| 00:00.05 | WobWork | Hm. I like Slashdot, with it's interesting links to stuff on the internet |
| 00:00.16 | WobWork | unfortunately, so does everyone else |
| 00:00.16 | |pez| | and that's how interesting zenzelezz is when he's ninjaing. |
| 00:00.21 | WobWork | thus leading to not being able to see said pages |
| 00:00.45 | WobWork | My mother did something similar while watching movies |
| 00:00.50 | DuTempete | Can someone remind me what the address for the eu armory is? |
| 00:00.50 | WobWork | It'd be the all action scene |
| 00:00.55 | WobWork | with the huge fight |
| 00:00.59 | WobWork | and guns and everything |
| 00:01.01 | Thrae | DuTempete: eu.wowarmory.com |
| 00:01.04 | WobWork | blood flying everywhere |
| 00:01.06 | DuTempete | thanks thrae |
| 00:01.18 | WobWork | and she'd be like: "Oh. I like those curtains..." |
| 00:01.50 | zenzelezz | |pez|: while I do believe you're right, she could be just receiving and thus have time for other things |
| 00:02.14 | Cairenn|afk | Fin: apparently the RSS feeds are automatically created whenever a new forum is created, so it should already be in place for the PotW forum |
| 00:02.35 | Lopeppeppy | Or I could just be spoiling myself with an excellent toy. |
| 00:03.04 | AnduinLothar | where's the best place to farm motes of shadow? |
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| 00:03.39 | zenzelezz | I did it in the place near the dark portal, others do it near Mana Forge Uno I think (Uro? something) |
| 00:04.23 | Cide | I do it in the bed usually |
| 00:04.24 | AnduinLothar | not nether or shadowmoon? |
| 00:04.25 | Cide | oh, motes of shadow... |
| 00:04.59 | Cairenn | I've done it in sound & lighting booths, cat walks, offices .... |
| 00:05.33 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: SS or it didn't happen |
| 00:06.10 | Cide | what about inside a tank? |
| 00:06.10 | AnduinLothar | gf doesn't even like to do it with the lights on..... i must be ugly |
| 00:06.10 | Lopeppeppy | AnduinLothar, tried candles? |
| 00:06.11 | Cairenn | Cide: no, not in a tank |
| 00:06.11 | AnduinLothar | candles work |
| 00:06.37 | Lopeppeppy | I would not, could not in a tank. I would not could not, with a skank. I could do it here or there, I could do it anywhere. I really like to do it there, I really like it, I don't care! |
| 00:06.46 | AnduinLothar | just saying, if she doesn't like it with the light on she's not gonna go for outside the house... |
| 00:06.57 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: *grin* |
| 00:07.10 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: well played |
| 00:07.31 | Cide | AnduinLothar: yeah, probably not |
| 00:09.26 | Cide | grinding ftw |
| 00:10.05 | Lopeppeppy | *smirk* |
| 00:10.11 | Lopeppeppy | No, Cide, have more contact than that. |
| 00:10.29 | Cide | does grinding imply lack of contact? |
| 00:10.50 | AnduinLothar | usually clothes |
| 00:10.57 | Cide | mm |
| 00:11.06 | AnduinLothar | clothes+contact |
| 00:11.19 | Legorol | Ding! level 60 on my first alt |
| 00:11.20 | Lopeppeppy | clothes+contact+friction burn |
| 00:11.24 | Legorol | that's worthy of celebration |
| 00:11.24 | AnduinLothar | sometimes dancing |
| 00:11.54 | kd3 | waitasec... zoot's actually in /dev/null? |
| 00:13.02 | Lopeppeppy | Where? |
| 00:13.46 | kd3 | on PvE |
| 00:14.19 | zenzelezz | enlighten me, is /dev/null a guild? |
| 00:14.27 | kd3 | yes |
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| 00:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 00:14.45 | ScytheBlade1 | He whispered me, I invited him |
| 00:14.52 | Cide | hey, stop derailing the discussion here |
| 00:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | </story> |
| 00:15.10 | Cide | oh, wait... |
| 00:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 00:15.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Although he is on a level one |
| 00:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to wonder if he's stuck in the queue too, haha |
| 00:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Or if that's intentional |
| 00:15.57 | Lopeppeppy | Even a level 1 can swim to the Isle. |
| 00:16.08 | kd3 | thought they fixed that |
| 00:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: it's a US PvE Alliance side guild on the test server, with several of us in it |
| 00:16.55 | AnduinLothar | looks liek voidwalkers are the onlything that drop mote of shadow now, right? |
| 00:17.21 | alestane | Not exclusively. |
| 00:17.34 | zenzelezz | just about |
| 00:17.34 | Kivin | I was pulling shadows off stuff in Kara last night, don't recall what |
| 00:17.36 | zenzelezz | void creatures |
| 00:17.38 | Kivin | Prince trash, IIRC |
| 00:18.23 | AnduinLothar | voidwraiths drop shadow or mana? |
| 00:20.33 | Shirik | !ap 1520 |
| 00:20.34 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1520 is, 2v2: 278, 3v3: 322, 5v5: 366 |
| 00:20.40 | Shirik | !ap 1608 |
| 00:20.41 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1608 is, 2v2: 361, 3v3: 418, 5v5: 475 |
| 00:31.27 | Shirik | Soooooooooo <shameless plug> |
| 00:31.33 | Shirik | Pushing this to public beta finally. Have fun. |
| 00:31.44 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8239-WoWInterfaceUIManager-Windows.html |
| 00:31.45 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8242-WoWInterfaceUIManager-GenericLinuxMacintosh.html |
| 00:32.53 | Iriel | Shirik: Did you include the source? |
| 00:32.58 | Shirik | indeed |
| 00:33.18 | Iriel | Shirik: Would you welcome, or be afraid of, any comments I may have about it/ |
| 00:33.19 | Shirik | it's either in the zip (for linux/mac) or placed in the program files folder by the setup program (for windows) |
| 00:33.23 | Iriel | (Assuming I have time to play) |
| 00:33.24 | Shirik | I encourage them |
| 00:33.31 | zenzelezz | they're welcome if they're positive |
| 00:33.31 | Shirik | I have to admit, I know a lot of things that could be done better |
| 00:33.34 | zenzelezz | negative will be removed! |
| 00:33.37 | Shirik | Like I should have used a threadpool |
| 00:33.48 | Shirik | But I started this a year ago when I was just learning the synchronization tools Java provides |
| 00:34.07 | Shirik | But by all means, any comments are welcome |
| 00:34.13 | Lopeppeppy | Congrats, Shirik, it looks like a mighty project. |
| 00:34.19 | Iriel | ok, i've emailed it to myself. |
| 00:34.22 | Shirik | Hopefully now that it's released I can go ahead and really do updates to it |
| 00:34.31 | Shirik | because that will let people tell me what they want, etc. |
| 00:34.52 | Shirik | (That was when I was commenting about the Bongos screenshot... Tuller) |
| 00:34.56 | alestane | Off-topic, does anyone have an idea what add-on might be resetting the zoom on my minimap to half-zoomed in whenever I log in? |
| 00:34.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I love how the screenshot for the linux/mac version is vista ;) |
| 00:35.04 | Shirik | I was being lazy >< |
| 00:36.47 | Shirik | gotta go to publix; feel free to leave comments/whatever if there are issues |
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| 00:38.02 | Iriel | alestane: Do you have BigMinimap installed? |
| 00:39.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a new guild name on the PTR |
| 00:40.00 | alestane | No, nor SimpleMiniMap. |
| 00:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | <Rosa Parks stole my seat> |
| 00:43.37 | Iriel | Opinion question for DevTools users... |
| 00:44.02 | Iriel | I have 2 choices when I initialize the event buffer.. I can either pre-initialize all of the entries to be able to hold a full combat event |
| 00:44.11 | Iriel | Or I can initialize them fairly small for most other events |
| 00:44.32 | Iriel | The tradeoff is up-front memory use versus memory re-allocation in combat |
| 00:44.38 | Iriel | I think option (1) is likely the best |
| 00:45.52 | [dRaCo] | sounds better to me, too |
| 00:45.59 | [dRaCo] | not using dev tools, though ;) |
| 00:46.39 | AnduinLothar | shouldn't be using dev tools in situations where you may die? |
| 00:46.58 | Iriel | I've done all I can to make it minimally impactful |
| 00:47.05 | [dRaCo] | but if you need some combat events to test something? |
| 00:47.06 | Iriel | that's why it pre-allocates its buffer in the first place |
| 00:47.16 | Iriel | once it's running it tries not to allocate anything |
| 00:52.14 | ScytheBlade1 | How much would ie pre-allocate? |
| 00:52.30 | WobWork | 64k is all anyone would ever need |
| 00:52.56 | WobWork | oh wait |
| 00:52.57 | WobWork | not ie |
| 00:53.23 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: As many entries as you have in your default buffer, I think it starts out at 10240 |
| 00:53.49 | Iriel | Hm, actually just 2040 |
| 00:54.01 | Iriel | so 2040 tables each with 22 array entries |
| 00:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh, just pre-allocate it all. That's not a ton of memory in the first place |
| 00:56.09 | AnduinLothar | so i need a majical addon solution that will multithread all my addons and improve my fps |
| 00:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: that sounds pretty majical inceed |
| 00:56.53 | AnduinLothar | i figure i have 4 processors, why should i lose 60fps with 150 addons |
| 00:57.36 | Thrae | Especially considering Lua doesn't multithread, though WoW does. I wonder how the new dualcore support is handled with respect to the UI? |
| 00:58.12 | Iriel | The UI's going to be on a single thread, and it's going to be single threaded with the graphics rendering because they both need ordering guarantees on the rendering pipeline. |
| 00:58.26 | Iriel | However, the game model, network, sound, etc, could all be decoupled |
| 00:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: I do have a feature suggestion for devtools... how feasible would it be to define a filter of events that would be written to the saved variables? I would abuse that to no end :) |
| 00:58.49 | Thrae | Yeah, the network being on a different thread would be a big help. |
| 01:00.10 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: Hm, perhaps a /dteventsnapshot that wrote all currently visible event details into a saved variable? Maybe. though perhaps doing that with another addon would be advisable just to keep DevTools' saved variables from being ugly |
| 01:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd work. That'd actually work really well |
| 01:01.24 | Iriel | Let me see how nasty that gets |
| 01:01.33 | AnduinLothar | which auc-like addon lets yyou upload prices and saves by server? |
| 01:01.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: would it be possible to just clone the table into a saved varible? Simple, dirty, but it might work |
| 01:02.16 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: wow econ, I think, tho I believe it's a subscription service |
| 01:03.51 | bleeter | I'd like to see devtools interface to norg's NLog, 'coz it's got all the filtering foo and stuff already there ;) :P |
| 01:03.55 | AnduinLothar | just got a Recipe: Elixir of Major Mageblood and my auc doesn't have data, wowecon either.. |
| 01:04.16 | AnduinLothar | thottbot says 900g |
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| 01:09.12 | widgertick | blaooooooo blahblahboo |
| 01:09.46 | AnduinLothar | org? |
| 01:09.57 | AnduinLothar | orly* |
| 01:10.20 | Legorol | isn't Recipe: Elixir of Major Mageblood vendor sold? |
| 01:10.26 | AnduinLothar | rare drop |
| 01:10.29 | Legorol | wow, i didn't know |
| 01:10.40 | Legorol | and i just gave one away to a friend, as a "here you go, you are an alchemist" |
| 01:10.41 | AnduinLothar | world drop i think |
| 01:10.47 | Legorol | didn't know it's that rare |
| 01:10.59 | Legorol | i don't even know where i got it from |
| 01:11.07 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22919 |
| 01:11.15 | Legorol | you are right, it's uncommon, so got to be world drop |
| 01:11.21 | Legorol | i must've been very lucky then |
| 01:11.28 | Legorol | and made a happy alchemist :) |
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| 01:11.42 | Legorol | i see it's also the right level to get you up to 375-ish |
| 01:11.50 | AnduinLothar | i'm lookign forward to not being completely broke for a week or so |
| 01:11.51 | Legorol | that must be pushing its price up |
| 01:12.23 | AnduinLothar | maybe if i got 3 to drop i could get my epic mt... |
| 01:21.26 | JoshBorke | GAH |
| 01:21.28 | JoshBorke | I HATE PERL |
| 01:21.34 | Iriel | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3999-DevTools.html |
| 01:21.58 | Duman | what's wrong with perl? :-P |
| 01:22.32 | JoshBorke | i have a stupid silly hash and i have no idea how to parse it |
| 01:22.55 | Duman | what are you trying to do |
| 01:22.55 | JoshBorke | and all of the tutorials i'm finding show me how to get key, value out of it with while loops |
| 01:23.05 | Shirik | <3 Iriel |
| 01:23.08 | Duman | <- decent perl hacker |
| 01:23.09 | Iriel | JoshBorke: Well, what do you need otherwise |
| 01:23.23 | Iriel | I did just notice that, while I fixed /dtevents, I didn't fix /dtchatevents |
| 01:23.34 | Corrodias | my god |
| 01:23.43 | Corrodias | we have a BM hunter here with a cat with no Claw, and he never used steady shot during that fight |
| 01:23.54 | JoshBorke | Iriel: i want specific entries in the hash like i can in perl :-( |
| 01:23.58 | JoshBorke | s/perl/lua/ |
| 01:24.06 | JoshBorke | http://wowi.pastey.net/82519 |
| 01:24.07 | Iriel | $HASHNAME{'EntryName'} |
| 01:24.11 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 01:24.12 | Duman | $HASH{'key'} |
| 01:24.17 | JoshBorke | i tried that |
| 01:24.21 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone checked does the talent inspect for other fraction still work on the PTR? |
| 01:24.24 | Iriel | Ah, you've not created a hash |
| 01:24.28 | Iriel | you've created a hash reference |
| 01:24.29 | Iriel | you want |
| 01:24.38 | Iriel | $VAR1->{'hosts'} |
| 01:24.39 | Duman | $HASH->{'key'} |
| 01:24.43 | Duman | heh |
| 01:24.43 | JoshBorke | ok, thanks guys :-) |
| 01:24.46 | JoshBorke | i knew you colud help me! |
| 01:24.48 | kd3 | talent inspect is broken in general right now. dunno if anyone's bothered checking x-faction inspect |
| 01:24.54 | Iriel | and $VAR1->{'hosts'}->[1] I think |
| 01:24.55 | kd3 | s/talent inspect/inspect/ |
| 01:24.56 | Iriel | for the arrays |
| 01:25.03 | JoshBorke | thanks! you guys rock! |
| 01:25.18 | Iriel | You may consider creating an actual hash instead |
| 01:25.36 | JoshBorke | that info is coming from an XML parser |
| 01:25.41 | Iriel | ah, then NM |
| 01:28.43 | MentalPower|ZzZz | ~lart Kiran |
| 01:28.43 | purl | throws Kiran's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 01:28.52 | JoshBorke | ~cookie Iriel |
| 01:28.56 | Shirik | so, the lady at publix gave me this funny look today |
| 01:28.59 | JoshBorke | ~cookie Duman |
| 01:29.03 | Shirik | I think she didn't believe I was 21 |
| 01:34.56 | batrick | am not |
| 01:40.56 | Shirik | how do I get the non-emergency police number >.> |
| 01:42.18 | zenzelezz | phone book |
| 01:44.29 | WobWork | call 911? =) |
| 01:47.07 | Shirik | I'm not calling 911 for this crap >< |
| 01:47.13 | Shirik | Phone book kinda answered my question though |
| 01:47.17 | Shirik | first time I opened it in.... |
| 01:47.22 | Shirik | well, since I got it about 9 months ago |
| 01:51.25 | Cidan | You're 21? |
| 01:51.29 | Cidan | Damn. |
| 01:52.02 | Lopeppeppy | My how they grow. |
| 01:52.39 | Cidan | No kiddin' |
| 01:53.30 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
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| 02:06.06 | Cidan | rwar. |
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| 02:22.57 | Keias | I remember when I first turned 21 |
| 02:23.02 | Keias | I was pissed because I didn't get carded |
| 02:23.44 | Keias | But then everytime after (and now) I get carded every fucking time :( |
| 02:23.57 | Lopeppeppy | I got carded on my 21st birthday to go into an R movie. |
| 02:26.15 | WobWork | I've been carded up to about 25 |
| 02:26.24 | WobWork | Now I get disappointed if I don't |
| 02:26.43 | WobWork | It's like: "Man, what sort of establishment -is- this?!" |
| 02:27.12 | WobWork | Then again, a couple of years ago, I got carded for a MA16+ movie |
| 02:27.28 | WobWork | That was more: "wtf dude? I'm 10 years older than -you-" |
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| 03:03.33 | Cidan | I still get carded |
| 03:03.46 | Cidan | When I shave my hair down, I look like I'm 16 |
| 03:03.50 | Cidan | I'm 25, atm |
| 03:07.42 | Lopeppeppy | It will be good for us to look young, later. |
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| 03:14.45 | Keias | Who cares about later, Lopeppeppy ?! I live in the now! |
| 03:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, Keias. Sadly, now frankly sucks so i'd rather live in the then. |
| 03:16.22 | Keias | Sorry to hear that :( |
| 03:16.25 | Keias | There's hope for the future though! |
| 03:16.45 | MentalPower | ~seen karoo |
| 03:16.47 | purl | i haven't seen 'karoo', MentalPower |
| 03:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | I know. A few more weeks of the now and I can work on the then. |
| 03:17.50 | Guillotine | Anybody know of a good free program that can handle .rar files? |
| 03:17.55 | Lopeppeppy | 7zip |
| 03:18.00 | Guillotine | ty :) |
| 03:18.16 | MentalPower | yeah, 7zip |
| 03:18.33 | MentalPower | the only thing it can't handle is ace files |
| 03:18.44 | MentalPower | err... .ace files :) |
| 03:18.53 | Lopeppeppy | What do you mean? |
| 03:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | I use it for everything, unless ace is also a kind of zipping thingie. |
| 03:19.26 | MentalPower | yes |
| 03:19.29 | MentalPower | .ace files |
| 03:20.20 | Lopeppeppy | I have never seen such a creature, so i'm still good to go with 7zip |
| 03:20.40 | MentalPower | yeah, they're kinda rare |
| 03:21.17 | Keias | I used to always run into .ace files on japanese sites for some reason :( |
| 03:23.59 | Arrowmaster | its just one of those weird things that becomes more popular with certain cultures |
| 03:24.22 | Arrowmaster | like how the chinese use realmedia files a hell of a lot more than others |
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| 03:39.48 | MentalPower | erm... can someone check something for me? |
| 03:40.22 | MentalPower | can you do /dump collectgarbage("setpause") and then /dump collectgarbage("setstepmul") |
| 03:40.30 | MentalPower | for me it causes a hang |
| 03:40.35 | MentalPower | dunno why tho |
| 03:43.18 | MentalPower | ./run collectgarbage("setpause") collectgarbage("setstepmul") |
| 03:47.22 | art3mis | wow knight rider is REALLY bad |
| 03:50.48 | WobWork | ... this is a surprise? |
| 03:53.39 | kd3 | whee, PvE's about to crash |
| 03:54.06 | WobWork | ? |
| 03:54.13 | kd3 | the PTR |
| 03:54.47 | MentalPower | how so? |
| 03:55.04 | Tuller | it laggy! |
| 03:55.14 | kd3 | two separate 20 second server freezes unless my conn's just screwing with me. the isle is suffering constant spell/loot lag too |
| 03:55.36 | WobWork | I blame MentalPower |
| 03:55.43 | WobWork | for his collectgarbage hax |
| 03:55.48 | MentalPower | lol |
| 03:55.58 | MentalPower | has anyone actually tried it? |
| 03:56.41 | Tuller | explain |
| 03:57.07 | Tuller | I read up :) |
| 03:59.03 | Tuller | MentalPower: it broke my machine :) |
| 03:59.08 | MentalPower | yes! |
| 03:59.21 | MentalPower | thanks Tuller |
| 04:03.11 | Tuller | hrm...the real question now is if paint by bongos is worth it |
| 04:03.23 | Kaso | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/57848859.png |
| 04:03.30 | Kaso | Something seems to be wrong with my polylines >.< |
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| 04:04.12 | MentalPower | Kaso: why? |
| 04:04.24 | MentalPower | left is without AA, right is with |
| 04:04.24 | Kaso | Those red sections are meant to be nice roads |
| 04:04.32 | Kaso | pink |
| 04:04.45 | Kaso | yah aa is not pertinate |
| 04:05.33 | Kaso | just my roads seem to be missing big chunks of point info, which makes me wonder, is it my code parsing the data ive got wrong, or have i been given bad data, |
| 04:05.56 | Kaso | Seeing as the buildings render 90% properly, i sorta think my data is bad |
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| 04:24.51 | Cidan | Dear god |
| 04:24.59 | Cidan | For over ten years I've been looking for this song |
| 04:25.17 | Cidan | I never knew the name, and I only knew the main hook and a small line |
| 04:25.26 | Cidan | I've... finally... ended my quest |
| 04:26.25 | Iriel | what song |
| 04:26.45 | Cidan | An old hip hop song with the fugees in it. |
| 04:28.13 | Cidan | Man, I'm so happy. I don't care how sick I am, lol. |
| 04:30.05 | Cidan | Actually, yes I do. *groan* |
| 04:31.31 | WobWork | Cidan: which song? |
| 04:31.39 | WobWork | or wait |
| 04:31.43 | WobWork | what was the small line? |
| 04:32.10 | Cidan | Michael Jackson brought you thriller |
| 04:32.27 | WobWork | that's an 'old' hiphop? =) |
| 04:32.34 | Cidan | That's it, that's all I could remember back then. You have no idea how happy I am to have it now. |
| 04:32.37 | Cidan | WELL NOT THAT OLD |
| 04:32.50 | WobWork | HipHopera? |
| 04:32.52 | Cidan | But old compared to what people would consider newish |
| 04:32.52 | Cidan | Yes |
| 04:32.58 | WobWork | Psst. google =) |
| 04:33.07 | WobWork | then again, we didn't have that 10 years ago |
| 04:34.55 | Cidan | So sad; I always thought to my self growing up, "I'LL NEVER BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO CALLS NEW MUSIC CRAP!!" |
| 04:35.01 | Cidan | But holy shit, new music is crap. |
| 04:35.12 | WobWork | It's true |
| 04:35.15 | WobWork | So true =( |
| 04:35.40 | WobWork | I have younger friends who grew up during 'new music' who think it's crap |
| 04:35.52 | WobWork | once they're exposed to older music... |
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| 04:42.02 | Cidan | even "indy" music is just a bunch of idiots yelling into mics and/or emo crying wimps. |
| 04:42.09 | Cidan | Or they try to be like Dragon Force |
| 04:43.29 | Iriel | I like that today's apple word of the day is 'Immolate' |
| 04:43.52 | kd3 | har |
| 04:54.29 | Cidan | Now to try Amarok on Windows |
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| 05:11.11 | Guillotine | I keep trying to AFK in AV |
| 05:11.18 | Guillotine | but I always feel bad and end up playing the whole game anyway |
| 05:11.29 | Guillotine | its killing my productivity :( |
| 05:12.00 | Antiarc | Hahah |
| 05:12.02 | Antiarc | I do the same thing |
| 05:12.09 | Antiarc | I usually afk in a bunker and stealth |
| 05:12.13 | Antiarc | Then just kill anyone that tries to cap it |
| 05:12.47 | Guillotine | but don't people notice if you're in a bunker? |
| 05:17.25 | Antiarc | I'm a rogue |
| 05:17.29 | Antiarc | So I'm all *stealth* |
| 05:17.31 | Antiarc | Then they try to cap |
| 05:17.34 | Antiarc | I let them get 9 sec in then sap |
| 05:17.41 | Antiarc | repeat till they get sick of it and try to find me |
| 05:17.43 | Antiarc | Then I kill them |
| 05:20.17 | Tem | nice |
| 05:20.22 | MentalPower | !api SendChatMessage |
| 05:20.23 | WoWLuaircBot | MentalPower: SendChatMessage("msg" [,"chatType" [,"language" [,"channel"]]]); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendChatMessage |
| 05:20.32 | Tem | I bet they're all like "omg the omen guy just killed me" |
| 05:23.39 | Antiarc | Haha |
| 05:25.37 | art3mis | heh |
| 05:25.50 | art3mis | i know i blame all my bg deaths on anti |
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| 05:54.40 | kd3 | whee |
| 05:54.55 | kd3 | winds are a steady 17mph, gusting in the 30s. |
| 05:55.01 | MentalPower | gnight all |
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| 06:30.57 | Nom- | anyone else getting an XML parsing error on worldofwarcraft.com ? |
| 06:31.11 | batrick | i got one a while ago dunno 'bout now |
| 06:31.30 | batrick | seems to be ok |
| 06:31.35 | Nom- | i'm still getting it :( |
| 06:31.41 | |Jelly| | i am |
| 06:31.46 | batrick | did a full refresh? |
| 06:31.48 | Nom- | tried clearing cache and all that with no success |
| 06:31.50 | |Jelly| | only on firefox, not ie |
| 06:31.59 | batrick | i'm using firefox |
| 06:32.01 | Nom- | Yeah, but that's no big surprise... IE is a POS |
| 06:32.27 | |Jelly| | you see the irony in your statement, right? lol |
| 06:33.02 | batrick | there is no irony |
| 06:33.09 | batrick | he's noting that anything is valid to IE |
| 06:33.11 | batrick | ^_^ |
| 06:33.41 | |Jelly| | the 'piece of shit' works. i had to use it to reup my subscription earlier. :P |
| 06:33.46 | |Jelly| | anyway. i'm going to sleep. |
| 06:33.52 | |Jelly| | if they break the forums, i might care more. |
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| 06:37.37 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:37.50 | Nom- | Just because 99 browsers fail, and 1 works, doesn't mean that 1 is doing thing the right way. |
| 06:38.47 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14971 <== WoWI UI updater, thanks Shirik |
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| 06:39.33 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.3.x ToC: 20300 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | "Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have to ram it down their throats." - Howard Aiken | WoWI UI updater - http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14971 |
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| 06:42.24 | Kirkburn | funky |
| 06:42.32 | Kirkburn | Dammit, that wasn't intended |
| 06:42.53 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, cool |
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| 06:52.50 | Nom- | Hmm... Cairenn i'm getting an error from that |
| 06:52.58 | Nom- | I put in an item ID and it says bad content |
| 06:53.09 | Shirik | from the updater? |
| 06:53.24 | Nom- | Error - Bad content retreived |
| 06:53.29 | Nom- | Yeah, from the updater |
| 06:53.41 | Shirik | where did you put it in? |
| 06:53.44 | Shirik | And what ID? |
| 06:53.53 | Nom- | I just tried to register 3 addons i already have installed |
| 06:54.02 | Nom- | Examiner, GroupCalendar, ItemRack |
| 06:54.13 | Nom- | ItemRack id = 4148 |
| 06:54.32 | Shirik | so it asked you to give the ID |
| 06:54.37 | Shirik | on a button that says "resolve" |
| 06:54.49 | Nom- | Yep |
| 06:54.52 | Nom- | And that's what I put in |
| 06:55.03 | Nom- | And then it comes up with the aforementioned error |
| 06:55.06 | Shirik | can you look for an "error.log" file in your program directory |
| 06:55.10 | Shirik | and pastey the contents? |
| 06:55.40 | Nom- | looking |
| 06:56.26 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 06:56.34 | Shirik | never mind that, my screen just got flooded with teh same thing |
| 06:56.42 | Shirik | we just changed something, so that might have something to do with it |
| 06:57.31 | Nom- | http://wowi.pastey.net/82534 |
| 06:57.38 | Nom- | ah lol |
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| 07:01.50 | Shirik | try now please norgs |
| 07:01.51 | Shirik | Nom-* |
| 07:03.00 | Nom- | much better Shirik |
| 07:03.17 | Nom- | well ok maybe not much better |
| 07:03.20 | Nom- | improvement though |
| 07:03.30 | Nom- | Error - Internal Error when trying to actually update the addon |
| 07:03.38 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 07:04.07 | Nom- | http://wowi.pastey.net/82535 |
| 07:04.23 | art3mis | whats the script to make ui elements that have stuck to the mouse stop being stuck aside froma reload? |
| 07:05.26 | art3mis | like any ace addon that you're moving when you get drug into combat |
| 07:07.14 | Nom- | I've found doing an alt-z to hide and then unhide your UI fixes a lot of issues like that :) |
| 07:07.17 | Nom- | And less effort too |
| 07:07.23 | art3mis | really? |
| 07:07.27 | art3mis | thats so simple |
| 07:07.31 | art3mis | hat cant be right ;P |
| 07:07.33 | Nom- | If it works |
| 07:08.22 | Nom- | Well it seems to cause at least a redraw event to the addons, coz my PitBull has been buggy of late, and a hide/unhide causes it to render properlyu |
| 07:08.32 | Shirik | Nom- does it work now? |
| 07:08.32 | Nom- | So try it... see if it works |
| 07:09.14 | Nom- | Nope, still Internal Errr |
| 07:09.16 | Nom- | *Error |
| 07:09.43 | Shirik | for item rack only? |
| 07:10.01 | Nom- | GroupCalendar too |
| 07:10.39 | Shirik | is anything working at all? |
| 07:10.47 | Nom- | Lemme try Examiner |
| 07:11.12 | Nom- | neg, none are working |
| 07:11.47 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 07:11.49 | Shirik | it's working for me |
| 07:11.54 | Shirik | including itemrack |
| 07:12.00 | Nom- | I'll try blowing away the addon folders and installing new |
| 07:12.47 | Nom- | works on a fresh install |
| 07:12.54 | Shirik | strange |
| 07:12.59 | Nom- | Just doesn't like to work with existing folders |
| 07:13.36 | Shirik | can you add this to the bug report when you get a chance so I don't forget about it and look at it tomorrow? |
| 07:15.12 | Nom- | And I just managed to lock it up i think lol |
| 07:15.27 | Shirik | did you click "update" 20 billion times? |
| 07:15.38 | Shirik | that's the only way I've managed to get it to lock up so far >< |
| 07:15.42 | Nom- | No, but I was adding a new addon and just hit enter too quick |
| 07:16.10 | Nom- | Like I just went 5539<enter> really quick |
| 07:16.12 | Nom- | and it froze :) |
| 07:16.21 | Shirik | >< |
| 07:16.34 | Shirik | awesome! |
| 07:16.39 | Shirik | I got a little message that says "OK!" on it |
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| 07:16.40 | art3mis | w00t |
| 07:16.42 | Shirik | instead of locking up |
| 07:16.49 | Shirik | I can't remember ever coding that in |
| 07:16.53 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:17.24 | Nom- | I have the same problem... I write 500 lines of code one day, come back the next and wonder what the hell I was smoking/injecting/sniffing the day before |
| 07:20.05 | Tem | ~exception Shirik |
| 07:20.14 | purl | ACTION throws a NullPointerException at Shirik. |
| 07:20.14 | Shirik | ~fail Tem |
| 07:20.15 | purl | Tem: Fail. |
| 07:20.20 | Shirik | eh |
| 07:20.22 | Shirik | ~fail purl |
| 07:20.23 | purl | purl: Fail. |
| 07:20.25 | art3mis | hah! |
| 07:20.31 | art3mis | ~lag shirik |
| 07:20.43 | art3mis | oops meant f not l ;P |
| 07:21.57 | Tem | ~lart3mis |
| 07:21.58 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
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| 07:25.10 | Nom- | enolife |
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| 08:01.03 | batrick | harro |
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| 08:17.35 | Guillotine | night all |
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| 08:51.19 | Tem | So, anyone got any idea if I could solo Omen with a level 70? |
| 08:51.40 | Olison | you can't i think |
| 08:52.09 | Tem | :( |
| 08:52.14 | Olison | Took us (7 70s) like 12 Minutes to kill him |
| 08:52.37 | Tem | did you use the light of the moon? |
| 08:52.54 | Olison | Uhm. No :< |
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| 08:53.28 | Olison | Maybe. I don't know, i was busy fighting the Horde gankers who tried to kill our Healers :D |
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| 08:59.10 | Wobin_ | What's the max character size for guild names? |
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| 09:08.17 | art3mis | good god |
| 09:08.24 | art3mis | it's 4am and it's 10C out |
| 09:08.34 | Cairenn | 5C here |
| 09:08.43 | art3mis | and yet for some reason the boiler is still on |
| 09:08.45 | Cairenn | the freezing rain has finally turned over to rain |
| 09:09.16 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:09.24 | art3mis | it's been raining ehre the last couple of days |
| 09:09.27 | art3mis | i like it |
| 09:09.32 | art3mis | i miss good rain storms |
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| 09:17.03 | Shirik | time for sleep |
| 09:17.04 | Shirik | night |
| 09:19.33 | Cairenn | Fin: dolby's set up page for the PotW now: http://www.wowinterface.com/pickofweek.php |
| 09:19.40 | Cairenn | that link will always work for it |
| 09:20.53 | Corrodias | ah, dawk |
| 09:21.42 | art3mis | thats nothing like objectdock ;P |
| 09:21.52 | art3mis | it doesnt have the rollie zoom ;P |
| 09:22.11 | Corrodias | "it mimics a dock that you find in Mac OS" -- this reminds me of something. answer me this. do mac users all put up with having a bar of icons permanently overlaid over the lower portion of their screen? |
| 09:22.23 | Shirik|zZz | yeah for real |
| 09:22.24 | Corrodias | i haven't used a 'dock' for long but it really got in my way when i did have to touch a mac once |
| 09:22.36 | Shirik|zZz | I look at that on mac screens and I'm like "how do you deal with that" |
| 09:22.42 | Shirik|zZz | and worse, they get bigger as you move your mouse near them! |
| 09:22.46 | Olison | do what's the taskbar in windows? |
| 09:22.50 | Olison | something different? |
| 09:22.56 | Olison | s/do/so |
| 09:23.06 | Corrodias | the taskbar either moves the bottoms of your windows up so it's not overlapping them |
| 09:23.12 | art3mis | Shirik|zZz: i love that about objectdock |
| 09:23.13 | Corrodias | or hides itself when your mouse isn't at the very bottom |
| 09:23.20 | art3mis | it hides if you want |
| 09:23.28 | art3mis | i just scale it slow |
| 09:23.31 | art3mis | err small |
| 09:23.46 | art3mis | that and wobbly windows is fun to play with when you're bored |
| 09:23.56 | Olison | hehe |
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| 09:24.10 | Corrodias | you know, sometimes i wonder if there are any addons that modify the chat box |
| 09:24.38 | Shirik|zZz | there are... a lot |
| 09:25.05 | art3mis | with wobbly windows you can shake yer browser when a site loads slow |
| 09:25.12 | Shirik|zZz | omg |
| 09:25.16 | art3mis | and it makes it seem like it shakes something lose to load it |
| 09:25.16 | Shirik|zZz | how do people deal with that, too |
| 09:25.30 | art3mis | its boredom really |
| 09:25.36 | Shirik|zZz | like someone turned it on I'm like "great, so now when I want to move a window, I can move it and have no idea where it's going to land when I let go" |
| 09:25.41 | art3mis | you dont have compiz installed? |
| 09:25.46 | Shirik|zZz | fk no |
| 09:25.50 | art3mis | oh it doesnt do that you tard |
| 09:26.02 | art3mis | it retains normal window functionality |
| 09:26.08 | Shirik|zZz | Well yeah |
| 09:26.11 | art3mis | it just amnimates the winder |
| 09:26.17 | Shirik|zZz | but I still can't see exactly where it's going to be when it lands |
| 09:26.33 | art3mis | the top bar remains stable |
| 09:26.43 | Shirik|zZz | I wasn't looking close enough |
| 09:26.48 | Shirik|zZz | 'I was too distracted by the wobbliness |
| 09:27.10 | Shirik|zZz | ~dict wobbliness |
| 09:27.21 | Shirik|zZz | :( |
| 09:27.21 | Shirik|zZz | oh well |
| 09:27.22 | Shirik|zZz | night |
| 09:27.30 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 09:28.52 | Tem | lol |
| 09:29.04 | Tem | I love how I can tell when the server is calculating honor for the day |
| 09:29.10 | Tem | because everything stops |
| 09:29.18 | Tem | I look at the time and "oh hey, it's 3:30 |
| 09:29.38 | Corrodias | yep |
| 09:35.46 | Tem | teehee |
| 09:35.46 | Tem | 1337 ferocious bite |
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| 09:59.44 | Wobin_ | Gah. |
| 09:59.58 | Wobin_ | I just spent the last 4 hours liquidating my assets ingame =P |
| 10:01.21 | wereHamster | are you quitting wow? |
| 10:17.32 | clad|office | more importantly, can I have your stuff? :P |
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| 10:23.34 | Kalroth | bad cladhaire! |
| 10:26.06 | Wobin_ | I'm shifting servers |
| 10:26.12 | Wobin_ | away from Argent Dawn |
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| 10:51.20 | art3mis | gasp! |
| 10:54.22 | Fin | Cairenn|afk: woo! cool! |
| 10:54.48 | Fin | oh, cool, and it's not even a redirect, I can bookmark it :) |
| 10:56.31 | Tem | zomg |
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| 11:54.27 | Industrial | Shirik|zZz: kudos on the updater :o very fast thingy |
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| 11:59.14 | wereHamster | yet another ace updater? |
| 12:00.54 | Tem | no |
| 12:01.58 | nevcairiel | a WoWI updater |
| 12:03.08 | wereHamster | interesting. where can I find it? |
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| 12:16.09 | Tem | on wowi |
| 12:16.14 | Tem | (*gasp*) |
| 12:17.59 | Kalroth | Tem: Thank you, mr obvious! |
| 12:18.12 | Tem | I couldn't help it |
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| 12:58.34 | wereHamster | did anyone try shirik's updater? I can't get it work, it starts up fine, but I can't select any addons to update |
| 12:58.52 | clad|away | it works great for me |
| 12:58.56 | clad|away | what are you seeing? |
| 12:59.45 | clad|away | oh wow, my internet connection is complete poop right now =/ |
| 13:00.05 | |pez| | poopyinternet! |
| 13:01.24 | Tem | it fails completely on mine |
| 13:01.30 | wereHamster | I'm not seeing anything, all input fields are empty |
| 13:01.47 | Tem | wereHamster, you need to register them first, I think |
| 13:01.56 | Tem | every addon I try to update gives an error |
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| 13:03.05 | wereHamster | how register? on the wowi website? or in the updater? |
| 13:03.27 | clad|away | the addons need to be your favorites on wowinterface, imo |
| 13:04.06 | wereHamster | ew, so you can't use the updater unless you have an account on wowi? |
| 13:04.17 | wereHamster | not that I don't have.. but still |
| 13:05.18 | clad|away | well, its a wowinterface updater |
| 13:05.42 | clad|away | I can't say I think thats unreasonable. |
| 13:06.16 | wereHamster | what's file->register addons for? |
| 13:07.21 | Tem | to setup addons in your directory to be updated through the interface |
| 13:08.04 | clad|away | just updated SellFish and DevTools without any issues. |
| 13:08.25 | wereHamster | found the problem, case-sensitive directories on linux.. |
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| 13:14.03 | Lin | hi all!! |
| 13:14.59 | Tem | clad|away, I'm jealous |
| 13:15.16 | Tem | none of them work for me |
| 13:15.20 | clad|away | why? |
| 13:15.23 | Tem | not sure |
| 13:15.26 | clad|away | what errors are you getting? |
| 13:16.02 | Tem | Exception [2008-01-18_07-14-51-703] in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0": java.lang.NullPointerException ==> null |
| 13:16.16 | Tem | Exception [2008-01-18_07-14-45-133] in thread "AUP-SellFish": java.lang.NullPointerException ==> null |
| 13:16.47 | Tem | Exception [2008-01-18_07-14-36-249] in thread "AUP-DevTools": java.lang.NullPointerException ==> null |
| 13:16.50 | Tem | ect |
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| 13:17.19 | clad|away | hrm odd, |
| 13:17.22 | clad|away | hopefully shirik can help ya |
| 13:21.37 | Lin | Cidan heya! |
| 13:23.23 | Wobin_ | oh man |
| 13:23.28 | Wobin_ | I -love- Ong Bak |
| 13:25.31 | Wobin_ | Nothing better than watching Tony Jaa wheel kick a man in the head while his legs are on fire |
| 13:26.47 | Maldivia | makes you happy, you're not the person with his legs on fire? |
| 13:27.00 | Wobin_ | Well Tony's the one with the legs on fire |
| 13:27.08 | Wobin_ | It makes the wheel kick more effective =) |
| 13:27.26 | Wobin_ | and a charging knee to the chest |
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| 13:28.51 | Wobin_ | he -really- like those jumping knee to the heads |
| 13:39.36 | nevcairiel | did something in 2.4 change the way framelevels are handled? my buttons seem to be on another level now o.O |
| 13:41.15 | wereHamster | nevcairiel, the way how :SetParent() behaves has changed |
| 13:42.08 | nevcairiel | that cant be it |
| 13:42.23 | nevcairiel | i change the FrameLevel of a frame, and all its childs get increased as well |
| 13:42.49 | nevcairiel | without a setparent call |
| 13:43.03 | Elkano | maybe the setparent change is done that way? |
| 13:43.51 | nevcairiel | and how do i use my overlay frame then? *cry* |
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| 14:39.56 | Crysli | What does it mean when wowi.pastey.net highlights a piece of your code with dark red? |
| 14:43.17 | Crysli | Nobody? Even those who are at work? |
| 14:44.35 | |pez| | ehehe ^^ http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=xx-bork |
| 14:47.33 | Crysli | Lol |
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| 14:51.38 | Wobin_ | |pez|: I still find that too understandable for true Swedish Chefism |
| 14:52.01 | Wobin_ | It's almost lolcatish |
| 14:52.15 | Wobin_ | @gmail.com | Ma Acunt | Sine ut |
| 14:52.51 | Crysli | Haha |
| 14:53.32 | Crysli | http://wowi.pastey.net/82560 - I have an unexpected symbol near ')' on line 16 - any help? |
| 14:55.21 | sysrage | 3f.SetScript("OnEvent",function() |
| 14:55.22 | sysrage | 4i = "Rune of Portals" |
| 14:55.38 | sysrage | i don't know LUA, but that's either missing a comma or a ) i believe |
| 14:55.39 | krka | sysrage: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 14:55.42 | sysrage | ya ya |
| 14:56.27 | Crysli | The ) is on line 16. At least that's what my editor says. |
| 14:57.35 | sysrage | ya i get that, but what's with function() then no brace or something to actually specify what the function is? could very well just be my lack of Lua skill but that looks odd to me |
| 14:58.48 | Crysli | I might have gotten this wrong, but afaik anything between 'function()' and the proper 'end' is the function- |
| 14:59.05 | sysrage | ok. could be. just looks strange to me |
| 14:59.33 | Legorol | sysrage: it's proper syntax, and breaking the line after function() is used for indentation/emphasis |
| 14:59.45 | Legorol | or should be :D |
| 14:59.45 | sysrage | k |
| 15:00.02 | Crysli | So nobody knows what's wrong with my code, then? |
| 15:00.25 | Legorol | i do |
| 15:00.32 | Legorol | you have one too few "end" ;-) |
| 15:00.39 | Legorol | that's why you should indent properly, i'll edit it |
| 15:01.25 | Crysli | Ah :) |
| 15:01.51 | Legorol | http://wowi.pastey.net/82561 |
| 15:01.55 | Legorol | i hope this makes sense |
| 15:02.00 | Legorol | and answers sysrage's question too |
| 15:02.15 | Legorol | everything that's indented after the function() is the body of the function being defined |
| 15:04.45 | Legorol | sysrage: to make it clearer to you what's going on, check out these two pasties too, which have the identical effect but use different syntax: |
| 15:05.04 | Crysli | Thanks :) |
| 15:05.08 | Legorol | http://wowi.pastey.net/82562-49nj http://wowi.pastey.net/82563-209s |
| 15:05.11 | Crysli | I'll check if it works now. |
| 15:05.17 | Legorol | Crysli: you should check those two out as well |
| 15:05.27 | Legorol | it will explain to you the logic, and why you have gone wrong |
| 15:06.04 | wereHamster | proper indentation ftw :) |
| 15:06.17 | Crysli | ^_^ |
| 15:06.30 | Legorol | wereHamster: i always meant to ask, but.. if you were a hamster, what are you now? |
| 15:06.56 | |pez| | a werehamster |
| 15:07.00 | |pez| | sort of like a werewolf |
| 15:07.10 | Legorol | it was a joke, |pez| |
| 15:07.17 | |pez| | ^^;; |
| 15:07.35 | |pez| | I imagine him with like scary humanoid hamster features. |
| 15:07.36 | wereHamster | I first saw that nick/name when I was playing Diablo2, and since then it's stuck in my brain :) |
| 15:07.39 | |pez| | and huge claws of doom |
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| 15:07.52 | Crysli | And cheeks that can contain lots of victims |
| 15:07.57 | |pez| | Yes |
| 15:08.24 | Crysli | And goes "SQUEEEEEEEEK" |
| 15:09.28 | |pez| | oh the nightmares |
| 15:12.58 | Crysli | Imagine hearing that sound at night |
| 15:13.08 | |pez| | I'd be scared. |
| 15:13.24 | Crysli | I'd be terrified. |
| 15:23.24 | Crysli | Yay, I'm getting no errors now. Now I just need to check if it actually works :P |
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| 15:40.03 | Crysli | It worked. Thanks for your help, Legorol. |
| 15:40.27 | Legorol | Thanks for confirming that it worked, but it wasn't necessary ;-) |
| 15:40.36 | Legorol | Pure logic dictated the changes. |
| 15:40.41 | Legorol | and understanding of the language |
| 15:40.53 | Legorol | glad it worked :D |
| 15:42.28 | Crysli | Yeah well, I guess I'm just a bit proud. You know, first addon and all. |
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| 16:12.49 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: The quote for today is most excellent. |
| 16:12.56 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
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| 16:16.59 | Lopeppeppy | Always happy to oblige, and it gets out some of my homicidal tendencies at the same time, so we all win! |
| 16:17.02 | Cide | what's the qotd? |
| 16:17.38 | Cairenn|afk | "Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have to ram it down their throats." |
| 16:17.52 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.32 | Cairenn|afk | yeah, when I saw it I knew I had to use it |
| 16:19.12 | Lunessa | Ideas are an interesting thing. They're one of the few things that become more valuable the more people who have it. |
| 16:19.58 | Cairenn|afk | glad you qualified that statement Lunessa |
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| 16:20.30 | Lunessa | Which qualification, exactly, made you glad? |
| 16:20.48 | Cairenn|afk | "few" |
| 16:20.57 | Cairenn|afk | because it isn't the only one |
| 16:20.58 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 16:21.25 | Cairenn|afk | patience, tolerance, understanding, acceptance ..... |
| 16:21.37 | Lunessa | Though /most/ of the others are intangibles. |
| 16:21.49 | Cairenn|afk | as is that |
| 16:21.49 | Lopeppeppy | You people make me cry. |
| 16:21.55 | Cairenn|afk | Lopeppeppy: ? |
| 16:22.06 | Cide | less qq, more pew pew. |
| 16:22.13 | Lopeppeppy | The Jerk. *shrug* |
| 16:22.20 | Cairenn|afk | :( |
| 16:23.35 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr! |
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| 16:28.06 | Lunessa | I wonder how much +healing I would need to make renew tick for 1K? |
| 16:29.58 | |Jelly| | I'm tired :( |
| 16:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | Me too! Sleep over! |
| 16:30.21 | Lunessa | it can be sleepz teims for |Jelly| ? |
| 16:30.27 | |Jelly| | no |
| 16:30.28 | |Jelly| | arenas |
| 16:30.48 | |Jelly| | watching a boring ass battle between 2 holy paladins a boomkin and a warlock |
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| 16:32.37 | Lopeppeppy | That sounds like naptime to me. |
| 16:32.41 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins don't frakkin' die. |
| 16:32.47 | |Jelly| | no shit |
| 16:33.02 | Lunessa | I am paladin watch me ouit-last you |
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| 16:37.15 | |Jelly| | god damnit. i hate fucking paladins. |
| 16:37.42 | Josh_Borke | why? |
| 16:38.06 | |Jelly| | because they can spam one fucking button .................... all ......... day .............. long ................. |
| 16:38.12 | Esamynn | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 16:38.35 | Esamynn | ~calm |Jelly| |
| 16:38.36 | purl | ACTION sooths |Jelly|, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm |Jelly| down. |
| 16:38.42 | |Jelly| | then toss in bubble and it's like the panty waste deluxe package |
| 16:39.25 | Lunessa | FoL, FoL, FoL, FoL, FoL, FoL, FoL, boss down; collect loot/badges, cyber g/f in Shattrath. |
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| 16:41.19 | Lunessa | *I* thought it was /funny/. Harrumph! |
| 16:42.16 | Esamynn | ~poke Lunessa |
| 16:42.17 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Lunessa, pokes Lunessa repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:44.43 | Esamynn | Lunessa: it would be funny, *IF* it wasn't so close to the truth! :P |
| 16:45.17 | |Jelly| | really sad when i have the highest heals in the arena match |
| 16:45.23 | |Jelly| | ...and didn't heal ANYONE but myself |
| 16:45.32 | Esamynn | lol |
| 16:45.44 | Lunessa | *nod* Truth can be funny. No, imagine being a paladin who wants to tank or DPS and all you're ever allowed to do it hit FoL. SUCKS |
| 16:46.33 | |Jelly| | "all you're ever allowed to do" Perhaps you shouldn't let other people play your account for you? ... |
| 16:47.46 | |Jelly| | Whatever. You know it's the truth. |
| 16:47.54 | Esamynn | <oppressive -Adin stereo type> Lunessa: just up a heal, n00blit </oppressive -Adin stereo type> |
| 16:48.24 | zenzelezz | our holy paladins don't complain about our ret paladin and prot paladin |
| 16:48.49 | Lunessa | that's my point Peppy. Social pressue and a desire to see content combine to make you play a way you don't want to. Sucks. |
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| 16:50.37 | Lunessa | So, cog is in town - wonder if he's going to call for beers. |
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| 16:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | Beeeeeer! |
| 16:52.55 | Esamynn | pffft, Beer ain't so great |
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| 16:53.10 | Lunessa | good social drink though |
| 16:57.59 | Lopeppeppy | Code Monkey like Tab and Mountain Dew. |
| 16:58.15 | Lunessa | Code Monkey very simple man. |
| 16:58.59 | Lopeppeppy | Stab him in his big warm fuzzy secret heart... |
| 16:59.12 | Lunessa | Gah! |
| 16:59.29 | Esamynn | ~stab Lopeppeppy |
| 16:59.29 | purl | ACTION runs at Lopeppeppy with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 17:00.29 | Legorol | what boss is usually taken in SSC after Lurker and Hydross? |
| 17:00.36 | Legorol | do people go for Morogrim, or for Leo? |
| 17:00.45 | zenzelezz | Morogrim |
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| 17:01.08 | zenzelezz | think progression is generally Hydross/Lurker (in whichever order) -> Moro -> Kara -> Leo, but I may be wrong |
| 17:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | We went Hydross, Lurker, Leo/Tidedude, Kara/Tidedude, and then onward. |
| 17:03.11 | Lopeppeppy | There was a time when we'd do Leo for 1/2 of the night, get frustrated and poke at Tidedude for variety. Same with getting frustrated on Tidedude and poking at kara. |
| 17:03.15 | Legorol | who is "tidedude" |
| 17:03.23 | [dRaCo] | morogrim |
| 17:03.25 | [dRaCo] | tidewalker |
| 17:03.27 | Lopeppeppy | Tidewalker. |
| 17:03.30 | cladhaire | i hated moro |
| 17:03.45 | Legorol | but in terms of access, is it possible to go to any of them? |
| 17:03.56 | [dRaCo] | except for kara, yes |
| 17:04.09 | Lopeppeppy | Him you have to get through Leo to get to. |
| 17:04.10 | [dRaCo] | you've gotta down morogrim or leo to get there |
| 17:04.13 | Legorol | in order to get to Kara, is it sufficient to kill either Moro or Leo? |
| 17:04.16 | Legorol | ok, gotcha |
| 17:04.20 | Legorol | that's what i figured, thanks for confirming |
| 17:04.39 | zenzelezz | think you can go straight to Karathress without killing either Moro or Leo, but why you would want to I can't imagine |
| 17:04.56 | [dRaCo] | you can't |
| 17:05.14 | [dRaCo] | well, you could try and sneak past moro |
| 17:05.15 | zenzelezz | why not? |
| 17:05.15 | [dRaCo] | but... |
| 17:05.20 | zenzelezz | sneak? It's easy |
| 17:05.29 | zenzelezz | we always ran past him to our buff spot anyway |
| 17:05.32 | zenzelezz | same with Leo |
| 17:05.53 | [dRaCo] | now that I think about that, you've got a point there |
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| 17:06.20 | [dRaCo] | not that useful though since you'll have the trash in your back |
| 17:06.38 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 17:07.04 | Lopeppeppy | Trash spawns in there are tricky |
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| 17:07.28 | Lopeppeppy | But isn't there an upcoming change in 2.4 to how you get to bosses or something? I almost remember reading it. |
| 17:07.44 | zenzelezz | only for Vashj and Kael |
| 17:07.49 | nevcairiel | yes you can get to Vashj and Kaelthas without doing the other stuff before |
| 17:07.50 | [dRaCo] | you can go to vashj without defeating the other ones first |
| 17:08.01 | [dRaCo] | best way to clear ssc is hydross, lurker, leo, kara, moro, imo. |
| 17:08.20 | nevcairiel | but you could always reach all other bosses in SSC directly, sometimes its just a bitch and alot of trash |
| 17:08.28 | zenzelezz | depends on your guild really, whatever works for you |
| 17:08.38 | [dRaCo] | shortest ways ;) |
| 17:08.40 | zenzelezz | after we mastered all the bosses we did it that way; before then we saved Leo for last |
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| 17:32.58 | Lunessa | GAH - Forgot a lunch meeting. |
| 17:33.05 | Lunessa | Gotta jet... |
| 17:33.42 | Kalroth | lol |
| 17:33.49 | Kalroth | Mondays! |
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| 18:46.04 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11458 |
| 18:49.15 | sysrage | lol |
| 18:49.23 | sysrage | best reply ever |
| 18:49.34 | Industrial | :( |
| 18:50.12 | Lopeppeppy | Chopper, sic balls. |
| 18:50.35 | wereHamster | for i = #table, 1 do |
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| 18:50.48 | wereHamster | isn't 'increment' by default 1? |
| 18:51.05 | Industrial | thats not increment |
| 18:51.18 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 18:51.27 | Industrial | thats the second arg so from the table size back towards 1 |
| 18:51.32 | Maldivia | for i=#table, 1, -1 do --[[...]] end :) |
| 18:51.35 | wereHamster | I mean, aren't you missing a '-1' there? for i = #table, 1, -1 do |
| 18:51.36 | Industrial | oh, crap |
| 18:51.42 | Industrial | *changes* |
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| 18:52.02 | Industrial | saved |
| 18:53.28 | Maldivia | Industrial: why are you searching backwards anyway ? |
| 18:53.51 | Cide | useful if you're removing entries |
| 18:53.53 | Industrial | I thought (but learned today) that each iteration it would call #table - which it doesnt |
| 18:54.10 | Industrial | silly thought :o |
| 18:54.21 | Industrial | anyway, post, post! |
| 18:55.38 | Maldivia | Industrial: personally, I would think the multiple inheritance priority would be in forward ordern ,and not backward as you've choosen |
| 18:56.07 | Maldivia | but see you reveersed it now :) |
| 18:56.16 | Maldivia | nevermind then |
| 18:56.19 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 18:57.01 | Maldivia | Industrial: ohh, and shouldn't it be value=table[i][key] ? |
| 18:57.14 | Maldivia | instead of t[i][key] |
| 18:57.55 | Industrial | I seem to making alot of typos lemme check |
| 18:58.02 | Industrial | I should post it here first >_> |
| 18:59.19 | Industrial | for i = 1, select('#',table) do |
| 18:59.20 | Industrial | value = select(i, table)[key] |
| 18:59.23 | Industrial | would that work? |
| 18:59.28 | Recluse | when i go to wdn.wowinterface.com i get redirected to wdnaddons.com, is this normal? |
| 18:59.34 | Industrial | meh nm |
| 19:01.49 | wereHamster | Recluse, yes |
| 19:02.18 | Recluse | k. just didn't know if maybe they got hacked or something. redirects bother me :/ |
| 19:02.32 | Lopeppeppy | The generally give me the screaming skeevies too. |
| 19:04.28 | zenzelezz | I'm getting really fed up with my guild... every other week we can't muster the people to do mandatory raids, and when we do we spend ~2-3 hours clearing first four bosses of MH and the rest of the night + 2 other days wiping to him |
| 19:05.40 | kd3 | lol |
| 19:05.55 | kd3 | ~10 lines of "laaaag!" followed by the world server crashing shortly thereafter |
| 19:05.58 | zenzelezz | (him = Archimonde, I assume you figured) |
| 19:06.13 | zenzelezz | kd3: which realm? |
| 19:06.18 | kd3 | PvE |
| 19:06.26 | zenzelezz | ah, PTR? |
| 19:06.31 | kd3 | ya |
| 19:08.02 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah for the PTRs. |
| 19:09.22 | kd3 | wow. a 5-minute rollback |
| 19:09.23 | kd3 | scary |
| 19:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | Only 5 minutes? |
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| 19:17.25 | Cide | do it on your spare time! |
| 19:17.37 | Cide | besides, cms is overrated |
| 19:17.49 | |pez| | All I have is spare time. |
| 19:17.59 | |pez| | I need some good excuse to make money. :P |
| 19:18.05 | |pez| | or, get money. |
| 19:20.56 | Gnarfoz | can you do /use <itemid> ? |
| 19:21.42 | Cide | try it |
| 19:23.38 | zenzelezz | believe so |
| 19:24.28 | Gnarfoz | it's not in Cog's macro guide :D hence I am doubtful :> |
| 19:24.51 | Cide | hence |
| 19:24.54 | Cide | <Cide> try it |
| 19:24.56 | Cide | I'm always right |
| 19:25.04 | Cide | just bow and accept it |
| 19:25.33 | Industrial | <+Cide> just bow and accept it |
| 19:25.35 | Industrial | quoteddd |
| 19:25.59 | Cide | I'm usually a bit more gentle |
| 19:26.00 | |pez| | bit |
| 19:26.12 | Cide | I think you're not the only one, |pez| |
| 19:27.13 | Lopeppeppy | .... rawr, Cide. |
| 19:27.20 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: you like it |
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| 19:28.01 | Lopeppeppy | Of course I do, Cide. Your point in stating the obvious? *wink* |
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| 19:29.01 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: *shrug* |
| 19:29.25 | zenzelezz | he just likes to think he can outwit people |
| 19:29.51 | Cide | zenzelezz: think? |
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| 19:30.11 | zenzelezz | yup |
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| 19:30.48 | Lopeppeppy | I like to play that game, it's fun to chase. |
| 19:31.15 | Cide | I'm bad at chasing |
| 19:32.17 | Lopeppeppy | It's a skill to develop. |
| 19:32.29 | Cide | aye. |
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| 19:35.59 | Lopeppeppy | Like twirling spaghetti, it eludes some people. |
| 19:36.02 | Lopeppeppy | No pun intended. |
| 19:41.25 | krka | <rant>i've noticed a trend in irc by apparent females to insinuate that they are pervs. i don't fully understand the reason - is it just for attention?</rant> |
| 19:43.39 | Industrial | ahah krka there is no such thing as girls on the interwebs |
| 19:43.40 | Industrial | you know that |
| 19:44.39 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:45.02 | Kaso | I feel like i should ask for a cited source or example here.. |
| 19:45.12 | sysrage | with pics |
| 19:45.21 | Kaso | hah |
| 19:45.28 | sysrage | they do it in real life too. |
| 19:45.46 | sysrage | insecure chicks act like whores. it does get them attention |
| 19:45.55 | sysrage | and i can't say i always mind it |
| 19:48.47 | Lopeppeppy | I admit to being insecure. It's a good observation, krka. |
| 19:49.06 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.23 | krka | (i didn't mean to insult anyone btw) |
| 19:52.11 | zenzelezz | then you chose an interesting way to express yourself |
| 19:52.56 | krka | it would make me sad however, if people felt the need to do that to get noticed instead of just conversing regularly - and possibly this is a problem with the male population throwing gas on the fire, so to the speak |
| 19:53.12 | krka | -the |
| 19:53.30 | zenzelezz | what makes you think they all do it for attention? |
| 19:53.37 | krka | zenzelezz: yeah, i wasn't actually happy with how i phrased it either |
| 19:53.55 | krka | couldn't come up with anything better though - not being a native english speaker |
| 19:54.46 | krka | it was just a guess - but i'd be happy to be corrected and/or educated! |
| 19:55.08 | zenzelezz | I'm sure some number of them do it for attention, but some amount seem genuine |
| 19:56.25 | krka | sure, it's hard to tell |
| 19:56.36 | krka | for me anyway |
| 20:00.54 | Lopeppeppy | It's always hard to tell, krka. Especially if you don't talk to them directly, but just in a larger channel. |
| 20:01.21 | Lopeppeppy | Think of it as being at a party. Everyone wants to look their best and show off and be attractive and funny and liked. |
| 20:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | Only when you sit down for a quiet drink in the corner do you find out what a person actually is like. |
| 20:02.47 | Cide | being an asshole is my way of getting attention |
| 20:02.51 | Cide | it's fun. |
| 20:03.53 | Kaso | no it isnt you idiot! jeeze it's like this channel is full of two year olds |
| 20:04.02 | Industrial | Cide: I agree. |
| 20:04.06 | Cide | Kaso: I hate you. |
| 20:04.10 | Industrial | kaso sucks |
| 20:04.10 | Kaso | (c what i did thar?) |
| 20:04.20 | Industrial | (yar) |
| 20:04.23 | krka | hm. perhaps i have misunderstood what the purpose of this channel (and irc in general) is to some / most people |
| 20:04.48 | Kaso | What makes you say that krka? |
| 20:06.36 | Lopeppeppy | Each channel has a purpose, but then again... there are still people in the channel to maybe find common interests with. The entire world is about social interaction, even in a purpose-channel. |
| 20:06.56 | krka | for me, it's not primarily a social setting, it's more of a place for problem solving / brain storming / idea sharing / et.c. |
| 20:07.16 | Lopeppeppy | But all of those are social interactions, if you're doing it with other people. :) |
| 20:07.36 | krka | yes, but it's not the primary reason |
| 20:07.52 | Lopeppeppy | No, this is a purpose channel. If I wanted to meet singles, there are channels for that. |
| 20:08.04 | Lopeppeppy | But there's no reason why community cannot develop, people can't have personalities and interactions. |
| 20:08.24 | krka | people can't have personalities, that's just absurd! |
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| 20:08.53 | Industrial | must.. hold.. back.. on yourmom jokes |
| 20:09.39 | Industrial | krka: its a community channel. its even called the lounge |
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| 20:10.19 | Seerah | I'd rather see personalities than robots |
| 20:10.37 | Furl | I've found some really interesting insights into the WoW server model of late. |
| 20:11.16 | krka | no way, robots are friggin' awesome, just look at bender |
| 20:11.20 | Kaso | The reason i come here is to see if i can aid any beginners with wow coding, to learn some interesting tit-bits about more advanced lua/wow, and for socialisng from a programmer/nerd perspective |
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| 20:11.30 | Furl | tit-bits? |
| 20:11.39 | Lopeppeppy | And some programmers/nerds are different and behave differently than you expect. |
| 20:11.43 | Lopeppeppy | That's not necessarily bad. |
| 20:11.44 | Furl | binary pornography? |
| 20:12.10 | Seerah | see? |
| 20:12.13 | Seerah | nerd humor |
| 20:12.38 | Seerah | I think we're all geeks here |
| 20:12.41 | art3mis | i come here to hit on chicks and belt out lounge classics like Mac the Knife |
| 20:12.55 | Kaso | haha, awesome furl |
| 20:13.01 | Seerah | so... what you're getting is socializing from a programmer/nerd perspective - how is this different from what you expect? :) |
| 20:13.20 | sag_ich_nicht | gah |
| 20:13.29 | sag_ich_nicht | wait nvm wrong channel |
| 20:14.58 | Furl | Basically it's all compartmentalized, like every small aspect. The DBs are in a blizz format, nothing outside, and full binary... reminds me personally of an uncompressed MPQ |
| 20:15.42 | Furl | Character Create contains transfers, PTR transfers, and creations, all stored under a guid... it's at about 11400000 creations atm |
| 20:15.47 | Seerah | is that one of your "titbits"? |
| 20:15.50 | Furl | On US |
| 20:16.19 | Seerah | will you two stop flirting? ;) |
| 20:16.30 | art3mis | did you know they make spam singles? |
| 20:16.38 | Seerah | lol |
| 20:16.49 | art3mis | serious |
| 20:16.53 | Furl | Seerah Jealous? |
| 20:16.58 | art3mis | one square slice of spam for sammich |
| 20:17.02 | Seerah | no, just picking on them :P |
| 20:17.09 | art3mis | picking on who? |
| 20:17.12 | Furl | Them |
| 20:17.18 | Furl | Apparently! |
| 20:17.39 | Cide | art3mis and Lopeppeppy I'm guessing :P |
| 20:17.55 | Seerah | see? they're so engrossed, they don't even notice ;) |
| 20:17.57 | Seerah | jk |
| 20:18.23 | Furl | Well that's not a good situation to tormet them then |
| 20:18.33 | Furl | They must notice for it to have true effect |
| 20:18.42 | Furl | For example, |
| 20:19.40 | Furl | Now art3mis may do with the spam as he wishes, which should hopefully, lest he is a vegetable, provide some entertainment |
| 20:20.01 | art3mis | even veggies like spam! |
| 20:20.05 | art3mis | cuz its not real meat |
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| 20:20.12 | Crysli | Would handing out spam be defined as spamming? |
| 20:20.19 | art3mis | yes |
| 20:20.22 | Furl | Yes. |
| 20:20.36 | Crysli | "Here, have some canned almost-meat!" *BAN* |
| 20:20.38 | art3mis | much like.. |
| 20:20.52 | Furl | So, if, |
| 20:20.55 | art3mis | is considered funny |
| 20:21.00 | Furl | I shuld get /kicked |
| 20:21.16 | Seerah | I used to love spam as a kid - we'd always have soam sammiches when camping |
| 20:21.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'm baking cookies, not paying huge attention. |
| 20:21.22 | Seerah | mmmmmm |
| 20:21.25 | Crysli | Yummy |
| 20:21.31 | Seerah | can I have a cookie, lopeppeppy? |
| 20:21.36 | Furl | Either way, you bore me. |
| 20:21.52 | Maldivia | hmm... anyone remember how long it usually takes from you've created a character till you can choose it on the forum to post from? |
| 20:21.54 | Seerah | awww.... I was gonna answer his request, but he left |
| 20:22.12 | Seerah | depends on how slow the forum database is being |
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| 20:22.48 | Maldivia | Seerah: well, created the char friday... haven't showed up yet :| |
| 20:23.14 | Seerah | I don't know if it's manual or automatic updates. But it's only been 3 days, and today's a holiday |
| 20:24.10 | Industrial | Shirik: love the updater! :d |
| 20:24.33 | Crysli | Maldivia, what's the name? Just so we won't flame you when you go and say smart things. |
| 20:24.41 | Crysli | The name of your character, that is. |
| 20:25.04 | Seerah | Indie: I'm lobbying to make it prettified |
| 20:25.18 | Industrial | Seerah: \o/ |
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| 20:25.29 | Seerah | gave it a PS makeover and everything! |
| 20:25.38 | Seerah | but there are some bugs left in it still that need worked out |
| 20:25.49 | Maldivia | Crysli: well, waiting to be able to post as Maldivia on US, but no luck so far :| |
| 20:26.15 | Seerah | do you have any other characters to post with? |
| 20:26.20 | Seerah | just put Maldivia in the sig |
| 20:26.20 | Crysli | Ah. |
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| 20:26.39 | Crysli | Do you actually play on the Us forums or? |
| 20:26.46 | Crysli | US servers, even |
| 20:27.27 | Maldivia | yeah, got my US account back last week |
| 20:28.01 | Maldivia | so now I can troll both EU and US, muhahaha... |
| 20:28.05 | Crysli | D: |
| 20:28.15 | Crysli | I want to do that too, but I'm short on money. |
| 20:29.21 | Crysli | I can't even afford clothes - I'm wearing newspapers, stolen from random people. |
| 20:29.28 | Crysli | Fell sorry for me. |
| 20:29.29 | Maldivia | mmm... hot! |
| 20:29.31 | Crysli | Feel, even. |
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| 20:30.10 | Maldivia | apparently, it was too much information for cncfanatic to handle :) |
| 20:30.35 | Crysli | Spacecows are hot in newspapers. |
| 20:32.13 | Shirik | (15:23:52) (Industrial) Shirik: love the updater! :d |
| 20:32.14 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 20:33.04 | kergoth | what updater? |
| 20:33.44 | kergoth | ah, right |
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| 20:36.19 | wereHamster | Shirik, the official name of the addons folder (=as wow.exe creates it) is AddOns, and not Addons, that breaks the updater on linux |
| 20:36.28 | Shirik | oops |
| 20:36.59 | Shirik | See I created my folder before WoW did, so I never knew that |
| 20:37.07 | Seerah | Windows isn't case sensitive. I keep meaning to change that in the MyMedia instructions, too... |
| 20:37.35 | Crysli | http://dreamalchemy.net/WoW/NewUI-Part1.jpg - I just saw this on the newest Post your UI thread. It's... Original. |
| 20:38.01 | kergoth | hmm, the 'register addons' thing in the new updater is a little .. iffy. you can probably just exclude, at least by default, items with .svn or .git dirs, for example |
| 20:38.19 | kd3 | wth? a circular viewport |
| 20:38.35 | AnduinLothar | but why |
| 20:38.47 | Seerah | whoa.... tunnel vision |
| 20:38.52 | Kaso | The Case-sensitivity of osx/HFS+ is wierd, it maintains case, but is insensitive to case or something, i remeber reading an article about its wierdness |
| 20:38.53 | Lopeppeppy | If they have a screen big enough, I guess. |
| 20:39.43 | Crysli | Yeah, I just think it's sacrificing a lot of viewing space. |
| 20:39.50 | Shirik | kergoth: I didn't think about svn/git directories |
| 20:39.55 | Shirik | in fact, dot directories in general should be ignored |
| 20:40.07 | kergoth | i'd hate to accidentally replace an addon with a wowi version of it if i'm tracking svn :) |
| 20:40.59 | zenzelezz | <Kaso> The Case-sensitivity of osx/HFS+ is wierd, it maintains case, but is insensitive to case or something, i remeber reading an article about its wierdness <--- well, that's just what Windows does |
| 20:41.41 | Kaso | mm, true, i cant remeber what i read now >.< |
| 20:41.42 | Shirik | Industrial: So you're not having problems, though? |
| 20:41.49 | Industrial | Shirik: none |
| 20:42.18 | Industrial | I like that it uses 5 threads at a time :p |
| 20:42.28 | Industrial | gogogo bombard request update |
| 20:42.30 | Industrial | done |
| 20:44.41 | Maldivia | Crysli: I take it he plays as an engineer, with the enginnering goggles :) |
| 20:45.22 | Crysli | Pardon? |
| 20:45.29 | Maldivia | the screenshot :) |
| 20:45.43 | Crysli | Oh. Goggles? Not sure I'm following here |
| 20:45.58 | Maldivia | nevermind then |
| 20:46.15 | Crysli | Alright ^^ |
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| 20:49.06 | Crysli | I'm off. Got a bunch of homework. Have fun everybody! |
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| 20:59.28 | Lopeppeppy | Why hello thar, Lunessa. |
| 20:59.55 | Lunessa | o, y hullo dere! I hazed cheeseburger. |
| 21:24.50 | kd3 | oh whee. we've got a port to shat now |
| 21:26.21 | kd3 | s/shat/the isle of Quel'Danas/ |
| 21:26.50 | Lopeppeppy | And from Shat to the Caverns of Time. |
| 21:27.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, but no portal back |
| 21:27.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Still, a portal to is an improvement |
| 21:27.19 | kd3 | yes |
| 21:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | And wow that place rapes my FPS |
| 21:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 5.9FPS ftl |
| 21:27.56 | AnduinLothar | lol, I love that I can rename my char back to my orig name on PTRs |
| 21:29.13 | Lunessa | Are you in maragritaville? |
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| 21:32.26 | Lopeppeppy | Not yet. I've once again emptied the house of alcohol! |
| 21:33.32 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not desperate enough to steal your Nyquil, darlin'. |
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| 21:34.55 | zenzelezz | I don't need alcohol; peppy, Cairenn and pez provide by far enough stimulation |
| 21:35.03 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:35.06 | Lunessa | I'm disappointed. Cog is within 50 miles... and no time for beers. |
| 21:35.33 | art3mis | no lunessa |
| 21:35.41 | art3mis | no time for beers WITH YOU |
| 21:35.46 | art3mis | ;) |
| 21:35.50 | AnduinLothar | boy i love seeing "C stack overflow" printed to my chat frame when i login.. |
| 21:35.52 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 21:36.29 | zenzelezz | for you Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-happy-kitten-with-mom.jpg |
| 21:36.41 | Cairenn | awwwwwwww |
| 21:36.47 | AnduinLothar | mmm they broke Gymnast |
| 21:41.59 | AnduinLothar | where did they move the badge loot vendor to? |
| 21:42.18 | zenzelezz | look up |
| 21:42.25 | Lopeppeppy | Adorable, zenzelezz. |
| 21:42.53 | AnduinLothar | he ont he 2nd floor, i transported already |
| 21:42.57 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 21:43.17 | zenzelezz | he should be upstairs, or so I'm told |
| 21:43.21 | AnduinLothar | aww wtf cany fly on sunwell isl? |
| 21:43.46 | AnduinLothar | ahh azeroth |
| 21:43.50 | kd3 | can't fly in ghostlands/eversong either |
| 21:44.10 | AnduinLothar | yeah i didn't realize it was on azeroth, dunno where i thought it was |
| 21:45.00 | AnduinLothar | kinda funny looking flying things. you sit on their heads like the rays |
| 21:46.19 | kd3 | sweet, we do get a free port back to shat |
| 21:46.23 | kd3 | complete the new daily quest |
| 21:46.59 | AnduinLothar | mmm i should go explore silvermmon on my main |
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| 21:49.40 | AnduinLothar | oh cool. you can buy nether vortexes for 15 badges and 6g |
| 21:50.57 | Shirik | imder[roced omp |
| 21:50.59 | Shirik | wow |
| 21:51.02 | Shirik | underpriced imo |
| 21:51.24 | zenzelezz | by far |
| 21:51.50 | AnduinLothar | true, but it might make the boe plans sellable now that you can make them without being in a raid guild |
| 21:52.02 | Lunessa | Well, it means guys like me will finally be able to get upgrades to their crafted weapons. |
| 21:52.43 | zenzelezz | I thought BoE patterns were mostly Nether, while BoP were Vortex? Never really looked |
| 21:52.54 | AnduinLothar | mmm you might be right |
| 21:53.36 | zenzelezz | but Lunessa has a point; although I still feel they should cost *at least* 25 badges, what with raids dropping them too |
| 21:53.39 | Lunessa | Lots of crafted epics that use Vortexs. |
| 21:54.09 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: yes, but are the recipes BoP or BoE? |
| 21:54.21 | AnduinLothar | boots of the protector at bop, but boe plans. they use nethers |
| 21:54.27 | Lunessa | I think BoP. |
| 21:54.36 | zenzelezz | I mean the plans/patterns/..., not the crafted item |
| 21:54.38 | AnduinLothar | belt of the gaurdian are bop plans with boe belt |
| 21:54.42 | AnduinLothar | that use vortex |
| 21:54.52 | zenzelezz | somehow BoP pattern -> BoE item; while BoE pattern -> BoP item mostly from raids |
| 21:54.55 | Lunessa | yeah. |
| 21:58.06 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: win |
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| 22:11.40 | AnduinLothar | what happened to the vendors at the ring of trials in nagrand |
| 22:14.19 | Fin | cool: http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/ |
| 22:14.57 | Seerah | ohhh |
| 22:16.05 | Fin | I didn't know Wikipedia used UseModWiki originally |
| 22:16.17 | Fin | lua-users' wiki uses that |
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| 22:22.11 | AnduinLothar | damnit. t5 chest is now better than the kracken heart and i've passed on it so many times.. |
| 22:22.38 | zenzelezz | did they buff T5? Or nerf Kracken? |
| 22:22.57 | AnduinLothar | all ret gear got it's spell dmg truned into str |
| 22:23.15 | AnduinLothar | so season 1&2 and tier4-6 |
| 22:24.08 | AnduinLothar | t5 chest is down a little on stats but you can make up for it in gems, which means it does that same dmg as kracken but also has 20 int |
| 22:24.15 | AnduinLothar | and counts for the 2pc |
| 22:25.06 | AnduinLothar | since i still use t5 shoulders, which are now buffed so they're better than the ones off Rage, imo |
| 22:26.09 | AnduinLothar | plus if i paid for epic gems then they'd be even better since the tier gear has sockets and kracken and blood-stainded don't |
| 22:27.58 | kandoko | On wowwiki UnitFactionGroup(UnitName("player")) is supposed to return correct data after the "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" event, but even calling after that or the later "PLAYER_ALIVE" event still gets nils as a result. Just how long to you have to postpone, before the faction info becomes available? |
| 22:32.09 | AnduinLothar | =D my [Recipe: Elixir of Major Mageblood] has a 1250g bid on it! |
| 22:32.17 | Valaron|Work | nice |
| 22:32.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Shock |
| 22:32.20 | zenzelezz | nice, grats :) |
| 22:32.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That might be worth a lot more than 1250g on my server :/ |
| 22:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd sell for over 2000g easily :/ |
| 22:33.37 | Fin | personally I'd cancel the auction and put it up for a bit more of a silly price first, just to see if it sells! |
| 22:33.41 | AnduinLothar | welll thottbot said 900g and i couldn't find any other data, so i put it for 1250-1500 and it looks liek someone took the first bid. no buyouts tho, which makes me think it's not innately 2kg worthy |
| 22:34.44 | AnduinLothar | still has 24hr+ on it, so we'll see |
| 22:35.12 | AnduinLothar | i've never had more than 1kg at any given time... |
| 22:35.42 | Seerah | flying mount, here you come :) |
| 22:36.20 | AnduinLothar | that's the idea.... dunno if i'll get there... got some enchanting that i've been too poor to do |
| 22:37.19 | AnduinLothar | tho i've been thinkign about selling ssc pally belts.... i have 4 vortexes which will devalue once 2.4 comes |
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| 22:38.13 | AnduinLothar | and those sell for 1k+ |
| 22:38.39 | AnduinLothar | so maybe if i sell 2 i can get my epic :) |
| 22:52.39 | Cairenn | oh this is interesting - try going to the main Blizz page (US) |
| 22:52.50 | Cairenn | XML Parsing Error: unclosed token |
| 22:52.51 | Cairenn | Location: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml |
| 22:52.51 | Cairenn | Line Number 346, Column 29: <a href="javascript:;" onclick="popupAlpha("video","wow_shatner-en-us","movies/wow-tvcommercial","wow_shatner |
| 22:52.51 | Cairenn | ----------------------------^ |
| 22:53.37 | Cidan | ya |
| 22:53.42 | Cidan | been happening on and off now |
| 22:54.06 | zenzelezz | load fine for me |
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| 22:54.30 | acemo | im having some trouble with this addon am trying to fix.. http://rafb.net/p/Ouvy2E80.html this is the error am getting, http://rafb.net/p/8Ua7z374.html this is the command im trying to use, what am i doing wrong? |
| 22:54.55 | Shirik | it's missing the language |
| 22:55.03 | Shirik | SendChatMessage("blueey quick quick someone missing Mark of the Wild", "CHANNEL", indexChannel) |
| 22:55.08 | Shirik | should be SendChatMessage("blueey quick quick someone missing Mark of the Wild", "CHANNEL", nil, indexChannel) |
| 22:55.43 | Shirik | actually that's not the error you're getting, but that's another problem |
| 22:56.56 | acemo | that seemed to have fixed it tho, no errors now =) |
| 22:57.05 | Shirik | interesting |
| 22:59.19 | Shirik | acemo: What is ChatMod |
| 22:59.26 | Shirik | it seems like a badly hooking tool |
| 22:59.28 | wereHamster | Shirik, makes sense, a hooked SendChatMessage calls GetChannelName, with nil as channel |
| 22:59.42 | Shirik | aye, I was just getting to that :) |
| 23:00.17 | acemo | Shirik: ChatMod is some addon that lets u scroll the chat window, has some other functions too but i got it for the chat scrolling ^^ |
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| 23:00.34 | Shirik | Any idea who wrote it? |
| 23:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | My router was tracking 4096 concurrent connections, and we had over 190GB downloaded |
| 23:01.07 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: You make it sound like Comcast actually cares about their network |
| 23:01.11 | Shirik | and that someone monitors it |
| 23:01.15 | Shirik | what are you smoking? |
| 23:01.19 | acemo | no idea, let me check |
| 23:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Feb 18 15:46:22 router nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 23:01.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Feb 18 15:46:26 router printk: 40 messages suppressed. |
| 23:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "full, dropping packet" is always a good thinf |
| 23:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | *thing |
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| 23:02.10 | Shirik | sylvanaar must have been using your router |
| 23:02.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: they DO monitor their network... many people I know who are torrent addicts have recieved excessive usage letters, and they close :25/tcp outbound based upon the volume of spam you're sending |
| 23:02.42 | acemo | Shirik: solariz is the maintainer of ChatMOD |
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| 23:02.49 | acemo | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/3430/ |
| 23:02.53 | Shirik | someone needs to talk to him and tell him not to do that |
| 23:03.13 | acemo | do you think an addon that tells people wich buffs are missing in the raid, should be said in /raid or in druid/priest/mage/pally chatchannel depending on what class is able to do the buff? |
| 23:03.15 | Shirik | if you're going to hook something, you should hook it properly (and make appropriate assertions) |
| 23:03.48 | sylvanaar | what |
| 23:05.10 | Shirik | (18:01:07) (ScytheBlade1) Feb 18 15:46:22 router nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 23:05.14 | Shirik | (18:01:23) -› Quit: sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@12.179.203.116) (Broken pipe) |
| 23:05.18 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 23:05.52 | sylvanaar | i think mine was because I killed MSAgent, since it had frozen up MIRC |
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| 23:05.57 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:06.00 | Lopeppeppy | acemo, if someone in my raid had that mod and it output to raid we'd likely /kick them. |
| 23:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | Make it so that the user sets where the output goes (if any goes anywhere). |
| 23:06.42 | Lopeppeppy | I want my priest lead to see who's missing Fort for sure, but not everyone in the raid needs to know it. |
| 23:07.11 | sylvanaar | what are you talking about |
| 23:08.35 | acemo | Lopeppeppy: yeah.. i noticed oure raid was missing a few buffs often and thought i'd find an addon that says who needs what buff.. only good one i could find was one that says it all in raid and cant be configured.. am hard coding it to let it be outputted to the appropiate class channels now |
| 23:09.19 | Lopeppeppy | acemo: As long as it's user configurable. Because raid spam is FTL every single time. |
| 23:10.07 | acemo | Lopeppeppy: i have no idea how to do user configurable n stuff.. just making it work for my specific guild now.. then ill send a message to the maintainer to do that =p |
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| 23:11.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds good then. Always communicate with the original coder of an addon when you make changes, since it started out as their baby. |
| 23:12.21 | acemo | Lopeppeppy: yeah.. cuz if im going to adjust it.. it will be for my own use how i want it, if im going to release any code, it will be my own mod written from scratch |
| 23:13.26 | Kaso | Argh, what's wrong with my tubes today >.< theyre all clogged or something |
| 23:15.18 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. Shirik |
| 23:15.18 | sag_ich_nicht | hi |
| 23:15.32 | Shirik | hi |
| 23:15.33 | sag_ich_nicht | want to hear something funny? |
| 23:15.53 | Shirik | probably not, but you're going to tell me anyway |
| 23:16.15 | sag_ich_nicht | modern videocards(think GF8800 w. 768MB VRAM) can eat up the pagedpoolsize, crashing WoW and other 3D applications unintentionally |
| 23:16.16 | sag_ich_nicht | :> |
| 23:16.30 | sag_ich_nicht | *pagedpool |
| 23:16.41 | sylvanaar | wired |
| 23:16.50 | sylvanaar | s/wired/wierd/ |
| 23:16.53 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah, it gets even funnier |
| 23:16.57 | Shirik | do we seriously need graphics cards with that amount of memory? |
| 23:17.02 | sylvanaar | i have that amount |
| 23:17.08 | sag_ich_nicht | if you add in antivir and firewall software |
| 23:17.12 | Shirik | just because you have it doesn't mean you need it :P |
| 23:17.13 | sag_ich_nicht | that installs itself as device driver |
| 23:17.38 | sag_ich_nicht | those then eat the paged pool as well instead of userspace memory |
| 23:17.48 | sylvanaar | mmkay |
| 23:17.58 | sylvanaar | get to the punchline |
| 23:17.59 | Lopeppeppy | Huh..... I wonder if that's why I sometimes crash my wow. *sigh* |
| 23:18.04 | Cidan | also yes Shirik, we do. |
| 23:18.23 | sag_ich_nicht | sylvanaar: the punchline was already there, if you don't get it, not my problem :P |
| 23:18.32 | sylvanaar | what os do you use |
| 23:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | I'm dumb, sag_ich_nicht, 'splain to me? |
| 23:18.44 | sag_ich_nicht | win xp sp2 sylvanaar :) |
| 23:18.51 | acemo | eww :p |
| 23:18.56 | sylvanaar | vista behaves differently |
| 23:19.00 | sag_ich_nicht | sylvanaar: durrrrr |
| 23:19.19 | sag_ich_nicht | because vista was designed with huge ass videocards and other fun stuff in mind |
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| 23:19.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Lopeppeppy: well you can manually increase it, or configure the memory managment to try and allocate as much as possible to it |
| 23:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | While my piddly XP does not enjoy huge ass video cards. |
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| 23:19.42 | sylvanaar | it was designed to keep as much as possible in memory |
| 23:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | Priority, sag_ich_nicht? |
| 23:20.02 | sag_ich_nicht | sylvanaar: the paged pool is the kernel memory basicially |
| 23:20.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Lopeppeppy: i have it already in my clipboard geez |
| 23:20.19 | sag_ich_nicht | depends on your RAM size |
| 23:20.29 | sag_ich_nicht | if you have 4GB or 3.5 for that matter you can set it to max |
| 23:20.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome, +2 DMCA violation emails |
| 23:20.58 | Lopeppeppy | I have 3g of RAM, I still sometimes randomly crash my WoW and I was wondering if it's my nasty XP lovin' video card. Hmm. |
| 23:21.06 | sag_ich_nicht | anything below that you should probably play around with different settings(you could also attach a console debugger over a null modem cabel and calculate the exact ammount needed, but uh... i think we're all too lazy for that |
| 23:21.06 | foxlit | I can has a <Button> |
| 23:21.15 | foxlit | I call Button:GetNormalTexture() and get nil |
| 23:21.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Lopeppeppy: |
| 23:21.22 | sag_ich_nicht | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management |
| 23:21.32 | foxlit | Who do I need to poke to spawn the relevant texture? |
| 23:21.35 | sylvanaar | oh right, yeah - everyone is going to install a checked build of windows |
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| 23:22.47 | sag_ich_nicht | PagePoolSize, values in hex are: 192Mb 0c000000 256Mb 10000000 384Mb 18000000 |
| 23:22.53 | Lopeppeppy | I think I'll do the selective startup mode experiment first, kthx. I'm a geek of a different stripe than HKEY.... |
| 23:23.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Lopeppeppy do whatever you like |
| 23:24.04 | sag_ich_nicht | you could also just check if that is the problem by simply starting team fortress 2 or any other game that uses the source engine in multiplayer at max details and wait for it to tell you that your paged pool is too small.. which, unlike WoW, doesn't just crash when that happens |
| 23:24.15 | kd3 | oh WTF, "The 2 Ring" actually exists |
| 23:24.20 | kd3 | just got linked in /2 |
| 23:24.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes it does |
| 23:24.37 | Lopeppeppy | I am just not a cool enough geek to understand your language, sadly. But maybe I can borrow someone's other game and see how it works. |
| 23:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34837 |
| 23:25.21 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway, someone should probably tell Hortus about this problem |
| 23:25.21 | sylvanaar | it sounds dubious still |
| 23:25.58 | sag_ich_nicht | sylvanaar: feel free to buy a plane ticket, fly over to europe, come to my house, set my pagedpoolsize to 0 and watch WoW crash all. the. fucking. time. |
| 23:26.17 | sylvanaar | what graphics card do you have? |
| 23:26.23 | acemo | sag_ich_nicht: how about you be the one that buys the plane ticket? :p |
| 23:26.29 | Cidan | What are you going off about now sag_ich_nicht? |
| 23:26.48 | Cidan | What, that if you have no paged memory space, things crash? |
| 23:26.49 | sag_ich_nicht | acemo: he is the one that doesn't believe me, so he can be the one to prove it wrong. |
| 23:27.06 | acemo | sag_ich_nicht: so? be nice and buy me a ticket? :P |
| 23:27.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: 0 is the default setting, it's a toggle for windows to auto size it |
| 23:27.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra |
| 23:27.25 | sag_ich_nicht | *me script* |
| 23:27.36 | Cidan | so it crashes when the page file is autosized? |
| 23:27.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: not the pagefile |
| 23:27.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: this is about the kernel memory space aka Paged Pool |
| 23:28.10 | Fin | so, 192/last sylvanaar 2 |
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| 23:28.13 | Fin | oops |
| 23:28.24 | Cidan | you're joking right? |
| 23:28.30 | Cidan | like you just made a funny right? |
| 23:28.30 | Fin | let me start again. |
| 23:28.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: no, i'm not, sadly. |
| 23:28.39 | Fin | btw: If PagedPoolSize >= 192 MB PagePoolSize = 192 MB |
| 23:29.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: which is also why: [00:15] <sag_ich_nicht> btw. Shirik [00:15] <sag_ich_nicht> want to hear something funny? |
| 23:29.19 | Fin | http://www.listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0107c&L=sas-l&P=36593 |
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| 23:29.29 | Cidan | non-paged pool is fully held-in-memory pools; these are 100% guaranteed to be in physical memory |
| 23:29.42 | Cidan | paged pool is simply the kernel space used up on the pagefile |
| 23:30.25 | Cidan | thus, the error: page fault |
| 23:30.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: then why does the windows documentation tell me something different? i mean, maybe i read something wrong, that's definifely possible |
| 23:31.18 | sag_ich_nicht | +proper spelling |
| 23:31.25 | Cidan | You did. If you're crashing because of a pf, which it seems you are, you are either running out of swap or you have a bad hard drive where the swap is stored |
| 23:31.31 | Cidan | or some other I/O error |
| 23:31.54 | Cidan | there is a remote chance it could be WoW, but I doubt it. 8 million+ accounts? there would be a lot more notice to it |
| 23:31.54 | Fin | Cidan: from what I've read, I don't think it's just kernel space, it's any part of RAM? |
| 23:32.44 | Fin | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940105 |
| 23:32.49 | sylvanaar | i would say: memory leak in your vid card driver |
| 23:32.51 | Fin | "Virtual address space usage in Windows game development" |
| 23:32.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: well considering i have 4GB of ram of which windows xp only addresses 3.5GB of course, and i have a 4 GB pagefile :P :P |
| 23:33.14 | Cidan | then I would look at something else causing the error |
| 23:33.33 | Fin | "If an application creates its own in-memory copy of its video resources, or the application uses DirectX 9 or an earlier version, the virtual address space contains the WDDM video memory manager's virtualized range and the application's copy." |
| 23:34.06 | Cidan | Fin: and yes, you're right, paged pool can contain user space stuff |
| 23:34.22 | Fin | that's from the article I linked, btw |
| 23:34.24 | Cidan | AND physical ram |
| 23:34.31 | Cidan | but it's not guaranteed to be physical ram |
| 23:34.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: feel free to read my WoW crash reports, blizzard support was too retarded to find anything in it and blamed my RAM even after I've run a memory test for 72h hours straight showing NO damage at all, and i owe it to TF2 that I actually got a hint to where the problem is coming from |
| 23:34.58 | Shirik | (18:31:06) (Cidan) You did. If you're crashing because of a pf, which it seems you are, you are either running out of swap or you have a bad hard drive where the swap is stored |
| 23:35.03 | Fin | sag_ich_nicht: with 4GB RAM what the hell do you need such a massive swap file for?! I'd make it way smaller to force normal RAM to be used more - although I don't know why you've got that much RAM in the first place! |
| 23:35.05 | sag_ich_nicht | and my raid 0+1 is working fine, thanks. |
| 23:35.18 | Shirik | Tbh I've had "page faults" from errors that should have been a segmentation fault |
| 23:35.22 | Shirik | but that was another OS, too |
| 23:35.33 | sag_ich_nicht | Fin: photoshop is a bitch, and so is premiere. |
| 23:35.37 | Fin | ah |
| 23:35.38 | Shirik | probably because I was accessing a bad page |
| 23:35.40 | Fin | fair enough |
| 23:35.41 | Cidan | lol |
| 23:35.58 | Fin | anyway |
| 23:36.02 | Fin | I think we're all on the same page here |
| 23:36.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Fin |
| 23:36.10 | purl | smacks Fin up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 23:36.20 | Cidan | hah. |
| 23:36.20 | Lopeppeppy | Owies. |
| 23:36.21 | sag_ich_nicht | that was a really bad pun |
| 23:37.34 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: you can also feel free to come here, set /DEBUG in boot.ini, attach a console to my system and WATCH as the system runs out of paged pool when PagePoolSize is set to 0 aka autosize |
| 23:38.12 | sag_ich_nicht | i've been too lazy to do so i have to admit :P |
| 23:38.18 | Cidan | Well then if you can WATCH your OS run out of paged memory... what does this have to do with WoW again? |
| 23:38.20 | Fin | this reminds me: has anyone tried tweaking their ACK response times for WoW? |
| 23:38.34 | sag_ich_nicht | you mean lowering the ACK queue size? |
| 23:38.35 | Fin | like the "FasterPing" utility apparently does? |
| 23:38.39 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah, helps your ping a ton |
| 23:38.42 | sag_ich_nicht | well "ping" |
| 23:38.46 | sag_ich_nicht | isn't really true |
| 23:38.47 | Fin | er, yeah |
| 23:38.52 | sag_ich_nicht | but it helps with the game latency, yes |
| 23:38.57 | Fin | have you tried it? |
| 23:39.00 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
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| 23:39.11 | sag_ich_nicht | i am using it right now, constant ping of 34 ms instead of ~160 ms |
| 23:39.14 | Fin | do you currently still use faster ACKs? |
| 23:39.20 | foxlit | qq! |
| 23:39.25 | sag_ich_nicht | you can get up to 4000 percent increase from ACK traffic tho if you do that |
| 23:39.31 | foxlit | My poor child button ends up below its parent :( |
| 23:39.33 | sag_ich_nicht | Fin: it still helps, disabling nagling has nothing to do with it |
| 23:39.47 | Fin | I have a sub50ms ping time normally, but not always, and I'm always interested in efficiency :) |
| 23:39.58 | sag_ich_nicht | frind of mine had that |
| 23:40.00 | Shirik | People need to stop worrying about this crap |
| 23:40.04 | sag_ich_nicht | then he changed it, now he has a 8 ms ping |
| 23:40.09 | Fin | disabling nagling :) heh, that's a phrase :) I don't actually dick with that |
| 23:40.11 | sag_ich_nicht | (fucking french border living bastard) |
| 23:40.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Fin: nagling is disabled already |
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| 23:40.26 | Shirik | They're making the numbers look good and in the process, making their efficiency worth |
| 23:40.27 | Shirik | worse* |
| 23:40.33 | sag_ich_nicht | Fin: delayed ACK has nothing to do with nagling PER SE |
| 23:41.11 | Fin | Shirik: it's interesting crap! it's like addons for addon's sake :) tweaking is fun :) |
| 23:41.12 | Shirik | WHO CARES that the ACK packet is taking longer. That doesn't matter! What matters is the actual data. |
| 23:41.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: well, it helps with the game ping, but, as you said, increases bandwidth consumption, i already looked it up |
| 23:41.12 | sag_ich_nicht | don't tell me :P |
| 23:41.14 | Shirik | If there's nothing to send, why are we going to send it.... |
| 23:41.18 | Fin | Shirik: who cares? I don't know, have you tried it? I was asking because I wondered if anyone had any empirical evidence :) |
| 23:41.19 | foxlit | I can change the frame level, but whatever messed up in the first place will probably reset it :( |
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| 23:41.49 | Shirik | It's like memory usage. I can decrease my memory usage significantly if I want to. It will also make it much more stress on the CPU |
| 23:41.53 | Shirik | I have no intention of doing that. |
| 23:42.04 | sag_ich_nicht | [00:38] <Cidan> Well then if you can WATCH your OS run out of paged memory... what does this have to do with WoW again? <--WoW crashes because of it, because the video driver suicides because there is no paged pool available anymore |
| 23:42.14 | Shirik | Oh no I'm using 5MB more memory! Too bad I only have 1GB free... |
| 23:42.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: true :P |
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| 23:43.22 | sag_ich_nicht | BUT since the crash isn't really very clean, WoW goes "omg memory read errorz!" while it's actually the video driver killing itself :P |
| 23:43.33 | Fin | Shirik: it's all very well to be convinced that you're right, but forgive me for saying that not even bothering to test something yourself is perhaps misguided |
| 23:44.03 | Shirik | I know the TCP protocol, there's no point in me testing something that I know to be true. I don't care if it will reduce my reported ping; I'm sure it will. |
| 23:44.09 | Shirik | But that doesn't mean my connection is better. |
| 23:44.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik knows that the ping will _look_ lower, doesn't mean it's actually doing anything |
| 23:44.15 | sag_ich_nicht | ^ |
| 23:44.27 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm still using it to be a dick to my ISP tho |
| 23:44.34 | Fin | Shirik: it's all very well to be convinced that you're right, but forgive me for saying that not even bothering to test something yourself is perhaps misguided |
| 23:44.42 | sag_ich_nicht | no, he isn't Fin |
| 23:44.45 | sag_ich_nicht | he's right |
| 23:45.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Fin: what you're saying here is "the ball is ROUNDER" |
| 23:45.05 | sag_ich_nicht | it can't be rounder |
| 23:45.08 | sag_ich_nicht | balls are always round |
| 23:45.09 | sag_ich_nicht | period. |
| 23:45.27 | Fin | I still think what I said is true; quite often things turn out unexpectedly |
| 23:45.37 | Shirik | It's kinda impossible |
| 23:45.41 | sag_ich_nicht | (in b4 argument about nano surface structures) |
| 23:45.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: just do ME the favor and 'test' it so Fin shuts up |
| 23:45.54 | Shirik | You're injecting at least 50 bytes that normally would not have been there, and gaining nothing. |
| 23:45.55 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 23:45.55 | Fin | I wouldn't've said that running Windows Media Player would affect game performance either |
| 23:46.00 | Fin | hey, I'll shut up now |
| 23:46.02 | Fin | don't worry :) |
| 23:46.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Fin: that's CPU sync code |
| 23:46.24 | Shirik | In fact, you're injecting 50 WORTHLESS bytes, because TCP packets have to be padded so they can be picked up by CSMA/CD |
| 23:46.37 | Fin | sag_ich_nicht: I know all about it :) just an example of something that I would ordinarily have said was complete bullshit - but I tested it :) now I'll shut up |
| 23:47.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: enabling it is still awesome to be a dick to your ISP tho |
| 23:47.08 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:47.25 | Shirik | one would hope it wouldn't harm them that severely |
| 23:47.49 | Shirik | though one thing I have considered is creating a cable modem that ignores suppression requests from the router |
| 23:47.58 | Shirik | just constantly spamming data on the line |
| 23:48.13 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 23:48.13 | Shirik | But I'm not mean |
| 23:48.19 | Shirik | But it would kinda screw up the neighborhood |
| 23:49.20 | sag_ich_nicht | i force-set the ToS on all IP traffic leaving my PC to 101 110 :P |
| 23:49.28 | sag_ich_nicht | just to be a dick to routers everywhere |
| 23:49.37 | sag_ich_nicht | (the FEW that actually look at the ToS flag) |
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| 23:50.54 | sag_ich_nicht | (see RFC2598) |
| 23:53.04 | Guillotin1 | heh, the xkcd today is so true |
| 23:53.22 | alestane | That the one about "girls can't do math"? |
| 23:53.34 | Cide | the one implying that, ya |
| 23:54.04 | foxlit | It doesn't imply that :) |
| 23:54.08 | Cide | well |
| 23:54.09 | Cide | no |
| 23:54.20 | Cide | I didn't phrase it properly |
| 23:54.55 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 23:55.02 | sag_ich_nicht | my ex is going to love that XKCD |
| 23:55.04 | alestane | The one about that general assumption. |
| 23:55.08 | Shirik | I don't see why we can't say that the integral of x^2 is pi |
| 23:55.22 | Shirik | I mean we already defined it to fifty other numbers according to indiana |
| 23:55.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Wow, you suck at math. |
| 23:55.56 | Cide | Wow, Shiriks suck at math. |
| 23:56.02 | alestane | The indefinite integral of x^2 is x^3/3, isn't it? Although this isn't the integral of x^2dx, so that might change it. |
| 23:56.27 | Shirik | yes alestane |
| 23:56.36 | Kaso | x^3/3 +c |
| 23:56.38 | Shirik | but I think that was just a typo |
| 23:56.47 | Shirik | screw c |
| 23:56.49 | Cidan | lol? |
| 23:56.52 | Cide | ya, fuck C |
| 23:57.04 | Kaso | C will get its revenge on both of you! |
| 23:57.11 | Cide | it will, when you show that 1=2 |
| 23:57.14 | Cide | by skipping C |
| 23:57.15 | C | BLRHFHGHGHHHSDHHSD |
| 23:57.36 | Cide | it's quite a beautiful false proof |
| 23:57.52 | Cide | but I can't remember it |
| 23:58.16 | alestane | I still liked the shirt I saw that said "'integral from 10 to 13 of x/2 dx'?" (in proper notation) |
| 23:59.06 | Shirik | eval((x/6), 10, 13) = 13/6-10/6 |
| 23:59.10 | Shirik | lua> 13/6-10/6 |
| 23:59.11 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.5 |
| 23:59.20 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 23:59.23 | Shirik | wait |
| 23:59.23 | Cide | x/6? |
| 23:59.24 | Shirik | I fail |
| 23:59.26 | Shirik | shhh |
| 23:59.32 | Shirik | that was actually xx/6 |
| 23:59.36 | Shirik | but you don't see it because your client sucks |
| 23:59.47 | acemo | x=y, how much is x? |
| 23:59.49 | Shirik | lua> 13^2/6 - 10^2/6 |
| 23:59.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: 11.5 |
| 23:59.52 | Cide | my client does unicode, does yours? :P |
| 23:59.55 | Shirik | ok I still don't get it |
| 23:59.57 | alestane | And doesn't it integrate to x^2? |
| 23:59.58 | Cide | Shirik: I still don't get /6 |
