IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20080204

`00:08.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`HAI Cairenn!`
`00:08.12`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`So why aren't you all watching the super bow`
`00:08.18`	`Cairenn`	`hey Thunder_Child`
`00:08.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`because watching sports sucks`
`00:08.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`Playing > Watching`
`00:09.01`	`Cairenn`	`who says we aren't?`
`00:09.19`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`your IRC nick says`
`00:09.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`cant be wathing the monitor and the TV at the SAME TIME!`
`00:09.44`	`Keias`	`thats why you have two eyes`
`00:09.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`that lack of a 'c' is killing me`
`00:10.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`Keias, you have 2 eyes for depth perception`
`00:10.21`	`Cairenn`	`that's why some of us have a little flat screen tv right beside our computer monitors :p`
`00:10.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`you might as well stream it TO your monitor`
`00:10.55`	`Keias`	`Depth perception is a myth`
`00:10.58`	`Keias`	`You can't prove a thing!`
`00:11.22`	`Cairenn`	`then I would have less space for computer stuff on the monitor, would rather keep the tv on the tv and the computer on the computer :p`
`00:11.34`	`Cairenn`	`my desktop is overlapped enough as it is`
`00:11.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cairenn, bigger monitor x 2`
`00:12.07`	`Cairenn`	`bigger monitor x 2 << free flatscreen tv`
`00:12.20`	`Keias`	`Free you say?`
`00:12.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`not is use`
`00:13.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/is/in/`
`00:21.12`	`Kaso`	`I'll never get used to downloading from the internet at >16Mbps, how i love living at university campus`
`00:21.36`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`and then one day it will be gone`
`00:22.01`	`Kaso`	`yes :<`
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`00:32.44`	`Cidan`	`until fiber rolls out`
`00:32.47`	`Cidan`	`in your area`
`00:33.42`	`Kaso`	`in england, i think its going to be a while`
`00:34.20`	`Iriel`	`Whoa, that Tomb of Lights quest was really nicely done`
`00:46.35`	`Cidan`	`ygh`
`00:46.37`	`Cidan`	`slow news day`
`00:46.48`	`Cidan`	`it's like the world slows down for the super bowl`
`00:46.52`	`Cidan`	`well, the US`
`00:47.20`	`bleeter`	`the US is the world, tho!`
`00:47.53`	`Cairenn`	`a legend in their own minds`
`00:48.31`	`Cidan`	`No kidding.`
`00:49.07`	`bleeter`	`s/minds/lunchboxes/`
`00:53.16`	`Cidan`	`http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2883-Zero-Punctuation-Resident-Evil-Umbrella-Chronicles`
`00:56.53`	`Wobin`	`Iriel: Where you summon the guardian and protect him?`
`00:57.22`	`nevcairiel`	`the animation when its finished is kinda cool`
`00:57.26`	`nevcairiel`	`but the event itself is boring .P`
`00:57.56`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`I hate SPICE error messages`
`00:58.03`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`They tell me nothign at all`
`00:58.11`	`Iriel`	`Wobin: That's the one`
`00:59.26`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`Singular matrix: check nodes ev1#branch and ev1#branch. TRAN: Timestep too small; initial timepoint: trouble with (d_shottky:xu1.vcc) d21:xu1.vcc`
`00:59.29`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`>.>`
`01:01.31`	`Cidan`	`Shirik\|IAW: That's criptic sounding.`
`01:02.15`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`Everything is cryptic sounding from this thing when it doesn't go 100% correctly -_-`
`01:02.58`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`I especially like the help file for the error`
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`01:03.14`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`"This is a problem wherein SPICE cannot converge to a certain node voltage or branch current after the specified number of iterations."`
`01:03.25`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`translation: "This is a problem where it couldn't figure out the answer"`
`01:03.31`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`-_-`
`01:04.46`	`Corrodias`	`a guildmate tells me he just got hit with a Mortal Strike crit for 8,000`
`01:05.10`	`[dRaCo]`	`screenshot or it didnt happen`
`01:05.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`pics or it didnt happen?`
`01:05.14`	`Corrodias`	`according to my calculations, that'd take over 11,000 attack power (8,000 if he had a 30% damage buff from WSG, according to a guildmate)`
`01:05.24`	`Corrodias`	`and a season 3 weapon, which he probably had`
`01:05.32`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`rofl`
`01:06.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`Corrodias, on what kind of armor though (or lack there of)`
`01:07.04`	`Corrodias`	`he may have been mistaking an Execute crit for MS`
`01:07.07`	`Corrodias`	`that's assuming 0 armor`
`01:07.21`	`Corrodias`	`he's a mage, so he wouldn't have had much`
`01:07.24`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`even on my priest, in pvp gear without inner fire I think I have 1500 armor`
`01:07.28`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`I'd assume he had ice armor up`
`01:07.41`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`!c us drenden kimina`
`01:07.43`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik\|IAW: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (42/19/0). 7161 HP; 11270 Mana; 388 mana regen; 184 mp5; 520 +spell dmg; 1535 +heal; 5.90% dodge; 23 resilience;[[ TBR: 895 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sun Feb 3 20:16:30 2008 EST ]]`
`01:07.47`	`Kaso`	`what about that warrior plus% damage thingy they have, enrage or something?`
`01:07.56`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`ah that must be my healing gear`
`01:08.14`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`lol, healing gear with pvp spec`
`01:08.17`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`my stats look like crap`
`01:08.40`	`Corrodias`	`i'm not sure, but anyway, he got -owned- whatever it was`
`01:09.06`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`I will agree with the ownage assertion`
`01:09.55`	`Kaso`	`Enrage, plus death wish, plus WSG buff, thats 75% +damage (i assume they all stack) which makes things more plausable`
`01:10.32`	`Corrodias`	`yes it does`
`01:10.36`	`Corrodias`	`recalculating`
`01:11.06`	`Corrodias`	`then it requires only 5,000 attack power`
`01:11.23`	`Corrodias`	`my druid has reached that in cat form with just the right raid buffs and trinket procs before`
`01:11.55`	`Corrodias`	`although warriors might normally have less AP; i know hunters, shamans, and rogues do. druids require more AP to output the same damage.`
`01:12.32`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`5000 is still kinda high, isn't it?`
`01:12.40`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`wow`
`01:12.52`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`My hunter barely ever made it above 2k, but I hated him :P`
`01:14.19`	`bleeter`	`ouch http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4311146853&sid=1`
`01:14.35`	`bleeter`	`short version: WoW attempting to claim... 1073826092 bytes of memory`
`01:14.37`	`Corrodias`	`yeah, i had the shaman putting down strength and agility totems, Kings and Might from paladins, Battle Shout from a fury warrior (380 AP), +300 from one trinket and +200 from another`
`01:15.13`	`bleeter`	`acutally, that's not that big is it`
`01:15.25`	`Corrodias`	`that's about 1 gig`
`01:16.17`	`bleeter`	`yeah, I miscounted by a factor of 10`
`01:16.22`	`Shirik\|IAW`	`--> test = function(n) return math.sin(n) + math.sin(n+math.pi/3) + math.sin(n+2*math.pi/3) end return test(3.3)`
`01:16.22`	`batbot`	`Shirik\|IAW: > -1.8681108270718`
`01:25.00`	`Corrodias`	`--> 1073826092 / (8 * 8 * 8)`
`01:25.00`	`batbot`	`Corrodias: > 2097316.5859375`
`01:25.06`	`Corrodias`	`--> 1073826092 / (8 * 8 * 8 * 8)`
`01:25.06`	`batbot`	`Corrodias: > 262164.57324219`
`01:25.20`	`Corrodias`	`er... wait, wrong number`
`01:25.20`	`art3mis`	`Thunder_Child: yeah I managed to corrupt a db uninstalling a plugin`
`01:25.27`	`Corrodias`	`--> 1073826092 / (1024 * 1024 * 1024)`
`01:25.27`	`batbot`	`Corrodias: > 1.0000784806907`
`01:25.28`	`art3mis`	`Thunder_Child: so I get to start all over ;)`
`01:25.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`:(`
`01:25.51`	`art3mis`	`yeah this time I wont be mucking with lots though so it'll be a cleaner insall`
`01:26.53`	`art3mis`	`found a funny bug in the forums too`
`01:27.21`	`art3mis`	`appreabntly the built in forum mod has a bug that "post reply" doesn't actually work, you need to hit the quote button to reply to things`
`01:44.58`	`Shirik`	`so how bout dem giants`
`01:45.01`	`Shirik`	`who's winning anyway?`
`01:48.44`	`art3mis`	`7-3 patriots`
`01:49.11`	`art3mis`	`4mins left in the 3rd`
`01:49.35`	`mikma`	`i heard they will be making nfl history if they win`
`01:49.43`	`art3mis`	`pats?`
`01:49.46`	`art3mis`	`yup`
`01:49.56`	`art3mis`	`a completely undefeated season`
`01:50.30`	`mikma`	`thats... pretty damn impressive`
`01:50.34`	`art3mis`	`yup`
`01:50.45`	`mikma`	`btw the match is on in tv here in finland ;)`
`01:58.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`I guess it's on TV just about everywhere ;D`
`02:05.31`	`Kaso`	`My mouse is more sensitve in the -x,-y directions than the positive directions`
`02:06.02`	`Iriel`	`Optical or physical?`
`02:06.07`	`Kaso`	`so if i move my mouse around in circles the cursor will wander to the top left while my mouse doesnt move on my mousepad (except in circles)`
`02:06.10`	`Kaso`	`opticals`
`02:06.12`	`Kaso`	`optical`
`02:06.22`	`Iriel`	`sounds like a bug`
`02:07.38`	`Kaso`	`the fancy razor drivers do have an option to set different sensitvity for x and y seperately, but this is related to +ve and -ve in the same axis, plus i have that feature turned off`
`02:07.58`	`Kaso`	`Perhaps i should email razor about this! i dont expect bugs in my $60 mouse`
`02:08.15`	`\|pez\|`	`I'd never buy a $60 mouse 0.o`
`02:09.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`i would`
`02:09.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/would/did, and will again/`
`02:09.21`	`\|pez\|`	`ah, wait, my old logitech was actually quite pricey.`
`02:09.41`	`\|pez\|`	`logitech dual optical mouseman.`
`02:09.45`	`\|pez\|`	`best mouse ever.`
`02:09.53`	`Kaso`	`give that i'd used my $10 mouse for the last five years before it died, i though i'd gotten enough value from it to justify the cost`
`02:09.57`	`Kaso`	`given`
`02:10.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`Kaso, i to have a razor and that ability is great in FPS's`
`02:11.21`	`Cairenn`	`giants just scored`
`02:11.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol foxlit, M$ Bob`
`02:11.37`	`Kaso`	`low sensitivety on y so you dont stray from headshot height :>`
`02:11.38`	`Cairenn`	`9-7 now, 11min left in 4th`
`02:11.49`	`Cairenn`	`sorry, 10-7`
`02:11.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`yeppers`
`02:21.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`hmm...i do belive i was hungry...seeing as how i finnished 6 slices of pizza before the credits on the movie i was watching`
`02:22.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`begining credits*`
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`02:32.53`	`\|pez\|`	`ok people, opinions on sites that are no wider than 700px?`
`02:33.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fail`
`02:34.00`	`\|pez\|`	`personally I don't like really wide sites.`
`02:34.55`	`Kaso`	`i think working on the asumption that people actually still use 800x600 is silly`
`02:35.12`	`Kaso`	`and out-dated`
`02:35.30`	`\|pez\|`	`I still like 700px on a website XD`
`02:36.13`	`\|pez\|`	`and I have 1680x1050`
`02:36.13`	`Kaso`	`i dont like having huge white boarderds down the side of my windows`
`02:36.20`	`Kaso`	`(facebook im looking at you!)`
`02:36.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`facebook is looking back`
`02:36.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`and saying FUCK OFF MATE!`
`02:36.54`	`\|pez\|`	`I could ofcourse adapt another version for 1000ish width.`
`02:36.56`	`Kirkburn`	`1024 is a reasonable width to design for now`
`02:37.01`	`\|pez\|`	`but this is cute! http://slacktitude.net/div/c2rebirth/ccdevnet.jpg`
`02:37.09`	`Kirkburn`	`So, like 900 wide`
`02:37.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Really it does somewhat depend on the content`
`02:37.51`	`Kirkburn`	`If it's not a lot of text, low width is no bad thing`
`02:37.54`	`\|pez\|`	`and how much information you intend to put on each page.`
`02:38.13`	`\|pez\|`	`I actually hate having to read all over the screen when there's lots of text.`
`02:38.17`	`\|pez\|`	`I'd rather scroll downwards.`
`02:38.45`	`Kirkburn`	`I remember creatures, was once going to buy it, but never got around to it`
`02:39.10`	`Wobin`	`omg creatures`
`02:39.13`	`Wobin`	`I remember that game`
`02:39.19`	`Wobin`	`I bought it a long long long time ago`
`02:39.33`	`\|pez\|`	`you can still do so XD (if you do, please do so when I finish this site, and put up a aStore on it ;P )`
`02:40.01`	`Wobin`	`I recall getting really irritated at my creature =P`
`02:40.16`	`\|pez\|`	`It's also amazong how many folks actually know about this game.`
`02:40.20`	`\|pez\|`	`amazing*`
`02:40.35`	`\|pez\|`	`Oh, my norns were all suicidal earlier today, running off the cliff into the ocean.`
`02:40.40`	`\|pez\|`	`in a LINE!`
`02:40.49`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`02:41.34`	`\|pez\|`	`You'll probably hear me rant about creatures more when openc2e works with Creatures 2.`
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`02:56.16`	`Cairenn`	`NYG just won`
`02:56.20`	`kd3`	`woo giants!`
`02:56.31`	`kd3`	`a lob... ahahaha`
`02:56.33`	`Cairenn`	`touchdown with 35 sec on the clock`
`02:56.33`	`Iriel`	`Oh look, I just found my Creatures CFD`
`02:56.35`	`Iriel`	`Cd, even`
`02:56.42`	`\|pez\|`	`Iriel :D`
`02:56.53`	`\|pez\|`	`the first one?`
`02:57.06`	`Iriel`	`Yeah, (c) 1996-1997`
`02:57.16`	`\|pez\|`	`Holy crap that's old. :o`
`02:57.35`	`\|pez\|`	`I was 10 the year Creatures was released ^^;;`
`02:58.28`	`Iriel`	`I was 25 in 1997`
`02:59.04`	`Cairenn`	`well, maybe not ... if they can get a field goal in the next 29 sec ....`
`02:59.11`	`Shirik`	`lua> 2008-1997+25`
`02:59.11`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: 36`
`02:59.15`	`\|pez\|`	`Oh, wow, a older person who played it ^^`
`02:59.34`	`Shirik`	`I was 10 when "Creatures" was released, too.`
`02:59.35`	`Shirik`	`wtf is it?`
`02:59.47`	`\|pez\|`	`Artificial Life game.`
`03:00.04`	`\|pez\|`	`really cute.`
`03:00.20`	`kd3`	`what a sack`
`03:00.23`	`kd3`	`beautiful`
`03:01.18`	`\|pez\|`	`it's more or less cute pets on your screen that you need to take care of.. Or you can play around with the enviroment, ecology, genetics, or whatever you want really.`
`03:03.36`	`Cairenn`	`okay, now the giants won`
`03:03.39`	`kd3`	`whoo!`
`03:03.54`	`Cidan`	`Don't say that`
`03:04.09`	`Cidan`	`Do you believe in miracles, etc`
`03:04.16`	`Cairenn`	`1 sec? no`
`03:04.19`	`kd3`	`in victory formation?`
`03:04.40`	`Cairenn`	`there is 1 sec left on the clock and they just lost position`
`03:04.49`	`Cidan`	`ah, well, gg`
`03:04.57`	`Cairenn`	`possession, rather`
`03:06.11`	`Cairenn`	`damn that was one close game, took it right down to the last inches & seconds`
`03:06.39`	`Keias`	`great game`
`03:07.25`	`art3mis`	`yay nyg`
`03:07.27`	`kd3`	`ahaha at the forum spam in general`
`03:07.32`	`art3mis`	`its been what 12 years?`
`03:07.46`	`art3mis`	`Thunder_Child: its back up and operational again btw`
`03:08.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`art3mis, ok, i'll go fuck with it in a bit`
`03:08.13`	`art3mis`	`new forum integration too`
`03:08.52`	`art3mis`	`just gotta reset the forums back up correct the li nks menu and do something with the wiki`
`03:10.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`also, are you going to make your logo clickable home?`
`03:10.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`"Microsoft Corp. will release Windows Vista Service Pack (SP1) on Monday, Feb. 4, according to reports Friday from Tech ARP, a Malaysian Web site."`
`03:11.09`	`Cidan`	`Unlikely`
`03:11.17`	`Cidan`	`They would announce it well ahead of time.`
`03:11.23`	`Cidan`	`Plus it's way too soon`
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`03:11.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Too soon! Too soon!`
`03:12.14`	`Cidan`	`Wake me up in two years when the World Cup is around`
`03:12.20`	`Cidan`	`Then we'll talk sports`
`03:13.02`	`Kirkburn`	`Rugby > American Football`
`03:15.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol "http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51119" look at the last one`
`03:16.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`art3mis, Welcome to e107?`
`03:18.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`art3mis...seriously..."If you notice anything wierd, out of place, or just spelt badly... let me know."`
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`03:33.41`	`art3mis`	`heh fixed "wierd" but spelt is valid`
`03:47.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`art3mis, you didnt fix it, you deleted it`
`03:47.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`and besides, it still shows "Welcome to e107"`
`03:48.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`and for some reason ".:. Forgotten passw" cuts off there`
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`04:40.31`	`Xinhuan`	`quiet channel`
`04:42.15`	`Cairenn`	`yeah`
`04:42.35`	`Cairenn`	`too much super bowl partying I bet`
`04:42.35`	`Xinhuan`	`we have just released GatherMate and Routes`
`04:42.40`	`Xinhuan`	`as new addons`
`04:42.46`	`Fisker-`	`superbowl = superfail`
`04:43.18`	`Xinhuan`	`Routes is the upgrade over Cartographer_Routes`
`04:43.55`	`Fisker-`	`is mapster gonna be a cartographer replacement btw?`
`04:44.03`	`Xinhuan`	`in general, yes`
`04:44.10`	`Xinhuan`	`it will have minimal features though`
`04:44.24`	`Fisker-`	`then not a replacement then`
`04:44.24`	`Fisker-`	`:O`
`04:44.39`	`Xinhuan`	`it won't come with Notes and GuildPositions and stuff like that`
`04:44.46`	`Cairenn`	`redundant statement is redundant`
`04:45.18`	`Xinhuan`	`its basically just the foglight, coordinates, and look-n-feel`
`04:45.22`	`Xinhuan`	`in a nutshell`
`04:46.00`	`Fisker-`	`your mother mother is mooooooooooootheeeeeeer`
`04:46.38`	`Fisker-`	`you has to make cartographer :(`
`04:48.08`	`Fisker-`	`why do tards suddenly appear everytime you are neaaaaar`
`04:48.21`	`Fisker-`	`http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9861474-56.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20`
`04:48.27`	`Fisker-`	`When do they fucking get it`
`04:48.38`	`Fisker-`	`MinWin is not a product it's a continuation of the current kernel`
`04:49.08`	`Fisker-`	`looks like a retard as well that Ina Fried`
`04:49.17`	`Fisker-`	`infact his he a guy or is she a girl?`
`04:49.20`	`Fisker-`	`I have no idea`
`04:49.25`	`Fisker-`	`looks like a retarded guy`
`05:08.29`	`art3mis`	`Thunder_Child: it was showing the news as well as the welcome which it wasn't supposed to do, so it's corrected ;P`
`05:09.01`	`art3mis`	`as the the wierdness in fonts and graphics thats because the whole thing auto scales, somethigns so somethings sdont depending on the size of the screen`
`05:10.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`Hmmm..World in Conflic is pretty cool`
`05:11.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`conflict*`
`05:11.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`art3mis, it still looks the same`
`05:11.22`	`Cairenn`	`art3mis: out of curiosity, what's the site for?`
`05:12.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`that Cairenn, is an excelent question`
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`05:18.08`	`Fisker-`	`what site?`
`05:18.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://wowdev.net/news.php`
`05:18.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`warning under construction (regardless of what art3mis says)`
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`05:26.02`	`Cairenn`	`mmmrh?`
`05:26.10`	`Cidan`	`I feel ill`
`05:26.15`	`Cidan`	`I think I ate too much`
`05:26.18`	`Cidan`	`like way too much`
`05:26.37`	`art3mis`	`thunder try loading just wowdev.net and leave off the php, like a normal person`
`05:26.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah...well it used to go there`
`05:27.13`	`art3mis`	`that's like saying website.com/mydumblinkhere.php always 404's ;P`
`05:27.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`well if i was going to show you to the world.....`
`05:27.32`	`art3mis`	`it's changed ;P`
`05:27.47`	`art3mis`	`you'd use wowdev.net ;P`
`05:27.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, clicking home still takes you to http://wowdev.net/index.php`
`05:28.02`	`Wobin`	`omg xkcd`
`05:28.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats where i was, so thats what i linked`
`05:28.13`	`Wobin`	`linked relationship lists =P`
`05:28.19`	`Cairenn`	`art3mis: you didn't answer me`
`05:28.28`	`art3mis`	`randomness ;)`
`05:29.30`	`Wobin`	`Thunder_Child: what's this?`
`05:29.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`whats what?`
`05:29.41`	`Wobin`	`wowdev`
`05:29.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's art3mis's`
`05:29.53`	`Cidan`	`This will be fun.`
`05:30.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart Cidan`
`05:30.05`	`purl`	`nukes Cidan with a single large nuke`
`05:30.11`	`Wobin`	`art3mis: what's this? =)`
`05:30.17`	`art3mis`	`its merely information for all intent and purpose ;P`
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`05:32.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`art3mis, clicking on "Stite Stats" or "Links" bolds "games"`
`05:33.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`as well as Ewiki`
`05:33.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`eWiki*`
`05:33.34`	`art3mis`	`neat`
`05:33.58`	`art3mis`	`that whole little menu thingy is odd to say the least`
`05:34.04`	`art3mis`	`I'll have a looksee in a sec`
`05:49.33`	`art3mis`	`I think there's something with how it displays "games"`
`05:49.46`	`art3mis`	`occasioanlly though home will hilight too`
`05:49.50`	`art3mis`	`for no reason`
`05:55.30`	`art3mis`	`tc: can you check if you can see all the forums?`
`05:55.45`	`art3mis`	`should be 4 cats with 4/3/3/3`
`05:55.49`	`art3mis`	`forums under em`
`05:58.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`art3mis, verified`
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`06:01.40`	`art3mis`	`danke`
`06:01.50`	`art3mis`	`the old forum sucked so I changed`
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`06:12.48`	`Iriel`	`My cat is retarded: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/kittens/AllCat.jpg`
`06:13.09`	`Fisker-`	`in b4 runs in the family`
`06:13.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`retarded, but cute`
`06:13.46`	`Kivin`	`I know this is IRC and I'm not supposed to ask to ask, but given the nature of my question, I'm going to do so anyways. May I please get some assistance with a secure action button Q?`
`06:13.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`iriel eat cat`
`06:14.14`	`Kivin`	`<3 your cat`
`06:14.24`	`Iriel`	`Kivin: I'm sure if you ask your question someone will try and help`
`06:14.41`	`Shirik`	`cat iriel > stomach ?`
`06:14.50`	`Kivin`	`Alright, well... I'm trying to create state-driven buttons that respond to both stances and modifier keys`
`06:15.40`	`Wobin`	`goddamn art3mis`
`06:15.46`	`Wobin`	`now i'm playing lotGD`
`06:15.49`	`Kivin`	`the SecureStateHeaderTemplate has attribute: "statemap-state" => "$input"`
`06:15.52`	`art3mis`	`its awesome huh!?`
`06:16.05`	`art3mis`	`you have no idea hwat a little kid glee noise I amde when I found it`
`06:16.09`	`art3mis`	`made`
`06:16.21`	`Kivin`	`and i'm calling a RegisterStateDriver(header, "state", "[stance:1] 1; [modifier:shift] 7; 0")`
`06:16.35`	`Fisker-`	`LINK ART3MIS LINK`
`06:17.00`	`Shirik`	`purl, ping`
`06:17.01`	`purl`	`pong`
`06:17.13`	`Iriel`	`Kivin: with you so far`
`06:17.20`	`art3mis`	`due to the nature of it I can't linke it directly as I promised`
`06:17.26`	`Kivin`	`my button has attributes: "statebutton" => "0:normal;7:shiftmod", "type-normal" => "spell", "spell-normal" => "Lesser Healing Wave"`
`06:17.43`	`Kivin`	`"type-shiftmod" => "spell", "spell-shiftmod" => "Healing Wave"`
`06:18.15`	`Kivin`	`A click with no stance or modifier keys casts LHW as intended. A click with shift pressed does nothing.`
`06:18.23`	`Kivin`	`The button goes inert with modifier keys pressed`
`06:18.25`	`Iriel`	`shift is a modifier`
`06:18.39`	`art3mis`	`so let's speak hypothetically for a second`
`06:18.39`	`Iriel`	`so you'll need 'type-shiftmod' 'spell-shiftmod'`
`06:18.49`	`Kivin`	`mmm`
`06:18.50`	`Iriel`	`because the normal modifier prefix code isn't disabled`
`06:18.57`	`Kivin`	`because it's querying "shift-type-shiftmod"`
`06:18.58`	`art3mis`	`you all know about mmowned..`
`06:19.07`	`Shirik`	`no, englighten us art3mis`
`06:19.12`	`art3mis`	`what would actually make you a participating member I a commnuity like that?`
`06:19.18`	`art3mis`	`in a`
`06:19.42`	`art3mis`	`like what would draw you to post comment etc, without the nature despise of that type of user?`
`06:20.06`	`Kivin`	`Iriel: would I be... more correct... setting "shift-type-stateName" and "shift-spell-stateName", or just using the wildcard?`
`06:20.49`	`art3mis`	`err despite`
`06:20.50`	`Iriel`	`Kivin: Well, depends where you want the processing to happen.. using 'shift-' as the prefix will be 'safer'`
`06:21.13`	`art3mis`	`without the natural despise most would feel towards that type of user`
`06:21.16`	`art3mis`	`there we go`
`06:21.51`	`Kivin`	`Iriel: If I understand that correctly, the wildcard leaves the processing at the driver level and the prefix at the button level?`
`06:22.18`	`Kivin`	`And the wildcard worked. I expect the prefix will as well if I use it. Thanks for that`
`06:22.20`	`Iriel`	`essentially, given your setup the prefix puts it in both places`
`06:22.34`	`Iriel`	`I suggest you not bother with the modifier driving state`
`06:22.53`	`Kivin`	`if i use the prefix, i should remove the [modifier]s from the driver registration and use the neutral state, yes?`
`06:22.54`	`Iriel`	`unless you're doing somethng far more complex with transitions`
`06:22.57`	`Iriel`	`yeah`
`06:23.00`	`Fisker-`	`haha Wobin`
`06:23.02`	`Fisker-`	`fucking awesome`
`06:23.06`	`Fisker-`	`I'm a troll thief`
`06:23.09`	`Kivin`	`basically shift-state0`
`06:23.10`	`Fisker-`	`and i can insult people :D`
`06:23.14`	`Fisker-`	`just like real trolls`
`06:23.49`	`Kivin`	`Nothing overly complex, no. It's difficult for me to show exact code because it's written very general. Each rack of buttons is intended to have different behaviour`
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`06:26.04`	`Iriel`	`Leaving the modifier to the button is more efficient too`
`06:26.15`	`Iriel`	`because the header isn't changing state every time you hit/release shift`
`06:26.21`	`Kivin`	`okay, that's the selling point`
`06:26.22`	`Iriel`	`the modifier's only checked when you actually fire the button`
`06:26.34`	`Kivin`	`I need to be able to enable/disable the modifier/stance states for entire rows of buttons, though`
`06:26.51`	`Kivin`	`I figured I'd just re register the driver with a modified state string`
`06:27.16`	`Wobin`	`Fisker-: I'm a dwarf thief =)`
`06:27.17`	`Iriel`	`You could do that, or you could build a hierarchy of state headers`
`06:27.24`	`Iriel`	`depends what youre doing exactly`
`06:27.44`	`Iriel`	`I suspect a header per row confiig, and a registration per row config`
`06:28.09`	`Kivin`	`Trying to lay the groundwork for a bar mod, or better, library. Each group ("bar"?) of buttons has a set of boolean values for each stance and modifier`
`06:28.10`	`Iriel`	`that should be easy enough and work pretty well`
`06:29.18`	`Iriel`	`So anyway, the one place where modifiers on the state driver is when you want to update the visuals of the button when the modifier changes`
`06:29.29`	`Kivin`	`okay, that's a must`
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`06:30.12`	`Fisker-`	`laggy server is laaaaaaaaaggy though`
`06:30.15`	`Kivin`	`I hadn't got that far, yet. Wasn't sure how I'd detect state changes in order to update the textures`
`06:30.21`	`Shirik`	`Soooo I just learned why my phone's charge dies out so quickly`
`06:30.27`	`Shirik`	`Apparently when I turn it off`
`06:30.29`	`art3mis`	`yeah someone was scrweing with the mysql this weekend`
`06:30.35`	`Iriel`	`Kivin: There's a handler method you can put on the header`
`06:30.36`	`Shirik`	`5 minutes later by itself it decides to turn back on`
`06:30.44`	`Fisker-`	`is the code open source?`
`06:30.52`	`Kivin`	`OnAttributeChanged`
`06:30.57`	`Fisker-`	`i could make my own server :O`
`06:32.05`	`Kivin`	`Sorry, that was supposed to be a question. will 'OnAttributeChanged' catch the state changes?`
`06:33.02`	`Iriel`	`Kivin: You can't overwrite the OnAttributeChanged of a state header, because it needs to be secure`
`06:33.14`	`Iriel`	`Kivin: You could hook it, but it already calls a method on state changes`
`06:33.18`	`Iriel`	`Kivin: So that's not really worth it`
`06:33.38`	`Kivin`	`So what's the right way without tainting it?`
`06:34.08`	`Iriel`	`function MyHeader:StateChanged(newState) -- code here -- end`
`06:34.28`	`Kivin`	`oi. I don't have to register any events or handlers... Interesting.`
`06:34.37`	`Iriel`	`or MyHeader.StateChanged = function(self, newState) ... stuff ... end`
`06:34.41`	`Kivin`	`that makes it frighteningly easier`
`06:34.42`	`Iriel`	`I tried to make it friendly 8-)`
`06:35.04`	`Iriel`	`Line 76 of the file mentions it`
`06:35.26`	`Kivin`	`I've probably read it at least twice and not absorbed it :P Information overload`
`06:35.50`	`Kivin`	`My apologies for not RTFMing enough, I guess`
`06:37.23`	`Iriel`	`heh, no worries.`
`06:37.30`	`Iriel`	`I was just mentioning it to save you future pain`
`06:37.47`	`Kivin`	`Indeed. I've learned more tonight than I have in over 30 days of reading the code files`
`06:38.13`	`art3mis`	`http://virtuallyblind.com/files/Peons_Injunction.pdf`
`06:38.59`	`Kivin`	`Now... to rewrite everything from the ground up so it makes more sense ;P`
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`06:43.34`	`Kivin`	`Curious, can I define complex states like: "[stance:1, modifier:ctrl, noflying] 13"`
`06:44.17`	`Shirik`	`art3mis, are they really called "In Game DollaR" ?`
`06:44.29`	`Shirik`	`s/R/r/`
`06:44.55`	`art3mis`	`I duno`
`06:44.59`	`art3mis`	`guess so`
`06:45.15`	`Fisker-`	`hah`
`06:45.16`	`Fisker-`	`fuck you art3mis`
`06:46.10`	`art3mis`	`I think its funny that they're getting the equiv of a restraining order`
`06:48.23`	`Iriel`	`Kivin: Yes, that's really a complex conditional, not a complex state, the state is 13`
`06:48.31`	`Shirik`	`I don't understand why this is any more effective than the ToS, but I don't understand the legal system`
`06:48.40`	`Iriel`	`Kivin: Anything you can use in a macro you can use in the driver`
`06:49.07`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: Since it's been filed as a legal document they can't argue that they didn't formally accept the conditions`
`06:49.14`	`Kivin`	`Iriel: thanks`
`06:49.17`	`Iriel`	`looks like pretty standard legal CYA`
`06:49.44`	`art3mis`	`and it allows them to suit legal damages should they persist`
`06:49.44`	`Iriel`	`plus this can be more specific`
`06:50.25`	`Iriel`	`for example. this include all servers systems and networks blizzard ever has had, or ever WILL have`
`06:50.52`	`art3mis`	`and covers future games since they filed as blizzard entertainment`
`06:51.02`	`art3mis`	`as long as it's blizz they're perm banned`
`06:51.13`	`art3mis`	`although`
`06:51.24`	`Shirik`	`but it won't be Blizzard :P`
`06:51.41`	`art3mis`	`that's why I said "although"`
`06:51.58`	`art3mis`	`wow will always be blizz`
`06:52.06`	`Shirik`	`I haven't read the papers on the merge, it may say something about that`
`06:52.06`	`art3mis`	`sc however...`
`06:53.28`	`Iriel`	`It's "Blizzard entertainment and Vivendi Games"`
`06:53.41`	`Iriel`	`so that's a pretty wide net`
`06:54.30`	`art3mis`	`but if it gets released as Blizzard-Activision`
`06:54.37`	`art3mis`	`or whatever that company they bought was`
`06:54.50`	`Iriel`	`But that's still part of the 'blizzard/vivendi' legal entity`
`06:55.07`	`art3mis`	`depends on how it was filed and how the game is registered`
`06:55.17`	`art3mis`	`it leaves a legal loophole`
`06:55.25`	`Iriel`	`It was filed as 'Blizzard Entertainment Inc. and Vivendi Games. Inc"`
`06:55.31`	`art3mis`	`I mean they'd still end up losing but it would be there`
`06:55.41`	`art3mis`	`I meant for Starcraft`
`06:55.48`	`art3mis`	`or wahtever new games they come out with`
`06:56.10`	`art3mis`	`if act is in there at all for reg'd owner....`
`06:57.22`	`Iriel`	`it's more an issue of 'if vivendi isn't the uber parent'`
`06:58.12`	`art3mis`	`and all in all it'll set a wierd precident`
`06:58.17`	`art3mis`	`precedent`
`06:58.29`	`art3mis`	`cyber restraining orders`
`06:58.31`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`06:58.38`	`art3mis`	`iRestrain!`
`06:59.11`	`Cidan`	`what retraining orders?`
`06:59.19`	`art3mis`	`http://virtuallyblind.com/files/Peons_Injunction.pdf`
`07:00.06`	`Shirik`	`note to self`
`07:00.13`	`Shirik`	`when using /script GetMouseFocus():Hide() to fix a problem`
`07:00.18`	`Shirik`	`be sure you're not hovering over the world frame`
`07:01.43`	`Cidan`	`that looks like an injunction to me`
`07:02.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`they settled`
`07:02.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`it wasnt a ruling`
`07:02.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`i wonder if my spelling gets worse the more tired i am`
`07:02.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`hmmm...`
`07:02.55`	`Cidan`	`it's a consent order, it has the power of law behind it`
`07:03.46`	`art3mis`	`and we know how well the law is respected in things that involve money ;p`
`07:03.55`	`art3mis`	`ed time for me!`
`07:03.59`	`art3mis`	`and bed time too`
`07:10.36`	`Guillotine`	`so disc priest/PoM frostbolt mage rocks in arena`
`07:11.13`	`Guillotine`	`me and roommate just hit 70 2 days ago with ours, and we're hovering around 1500 with level 60 BoE greens for gear`
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`07:38.20`	`Shirik`	`Cidan why are you up so late at night?`
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`07:42.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh, it seems that 1 or more of the people that went to the tiberium playtest have been posting information about the game even after signing a NDA`
`07:43.08`	`Shirik`	`Well you know how it works`
`07:43.11`	`Shirik`	`I sign an NDA`
`07:43.20`	`Shirik`	`I tell only whom I thought are my closest friends`
`07:43.24`	`Shirik`	`They would never tell anyone`
`07:43.29`	`Shirik`	`But they tell their closest friends`
`07:43.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes, well EA is not happy and they are starting to backtrace IP's acociated with the posts`
`07:43.42`	`Shirik`	`and eventually it gets to someone with a big enough mouth to post it on the internet, and they never signed an NDA`
`07:44.04`	`Fisker-`	`like me`
`07:44.08`	`Shirik`	`In general, the person whom signed the NDA, in my experience, has not been the person that most evidently broke it`
`07:44.11`	`Fisker-`	`also giev links`
`07:44.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik, telling it to yor friend breaks it`
`07:44.30`	`Shirik`	`"most evidently"`
`07:44.36`	`Shirik`	`"the person whom appears to have"`
`07:46.36`	`Fisker-`	`I'LL DESTROY YOU THUNDER_CHILD`
`07:46.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`what links??`
`07:46.50`	`batrick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:47.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker-, what links you annoying little man`
`07:47.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`?`
`07:47.34`	`Shirik`	`NO U R`
`07:47.51`	`Shirik`	`sober again batrick?`
`07:48.55`	`Fisker-`	`about the tiberium playtest`
`07:49.02`	`Shizen`	`brrr`
`07:49.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`no links, email, i was part of the test`
`07:49.10`	`Shizen`	`trying to override sleep with coffee`
`07:49.13`	`Shizen`	`fail horribly`
`07:49.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`or rather i was invited, i didnt end up going`
`07:49.20`	`Shizen`	`I'm immune to caffeine >_>`
`07:49.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`wish i had though`
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`07:49.47`	`Fisker-`	`giev secret nda info`
`07:49.48`	`Shirik`	`Shizen, any recommendations on a PCB company?`
`07:50.00`	`Shizen`	`errr none`
`07:50.03`	`Shizen`	`I make me own`
`07:50.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`what part of I DID NOT GO are you having trouble with?`
`07:50.19`	`Fisker-`	`none of it`
`07:50.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`then shush`
`07:50.26`	`Shirik`	`We don't exactly have the equipment for that, unless you're referring to those little boards with a billion holes in them`
`07:50.27`	`Fisker-`	`that doesn't stop me from harassing you about it though`
`07:50.34`	`Shirik`	`in which case we were hoping for something a little more professional ><`
`07:50.34`	`Shizen`	`no`
`07:50.41`	`Shizen`	`just plain old blank copper board`
`07:50.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`~harass Fisker-`
`07:50.43`	`Shizen`	`+ some solution`
`07:51.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`bah`
`07:51.03`	`Shizen`	`I assume you have a printing company around your place ?`
`07:51.15`	`Shizen`	`that can print gloss-surface negative ?`
`07:51.20`	`Shirik`	`wtf is that supposed to mean?!`
`07:51.23`	`Shirik`	`That username/password combination is already in use.`
`07:51.31`	`Shizen`	`omg haxed`
`07:51.34`	`Shirik`	`I can't log in because my cookies got cleared`
`07:51.40`	`Shirik`	`and the board doesn't recognize me offline`
`07:51.41`	`Shirik`	`are you serious?`
`07:51.46`	`Shizen`	`to where ?`
`07:51.46`	`Shirik`	`Who the hell designs software like this`
`07:51.49`	`Shizen`	`...the board ?`
`07:51.50`	`Shirik`	`guild forums`
`07:51.56`	`Shizen`	`oh...`
`07:51.59`	`Shizen`	`you were talking about PCB`
`07:52.05`	`Shirik`	`Yes and then I got sidetracked`
`07:52.06`	`Shizen`	`and then suddenly jumped to forum >_>`
`07:52.11`	`Shirik`	`I'm very random :P`
`07:52.23`	`Shizen`	`well pfft so am I`
`07:52.34`	`Shizen`	`but that'll give me excuse to stab you :P`
`07:52.42`	`Shizen`	`btw, I think PTR is not up yet, or is it ?`
`07:52.48`	`Shirik`	`don't believe so`
`07:52.49`	`Shizen`	`I do notice Khaz Modan went boom a few ago`
`07:53.12`	`Shizen`	`anyway`
`07:53.24`	`Shizen`	`assuming your lab is well equipped in term of design software`
`07:53.44`	`Shizen`	`get the PCB design into negative file and visit your nearest printer shop`
`07:53.50`	`Shizen`	`bringing along a sufficient sized blank PCB`
`07:54.21`	`Shizen`	`aurgh... still not up`
`07:54.25`	`Shizen`	`I wanna test new combat logs !!!!!`
`07:55.47`	`Iriel`	`Night all.`
`07:55.57`	`batrick`	`night`
`07:56.14`	`Shirik`	`You can't want 2.4 more than me :P`
`07:56.21`	`Shizen`	`I...`
`07:56.22`	`batrick`	`i don't want 2.4`
`07:56.24`	`Shirik`	`I completely stopped coding a critical portion of Conspiracy because 2.4 will break it :)`
`07:56.26`	`batrick`	`spellcraft will break :(`
`07:56.28`	`Shizen`	`I just want to test the new unique mob ID >_>`
`07:56.29`	`Shirik`	`ok, 2.4 PTR`
`07:56.51`	`Shizen`	`and all the CC pertaining possibilities`
`07:57.05`	`Shizen`	`a guildmate just asked me to make a hunter-trap watcher`
`07:57.18`	`Shizen`	`I told him that might went obsolete when the 2.4 patch goes live`
`07:57.26`	`Shizen`	`which might still be quite some time.... but still.......`
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`08:00.44`	`Shirik`	`night Cairenn\|afk`
`08:00.53`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`night night all :)`
`08:01.01`	`Shirik`	`for when you go to sleep in 2 hours`
`08:01.13`	`Shirik`	`at least when I do /nick Shirik`
`08:01.16`	`batrick`	`srsly`
`08:01.17`	`Shirik`	`at least when I do /nick Shirik\|zZz I go to sleep :P`
`08:01.22`	`batrick`	`lies`
`08:01.24`	`batrick`	`u didn't last night`
`08:01.33`	`Shirik`	`you were drunk last night, you obviously are making it up`
`08:01.39`	`batrick`	`neg`
`08:01.45`	`batrick`	`batbot: is shiriik a filthy liar?`
`08:01.45`	`batbot`	`batrick, As I see it, yes.`
`08:01.48`	`batrick`	`^`
`08:01.57`	`Shizen`	`-[16:01:17]- <@Shirik> at least when I do /nick Shirik\|zZz I go to sleep :P`
`08:02.00`	`Shizen`	`should I paste the log`
`08:02.03`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`Shirik: you're so full of shit - you're almost as bad as I am about changing your nick and not going to bed`
`08:02.06`	`Shizen`	`of you staying awake well HOURS after that ?`
`08:02.16`	`Shirik`	`I don't know what any of you are talkinga bout`
`08:02.21`	`batrick`	`haha`
`08:02.23`	`Shizen`	`oh right`
`08:02.25`	`Shizen`	`when you switch nick`
`08:02.28`	`Shizen`	`you switch personas`
`08:02.30`	`Shizen`	`.......not`
`08:02.45`	`Shirik`	`the REAL question is`
`08:02.49`	`batrick`	`--> foo = function() return pcall(foo) end return foo()`
`08:02.49`	`batbot`	`batrick: > true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true, nil, ead shirik`
`08:02.53`	`Shirik`	`should I put the dryer on before going to bed`
`08:03.01`	`Shirik`	`and piss off the lady downstairs`
`08:03.19`	`Shizen`	`sounds good to me`
`08:07.28`	`Shizen`	`hmmm`
`08:07.33`	`Shizen`	`time to ally with scryer or aldor`
`08:10.54`	`Shirik`	`Okay, second note to self`
`08:11.02`	`Shirik`	`Do not use "consume magic" immediately after casting "pain suppression"`
`08:11.32`	`Fisker-`	`btw Thunder_Child`
`08:11.44`	`Fisker-`	`why would EA email you about someone breaking teh NDA?`
`08:12.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker-, because i was invited to the playtest`
`08:12.42`	`Fisker-`	`yeah?`
`08:14.26`	`Shirik`	`are they saying something like "come forward and the penalties will not be as severe" ?`
`08:16.42`	`Fisker-`	`Do you think they'll get a court order on the basis of an NDA breach?`
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`08:17.32`	`Shirik`	`I am so incredibly overpowered it's not even funny`
`08:17.32`	`Shirik`	`priests being able to tank in EOTS = so much fun`
`08:18.14`	`batrick`	`man`
`08:18.20`	`batrick`	`i want to play my mage again so bad`
`08:18.23`	`Fisker-`	`everyone can tank in EOTS`
`08:18.27`	`Fisker-`	`there's nothing to tank`
`08:18.32`	`Shirik`	`that's not what I mean`
`08:18.46`	`cncfanatics`	`yo peeps`
`08:18.46`	`Shirik`	`I mean just rushing in to 8 alliance, having them all beat on you, and then they slowly die off, though you're not sure why`
`08:18.47`	`Fisker-`	`that's what i made you mean`
`08:19.02`	`Shirik`	`and then you suddenly realize you tanked them for 2 minutes while all your buddies arrived`
`08:19.25`	`Shirik`	`this one rogue must really be pissed off, he must have had me like 3 times, then I somehow pulled out of it`
`08:19.50`	`Fisker-`	`lets play executioner and deathrow inmate`
`08:19.54`	`Fisker-`	`i'll be the executioner`
`08:21.37`	`Shirik`	`the V is important, it dispels sigsegv too`
`08:21.46`	`Fisker-`	`it's not a magic`
`08:21.52`	`Fisker-`	`it's skills`
`08:22.16`	`Shirik`	`yeah but see my computer segfaulted, and in the process, corrupted the memory associated with that spell, and it became magic`
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`08:38.59`	`bleeter_`	`is it just me, or did the blizz forums collapse?`
`08:41.22`	`bleeter`	`hmm, just me... odd`
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`08:50.06`	`Nom_`	`hmm... how's the wow ui updater thing going? is it stable now? :)`
`08:51.35`	`Shirik`	`Who's that directed at?`
`08:52.18`	`Shirik`	`anyway, night`
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`08:53.40`	`Nom_`	`Anyone :P`
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`08:57.52`	`batrick`	`SHIRIK`
`08:58.04`	`batrick`	`oi`
`09:18.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`BATRICK io`
`09:19.02`	`batrick`	`hi`
`09:20.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`hi batrick, go to bed`
`09:20.34`	`batrick`	`y`
`09:29.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`y not`
`09:29.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`Olevia 52� 1080p LCD TV`
`09:30.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`$1,599.99`
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`11:54.19`	`Nom_`	`Anyone know of an ingame item link builder?`
`11:54.44`	`Nom_`	`So I can like take a base item, virtually add gems to it and enchants and create an item link for it`
`11:58.57`	`\|Pixel\|`	`for enchants, glowfosho has this feature`
`11:59.00`	`\|Pixel\|`	`for gems, dunno`
`12:02.34`	`Fisker-`	`i think you can make your own items with wowequip`
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`12:30.39`	`Shizen`	`get devtools and see how it's linked ? :o`
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`13:47.15`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`"There was an error on the MA 345 Schedule/Assignment sheet. For 2/1/2008 it listed problems 3.3 (5), 3.4 (1, 3). It should have listed 3.3 (5), 3.5 (1, 3). Sorry for the error."`
`13:47.24`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`"Date:Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:39:36 -0500"`
`13:47.35`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I'm not quite sure what his objective was in telling usthat >.>`
`13:47.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So now.... you have to do the correct ones, I guess?`
`13:47.50`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`it was due 3 days ago...`
`13:49.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Maybe he's apologizing to the people he gave "F" grades to, thinking they had done the wrong thing, when it was his fault?`
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`13:57.41`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`heh I dunno`
`13:58.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Security through obfuscation.`
`13:59.04`	`\|pez\|`	`waha, finally got rid of a ton of bottles, and paper, cardboard, and milkcartons!`
`13:59.36`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`?`
`14:00.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`\|pez\| has been avoiding housework again. :)`
`14:00.23`	`\|pez\|`	`Yeah, the cardboard stuff has more or less accumulated the whole time we've been living here.`
`14:00.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Eep. That's never a good sign.`
`14:00.48`	`\|pez\|`	`bottles and soda/beercans not as much. :P But the number of those were close to 100.`
`14:02.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I need... to do a serious cleaning as well. Start subtly separating our various "his" and "hers" objects. frump`
`14:02.45`	`\|pez\|`	`:\`
`14:02.53`	`\|pez\|`	`this is my first serious cleaning since we moved here.`
`14:03.05`	`\|pez\|`	`Been doing small cleanings here and there, but it needs a serious one now. :P`
`14:03.07`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I've been avoiding housework too`
`14:03.10`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`want to come do mine?`
`14:03.15`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`My parents are coming down this saturday`
`14:03.18`	`\|pez\|`	`no, not really.`
`14:03.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Not on your life, Shirik. What I have to do here is going to be hard enough...`
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`14:10.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`sigh They killed Vashj while I was busy with the Superbowl.`
`14:13.27`	`Kalroth`	`Lopeppeppy: Priorities. You aint got 'em!`
`14:15.06`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`So when I was a kid (maybe 8th grade or so) I always wanted to know what those log, ln, cos, tan, all those fun little buttons on the calculator did that seemed to have no purpose`
`14:15.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I was asleep through half of the Superbowl anyway, Kalroth, I'm incredibly sick.`
`14:15.33`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I now realize I was an idiot for wanting to know what they did, and wish those things never existed so I don't have to use them`
`14:16.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I rather hated having to use them too, but I despise maths.`
`14:16.43`	`Shirik`	`Actually I probably couldn't get along without them`
`14:16.48`	`Shirik`	`right now`
`14:17.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You have my deepest sympathies, dear.`
`14:18.15`	`Shirik`	`I'm the one who chose to be a computer engineer`
`14:19.09`	`Shirik`	`I'm the one who chose to learn things like "oh, btw, remember that 'i' thing they told you in high school? Yeah, sqrt(-1)? Yeah, it was wrong. It's actually 'j'."`
`14:19.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You knew the torture you were setting yourself up for. :)`
`14:20.23`	`Shirik`	`"Oh and remember F=ma? Yeah, it's actually F=m*(d2x/dt2) because we like differentials. If you use 'a' you are WRONG"`
`14:21.40`	`Shirik`	`And only my professors would put in their syllabus:`
`14:21.53`	`Shirik`	`Exam 00, Exam 01, Exam 10, Exam 11`
`14:22.17`	`Shirik`	`sadly,`
`14:22.24`	`Shirik`	`someone asked what happened to exams 2 - 9`
`14:23.05`	`nevcairiel`	`i hope he failed all of them`
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`14:23.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh dear. Even I know what happened to those exams.`
`14:23.17`	`Shirik`	`Hey this sounds like a fun chapter to read "Convolution and LTI Systems"`
`14:23.50`	`Shirik`	`I think they intentionally pick complex sounding names`
`14:24.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The more syllables in the name, the more you have to pay for the book.`
`14:26.24`	`Shirik`	`that is a very good point`
`14:26.32`	`Shirik`	`they intentionally make the books longer, huh.`
`14:26.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yup. $20 per page.`
`14:26.45`	`ralfWORK`	`nevcairiel: indeed, I hope he failed all of them who asked that question`
`14:29.10`	`Shirik`	`nevcairiel: I have to admit, most of them are EE guys`
`14:29.16`	`Shirik`	`so they're kinda off the hook`
`14:29.28`	`nevcairiel`	`everyone needs to know binary`
`14:29.29`	`nevcairiel`	`imho`
`14:29.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik... I'm a book geek girl, and even I have a clue about binary.`
`14:29.41`	`Shirik`	`Yeah but you're Lopeppeppy`
`14:31.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, that makes it better? sad laugh`
`14:34.02`	`Shirik`	`ok, I have determined in this chapter that I'm supposed to read ("Convolution and LTI Systems")`
`14:34.52`	`Shirik`	`They (1) tell you what the "Convolution Sum" is, and derive it for you, they discuss "FIR Convolution" and discuss interesting properties of convolution (associative, communative, etc.)`
`14:35.02`	`Shirik`	`But they don't actually tell you WHAT convolution is.`
`14:36.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`FIR, obviously.`
`14:37.38`	`Shirik`	`"We say that the sequence x[n] is /convolved/ with the sequence h[n] to produce the output y[n]"`
`14:37.38`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`14:37.43`	`Shirik`	`I love this terminology`
`14:38.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So... convolved = convolution? I love the verb form, I totally do. Sounds kinky.`
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`15:12.02`	`Shirik`	`batrick, cladhaire, ping?`
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`15:12.40`	`Nom_`	`joy`
`15:12.47`	`Nom_`	`Cleared SSC and TK in one week for the first time`
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`15:13.35`	`Nom_`	`Anyone know the minimum ap/crit i should aim for on my huntard for Karazhan/SSC-TK ?`
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`15:14.59`	`[dRaCo]`	`Nom-: just get him max blue for karazhan and kara/gruul/heroics-stuff for ssc/tk, you'll be fine then`
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`15:17.31`	`Nom-`	`nice, lopoppeppy sent me some details`
`15:17.49`	`Nom-`	`1400ap/15%crit/5%hit for BM`
`15:18.26`	`Nom-`	`I'm basicall there.. a few AP short, but that's due to lack of enchants...`
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`15:31.07`	`ralfWORK`	`don't be cheap about enchants ;)`
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`15:46.52`	`ralfWORK`	`got my warrior to 46 this weekend`
`15:46.54`	`ralfWORK`	`finally got MS`
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`15:54.03`	`Nom-`	`http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2654/tocrushthineenemiesseetyo7.jpg <-- EPIC`
`15:55.38`	`malreth`	`O_O`
`15:55.47`	`malreth`	`...`
`15:55.51`	`malreth`	`fuck`
`15:56.59`	`Valaron\|Work`	`That's full of win.`
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`16:02.56`	`ralfWORK`	`wow yes it is`
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`17:02.19`	`Lunessa`	`... station`
`17:05.35`	`Industrial`	`Lunessa will be devastatho shi-`
`17:06.22`	`Lunessa`	`Once more, in a language I can speak/read/understand?`
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`17:07.20`	`Industrial`	`never mind`
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`17:10.02`	`Industrial`	`Bela\|work: dunno if anyone ever mentioned it but thanks for wdn.wowinterface.com. It's helping me a lot :-)`
`17:10.31`	`Bela\|work`	`thank you`
`17:10.39`	`Bela\|work`	`helps to hear`
`17:10.53`	`Bela\|work`	`for a long time I didn't even know if anyone used it, till I started using google anlytics on it`
`17:10.58`	`Industrial`	`heh`
`17:11.06`	`Bela\|work`	`that opened my eyes a lot`
`17:11.17`	`Industrial`	`its next to wowwiki in my tabs when devving ;)`
`17:11.17`	`Bela\|work`	`lots of people overseas use it too`
`17:12.01`	`Bela\|work`	`fyi, I have a visual compare solution coming soon. I never meant for the flat diffs to be the only way to visualize changes`
`17:12.15`	`Bela\|work`	`download of the flat diffs will still be there though`
`17:12.31`	`Lunessa`	`It's really useful. It sure as hell beats diff-ing the files on my local machine all the time.`
`17:12.54`	`Industrial`	`I use it most to actually read the code`
`17:12.59`	`Bela\|work`	`its mega easy now that its svn-based.`
`17:13.01`	`Industrial`	`of the latest live`
`17:13.17`	`ralfWORK`	`wow`
`17:13.24`	`ralfWORK`	`those wow patches?`
`17:13.30`	`Bela\|work`	`huh? yeah`
`17:13.36`	`ralfWORK`	`interesting`
`17:13.41`	`Industrial`	`hehe :)`
`17:13.43`	`Bela\|work`	`a new convert....`
`17:13.52`	`ralfWORK`	`:)`
`17:14.37`	`Bela\|work`	`I am not totally happy with the banner either`
`17:14.47`	`Bela\|work`	`if anyone has graphical idea, let me know`
`17:14.56`	`ralfWORK`	`i'm horrible with this`
`17:14.58`	`ralfWORK`	`*that`
`17:16.23`	`Lunessa`	`So last night I got 6 friends and 3 strangers to sign a charter for my vanity guild. I wanted my own guild bank. <Dry Wit and Sarcasm> lives!`
`17:16.36`	`ralfWORK`	`lol`
`17:16.43`	`ralfWORK`	`nice work`
`17:17.10`	`ralfWORK`	`so I haven't really run the numbers`
`17:17.30`	`ralfWORK`	`but is that 1st bank slot cheaper than buying bags for a bank alt toon?`
`17:17.47`	`ralfWORK`	`or is it simply the raw space that a bank alt can't provide?`
`17:18.00`	`art3mis`	`its so he doesn't have to relog ;P`
`17:18.12`	`ralfWORK`	`erm`
`17:18.19`	`Lunessa`	`And I can use armory to view the inventory`
`17:18.31`	`ralfWORK`	`only if your main toon is in the same guild ya`
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`17:18.50`	`Lunessa`	`No, just login. :)`
`17:18.57`	`Lunessa`	`Wrong shards.`
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`17:19.20`	`ralfWORK`	`Lunessa: is it more more raw space or is it cheaper per slot?`
`17:19.35`	`Lunessa`	`98 slots for 100g`
`17:19.38`	`ralfWORK`	`(just curious; I've known a few people to do the same thing you did just haven't found out why)`
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`17:19.44`	`ralfWORK`	`right...`
`17:19.53`	`ralfWORK`	`alt toon is free...`
`17:19.55`	`Lunessa`	`So the first tab = cheaper`
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`17:20.08`	`ralfWORK`	`slap 5 bags on him... 5g a pop`
`17:20.13`	`ralfWORK`	`for 16 slotters`
`17:20.30`	`Lunessa`	`armory access...`
`17:20.31`	`ralfWORK`	`is 80 slots`
`17:20.33`	`ralfWORK`	`ok`
`17:20.38`	`art3mis`	`its 1 5 10 25 50 100 for the slots though isn't it?`
`17:20.48`	`alestane`	`cog\|work: do you care about updating ReappearingUnitFrames at all?`
`17:20.49`	`art3mis`	`its been so long since I've purcahsed them`
`17:20.49`	`ralfWORK`	`art3mis: I meant on the alt's person`
`17:20.54`	`art3mis`	`nods ralf`
`17:20.58`	`art3mis`	`oh not bank`
`17:21.01`	`art3mis`	`nevermind`
`17:21.01`	`ralfWORK`	`right`
`17:21.10`	`Lunessa`	`alestane: it's obsolete`
`17:21.11`	`cog\|work`	`art3mis: not really`
`17:21.18`	`cog\|work`	`:P`
`17:21.18`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`art3mis: also, bank slots top out at 50g now, or was it 25g?`
`17:21.26`	`ralfWORK`	`tops at 25g iirc`
`17:21.41`	`ralfWORK`	`don't get me wrong; armory access to your crap is awesome`
`17:21.49`	`alestane`	`Just checking....the bit for the Pet Action Bar is slightly broken now, but reduced taint issues should make it a non-problem.`
`17:21.51`	`ralfWORK`	`was just wondering if that 1st 100g tab is cheaper than a bank alt`
`17:21.53`	`ralfWORK`	`looks like not`
`17:21.54`	`art3mis`	`well there are downsides to the alt thing`
`17:22.00`	`art3mis`	`1. can't directly transfer to yourself`
`17:22.09`	`art3mis`	`2. you need to relog`
`17:22.12`	`Lunessa`	`Like being out of alt slots`
`17:22.19`	`ralfWORK`	`Lunessa: yes, that too :D`
`17:22.23`	`art3mis`	`3. you make too many trolls`
`17:22.42`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`there are problems to the guild bank solution too, say you already are in a guild on your main ;)`
`17:22.47`	`ralfWORK`	`art3mis: yea, but in my case, I wouldn't put all my toons in the vanity guild`
`17:22.53`	`ralfWORK`	`Esamynn\|Work: exactly`
`17:23.01`	`Lunessa`	`<--- RP server, leads a guild, lots of alts to fill roster-gaps or profession gaps. No room for new toons. When Wrath comes out I'm going to have to kill someone.`
`17:23.31`	`art3mis`	`"transfer to new account" ;)`
`17:23.34`	`ralfWORK`	`I kinda... GM a non-vanity guild so like...`
`17:23.47`	`art3mis`	`heh I ahve no friends so I AM my vanity guild`
`17:23.47`	`ralfWORK`	`would have to relog anyways :P`
`17:23.52`	`Bela\|work`	`it works for people like me though, who has two accounts, and can have all the chars on account2 in my vanity guild, sharing the guild bank, PLUS their own banks`
`17:23.55`	`art3mis`	`then again I have no alts either`
`17:23.59`	`ralfWORK`	`Bela\|work: ahh yes that's cool`
`17:24.10`	`Bela\|work`	`and transfer to my main charrs on account1`
`17:24.28`	`Bela\|work`	`the ultimate bank alts`
`17:24.40`	`Bela\|work`	`for hoarders`
`17:24.42`	`Bela\|work`	`hehe`
`17:25.18`	`art3mis`	`hey ales`
`17:25.26`	`alestane\|wow`	`art3mis: ?`
`17:25.28`	`art3mis`	`wanna make me a banner/logo thingy for my evil site?`
`17:25.47`	`alestane\|wow`	`I'm not very good at large art.`
`17:25.53`	`art3mis`	`oh`
`17:25.57`	`ralfWORK`	`I'm not very good at art`
`17:26.00`	`ralfWORK`	`period`
`17:26.07`	`alestane\|wow`	`I do a lot better with little detail stuff like those buttons.`
`17:26.12`	`art3mis`	`gotcha`
`17:26.31`	`art3mis`	`me neither`
`17:26.33`	`art3mis`	`;)`
`17:27.18`	`ralfWORK`	`I do good when I get a PSD from a designer`
`17:27.26`	`ralfWORK`	`and they say "make meh a webpaeg"`
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`17:27.38`	`ralfWORK`	`that's the limit of my "art" skills :P`
`17:28.10`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`17:28.40`	`art3mis`	`I need to find someoe to make me a banner/logo thingy for wowdev`
`17:28.42`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`17:28.58`	`ralfWORK`	`oh wait I have an example of my artwork`
`17:29.03`	`Lunessa`	`<-- Meh art skills.`
`17:29.27`	`Lunessa`	`But I have no less that 4 graphic artists in my guild.`
`17:29.52`	`ralfWORK`	`lucky you`
`17:31.40`	`ralfWORK`	`this is my art`
`17:31.41`	`ralfWORK`	`http://www.dotc.biz/img/Queen-UB.jpg`
`17:32.07`	`Kaso`	`What sorta logo/banner do you need`
`17:35.52`	`art3mis`	`something that matches the sites style/color and doesn't look like ass`
`17:36.09`	`art3mis`	`you know something completely opposite to what I have now`
`17:37.29`	`ralfWORK`	`lol`
`17:38.07`	`art3mis`	`something that captures wow, programming, exploration, exploiters etc`
`17:39.02`	`art3mis`	`oh and btw`
`17:39.06`	`art3mis`	`I've got lotgd`
`17:39.14`	`art3mis`	`you all need to go play that!`
`17:39.33`	`Bela\|work`	`lotgd?`
`17:39.58`	`Cidan`	`http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=512113&in_page_id=1774`
`17:40.02`	`Cidan`	`woah.`
`17:41.52`	`art3mis`	`legend of the green dragon`
`17:41.57`	`art3mis`	`its a LoRD clone`
`17:42.42`	`art3mis`	`anna freil is a cutie`
`17:42.52`	`art3mis`	`I miss pushing daisies it needs to come back`
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`17:44.34`	`art3mis`	`I think I want kristin chenowynth for valentines day too`
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`17:46.53`	`Bela\|work`	`whats wowdev?`
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`17:50.47`	`art3mis`	`a technically bad, but hopefully informative site ;P`
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`17:53.18`	`Kaso`	`howcome what i assume is the domain is currently parked by some adspam service`
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`17:54.37`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that should be illegal imo :P`
`17:54.38`	`Cidan`	`Shirik\|Ecole: Er`
`17:54.49`	`Cidan`	`Shirik\|Ecole: I take it you didn't see mah message, hm`
`17:54.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`not on this computer`
`17:55.08`	`mikma`	`ok, any leveling miners here?`
`17:55.11`	`Cidan`	`Shirik\|Ecole: I will add Window:SetTitleBarColor(r,g,b) and Window:SetTitleBarTexture(texture)`
`17:55.25`	`Cidan`	`Shirik\|Ecole: But only for themes that support it; the default theme will support it`
`17:55.42`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Cidan: <3`
`17:56.05`	`Lunessa`	`mikma: I did it recently, why?`
`17:56.30`	`mikma`	`Lunessa: the same coppervein gave me 2 skillspoints when i waited 5mins between veining it`
`17:56.49`	`Lunessa`	`Odd.`
`17:57.10`	`ralfWORK`	`mikma: lucky!`
`17:57.11`	`mikma`	`so i tested it couple of times. it seems like veins have a timer for the skillpoints`
`17:57.22`	`ralfWORK`	`really?`
`17:57.25`	`mikma`	`it wasn't 1min, 2min, or 3min. but when i waited 5min, i got another point`
`17:57.34`	`mikma`	`now i'll retest it many many times to see is it true`
`17:57.39`	`ralfWORK`	`mikma: did you test different types of veins?`
`17:57.42`	`ralfWORK`	`or just copper?`
`17:57.48`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`mikma: Surely it must be faster to just go find another ><`
`17:57.49`	`art3mis`	`kaso its wowdev .net`
`17:57.59`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`Shirik\|Ecole: that's probably the idea`
`17:58.02`	`art3mis`	`;)`
`17:58.05`	`mikma`	`just copper now, not enough skill to vein anything else`
`17:58.08`	`ralfWORK`	`Shirik\|Ecole: I've had a craptastic time finding mithrill veins`
`17:58.22`	`mikma`	`Shirik\|Ecole: yes i know that, but decided to share my findings anyway`
`17:58.22`	`ralfWORK`	`but it's also because I'm not high enough level`
`17:59.06`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`ralfWORK: I did a loop around the dragon place in the area south of Loch Modan (Badlands?) when I was on mithril and needing to up my skill`
`17:59.21`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`art3mis, surely I can trust you won't be talking about that site anymore in the future, right?`
`17:59.22`	`ralfWORK`	`Esamynn\|Work: what level/class?`
`17:59.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`not in this channel, anyway`
`17:59.43`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`ralfWORK: Shaman, 40 something I think`
`17:59.49`	`ralfWORK`	`Esamynn\|Work: hmm k`
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`18:00.31`	`art3mis`	`Shirik: if someone asks I'll tell them, much like my beliefe on other information however I wont be direct linking it as such..`
`18:00.43`	`art3mis`	`I've already gone over it with cairenn`
`18:01.10`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Anyway, I have to run now`
`18:01.12`	`ralfWORK`	`Esamynn\|Work: I've been trying Hinterlands`
`18:01.13`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`behave, art3mis`
`18:01.21`	`ralfWORK`	`I hate that place`
`18:01.31`	`ralfWORK`	`but I got quests in Tanaris now, so I'll grab some BS there`
`18:01.37`	`ralfWORK`	`looks like all Iron there though`
`18:01.40`	`Kaso`	`red text on the front page >.<`
`18:01.43`	`art3mis`	`how can you ahte hintherlands`
`18:01.47`	`Kaso`	`me no likie this design`
`18:01.52`	`art3mis`	`its sooo much fun dodging trolls and slime`
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`18:02.19`	`\|pez\|`	`Hinterlands = Mithril in my world.`
`18:02.26`	`ralfWORK`	`and stealth dogs`
`18:02.29`	`Kaso`	`I remeber when hinterlands was first "fixed" it was awesome week questing there`
`18:02.30`	`ralfWORK`	`and boomkins`
`18:02.53`	`art3mis`	`hehe I remmeber running across the bridge to see what was there and finding a new friend`
`18:03.01`	`Cidan`	`Desolace == best mithril place.`
`18:03.03`	`Cidan`	`period.`
`18:03.04`	`ralfWORK`	`hahahaahaha`
`18:03.29`	`art3mis`	`they need more quwests like that bag quest`
`18:03.34`	`art3mis`	`I loved that chain`
`18:04.10`	`ralfWORK`	`Cidan: hmm... maybe I'll try Desolace. I hate that entire continent really`
`18:04.21`	`\|pez\|`	`I didn't find a friend on the other side of the bridge ;__;`
`18:04.38`	`Cidan`	`ralfWORK: Same, but it's insane.`
`18:04.53`	`Cidan`	`ralfWORK: I can get 20+ mith on a single loop around deso`
`18:05.00`	`Cidan`	`if not more`
`18:05.06`	`ralfWORK`	`Cidan: wow`
`18:05.06`	`\|pez\|`	`I got 24 on my last Hinterlandsrun.`
`18:05.13`	`\|pez\|`	`add some iron and thorium too.`
`18:05.14`	`Cidan`	`a single loop takes 10 minutes maybe?`
`18:05.24`	`ralfWORK`	`\|pez\|: well the problem is I can't do all of Hinterlands with ease`
`18:05.27`	`ralfWORK`	`level 46`
`18:05.33`	`\|pez\|`	`Aah`
`18:05.35`	`ralfWORK`	`some level 50s hanging around I think`
`18:05.37`	`ralfWORK`	`so...`
`18:05.38`	`\|pez\|`	`I'm 61 with speedymount.`
`18:05.40`	`Cidan`	`Oh, that's just mith; if you want Iron you'll get about 40 ircn on a loop.`
`18:05.54`	`Cidan`	`and some silver/gold`
`18:05.54`	`ralfWORK`	`\|pez\|: ahh I see then :D`
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`18:06.21`	`\|pez\|`	`I don't like Kalimdor though, I try to keep the the eastern kingdom.`
`18:06.35`	`Valaron\|Work`	`$4/gig?`
`18:06.37`	`\|pez\|`	`Where can I find nice amounts of Thorium there though? XD (Eastern Kingdom)`
`18:06.43`	`Cidan`	`black fathom is the exception`
`18:06.49`	`Cidan`	`I <3 that place`
`18:06.50`	`alestane\|wow`	`EPL, Burning Steps.`
`18:06.53`	`Cidan`	`it's my favorite`
`18:06.58`	`Cidan`	`GOD DAMN IT`
`18:07.01`	`Cidan`	`I MISS OLD WOW`
`18:07.02`	`cog\|work`	`Valaron\|Work: it was 22.99 with $20 mail-in rebate but the rebate ended last month`
`18:07.04`	`Cidan`	`>:C`
`18:07.13`	`Valaron\|Work`	`Wow!`
`18:07.18`	`Valaron\|Work`	`From where, though?`
`18:07.22`	`cog\|work`	`sec`
`18:07.37`	`\|pez\|`	`I get a lot from running around in Un'goro for Thorium most of the time... but it's a hassele traveling all the time.`
`18:07.43`	`cog\|work`	`http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/HP/PX976AT/L49299/`
`18:07.53`	`cog\|work`	`heh... they raised the price`
`18:08.05`	`Lunessa`	`Use EPL/WPL or Burnning Steppes for Thorium`
`18:08.08`	`art3mis`	`so you bought from that link last week?`
`18:08.11`	`art3mis`	`nice!`
`18:08.15`	`cog\|work`	`art3mis: yep :)`
`18:08.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Whoo RAM`
`18:08.36`	`cog\|work`	`$16 for an 8x increase in ram on my server was well worth it :)`
`18:08.54`	`art3mis`	`3$ ram is always worth it P`
`18:09.29`	`Lunessa`	`2 gigs, I has it`
`18:09.31`	`cog\|work`	`i've got 4 gigs on my vista machine already`
`18:09.37`	`Lunessa`	`4gigs, I wants it`
`18:09.47`	`cog\|work`	`xms2 = win`
`18:09.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I could upgrade to 4GB for I think $40`
`18:09.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`xms2 <3`
`18:09.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`xmms2 = win`
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`18:09.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`xms2 = fail`
`18:10.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`xmms = ancient`
`18:10.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hence the 2 on the end :)`
`18:10.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh Corsair`
`18:10.20`	`art3mis`	`tiger direct had a deal alst week for a AMD64 2.4g quadcore for like 159$`
`18:10.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`ScytheBlade1: corsair high-end memory`
`18:10.22`	`Kaso`	`if you going for 4Gb gotta upgrade to x64 ofc`
`18:10.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Corsair = win`
`18:10.28`	`art3mis`	`too bad my mobo isn't am2`
`18:11.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*buys`
`18:11.09`	`cog\|work`	`ScytheBlade1: http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=xms2&word2=xmms2`
`18:11.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cog\|work: I'm going to cry when I clikc that, huh?`
`18:11.34`	`art3mis`	`ocz!`
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`18:11.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Actually haha, no I'm not`
`18:11.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`flash ftl`
`18:11.45`	`cog\|work`	`ScytheBlade1: if you're a wuss`
`18:11.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I can't even see that page!`
`18:12.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`... there it loads`
`18:12.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cog\|work: I deny everything`
`18:12.39`	`mikma`	`well, for me seems like the veins have 4min timer`
`18:12.40`	`Lunessa`	`I was with a friend. THe check is in the mail.`
`18:13.52`	`art3mis`	`HULLO!`
`18:14.02`	`Cairenn`	`HAI2U!`
`18:14.36`	`Lunessa`	`omg Cairenn hai2u2`
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`18:15.35`	`art3mis`	`you should be clean before you huggles girls luney`
`18:15.42`	`art3mis`	`or speaks to thems`
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`18:16.23`	`Lunessa`	`'chat speak' makes me feel mentally dirty`
`18:16.32`	`art3mis`	`mentally dity is fine`
`18:16.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`18:16.35`	`art3mis`	`chicks dig that ;P`
`18:16.59`	`Cairenn`	`heh, me too Lunessa, but it's good for a laugh some times`
`18:17.09`	`Lunessa`	`ya rly`
`18:17.16`	`cog\|work`	`s/fixe/fix/`
`18:17.23`	`malreth`	`cog\|work: have you considered doing drugs?`
`18:17.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cog\|work: I was just about to install MacroSqeuence too :/`
`18:17.31`	`malreth`	`i recommend heroin`
`18:17.42`	`cog\|work`	`malreth: I live in the SF bay area`
`18:17.45`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`i think cog's got the right outlook here, personally`
`18:17.46`	`malreth`	`~badidea`
`18:17.47`	`purl`	`this Bad Idea brought to you by malreth.`
`18:17.52`	`cog\|work`	`My grandmother lived in the haight during the 60s`
`18:17.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:17.59`	`cog\|work`	`draw your own conclusions :P\`
`18:18.05`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`but i'm generally not too optimistic about mankind`
`18:18.05`	`Cairenn`	`cog\|work: do we even want to know why?`
`18:18.21`	`art3mis`	`you don't think cog was born naturally that short do you?`
`18:18.35`	`Lunessa`	`cog\|work: Are you saying you're the direct result of lowered inhibitions and chemical experimentation?`
`18:18.40`	`art3mis`	`yer a gnome aincha?`
`18:18.42`	`Cairenn`	`cog\|work is definitely not short`
`18:19.03`	`Cairenn`	`then again ...`
`18:19.04`	`zenzelezz`	`TMI`
`18:19.09`	`art3mis`	`his mom hung around with dylan all the time so he grew up thinking 5'2 was gigantic!`
`18:19.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`rofl`
`18:19.31`	`art3mis`	`ciarenn is pocket sized`
`18:19.35`	`Lunessa`	`Cairenn: is hug-sized.`
`18:19.37`	`cog\|work`	`art3mis: no that was my grandma... my mom was only 5 during the summer of love...`
`18:19.58`	`art3mis`	`cog\|work: yeah and all the hippies and drugs stopped right after that summer eh? ;P`
`18:20.04`	`cog\|work`	`(and yes... she really did hang out with the likes of david crosby, jerry carcia, et al)`
`18:20.15`	`cog\|work`	`s/carcia/garcia/`
`18:20.18`	`art3mis`	`heh my wifes mom used to tour around with dylan et al`
`18:20.28`	`art3mis`	`which is funny sicne I can't stand dylans music`
`18:20.35`	`art3mis`	`but I like tom petty`
`18:20.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cog\|work: fwiw, I know the feeling (let the addons BURN!)... I have yet to update my minimap mod to accomodate the tracking frame rename ;)`
`18:21.03`	`Lunessa`	`I used to be a lighting and sound tech in the 80s - touring sucks`
`18:21.39`	`Cairenn`	`so, cog\|work, to go back a few twists in the conversation - what led to that comment, about just letting your mods die?`
`18:21.45`	`Lunessa`	`cog\|work: This is why I never release anything.`
`18:21.49`	`art3mis`	`Lunessa: you say that oly cuz you didn't get groupies`
`18:22.09`	`Lunessa`	`art3mis: cry You're mean. RIGHT, but mean.`
`18:22.48`	`cog\|work`	`Cairenn: i think i burned myself out with that last push on the book... I don't want to touch my addons with a 10 foot pole right now but people keep bugging me (rightly so, imo) about some nagging issues`
`18:22.48`	`Cairenn`	`ah`
`18:23.08`	`malreth`	`cog\|work: just do what i do... ignore them`
`18:23.15`	`Lunessa`	`Heh... 18 slot bag full of vanity pets. Oh boy.`
`18:23.24`	`ralfWORK`	`wow`
`18:23.33`	`art3mis`	`haha`
`18:23.41`	`art3mis`	`I only carry my cool ones`
`18:23.48`	`Lunessa`	`And I'm slacking.`
`18:23.51`	`cog\|work`	`malreth: hence my re-addiction to Eve`
`18:23.57`	`art3mis`	`egbert and the mechanical yeti`
`18:24.14`	`art3mis`	`both of which are capable of pulling aggro`
`18:24.24`	`art3mis`	`and both of which heal kazzak when they die ;P`
`18:24.51`	`art3mis`	`that's one of the best casual screenies`
`18:25.05`	`art3mis`	`kazzak at 1% and the mechanical yeti dying and them wiping`
`18:25.05`	`ralfWORK`	`that is... pretty goddamn funny`
`18:25.21`	`Lunessa`	`I would kill you.`
`18:25.28`	`art3mis`	`heh wasn't me ;P`
`18:25.39`	`Lunessa`	`you in the generic sense.`
`18:25.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's awesome`
`18:25.45`	`art3mis`	`doesn't mean I don't let egbert the crack adeled bird out In every raid ;P`
`18:26.11`	`ralfWORK`	`only our tank has egbert`
`18:26.15`	`ralfWORK`	`he can aggro whateve he wants`
`18:26.19`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`18:26.25`	`art3mis`	`they don't actually aggro things`
`18:26.30`	`ralfWORK`	`yes they do`
`18:26.32`	`art3mis`	`but sometimes yuo swear it was because of them`
`18:26.33`	`ralfWORK`	`I swear they do`
`18:26.36`	`ralfWORK`	`seen it happen!`
`18:26.51`	`art3mis`	`they are the best pets`
`18:26.52`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`18:28.06`	`Cairenn`	`the gophers used to`
`18:28.15`	`Cairenn`	`it was a bug, they actually did aggro`
`18:30.06`	`ralfWORK`	`just like egbert!`
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`18:37.55`	`Cairenn`	`morning peppy`
`18:38.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Morning sneeze Cairenn.`
`18:38.28`	`Cairenn`	`uh oh`
`18:38.33`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`oh noes`
`18:38.47`	`malreth`	`no! i wanna give it to her!`
`18:38.55`	`malreth`	`>_<`
`18:39.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`malreth, I didn't know you cared. wink`
`18:39.14`	`Josh_Borke`	`~emulate JoshBorke`
`18:39.15`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs Cairenn`
`18:39.18`	`malreth`	`wink back`
`18:39.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thanks, Cairenn. I just bought two big huge boxes of tissues and lots of soup. Yum.`
`18:39.37`	`malreth`	`sick?`
`18:39.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Miserable. I cried myself into sick this weekend, it's quite unfun.`
`18:40.04`	`malreth`	`:( you're going through a lot`
`18:40.08`	`Josh_Borke`	`you cried yourself into sick, that's quite bad`
`18:40.27`	`Cairenn`	`:(`
`18:40.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sucky time of life, malreth, but things have to go back uphill someday, right?`
`18:40.48`	`malreth`	`suck, yes.`
`18:40.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thanks, Cairenn. Grrrrl Power.`
`18:41.09`	`malreth`	`i try to have a buddha nature about such things, though`
`18:41.19`	`malreth`	`it comes off as uncaring to a lot of people`
`18:41.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm... working for a buddah nature. Or a least more of a "I'm rubber, you're glue, bounces off me and sticks to you" sorta thing. :P`
`18:41.44`	`malreth`	`but i just realize that there is a certain impermanence to everything in this world`
`18:42.30`	`malreth`	`and that nothing that anyone can say or do can affect me unless i choose to let it`
`18:42.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm actually holding onto those thoughts too. They help in some ways.`
`18:42.50`	`malreth`	`that's what i call empowerment`
`18:43.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Empowerment is only using my energy on the things I can actually change or improve. Wasting it crying over The Jerk only gets me a headache. I should instead waste it playing fetch with my cat -- lowers blood pressure!`
`18:44.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`heh @ fetch with a cat`
`18:44.38`	`malreth`	`i think my cat would give me that "you are insane" look if i tried to play fetch with him`
`18:44.56`	`Cairenn`	`one of my kitties plays fetch`
`18:45.31`	`malreth`	`mine hates any toy that i get for him... and then the dog chews it to pieces`
`18:45.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`She brings it back about 1/2 of the time, the rest of the time she sits on it and buries it, which means she's done anyway.`
`18:45.53`	`malreth`	`except for the catnip ball... he loved that`
`18:46.00`	`malreth`	`a ball made of solid catnip`
`18:46.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: how would I request to take a mod off of WoWI? (My own)`
`18:46.26`	`malreth`	`like a loopy jawbreaker for cats`
`18:46.27`	`Cairenn`	`you give me the link and I pull it`
`18:46.43`	`Cairenn`	`ScytheBlade1: pull completely, or move to outdated?`
`18:46.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6692-ProfessionExport.html - it's old. It never did anything in the first place. Nuke it pelase :)`
`18:46.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`pull completly`
`18:46.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*completely`
`18:47.02`	`Cairenn`	`gone`
`18:47.04`	`malreth`	`send it down the Memory Hole`
`18:47.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ty`
`18:47.10`	`malreth`	`it becomes an unaddon`
`18:47.20`	`Cairenn`	`you're welcome :)`
`18:47.37`	`malreth`	`http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzboy/collections/72157603850720361/`
`18:47.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Now for the rest of them... they either need .toc updates or tweaking`
`18:47.39`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`argh`
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`18:47.50`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`3 cups of coffee and a mountain dew and i'm still exhausted`
`18:48.06`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`i'm not getting enough sleep :/`
`18:48.09`	`malreth`	`i ran around downtown austin yesterday with a group of photographers`
`18:48.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I love Konqueror. So much sexy in such an awesome app.`
`18:48.26`	`malreth`	`the exercise was to take b&w shots of what we saw`
`18:48.34`	`malreth`	`with an eye for light and shapes`
`18:48.36`	`malreth`	`and stuffs`
`18:48.49`	`malreth`	`since i love attention, i post the link heree`
`18:49.12`	`malreth`	`there will be two more sets of photos added over the next two days`
`18:49.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Mr_Rabies, the whole caffeine thing is like the cake, a dreadful lie. Do some jumping jacks instead.`
`18:51.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`:/ @ cog`
`19:02.10`	`alestane\|wow`	`Actually, Cairenn, you can do the same of ExtractPetBar. The version that's up there is actually broken and the UIPanels updates should render an update unnecessary.`
`19:02.23`	`Cairenn`	`alestane\|wow: link, please`
`19:02.40`	`Cairenn`	`we always ask for a link, so that we make sure we delete the correct one`
`19:02.46`	`alestane\|wow`	`That's fine.`
`19:02.57`	`alestane\|wow`	`http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info7679-ExtractPetBar.html`
`19:03.19`	`Cairenn`	`delete, or move to outdated?`
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`19:03.49`	`alestane\|wow`	`You can delete it, I think; it was a hack for an old issue, and I think the version that's up there doesn't even load.`
`19:03.54`	`Cairenn`	`gone`
`19:05.11`	`alestane\|wow`	`Thanks.`
`19:05.17`	`Cairenn`	`welcome`
`19:06.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Whoops`
`19:06.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Er`
`19:06.36`	`Cairenn`	`which one ScytheBlade1`
`19:06.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Where can I do that? ;)`
`19:06.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Well, all of them technically`
`19:06.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I just updated them all`
`19:06.46`	`Cairenn`	`from, to`
`19:07.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Outdated -> General for YASMM and HMMB, Outdated -> Data Mods for ECLR`
`19:09.00`	`Cairenn`	`all moved, although I disagreed on the placement of one of them`
`19:09.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`\|pez\|, sometimes a bit of mean is required to keep the cosmic balance. Wear your Bitch Hat with pride, when you have to wear it at all.`
`19:09.07`	`Cairenn`	`YASMM went to MapMod`
`19:09.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's fine. Thanks!`
`19:09.38`	`Cairenn`	`welcome`
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`19:11.43`	`kd3\|lagged`	`geez at random crap I find on the net... a 126 meter wind turbine!`
`19:11.43`	`kd3\|lagged`	`http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1341/`
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`19:12.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Looks sweet and useful, kd3.`
`19:13.16`	`\|pez\|`	`Lopeppeppy: Bitch Hat is needed in this situation. I'm kicking someone off my webserver.`
`19:13.33`	`\|pez\|`	`and they're defenetly not going to like it.`
`19:15.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Is it a business decision? Then just stick to it. When they get into "I feel", stick with the facts.`
`19:15.35`	`\|pez\|`	`I've hosted them to be nice, and they've treated me like crap.`
`19:15.57`	`\|pez\|`	`I've tried to manage their forum in terms of making it all work.`
`19:16.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You pay the bills, you make the rules. Your new rule is that craptastic people need not apply. hug`
`19:16.20`	`\|pez\|`	`and they've rewarded me with stripping my account for admin rights, and changing the admin accounts password.`
`19:16.26`	`\|pez\|`	`so I went into the database and changed stuff ;P`
`19:16.57`	`\|pez\|`	`changed the admin password, and gave myself admin rights back.`
`19:17.09`	`\|pez\|`	`they have no clue what they're doing most of the time.`
`19:17.31`	`\|pez\|`	`So I've given them until the 15th of February, to collect data, incase the backup I ofcourse intend to make for them fails horribly.`
`19:18.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Give them their backup and their freedom to contract with a webhosting service of their choice. I had a lot of fun and good times with drak.net.`
`19:18.26`	`Lunessa`	`\|pez\|: Just do what I do. zip their content, mail it to them and flush them from the DNS`
`19:18.41`	`\|pez\|`	`they've paid me a couple of times, but I've been hosting this thing for like a year.`
`19:19.02`	`\|pez\|`	`I think I've used an entire day ++ in hours to make the forum work nicely.`
`19:19.23`	`Lunessa`	`Fuck'em - the internet is NOT free.`
`19:19.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hand them back their basketball, tell them to find a new court.`
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`19:20.02`	`\|pez\|`	`for them to pay me, I had to say "i'm broke, please gief moneys"`
`19:20.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`As Lunessa says, F that. That's not business or friendship, it's taking advantage. Get yourself a cup of tea and wash it out of your hair. Zip it and ship it.`
`19:21.01`	`Lunessa`	`I'm lucky. A friend of a friend is hosting our domain free of charge. It's a sweet deal and as long as I manage the tech myself, and he has to do nothing - it'll stay that way. :D`
`19:21.03`	`\|pez\|`	`I like some of the members though, so i've given them until 15 of Feb to collect their crap.`
`19:21.30`	`\|pez\|`	`these people know more or less nothing about how to run a forum.`
`19:21.43`	`\|pez\|`	`and they have no good forum ethics.`
`19:21.56`	`\|pez\|`	`they don't give warnings, and delete without talking to the people in question.`
`19:22.16`	`\|pez\|`	`they deleted stuff from my topic, because it was not 100% on the topic.`
`19:22.27`	`Lunessa`	`\|pez\|: See my point above "The Internet is NOT free."`
`19:22.41`	`\|pez\|`	`I know XD`
`19:23.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`For the friends you have, you make the backup and give them two weeks notice. for the asshats, you have The Bootski. Use both liberally. :)`
`19:23.18`	`Lunessa`	`All you can reasonably expect on a forum is that the admin will do whatever the hell they want. :D`
`19:23.24`	`\|pez\|`	`I got told off for sending a announcement to the moderators, because they thought it was a global announcement to all the members.`
`19:23.38`	`\|pez\|`	`Lopeppeppy: it's a forum, they're all mixed together ;P`
`19:23.42`	`Valaron\|Work`	`So...`
`19:23.49`	`Valaron\|Work`	`I beat No More Heroes this weekend.`
`19:23.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So put 'em in a blender, \|pez\| !`
`19:24.17`	`\|pez\|`	`Lunessa: here's the thing, I am the technical admin, and they stripped me of everything, cause I disagreed with them on some points on how they run their organization. :P`
`19:24.25`	`\|pez\|`	`or, I was the technical admin`
`19:24.30`	`\|pez\|`	`Now I'm not anymore.`
`19:24.35`	`Lunessa`	`You're the site owner.`
`19:24.46`	`Lunessa`	`That trumps the forum admin any day.`
`19:24.59`	`\|pez\|`	`I'm the server admin even`
`19:24.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They think they can take away your rights when you own the server. That's a hoot. I'd do a text search/replace on their forums, and they SO wouldn't like what I entered....`
`19:25.23`	`\|pez\|`	`which is how I sneaked around in the databases and changed stuff so I could get my permissios back, so I could post a gloal announcement.`
`19:25.48`	`Cidan`	`Oh fucking nice`
`19:25.53`	`Cidan`	`JFS doesn't support XATTR`
`19:25.57`	`Cidan`	`god damn it.`
`19:26.07`	`Lunessa`	`I have rules I live by, but one of them is "my server, my rules. I will give myself admin to whatever I want on my server." Woe to my kids if I ever have any.`
`19:26.09`	`\|pez\|`	`Cidan: want a hug? :P`
`19:26.24`	`Cidan`	`No, but now I need to reinstall the whole damn OS.`
`19:26.43`	`Lunessa`	`He wants a quart of jack and /favors/. But a hug will do for now. :P`
`19:27.06`	`Josh_Borke`	`isn't that the type of thing you check before formatting?`
`19:27.08`	`Josh_Borke`	`just curious`
`19:27.24`	`Cidan`	`I never really needed XATTR before`
`19:27.28`	`Cidan`	`and I've always used JFS`
`19:27.43`	`Lunessa`	`Ok, gotta run to do errands. Back in in a while.`
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`19:35.13`	`Cidan`	`you know`
`19:35.20`	`Cidan`	`Ubuntu really needs to come with a caldav server`
`19:35.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ubuntu was feeling adventuresome and free. Ubuntu did not want his hand held.`
`19:36.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ubuntu was hit by a truck crossing the street. See Ubuntu bleed.`
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`19:37.55`	`Cidan`	`Oh hey, I feel like a fool`
`19:37.56`	`kd3\|lagged`	`whee... the cable guys are playing with the amplifier that provides for the whole complex and are poking it with a stick`
`19:38.04`	`Cidan`	`JFS has XATTR always on`
`19:38.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oops, Cidan.`
`19:38.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`kd3, poke THEM with a stick.`
`19:38.18`	`Cidan`	`there's no option to enable it because it's already there`
`19:39.02`	`kd3\|lagged`	`heh... just lost tv`
`19:40.31`	`ralfWORK`	`oh that sucks`
`19:40.40`	`ralfWORK`	`I really hate watching that kind of thing happen`
`19:40.47`	`ralfWORK`	`when you see someone working for a provider`
`19:41.02`	`ralfWORK`	`and you know more than they do`
`19:41.12`	`ralfWORK`	`you want to just run out there and shove them out of the way`
`19:41.17`	`kd3\|lagged`	`I'm using my apartment complex's net right now. cable net access went down a few hours ago`
`19:41.20`	`ralfWORK`	`and be like "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG"`
`19:41.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I hate having to use the complex wireless, it drops me faster than... well, fast.`
`19:42.18`	`\|pez\|`	`I want a better internet connection`
`19:42.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I want a new apartment. :)`
`19:42.50`	`\|pez\|`	`Oh, I want that too.`
`19:43.00`	`\|pez\|`	`I'd love something with a room I can use as a office or something.`
`19:43.05`	`ralfWORK`	`I want the electrical to not be fucked at my house`
`19:44.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I think I'll be stuck in a studio apartment when I go looking, I can't afford much. But I'm going to start saving, I don't expect to be apartment hunting until this lease runs out in the late spring.`
`19:44.55`	`ralfWORK`	`it would be really nice if I could just not have to go to work and just stay home and fix the house`
`19:46.12`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I might go to the CIA, Peppy! We might be able to live together! roflamo`
`19:46.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Don't tempt me, \|Jelly\|. If I could afford it, I would be packing my bags right now. grin`
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`19:50.07`	`Industrial`	`cncfanatics: Until fb2 has a proper interface to set up buttons and groups in a script, being able to wipe the whole db and reapply your scripts like fb1 it's very hard to get what you want. I just can't play with it.`
`19:50.48`	`Industrial`	`remember the slash command macro scripts you could run? that was what made people make their own stuff`
`19:50.56`	`Industrial`	`and share it`
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`20:11.18`	`kd3\|lagged`	`huzzah, finally. a port to the CoT`
`20:11.27`	`ralfWORK`	`ol`
`20:11.28`	`malreth\|ghost`	`oh?`
`20:11.30`	`ralfWORK`	`*lol`
`20:13.00`	`batrick`	`Shirik\|Ecole: pong?`
`20:13.18`	`ralfWORK`	`silly question but uhm`
`20:13.23`	`kd3\|lagged`	`via http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ "New teleportation portal to the Caverns of Time accessible through reputation with Keepers of Time"`
`20:13.35`	`ralfWORK`	`is there a way you can bind a macro to say... Tab key? :P`
`20:13.36`	`batrick`	`btw Shirik\|Ecole, u said on the forumz: "According to the manual, the stack will have already been unwound and information is not available on where the error came from.", the stack isn't unwound on error :P`
`20:14.23`	`malreth`	`ralfWORK: you mean like /targetnearest?`
`20:15.06`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: in my specific intsance, I want tab to do exactly what it does... with the possibility of also /startattack`
`20:15.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`sigh i submitted code that didnt work and got 98/100 on it`
`20:15.24`	`batrick`	`you're in CS, you get an A for effort :)`
`20:15.34`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`batrick: Fair enough, I must have misread something`
`20:15.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`i call BS`
`20:15.38`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`the manual is pretty clear`
`20:15.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`and no, i am not in CS`
`20:15.49`	`batrick`	`lol`
`20:15.50`	`malreth`	`ralfWORK: doesn't the attack binding already do a target nearest if you have no target selected?`
`20:15.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`i am just taking the class for fun`
`20:16.04`	`malreth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:16.07`	`batrick`	`what class Thunder_Child`
`20:16.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`VB`
`20:16.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's required`
`20:16.25`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`This is what I misread`
`20:16.26`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Typically, the error handler function is used to add more debug information to the error message, such as a stack traceback. Such information cannot be gathered after the return of lua_pcall, since by then the stack has unwound.`
`20:16.29`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: oh I see. well, if I do the macro though, is there a way to do bind it to tab?`
`20:16.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`to take any later programing classes`
`20:16.30`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but that's for lua_pcall`
`20:16.51`	`malreth`	`ralfWORK: easy way is to put it on an action bar and bind that button to tab`
`20:17.01`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: hmm. ok`
`20:17.01`	`malreth`	`or you can use the SetBinding*() functions`
`20:17.08`	`batrick`	`Shirik\|Ecole: what did you want earlier`
`20:17.13`	`ralfWORK`	`I'm still not sure if this macro is a good idea ;)`
`20:17.17`	`malreth`	`!api SetBindingMacro`
`20:17.18`	`ThraeBot`	`malreth: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetBindingMacro`
`20:17.22`	`malreth`	`bleh`
`20:17.32`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`um`
`20:17.35`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I forget`
`20:17.40`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`OH`
`20:17.54`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I wanted to assert that io.popen still works on macos/linux`
`20:18.03`	`batrick`	`it does`
`20:18.08`	`batrick`	`why wouldn't it?`
`20:18.31`	`malreth`	`ralfWORK: no, it's a totally great idea to haphazardly start attacking whatever you target no matter what the circumstances... especially on PvE servers`
`20:18.34`	`malreth`	`~badidea`
`20:18.35`	`purl`	`this Bad Idea brought to you by malreth.`
`20:18.50`	`ralfWORK`	`rofl`
`20:18.52`	`batrick`	`batbot: is malreth terribad?`
`20:18.53`	`batbot`	`batrick, No.`
`20:18.57`	`batrick`	`liar`
`20:19.14`	`malreth`	`i am currently telling a lie`
`20:19.16`	`Bela\|work`	`isn't there already a bindable attack option in the default keybindings? or is it not functionally the same as /startattack?`
`20:19.17`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Because it has some code that returns an error "not supported," batrick`
`20:19.48`	`ralfWORK`	`or breaking CC?`
`20:19.48`	`malreth`	`also, i am not wearing a sombrero`
`20:19.48`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but I didn't get a chance to figure out what cases it may not be supported`
`20:20.31`	`batrick`	`i dunno`
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`20:21.18`	`ralfWORK`	`yea hmm... I'm gonna have to figure that out`
`20:21.26`	`ralfWORK`	`just looking for something maybe for tanking`
`20:21.39`	`Kaso`	`Yay, campus wide power cut`
`20:21.48`	`ralfWORK`	`will have to figure out exactly what I want to do`
`20:22.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Kaso, UPS ftw`
`20:22.52`	`Kaso`	`not much use when all the campus network hardware cept the backbone goes down :<`
`20:23.02`	`Kaso`	`guess i couldve gotten half and hour of portal or something`
`20:24.07`	`Kaso`	`though i did work out where the campus' two backup generators were by walking around.`
`20:24.34`	`Kaso`	`thus also locating the secondary server room roughly as well`
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`20:46.47`	`kd3`	`ah, much better`
`20:49.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Huzzah, kd3.`
`20:49.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`bbiab`
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`20:55.52`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`lua> 354/5`
`20:55.53`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik\|Ecole: 70.8`
`20:56.04`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`lua> 70.8/12`
`20:56.04`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik\|Ecole: 5.9`
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`21:13.03`	`malreth`	`Lunessa is a supahaxx0-r`
`21:13.20`	`Lunessa`	`wif l337 skillz yo`
`21:14.01`	`Lunessa`	`Actually, thje guy at the book store said the book changed his entire gaming experience.`
`21:14.20`	`malreth`	`that is a man who has never lived`
`21:15.51`	`Lunessa`	`Actually malreth I suspect he pulls rather well, if you know what I mean.`
`21:16.06`	`Lunessa`	`lol`
`21:16.46`	`Lunessa`	`He was a nice enough kid, and didn't blush when I asked him to find me a copy fo Clitoral.`
`21:17.35`	`Josh_Borke`	`did he ask you to lift your skirt or drop your pants?`
`21:17.55`	`Lunessa`	`No, he didn't. But he might have asked for my number.`
`21:18.37`	`Josh_Borke`	`he already has one strike against him, you called him a kid`
`21:18.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`so it's not like he stands a chance there ;-P`
`21:18.50`	`Lunessa`	`Josh_Borke: Anyone under 25 is a kid`
`21:19.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`so you like robbing the cradle?`
`21:19.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`;-P`
`21:19.32`	`Lunessa`	`You under 25? Do put out on the first date?`
`21:19.38`	`Josh_Borke`	`yes to both accounts!`
`21:19.41`	`Lunessa`	`And ... I'm a GUY`
`21:19.48`	`Josh_Borke`	`hm`
`21:19.54`	`Josh_Borke`	`why did i think you were female?`
`21:20.11`	`Lunessa`	`it's the -a ending`
`21:20.13`	`malreth`	`because he said the word, "clitoral" earlier`
`21:20.20`	`Josh_Borke`	`it IS the a ending`
`21:20.22`	`malreth`	`only womens say that word`
`21:20.46`	`Josh_Borke`	`never mind all my previous comments`
`21:21.09`	`Lunessa`	`Damn it Josh_Borke!`
`21:22.09`	`malreth`	`one of my friends is convincing me to start selling photos on etsy`
`21:22.33`	`Lunessa`	`malreth: You have a good eye for composition. I think you would do well.`
`21:22.35`	`malreth`	`i think Lunessa's pic will fetch at least $12`
`21:23.03`	`Lunessa`	`How much for the rights in perpetuity?`
`21:23.53`	`malreth`	`you get nothing since the picture will only be used for editorial/artistic purposes`
`21:23.56`	`Cidan`	`Lunessa: I thought you were a gal too when I first saw your nick`
`21:24.13`	`malreth`	`as long as i don't try to sell shampoo with your face, i'm fine`
`21:24.19`	`Lunessa`	`Cidan: It's based on my WoW toon. Since that's what I used on the forums.`
`21:24.55`	`Lunessa`	`malreth: Good luck selling shampoo with my fucking bald noggin. :P`
`21:25.19`	`malreth`	`yeah... that'd be a campaign doomed for failure... or for GREATNESS`
`21:25.35`	`Lunessa`	`GREATNESS!`
`21:25.45`	`malreth`	`"It made my hair worse!" "Worse? Or better?"`
`21:26.04`	`Lunessa`	`It mad it GONE`
`21:26.56`	`Lunessa`	`i r teh bald now, oh noes. lawl`
`21:27.14`	`ralfWORK`	`hmmm got a ZA question`
`21:27.32`	`ralfWORK`	`isn't there some trick to beating on the gong and opening the door?`
`21:27.47`	`ralfWORK`	`also, what's the story with the first bit of scripted trash when it opens`
`21:28.07`	`ralfWORK`	`(is it on wowwiki somewhere?)`
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`21:34.00`	`ralfWORK`	`(why is it I can never find information on trash mobs? :P)`
`21:36.09`	`Lunessa`	`respectable web sites don't associate with /their/ sort.`
`21:36.55`	`ralfWORK`	`yea probably`
`21:38.13`	`ralfWORK`	`probably because "lol it's just trash"`
`21:41.19`	`ralfWORK`	`if you can't kill the trash you can't kill the boss nub!`
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`21:47.34`	`Kaso`	`Boss fights are so spoiled these days you dont need any sort of taction to deal with them, so all is left is trash for you to tactise (?) yourself`
`21:47.48`	`Kaso`	`Half the fun of encounters is working out stratergies yourself i think`
`21:47.50`	`ralfWORK`	`an interesting process`
`21:47.55`	`ralfWORK`	`erm sorry`
`21:48.11`	`ralfWORK`	`an interesting comment, rather`
`21:48.18`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Kaso: It's so true`
`21:48.33`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`everyone's in it just for the loots it seems`
`21:48.37`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`nobody wants to have fun, just to win`
`21:48.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Half of the time our group can't use the strategies posted, we always manage to cobble something together that works better for our makeup.`
`21:48.42`	`malreth`	`Lunessa: yeah... actually i can sell your photo with impunity. muah ha ha!! i'll make meeellions!!`
`21:49.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`malreth, I'll buy! :)`
`21:49.16`	`malreth`	`hurrah!`
`21:49.28`	`ralfWORK`	`Shirik\|Ecole: eh. that assumes everyone can play at the same level`
`21:49.29`	`malreth`	`for you my friend, 9 dollars`
`21:49.32`	`Lunessa`	`malreth: Be sure to sell it to promote porn.`
`21:49.33`	`batrick`	`shirik is in it for the loots, look at his dkp`
`21:49.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, I can't buy porn, I'm still a married spud!`
`21:50.05`	`malreth`	`Lunessa: ah... that one i couldn't do... can't use it to promote another product commercially`
`21:50.21`	`malreth`	`wait...`
`21:50.29`	`malreth`	`you can't buy porn when you're married?`
`21:50.39`	`malreth`	`o_o`
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`21:50.50`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`impressive`
`21:50.53`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`ralfWORK == haxor`
`21:51.03`	`ralfWORK`	`I iz :(`
`21:51.13`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`anyway, no I don't see how it depends on skill level`
`21:51.28`	`ralfWORK`	`Shirik\|Ecole: the ability to have situational awareness`
`21:51.43`	`ralfWORK`	`I generally work with people who have zero`
`21:51.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`malreth, not at this juncture of my whacked out marriage un-bliss.`
`21:51.55`	`malreth`	`T_T`
`21:52.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`YMMV, always negotiate this aspect of the contract ahead of time.`
`21:53.14`	`Alex_Gaynor`	`Can anyone recommend a resource, or offer any information on how to create an addon for gathering data, similar to the wowhead or thottbot addon`
`21:53.17`	`Lunessa`	`... instancing,...`
`21:53.32`	`ralfWORK`	`"run in and do what you've been trained to do (tank/heal/dps/whatever)" only works when you have 10 ppl who have actually trained`
`21:53.32`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik\|Telnet (n=Shirik@155.31.173.88)`
`21:53.39`	`Shirik\|Telnet`	`most impressive.`
`21:53.49`	`ralfWORK`	`Shirik\|Ecole: my hax are still running btw`
`21:53.53`	`Shirik\|Telnet`	`Apparently every time raph pings me, I die >.>`
`21:53.55`	`malreth`	`Alex_Gaynor: just take the addons that wowhead uses and copy/paste them. doing so is completely and totally legal and will not get you sued ever.`
`21:53.58`	`malreth`	`~badidea`
`21:53.59`	`purl`	`this Bad Idea brought to you by malreth.`
`21:54.20`	`ralfWORK`	`lewl`
`21:54.52`	`Alex_Gaynor`	`malreth: Hehe`
`21:54.53`	`Shirik\|Telnet`	`coolest`
`21:55.03`	`Shirik\|Telnet`	`I can't seem to close mirc`
`21:55.22`	`malreth`	`ralfWORK, quit fucking up Shirik's shit`
`21:55.35`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: I can't help it :(`
`21:55.42`	`Shirik\|Telnet`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:55.44`	`ralfWORK`	`lololololokk I'll stop`
`21:55.46`	`malreth`	`no. you just can't, can you.`
`21:57.01`	`malreth`	`ThraeBot, is ralfWORK a supahaxx0-r?`
`21:57.17`	`malreth`	`~fail me`
`21:57.17`	`purl`	`malreth: Fail.`
`21:57.24`	`ralfWORK`	`btw... wtf telet?`
`21:57.27`	`ralfWORK`	`*telnet`
`21:57.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`telephone network`
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`21:57.46`	`ralfWORK`	`people still use Telnet?`
`21:57.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`in some situation yes`
`21:58.00`	`malreth`	`batbot, is ralfWORK a modosupahypahaxxor-zeta force go?`
`21:58.00`	`batbot`	`malreth, My sources say no.`
`21:58.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`situations*`
`21:58.34`	`ralfWORK`	`heh. connecting to routers is 1 thing`
`21:58.43`	`malreth`	`there you go, ralfWORK. you are an ordinary human incapable of haxxor feats`
`21:59.05`	`ralfWORK`	`last time I got on IRC via telnet was with my sparcstation 10`
`21:59.20`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: I already haxed batbot though`
`22:00.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`"New teleportation portal to the Caverns of Time accessible through reputation with Keepers of Time" <-- very nice`
`22:02.07`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik\|Ecole (n=shirik@155.31.173.88)`
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`22:02.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`right then`
`22:02.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`purl, hi`
`22:02.23`	`purl`	`hello, shirik\|ecole`
`22:02.30`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`ok then`
`22:02.41`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`as I was saying!`
`22:03.10`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`ralfWORK, I don't think skill level should be a huge factor. People whom don't know how to pay attention and can't learn shouldn't raid, imho`
`22:03.36`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`(by your definition of skill level, "situational awareness")`
`22:04.29`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Lol... "Signal Strength: Low"`
`22:04.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`-_-`
`22:04.37`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I hate this school`
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`22:05.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`i'm sure it hates you to`
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`22:05.49`	`Duman`	`I use telnet all the time`
`22:05.51`	`Duman`	`well, to test things ;)`
`22:06.00`	`Duman`	`expecially SMTP`
`22:06.45`	`foxlit`	`use wget to test IMAP, np!`
`22:06.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`idle: 1m, connected: 5m, lag: 19250ms`
`22:07.46`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Like seriously`
`22:07.46`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`how do you even make a network like that`
`22:07.46`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Lag: 68125ms`
`22:07.46`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`impressive`
`22:07.48`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`My latency is nearly as large as I have been connected to the server!`
`22:08.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Epic.`
`22:08.54`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Yeah screw this, I'm going home`
`22:08.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`take care`
`22:08.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`oh sure`
`22:09.02`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`NOWWWWWW I go to 94ms`
`22:09.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`laugh`
`22:09.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You know how computers are, Shirik.`
`22:10.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`He's a happy person, I've decided`
`22:12.08`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`o rly?`
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`22:25.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`it would have to be more of a magnesium fire for HDD to melt`
`22:26.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`"(14:09:57) �-� Quit: @Shirik\|Ecole (n=shirik@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) ("diaf. like really. I hope your PSU overvolts and then your hard drives are slowly melted away by the fire. And I will watch.)"`
`22:26.33`	`Kaso`	`oh, i dont read quit/join messages :<`
`22:26.54`	`Kaso`	`Thermite is the way to go anyway`
`22:29.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.`
`22:31.04`	`Tem`	`so, with /equip`
`22:31.11`	`Tem`	`can I tell it which hand to put it in?`
`22:31.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You can do it by slot #, can't you?`
`22:31.38`	`Tem`	`I thought so`
`22:31.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I swear it is so, but I'd have to cruise Cog's threads to see how. I'm drunk on Dayquil ATM.`
`22:32.05`	`Tem`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:32.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`Tem, afaik you can choose the slot`
`22:35.25`	`bleeter`	`kd3: ever get the feeling Blizz didn't increase staff levels back in November last year in readiness for the Christmas spike in users?`
`22:35.38`	`kd3`	`ya`
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`22:35.56`	`bleeter`	`someone dropped the ball, big time`
`22:36.24`	`bleeter`	`weeee new Wine`
`22:37.00`	`kd3`	`hm?`
`22:37.16`	`bleeter`	`they hadn't updated git for about 9 days`
`22:37.31`	`kd3`	`aj take a break?`
`22:37.31`	`bleeter`	`I suspect their broken websites may have had something to do with it`
`22:37.37`	`bleeter`	`maybe`
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`22:39.10`	`bleeter`	`aj's spent quite a bit of time recently, it'd appear, tidying up wineX11`
`22:40.34`	`bleeter`	`tho a lot of that was in the last release`
`22:41.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik is having a bad day.`
`22:41.53`	`\|pez\|`	`I totally need to make a computer icon explanation booklet for my boyfriends mom.`
`22:42.26`	`\|pez\|`	`iconexplenation, without space inbetween?`
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`22:48.33`	`Valaron\|Work`	`Anyone know anything about Solaris' 10 ipfilter?`
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`22:51.04`	`art3mis`	`well shit`
`22:51.11`	`kd3`	`hm. slouken's got a long post up about the combat log changes`
`22:51.14`	`art3mis`	`appearantly my senseo coffee maker picked now to die`
`22:51.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`pfft`
`22:51.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`senseo`
`22:51.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`get an aeropress art3mis, it's mo betta`
`22:52.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i love my aeropress, best coffee ever for cheap cheap cheap`
`22:53.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=_pHqYVWqg6k`
`22:55.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and yeah it sounds like one of those "AS SEEN ON TV" gimmicks but it makes really good coffee, especially considering it's only 25 bucks`
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`23:01.22`	`art3mis`	`that's way too much effort for coffee`
`23:01.26`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tinyboom (n=nahh@143.84-49-90.nextgentel.com)`
`23:01.26`	`Lunessa`	`Clad was right... I only have need of the last few chapters in his previous book.`
`23:01.48`	`art3mis`	`its kinna neat though`
`23:01.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`art3mis`
`23:01.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that's the thing`
`23:01.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's not much effort at all`
`23:02.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`1) almost boil water`
`23:02.08`	`art3mis`	`it is compared to "open top put in pod press button"`
`23:02.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What are you building with cladhaire's poor book, Lunessa?`
`23:02.17`	`art3mis`	`enjoy coffee`
`23:02.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`2) add beans to the main part, place over cup`
`23:02.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`add water`
`23:02.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`press plunger down`
`23:02.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`clean`
`23:02.52`	`art3mis`	`Lopeppeppy: a coffee table balancer ;P`
`23:02.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i can make a triple shot of espresso in like 30 seconds now`
`23:03.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, that works art3mis!`
`23:03.39`	`bleeter`	`Valaron\|Work: only that it's really ANU's ipfilter ;)`
`23:03.45`	`art3mis`	`thier new book is gona be 3 times as balanced ;P`
`23:05.11`	`Lunessa`	`A visual drag-n-drop keybinding tool`
`23:05.16`	`bleeter`	`Slouken's 2.4 combat info sexors: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=10#180`
`23:05.32`	`bleeter`	`holy crap`
`23:05.43`	`bleeter`	`he actually starts the sexoring over here... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=10#180`
`23:05.55`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/04/curse-launches-oddly-familiar-wow-database/`
`23:06.58`	`bleeter`	`I'm really tempted to reply to slouken's post with a 'tldr' ;)`
`23:06.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what, cair`
`23:07.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"what" is my only response to that`
`23:07.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`holy shitballs`
`23:07.27`	`Josh_Borke`	`tldr`
`23:07.33`	`Cidan`	`Has anyone here used egroupware?`
`23:08.32`	`Cairenn`	`not a thing, just linking news`
`23:09.57`	`bleeter`	`Cairenn: ummm.. wow... just, wow.`
`23:10.23`	`Cairenn`	`add this: http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=9679&p=98266`
`23:10.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Very pretty news, Cairenn.`
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`23:12.07`	`Valaron\|Work`	`Hmm`
`23:12.24`	`Corgan`	`So, How would one run a longer than 255 character long script snippet in WoW?`
`23:12.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Grrr, I can't find where I left off in the BT attunement line. Grrr.`
`23:13.01`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tinyboom (n=nahh@143.84-49-90.nextgentel.com)`
`23:13.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`by asking it out to dinner nicely Corgan`
`23:13.09`	`Corgan`	`shush raybeez`
`23:13.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:(`
`23:13.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`at least if i can't be helpful i can be marginally entertaining okay`
`23:13.37`	`Shirik`	`Corgan: One would create a secure frame and bind the script to it.`
`23:13.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's better than no answer >:[`
`23:13.48`	`Shirik`	`well, really depends on what it is`
`23:13.50`	`Shirik`	`I assumed it was a macro`
`23:13.51`	`art3mis`	`hrm`
`23:14.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`infinite macro loops for fun and profit`
`23:14.08`	`art3mis`	`appearantly it went from broken to "create coffee brewed in the darkest pits of hell"`
`23:14.12`	`Corgan`	`Basicly a small snippet that grabs tradeskill data and outputs it to the chatframe`
`23:14.17`	`art3mis`	`this is REALLY yummy`
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`23:14.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`we're here to make coffee metal`
`23:14.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`we're here to make everything metal`
`23:14.50`	`art3mis`	`heh yeah`
`23:14.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`blacker than the blackest black times infinity`
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`23:17.40`	`art3mis`	`I have a question`
`23:17.49`	`art3mis`	`why do we have so many DB sites?`
`23:18.03`	`bleeter`	`kd3: hang on.... notice how slouken says 'with the release of the 2.4 patch, we have..' what release?`
`23:18.06`	`art3mis`	`that all carry the same (more or less data)`
`23:18.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`because everyone thinks they can do something better than everyone else`
`23:18.16`	`art3mis`	`oh right`
`23:18.20`	`art3mis`	`fergot about that`
`23:18.29`	`art3mis`	`I mean its fine in the sense of redundancy`
`23:18.34`	`art3mis`	`but meh`
`23:18.37`	`Valaron\|Work`	`bleeter: My problem is that when it is enabled none of my Linux boxes running openssh-4.7 can connect even though other machines can.. but when it's turned off all machines can connect.`
`23:19.10`	`Valaron\|Work`	`I've been staring at this ipf.conf file for 5 hours.`
`23:19.12`	`bleeter`	`Valaron\|Work: sorry man, beed about 5 years since I worked on Solaris :/`
`23:19.13`	`art3mis`	`ya know it would be pretty rad if wowdb could also accept auctioneer commits`
`23:19.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`art3mis: more importantly, corporate interest groups are willing to spend the money supporting them to appeal to as many people as possible in hopes of suckering them out of more money than they're putting into said sites.`
`23:19.17`	`kd3`	`bleeter, thus my comment on page 10`
`23:19.19`	`bleeter`	`*been`
`23:19.24`	`art3mis`	`that way it would have GREAT infos on p[ricing and such`
`23:19.41`	`bleeter`	`Valaron\|Work: I merely mentioned ANU as their pages may have some info that might help`
`23:19.41`	`Valaron\|Work`	`It's the oddest thing.`
`23:20.41`	`bleeter`	`kd3: ah, see, I didn't read that into your request`
`23:21.48`	`art3mis`	`wow`
`23:21.57`	`art3mis`	`the pve gorup scored with the realm transfr`
`23:22.04`	`art3mis`	`free transfer to an empty realm`
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`23:23.48`	`bleeter`	`kd3: either way, it almost confirms my suspicions that maybe the PTR was up over the weekend, but only accessible to Blizz employees via a 'different' address ;)`
`23:24.10`	`kd3`	`entirely possible. the client available to the public is still for 2.3.3, though`
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`23:24.59`	`bleeter`	`there was that 'spike' late last week when the PTR website foo went south, as it usually does as it's being prepped for a cycle. That was my only 'evidence' ;)`
`23:25.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Welcome back, Cogwheel. Have some of my Dayquil?`
`23:26.21`	`art3mis`	`sayquil sucks`
`23:26.21`	`cogwheel`	`yes please`
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`23:26.25`	`art3mis`	`dayquil`
`23:26.34`	`art3mis`	`its rhyme isn't memorable`
`23:26.53`	`art3mis`	`unlikwe the nightime sniffling sneezing coughing achey stuff head fever so you can rest medicine`
`23:27.14`	`Shirik`	`cogwheel, fill out my TSP forms plz thx`
`23:27.37`	`art3mis`	`tps?`
`23:27.39`	`TC-Holding`	`woo hoo, Civ Chronicles just arived in the mail`
`23:27.44`	`art3mis`	`ooo`
`23:28.21`	`cogwheel`	`~stab art3mis`
`23:28.22`	`purl`	`ACTION runs at art3mis with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.`
`23:28.43`	`cogwheel`	`art3mis: compy no likey the ram...ey`
`23:28.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`not bad for $20`
`23:28.49`	`art3mis`	`I'm telling yer mom when she over next`
`23:29.02`	`art3mis`	`that's pretty crappy cog`
`23:29.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`every civ game`
`23:29.33`	`cogwheel`	`art3mis: the mobo has a 4gig limit so i think i need 2-sided boards`
`23:30.04`	`art3mis`	`surely you've got somethig else to use it in`
`23:30.09`	`Shirik`	`cogwheel, aren't you still on 32 bit?`
`23:30.16`	`cogwheel`	`heh... all my comps are packed`
`23:30.24`	`art3mis`	`if not at laest you've got a justifiable piece of hardware to BUILD something around ;P`
`23:30.49`	`Shirik`	`!crit 8 29`
`23:31.00`	`art3mis`	`cogwheel: you should make a hackintosh box`
`23:31.00`	`cogwheel`	`except........ my current computer leaves me wanting for nothing`
`23:31.08`	`Olison`	`!crit 8 29`
`23:31.10`	`art3mis`	`it's pretty fun`
`23:31.36`	`cogwheel`	`too much work`
`23:31.44`	`art3mis`	`not really`
`23:31.54`	`art3mis`	`my first time install on the lappy took 30-45mins tops`
`23:32.07`	`art3mis`	`and it does run wow much much much sexier`
`23:32.07`	`cogwheel`	`yes... but ...`
`23:32.11`	`cogwheel`	`all i have is ram`
`23:32.20`	`art3mis`	`what kind of hardware nerd are you!`
`23:32.21`	`cogwheel`	`which was your whole point :P`
`23:32.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`RAM is just the beginning, Cogwheel.`
`23:32.26`	`art3mis`	`you only need 1 piece ;P`
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`23:33.26`	`art3mis`	`cogwheel: and that's why you need excuses like "but honey I've got this ram stick for a great price it NEEDS a home"`
`23:33.35`	`cogwheel`	`actually, i've made some pretty nice hand-me-downs in the last couple years ;)`
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`23:33.47`	`art3mis`	`Spinge Bob Der Movie`
`23:33.48`	`cogwheel`	`art3mis: her first thought was to offer it to family :P`
`23:33.50`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Corgan (n=Corgan@udp094588uds.hawaiiantel.net)`
`23:33.54`	`Kalroth`	`"One of the major combat log formats we considered while redoing the combat log was the Nurfed Combat Log format."`
`23:33.55`	`art3mis`	`tsk tsk`
`23:33.59`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`23:33.59`	`Kalroth`	`Nice props :)`
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`23:34.28`	`bleeter`	`indeed`
`23:35.08`	`Cide`	`hmm. any physics people around?`
`23:35.20`	`Shirik`	`I have to take a ton of physics crap unfortunately`
`23:35.24`	`Shirik`	`just due to the nature of my school`
`23:35.30`	`Shirik`	`so I may or may not have the answer for you`
`23:35.42`	`Cide`	`I'm not exactly sure what my question is`
`23:35.51`	`Shirik`	`Then the answer is obviously 42`
`23:35.53`	`Cide`	`I'm coding a physics engine and sometimes it fucks up royally`
`23:36.00`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`Shirik: of course ;)`
`23:36.06`	`Cide`	`haha, I guess`
`23:36.23`	`Shirik`	`purl, fucks up royally is <reply> See ~doesntwork`
`23:36.23`	`purl`	`okay, Shirik`
`23:36.26`	`Shirik`	`=P`
`23:36.49`	`batrick`	`physics is fun`
`23:36.55`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`indeed`
`23:36.56`	`art3mis`	`real physics isn't ;P`
`23:37.03`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`and mind warping at times`
`23:37.03`	`Cide`	`it's fun until it doesn't work`
`23:37.04`	`batrick`	`yes it is`
`23:37.05`	`art3mis`	`theoretical physics is ;P`
`23:37.16`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`:P`
`23:37.18`	`art3mis`	`<-- can't do the math`
`23:37.20`	`Cide`	`ok, so lots of interested people here!`
`23:37.24`	`batrick`	`some people r just scared of a good problem`
`23:37.27`	`Cide`	`I need to draw a picture`
`23:37.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`hah http://gizmodo.com/352501/mac-vs-pc-the-republicans`
`23:37.36`	`art3mis`	`batrick: I am`
`23:37.41`	`art3mis`	`unless it's a thinky question`
`23:38.01`	`Industrial`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=8179#info`
`23:38.07`	`Industrial`	`check the description, and then ym post`
`23:38.39`	`Industrial`	`did I go too far in calling him things? (I really don't think I do because I've met more people like that numerous times)`
`23:38.47`	`Cide`	`www.cide.ws/media/physcrap.jpg`
`23:38.49`	`art3mis`	`mrs mccain: bink`
`23:39.00`	`Shirik`	`A and B!`
`23:39.01`	`Shirik`	`yey`
`23:39.12`	`Shirik`	`I want them to be named X and Y`
`23:39.16`	`Shirik`	`can we change it?`
`23:39.18`	`Cide`	`no. they're A and B.`
`23:39.22`	`Shirik`	`=(`
`23:39.33`	`Cide`	`ok so, they're colliding, edge to edge`
`23:39.44`	`art3mis`	`okay`
`23:39.46`	`Shirik`	`not really, but we'll pretend they're colliding`
`23:39.52`	`Cide`	`object A also has some angular velocity`
`23:39.53`	`art3mis`	`because of that I like mccain more ;P`
`23:39.59`	`cogwheel`	`umm... did i miss something? is 2.4 on ptr?`
`23:40.01`	`art3mis`	`viva zappata!`
`23:40.04`	`kd3`	`cog; no`
`23:40.04`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`cogwheel: not yet`
`23:40.05`	`Shirik`	`Cide: elastic or inelastic?`
`23:40.15`	`Cide`	`elastic - fully elastic`
`23:40.21`	`kd3`	`would've had the patch notes/UI diffs up by now`
`23:40.23`	`Cide`	`no energy is lost to friction :P`
`23:40.30`	`kd3`	`this my request for a code dump`
`23:40.34`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`yay for simplifications!`
`23:40.37`	`kd3`	`s/this/thus/`
`23:40.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://gizmodo.com/352413/intel-doubles-capacity-of-phase+change-memory-the-next-step-after-flash`
`23:41.05`	`Cide`	`now, what happens is that it sometimes resolves the collision just fine`
`23:41.22`	`art3mis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.52`	`Cide`	`other times, object A gets an impulse towards object B, and object B an impulse towards object A (but object B is extremely heavy so this doesn't do much)`
`23:42.12`	`Shirik`	`towards?`
`23:42.20`	`Cide`	`yes...`
`23:42.23`	`art3mis`	`angled?`
`23:42.31`	`Shirik`	`they should be perpendicular if I'm understanding your problem correctly`
`23:42.38`	`Shirik`	`well, the force would be`
`23:42.43`	`Shirik`	`the resultant vector would be something off that`
`23:42.45`	`Cide`	`there's no tangential force`
`23:42.50`	`Cide`	`(simplification)`
`23:42.54`	`Shirik`	`..`
`23:43.00`	`Cide`	`hey, it still doesn't work!`
`23:43.01`	`Shirik`	`cheap physics engine ><`
`23:43.06`	`Cide`	`works for me`
`23:43.06`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`lol`
`23:43.12`	`art3mis`	`my goodness this Metal coffee is good`
`23:43.25`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~lart3mis`
`23:43.25`	`purl`	`ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz`
`23:43.30`	`Cide`	`there's still an angular part of the impulse, Shirik`
`23:43.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://gizmodo.com/352125/gizmodo-super-bowl-xlii-tech-commercial-awards`
`23:43.37`	`Cide`	`it's just not induced by a friction force`
`23:44.27`	`Shirik`	`so can we consider A to be something like a baseball bat swinging?`
`23:44.31`	`Shirik`	`i.e., it's shaped like that, etc.`
`23:44.58`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`Cide: so what is going wrong exactly?`
`23:44.59`	`Cide`	`if you have python I can supply the force`
`23:45.19`	`Cide`	`Esamynn\|Work: object A's impulse is directed towards object B instead of away from it (sometimes)`
`23:45.26`	`Shirik`	`Esamynn\|Work: The "wrong" is that it's going towards the object instead of away`
`23:45.36`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`oh, right...`
`23:45.58`	`Shirik`	`Cide: Are you using trig at all for this? Or how are you doing the calculation for the impulse?`
`23:46.17`	`Cide`	`no, not using trig for this part`
`23:46.52`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`sounds like a slightly screwed formula implementation to me`
`23:47.09`	`Cide`	`Esamynn\|Work: the problem is that it works for almost all cases`
`23:47.33`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`got some test cases for where it breaks?`
`23:47.43`	`Cide`	`Shirik: it's calculated using relative normal velocity of the point of collision and the collision normal`
`23:47.56`	`Cide`	`Esamynn\|Work: no, it's too chaotic to really isolate`
`23:48.19`	`Cide`	`I can't set up a test case, I have to create two objects, one with a very high mass`
`23:48.20`	`Shirik`	`Cide: Does it have anything to do with the positioning of A at the time of the collision?`
`23:48.30`	`Shirik`	`What is the speed of A, and is it circular or a bar like that`
`23:48.31`	`art3mis`	`so uits taking the collision comaprign the applied forces and if B is stronger than A regardless of mass it pushes A ?`
`23:48.34`	`Cide`	`Shirik: not as far as I can tell. it only occurs during edge-to-edge collisions`
`23:48.42`	`Cide`	`Shirik: it's a square`
`23:48.42`	`art3mis`	`comparing`
`23:48.43`	`Shirik`	`sorry, not speed`
`23:48.45`	`Shirik`	`angular velocity`
`23:49.06`	`Cide`	`doesn't appear to be because of any specific angv values`
`23:49.15`	`Cide`	`I've seen similar values that have been handled correctly`
`23:49.17`	`Shirik`	`Yeah I'm just curious is this really fast, really slow, or does it happen in any case`
`23:49.29`	`Cide`	`it happens for really slow collisions too`
`23:49.38`	`Cide`	`where the objects are barely rotating at all, and moving slowly too`
`23:50.42`	`Shirik`	`so you're just taking the normal of the collision vector and assuming that is the direction of the force?`
`23:51.01`	`Cide`	`basically, yeah`
`23:51.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`~crook`
`23:51.13`	`Cide`	`which creates angular effects depending on the collision point`
`23:52.03`	`Cide`	`the only thing I can see that is consistent is that the impulse generated is negative, which is obvious`
`23:52.40`	`Shirik`	`ok well, I have to go to the UPS store to pick up a package real quick. I'll be back and hopefully have some insight when I get back if you don't yet have the solution`
`23:52.43`	`Shirik`	`are you sure it's the physics engine?`
`23:52.47`	`Cide`	`yes`
`23:52.49`	`Shirik`	`Because that's kinda a difficult calculation to screw up`
`23:53.04`	`Cide`	`well, what're you suggesting?`
`23:53.10`	`Cide`	`I could be calculating some other value incorrectly`
`23:53.21`	`Shirik`	`Well I was worried about the case where the two objects pass each other before the collision is detected`
`23:53.21`	`Cide`	`http://pastey.net/81780 is the method for generating the impulse`
`23:53.32`	`Cide`	`tunneling?`
`23:53.48`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge bleeter_ (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter)`
`23:53.51`	`Cide`	`if they're detected while they're intersecting, it performs a binary search to figure out the time of collision`
`23:53.57`	`Shirik`	`ah`
`23:54.15`	`Shirik`	`and you're sure that's not off by one or anything? ;)`
`23:54.19`	`Shirik`	`Anyway I gotta run`
`23:54.21`	`Shirik`	`I'll be back asap`
`23:54.25`	`Cide`	`haha, alright`
`23:56.26`	`foxlit`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:56.44`	`foxlit`	`(titlecase from ALLCAPS)`
`23:56.58`	`foxlit`	`wonder if it'd work better with gsub`
`23:57.33`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge kd3 (n=kd3@host-12-173-142-252.nctv.com)`
`23:58.52`	`Cide`	`ok, one potential error is that the binary search sometimes fails to separate the objects`
`23:59.04`	`Cide`	`not really sure why...`

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