 | malreth | yes, but Narusegewa is easier to pronounce |
| 21:40.38 | Narusegewa | pronounce? |
| 21:40.41 | Narusegewa | how |
| 21:40.51 | Narusegewa | last tiem i checked, Chatzilla doent haev voice |
| 21:40.59 | Shirik | because AUwhateverthecrap isn't made up of syllables? |
| 21:41.15 | Narusegewa | of course it dotn haev sylibles,its a serial number |
| 21:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Well hate to disappoint |
| 21:41.28 | Shirik | then why would you say "how" |
| 21:41.32 | wereHamster | your SSN? |
| 21:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | We have names, not serial numbers |
| 21:41.44 | Cairenn | it's all moot guys, the conversation is over |
| 21:41.49 | Narusegewa | ok |
| 21:41.56 | Narusegewa | dropped liek a ton of feathers |
| 21:42.10 | Cairenn | request was made, request was honoured, now we all go happily on with our lives |
| 21:42.20 | Narusegewa | lives? |
| 21:42.20 | bleeter | Cairenn: I'm not happy |
| 21:42.24 | bleeter | no one gave me coffee |
| 21:42.26 | Esamynn|Work | what weighs more, a ton of bricks or a ton of feathers? |
| 21:42.28 | Narusegewa | i play world of warcraft 84 hours a week |
| 21:42.36 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: you're never happy, you work with wine and gaim devs ;P |
| 21:42.41 | cogwheel | Esamynn|Work: bricks! duh! |
| 21:42.42 | Esamynn|Work | haha |
| 21:42.48 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I ain't spoken to a gaim/pidgin dev in... ages |
| 21:42.55 | cncfanatics | someone running WoW on linux around ? having issues |
| 21:43.03 | Cairenn | that enough caffeine bleeter? |
| 21:43.05 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: improvement! |
| 21:43.16 | bleeter | actually, that's a lie... had a brief chat the other day with the lead of pidgin about some bands that were visiting his home town |
| 21:43.29 | cncfanatics | bleeter! you can help me with wine can't you ? |
| 21:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually use it on windows, kopete on linux, but eh |
| 21:43.55 | bleeter | cncfanatics: prolly not, but we (collectively, with other Winers in here) can try |
| 21:44.04 | cncfanatics | ok |
| 21:44.09 | cncfanatics | let me first try a few things |
| 21:44.40 | cncfanatics | ok, first |
| 21:44.45 | cncfanatics | when I start WoW, wine segfaults |
| 21:44.47 | cncfanatics | but continues anyway |
| 21:45.15 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 21:45.38 | cncfanatics | not funny |
| 21:45.40 | bleeter | distro wine, wine binary from winehq, or wine git? |
| 21:46.04 | cncfanatics | wine-0.9.52 |
| 21:46.06 | cncfanatics | from winehq |
| 21:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Binary though? Or did you build it? |
| 21:46.59 | bleeter | what's the bt of the crash say? |
| 21:47.17 | cncfanatics | binary |
| 21:47.29 | malreth | there's a reason why she uses that name, i found out |
| 21:47.48 | End | she uses it everywhere |
| 21:47.48 | cncfanatics | pastying it |
| 21:47.55 | bleeter | ah, if it's binary, it's prolly stripped of debugging symbols, to trying to get a bt might be pointless |
| 21:47.56 | malreth | she does... |
| 21:48.01 | Cide | oh |
| 21:48.03 | malreth | it's very googlable |
| 21:48.06 | cncfanatics | http://www.pastey.net/80343 |
| 21:48.08 | End | yes, it is |
| 21:48.11 | Cide | there's another soul in the world who likes to annoy people? |
| 21:48.16 | ScytheBlade1 | VERY googlable |
| 21:48.23 | malreth | extremely googlable |
| 21:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Leave it to this channel... |
| 21:48.36 | malreth | we're all stalkers |
| 21:48.45 | End | hey, I google everyone :P |
| 21:48.52 | malreth | me too! |
| 21:49.03 | malreth | End is apparently VERY prolific |
| 21:49.06 | End | haha |
| 21:49.11 | malreth | he's ALL over the place |
| 21:49.14 | cncfanatics | bleeter, got any ideas ? |
| 21:49.21 | cncfanatics | this is irritating me as it ran 15 mins ago |
| 21:49.23 | cncfanatics | slowly, but it ran |
| 21:49.35 | End | Results 1 - 10 of about 1,130,000,000 for End |
| 21:49.37 | End | hmm... |
| 21:49.45 | cncfanatics | btw, after the segfault, it continues running as normal but locks up |
| 21:50.01 | malreth | however, she does fail... i'm even more googlable |
| 21:50.14 | malreth | i've got 441 versus her 336 |
| 21:50.16 | Cide | hey, I think I found her IP |
| 21:50.21 | malreth | using my real name |
| 21:50.25 | End | Cide, it's IRC |
| 21:50.29 | malreth | yeah |
| 21:50.29 | End | you have it anyways |
| 21:50.31 | bleeter | cncfanatics: hmm, does it continue to do that if you restart your X? |
| 21:50.34 | Cide | oh, true |
| 21:50.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:50.37 | cncfanatics | bleeter, gonna try |
| 21:50.38 | Cide | wait, do we? |
| 21:50.39 | End | 8-) |
| 21:50.40 | malreth | good try Cide |
| 21:50.42 | End | I think so |
| 21:50.43 | ScytheBlade1 | We do |
| 21:50.46 | End | she connected through chatzilla |
| 21:50.49 | End | and it wasn't masked |
| 21:50.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you got a mask from freenode |
| 21:50.51 | Cide | only if her hostmask reveals it |
| 21:50.52 | cncfanatics | restarting, brb |
| 21:50.57 | bleeter | cncfanatics: that's about my only guess, I'd take the bt to #winehq, or build from source... matter of interest, which distro? |
| 21:51.04 | cncfanatics | debian |
| 21:51.10 | Cide | other networks I'm on mask it automatically |
| 21:51.19 | Cide | as they should |
| 21:51.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Freenode does not |
| 21:51.37 | bleeter | hmmm |
| 21:51.38 | Cide | yep, I noticed |
| 21:52.18 | malreth | Cide: surely you found her wikipedia user page, tho |
| 21:52.27 | Cide | that was where I got it from |
| 21:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't decide if we're awesome or horrible. |
| 21:54.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cncfanatics (n=evolve@242.18-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 21:54.20 | End | a google of that ip gives a surprising number of results |
| 21:54.31 | cncfanatics | bleeter |
| 21:54.38 | cncfanatics | restarting X fixed the segfault, for some reason |
| 21:54.41 | Shirik | lol she got blocked from wikipedia |
| 21:54.46 | cncfanatics | would you mind explaining my why ? |
| 21:55.11 | End | ah, but that ip isn't that helpful |
| 21:55.17 | bleeter | cncfanatics: early in the BT, there's some stuff relating to X, so I took a wild stab in the dark that your X was 'left' in a screwed up state ;) |
| 21:55.31 | cncfanatics | I guess :p |
| 21:55.34 | cncfanatics | anywya, gonna go to bed |
| 21:55.35 | End | according to wikipedia, that ip is registered to "Calgary Roman Catholic School" |
| 21:55.45 | End | and it's different from the one she used here |
| 21:55.49 | cncfanatics | Cladhaire is a lifless f**k |
| 21:55.50 | bleeter | cncfanatics: before you head to bed, you may wish to consider building wine from source |
| 21:55.51 | End | anyways, I should stop now :P |
| 21:55.57 | cncfanatics | why is that in motw ? we all know that |
| 21:56.03 | cncfanatics | bleeter, I rly cba |
| 21:56.08 | cladhaire | Cladhaire is a lifless f**kl |
| 21:56.09 | cncfanatics | no time lately, school shit & stuff |
| 21:56.13 | cladhaire | Cairenn: did you see that conversation this morning? |
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| 21:56.25 | cncfanatics | cladhaire, why is that in chan msg ? |
| 21:56.34 | cladhaire | someone pastey this morning for him :P |
| 21:56.36 | cladhaire | cause it was fun |
| 21:56.38 | cladhaire | but i dont have it anymore |
| 21:56.39 | bleeter | well, even on my fastest machines it can take 10-15 mins to build, it's kinda like something to 'do' while yer afk ;) |
| 21:56.59 | Cairenn | cladhaire: don't think I did |
| 21:57.08 | End | did I see the conversation this morning? |
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| 21:58.01 | cladhaire | dunno |
| 21:58.04 | cladhaire | bleeter has it I bet |
| 21:58.06 | cncfanatics | bleeter, I'm going to bed now and might launch it tomorrow :p |
| 21:58.15 | End | what was it about? |
| 21:58.16 | cncfanatics | cladhaire, chat logs are online soon enough |
| 21:58.19 | cncfanatics | g'night |
| 21:58.28 | cladhaire | not another 2 hours right? |
| 21:59.59 | bleeter | cladhaire: what do I have? huh? |
| 22:00.06 | bleeter | i know what I don't have |
| 22:00.10 | bleeter | coffee from you! |
| 22:00.12 | cladhaire | the logs from me being a lifless f**k from this morning |
| 22:00.21 | bleeter | oh, prolly |
| 22:00.36 | bleeter | but you say this as if this morning was the only time you were lifeless |
| 22:00.50 | bleeter | if you want logs of you being lifeless, I can provide... but it's gunna be a big file :P |
| 22:01.16 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, we will all chip in and send you a starbuks gift card |
| 22:01.24 | Thunder_Child | so you will stop bitching |
| 22:01.48 | bleeter | starbucks? |
| 22:01.51 | Thunder_Child | assuming you have a starbuks |
| 22:02.05 | cladhaire | LIFLESS |
| 22:02.09 | cladhaire | is different from lifeless |
| 22:02.10 | cladhaire | GOD |
| 22:02.12 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, yes that |
| 22:02.33 | Esamynn|Work | ~calm cladhaire |
| 22:02.33 | purl | ACTION sooths cladhaire, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm cladhaire down. |
| 22:02.55 | bleeter | ohhhh. lifless |
| 22:03.11 | bleeter | is that related to being appoinated? 'coz apparently I'm that |
| 22:04.01 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: they opened here about 6 months ago... but I haven't bothered going inside yet. my regular coffee house's... erm... scenery is pleasant enough atm ;) |
| 22:04.17 | Thunder_Child | uh huh..scenery sure |
| 22:08.11 | Lunessa | Bleeter follows the cardinal rule of convenience shopping - go where the servers are physically enticing. |
| 22:08.31 | bleeter | this place has mentally enticing folks, too :) |
| 22:09.01 | Lunessa | should I be backing away? |
| 22:09.02 | malreth | working at a University, i swear i'm gonna go blind every time freshman orientation starts |
| 22:09.38 | malreth | one girl i worked with called it "the meat market" |
| 22:09.55 | Lunessa | malreth: No kidding brother. |
| 22:10.06 | Lunessa | Too bad they're off-limits. |
| 22:10.32 | malreth | too bad they're *annoying* |
| 22:10.52 | Lunessa | that too. |
| 22:10.58 | malreth | never date an 18-year old... |
| 22:11.04 | Lunessa | *cough* |
| 22:11.05 | malreth | well... maybe once |
| 22:11.12 | Lunessa | Dude, I'm vastly older than you. |
| 22:11.15 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.28 | bleeter | ~comfort Beladona |
| 22:11.29 | purl | There, there, Beladona. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:11.36 | Beladona | I want readycheck on my healbot |
| 22:11.36 | malreth | vast? what... by like 4 or 5 years? |
| 22:11.40 | Beladona | =P |
| 22:11.50 | Lunessa | 8 I think. |
| 22:11.54 | malreth | we're both over 30... that's all that matters. we're halfway to death |
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| 22:12.02 | malreth | might as well give up living now |
| 22:12.06 | Rayne | hrm |
| 22:12.15 | malreth | hi rayne |
| 22:12.23 | Lunessa | Actually, I'm past Last Day. I should have sandmen after me. |
| 22:12.24 | malreth | wanna help me? |
| 22:12.47 | Rayne | What with? |
| 22:13.12 | malreth | crap... Lunessa made a Logan's Run reference before i could get it in |
| 22:13.25 | Lunessa | WIN |
| 22:14.03 | |pez| | random question, if you have absolutely no graveyards in AV, where do you res? :P |
| 22:14.19 | malreth | starting point |
| 22:14.27 | bleeter | |pez|: I've been placed in the opposition cave once or twice |
| 22:14.41 | bleeter | but yes, should be in your own cave if it doesn'tr bug out like that |
| 22:14.50 | |pez| | Aha |
| 22:14.52 | |pez| | ok, thanks |
| 22:15.07 | |pez| | boyfriend is playing a an AV, and was wondering, since they're losing all their graveyards fast. :P |
| 22:15.18 | malreth | he must be Alliance! |
| 22:15.20 | malreth | :D |
| 22:15.37 | |pez| | Horde actually. |
| 22:15.53 | malreth | LIES! |
| 22:15.58 | |pez| | TRUTH1 |
| 22:15.59 | |pez| | ! |
| 22:16.04 | |pez| | they're in the lead though |
| 22:16.12 | |pez| | just got very few graveyards XD |
| 22:16.29 | malreth | i don't know the truth anymore (*cry*) |
| 22:16.35 | bleeter | make distclean && tools/wineinstall |
| 22:16.36 | bleeter | bah |
| 22:16.40 | End | the truth is multon |
| 22:16.47 | End | don't forget the truth! |
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| 22:18.03 | Intangir | why are yall always messing with your wine |
| 22:18.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it's what we do...? ;) |
| 22:18.32 | kd3 | wine is delicious |
| 22:18.52 | |pez| | I need to reinstall windows on this thing |
| 22:19.08 | malreth | |pez|: yeah... sorry about that... kinda |
| 22:19.23 | |pez| | malreth: .... |
| 22:20.03 | |pez| | I got new RAM today, but my computer is still struggling a bit, but it seems to be software issues rather than horrible performance by my computer. |
| 22:26.43 | Lunessa | omg cogwheel that guy with the ternary is nuts. He should give up on lua and write c. |
| 22:27.23 | cogwheel | It pissed me off so much more when I found out he was actually trying to /teach/ people that kind of thing... |
| 22:27.32 | Lunessa | post 28 - he builds a function to completely nuter one of the core strengths of lua. |
| 22:28.04 | wereHamster | since when does UIParent:GetWidth() change with the ui scale? |
| 22:28.12 | Lunessa | since 2.2 |
| 22:29.02 | Esamynn|Work | did they change it so that GetWidth = GetRight-GetLeft when the size is set by anchors? |
| 22:29.03 | wereHamster | is that for all frames that the scale changes the dimensions? |
| 22:29.50 | malreth | cogwheel: did you read that article i linked in that thread? |
| 22:29.59 | Lunessa | I didn't check it. Esamynn|Work |
| 22:30.19 | Esamynn|Work | just wondering why GetWidth would change with scale now, I didn't notice that change |
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| 22:31.49 | malreth | oop... gotta go. later everyone. |
| 22:32.09 | wereHamster | and GetScreenWidth returns a value that depends on the UI scale, but has no relation whatsoever to the screen resolution.. |
| 22:32.40 | wereHamster | GetScreenWidth() == UIParent:GetWidth() ?? |
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| 22:34.03 | cogwheel | malreth: working on it between tasks :) |
| 22:34.09 | cogwheel | moo |
| 22:34.18 | Esamynn|Work | wereHamster: sorry, it's been too long since I played with that stuff, I can't remember |
| 22:35.17 | Lunessa | scale !=resolution |
| 22:35.35 | bleeter | is it possible to disable the Blizz crash handler application, so that WoW won't dump memory then attempt to run the crash app? |
| 22:36.06 | MentalPower | not that I know of |
| 22:36.13 | bleeter | bummer |
| 22:36.49 | bleeter | might just have to write some daemon that monitors \Errors for new files that exceed, i dunno, 750KB and kill WoW if it happens |
| 22:37.28 | wereHamster | fix wine so that wow doesn't crash ;) |
| 22:37.50 | bleeter | wereHamster: you're better at fixing wine than me.. so... NO U! :P |
| 22:39.54 | wereHamster | is there a list of frame properties that :SetParent() affects? like scale etc.. |
| 22:40.49 | MentalPower | bleeter: my WoW only outputs around 500K for its dumps |
| 22:40.58 | MentalPower | why are yours so big? |
| 22:41.24 | wereHamster | you only have 640k ram, bleeter has gigs :P |
| 22:41.41 | MentalPower | ~lart wereHamster |
| 22:41.41 | purl | turns wereHamster into a lifesized tux doll |
| 22:41.57 | MentalPower | appropriate |
| 22:41.59 | MentalPower | ~botsnack |
| 22:41.59 | purl | MentalPower: aw, gee |
| 22:43.36 | bleeter | MentalPower: whenever it #132's (memory cannot be read), it's a huge dump. all other errors throw a small dump. |
| 22:44.09 | bleeter | so... /shrug |
| 22:44.18 | MentalPower | ah, I haven't had a 132 in a while |
| 22:44.31 | MentalPower | i can currently reproduce 311s tho |
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| 22:45.45 | wereHamster | I haven't seen a crash since a few months after release.. |
| 22:45.49 | bleeter | 'the' 311? from stubby? |
| 22:48.05 | MentalPower | bleeter: no, I never had *that* 311 |
| 22:48.11 | MentalPower | its another one |
| 22:48.22 | MentalPower | one caused by trying to concatenate huge-ass strings |
| 22:48.45 | MentalPower | like two 100MB+ strings |
| 22:49.11 | wereHamster | is UIParent always as big as the screen? if not, which frame is? or how to bind a frame to the top right corner of the screen, regardless of how UIFrame is moved/resized? |
| 22:49.27 | bleeter | should I feel bad for thinking that WoW's Lua string foo has ... a couple of issues ... when dealing with large amounts of data? |
| 22:49.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobwork (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:50.05 | MentalPower | large amounts, no. extreme amounts, yes |
| 22:50.11 | bleeter | Wobwork: ! happy new year bloke :0 |
| 22:50.27 | bleeter | MentalPower: my original phrasing got edited between the brain and the fingers ;) |
| 22:50.29 | MentalPower | wereHamster: no, none is, there's no way to guarantee that |
| 22:51.06 | MentalPower | the other "big" frame is WorldFrame |
| 22:51.09 | bleeter | MentalPower: I have no idea where I get this from, but something tells me the 'magic' number is 200MB |
| 22:51.15 | wereHamster | so how does WoW guarantee that UIParent is as big as the screen when I log in? |
| 22:51.30 | MentalPower | wereHamster: cause thats done in C-Land |
| 22:51.44 | MentalPower | actually, you can get screensize |
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| 22:51.47 | wereHamster | so there's no way to reanchor UIParent? |
| 22:52.18 | MentalPower | wereHamster: hold that thought, before I my foot in my mouth |
| 22:52.53 | wereHamster | you lost me somewhere between your foot and mouth :-/ |
| 22:53.07 | Tuller | UIParent:SetParent('parent")? |
| 22:53.29 | MentalPower | Tuller: what is that supposed to do? |
| 22:53.38 | wereHamster | it 'parent' a special value? |
| 22:54.00 | Tuller | MentalPower: eh I was thinking of reparenting :P |
| 22:54.13 | MentalPower | wereHamster: its not |
| 22:55.51 | Wobwork | bleeter: Happy new year, Bruce |
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| 23:00.36 | MentalPower | wereHamster: you can't reposition UIParent |
| 23:00.41 | MentalPower | its just not possible |
| 23:01.04 | MentalPower | UIParent:ClearAllPoints() just breaks the tooltip |
| 23:02.20 | MentalPower | and if you try to position it relative to any other frame one of two things happen |
| 23:02.45 | MentalPower | 1) if the frame is not positioned, UIParent is not moved |
| 23:03.29 | MentalPower | 2) if the frame is positioned, since its parent is eventually UIParent, it throws an error due to a cyclic dependency |
| 23:04.00 | haste | so... what if you use the WorldFrame, then anchor the UIParent to the frame which is anchored there? |
| 23:04.27 | MentalPower | hmm... thats a thought |
| 23:04.29 | MentalPower | lemme try that one |
| 23:04.44 | haste | you can reanchort the WorldFrame to a frame on the UIParent at least |
| 23:05.31 | haste | http://beverpung.net/meep/lolwut.avi << gives a funky effect :3 |
| 23:05.36 | JoshBorke | happy birthday Bela|afk |
| 23:05.41 | Bela|afk | ty |
| 23:05.48 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: happy lifeless f**k |
| 23:05.58 | zenzelezz | the name of that domain is... icky |
| 23:06.10 | |pez| | yeaah |
| 23:06.19 | haste | lies |
| 23:06.28 | JoshBorke | haste: that is funky |
| 23:06.47 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: lifless wut? |
| 23:07.01 | haste | zenzelezz: I bet the folder name and the filename helps also |
| 23:07.05 | MentalPower | I think he means fuck |
| 23:07.07 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: i dunno, just echoing teh topic |
| 23:07.19 | zenzelezz | haste: they make no difference, those names are common on the net |
| 23:07.32 | MentalPower | wereHamster haste: no effect |
| 23:08.57 | MentalPower | BTW, messing with UIParent's anchors kills the tooltips and the mail and a bunch of other frames |
| 23:11.13 | haste | it didn't do that before? |
| 23:11.51 | bleeter | cladhaire: only 'coz you asked... http://wowi.pastey.net/80355 |
| 23:12.18 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 23:12.40 | cladhaire | Cairenn: http://wowi.pastey.net/80355 |
| 23:13.05 | bleeter | I'm sure purl has logs somewhere, tho :P |
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| 23:14.52 | cladhaire | < mewzy> you really proved your nothing but a lifless fuck |
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| 23:16.07 | bleeter | tbh, I haven't actually read it yet |
| 23:16.10 | Antiarc | Heheh |
| 23:16.13 | Antiarc | That was awwesome last night |
| 23:16.21 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 23:16.25 | bleeter | i just grepped for lifless, then pasted from where whoever said that first, 'til when they left |
| 23:16.25 | cladhaire | that was this morning for me! |
| 23:16.34 | Antiarc | Well, me too |
| 23:16.35 | bleeter | *said that first joined |
| 23:16.37 | Antiarc | Just really early morning |
| 23:16.53 | End | cladhaire: you lifeless fuck! |
| 23:16.54 | End | :P |
| 23:17.00 | Antiarc | No, no |
| 23:17.03 | Lunessa | Well, I'm just a lifeless fuck. |
| 23:17.04 | Antiarc | lifless |
| 23:17.09 | End | oh right |
| 23:17.10 | End | lifless |
| 23:17.11 | End | sorry |
| 23:17.24 | Gnarfoz | where is lizard help |
| 23:17.25 | End | I apologize |
| 23:17.31 | cladhaire | WORD! |
| 23:17.35 | End | you aren't a lifeless fuck, just a lifless one |
| 23:17.41 | cladhaire | heh |
| 23:17.59 | MentalPower | cladhaire: you should add that pastey to the topic for context |
| 23:18.01 | MentalPower | :) |
| 23:18.47 | cladhaire | meh |
| 23:18.55 | cladhaire | i expect the topic to be changed at Cairenn's whim |
| 23:18.59 | cladhaire | but i couldn't leave it out this morning |
| 23:19.03 | cladhaire | I'm just shocked he hasn't come back |
| 23:19.05 | cladhaire | i was CONVINCED he would. |
| 23:19.31 | End | well, you were CONVINCED wrong |
| 23:20.51 | cladhaire | i can't be wrong |
| 23:21.01 | cladhaire | unless this channel dies! |
| 23:21.03 | cladhaire | which can nevar happen |
| 23:21.06 | cladhaire | cause he could still come back |
| 23:21.08 | cladhaire | !! |
| 23:21.25 | mewzy | cladhaire: u r an lifless f*$k |
| 23:21.35 | Beladona | nm |
| 23:21.41 | Gnarfoz | self censoring is fail :< |
| 23:22.14 | bleeter | yeah, I know |
| 23:24.07 | Lunessa | self-censoring? I don't want to censor me. I want to censor lifless fucks |
| 23:25.28 | cogwheel | Gnarfoz: it's not easy being green ;) |
| 23:25.38 | bleeter | oh, reminds me... kinda... I liberated the 'how to ask smart questions' from FedoraOS.org, to make it a bit more generic. I'm posting source HTML, have at it and do with it what you will, I guess: http://wowi.pastey.net/80359 |
| 23:26.11 | Gnarfoz | cogwheel: how's that relate to the other? ;D |
| 23:26.53 | bleeter | I'm sure cog's taking notes of what he'd really like to say, so that when he's no longer a green he can post it all and get it out of his system ;) |
| 23:26.56 | cogwheel | selfe-censoring to the max |
| 23:27.02 | cogwheel | s/fe/f/ |
| 23:27.19 | cogwheel | bleeter: i totally should do that ;) |
| 23:28.11 | Wobwork | bleeter: s/logical and accurate history/nife and accurate prophefies/ |
| 23:29.19 | Lunessa | the new ! operator works for forms? |
| 23:31.41 | cogwheel | Lunessa: i may be wrong on that... i was just using them as an example of toggleable abilities |
| 23:32.16 | Lunessa | I'm about to answer a macro question... and I don't actually /know/ |
| 23:32.28 | bleeter | awww, damn... my bank alt posted [swift flying broom] to my main so I could start using it, believing the 14 days realtime would start from 2.3.2, but it'd appear to be retrospective |
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| 23:33.16 | bleeter | Wobwork: huh? |
| 23:33.26 | Wobwork | flashback to Good Omens |
| 23:36.37 | Lunessa | well, hell either it works or I'll look like a 'tard. Nothing new about that.. |
| 23:36.41 | JoshBorke | holy shit being a grown up sucks |
| 23:37.10 | Wobwork | JoshBorke: welcome to adulthood? |
| 23:37.14 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: don't you mean retroactive? |
| 23:37.39 | Wobwork | maybe he meant harkening back to the good old days of broom riding |
| 23:38.00 | JoshBorke | Wobwork: thanks. i got handed a 5lb stack of papers today going over my health benefits and retirement otpions |
| 23:38.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobwork: then the grammar would be off tho. |
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| 23:39.04 | Lunessa | being an adult sucks for some things, but... the benefits are legal access to vices and you get to have sex without your parents telling you no. |
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| 23:39.33 | JoshBorke | Lunessa: yea, but i could do those things before i got a real job |
| 23:39.58 | Lunessa | Yeah, but now you're a /responsible/ adult. |
| 23:40.29 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: probably... no one's given me any coffee yet so I can't think straight |
| 23:40.30 | bleeter | d/straight/ |
| 23:43.03 | sag_ich_nicht | i kind of have the same problem |
| 23:43.11 | sag_ich_nicht | except it's a lack of tea, not a lack of coffee |
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| 23:45.12 | bleeter | hmm, maybe the broom issue was mail lag... after three relogs to my main, the item's attached to the mail |
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| 23:46.21 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 23:46.34 | JoshBorke | small patch... |
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| 23:49.38 | JoshBorke | why do i have a ? for my primal mana? :-( |
| 23:50.53 | Lunessa | Is Nitelilly in here? |
| 23:50.54 | Antiarc | Nuke your cache |
| 23:51.00 | bleeter | whoa!!! roflz!!!! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773464761&postId=37728868726&sid=1#0 |
| 23:51.14 | bleeter | Balinda and Vandarr have had their HP increased |
| 23:51.14 | JoshBorke | Antiarc: doesn't a patch blow it away? |
| 23:51.31 | Antiarc | JoshBorke: I dunno. I've had to manually clear my cache following a patch for years |
| 23:51.40 | Antiarc | I logged in today, bunches of ???s |
| 23:51.45 | Antiarc | Logged out, blew up the cache, logged in, all fixed |
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| 23:52.02 | JoshBorke | it only happened to one and only when i created it by merging motes |
| 23:53.06 | Antiarc | well, it's a new item |
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| 23:57.37 | |pez| | damnit, why is it everytime I try to cuddle and/or kiss the boyfriend, I get a small electric shock >__> |
| 23:58.02 | Shirik | that's the "sparks" of love |
| 23:58.07 | Shirik | /groan |
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| 23:58.13 | |pez| | it's the sparks of pain! |
| 23:58.16 | MentalPower | don't walk on the carpet with socks on? |
| 23:58.30 | |pez| | Don't wear socks most of the time when I'm at home. |
| 23:58.35 | Shirik | actually socks would be better than shoes |
| 23:58.43 | Lunessa | ...I'm laughing my ass off. |
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| 23:59.02 | |pez| | Why? ;__; |
| 23:59.10 | Lunessa | The image makes me chortle, even though I sympathize with your pain. |
| 23:59.20 | Shirik | ~dict chortle |
| 23:59.52 | Lunessa | I've settled down from laughing my ass off. |
