| 00:00.30 | Fin | also 22 healing, and I forget how much mana (without gems, enchants were ignored) |
| 00:00.55 | alestane | Why does it seem like, every time I make a reasonable, thought-out suggestion in the PTR forum, the thread gets deleted within an hour? |
| 00:01.07 | Shirik | I gain a gem slot, 9 healing and 20 stamina for giving up |
| 00:01.09 | Fin | I don't think you'll be able to replace any of those stats properly with gems, unless maybe they were epic, and really if you've got that many epic gems they shouldn't be going in that robe |
| 00:01.13 | Shirik | 20 healing, 10 mp5 |
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| 00:01.20 | Fin | 10 mp5 is a cockload |
| 00:01.24 | Shirik | it is |
| 00:01.28 | Shirik | but add it up |
| 00:01.35 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: because it |
| 00:01.36 | Fin | 20 healing is absolutely nothing really |
| 00:01.41 | Fin | it's 0.1% of your total healing |
| 00:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | 's a suggestion on the PTR forum :) |
| 00:01.48 | Fin | or, er, 1% |
| 00:01.52 | Fin | (ish) |
| 00:02.01 | Shirik | We're talking 200 mana per minute |
| 00:02.09 | Shirik | 1000 mana per 5 minutes |
| 00:02.14 | Fin | 10 mp5 is more like 3-5% of your mp5, I'd say |
| 00:02.16 | Shirik | that's 1 heal.... |
| 00:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Fin: I thought the same thing. Then I looked at all of the minor crap on my Mage's gear... and a dead even 25% of my +dmg comes from enchants and gems. Don't underestimate +20 heal |
| 00:03.14 | Fin | ScytheBlade1: oh I don't underestimate it; it's great - but 10 mp5 is far better in my opinion |
| 00:03.20 | Shirik | but I think Fin's right |
| 00:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed |
| 00:03.25 | Shirik | it's pointless to spend my money now when I have no other reason to break the set |
| 00:03.25 | Shirik | I'm already broke as it is |
| 00:03.41 | Fin | there are a lot of fights where I run out of mana (a lot of the time because the other healers are shit), but I'm never out of mana for very long |
| 00:03.52 | Shirik | I haven't run out of mana in a really long time >< |
| 00:04.01 | Shirik | except on hex lord when I was the only healer left |
| 00:04.02 | Shirik | that wasn't fun |
| 00:04.06 | Shirik | we lasted a while though |
| 00:04.14 | Tem | wtf |
| 00:04.14 | Fin | stick it in the bank, if you get one or two other nice pieces, or one piece that's properly superior to the primal mooncloth slot, then that would be a useable replacement |
| 00:04.25 | Tem | am I retarded? |
| 00:04.30 | Tem | is there anything wrong with this? |
| 00:04.31 | Tem | private boolean isWhitespace(char c){ |
| 00:04.31 | Tem | return c == ' ' || c == '\t' || c == '\n' || c == '\r' || c == '\f'; |
| 00:04.31 | Tem | } |
| 00:04.47 | Shirik | what's the error? |
| 00:04.52 | Tem | no error |
| 00:05.00 | Fin | I seriously would like to get rid of tailoring, it sucks that you basically *have* to have it until a certain point in the game - at least, it's very difficult to accumulate equivalent gear to go in the slots filled by primal mooncloth stuff and whitemend |
| 00:05.14 | batrick | there isn't a whitespace function builtin? |
| 00:05.14 | Tem | Fin, you don't have to have it at all |
| 00:05.30 | Tem | batrick, maybe, but I haven't looked |
| 00:05.31 | Fin | Tem: how can I get gear as good, as easily, without it? |
| 00:05.40 | batrick | java api is your friend |
| 00:05.40 | Shirik | Tem, it looks ok |
| 00:05.48 | Tem | Shirik, thanks for the sanity check |
| 00:06.05 | Tem | for some reason, newlines are getting through my "strip whitespace" section of the tokenizer |
| 00:06.11 | alestane | Yeah, haven't done C/C++ in a while but I don't see a problem. |
| 00:06.14 | Shirik | oh oh |
| 00:06.15 | Fin | I've been exalted with the violet eye for months now, and I've probably seen about one set total drop that I could use, if I'd had all of those bits of loot |
| 00:06.24 | Tem | so they're throwing illegal character exceptions |
| 00:06.30 | Shirik | well |
| 00:06.39 | Shirik | eh |
| 00:07.01 | Fin | it's not, uhm, supposed to be '\\t', or something, is it? |
| 00:07.07 | batrick | no |
| 00:07.09 | Tem | no |
| 00:07.32 | Fin | and using hex wouldn't help, eg, \012 \015 or whatever? |
| 00:07.53 | Fin | I don't know C from a hole in the ground, but hey |
| 00:08.06 | Tem | no, I think it's something to do with my lookahead stuff |
| 00:08.11 | Fin | still curious about why you don't need tailoring... :) |
| 00:08.36 | Tem | something about the trim whitespace might be leaving an extra character on the stream |
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| 00:10.26 | Tem | Fin, just play better until you get the higher gear |
| 00:10.29 | Fin | oh, right |
| 00:10.40 | Tem | also, other professions give advvantages |
| 00:10.48 | Tem | such as enchanting for ring enchants |
| 00:10.55 | Tem | and JC for bop jems |
| 00:10.57 | Tem | gem |
| 00:11.13 | Shirik | /** |
| 00:11.13 | Shirik | * Determines if the specified character is ISO-LATIN-1 white space. |
| 00:11.13 | Shirik | * This method returns <code>true</code> for the following five |
| 00:11.13 | Shirik | * characters only: |
| 00:11.13 | Cairenn | ~seen cogwheel |
| 00:11.16 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@c-67-164-121-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 3d 17h 6m 40s ago, saying: 'nope'. |
| 00:11.16 | Tem | and alchemy for alchemy stone and cheap rejuvs |
| 00:11.22 | Shirik | poor Tem |
| 00:11.43 | Tem | Shirik, I'm in java land, btw |
| 00:11.47 | Shirik | See Character.isSpace |
| 00:11.53 | Fin | I know, but if you're choosing between the professions with your priority to be the best healer you can be, tailoring is to me the only real option |
| 00:11.57 | Tem | thank you, sir |
| 00:12.06 | Tem | Fin, QQ imo |
| 00:12.15 | Shirik | btw, that also adequately handles unicode |
| 00:12.18 | Shirik | which may be your problem |
| 00:12.22 | Tem | no |
| 00:12.32 | Fin | there are benefits from other professions, but they don't match up to the Primal Mooncloth set |
| 00:12.32 | Tem | I'm getting this from the damn console |
| 00:12.43 | Shirik | maybe you have uber console that supports unicode :D |
| 00:12.44 | Tem | Fin, see previous statement about QQ |
| 00:12.52 | Fin | I don't understand what you mean really, sorry |
| 00:13.00 | Tem | Shirik, cmd does not support unicode |
| 00:13.08 | Shirik | I know |
| 00:13.09 | Shirik | :) |
| 00:13.24 | Tem | Fin, never heard the expression "QQ" ? |
| 00:13.31 | Shirik | anyway |
| 00:13.32 | Fin | isn't it another "boggle"? |
| 00:13.33 | Shirik | this is their definition |
| 00:13.36 | Shirik | public static boolean isSpace(char ch) { return (ch <= 0x0020) && (((((1L << 0x0009) | (1L << 0x000A) | (1L << 0x000C) | (1L << 0x000D) | (1L << 0x0020)) >> ch) & 1L) != 0); } |
| 00:13.36 | Tem | I'm basically saying quit your bitching because it doesn't matter |
| 00:13.49 | Tem | Shirik, lol |
| 00:13.49 | Shirik | it's.... kinda confusing |
| 00:13.56 | Fin | was I bitching? oh I do apologise |
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| 00:14.19 | Cidan | QQ <--- If you look at it, it looks like two eyes crying. Maybe not so much on this client. |
| 00:14.28 | Cidan | But that's where it came from. |
| 00:14.35 | Fin | looks like a boggle to me |
| 00:14.43 | Shirik | qq looks more like it imo |
| 00:14.46 | Hojimachong | it looks like two Q's to me |
| 00:14.50 | Hojimachong | where are the tears? |
| 00:15.31 | Cairenn | the hook at the bottom is supposed to represent tears coming out of the round part representing the eyes |
| 00:15.38 | Antiarc | 2.4 PTR known issues list: Only one player per zone is able to get mana back from drinking at one time. |
| 00:15.46 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 00:15.50 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4493581970&sid=1 |
| 00:15.54 | Fin | I think I'll just stick to typing out what I think rather than using letters to represent ambiguous facial expressions |
| 00:16.05 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:16.23 | Cidan | Fin: It has evolved outside of the facial expression, sort of like lol |
| 00:16.27 | Cidan | so really |
| 00:16.28 | Cidan | QQ more. |
| 00:16.36 | Cidan | :P |
| 00:18.13 | Shirik | that bug is awesome |
| 00:18.15 | Shirik | should go live imo |
| 00:18.42 | Antiarc | Shirik: As a rogue, I agree |
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| 00:21.10 | Antiarc | for ScytheBlade1: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_021908_114002.jpg |
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| 00:25.39 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_021908_172443.jpg <-- I hope this bug goes live. I feel badass smacking things with weapons that size. |
| 00:27.44 | Kivin | jesus |
| 00:27.45 | batrick | Shirik: what the fuck was that |
| 00:27.51 | Shirik | hm? |
| 00:28.04 | batrick | that is space function |
| 00:28.06 | Kivin | I can't help but wonder how that happens |
| 00:28.07 | batrick | is ugly as hell |
| 00:28.09 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:28.12 | Shirik | that's Java's code! |
| 00:28.16 | Shirik | 1.6 Character.isSpace |
| 00:28.34 | batrick | wow |
| 00:29.12 | Shirik | they must have had a reason for doing it like that |
| 00:29.26 | batrick | probably something to do with unicode |
| 00:29.51 | batrick | anyway Tem |
| 00:29.57 | batrick | fastest way is technically with a switch statement |
| 00:31.20 | batrick | in C anyway |
| 00:31.23 | ScytheBlade1 | THANK YOU |
| 00:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | They added multiple ravagers to the Netherwing Mines |
| 00:31.41 | batrick | haha |
| 00:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Like |
| 00:31.48 | Lukian | ScytheBlade1, lol on ptr? :D |
| 00:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | The first chamber, across from the bridge? |
| 00:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | SIX RAVAGERS IN THAT ROOM. |
| 00:31.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah @ PTR |
| 00:32.01 | Lukian | hahaha |
| 00:32.03 | Lukian | about time |
| 00:32.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I cound four in the room to the left |
| 00:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | *count |
| 00:33.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Six to the right |
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| 00:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 00:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23840 |
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| 00:47.43 | Kaso | I wonder if toshiba is gonna start making bluray players now they've finally given up on hd |
| 00:48.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | they said they have no plans to yet |
| 00:48.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want one for my 360 :] |
| 00:48.43 | Tuller | buy a ps3 for your 360 :P |
| 00:49.00 | Kaso | MS has said they're going to make a bluray addon iirc |
| 00:49.08 | Tuller | then figure out how to link them |
| 00:49.30 | Kaso | http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Gaming/Console/J7L7H2R4 |
| 00:49.37 | Kaso | Unoffical as of yet, but theyre saying may |
| 00:49.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 00:50.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | MS has said in the past that they have a hddvd drive as a committment to toshiba for making their DVD drives (and their HD-DVD Drives) |
| 00:51.47 | MentalPower | they've also said that the can just as easily (actually easier) make a BluRay addon |
| 00:52.07 | MentalPower | the next iteration of the XBox 360 will now prolly include a BR drive |
| 00:53.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | or the xbox 3 |
| 00:53.40 | MentalPower | true |
| 00:53.58 | MentalPower | it'll be fun when that happens tho, MS giving Sony royalties :P |
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| 00:54.26 | Corrodias | fun? :/ |
| 00:54.26 | Kaso | xbox 1080! |
| 00:54.38 | Shirik | I'm thinking about remaking my 3v3 team |
| 00:54.39 | MentalPower | wonder what they'll call the XBox3 |
| 00:54.40 | Corrodias | it's like satan sucking the teat of beelzebub |
| 00:54.41 | Shirik | what do you guys think of this combo: |
| 00:54.53 | Shirik | disc priest, resto druid, lock or MS war |
| 00:57.03 | Guillotine | for 3v3? |
| 00:57.09 | Tuller | muffins |
| 00:57.16 | Guillotine | definitely MS warr |
| 00:57.27 | Guillotine | well, I guess you could do drain team with a lock |
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| 01:01.44 | Corrodias | microsoft is... decent. they insult us by producing a poor Vista and requiring us to buy it to use dx10, but at least they are actually trying to get us to buy it. |
| 01:01.56 | Corrodias | sony has a record that indicates a deep-seated hatred for their customers |
| 01:03.03 | Tuller | I've come to the conclusion vista's not bad so hah :P |
| 01:03.06 | Corrodias | the epitome of the stereotype of japanese big business |
| 01:03.38 | Corrodias | "bad" i'm not absolutely sure about |
| 01:03.50 | Corrodias | not as good as 5.1 or 5.2 i think we can say |
| 01:03.58 | Kaso | Microsoft were a big cause of this format war in the first place in my opinion, with their opposing the java base interactive crap on bluray, but also sony holds a fair amount of blame for not wanting to change blurays physical atributes any amount so they can keep their royalties. Both companies have shown they really couldnt care less about the customers if it's going to get in the way of their money. |
| 01:04.06 | Corrodias | not deserving of money for an "upgrade" definitely |
| 01:04.50 | Tuller | eh, I guess it depends on what you were expecting :P |
| 01:04.55 | MentalPower | BluRay 2.0 will be a lot better |
| 01:05.55 | Corrodias | i was expecting -- crazy as it may seem, with windows -- something that was like XP plus new stuff. stable, useful, quick. |
| 01:06.07 | Tuller | and I got that :) |
| 01:06.33 | Corrodias | you are not everyone, and others have significant trouble with it |
| 01:07.12 | Tuller | worst thing I've gotten is a graphics driver crash that's recovered in a sane manner :P |
| 01:07.14 | Corrodias | but i must get Vista eventually, on my next computer |
| 01:07.31 | Tuller | to which my reaction was, "holy shit, it didn't blue screen" |
| 01:07.35 | Corrodias | SPEAKING of graphics drivers, it sounds like nvidia + vista + 8000 series is just a headache |
| 01:07.54 | Tuller | what i'm running now? :P |
| 01:08.02 | Corrodias | they've always seemed to have trouble writing good drivers (maybe it's because games abuse them in so many ways), but i don't know that ATI was ever better |
| 01:08.06 | Cidan | as am I |
| 01:08.23 | Cidan | I have 0 issues with Vista + 8800 |
| 01:08.41 | kergoth | i'm not on it now, but i ran vista + 8800 for a couple months without issues |
| 01:08.46 | Cidan | Most people you hear are just QQing loudly because they have nothing else to complain. |
| 01:08.52 | Cidan | about, even. |
| 01:09.05 | Cidan | It's no more of a problem than any of their other cards, etc. |
| 01:09.09 | Corrodias | again, you're not everybody |
| 01:09.11 | Tuller | I was actually expecting a lot of issues since i went the 64 bit route, but nothing so far |
| 01:09.33 | Cidan | Okie dokie Corrodias. :) |
| 01:09.58 | Tuller | oooh I got one |
| 01:10.06 | Tuller | EAX :) |
| 01:10.09 | Corrodias | i'd find examples, but it'd just be a google search away, i'm tanking in SSC, and my cat just injured me |
| 01:10.09 | Tuller | there you go :) |
| 01:10.32 | Cidan | kk, no big deal. |
| 01:10.35 | Cidan | Anyways |
| 01:11.05 | Cidan | One thing I am excited about is the new physics system incoming |
| 01:11.23 | Tuller | cuda'd |
| 01:11.23 | Corrodias | EAX, a very interesting situation |
| 01:12.00 | Cidan | I'm glad it's gone |
| 01:12.11 | Tuller | its sorta back |
| 01:12.16 | Cidan | bah |
| 01:12.19 | Tuller | via alchemy :P |
| 01:12.21 | Cidan | It needs to die. |
| 01:12.24 | Cidan | Yeah I know |
| 01:14.47 | Tuller | you could complain that I'm using 1.3 gigs sitting here doing pretty much nothing |
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| 01:16.48 | break19 | ok |
| 01:17.19 | Tuller | but i don't wanna! :) |
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| 01:18.20 | AnduinLothar | ATI's drivers are nothing special. most work fine, with a few exceptions. And everyone was slow with vista |
| 01:24.05 | Tuller | hrm yes |
| 01:24.24 | Tuller | someone figure out how their button layout should be defined in an ideal world :P |
| 01:26.00 | Thrae|Work | More like everyone was slow when it came to understanding Vista. |
| 01:27.59 | Corrodias | we have way too many undergeared people trying to get into SSC |
| 01:28.39 | Corrodias | this rogue put out only 300 dps. my god. |
| 01:30.07 | Tuller | I wonder if its possible to define perspectives: "my ui looks like this in bear form, this in cat form, and this in caster" |
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| 01:32.31 | Corrodias | just goes to show that we don't have enough main team raiders |
| 01:33.20 | batrick | "- ephemeron tables (tables with weak keys only visit value when |
| 01:33.23 | batrick | key is accessible)" |
| 01:33.30 | batrick | anybody understand what he means by that |
| 01:33.39 | batrick | maybe i'm just braindead right now |
| 01:36.28 | Thrae|Work | Corrodias: I'm a Feral Druid at Level 64 and I already put out more then 300 DPS PvE. |
| 01:37.27 | Thrae|Work | As a Feral Druid, I have only one problem -- I kill things too fast for my combo points to be effective. I need to lookup how energy efficient Maim is as a finisher. Maybe a Maim + Shred... |
| 01:37.32 | Shirik | batrick: Did you like my post on the mailing list? |
| 01:37.41 | Shirik | I think I need to drink more -- I'm not hitting the balmer peak |
| 01:39.08 | Cidan | Drinking is full of fail. |
| 01:39.45 | |Jelly| | if by 'fail' you mean 'win' sure |
| 01:40.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.projectorpeople.com/projectors/projdtls.asp?itemid=23232&itmname=Mitsubishi%20HC4900&tab=summary |
| 01:46.47 | batrick | Shirik: the one in the multiple parameters thread? |
| 01:46.54 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:47.13 | batrick | you sounded kinda sober 2 me u need moar alcohol |
| 01:47.14 | batrick | imo |
| 01:47.41 | batrick | i mkae post hereee |
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| 01:53.23 | Shirik | anyone know a good arena addon? Seeing all enemy members is a must; preferably also it would have a way of remembering past opponent teams and giving me some info |
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| 01:54.09 | Guillotine | Shirik: ArenaIgnore+Proximo |
| 01:54.13 | |Jelly| | i really like proximo *shrug* |
| 01:54.20 | Shirik | I have heard good things about proximo |
| 01:54.34 | Shirik | I don't have a problem with having multiples, but that second part is kinda important :) |
| 01:54.52 | |Jelly| | what info do you want? |
| 01:55.25 | Shirik | anything that would help me not suck >< |
| 01:55.41 | |Jelly| | proximo gives spec, etc |
| 01:55.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry, there are no addons that will teach you how to play ;D |
| 01:55.55 | Shirik | oh it does? |
| 01:55.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Enjoy the 1500s. |
| 01:56.03 | Shirik | I thought it just was hp bars that's it |
| 01:56.09 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1. |
| 01:56.19 | Shirik | you are so lucky my raid starts in 5 minutes |
| 01:56.22 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 01:56.26 | ScytheBlade1 | YET AGAIN YOU WIMP OUT |
| 01:56.58 | Thrae|Work | I hear better things about SSAF then Proximo |
| 01:57.03 | |Jelly| | i wanna fite shirik! |
| 01:57.14 | Shirik | |Jelly|: after this raid, ptr |
| 01:57.26 | |Jelly| | no copied characters |
| 01:57.32 | Shirik | well make a lv 1 |
| 01:57.37 | |Jelly| | reroll on my server imo |
| 02:00.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic |
| 02:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | My cell phone just died |
| 02:00.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It just sits there and reboots over and over, every second... |
| 02:00.36 | batrick | sounds common to me |
| 02:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: name/server? I'm curious |
| 02:03.23 | Shirik | if you're going to armory it, it's probably borked |
| 02:03.31 | Shirik | I change armor/spec too much, but have fun |
| 02:03.33 | Shirik | Kimina/Drenden |
| 02:03.33 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh that's right |
| 02:04.19 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 02:04.23 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Jelly vs Kimina! Two 70 priests square off!; 43/18/0 vs 42/19/0; Kimina wins by 243 TBRs! |
| 02:04.30 | |Jelly| | whore |
| 02:04.39 | |Jelly| | !co us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 02:04.54 | Shirik | I'm definitely holy atm |
| 02:05.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I do like your 3v3 name though |
| 02:05.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (But it needs more resto druid) |
| 02:06.09 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:06.13 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, that's my raid gear |
| 02:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that entire 23 res kinda told me that |
| 02:06.33 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:07.03 | Shirik | but yeah, the 3v3 is changing |
| 02:07.09 | Shirik | we're now a resto druid + me + MS warrior |
| 02:07.16 | Shirik | but the name doesn't make sense anymore :( |
| 02:07.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah it doesn't |
| 02:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I take it you'll be PvP disc on the PTR though? |
| 02:09.10 | Shirik | affirmative |
| 02:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So it's not really even a duel |
| 02:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It's "run the mage oom and then wandlol" |
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| 02:12.26 | Tuller | the best 3v3 team name I've seen is <Will Smith> |
| 02:12.44 | dylanm | I like it. |
| 02:17.37 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 02:24.28 | art3mis | they evolved from giggy wit it |
| 02:24.40 | art3mis | now they're just Legend ;P |
| 02:27.35 | kd3 | whee for fark wordplay... "[Dumbass] After having a weak week, man decides to steal steel from work. Authorities rued rude behavior, had cop cop suspect. Whether weather influenced him or not, he won't be able to sell cell space in jail" |
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| 02:36.39 | Cairenn | evening Iriel |
| 02:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: lol |
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| 02:38.16 | AnduinLothar | anyone got a good guild i can transfer to? alliance. archimonde down? |
| 02:53.30 | dylanm | What happened? |
| 02:53.57 | batrick | :q |
| 02:54.00 | batrick | oops |
| 02:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I sometimes hate people. "How can I install XP on a laptop that doesn't have a CDROM, only has a floppy, and when I don't have any other computer with a hard disk in it?" |
| 02:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | s/and when/when/ |
| 02:55.43 | kd3 | the hell? what kind of laptop only has a floppy? |
| 02:56.02 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot of them, or so I'm led to believe by the people I get in this other channel of mine |
| 02:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Because that right there is the question that just about every other person has |
| 02:56.25 | AnduinLothar | dylanm: guld disbanded. officers xfered or moved to an illiden farming guild |
| 02:56.40 | Seerah | http://potw.news.yahoo.com/s/potw/61785/how-to-become-a-rock-star |
| 03:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:01 < cX-prophet> i got to install 2003 server on this computer and put a hd in the laptop then come back in here and ask some more questions |
| 03:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | NO |
| 03:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | LEAVE ME BE |
| 03:01.45 | ScytheBlade1 | YOU DON'T |
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| 03:07.06 | Iriel | The answer to the question, ScytheBlade1, is to tell them to buy a USB CD/DVD drive |
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| 03:07.23 | batrick | you gotta wonder how many people wouldn't be on the stop global warming bandwagon if polar bears weren't being fucked |
| 03:07.34 | WobWork | ... |
| 03:07.40 | batrick | i'm serious lol |
| 03:07.41 | WobWork | Is this some kinky porn I've not yet discovered? |
| 03:07.53 | dylanm | AnduinLothar: :( |
| 03:08.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: except that they don't want to spend money! NEVER! |
| 03:09.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Further USB booting CDs on laptops can be excessively painful |
| 03:09.08 | Iriel | which is probably why they have a laptop with only a floppy |
| 03:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 03:09.15 | WobWork | hehe macbook air |
| 03:09.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I needed that laugh, lol |
| 03:09.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But I also made this: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/PXEQuestionFlowChart.png |
| 03:09.28 | WobWork | external media? who needs that? |
| 03:09.37 | Iriel | I have a laptop with no optical or floppy drives, but it works like a charm with a USB CD |
| 03:10.01 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot of them can. But, it's nothing that I would place any bets on |
| 03:10.10 | Iriel | It's usually a question of age |
| 03:10.20 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_021908_200538-m.jpg |
| 03:10.22 | Iriel | A USB stick is an even dodgier proposition |
| 03:10.29 | ScytheBlade1 | True |
| 03:10.40 | Iriel | the other trick, not expensive, is to buy a $5 adapter to plug the laptop HD into a regular computer |
| 03:10.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: that is awesome |
| 03:11.25 | WobWork | Antiarc: Every time I see those npc I think "All Star J? Who is All Star J?" |
| 03:11.52 | Antiarc | Haha |
| 03:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: There are indeed several other options... but seeing as this channel is PXE focused (##pxe....), people stop in, and ask how they can install XP with PXE. |
| 03:12.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And that, in and of itself, is a big black box of voodoo. |
| 03:13.42 | WobWork | Antiarc: there I was, wondering when Adrine rerolled to a pally =P |
| 03:13.54 | Antiarc | Hahah :P |
| 03:14.00 | Antiarc | That's my guildmate's paladin |
| 03:14.04 | Antiarc | That I am two-boxing with |
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| 03:19.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: heh I like your revision number there ;) |
| 03:20.28 | WobWork | My god |
| 03:20.33 | WobWork | that's the same combination on my luggage |
| 03:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:25.26 | WobWork | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/foss-primer.html |
| 03:26.16 | kd3 | ^ highly recommended read |
| 03:27.13 | WobWork | <kd3 Stamp of Approval>*THUNK*</kd3 Stamp of Approval> |
| 03:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 03:32.48 | Iriel | So the more I play around with microsoft entourage, the more it does things I like.. |
| 03:33.11 | Iriel | I'm so used to software not working that I'm abnormally happy when stuff works right. |
| 03:35.40 | Shaktar | Iriel, would u have a few minutes to take a look at a problem I'm having? |
| 03:36.30 | Iriel | I could try |
| 03:37.20 | Shaktar | I posted a thread on the ui forum but got no reply... it involves action bars... should i give u the url of the thread? i can also summarize here |
| 03:37.27 | Iriel | give me the url please |
| 03:37.41 | Shaktar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4200514120&postId=42238365069&sid=1#1 |
| 03:37.58 | Shaktar | I hate to bother u but it's kind of got me blocked |
| 03:38.00 | Iriel | (Then you have to hope I dont say something like "oh, that thread") |
| 03:38.22 | WobWork | Iriel recalls dodgy threads by their topicID |
| 03:38.31 | WobWork | It saves him valuable mouseclicking time |
| 03:39.47 | Shaktar | the basic problem is I can't call ActionButton_UpdateFlash() directly in combat without getting taint... but before all the taint changes, I was able to call that routine fine... since I can't call it now w/o taint, when my action bar swaps pages upon a stance change, that leaves buttons either flashing or outlined |
| 03:40.42 | Shaktar | It seems like if ActionButton_UpdateFlash() is called internally upon state changes that might fix the problem? |
| 03:41.58 | Shaktar | I've made a bunch of fixes and changes to my action bar mod and this is the final issue before I post an update to my mod, everything else is working perfectly |
| 03:43.42 | Iriel | Which template are you deriving from? ActionBarButtonTemplate? |
| 03:43.47 | Shaktar | yes |
| 03:44.06 | Iriel | Well, you shouldn't be setting your own OnAttributeChanged |
| 03:44.12 | Shaktar | i'm not |
| 03:44.13 | Iriel | You're tainting the attribute ID cache |
| 03:44.24 | Iriel | Oh, post 1 implied you were |
| 03:45.02 | Iriel | Have you tried using HookScript to call JUST UpdateFlash after OnAttributeChanged fires? |
| 03:45.21 | Iriel | i.e. button:HookScript("OnAttributeChanged", MyUpdate) |
| 03:45.27 | Iriel | and removing UpdateAction from MyUpdate? |
| 03:46.30 | Shaktar | i haven't tried hook script on that... wasn't sure if that would cause taint or not.. i could try it |
| 03:46.36 | Iriel | (I suspect the perpetual flashing should be classified as a bug/flaw, but it'll be quicker to fix it.) |
| 03:46.42 | Iriel | Only _UpdateAction /should/ cause taint |
| 03:46.48 | Iriel | _UpdateFlash /shouldnt/ |
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| 03:46.52 | Iriel | But I can't promise anything 8-) |
| 03:46.56 | Iriel | That's what I'd try thoi |
| 03:47.50 | Shaktar | i'll try it but if it doesn't work... |
| 03:48.09 | Iriel | If it doesn't work then we figure out what needs to happen in blizzard's code and ask nicely 8-) |
| 03:48.41 | Shaktar | cool |
| 03:48.51 | Shaktar | ty for the help |
| 03:49.21 | Shaktar | by the way my mod's called NumPadBar :) |
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| 04:03.16 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:03.22 | Shirik | maiden down in 1 minute 28.22 seconds |
| 04:03.34 | Shirik | we so do not belong here |
| 04:05.18 | WobWork | we did Kazzak in 47 seconds =\ |
| 04:05.27 | WobWork | I wandered up, started hitting and pow |
| 04:05.30 | WobWork | it was done |
| 04:05.40 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:05.46 | |Jelly| | You have to do Kazzak fast though. :P |
| 04:06.02 | WobWork | well he didn't even get to enrage =P |
| 04:06.16 | WobWork | It was kinda disappointing =) |
| 04:06.28 | WobWork | we had more trouble in Maulgar and gruul =P |
| 04:06.36 | WobWork | not bad for a part pug |
| 04:06.51 | |Jelly| | HKM is a dick. |
| 04:06.54 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:06.58 | WobWork | but omg |
| 04:07.04 | WobWork | I got two set pieces and a helm |
| 04:07.12 | WobWork | best pug gruul ever |
| 04:07.20 | WobWork | I would have won the DST as well |
| 04:07.22 | WobWork | if I'd rolled |
| 04:07.33 | WobWork | but I figured after winning three pieces I would have been mobbed =P |
| 04:07.59 | WobWork | although it was kinda more defaulting 3 pieces almost |
| 04:32.19 | Guillotine | Anybody know the maximum loot distance? |
| 04:32.29 | batrick | i love it when morons try to talk about programming: http://archive.facepunchstudios.com/showthread/?id=334409 |
| 04:32.35 | batrick | look at post #17 it's awesome |
| 04:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, win |
| 04:33.51 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.starcraft2.com/error.xml |
| 04:34.58 | Guillotine | haha |
| 04:35.26 | batrick | anybody know if SCII will have Lua? |
| 04:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, lol |
| 04:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I download all 124MB of VMWare, start the installer |
| 04:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | And it tells me that it's already installed. |
| 04:37.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Did I win? Or did I lose? |
| 04:37.51 | batrick | epoch fail |
| 04:37.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Time will tell.. |
| 04:37.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:39.31 | WobWork | (3:37:44 PM) ScytheBlade1: Did I win? Or did I lose? |
| 04:39.33 | WobWork | Yes. |
| 04:39.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:39.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate you |
| 04:40.15 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 04:41.17 | Thrae|Work | www.virtualbox.org |
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| 04:53.53 | MentalPower | wow, thepiratebay.com has an alexa rating of 137... |
| 04:54.16 | dylanm | Its power level is off the charts. |
| 04:55.00 | MentalPower | s/.com/.org/ |
| 04:55.38 | Guillotine | hmm, virtualbox looks interesting |
| 04:55.48 | Guillotine | the only problem I have with VMs is downloading the ISOs is a PITA |
| 04:56.25 | MentalPower | batrick: negative |
| 05:00.02 | Guillotine | So I have a new math challenge today (I believe Corrodias and MP got the answers yesterday) |
| 05:01.06 | Guillotine | Identify the x coordinate of the two points closest to 0 where the graphs of sin(x) where x is in degrees and the graph of sin(x) where x is in radians both intersect the x-axis |
| 05:02.47 | MentalPower | hmm... |
| 05:03.48 | Iriel | that one's kinda cute |
| 05:05.31 | Guillotine | err, actually, that one is too easy. make those functions cos(x) instead |
| 05:06.19 | Guillotine | cos(x) is much more fun :) |
| 05:08.21 | Guillotine | Well, actually, sin(x) just needs something like mathematica, it isn't really solvable in your head |
| 05:08.27 | Iriel | Is this some kind of taylor series nastiness |
| 05:08.32 | Guillotine | no |
| 05:08.35 | Guillotine | its suprisingly easy |
| 05:08.39 | Guillotine | with basic trig |
| 05:12.02 | Guillotine | Hint: cos(degrees) repeats in intervals of 360, cos(radians) repeats in intervals of 2*pi |
| 05:12.08 | Iriel | Are you sure you're stating the problem correctly? |
| 05:12.27 | Iriel | yes but 2*pi is irrational |
| 05:12.33 | Guillotine | :) |
| 05:12.36 | Iriel | so there's no common factor. |
| 05:12.46 | Guillotine | there is one intersection |
| 05:12.54 | Guillotine | but you're right, its partly a trick question. there is no second |
| 05:13.03 | Iriel | Then it's a stupid question |
| 05:13.11 | Iriel | By asking for two points, it invalidates itself |
| 05:13.28 | Shirik | wtb |
| 05:13.33 | Guillotine | You're right, I fail :( http://xkcd.com/169/ |
| 05:13.33 | Shirik | Guillotine, who uses degrees anymore :P |
| 05:13.49 | Guillotine | there is a valid xkcd for any situation |
| 05:14.07 | Guillotine | but it is kind of interesting thinking that there is NO intersection of the 3 graphs |
| 05:14.10 | Iriel | Degrees are handy for a bunch of things |
| 05:14.18 | Guillotine | easier to work with in your head |
| 05:14.26 | Iriel | used in long/lat |
| 05:14.32 | Shirik | too hard to work with in phasors |
| 05:15.47 | Guillotine | is there any way to tell if a target is within looting distance other than using CheckInteractDistance("target",3) to get as close as possible? |
| 05:16.22 | Cidan | Who here has played FF7? |
| 05:16.40 | Iriel | We need a CVar to set the default camera pitch when flying |
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| 05:24.19 | pastamancer | Cidan: who hasn't? |
| 05:24.54 | Cidan | I put forth the question. |
| 05:25.12 | Cidan | Does Aerith know she needs to die to save the world? Does she die on purpose? |
| 05:26.18 | pastamancer | she dies to frustrate everyone who actually bothered to level her up |
| 05:26.33 | pastamancer | not that I'm bitter |
| 05:26.59 | Cidan | lol |
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| 05:33.37 | MentalPower | lua> (512^64)/(1024^3) |
| 05:33.38 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 2.3034438628061e+164 |
| 05:34.33 | MentalPower | lua> ((2^64)*512)/(1024^3) |
| 05:34.33 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 8796093022208 |
| 05:34.43 | Corrodias | let's see if Steam can update itself without crashin |
| 05:35.35 | MentalPower | lua> ((2^32)*512)/(1024^3) |
| 05:35.36 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 2048 |
| 05:35.50 | MentalPower | alright, so 2TB, cool |
| 05:36.14 | MentalPower | 2TB is the maximum volume size for NTS using 512byte clusters |
| 05:36.20 | MentalPower | 2TB is the maximum volume size for NTFS using 512byte clusters |
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| 05:40.59 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion shaunx |
| 05:41.02 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Shaunx, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (41/0/20). 8798 HP; 9488 Mana; 230 mana regen; 130 mp5; 10158 Armour; 4.20% melee crit; 250 spell crit; 25 spell hit; 755 +spell dmg; 817 +heal; 43 nature dmg (798); 4.20% dodge; 5.00% block; 101 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1584 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2f74fg ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36w43b ][ Updated: Wed Feb 20 00:50:20 2008 EST ]] |
| 05:43.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, installing OpenBSD was surprisingly painless |
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| 05:45.24 | WobWork | http://xkcd.com/349/ |
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| 05:46.03 | Archimonde | pitiful mortals |
| 05:46.15 | WobWork | jesus christ it's a shark |
| 05:46.17 | WobWork | get in the car |
| 05:46.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:47.27 | WobWork | latest xkcd is good =P |
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| 05:53.06 | WobWork | although http://community.livejournal.com/reformat_songs/8903.html?nc=21 |
| 05:53.14 | WobWork | is quite ultimately the best reformat song ever |
| 05:54.25 | WobWork | although -this- comes a close second: http://community.livejournal.com/reformat_songs/92907.html#cutid1 |
| 05:54.55 | WobWork | Someone ran Still Alive through Babelfish Eng->Jap->Eng->Jap->en->Jap->eng =P |
| 05:56.02 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 05:58.21 | Shirik | omg it rhymes |
| 05:58.23 | Shirik | Now these points of the data make the beautiful line. |
| 05:58.23 | Shirik | It is in regard to and us from beta. We released to time. |
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| 06:02.33 | WobWork | http://www.jamphat.com/rap/ |
| 06:06.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:06.27 | Shirik | those are good |
| 06:06.29 | Shirik | some I didn't get |
| 06:10.12 | WobWork | also: http://community.livejournal.com/reformat_songs/83998.html?nc=7 |
| 06:11.12 | WobWork | That one is a tough one without some brit pop culture reference |
| 06:13.18 | Shirik | http://www.jamphat.com/rap/index_files/image214.jpg Yes! |
| 06:13.31 | WobWork | and http://kinkyturtle.masemware.com/cartoons/2005/kingoftheroad.html |
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| 06:16.53 | Keias | rofl, I love those rap graphs |
| 06:17.14 | art3mis | thats pretty awesome wob |
| 06:17.25 | art3mis | but definitely a sign of WAY to much free time ;P |
| 06:20.27 | WobWork | rofl: http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm |
| 06:21.02 | WobWork | some of those are more believable than others =P |
| 06:21.08 | WobWork | I can totally hear the britney one |
| 06:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, I love OpenBSD so far |
| 06:21.34 | ScytheBlade1 | This is awesome, I might reformat my router as early as tomorrow |
| 06:22.36 | WobWork | careful |
| 06:22.41 | WobWork | You might hit that 40% |
| 06:22.46 | WobWork | and then there'll be sharks |
| 06:22.48 | WobWork | =( |
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| 06:28.41 | art3mis | bobies yay \o/ http://archiearchive.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/boobies.jpg |
| 06:28.55 | Keias | foiled |
| 06:28.59 | Keias | I've been had! |
| 06:29.04 | art3mis | err boobies |
| 06:29.09 | Guillotine | aww, wtf is up with the chastise change in the new PTR build :( |
| 06:29.23 | Guillotine | now its near useless :/ Can't use to interrupt spells any more |
| 06:29.43 | Guillotine | boo, disc priest was nerfed way too much |
| 06:29.51 | art3mis | booo |
| 06:30.03 | Kivin | too much sounds exactly right by my books |
| 06:30.03 | art3mis | thats okay we still got shadow and holy dominating ;P |
| 06:30.14 | Shirik | k I'm headed down to the school |
| 06:30.15 | Shirik | bbl |
| 06:30.16 | Kivin | disc priest tears will make my arrows fly straight and true |
| 06:30.27 | Guillotine | focused will nerfed a lot -_- and power infusion is awesome for mages and such, but will suck for warlocks and Spriests |
| 06:30.33 | art3mis | hah hunters always hve been and always will be priest food |
| 06:30.37 | art3mis | its a fact of wow life |
| 06:30.41 | art3mis | get a helmet |
| 06:31.35 | Guillotine | arcane shot owns disc priests atm -_- |
| 06:31.44 | Guillotine | if the hunter has someone mass dispelling at the beginning at least |
| 06:31.58 | Shirik|AFK | what happened to disc priest? |
| 06:32.07 | Kivin | atm my elemental shaman has more troubles with disc than my huntard does |
| 06:32.09 | Tem | Guillotine, why can't you use it to interrupt spells? |
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| 06:32.24 | Guillotine | Tem: Chastise no longer disorients the target, but now is instant cast and roots the target for 2 seconds. |
| 06:32.33 | Tem | lawl |
| 06:32.44 | Shirik|AFK | (01:29:48) (Kivin) disc priest tears will make my arrows fly straight and true |
| 06:32.47 | Shirik|AFK | what's that all about? |
| 06:33.00 | Guillotine | I better get much better PvP gear on my priest before these nerfs go through |
| 06:33.00 | art3mis | http://www.funnytshirtz.com/product%20images/general/boobies-make-me-smile-53.gif |
| 06:33.04 | Tem | oh noes, we gave a good pvp racial to alliance let's nerf it |
| 06:33.08 | Kivin | Someone mentioned that discipline is getting nerfed. This makes me feel all warm and cozy inside |
| 06:33.18 | Mesmer | quick question, is it possible to output Addon's data in different method other than savedvaraibles? |
| 06:33.24 | Shirik|AFK | I haven't heard anything about it being nerfed |
| 06:33.25 | Guillotine | no |
| 06:33.27 | Shirik|AFK | Mesmer: CVars |
| 06:33.27 | Shirik|AFK | that's it |
| 06:33.33 | art3mis | someone bitching about nerfing a racial makes me want them to die horribly ;P |
| 06:33.35 | Guillotine | Shirik: http://www.worldofraids.com/ |
| 06:33.38 | art3mis | WoTF |
| 06:33.42 | art3mis | not much else to say |
| 06:33.46 | Guillotine | - Chastise no longer disorients the target, but now is instant cast and roots the target for 2 seconds. |
| 06:33.47 | Guillotine | - Focused Will now reduces damage by 2/3/4%, down from 1/3/5%. |
| 06:33.47 | Guillotine | - Power Infusion: Infuses the target with power, increasing their spell haste by 20% for 15 seconds. |
| 06:33.57 | Shirik|AFK | that's a nerf? |
| 06:34.05 | Guillotine | yes |
| 06:34.07 | Shirik|AFK | and you had me all worried |
| 06:34.17 | Shirik|AFK | I don't even use PI enough |
| 06:34.18 | Guillotine | PI is now useless for locks :P |
| 06:34.26 | Shirik|AFK | in fact |
| 06:34.30 | Guillotine | and ruins my group's PI+Ice lance strategy |
| 06:34.33 | Shirik|AFK | I'd artgue about 80% of my games go without me using it |
| 06:34.42 | art3mis | artgue? |
| 06:34.43 | Guillotine | well, I arena with a mage |
| 06:34.48 | art3mis | is that the new term? |
| 06:34.52 | Shirik|AFK | I arena with an enhance shaman or melee times :P |
| 06:35.39 | Shirik|AFK | hm |
| 06:35.42 | Shirik|AFK | AV has a join as party |
| 06:35.46 | Shirik|AFK | but no join as raid huh |
| 06:35.56 | Shirik|AFK | interesting |
| 06:36.03 | Kivin | Might well be the same thing? |
| 06:36.12 | Tem | Guillotine, yeah... they keep nerfing the RMP combo |
| 06:36.15 | Shirik|AFK | gotta run |
| 06:36.30 | Tem | which is f'ing retarded since that's the only place mages do well in arena |
| 06:37.32 | Keias | Yeah as a mage, I hate the PI changes :( |
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| 06:50.35 | Shirik|AFK | http://youtube.com/watch?v=HVGQIkYN2uI I didn'tk now GH3 had the halo theme.... |
| 07:00.13 | MentalPower | yup, only for Xbox OFC |
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| 07:25.35 | Crysli|school | Who's awake? |
| 07:25.45 | |Jelly| | barely |
| 07:26.22 | Crysli|school | Same. And it's half past eight |
| 07:26.26 | Crysli|school | In the morning. |
| 07:27.26 | |Jelly| | I have work in the morning. It's only 1.30 here though. |
| 07:28.18 | Cairenn | 2:30 here |
| 07:28.40 | kd3 | I'm up. in the middle of a kara run |
| 07:29.04 | Shirik|Ecole | psh |
| 07:29.08 | Shirik|Ecole | 2:30 is time to go to school |
| 07:29.10 | Shirik|Ecole | what is wrong with you people |
| 07:29.20 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:29.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I have to fill out an OTS and hopefully finish the postmortem of a project I've been working on for the last month today |
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| 07:31.17 | |Jelly| | I was denied a kara spot because they wanted to fill it with mains. Note: three alts are in right now and I've been online the whole time. |
| 07:31.42 | Crysli|school | Poor Jelly. |
| 07:31.42 | |Jelly| | I just finished an essay bitching about the leadership of the guild because this shit happens all the time. :-\ |
| 07:31.45 | Crysli|school | I'm at school. Our English teacher decided it would be good for us to write letters to some school in Canada. I decided to go on IRC while I write. |
| 07:31.57 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 07:32.37 | Crysli|school | Apparently ninthgraders from Canada are bad at spelling. I can't understand half of what's in the eltter I just got. |
| 07:32.47 | Crysli|school | And apparently I'm bad at spelling too. |
| 07:34.16 | |Jelly| | You could have been forced to write to a school in the US. :P |
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| 07:35.22 | Crysli|school | Would've been more fun. |
| 07:38.23 | Tem | "like such as and....." |
| 07:39.41 | Crysli|school | It's hard to find stuff to talk about. Seems like all this one does is snowmobile and ride her dirtbike. |
| 07:39.54 | |Jelly| | Make her play WoW. |
| 07:39.57 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.35 | Crysli|school | Maaaaaaaaake. |
| 07:41.47 | Crysli|school | I don't think my words have as much weight on paper as on IRC. |
| 07:42.04 | Crysli|school | "And by the way, play World of Warcraft. Now." |
| 07:42.07 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 07:42.46 | Crysli|school | "Sincerely, Crysli" |
| 07:42.47 | |Jelly| | There's no "And by the way" about it. It's simply "When you leave school today, go knock over a liquor store for the money for Battle Chest and play WoW. I expect level 20 by tomorrow. |
| 07:43.12 | Crysli|school | Lol |
| 07:43.47 | Crysli|school | "If you don't have all greens by Friday I'm going to come to Canada and take your snowmobile." |
| 07:44.52 | |Jelly| | 70 by the end of the month or I'm also going to take your dirtbike and take it apart in front of you./ |
| 07:45.10 | |Jelly| | I did that to one of my roomie's kids. He was being a bastard so I took his bike apart, kept one part and left it in the garage. |
| 07:45.44 | Crysli|school | DId he cry? |
| 07:45.51 | |Jelly| | Like a little bitch. |
| 07:46.03 | |Jelly| | But he wasn't a bastard anymore either. The end justifies the means imo. |
| 07:46.37 | Crysli|school | Gotta say, that's an effective way of making kids behave. |
| 07:47.15 | |Jelly| | Considering all the punishment that I was raised with could land you in jail, you have to resort to ... different means. |
| 07:47.25 | Tem | A mailbox? Well is that not the salt on the wounds! Twnty years cut-ff from the world and now a mailbox! WONDERFUL! |
| 07:47.26 | |Jelly| | s/means/methods/ |
| 07:47.27 | Tem | <3 |
| 07:48.23 | Crysli|school | Hehehe. I only remember getting a spanking once. |
| 07:48.37 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl, I like this sample test case |
| 07:48.45 | Shirik|Ecole | "Enter various bad data" -> "Error messages" |
| 07:48.49 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf kind of test case is that |
| 07:49.12 | MentalPower | nice |
| 07:49.19 | |Jelly| | I remember the different things I was beat with, up to and including a water hose end (yes, the metal part); a grill spatula (the long metal ones); a metal studded belt; etc. |
| 07:49.29 | |Jelly| | Granted, I could really be a little shit too. |
| 07:49.38 | Elkano | ZealotOnAStick: ping? |
| 07:49.47 | MentalPower | metal studded belt, wow |
| 07:49.49 | |Jelly| | ...and most of those were those instances where your parents are looking around for whatever's handy. lol |
| 07:50.06 | Crysli|school | ...Wow. WHat the hell had you been doing? |
| 07:50.21 | |Jelly| | A little of this, a little of that. |
| 07:50.32 | Cairenn | |Jelly|: O.O |
| 07:50.38 | Cairenn | that's ... excessive .... |
| 07:50.56 | |Jelly| | And to make things completely clear, I didn't drink until I was 20 and have never done an illegal drug (knowingly) in my life. :P |
| 07:51.34 | |Jelly| | Lets just say that my parents really relied on "spare the rod; spoil the child" down here in the bible belt's buckle. hehe |
| 07:51.36 | Cairenn | 3 swats, hand only, clothing still on, after anger passed |
| 07:51.44 | |Jelly| | WTB? |
| 07:51.48 | Crysli|school | Yeah, it's good to see that you've become such a well-balanced person. |
| 07:51.56 | |Jelly| | If I moved, I got it up the back and down the legs. :P |
| 07:52.28 | |Jelly| | It's my job. I have to be nice all day so it really just comes out in violent spirts, usually on the forums or at morons in game. |
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| 07:53.25 | Crysli|school | As someone who's only posting on the EU forums and therefore not experiencing your wrath up close, I must say you're going a great job. |
| 07:53.44 | |Jelly| | *shrug* I haven't really been on the forums lately. |
| 07:53.55 | |Jelly| | RL drama and all. |
| 07:54.09 | Crysli|school | Better than web drama? |
| 07:54.18 | Shirik|Ecole | web drama ftw |
| 07:54.18 | |Jelly| | Oh. I have that too. |
| 07:54.27 | Shirik|Ecole | !vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 07:54.30 | Crysli|school | Class is over. |
| 07:54.35 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik|Ecole: Kimina vs Jelly! Two 70 priests square off!; 20/41/0 vs 43/18/0; Kimina wins by 113 TBRs! |
| 07:54.38 | Shirik|Ecole | I r winzor |
| 07:54.39 | Crysli|school | School play time now-.- |
| 07:54.41 | Shirik|Ecole | drama drama |
| 07:54.46 | Shirik|Ecole | See, drama is fun |
| 07:54.53 | MentalPower | !vs us alleria mentak us alleria sarox |
| 07:54.58 | WoWLuaircBot | MentalPower: Mentak vs Sarox! A L61 priest and a L61 rogue square off!; 11/0/41 vs 5/15/32; Sarox wins by 165 TBRs! |
| 07:55.08 | MentalPower | bah... |
| 07:55.16 | MentalPower | thats so not true |
| 07:55.26 | MentalPower | I whip his ass daily |
| 07:55.42 | KarlKFI | wtb good alliance guild |
| 07:56.01 | Shirik|Ecole | Okay I just filled out this OTS, and I think I hit all my test cases in a single scenario |
| 07:56.03 | Shirik|Ecole | do you think that's ok? |
| 07:56.19 | Shirik|Ecole | There's no real reason to "restart" the program >.> |
| 07:56.37 | Shirik|Ecole | So I just did everything all at once >< |
| 07:57.55 | |Jelly| | so my bow dropped. |
| 07:57.57 | |Jelly| | wonderful |
| 07:57.59 | |Jelly| | assholes. |
| 07:58.19 | art3mis | shirik do you actually ever do anything thats "outside" fun? |
| 07:58.58 | art3mis | cuz near as i can tell your day is wakeup(if you went to sleep) go to school(get on irc) go home(get on irc) possibly sleep |
| 07:59.13 | art3mis | by outside i mean not computer related ;P |
| 07:59.37 | Shirik|Ecole | um |
| 07:59.42 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 07:59.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I play DDR! |
| 07:59.53 | art3mis | laugh |
| 08:00.00 | Shirik|Ecole | that's about it |
| 08:00.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I have fun coding. Kinda sad, really |
| 08:00.11 | art3mis | i mean i admire the commitment and all but really.... |
| 08:00.13 | art3mis | heh |
| 08:00.32 | art3mis | nah being nerdy is fine as long as you go to some friends basement to play d&d once in a while ;P |
| 08:00.42 | Shirik|Ecole | You want me to be honest? |
| 08:00.46 | art3mis | or o bowling like the great lebowski |
| 08:00.48 | Shirik|Ecole | Not once have I played d&d |
| 08:00.52 | art3mis | GASP! |
| 08:01.03 | art3mis | well you're at school |
| 08:01.11 | art3mis | it shouldnt be too hard to find a group heh |
| 08:01.22 | art3mis | just avoid the larpers |
| 08:01.26 | art3mis | they're just creepy |
| 08:01.43 | Shirik|Ecole | actually there's this group that plays in the UC every so often |
| 08:01.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I think |
| 08:01.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't really know how to play so I can't be sure, but I think they are |
| 08:01.56 | art3mis | you should go play |
| 08:02.00 | art3mis | you'd love it |
| 08:02.10 | art3mis | based on all the math crap you enjoy |
| 08:02.21 | art3mis | 3rd edition ad&d is very umm |
| 08:02.25 | art3mis | mathy ;P |
| 08:02.39 | Shirik|Ecole | is that a word? |
| 08:02.42 | art3mis | plus if yer dm doesnt suck it's a blast |
| 08:02.45 | art3mis | yes |
| 08:02.50 | art3mis | mathy is totally a word |
| 08:03.53 | MentalPower | gnight all |
| 08:03.59 | Shirik|Ecole | I love how security gets mad at me for being in this room at 3 AM |
| 08:04.02 | art3mis | bi bi shortbus! |
| 08:04.12 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|Zzzz |
| 08:04.18 | art3mis | Shirik|Ecole: its cuz you're making them walk up stairs to check on you ;P |
| 08:04.20 | Tierrie | jason jason he's out man |
| 08:04.21 | Shirik|Ecole | it's always the student officers that just twist the knob to make sure the door's locked |
| 08:04.26 | Tierrie | our |
| 08:04.28 | Shirik|Ecole | then the old guys actually come in and check my ID and everything |
| 08:04.31 | Tierrie | i should not be a cheerleader |
| 08:04.31 | Shirik|Ecole | amusing |
| 08:04.37 | art3mis | no, no you shouldnt |
| 08:05.03 | Tierrie | lol heya man |
| 08:05.07 | Shirik|Ecole | hi Tierrie |
| 08:05.10 | art3mis | hi! |
| 08:05.11 | Tierrie | can you believe its mid feb and i haven't finished processing my NY photos |
| 08:05.15 | Tierrie | yo yo Shirik |
| 08:05.21 | art3mis | you took 140000 of them |
| 08:05.27 | art3mis | it's not that hard to believe ;P |
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| 08:05.49 | art3mis | heh a picture replica of a walking tour of nyc |
| 08:05.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, for those of you who care. Because they snuck in countless class changes into the patch notes on the website, without pushing a new client build... |
| 08:06.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ... I setup an automated nightly diff of the notes on the website. |
| 08:06.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and it's not pasting in here |
| 08:06.18 | art3mis | snekay sneaky |
| 08:06.26 | Tierrie | haha thanks jason, first upbeat comment in 1.5 months about my phooootos |
| 08:06.35 | kd3 | nice. need to run something like that myself |
| 08:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 08:06.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It's set to auto upload too |
| 08:06.43 | kd3 | got the latest push of stuff on the wiki already, though |
| 08:07.04 | art3mis | who poop rast! |
| 08:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So it'll be on http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/PTR/patchnotes/ |
| 08:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Note that nothing is there currently... because they didn't change within the last 30 minutes. ;) |
| 08:08.02 | Tierrie | hey have you seen this one? |
| 08:08.04 | Tierrie | http://youtube.com/watch?v=lugUd7fIx8Q |
| 08:09.06 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah. For those who are interested, I'm doing nightly diffs of the PTR patchnotes and uploading them (should anything change!) to the above URL. |
| 08:10.29 | Cairenn | night ScytheBlade1 |
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| 08:19.04 | Tierrie | did they announce the date for blizzcon this year yet? |
| 08:19.16 | Shirik|Ecole | Isn't it every 2 years? |
| 08:19.30 | Tierrie | i don't think 2 occasions is enough to set a solid precedence |
| 08:19.41 | Cairenn | they've never said whether it's annual or bi-annual |
| 08:20.01 | Tierrie | haya sexy! |
| 08:20.02 | Tierrie | rawr |
| 08:20.06 | Cairenn | don't think anyone's heard anything though, about whether there's one this year or not |
| 08:20.08 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:20.12 | Cairenn | hey Tierrie :) |
| 08:20.14 | Tierrie | are you still with your husband or can i hit on you now? |
| 08:20.41 | Cairenn | I'm still with my hubby, and you could hit on me all along ;-) |
| 08:20.48 | Tierrie | roger that madam |
| 08:20.52 | Tierrie | commencing hitting |
| 08:20.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:20.57 | Tierrie | haha jk jk |
| 08:21.00 | kd3 | I lol'd |
| 08:21.08 | clad|away | Tierrie: they're having the con in Europe this year too, which is interesting |
| 08:21.19 | clad|away | s/the/a/ |
| 08:21.21 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 08:21.22 | clad|away | haha |
| 08:21.41 | Tierrie | haha clad |
| 08:21.49 | Tierrie | ay are?! |
| 08:21.50 | Tierrie | they are? why should the dirty europeans have fun? as i recalled, the last time there was a party in europe, world war 2 happened |
| 08:22.05 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 08:22.08 | clad|away | :P |
| 08:22.48 | clad|away | bah |
| 08:22.52 | clad|away | my first race is today |
| 08:22.53 | clad|away | !! |
| 08:23.05 | Tierrie | "hay germany pushed me" "lol push back poland" "i kant.. halp!" "ze germanz is pushing me too! halps ve surrenders" |
| 08:23.17 | Tierrie | what race? |
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| 08:25.01 | Cairenn | good luck clad|away! |
| 08:26.08 | clad|away | i'll have tom take pictures |
| 08:26.19 | Cairenn | he better! |
| 08:26.19 | clad|away | for now, i shall go to breffast! |
| 08:26.26 | Cairenn | fuel up! |
| 08:26.34 | Cairenn | Tierrie: he's on the row team |
| 08:26.57 | clad|away | aye, sorry.. I row for my college at Oxford |
| 08:27.04 | clad|away | this week is Torpids, the first bumps racing of the year |
| 08:27.33 | Elkano | clad, are you going to row against Camebridge? |
| 08:27.43 | clad|away | no, that's the Varsity match |
| 08:27.49 | clad|away | this is against the other colleges at Oxford |
| 08:28.03 | clad|away | There's over 80 mens boats registered |
| 08:29.07 | clad|away | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumps_race |
| 08:30.20 | clad|away | ah well off to breakfast and class |
| 08:30.25 | clad|away | bye :P |
| 08:30.30 | Cairenn | bye hotstuff |
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| 08:39.12 | Shirik|Ecole | You know, the #1 thing I hate about IDEs that compile while you type is its insisting to compile when you're obviously not done |
| 08:39.28 | Shirik|Ecole | and then underline tons of errors and warnings because either the line didn't make sense or you left a variable "unused" or something |
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| 08:58.38 | Shirik|Ecole | quote of the week http://erau-ieee.cold-coding.com/ |
| 08:58.48 | Shirik|Ecole | yes, that is our entire website, but Andrew felt it necessary to post it because it was that awesome |
| 09:07.37 | Tem | oh my fricking god |
| 09:07.41 | Tem | <3 Audiosurf |
| 09:08.07 | Shirik|Ecole | here Tem you might get a kick out of this |
| 09:08.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm working on a project that my school is paying me for. Do you think I should leave in this documentation? |
| 09:08.27 | Tem | WARNING: variable unsed locally |
| 09:09.59 | Shirik|Ecole | http://wowi.pastey.net/82670-1s6k |
| 09:10.14 | Shirik|Ecole | except I should spell initializes correctly |
| 09:10.49 | Tem | wtf is that? |
| 09:11.49 | Shirik|Ecole | that is one hell of a function |
| 09:11.52 | Shirik|Ecole | that I have to duplicate |
| 09:12.02 | Tem | hmm |
| 09:12.06 | Tem | I just bought audiosurf |
| 09:12.09 | Shirik|Ecole | I have no clue what it does, so I'm just going to do what it's supposed to do (transmit the parameters over a serial line, and call it on the other side) |
| 09:12.13 | Tem | but it's not registering that I bought it |
| 09:12.15 | Kalroth | Shirik|Ecole: You should rename the ini parameters to param1..param8 |
| 09:12.19 | Shirik|Ecole | and they can figure out wtf it does |
| 09:12.19 | Tem | and still bitching at me |
| 09:12.42 | Tem | but Shirik|Ecole you don't even do that much |
| 09:13.01 | Shirik|Ecole | I pretty much don't do anything :) I just build a little packet and transmit it |
| 09:13.18 | Shirik|Ecole | though the 4-byte numbers are a pita to transmit |
| 09:13.37 | Tem | but you don't even transmit it? |
| 09:13.51 | Kalroth | Do you even construct the packets yourself?! |
| 09:13.52 | Shirik|Ecole | well, not yet :P |
| 09:13.59 | Shirik|Ecole | I haven't gotten to the implementation yet |
| 09:14.02 | Shirik|Ecole | I just did the comments |
| 09:14.14 | Shirik|Ecole | yes I construct the packets myself >< |
| 09:14.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I designed the protocol, all that jazz |
| 09:15.04 | Tem | oh |
| 09:15.06 | Tem | okay |
| 09:15.13 | Tem | the yes, leave that documentation |
| 09:17.18 | Kalroth | You should include a reference to Tem though |
| 09:17.24 | Kalroth | Since you just asked for his advice. |
| 09:17.27 | Shirik|Ecole | @see Tem |
| 09:17.42 | Shirik|Ecole | I think Javadoc will get pissed at that |
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| 09:45.27 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, headed back home |
| 09:45.28 | Shirik|Ecole | bbiab |
| 09:45.33 | Shirik|Ecole | Cairenn, ffs, go to sleep |
| 09:45.41 | Cairenn | :) |
| 09:45.49 | Shirik|Ecole | it's 5AM... |
| 09:46.01 | Cairenn | I know |
| 09:46.02 | Industrial | 1:47, in class |
| 09:46.06 | Industrial | 10:47* |
| 10:01.29 | Shirik|AFK | night all |
| 10:01.34 | Shirik|AFK | not that I won't be up in 3 hours, lol |
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| 10:47.03 | Wobin | oo |
| 10:47.04 | Wobin | new wine |
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| 10:59.32 | Hobinheim | anyone awake to talk about subversion strategy? |
| 11:01.20 | Wobin | Well first you seize the minds of the children |
| 11:01.27 | Wobin | Then the rest of the population will follow |
| 11:01.32 | Hobinheim | Subversion, not subversion |
| 11:01.34 | Hobinheim | :( |
| 11:01.46 | Wobin | =\ |
| 11:01.51 | Wobin | Sure! |
| 11:01.54 | Wobin | ... |
| 11:01.56 | Wobin | Damnit |
| 11:02.17 | Hobinheim | Wobin: do you develop? |
| 11:03.13 | Wobin | I do =) |
| 11:03.34 | Hobinheim | i was going to ask about branching strategy concerning 2.3 and 2.4 but i guess i answered my own question |
| 11:03.47 | Hobinheim | i'm just going to branch off of the trunk, make that 2.4, and call the branch 2.3 |
| 11:04.31 | Wobin | not the other way around? |
| 11:04.45 | Wobin | I guess it depends on which you consider 'live' |
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| 11:14.42 | Hobinheim | if 2.4 was a branch, then it would have to be merged back into the trunk when 2.3 is gone |
| 11:14.45 | Hobinheim | which is bleh |
| 11:15.42 | Wobin | well, yes that's true |
| 11:15.54 | Wobin | or you could just replace it =P |
| 11:31.58 | Tem | 2.4 /should/ be a branch because files pulls from trunk |
| 11:32.18 | Tem | even though trunk shouldn't be a release platform, it is right now |
| 11:32.34 | Tem | so, when you can treat it as such, you should |
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| 11:38.00 | [Ammo] | Tem: dpeends if Hobinheim is talking about the wowace svn or not |
| 11:38.28 | Tem | true |
| 11:39.01 | Tem | if it were in my svn, I'd probably branch to hold 2.3 and keep 2.4 in trunk |
| 11:39.11 | Tem | _unless_ 2.4 was a big change |
| 11:39.15 | Tem | then I'd probably branch |
| 11:40.15 | Elkano | Hobinheim, since files packs data from trunk that version should run with the current released WoW; so you would branch to develop for 2.4 and once that hits the server you can tag trunk as 2.3 if you want and merge 2.4 changes back to trunk |
| 11:40.38 | Elkano | at least if your changes for 2.4 will make things break on 2.3 |
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| 11:46.00 | [Ammo] | Elkano: again, that is only if he uses wowace svn :p |
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| 11:47.26 | Elkano | exactly |
| 11:47.48 | Elkano | oh... right, this is the wowi channel ^^' |
| 11:48.38 | Tem | yeah, Elkano, I made the same mistake |
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| 12:31.56 | Hobinheim | ty =) |
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| 12:33.17 | Kaso | today's xkcd is awesome |
| 12:33.29 | Fin | they're all awesome :) |
| 12:39.07 | Fin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4665457935&sid=1 |
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| 12:58.09 | Maldivia | any shaman here ? |
| 13:00.11 | [dRaCo] | ya |
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| 14:06.55 | Maldivia | [dRaCo]: when summoning fire and earth elementals, are you in control of them, or do they just act on their own? |
| 14:07.17 | [dRaCo] | totally on their own |
| 14:07.37 | [dRaCo] | which makes them pretty useless when there's CC around, yes |
| 14:07.49 | Maldivia | on their tooltop, does it say "draco's guardian" or something? |
| 14:08.12 | [dRaCo] | no, it says "Fire Elemental Totem's Guardian" |
| 14:08.18 | Maldivia | yeah, figured |
| 14:08.27 | Maldivia | which is also why they don't figure as yours in the new combat log events |
| 14:08.36 | [dRaCo] | yep |
| 14:08.39 | Maldivia | but as a friendly outsider |
| 14:10.09 | Maldivia | meaning, it's impossible to add elementals damage to your damage (without fancy logic) |
| 14:10.17 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
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| 14:12.27 | [dRaCo] | you could do something like addig the damage of all elementals and divide it by the number of shamans in the raid, but that's assuming every shaman drops his totem on CD |
| 14:14.19 | Maldivia | or just, when shaman drosp his totem, first new guid for an elementals is contributed to the shaman |
| 14:14.41 | [dRaCo] | yeah, might work in most cases, too |
| 14:17.28 | Wobin | Or have it take screenshots of each elemental |
| 14:17.35 | Wobin | and at the end of the battle post them in squares |
| 14:17.41 | Wobin | and ask the shammies to id their own kid =P |
| 14:18.20 | Wobin | PS I hate the fire totems when I'm trying to trap a mob =P |
| 14:18.31 | [dRaCo] | you'd have to add some of those police ID signs |
| 14:18.42 | Wobin | why can't they act like any other pet and not attack CC'd mobs =P |
| 14:18.55 | Wobin | 10ft -------------------- |
| 14:19.09 | [dRaCo] | why can't we just get a pet bar? :/ |
| 14:19.12 | Wobin | with the GUID |
| 14:19.25 | Wobin | well you get a totem bar |
| 14:19.33 | Wobin | is it next patch or wotlk? |
| 14:19.41 | [dRaCo] | next patch |
| 14:19.45 | [dRaCo] | but who care? |
| 14:19.48 | [dRaCo] | *cares |
| 14:20.02 | [dRaCo] | I've got a totem bar already and it works fine |
| 14:20.07 | acemo | can u check with a macro if youre current target is undead? |
| 14:20.40 | [dRaCo] | don't think so |
| 14:20.58 | acemo | too bad.. |
| 14:21.30 | acemo | i want to use 1 button for casting flash heal or shackle undead depending if target is friendly or undead |
| 14:21.43 | Wobin | Holy Shock imo =P |
| 14:21.56 | [dRaCo] | just check if the target is friendly, acemo |
| 14:21.56 | Wobin | well you can work on friendly/unfriendly |
| 14:22.23 | [dRaCo] | /cast [harm] shackle undead, flash heal |
| 14:22.25 | acemo | true.. if its unfriendly it will try to cast shackle undead but fail =) |
| 14:22.27 | acemo | thanks <3 |
| 14:25.13 | Bela|work | the next patch has api built in to get the owner of a totem |
| 14:25.17 | Bela|work | btw |
| 14:25.26 | Bela|work | its part of the totem bar change |
| 14:25.30 | [dRaCo] | ya |
| 14:26.24 | [dRaCo] | but that still won't make it possible to identify elementals |
| 14:26.26 | Bela|work | has anyone looked at the bitflags for a shaman elemental yet to see if it identifies the owner that way? |
| 14:26.31 | Bela|work | it very possibly could |
| 14:26.51 | [dRaCo] | only if they changed the elementals, too |
| 14:26.58 | Bela|work | why? |
| 14:27.10 | Bela|work | they weren't exposing the unique id of npc / mobs before |
| 14:27.12 | Bela|work | now they are |
| 14:27.21 | Bela|work | its worth a check at least |
| 14:27.43 | [dRaCo] | it sure is |
| 14:27.58 | acemo | #show Flash Heal <- this should display the flash heal tooltip? |
| 14:28.14 | [dRaCo] | that'll only show the icon |
| 14:28.26 | [dRaCo] | #showtooltip is what you're looking for |
| 14:28.37 | Bela|work | and even if it doesn't identify the player who owns it, the event in which the totem spawns the elemental should tie the unique id of the elemental to taht totem |
| 14:28.44 | Bela|work | and you can already get the owner of a totem |
| 14:28.47 | Bela|work | sooo..... |
| 14:29.11 | [dRaCo] | somebody should look into that, would be greta |
| 14:29.14 | [dRaCo] | *great |
| 14:29.16 | Bela|work | by proxy you should be able to identify the owner of an elemental if it can't be directly inferred |
| 14:29.21 | Wobin | not helga? =\ |
| 14:30.03 | ralfWORK | hmm |
| 14:30.25 | ralfWORK | so what's everyone's guess on when 2.4 is released? |
| 14:30.27 | Bela|work | I can see wws becoming a mess after 2.4 |
| 14:30.36 | Bela|work | the actors page will likely be full of shaman elementals |
| 14:30.41 | Bela|work | since each spawn is a new uid |
| 14:31.12 | Bela|work | goees for any other pets that get summoned numerous times |
| 14:31.16 | Wobin | Divers Alarums: |
| 14:31.20 | Wobin | * Many Elementals |
| 14:31.37 | Wobin | (Or the same elemental passing the camera many times) |
| 14:31.43 | Bela|work | lol |
| 14:31.50 | Maldivia | Bela|work: greater fire elemental: 0x2218 |
| 14:31.58 | Bela|work | nice |
| 14:32.18 | Maldivia | Bela|work: so outsider, friendly, npc guardian |
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| 14:32.43 | Bela|work | did you get the log event for the spawn? |
| 14:32.48 | Bela|work | does it reference the totem at all? |
| 14:33.23 | [dRaCo] | iirc, there's no log event for totem spawns |
| 14:33.24 | Bela|work | obviously the totem is the actual "pet" of the shaman, and is an npc, and the shaman is a guardian of that totem |
| 14:33.31 | Maldivia | only have a cut from the log, I'll poke the creator when he/she logs on |
| 14:33.42 | Bela|work | I have a shaman, I can run it |
| 14:34.09 | Maldivia | but could be nice, if the elemental could be contributed the player and not the totem :| |
| 14:34.25 | Wobin | "Man, you got outdps'd by a totem =(" |
| 14:35.13 | [dRaCo] | at least I now get my searing totem's dps accounted |
| 14:37.26 | Bela|work | if it can't, we will need to make that suggestion |
| 14:37.52 | acemo | [dRaCo]: u almost made me wipe the raid with this macro /cast [harm] Shackle Undead, Flash Heal |
| 14:38.11 | Maldivia | heheh |
| 14:38.13 | acemo | [dRaCo]: it doesnt cast either spell |
| 14:38.19 | [dRaCo] | was just guessing, test stuff before you use it in raids. |
| 14:38.25 | Maldivia | you need to use ; instead of , |
| 14:38.43 | acemo | am already in raid when i started with the macroing stuff now :p |
| 14:39.04 | [dRaCo] | anyway, don't blame me for your laziness :P |
| 14:40.07 | [dRaCo] | and I'm sorry I didn't press my shift key |
| 14:40.44 | acemo | [dRaCo]: dont worrie i still love you <3 |
| 14:40.49 | [dRaCo] | =) |
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| 14:48.38 | Bela|work | confirmed, combat log has no spawn event from totem to elemental |
| 14:48.59 | Bela|work | now I am checking the bit flags to see if the owner can be inferred |
| 14:49.27 | Tem | Bela|work, it's probably the same as mage pets |
| 14:49.34 | Tem | if all shamans submit a log, you can tell |
| 14:49.51 | Tem | the bitflags will have a MINE |
| 14:50.41 | Bela|work | thats the thing Tem |
| 14:50.47 | Bela|work | the elemental is owned by the titem |
| 14:50.48 | Bela|work | totem |
| 14:50.52 | Tem | oh hell |
| 14:50.53 | Bela|work | not the shaman |
| 14:51.09 | Bela|work | we can get the owner of the totem though |
| 14:51.13 | Bela|work | so I am hoping it can be linked |
| 14:51.20 | Tem | how? |
| 14:51.23 | deltron | yeah |
| 14:51.29 | Bela|work | GetTotemOwner I believe |
| 14:51.35 | Bela|work | can't remember the exact api |
| 14:51.40 | Bela|work | its new in 2.4 |
| 14:51.57 | Tem | what's the arg for that? |
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| 14:53.49 | Bela|work | here is the log if you wondered, and wanted to help figure it out |
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| 14:53.52 | Bela|work | http://wow.pastey.net/82676 |
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| 15:14.24 | Bela|work | ok according to my log, the totem plant doesn't show in the combat log, nor does the spawning of the elemental from the totem |
| 15:14.34 | Bela|work | you would have to get both via subsequent attacks |
| 15:14.52 | Bela|work | the totem is 0x2111 (mine, friendly, player controlled, guardian) |
| 15:15.11 | Tem | and the elemental? |
| 15:15.19 | Bela|work | the elemental is 0x2218 (outsider, friendly, npc controlled, guardian) |
| 15:15.31 | Bela|work | the problem now is tying the elemental to the totem |
| 15:15.32 | Tem | weak |
| 15:15.58 | Bela|work | I did notice the uid of both the totem and the elemental were VERY similar, but I dont think that can be relied on |
| 15:16.23 | Bela|work | I am going to post something in the suggestions forum about it |
| 15:17.36 | Maldivia | Bela|work: problem is, in a lot of situations, you'll never see the totem in the log |
| 15:18.17 | Bela|work | yup |
| 15:18.22 | Bela|work | if nothing hits it |
| 15:18.25 | Bela|work | it wont show |
| 15:18.36 | Bela|work | if it pulses |
| 15:18.36 | Bela|work | it will I think |
| 15:18.40 | Bela|work | (not positive) |
| 15:18.42 | Cide | isn't that the same for water elementals? |
| 15:18.46 | kergoth | http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 15:18.48 | Maldivia | a spawn even would be nice, with owner and pet |
| 15:18.51 | Maldivia | event* |
| 15:18.57 | Bela|work | that is what I am suggesting |
| 15:19.02 | Maldivia | so it would read player spawns totem |
| 15:19.05 | Bela|work | a spawn event for pets |
| 15:19.06 | Maldivia | totem spawns elemental |
| 15:19.14 | Bela|work | that would cover both totem and elemental |
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| 15:19.18 | Bela|work | as well as the water elemental |
| 15:19.57 | Maldivia | would also give everyone access to ownership, and now just the owner him/herself |
| 15:20.24 | Bela|work | yup |
| 15:20.36 | Maldivia | although, I'm not looking forward to the "player steps on snake trap" event storm :9 |
| 15:20.37 | Bela|work | although wouldn't the owner of a water elemental be available via the spellcast event? |
| 15:20.56 | Bela|work | err nm |
| 15:20.59 | Maldivia | it's instant cast |
| 15:21.11 | Bela|work | it wouldn't since it would show teh spell, but not the guid of the elemental created from the spell |
| 15:21.22 | Bela|work | which is where our problem is |
| 15:24.29 | Maldivia | currently, the way to get ownership, would be to monitor for known "pet/guardian spawn" spells, and then look for new guids following that event |
| 15:24.45 | Bela|work | which is kind of fuzzy |
| 15:24.59 | Maldivia | very fuzzy |
| 15:25.32 | Maldivia | hmm, snakes from a snake trap, are they guardians of the trap or the hunter? |
| 15:26.12 | Bela|work | interesting to see |
| 15:26.17 | Bela|work | but I would venture a guess and say trap |
| 15:26.28 | Bela|work | so teh same rule would apply for that as a totem |
| 15:26.54 | Maldivia | are there other spell with a "middle man" ? |
| 15:27.11 | Bela|work | that spawn a unit? |
| 15:27.34 | Maldivia | yeah - player spells that is (probably a ton of quest spells) |
| 15:27.54 | Bela|work | I mean shamans only have two totems that spawn an additional unit |
| 15:28.04 | Bela|work | then there are hunter snames |
| 15:28.08 | Bela|work | snakes* |
| 15:28.19 | Bela|work | can't thik of any others, the rest are all spawned directly from the player |
| 15:28.45 | Maldivia | spawned directly from the player... sounds so evil, heh :) |
| 15:28.57 | Bela|work | shamans obviously have totems that cast spells (buffs, pulse effects) but that should be fine under the current system with the 0x2111 flag |
| 15:29.23 | Maldivia | yeah, only checked the searing totem, and it has 2111 |
| 15:29.38 | Bela|work | all totems should have that flag |
| 15:29.59 | Maldivia | yeah, figured - but my shaman is only level 15, so kind of limited what I have access to :) |
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| 15:51.17 | art3mis | they should add in pranks |
| 15:51.25 | ralfWORK | ? |
| 15:51.27 | art3mis | like cans you can make and out pop snakes |
| 15:51.53 | ralfWORK | like the test dummies you can make doing engineering? |
| 15:52.25 | art3mis | freeze traps over doors, nitro snappers, foodthat makes it so you can cast briefly |
| 15:52.29 | art3mis | yadda yadda yadda |
| 15:53.04 | ralfWORK | anyone have a hint as to when 2.4 will come out? |
| 15:53.17 | art3mis | when it's ready ;) |
| 15:53.19 | ralfWORK | I don't know how long PTR is usually up before they release stuff :( |
| 15:53.39 | ralfWORK | yea yea funny |
| 15:53.49 | ralfWORK | just wondering if it's more like weeks or more like months |
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| 15:54.30 | ralfWORK | cause yes, I really have no clue :) |
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| 15:55.50 | ralfWORK | ah well |
| 15:55.55 | ralfWORK | no one knows |
| 15:56.00 | ralfWORK | and that makes me a sad panda |
| 15:58.09 | Bela|work | ugh |
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| 15:58.44 | Bela|work | ralfWORK: there are two thigns to think about when inferring a release date |
| 15:59.07 | Bela|work | 1) we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, this is the first time they have gone with a phased release schedule for changes on the ptr |
| 15:59.28 | Bela|work | so there are likely many more unannounced changes still to be put out and tested |
| 15:59.30 | ralfWORK | mm. right, didn't think of that |
| 15:59.33 | Bela|work | and 2) this is a HUGE change |
| 15:59.37 | Bela|work | already |
| 15:59.43 | ralfWORK | sure |
| 15:59.56 | Bela|work | so while I can't say WHEN it will come out, I am willing to bet 2 months, average |
| 16:00.16 | ralfWORK | I haven't tracked other patches and their timeline, so I don't have a clue; which is all I was asking about |
| 16:00.22 | ralfWORK | k gotcha |
| 16:00.30 | Bela|work | wdnaddons.com will give you an idea |
| 16:01.01 | ralfWORK | like I don't know if in the past, even the most miniscule changes took 6mo of testing |
| 16:01.10 | Bela|work | 2.2 was from July until September |
| 16:01.13 | ralfWORK | or if the most difficult ones were as short as 1 week and they released it |
| 16:01.15 | Fin | hmm |
| 16:01.18 | Bela|work | if that gives you any kind of benchmark |
| 16:01.27 | ralfWORK | hmm... ok |
| 16:01.27 | Fin | 25 spirit, or 8 mp5? I'd say 8 mp5 but I'm not convinced |
| 16:01.33 | Fin | (for a healy priest) |
| 16:01.36 | ralfWORK | trying to recall what 2.2 brought |
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| 16:01.51 | ralfWORK | Fin: I'm a fan of spirit, myself |
| 16:02.03 | Bela|work | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/patch2p20.html |
| 16:02.12 | ralfWORK | thanks bela, checking now |
| 16:02.14 | Cide | 25 spi will be better come 2.4 |
| 16:02.33 | ralfWORK | ah right voice chat |
| 16:02.34 | Bela|work | depends on class |
| 16:02.40 | Cide | Bela|work: nope |
| 16:02.46 | Bela|work | spirit is still fairly useless to a shaman |
| 16:02.48 | Cide | well |
| 16:02.49 | Cide | yeah |
| 16:03.14 | Bela|work | I think priest, mage, and druid will be the biggest spirit lovers |
| 16:03.29 | ralfWORK | lol@mage spr |
| 16:03.35 | Bela|work | dont laugh |
| 16:03.39 | zenzelezz | I'm totally stacking spirit on my warrior |
| 16:03.42 | Bela|work | the coefficient for mp5 from spirit is huge |
| 16:03.45 | Bela|work | for mages |
| 16:04.28 | Bela|work | there is one thing no one is taking into consideration though |
| 16:04.35 | Bela|work | they are making spell haste more common |
| 16:04.40 | Fin | hmm |
| 16:04.43 | Bela|work | and spell haste requires more mp5 to support it |
| 16:04.48 | Fin | yes |
| 16:04.51 | Fin | that's what I was thinking |
| 16:04.54 | Bela|work | which is I am sure a big reason for the spirit change as well |
| 16:05.13 | Bela|work | I try to stay away from spell haste |
| 16:05.13 | Fin | I think the first thing most people will do is get enough spell haste to reduce the GCD to 1s |
| 16:05.28 | Fin | I will, at least (aim for that, anyway) |
| 16:05.39 | Fin | so I'll have a certain amount of spell haste anyway |
| 16:06.11 | Bela|work | shamans spend 0 to no time outside the 5 second rule, so we have to rely on full mp5 while casting for most of our mana regen |
| 16:06.17 | Bela|work | at least resto shamans anyway |
| 16:06.28 | Bela|work | so spell haste hurts us |
| 16:06.30 | Fin | I spend 0 to no time outside the 5sr as well, and I'm a priest :) |
| 16:06.43 | ralfWORK | heh. that's probably not true :) |
| 16:06.48 | Fin | I just don't trust people in my group / raid to not die |
| 16:06.55 | Fin | it's a weakness as a healer |
| 16:07.06 | Bela|work | I ahve tried with and without spell haste, and I can tell a different in my mana lifetime |
| 16:07.16 | art3mis | Guide to Raiding: If the tank dies, it's the priest's fault. If the priest dies, it's the tank's fault. If everyone dies, it's the hunter's fault. If you're the hunter, blame your pet. |
| 16:07.17 | Fin | as soon as I see people losing health I get the urge to heal them |
| 16:07.30 | Fin | heh |
| 16:07.42 | Bela|work | wish you were in my guild |
| 16:07.50 | Fin | Bela|work: "tell a different" - ah, tell a difference |
| 16:07.59 | Bela|work | all of our shamans are used to raid healing, so we are twitch happy when healing |
| 16:08.13 | Bela|work | that guy has 10% less than full! heal him! |
| 16:08.23 | Fin | heheh, yeah, I know that |
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| 16:08.29 | Bela|work | but our priests and paladins are stuck in the single target healing mentality |
| 16:08.37 | Bela|work | and we are fighting their habits on Vashj |
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| 16:08.43 | Bela|work | since that is a big raid healing fight |
| 16:08.48 | ralfWORK | I do a decent job raid healing as a priest |
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| 16:08.58 | Kaso | ooh, those undersea cable breakages a while back, "seems [to be a] deliberate act of sabotage" |
| 16:08.58 | Fin | it's bad though because it teaches people to expect to be healed, and obv. takes attention away from the main focus of healing |
| 16:09.08 | Fin | I do a decent job healing too, though :) |
| 16:09.23 | ralfWORK | tank healing and raid healing at the same time... now that's a trick ;) |
| 16:09.27 | Bela|work | yup |
| 16:09.35 | Bela|work | HoTs help |
| 16:09.42 | Bela|work | or reactive heals like Earth Shield |
| 16:09.42 | Fin | I've been doing it long enough I don't have to think much anymore (unlike my lock where I am CONSTANTLY confused as to what the most appropriate thing to do is at any given time) |
| 16:09.48 | ralfWORK | (depending on gearing of the raid and the specific encounter of course) |
| 16:10.11 | Fin | oh man, HoTs... I was in ZA yesterday - THREE other healy priests there - and most of the time I only ever saw my 1 renew buff on targts (mine!) |
| 16:10.17 | Bela|work | I think THAT is why Vashj is so hard for a lot of our healers. It isn't so much the raid healing vs single target aspect |
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| 16:10.29 | Bela|work | its the fact that they ahve to do both, and make split second decisions on which to do |
| 16:10.33 | ralfWORK | yea, HoTs + ProM = win |
| 16:10.56 | Fin | PoM is the shit |
| 16:11.03 | Bela|work | which is why our shamans rock at it, since we have been doing that exact thing since we started 25mans |
| 16:11.05 | ralfWORK | Fin: do you cancelcast much? |
| 16:11.05 | Josh_Borke | binding heal for the mf'ing win |
| 16:11.17 | ralfWORK | ya, binding heal is win as well |
| 16:11.25 | Josh_Borke | it's perfect for vashj |
| 16:11.43 | ralfWORK | personally I love running around in a circle spamming CoH as I mash my face on the keyboard |
| 16:11.55 | Fin | ralfWORK: if I'm healing one target, then I use a macro which cancels and starts the heal again, so, I guess yes |
| 16:11.58 | dylanm | I like it when I find valid situations for BH. |
| 16:11.59 | Fin | but I don't think about it |
| 16:12.01 | zenzelezz | I only know one thing about healing; don't blame the healer until you fully understand what happened |
| 16:12.23 | Josh_Borke | zenzelezz: i blame healers when the tank died while he was the only one taking damage |
| 16:12.25 | Fin | I have not yet encountered a situation where I should use Binding Heal (although, maybe I have but just didn't realise it) |
| 16:12.31 | Josh_Borke | and there is no silence |
| 16:12.40 | ralfWORK | Fin: when I moved to cancel casting on single target healing, it seemed like I got outside FSR much more |
| 16:12.44 | zenzelezz | in that case you understand what was happening :-p |
| 16:12.52 | ralfWORK | Fin: uhm. Aran. binding heal ftw there |
| 16:13.00 | Josh_Borke | fin: binding heal works on vashj or on any fight where the priest takes damage and someone else takes damage |
| 16:13.23 | Josh_Borke | ZA on boss 5 |
| 16:13.38 | Fin | ralfWORK: I don't do much single target healing, I try and pick the "raid healing" role in a raid if I can :) (saisfies that urge I get when I see people losing health!) |
| 16:13.39 | Josh_Borke | za boss 4 when he switches phases |
| 16:14.00 | Josh_Borke | it's under-utilized imo |
| 16:14.02 | Seerah | Fin to the rescue! |
| 16:14.03 | Fin | aha, Aran, nice. haven't got to Vashj yet, unfortunately. |
| 16:14.06 | ralfWORK | Fin: gotcha. I can certainly see how you'd get no FSR |
| 16:14.13 | Fin | hahah |
| 16:14.31 | Fin | maybe it's my inner hero trying to get out |
| 16:14.36 | Fin | :) |
| 16:14.36 | ralfWORK | could be :) |
| 16:14.39 | Fin | (+t earlier) |
| 16:14.46 | Seerah | next you need a theme song :P |
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| 16:15.00 | Fin | I would like some credits at least |
| 16:15.01 | Fin | because |
| 16:15.04 | Fin | at the end of the credits |
| 16:15.07 | Fin | you could have |
| 16:15.08 | ralfWORK | yea, basically any time I need to heal myself, I'll use Binding heal or CoH |
| 16:15.08 | Fin | ~ Fin ~ |
| 16:15.21 | ralfWORK | took some time to get in the habit of using it |
| 16:15.28 | ralfWORK | but now it's second nature |
| 16:15.37 | Seerah | lol fin |
| 16:15.38 | Fin | yeah... thanks actually, I'll try and get myself using it more |
| 16:15.53 | Fin | I've basically never used it |
| 16:16.00 | ralfWORK | you just mentally grant your toon exemption from your own direct heals |
| 16:16.08 | ralfWORK | and bam! |
| 16:16.13 | Fin | oh, yeah, is that the case btw - no threat on the self-heal? |
| 16:16.22 | ralfWORK | no it's not |
| 16:16.43 | Fin | I should go look into it |
| 16:17.00 | Fin | I saw an interesting post about Fade today btw |
| 16:17.11 | Fin | it made me realise that even though I thought I knew how it worked exactly, I didn't |
| 16:17.23 | Fin | http://elitistjerks.com/628735-post635.html |
| 16:18.55 | Bela|work | Maldivia: https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=101150523&postId=47735791948&sid=1#464 |
| 16:19.02 | Bela|work | tell me what you think |
| 16:19.54 | ralfWORK | Fin: right, it subtracts about 1k threat from what I recall |
| 16:21.01 | art3mis | heh we should all join a server and call the guild Masters of the Universe and then pick all our names from He-Man and She-Ra |
| 16:21.52 | Fisker- | I wouldn't need to pick a name from he-man |
| 16:21.52 | Fin | ralfWORK: christ that's hardly anything |
| 16:21.52 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.54 | Fisker- | yeah Wobin knows i'm right |
| 16:21.56 | Fin | actually that reminds me |
| 16:21.57 | art3mis | Orkko the gnome mage ;P |
| 16:21.58 | Wobin | I never considered using fade like mind sooth |
| 16:21.58 | ralfWORK | Fin: yea, it pretty much sucks |
| 16:22.10 | ralfWORK | it all comes back at the end as well |
| 16:22.12 | ralfWORK | so whatever |
| 16:22.18 | Fin | ralfWORK: I've always known it sucks |
| 16:22.29 | Fin | didn't we have this conversation the other day? |
| 16:22.31 | ralfWORK | would be nice if it scaled some! |
| 16:22.36 | ralfWORK | Fin: hehe probably :) |
| 16:22.38 | Fin | not that I care, it's always good to bash fade |
| 16:22.45 | Fin | being so shit, as it is |
| 16:23.08 | Fin | 50% permanent threat reduction, awesome |
| 16:23.08 | ralfWORK | if it scaled up with spell damage/bonus healing, it might be a bit more useful |
| 16:23.18 | Wobin | I bet shammies want -any- aggro dump possible, first =P |
| 16:23.43 | Fin | ralfWORK: well yeah, if it scaled, and was permanent, and not on the GCD, and wasn't Fade |
| 16:23.56 | ralfWORK | Fin: pretty much that, yes :) |
| 16:23.56 | Fin | I've assembled a whole bunch of aggro dump type things on my lock |
| 16:24.19 | ralfWORK | honestly, I'd probably pay for a consumable that dropped threat :( |
| 16:24.28 | Wobin | what. |
| 16:24.31 | Wobin | like a potion? =P |
| 16:24.33 | Fin | Shrouding Potion |
| 16:24.36 | Wobin | hehe |
| 16:24.44 | Wobin | it does pitiful amounts of threat reduction |
| 16:24.48 | Fin | it's not that bad |
| 16:24.49 | ralfWORK | (I say this and I haven't done the 1 obvious thing to reduce my threat: subtlety to cloak) |
| 16:24.53 | Wobin | something like 800? |
| 16:24.54 | Fin | and it's useful combined with a trinket |
| 16:24.56 | Fin | 750 |
| 16:25.00 | Fin | oh! |
| 16:25.02 | Fin | wait they buffed it |
| 16:25.09 | Fin | 900 now I tihnk |
| 16:25.18 | Fin | jesus |
| 16:25.22 | Fin | Wowhead says -1500 |
| 16:26.13 | Fin | Jewel of Charismatic Thought trinket + Timelapse Shard + Muck Covered Drape + Shrouding Potion |
| 16:26.22 | Fin | +Fade |
| 16:26.48 | Fin | and the priest is still nowhere near as able to dump threat as a warlock |
| 16:26.56 | Gnarfoz | static threat reduction is ftl |
| 16:26.59 | Fin | oh well, at least if you have a good tank it's not an issue really |
| 16:27.21 | Arcaia | WTB -0.4.0.7923-enUS-patch.exe -> can anyone host it? [my campus network doesn't allow PTR patcher |
| 16:27.34 | Fin | a.wirebrain.de |
| 16:27.35 | Wobin | if you have a good tank, you don't need to aggro dump =P |
| 16:27.41 | Gnarfoz | http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ |
| 16:27.42 | Fin | Wobin: that's what I said :P |
| 16:27.44 | Bela|work | Wobin: I find that aggro is easy to manage as a shaman. If a shaman has problems with aggro, it is either a shaman that can't manage it, or tanks that don't do enough tps in my experience |
| 16:28.07 | Josh_Borke | hm, that's how i always thought of fade |
| 16:28.10 | Fin | well... that would make sense Bela... |
| 16:28.21 | Fin | it would probably either the shaman or the tank :) |
| 16:28.23 | Wobin | Bela|work: That's a bit tautalogical |
| 16:28.32 | Fin | heheh |
| 16:28.40 | Arcaia | fin: already tried there -> couldnt find past the initial ptr install |
| 16:28.47 | Bela|work | I just can't think of any reason for a shaman to ahve a fade like ability |
| 16:28.47 | Wobin | "If a shaman has problems with aggro, it's either a shaman that has problems with aggro, or not" =P |
| 16:28.53 | Fin | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_Mirrors |
| 16:28.54 | Bela|work | although technically we do, and its automatic |
| 16:28.57 | ralfWORK | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.59 | Gnarfoz | our enhancers far out-tps all of our tanks, I don't thinkt it's the tanks' fault, though |
| 16:29.04 | Josh_Borke | hm, 1500 threat reduction |
| 16:29.16 | Josh_Borke | so 2 ticks of my pain? 1 cast of mindflay? a weak hit of MB? |
| 16:29.19 | Fin | what's that other one that drops in AQ40... |
| 16:29.38 | ralfWORK | I had no idea this existed |
| 16:29.39 | zenzelezz | trinket? |
| 16:29.41 | ralfWORK | yes |
| 16:29.54 | Arcaia | Fin: will check there |
| 16:29.56 | ralfWORK | one comment says it's a 50% static reduction in threat at level 70 |
| 16:29.57 | ralfWORK | lulz |
| 16:29.58 | zenzelezz | the one off Ouro or something? |
| 16:30.15 | ralfWORK | Fankriss the Unyielding |
| 16:30.30 | ralfWORK | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21647 |
| 16:30.41 | Josh_Borke | !c us stormreaver dagh |
| 16:30.43 | WoWLuaircBot | Josh_Borke: Dagh, Level 70 Dwarf Priest (14/0/47). 7551 HP; 7530 Mana; 155 mana regen; 60 mp5; 132 spell crit; 102 spell hit; 921 +spell dmg/heal; 233 frost dmg (1154); 284 shadow dmg (1205); 4.82% dodge; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1116 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/25cjtb ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xmaya ][ Updated: Wed Feb 20 11:40:02 2008 EST ]] |
| 16:30.58 | Josh_Borke | worst name ever |
| 16:31.00 | Wobin | !i Fetish of the Sand Reaver |
| 16:31.07 | Wobin | bah |
| 16:31.13 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 16:31.14 | Fin | ah, I'm thinking of another trinke that's nothing to do with threat :) |
| 16:31.17 | Fin | (Scarab Brooch) |
| 16:31.24 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 16:31.45 | WoWLuaircBot | Wobin: Name: [Fetish of the Sand Reaver]; Rarity: Epic (Purple); BoP; Type: Trinket; Requires L60; Use: Reduces the threat you generate by 50% for 20 sec.; Drops off: Fankriss the Unyielding (Ahn'Qiraj); Drop Rate: Medium. || http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=21647 || http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21647 |
| 16:31.52 | Wobin | aha! |
| 16:32.05 | ralfWORK | ahh nm then |
| 16:32.08 | Fin | ralfWORK: that's right, 50% |
| 16:32.16 | ralfWORK | thought it was static, not on use |
| 16:32.17 | Bela|work | how much threat would that be for a level 70? |
| 16:32.21 | Arcaia | what's the current version of PTR at? |
| 16:32.22 | Bela|work | on that trinket |
| 16:32.24 | Wobin | 50%? |
| 16:32.24 | ralfWORK | Bela|work: comments say 50% |
| 16:32.24 | Fin | 50% |
| 16:32.40 | Wobin | actually wowhead says: Reduces the threat you generate by [70 - 2 * max(0,PL - 60)]% for 20 sec. |
| 16:32.42 | Bela|work | tahts a lot |
| 16:32.45 | Fin | 2 times max(0, (70 - 60)) |
| 16:32.50 | ralfWORK | yea, but it's threat generated |
| 16:32.52 | Fin | is 20 |
| 16:32.59 | Fin | 70 - 20, yeah |
| 16:33.29 | Bela|work | I think I found a reason to go back to AQ |
| 16:33.34 | Fin | so half threat for 20 seconds, would be good for spamming on enrage, like on Prince or something (not that I think I've ever actually pulled threat on Prince, heh) |
| 16:33.36 | ralfWORK | I thought I did too |
| 16:33.49 | ralfWORK | but 20 seconds? |
| 16:33.50 | ralfWORK | hmm |
| 16:33.51 | Wobin | Fin: best for Aoe |
| 16:33.51 | ralfWORK | dunno |
| 16:33.59 | Fin | !i Scarab Brooch |
| 16:33.59 | ralfWORK | 20s with 3m cd |
| 16:34.00 | WoWLuaircBot | Fin: Name: [Scarab Brooch]; Rarity: Epic (Purple); BoP; Type: Trinket; Requires L60; Use: Your magical heals provide the target with a shield that absorbs damage equal to 15% of the amount healed for 30 sec.; Drops off: Viscidus (Ahn'Qiraj); Drop Rate: Low. || http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=21625 || http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21625 |
| 16:34.13 | Arcaia | that trinket is amazing btw. ;P |
| 16:34.15 | Bela|work | 3m is a long time in a raid |
| 16:34.20 | ralfWORK | yea |
| 16:34.26 | ralfWORK | our prince kills take less than 6m |
| 16:34.43 | Fin | it's +15% healing basically for 30 seconds, mad |
| 16:34.45 | ralfWORK | so I could pop it maybe 2x in the kill |
| 16:35.09 | Wobin | Fin: not really |
| 16:35.19 | Fin | no? |
| 16:35.24 | Wobin | it's a 15% heal addition to max health |
| 16:35.48 | Wobin | You're not healing 15% more, you're needing to heal 15% less |
| 16:36.01 | Fin | you heal... 15% of that is then absorbed... feels like heal + 15% to me |
| 16:36.09 | Wobin | well not really =) |
| 16:36.28 | Fin | no, not technically, the mechanics are slightly different, but I don't think it makes any practical difference - that I can see |
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| 16:36.45 | Wobin | It saves you from having to heal that 15% of health |
| 16:36.59 | Wobin | +15% flat healing would mean that a tank could still die |
| 16:37.05 | Wobin | if you didn't get the heal off in time |
| 16:37.09 | Wobin | this is a 15% buffer |
| 16:37.42 | Bela|work | ralfWORK: no offense, but I am not even close to thinking of fights like Prince |
| 16:37.53 | Wobin | although I'm not sure just how that % is calculated |
| 16:38.03 | Fin | I do not disagree, that makes it better, but the difference in use will be visible to me (will "feel like"), 15% extra healing, I think. I don't have one though, so I don't know! |
| 16:38.05 | Wobin | does the shield refresh? Or if it gets used up in the first hit |
| 16:38.07 | Bela|work | I am thiking more the longer 10m plus fights |
| 16:38.11 | Fin | Wobin: I accept what you're saying though :) |
| 16:38.15 | Wobin | hehe |
| 16:38.54 | Fin | wow |
| 16:38.59 | Josh_Borke | Bela|work: would it not be useful in a transitional fight? |
| 16:39.05 | Fin | does the brooch work on the healing beam in the Netherspite fight? |
| 16:39.09 | Bela|work | like? |
| 16:39.10 | Josh_Borke | bela: with phases where the healers have to switch off |
| 16:39.24 | Josh_Borke | i can't think of any specific fights |
| 16:39.25 | Bela|work | the threat trinket? |
| 16:39.35 | Wobin | Fin: it's not like the tank isn't getting healed in the beam for Netherspite |
| 16:39.37 | Josh_Borke | no, the damage absortion |
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| 16:40.02 | Josh_Borke | i hate all threat trinkets because i think they are stupid |
| 16:40.08 | Bela|work | ahh no I was referring to ralfWORK and our discussion of the threat trinket with a 3m cooldown |
| 16:40.11 | Josh_Borke | and ineffective |
| 16:40.16 | Fin | Josh_Borke: one I can think of is the second boss in... shit I always mix up the Auchindoun instances... |
| 16:40.23 | Fin | that guy that mind controls everyone and dumps aggro |
| 16:40.30 | Wobin | TIME FOR FUN |
| 16:40.30 | Josh_Borke | yea, shadow labs |
| 16:40.40 | Fin | heheh, it is fun too :) |
| 16:40.40 | Bela|work | seriously though, that Scarab trinket? how much dmg absorption will you get? |
| 16:40.50 | Wobin | I hate that fight |
| 16:40.59 | Wobin | If you have too good dps, you wipe yourselves out =P |
| 16:41.00 | Josh_Borke | heh, like 500 |
| 16:41.04 | Bela|work | I mean, I get an 8k crit on a tank, and they get what? 900 dmg absorption |
| 16:41.08 | Wobin | if you don't have enough dps, you can't kill him in time |
| 16:41.09 | Josh_Borke | lua> 8000*0.15 |
| 16:41.10 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 1200 |
| 16:41.13 | Fin | for 30 seconds |
| 16:41.35 | Wobin | yeah, it's a 30second period |
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| 16:41.39 | Fin | does it affect all heals, btw? or just the heals from the trinket wearer? |
| 16:41.40 | Wobin | of what could be flat out heals |
| 16:41.54 | Bela|work | it basically saves you from hitting them with a fast flash heal |
| 16:41.58 | Fin | just the trinket wearer |
| 16:41.58 | Bela|work | I think |
| 16:42.06 | Fin | "Your magical heals..." |
| 16:42.31 | Fin | how much do you heal a tank for over 30s, hmm |
| 16:42.52 | Fin | renews + PoM + greater heal spamming |
| 16:42.53 | Wobin | a 20k netherspite flash heal =P |
| 16:42.58 | Fin | would be quite a lot I reckon |
| 16:43.14 | Wobin | although |
| 16:43.20 | Wobin | it's still a flat 15% buffer |
| 16:43.30 | Wobin | which can be eaten up fairly quickly |
| 16:43.32 | Bela|work | which equates into time |
| 16:43.33 | Fin | my desire for this trinket is approaching lust |
| 16:43.41 | Bela|work | how much time depends |
| 16:43.44 | Bela|work | on the fight |
| 16:43.52 | Wobin | Fin: go 5 man AQ40 =P |
| 16:44.05 | Fin | Wobin: wish I could find five people willing to do that with me! |
| 16:44.09 | Fin | is it possible to 5-man it? |
| 16:44.25 | Bela|work | dont think so |
| 16:44.27 | Wobin | Bela|work: I guess you would pre-empt the situation when you could cast 30seconds of uninterrupted healing |
| 16:44.30 | Bela|work | the boses scale |
| 16:44.35 | Fin | they scale?!? |
| 16:44.36 | Fin | christ |
| 16:44.38 | Bela|work | we tried that already with a group of 10 70s |
| 16:44.53 | Fin | they're not just quite hard? :) |
| 16:45.10 | Bela|work | no they scale in difficulty |
| 16:45.15 | Fin | oh, balls |
| 16:45.19 | Bela|work | not a lot, but enough to make it a pain for a small group |
| 16:45.24 | Fin | so, they're seriously as hard as they were? I guess the trash was a large part of it |
| 16:45.28 | Fin | aha, it's not a direct scale |
| 16:45.33 | Bela|work | found that out the hard way when I tried to 2man ZG |
| 16:45.40 | Fin | yeah, I've tried that |
| 16:45.45 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=15299 |
| 16:45.48 | Bela|work | the trash was cake |
| 16:45.51 | Bela|work | the bosses weren't |
| 16:45.58 | Wobin | not a boss you can do without a lot of aoe =P |
| 16:46.45 | Fin | there's a pickup AQ40 raid arranged on our server fairly regularly, but it's specifically because the raid organiser wants that trinkte |
| 16:46.48 | Fin | -te+et |
| 16:46.50 | Fin | heh |
| 16:46.54 | Bela|work | lol |
| 16:47.07 | Fin | maybe I should try doing that, actually :) |
| 16:47.25 | Bela|work | I wonder how popular selling raid spots for farmable bosses would be |
| 16:47.37 | Bela|work | like for bosses no members need anymore |
| 16:47.51 | Fin | that was discussed in our realm forums |
| 16:48.09 | Bela|work | I mean, most of us are done in SSC, but obviously have to clear it for Vashj |
| 16:48.11 | Fin | answer was, almost popular enough to do it, I think :) |
| 16:48.16 | Bela|work | may as well make cash |
| 16:48.33 | Fin | there were guilds selling BWL raids at the end of the pre-TBC months |
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| 16:48.45 | Fin | something like up to 500g for a some of the set items |
| 16:48.50 | Bela|work | plus you foster good will towards your guild, which helps when recruiting opens |
| 16:49.02 | kergoth | hmm, that imp backstab change looks nice |
| 16:49.25 | Fin | actually this was a big problem with me, because the guild that was doing it had promised to take me along for a particular item (I used to be in the guild), and the first day they advertised it they sold that spot to someone else |
| 16:49.56 | acemo | evil fin |
| 16:49.58 | Fin | (bastards) |
| 16:51.05 | Arcaia | kergoth - looks amazing, but not on PTR yet from what I'm seeing |
| 16:51.15 | kergoth | :( |
| 16:51.20 | kergoth | wanted to try it :) |
| 16:52.02 | Arcaia | me too |
| 16:52.11 | Arcaia | I pulled out my daggers for the first time this year |
| 16:52.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:52.25 | Arcaia | loaded up ptr... specced into it... noticed that nothing was working. |
| 16:52.30 | Arcaia | was like QQ |
| 16:52.52 | Fin | hello kergoth! did you see my /msg? just checking :) |
| 16:53.02 | kergoth | i might have to blow the dust off of my unplayed 70 mutilate rogue and actually play him some if that change hits live |
| 16:53.05 | Arcaia | I figure that with my 30% base crit -> +15% on Mutilate will be dead sexy. |
| 16:53.09 | kergoth | Fin: saw it, i'll see about adding it today |
| 16:53.34 | kergoth | Fin: the code is dead simple, just have to add a slash command or gui to configure it :P |
| 16:53.40 | Fin | kergoth: righto. I really didn't mean to hassle you, it's just the kind of thing I'd want to do myself but forget about :) |
| 16:53.43 | Arcaia | but geared appropriately - I'd say it'd be easy to get around 60% or something crazy like that with mutilate. |
| 16:54.04 | Fin | kergoth: and as I said, if you like I can have a go at adding it myself to save you the hassle - although I'd understand if you'd prefer to do it yourself |
| 16:54.28 | kergoth | no biggie, either way. i figured i'd take care of it just cause i wanted to add configuration stuff to it anyway, so adding another little feature while i'm at it isn't a problem |
| 16:56.11 | Fin | I can wait :) |
| 16:56.16 | Fin | thanks! |
| 16:56.19 | kergoth | np |
| 16:56.35 | Fin | btw |
| 16:56.58 | Fin | does anyone know of any gear that has threat reduction on it other thank a trinket or the Muck Covered Drape? |
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| 16:58.27 | Fin | http://home.comcast.net/~kinien/Hosting/MP5-modified.xls (gear comparison for 2.4 mana regen changes) |
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| 17:03.33 | Shirik|zZz | how did IT break the mail server now.... |
| 17:03.41 | Shirik|zZz | File Not Found |
| 17:03.41 | Shirik|zZz | The requested URL /wm/eml/login.html was not found on this server. |
| 17:03.43 | Shirik|zZz | -_- |
| 17:04.07 | nevcairiel | 1:) they moved the files, 2.) they broke the apache config |
| 17:04.19 | Shirik | They're probably using IIS |
| 17:04.34 | nevcairiel | meh same idea |
| 17:04.40 | nevcairiel | altho IIS adds a 3.) it just broke by itself |
| 17:04.44 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:05.02 | Fin | 4) working as intended? ;) |
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| 17:07.05 | haste | 5) User error |
| 17:07.39 | Crysli | 6) I don't know what this one is |
| 17:08.54 | haste | 7) Maybe Reimu set the server on fire |
| 17:09.03 | Shirik | <3 Reimu |
| 17:09.15 | Shirik | you know nobody else knows who that is |
| 17:09.16 | haste | seen the walfas flashes :D ? |
| 17:09.20 | haste | yes, I do |
| 17:09.30 | haste | but I like subtle refrences to stuff |
| 17:12.06 | haste | Shirik: http://www.walfas.org/?page_id=44 << you should watch it from start to finish :p |
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| 17:15.08 | haste | first is very related |
| 17:19.31 | Industrial | There is no alliance inn in blasted lands? how unconvenient |
| 17:19.38 | Industrial | s/un/in/ |
| 17:20.01 | Industrial | hell, wheres all the quests |
| 17:20.15 | Lunessa | Netherguarde - but I don't recall that it acts as an Inn despite having a mailbox |
| 17:20.26 | Crysli | Nope, it has no in.. |
| 17:20.36 | Crysli | And I can't spell. |
| 17:23.20 | Lopeppeppy | I think that's not true. If you go upstairs in the Keep there's an innkeep, IIRC. Like in the Hinterlands. |
| 17:23.47 | Lunessa | but you don't accrue rest or get the fast logout |
| 17:24.12 | Lopeppeppy | I thought you could.... I'd have to go and be there and yell at the NPC to make sure though. |
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| 17:24.27 | Lunessa | I can go check |
| 17:27.14 | Lunessa | Headed past there anyway |
| 17:27.39 | Lopeppeppy | Wave to the Dark Portal for me! |
| 17:29.15 | Lunessa | *waves* |
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| 17:35.30 | Lunessa | No Alliance building in Netherguarde acts as an Inn. |
| 17:35.58 | Crysli | It is, however, a relatively short ride from Thelsamar. |
| 17:36.23 | Lunessa | Darkshire |
| 17:36.29 | zenzelezz | why from Thelsamar? |
| 17:36.34 | Lunessa | You're thinking Bad Lands |
| 17:37.11 | Crysli | Yeah, yeah I am. |
| 17:37.47 | Crysli | Thanks for correcting me. |
| 17:38.25 | Keias | at least you guys get a flight path |
| 17:38.31 | Keias | My lazy ass hates running from Stonard |
| 17:39.36 | Keias | damn, almost 1pm. Sleep time! |
| 17:41.12 | art3mis | hah |
| 17:41.15 | batrick | Alterac Valley |
| 17:41.15 | art3mis | jewtube.com |
| 17:41.16 | batrick | * There is now a Join as Party option. |
| 17:41.20 | batrick | w0w |
| 17:41.22 | art3mis | a video site for the jews by the jews |
| 17:44.56 | Lunessa | I'm certifiable. Collecting coins for my mage so she can have 6 special RP outfits... |
| 17:45.38 | Lunessa | correction... 8 |
| 17:45.47 | Crysli | Does anyone use Notepad++? I can't get it to stop autofinishing my code. |
| 17:45.59 | Lin | crysli I use vim! |
| 17:46.13 | nevcairiel | i never got notepad++ to autofinish my code o.O |
| 17:46.22 | Lunessa | I use butterflys |
| 17:46.34 | zenzelezz | Crysli: there are settings to enable it I think; and like nev I don't have that problem |
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| 17:47.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, you are certifiable, Lunessa. |
| 17:47.56 | Lunessa | I need ... 8 more coins |
| 17:48.12 | Fin | nevcairiel: does notepad++ use the same config files as SciTE? |
| 17:48.15 | Fin | I know it's based on SciTE |
| 17:48.24 | zenzelezz | err, based on SciTE? |
| 17:48.26 | Lunessa | And another slot for bags in the bank |
| 17:48.43 | zenzelezz | I thought all it was based on was Scintilla |
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| 17:49.15 | Fin | well, I say SciTE, but I'm assuming that it's using a lot of SciTE's stuff |
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| 17:49.28 | Fin | and SciTE uses Scintilla |
| 17:49.44 | Fin | in fact it was written as an example of what you can do with Scintilla</trivia> |
| 17:51.09 | zenzelezz | you could well be right, I just wasn't aware of it if that's the case. Thought SciTE was just an editor while Scintilla was the component all the other editors used |
| 17:51.28 | Fin | you could also well be right :) |
| 17:51.40 | Fin | Scintilla is a framework as I understand it |
| 17:52.18 | Fin | OK, it's actually a "source code editing component" |
| 17:52.33 | Fin | I must not have ever read that page properly - I thought it was something a bit different |
| 17:52.40 | Fin | 5 points, zenzelezz! |
| 17:52.56 | Fin | so I take it that's, no, Notepad++ doesn't use the same config files as SciTE |
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| 17:54.05 | Shirik | nevcairiel: ping |
| 17:54.11 | nevcairiel | Shirik: ? |
| 17:54.34 | Shirik | If you were to say any one person were the "head" of the WoWAce SVN repository, whom would it be? |
| 17:54.44 | nevcairiel | kaelten |
| 17:54.48 | Shirik | thanks |
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| 17:57.56 | Josh_Borke | ~lart shirik |
| 17:57.56 | purl | eats shirik's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 17:58.03 | Josh_Borke | kadrahil: i broke 1200 shadow damage unbuffed |
| 17:58.16 | Josh_Borke | !vs us drenden kimina us stormreaver dagh |
| 17:58.18 | WoWLuaircBot | Josh_Borke: Kimina vs Dagh! Two 70 priests square off!; 20/41/0 vs 14/0/47; Dagh wins by 305 TBRs! |
| 18:00.00 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 18:00.01 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (20/41/0). 7921 HP; 9945 Mana; 453 mana regen; 236 mp5; 646 +spell dmg; 1722 +heal; 5.90% dodge; 23 resilience;[[ TBR: 812 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Wed Feb 20 03:03:47 2008 EST ]] |
| 18:00.09 | Shirik | I'm holy atm :P And in my holy gear |
| 18:00.17 | Josh_Borke | psh, i'm shadow and in my pve gear |
| 18:00.21 | Josh_Borke | !c us stormreaver dagh |
| 18:00.22 | WoWLuaircBot | Josh_Borke: Dagh, Level 70 Dwarf Priest (14/0/47). 7551 HP; 7530 Mana; 155 mana regen; 60 mp5; 132 spell crit; 102 spell hit; 921 +spell dmg/heal; 233 frost dmg (1154); 284 shadow dmg (1205); 4.82% dodge; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1116 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/25cjtb ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xmaya ][ Updated: Wed Feb 20 11:40:02 2008 EST ]] |
| 18:00.25 | Shirik | yeah but at least you can do damage |
| 18:00.27 | Josh_Borke | mainly because i have no pvp gear |
| 18:00.54 | kd3 | whee, new PTR build today at some point |
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| 18:06.45 | Lunessa | ... quoth the server "404". |
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| 18:11.19 | Lunessa | So I heard from Cogwheel today. |
| 18:11.28 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 18:11.43 | Lunessa | dinner/drink/geek talk Firday. |
| 18:11.47 | Cairenn | he okay? where has he been? |
| 18:11.50 | Lunessa | er, Friday |
| 18:12.07 | Lunessa | He's visiting his wife's family here in TX. |
| 18:12.12 | Cairenn | ahhhhhhh |
| 18:12.31 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah for Friday! |
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| 18:15.12 | Maldivia | Friday... is it weekend already? :) |
| 18:15.26 | Lunessa | No, it's only Wednesday |
| 18:15.33 | Maldivia | bugger :| |
| 18:16.50 | Maldivia | hmm, any hunters who can check if UnitIsFeignDeath("player") works? |
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| 18:34.41 | Crysli | :o PitBull has readycheck icons now |
| 18:34.58 | ralfWORK | oh ya? |
| 18:35.30 | Crysli | ya |
| 18:39.30 | ralfWORK | guess I need to update my crap then |
| 18:39.31 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 18:39.43 | Lopeppeppy | I totally do. |
| 18:39.59 | ralfWORK | if the addon updater worked on macs, I'd totally use it |
| 18:40.10 | Lunessa | There's a mac version |
| 18:40.14 | Josh_Borke | you use addons based on updators? |
| 18:40.15 | Josh_Borke | :-( |
| 18:40.15 | ralfWORK | orly? |
| 18:40.19 | Lunessa | ya rly |
| 18:40.24 | Lunessa | Source Forge |
| 18:40.31 | ralfWORK | Lunessa: name? |
| 18:40.44 | Lunessa | I think it's MacAceUpdater |
| 18:40.46 | pastamancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.50 | ralfWORK | k |
| 18:41.23 | pastamancer | http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ |
| 18:42.18 | ralfWORK | hmm k |
| 18:42.36 | pastamancer | I prefer it because it works with wowi and curse too |
| 18:43.14 | pastamancer | the gui is a little clunky though |
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| 18:49.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Buhahaha @ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4665535244&sid=1 |
| 18:50.15 | haste | I don't get it :( |
| 18:51.01 | Crysli | Is there supposed to be anything else than Hortus on that page? |
| 18:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope. |
| 18:51.16 | ScytheBlade1 | He locked the thread, banned all the posters, and replied. |
| 18:52.29 | Crysli | What was it about? |
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| 18:53.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Read the topic |
| 18:53.16 | Crysli | Yeah, but I don't get it anyway. |
| 18:58.45 | kd3 | he's done that before |
| 18:58.48 | kd3 | and woot, zoot's on in-game |
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| 19:01.46 | kd3 | lol. he leveled himself to 70 still wearing the lv1 gear and ported to me |
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| 19:02.05 | sag_ich_nicht | gaaaaaaah |
| 19:02.05 | ralfWORK | did he do that... on purpose? |
| 19:02.29 | ralfWORK | that's like the dude that leveled up to 70 with no weapons |
| 19:03.24 | kd3 | nah, he was level 1 when I /who'd him a minute ago, he's 70 now |
| 19:03.35 | ralfWORK | dafux |
| 19:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I was about to mention that myself, kd3 |
| 19:04.31 | ScytheBlade1 | He WAS level 1, and he is now level 70 |
| 19:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Without changing guild rank |
| 19:04.47 | ralfWORK | am I missing something? :P |
| 19:04.59 | Lopeppeppy | Be pleased that the gods visit, think not too deeply on their shape. Or level. Or you get smited. Hard. |
| 19:05.12 | sag_ich_nicht | wgat |
| 19:05.14 | sag_ich_nicht | *what |
| 19:05.15 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 19:05.43 | Crysli | WTF Peppy |
| 19:06.11 | ralfWORK | is this person a GM or something? |
| 19:06.20 | Lopeppeppy | Zoot. Read the forums, ya. |
| 19:06.27 | ralfWORK | oh. k |
| 19:06.31 | kd3 | he's one of the UI devs |
| 19:06.40 | ralfWORK | ahh gotcha |
| 19:07.20 | sag_ich_nicht | kd3 wanna report a bug for me? (well, not as much as a bug but the fact that a way to detect a bug in drivers that can cause WoW to crash is missing from WoW) |
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| 19:07.34 | kd3 | sec |
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| 19:09.50 | kd3 | zomg dev hax: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/57284bf08283561cd225a91035e34913.jpg |
| 19:10.13 | sag_ich_nicht | lql |
| 19:11.24 | ralfWORK | rofl |
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| 19:13.03 | Crysli | lol |
| 19:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb that power |
| 19:16.54 | Kaso | Oh fuck thank god |
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| 19:17.06 | Kaso | i almost just deleted a whole days work |
| 19:17.30 | ralfWORK | uhm |
| 19:17.32 | ralfWORK | please don't |
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| 19:20.47 | Shirik|Ecole | Please do Kaso |
| 19:20.51 | Shirik|Ecole | It makes me feel better :D |
| 19:21.05 | Kaso | Well i did |
| 19:21.06 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/4204/download/47040/ i lol'd! |
| 19:21.17 | Kaso | but luckly netbeans has a revert delete function |
| 19:21.20 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: integrate x/6 |
| 19:21.39 | Shirik|Ecole | Kaso: Netbeans has a feature for everything |
| 19:21.40 | Shirik|Ecole | :D |
| 19:21.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 19:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It looks like KTM lives then |
| 19:22.25 | Saint-N | MS Office Excel Typing 30WPH |
| 19:22.31 | Saint-N | wow that's a "hire for sure" |
| 19:22.33 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 19:22.38 | Crysli | Lol |
| 19:22.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ScytheBlade1 read the code lol |
| 19:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | sag_ich_nicht: that's a lot of code to read.. anything in specific? |
| 19:24.07 | sag_ich_nicht | ScytheBlade1: no, it's funny all over, just skim it :P |
| 19:24.21 | Cidan | oh god my head |
| 19:24.23 | Cidan | it hurts |
| 19:24.24 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, that's what I thought |
| 19:24.35 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: did you skim the code for the new KTM? :P |
| 19:24.43 | Cidan | no? |
| 19:24.46 | Cidan | why... would I? |
| 19:24.52 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:24] <Cidan> oh god my head |
| 19:24.52 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:24] <Cidan> it hurts |
| 19:24.59 | Cidan | oh haha |
| 19:24.59 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 19:25.15 | Cidan | what's wrong with it? |
| 19:25.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Er |
| 19:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything |
| 19:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | And that's coming... from me |
| 19:25.31 | sag_ich_nicht | ScytheBlade1 you skimmed it? :D |
| 19:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Skimming |
| 19:26.08 | Cidan | wow |
| 19:26.09 | Cidan | that's bad |
| 19:26.28 | Cidan | I just opened up a random file |
| 19:26.33 | sag_ich_nicht | :D |
| 19:26.37 | Cidan | KTM_Unit.lua |
| 19:26.50 | Cidan | http://wowi.pastey.net/82688 |
| 19:26.56 | Saint-N | Ci-DAN! |
| 19:26.56 | Cidan | lol double loop? |
| 19:27.01 | Saint-N | and the masters of the universe! |
| 19:27.06 | kergoth | yikes |
| 19:27.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: have you ever taken a look at the original KTM in it's current implementation? |
| 19:27.28 | Cidan | nope |
| 19:27.31 | sag_ich_nicht | you should |
| 19:27.35 | sag_ich_nicht | it's even more funny! |
| 19:27.52 | Cidan | Well I don't use threat meters anyways, l2aggro |
| 19:28.12 | Cidan | if you really depend on them, go back to console gaming, plz. |
| 19:28.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/4204/download/42534/ go and laught your ass off |
| 19:28.38 | sag_ich_nicht | :D |
| 19:28.51 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 19:28.52 | Bela|work | whoa |
| 19:29.04 | Bela|work | those loops are hawt |
| 19:29.09 | Bela|work | I gotta say |
| 19:29.10 | ralfWORK | must be nice playing with perfect people |
| 19:29.17 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ralfWORK: don't need perfect people. Just competent tanks. |
| 19:29.38 | ralfWORK | oh right those |
| 19:29.43 | ralfWORK | like I said |
| 19:29.44 | ralfWORK | must be nice |
| 19:30.04 | Cidan | Well this is how you get competent people |
| 19:30.10 | Cidan | don't fucking baby them to death |
| 19:30.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ that |
| 19:30.19 | Bela|work | 500tps? |
| 19:30.26 | ScytheBlade1 | threat per second |
| 19:30.31 | Bela|work | I know what it means |
| 19:30.35 | Bela|work | my grandma can do that |
| 19:30.41 | Cidan | TPS? |
| 19:30.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: i'd nazi my raid to work, but then you, you know, don't find enough people because everyone thinks your an asshole |
| 19:30.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: threat per second |
| 19:30.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. And this was an incredibly decked out feral on tidewalker |
| 19:30.58 | Esamynn|Work | where are my TPS reports!!!! ;) |
| 19:31.01 | Bela|work | wtf |
| 19:31.03 | Cidan | sag_ich_nicht: Sarcasm, TPS report, etc |
| 19:31.03 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 19:31.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Our warrior MT logged on to her account for tidewalker when she wasn't there |
| 19:31.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: meh |
| 19:31.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Did 1100TPS the entire fight with her gear |
| 19:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And she pulls an epic 500-600 |
| 19:31.34 | sag_ich_nicht | Bela|work: did you start reading the KTM code? if so, please be advised that it has been know to cause brain damage |
| 19:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Makes the rogues *cry* |
| 19:31.45 | Bela|work | I am avoiding it after that pastey |
| 19:31.53 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 19:31.54 | Bela|work | I dont want to start a rant in his comments |
| 19:32.16 | Cidan | looking at KTM old vs new, it looks like it always sucked |
| 19:32.22 | kd3 | but speaking of upcoming code. how's NECB coming along? |
| 19:32.26 | Bela|work | good |
| 19:32.39 | Bela|work | timer bars are done, groupings are done. working on combat log parsing now |
| 19:32.55 | kergoth | nice |
| 19:32.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: it hooks pretty much EVERYTHING, including your inventory, and iterates over it on EVERY onUpdate |
| 19:32.58 | Bela|work | which is actually pretty easy |
| 19:33.02 | Bela|work | thought it would be harder |
| 19:33.07 | Cidan | NECB? |
| 19:33.08 | kergoth | sag_ich_nicht: ow |
| 19:33.09 | acemo | what framework is ktm based on? |
| 19:33.14 | Bela|work | NaturEnemyCastBars |
| 19:33.15 | sag_ich_nicht | acemo: standalone coded |
| 19:33.15 | Josh_Borke | it's not |
| 19:33.18 | Cidan | sag_ich_nicht: ow? |
| 19:33.23 | acemo | okay |
| 19:33.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: yupp |
| 19:33.27 | Cidan | Bela|work: oohhh |
| 19:33.30 | sag_ich_nicht | very very VERY ow. |
| 19:33.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Bela|work: are you working with Funkeh` on this? :P |
| 19:34.04 | Bela|work | Limited and Funkeh` |
| 19:34.14 | sag_ich_nicht | :D |
| 19:34.22 | Cidan | I use an old version of ECB |
| 19:34.35 | sag_ich_nicht | be advised that i will kill you if you remove any of the bloat features of NECB |
| 19:34.35 | Cidan | I don't update my UI's anymore unless I need to, some of them turn into piles of shit. |
| 19:34.46 | Esamynn|Work | heh |
| 19:34.52 | Bela|work | the interesting thing is, I made the core of is an embedded library. It is VERY lightweight. Eats about 10kb |
| 19:35.08 | Shirik|Ecole | I refuse to update conspiracy |
| 19:35.12 | Shirik|Ecole | the author keeps making it more and more bloated |
| 19:35.15 | Bela|work | anyone could use it to make a custom ecb based module |
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| 19:35.20 | sag_ich_nicht | Bela|work: as long as the main release has all the bloat enabled by default so i can still annoy my raid with /necb western, that's fine. |
| 19:35.22 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole: D: |
| 19:35.37 | Shirik|Ecole | in fact, one would argue, percentage wise, it is infinitely more bloated than it was when I first got it |
| 19:35.51 | Shirik|Ecole | it went from 0 lines to... a lot |
| 19:35.56 | sag_ich_nicht | in fact, one could argue, that someone who fails to integrate x/6 should shut up about this topic |
| 19:35.57 | Shirik|Ecole | :D |
| 19:35.59 | Cidan | Conspiracy is pretty big right now, but it's a total framework |
| 19:36.04 | Shirik|Ecole | Yeah but it's more than 0 lines :D |
| 19:36.08 | Bela|work | I dont know that I will have custom bars via chat right away. But we will see |
| 19:36.11 | acemo | are there any plans to have the new ktm work with omen? like if i use ktm, i can still see thread information from people who use omen |
| 19:36.29 | Shirik|Ecole | afaict, the ktm author doesn't want it to work with omen |
| 19:36.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Bela|work: as long as the sounds stay :P |
| 19:36.31 | Bela|work | I disabled that in my omen |
| 19:36.34 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't know if that is a fact or not though |
| 19:36.45 | Bela|work | I found that omen liked to get weird |
| 19:37.23 | sag_ich_nicht | that's because ktm is shit |
| 19:37.23 | acemo | i dun know why i even care about this.. cuz as a healer i hardly ever get aggro n if i get it, just fade and its gone =p |
| 19:37.27 | sag_ich_nicht | you can't compensate for shit |
| 19:37.34 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole: Is the two way comm in Conspiracy able to accept hooks, etc? |
| 19:38.11 | Shirik|Ecole | eh |
| 19:38.18 | Shirik|Ecole | depends where |
| 19:38.28 | Shirik|Ecole | I intentionally made it inaccessible at some parts |
| 19:38.45 | Cidan | because I want to be able to write a mod that translates Conspiracy data to say, CT or whatever |
| 19:39.13 | Shirik|Ecole | you can hook the Module.__index.SendMessage/ReceiveMessage spot |
| 19:39.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Bela|work: you forgot to post the changelog when you updated NECB on curse |
| 19:39.30 | Shirik|Ecole | you can't hook _encode/_decode though, but you don't have to call those if you don't want |
| 19:39.32 | Bela|work | what changelog? |
| 19:39.38 | Cidan | hm, okay |
| 19:39.40 | Bela|work | I didn't change anything |
| 19:39.47 | Shirik|Ecole | it wouldn't really make sense to call those anyway |
| 19:39.57 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole: Did you include compression? |
| 19:40.03 | Shirik|Ecole | negative |
| 19:40.04 | Bela|work | it was a reposting of the 8.7.5 version after we removed them all during that ToS issue |
| 19:40.18 | sag_ich_nicht | Bela|work: correct, but you forgot to re-post the 8.7.5 changelog |
| 19:40.19 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 19:40.22 | Shirik|Ecole | I need to rework the encoder anyway |
| 19:40.25 | Bela|work | meh |
| 19:40.26 | sag_ich_nicht | thus the changelog entry is empty :P |
| 19:40.27 | Shirik|Ecole | it has a dangerous edge case |
| 19:40.35 | Bela|work | does it download? |
| 19:40.43 | sag_ich_nicht | yes it does :P |
| 19:40.47 | sag_ich_nicht | it's a minor issue :P |
| 19:40.48 | Bela|work | working as intended (tm) |
| 19:40.51 | Bela|work | hehe |
| 19:41.07 | Bela|work | changelogs will be there for 9.0 |
| 19:41.44 | kd3 | k. put what you want on pastey and I'll post it |
| 19:43.36 | sag_ich_nicht | kd3 thanks *me starts to write pastey* |
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| 19:55.16 | Shirik|Ecole | This class is bleh >< |
| 19:55.26 | Shirik|Ecole | He's spending like 20 minutes on the difference between objects and classes |
| 19:55.27 | kergoth | s/^This // |
| 19:57.31 | Saint-N | that's better than 20mins describing what he and yer mom did last night though |
| 19:59.13 | ralfWORK | there's a difference? |
| 19:59.14 | ralfWORK | lulz |
| 20:00.01 | Saint-N | ~rimshot |
| 20:00.02 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 20:00.09 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 20:00.12 | Saint-N | hrm |
| 20:00.25 | Saint-N | naked lindsay lohan in New York Magazine |
| 20:00.31 | Cidan | SO WAIT |
| 20:00.36 | Saint-N | shes got pretty nice boobies |
| 20:00.36 | Cidan | WUT IS AN OBJECT SHIRIK? |
| 20:00.39 | Cidan | cuz I dunno |
| 20:00.45 | Saint-N | but a face I wouldnt wipe my shoes on |
| 20:00.51 | Cidan | Saint-N: She's so ugly, D: |
| 20:01.06 | Saint-N | once again you reacted to fast ;P |
| 20:01.07 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: screen shot or it didn't happen |
| 20:01.15 | Saint-N | I don't have a scanner |
| 20:01.23 | Saint-N | although it IS the internet |
| 20:01.26 | Saint-N | so... |
| 20:01.27 | Cidan | it's all over the internet |
| 20:01.30 | Cidan | just look for it |
| 20:02.14 | Saint-N | http://www.informationweek.com/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206800803 |
| 20:02.18 | Saint-N | not the boobies |
| 20:02.37 | Saint-N | appearantly new tyork magazines server crashed from the amount of traffic it got looking for the pics |
| 20:04.13 | Saint-N | http://media.nymag.com/fashion/08/spring/44247/ <-- slide show of the pics NSFW |
| 20:04.34 | sag_ich_nicht | kd3 http://pastey.net/82690 |
| 20:04.51 | ralfWORK | oh she's got those weird nipples |
| 20:04.52 | ralfWORK | I hate those |
| 20:05.14 | Saint-N | the ones with built in spy mic's? |
| 20:05.22 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 20:05.32 | Saint-N | well you did say weird |
| 20:05.33 | ralfWORK | the ones where there is no difference between areola and nipple |
| 20:05.42 | kd3 | sag_ich_nicht, got a topic you want me to title it? |
| 20:05.45 | kergoth | i don't get why people like her so much, she really isn't that attractive. good body, but face is mediocre. /shrug |
| 20:06.08 | kd3 | nvm |
| 20:06.09 | Saint-N | kergoth: nice body, ugly face, can't act |
| 20:06.12 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 20:06.15 | Saint-N | that's about it |
| 20:06.16 | kergoth | indeed |
| 20:06.16 | ralfWORK | her body is alright |
| 20:06.22 | ralfWORK | that's about it |
| 20:06.29 | sag_ich_nicht | kd3: i don't really care :P |
| 20:06.31 | ralfWORK | she doesn't have any noticable scaring |
| 20:06.34 | ralfWORK | or bullet wounds |
| 20:06.39 | Saint-N | given the choice of starring at her in a tight tshirt and jeans or say kathy bates... |
| 20:06.48 | ralfWORK | right, exactly |
| 20:06.48 | Saint-N | that's why people like her so much |
| 20:06.54 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4665495702&postId=47772994177&sid=1#0 |
| 20:07.08 | break19 | i'd much rather see carmen electra :) |
| 20:07.19 | Saint-N | liz dushku ;) |
| 20:07.24 | Saint-N | bu that's aside the point |
| 20:07.28 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks kd3 |
| 20:07.34 | sag_ich_nicht | i hope they add this |
| 20:07.37 | ralfWORK | see, that's what I'm saying |
| 20:07.39 | ralfWORK | they are hot |
| 20:07.48 | ralfWORK | lohan is just... not as ugly as my mom |
| 20:07.51 | Saint-N | what I find amusing is that all the actresses look hot and play decent parts but if you meet them for real you want to bash them with a brick til they twitch |
| 20:08.06 | Saint-N | like reese witherspoon |
| 20:08.12 | Saint-N | shes a cutie and has some good roles |
| 20:08.13 | ralfWORK | I don't like her |
| 20:08.21 | Saint-N | but seeing her on talk shows makes me want her dead |
| 20:08.22 | ralfWORK | I'd probably run her over with a car |
| 20:08.38 | Saint-N | nicole kidman on the other hand.... |
| 20:08.49 | Saint-N | I could listen and stare at her all day |
| 20:08.51 | ralfWORK | eh. don't like her, but I don't hate her |
| 20:09.02 | Saint-N | did you see golden compass? |
| 20:09.07 | ralfWORK | naw |
| 20:09.07 | Saint-N | shes such a good evil person |
| 20:09.20 | ralfWORK | I'd rather stare at jolie :P |
| 20:09.27 | Cidan | no thanks |
| 20:09.40 | Cidan | jolie is so ugly she makes my dick shrivel up |
| 20:09.44 | Cidan | DO NOT WANT |
| 20:09.52 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 20:10.00 | ralfWORK | she kinda has the opposite effect on me :P |
| 20:10.12 | Cidan | Kidman though? Christ yes. |
| 20:10.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan look http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4665495702&postId=47772994177&sid=1#0 (i know it's not wastely ACCURATE, but it gets the point across :P) |
| 20:10.40 | Fisker- | whats that about kd3? :O |
| 20:10.41 | sag_ich_nicht | (in b4 Cidan flames me for being to inaccurate) |
| 20:10.53 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker-: you should ask me that, not kd3 |
| 20:10.57 | Fisker- | no me |
| 20:11.12 | Cidan | god damn it you're an idiot |
| 20:11.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker-: it's about retarded device drivers that indirectly crash games |
| 20:11.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: i know |
| 20:11.22 | Cidan | in after I flame sag_ich_nicht for being inaccurate |
| 20:12.11 | Fisker- | so basically you just want WoW to crash and notify that the problem is more likely to be retarded device drivers or what? |
| 20:12.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: go and IMPROVE THE ACCURACY, because i cba to describe the problem in detail, and since you don't believe me anyway that's it's happening, i invite you again to move your ass to vienna and attach a debugging console to my PC to recieve proof :P |
| 20:12.17 | Cidan | no, seriously, the kernel manages the kernel pool load |
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| 20:12.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: i know |
| 20:12.42 | Cidan | it's something unrelated, imo |
| 20:13.04 | Cidan | or you can bitch to, ya know, the people who wrote the bad drivers or what ever. |
| 20:13.30 | Cidan | holy shit headache |
| 20:13.31 | Cidan | ergh |
| 20:14.07 | cladhaire | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhA5xXKB-20 |
| 20:14.12 | cladhaire | we're the fifth boat :P |
| 20:15.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: the kernel can't do shit if some memory leaking son of a bitch driver uses up all the available memory, starving the video card driver, crashing the game, and then you get a crash dump that looks like your average 0815 memory corruption from defect hardware, and unless WoW monitors the kernel pool load, it'll be hard to tell the difference :P |
| 20:15.53 | Cidan | sag_ich_nicht: I subscribe to the "fix what is broken" philosophy |
| 20:16.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: to do that, you have to find out what is broken first tho :) |
| 20:16.31 | Cidan | sag_ich_nicht: right, which isn't Blizzard's job. |
| 20:16.45 | Cidan | oh god, brb, need food |
| 20:16.48 | Cidan | also cladhaire: woo |
| 20:17.03 | cladhaire | we got bumped today |
| 20:17.11 | cladhaire | but it could have been so much worse |
| 20:17.20 | cladhaire | we held off the second crew that came up on us |
| 20:17.45 | cladhaire | and we're against the hardcore colleges :P |
| 20:18.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: companies don't work that way, if someone goes to blizzard all "QQ my WoW crashed QQ", sure, they could just go "your computer sucks" and ignore that customer, but that way they won't keep that costomer for long. now would you rather have blizzard detect errors that come from the case described above quickly, or slowly, distracting them from finding actual errors in WoW that could cause crashes? :P |
| 20:19.38 | Cidan | betcha they'll say not my problem |
| 20:20.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: then why make a tech support forum in the first place and staff it, explain that to me please :) |
| 20:21.45 | Cidan | to fix problems in your own software? coding errors in other peoples software != Blizzard's problem. They'll likely be able to maaybbeee pinpoint it |
| 20:23.54 | Saint-N | sag_ich_nicht: because people are retards |
| 20:24.27 | Saint-N | sag_ich_nicht: if you didn't have the tech support forum you would have a flood of the 80% of people that think things only happen to them in the other forums |
| 20:24.42 | Saint-N | of that 80% only 5% are capable of searching for answers themselves |
| 20:25.01 | Saint-N | the others need to be told exactly what to do and hand held through the entire process or they go away |
| 20:26.09 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:21] <Cidan> to fix problems in your own software? coding errors in other peoples software != Blizzard's problem. <--yeah, then explain to me the stickies explaining how to update drivers(other peoples software), configure software firewalls(3rd party software), etc. :P |
| 20:26.39 | Saint-N | sag_ich_nicht: because in order for THIER product to work people need THOSE things settled first |
| 20:27.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Saint-N: i ask Cidan, i am aware of that concept, thus asking kd3 to post the thread linked above |
| 20:27.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Saint-N: Cidan apparently doesn't understand it, since he doesn't seem to want that it's possible to quickly detect a problem coming from a 3rd party application |
| 20:42.04 | Saint-N | its not that it isn't possible |
| 20:42.14 | Saint-N | it's just not thier job to be in someones computer to do it |
| 20:42.26 | Saint-N | it's incredibly intrusive and I don't trust blizzard that much |
| 20:42.37 | Saint-N | protect their software sure |
| 20:43.01 | Saint-N | fuck around directly and monitor my machine for things other than protection of thier software? no so much |
| 20:43.39 | ralfWORK | let me guess; you aren't a liberal are you? ;) |
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| 20:44.28 | Saint-N | heh |
| 20:45.08 | Saint-N | I am to a degree ;P I just prefer to expose what I want when *I* want, not because omsone thinks they are doing me a favour and "protecting me" |
| 20:45.33 | ralfWORK | yea, you aren't ;) |
| 20:45.36 | Saint-N | I have the same issue with isps that block ports because they think I need them blocked to avoid virii and such |
| 20:45.52 | Saint-N | I also however believe in personal responsibilty |
| 20:45.59 | Saint-N | if I get owned, it's my own fault ;P |
| 20:46.26 | ralfWORK | we are in agreement on everyhing you've just said |
| 20:46.32 | Saint-N | I grew up skating in vancouver, a place that had public liability for accidents, you hurt yourself thts your tough shit |
| 20:46.50 | ralfWORK | just funny how pervasive politics can be |
| 20:46.52 | Saint-N | its not someone elses fault, it's yours for not being aware ;P |
| 20:48.16 | ralfWORK | I probably champion personal responsibility over all other items as far as politics are concerned |
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| 20:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | dolby-wowi: ping |
| 20:54.28 | Saint-N | don't do it dolby it's a trap! |
| 20:58.07 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:43] <Saint-N> fuck around directly and monitor my machine for things other than protection of thier software? no so much <--uh, you read the license agreement for The Warden, right? |
| 20:58.15 | sag_ich_nicht | because they can pretty much do that |
| 20:58.27 | Saint-N | sag within the limits of protecting thier software yes |
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| 20:58.44 | Saint-N | the minute the over step that though it's a completely different story |
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| 21:02.05 | |Jelly|zZz | Stomach virus might net me a day off work! WOOT! |
| 21:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man. This guy wants to PXE boot WinXP. |
| 21:03.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Goooood times. |
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| 21:10.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik|Ecole (n=shirik@155.31.174.93) |
| 21:10.44 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: I think thats only possible with WinXPe |
| 21:11.32 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:03] <ScytheBlade1> Oh man. This guy wants to PXE boot WinXP. <--that's possible, where is your problem? oO |
| 21:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: oh, it's possible with anything. If you have the RAM. |
| 21:11.49 | ScytheBlade1 | And note I don't mean the installer, he wants to full PXE boot installed clients |
| 21:11.51 | MentalPower | oh? |
| 21:12.05 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: http://syslinux.zytor.com/memdisk.php |
| 21:12.14 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: load a disk image into RAM and have at it. |
| 21:12.24 | MentalPower | oh, fair nuf |
| 21:12.48 | MentalPower | tho WinXPe has native support for livecd/pxe boots |
| 21:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | True. But let's be honest |
| 21:13.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you know anyone who has ever used it for that? |
| 21:13.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Step back |
| 21:13.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you know anyone who has used it? ;) |
| 21:13.38 | MentalPower | no, and no |
| 21:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, behold my point. :) |
| 21:13.53 | MentalPower | :) |
| 21:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus, in theory, if you want a legit copy of WinPE |
| 21:14.20 | ScytheBlade1 | You're looking at signing an OEM agreememnt with MS |
| 21:14.28 | sylvanaar_work | i think you can pxe boot to install windows |
| 21:14.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (Though it is available through other MS venues) |
| 21:14.34 | MentalPower | no, not WinPE, WinXPe |
| 21:14.41 | MentalPower | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Embedded |
| 21:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | sylvanaar_work: you can. But it either requires a windows server, or some serious knowledge |
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| 21:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | And yes, I meant *XPe |
| 21:15.01 | sylvanaar_work | right |
| 21:15.12 | MentalPower | oh, fair nuf |
| 21:15.37 | MentalPower | and the licensing prohibits its use in regular PCs |
| 21:15.43 | ScytheBlade1 | sylvanaar_work: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/PXEQuestionFlowChart.png :) |
| 21:15.46 | MentalPower | tho the line there is a bit blurry |
| 21:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 21:16.31 | MentalPower | nice flowchart |
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| 21:16.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I finally made it last night after being asked that question for the ninety billionth time |
| 21:17.03 | sylvanaar_work | clever |
| 21:17.04 | MentalPower | I like the pxelinux.cfg/C0A800 -> What? -> Install WinServer |
| 21:17.07 | MentalPower | part |
| 21:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe. I try. |
| 21:17.18 | ralfWORK | yea that's good times |
| 21:17.28 | pastamancer | I have a XP liveCD for recovering fuxed computers |
| 21:17.46 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 21:18.00 | ralfWORK | I have a linux livecd for recovering fuxed computers |
| 21:18.00 | Saint-N | do you know linux? yes. Really? |
| 21:18.23 | MentalPower | I have linux installed on a pendrive for recovering fuxed computers |
| 21:18.30 | sacarasc | i use linux and don't fux my computer |
| 21:18.34 | sacarasc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.46 | sacarasc | damn powercut 111 days ago ;( |
| 21:18.53 | Saint-N | if you're not playinf freeciv that's a waste of a computer ;) |
| 21:20.16 | ralfWORK | you know what I miss? |
| 21:20.43 | sacarasc | your youth? |
| 21:20.49 | sylvanaar_work | i want an ipv6 router for my home network |
| 21:21.13 | ralfWORK | dclient |
| 21:21.27 | ralfWORK | if you weren't running dclient, it was a waste of a computer |
| 21:21.31 | MentalPower | Linksys WRT600N + DD-WRT v24 |
| 21:22.14 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, i guess dd-wrt is what im going to have to use |
| 21:23.17 | MentalPower | well, in reality, anything that can run DD-WRT standard will do |
| 21:23.22 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 21:23.36 | MentalPower | sadly, my crappy WRT54Gv6 won't, I'm stuck with the micro builds |
| 21:23.41 | sylvanaar_work | my wrt54g yeah.... |
| 21:23.48 | sylvanaar_work | i have v8 |
| 21:23.54 | sylvanaar_work | 2mb flash ftl |
| 21:24.09 | ralfWORK | no one remembers dclient? |
| 21:24.20 | ralfWORK | was like Seti@home, but for cracking Tivo passwords :( |
| 21:24.24 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 21:24.29 | cladhaire | the little node pad on my glasses is broken |
| 21:24.31 | cladhaire | well |
| 21:24.35 | ralfWORK | or rather *the* tivo password |
| 21:24.38 | cladhaire | missing is more correct |
| 21:25.05 | sylvanaar_work | perfect excuse to get LASIK |
| 21:25.14 | cladhaire | yes, with all the money I don't have |
| 21:25.23 | cladhaire | the US government isn't even letting me take out need based loans at the moment |
| 21:25.24 | cladhaire | fuckers. |
| 21:25.35 | sylvanaar_work | hillary ftw |
| 21:25.38 | ralfWORK | wait till hillary is elected, then uncle sam will pay for it! |
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| 21:27.14 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Shirik|Ecole] by ChanServ |
| 21:27.30 | sylvanaar_work | obama=will inspire you to pay for it, mcain=?? wont care |
| 21:27.53 | Shirik|Ecole | why is it everywhere I go, I see "obama" right now |
| 21:28.03 | sylvanaar_work | the press loves him |
| 21:28.03 | Shirik|Ecole | I go to eat, CNN's on, "obama buying votes" |
| 21:28.10 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 21:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blogs.msdn.com/larryosterman/archive/2008/02/20/we-re-back-and.aspx |
| 21:28.13 | ScytheBlade1 | A hahaha |
| 21:28.14 | Shirik|Ecole | I come on IRC, sylvanaar's all "obama=will inspire you" |
| 21:28.23 | sylvanaar_work | i hate him |
| 21:28.25 | Shirik|Ecole | next we see advertisements in WoW |
| 21:28.41 | sylvanaar_work | all talk |
| 21:28.49 | Shirik|Ecole | I hate him too, but I'm a democrat |
| 21:28.54 | sylvanaar_work | so am i |
| 21:28.56 | Shirik|Ecole | which is going to cause a lot of problems, because it seems he's going to win |
| 21:29.05 | Shirik|Ecole | (the primary, that is) |
| 21:29.12 | sylvanaar_work | if he does - im voting mcain |
| 21:29.27 | sylvanaar_work | because the ultra-right hates him |
| 21:29.45 | sylvanaar_work | the enemy of my enemy |
| 21:30.20 | cladhaire | i wonder if i can get a replacement pad for my glasses |
| 21:30.24 | cladhaire | i don't really want to buy a new pair |
| 21:30.25 | Shirik|Ecole | I'll tell you something else, and this is going to sound very racist/sexist and I apologize in advance |
| 21:30.29 | cladhaire | damn ££ |
| 21:30.30 | sylvanaar_work | hillary was my dream pres. - im so upset |
| 21:30.58 | Shirik|Ecole | but if obama wins the primaries, he will probably get a lot of votes from people that just want to say they voted for the first african american president |
| 21:31.12 | Shirik|Ecole | And I'll be honest, I want that barrier broken, but I don't think he's the right one to do it |
| 21:31.14 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry |
| 21:31.28 | ralfWORK | Shirik|Ecole: I don't know why you think that sounds racist |
| 21:31.29 | sylvanaar_work | the press is giving him a free ride - no hard questions, noone can attack him because he's black, he'll be our first affirmative action pres |
| 21:32.08 | ralfWORK | I want both the WASP barrier broken |
| 21:32.22 | ralfWORK | but just like you said, it's not the right person to do it |
| 21:32.30 | cladhaire | maybe he is |
| 21:32.31 | cladhaire | but not now. |
| 21:32.39 | ralfWORK | sad thing is, obama is likely going to win |
| 21:32.50 | ralfWORK | not just the primaries, but the presidency |
| 21:32.59 | ralfWORK | well that's not the sad thing |
| 21:33.01 | cladhaire | ralfWORK: that's overstating things, to say the least |
| 21:33.06 | sylvanaar_work | because of the press - they have been brutal on hillary |
| 21:33.18 | ralfWORK | the sad thing is that if he does win, it's because of obama frenzy |
| 21:33.27 | ralfWORK | not because of any actual substance |
| 21:33.33 | ralfWORK | or his position on issues |
| 21:33.40 | ralfWORK | he'll win because it's trendy |
| 21:33.48 | ralfWORK | *that* is what makes me sick |
| 21:33.49 | cladhaire | To be honest, the problems I had with Bush were the fact that he clearly didn't have enough opinions or ideas, and peopel sat in the background pulling the strings. I fail to see how Obama is going to be any different. At least Hillary has enough political know-how and connections to surround herself with the best people possible, while still having a good thinking head on her shoulders. |
| 21:33.50 | cladhaire | Plus |
| 21:34.02 | sylvanaar_work | and black voters voting for him because he's black - thats a great reason to vote for the president |
| 21:34.07 | cladhaire | fucking fanatacism of a presidential figure is what got us where we are today, is that really a trend we should continue? |
| 21:34.26 | ralfWORK | sylvanaar_work: iirc, he's got more of a pull with younger voters than black voters |
| 21:34.28 | sylvanaar_work | we just did that with bush - christians vote for him because of faith |
| 21:34.30 | ralfWORK | but yes |
| 21:34.31 | cladhaire | the arguments continue ad nauseum |
| 21:34.39 | cladhaire | sylvanaar_work: exactly my concern |
| 21:34.41 | Shirik|Ecole | cladhaire: "where we are today" that can be a good or bad thing. Out of curiosity, which way are you looking at it? |
| 21:34.50 | cladhaire | Shirik|Ecole: bad, extremely bad. |
| 21:34.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I wanted hillary to win, but I don't think that's going to happen |
| 21:34.53 | ralfWORK | also, not to be a dick or anything |
| 21:34.55 | cladhaire | from _my_ perspective |
| 21:35.17 | ralfWORK | but comparing the people running for president against Bush is kinda silly to do |
| 21:35.20 | ralfWORK | bush isn't running again |
| 21:35.28 | Shirik|Ecole | bush is a good example of what we don't want, though |
| 21:35.28 | cladhaire | wait what? |
| 21:35.32 | cladhaire | i said nothign about that |
| 21:35.40 | cladhaire | i said bush was elected due to fanaticism |
| 21:35.43 | cladhaire | that's a bad way to elect a president |
| 21:35.47 | cladhaire | its not a fucking fan club |
| 21:35.55 | ralfWORK | amen to that |
| 21:36.02 | sylvanaar_work | right voting on thing other than merit |
| 21:36.05 | cladhaire | i don't want a puppet |
| 21:36.07 | cladhaire | right now, he is a puppet |
| 21:36.11 | cladhaire | in 4 years, he won't be |
| 21:36.18 | cladhaire | in 8 years he definitely won't be |
| 21:36.22 | Shirik|Ecole | I say we all do write-in votes for Slouken |
| 21:36.30 | sylvanaar_work | cladhaire i totally agree, in fact I say that exact thing all the time |
| 21:36.33 | cladhaire | and I absolutely think he could be the first black president, great, grand, wonderful |
| 21:36.39 | Shirik|Ecole | if we get the entire UI community to do it he could be a strong contender |
| 21:36.39 | Shirik|Ecole | imo |
| 21:36.40 | cladhaire | but that has no relevance to what we're talking about now |
| 21:36.46 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 21:36.55 | ralfWORK | Obama is incredibly charismatic |
| 21:37.05 | ralfWORK | and that will let him win |
| 21:37.17 | sylvanaar_work | the primary |
| 21:37.19 | Nolook | ralfWORK: So was Britney Spears? |
| 21:37.24 | cladhaire | yeah, stop giving him the election |
| 21:37.25 | ralfWORK | Nolook: :) |
| 21:37.25 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 21:37.31 | Shirik|Ecole | anyway, I have to run |
| 21:37.35 | ralfWORK | sylvanaar_work: I think he'll take the cake honestly |
| 21:37.39 | cladhaire | Obama is incredibly liberal on a lot of issues, and retarded on the others |
| 21:37.45 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 21:37.47 | cladhaire | I know QUITE a number of democrats who would vote for McCain |
| 21:37.50 | Shirik|Ecole | at least he's not conservative |
| 21:37.51 | ralfWORK | I think he'll be in the whitehouse come November |
| 21:37.56 | Shirik|Ecole | liberal or retarted |
| 21:37.58 | sylvanaar_work | i dont, at some point hes going to be asked real questions |
| 21:38.02 | cladhaire | and I know quite a number of republicans who won't vote for Obama |
| 21:38.08 | Shirik|Ecole | liberal > retarded > conservative :D |
| 21:38.28 | cladhaire | Shirik|Ecole: well, what I mean by that is his "liberalism" has awfully odd glass walls |
| 21:38.40 | cladhaire | but without being able to hear him answer questions, we can't push those boundries to figure out how he actually feels |
| 21:38.50 | cladhaire | He has completely and totally avoided the LGBT issue in the nation |
| 21:38.51 | Bela|work | doesn't matter anyway, my state was given the "fuck you" treatment |
| 21:38.59 | cladhaire | Bela|work: they did it to themselves, sadly |
| 21:39.02 | cladhaire | they were warned |
| 21:39.05 | sylvanaar_work | can he inspire the economy with speeches, how about inspiring our foreign policy too |
| 21:39.07 | Bela|work | I know |
| 21:39.08 | cladhaire | not that I agree with any of it, but they were warned. |
| 21:39.12 | Shirik|Ecole | Anyway, I'm going to go now, and pick up GH3 on my way home |
| 21:39.15 | Shirik|Ecole | good idea or bad idea? |
| 21:39.16 | Bela|work | If it helps, i didn't vote. |
| 21:39.16 | cladhaire | and Michigan/Florida would have gone to hilary |
| 21:39.22 | cladhaire | Shirik|Ecole: good idea |
| 21:39.31 | Bela|work | but only ebcause I don't like much of anything any of the nominees stand for |
| 21:39.54 | ralfWORK | you know it's funny how many people have said I threw away my vote |
| 21:39.56 | Shirik|Ecole | ok have fun :) |
| 21:39.57 | Nolook | All the nominees pretty much suck. |
| 21:40.03 | Bela|work | its like they all got in a room and picked topics out of a hat |
| 21:40.13 | Bela|work | there doesn't seem to be any consistently to their platforms |
| 21:40.31 | Bela|work | consistency* |
| 21:40.34 | sylvanaar_work | the dems arent touching LGBT this time - its a tool the right wing uses to get people to vote based on religion or predjudice |
| 21:41.02 | ralfWORK | think I got lost here somewhere... LGBT? |
| 21:41.09 | Bela|work | you know what pisses me off? |
| 21:41.10 | sylvanaar_work | part of the bush platform was 'vote for me if you hate gays' |
| 21:41.17 | Nolook | Lesbian Gay Bi Trans |
| 21:41.21 | ralfWORK | ohhh k |
| 21:41.29 | cladhaire | sylvanaar_work: nope, HIlary catered |
| 21:41.29 | Bela|work | Florida said they were voting early because there was a tax initiative they were hoping to beat |
| 21:41.31 | cladhaire | pretty hardcore |
| 21:41.40 | cladhaire | Barack has ignored it, and dodged it while still remaining rather offensive, imo |
| 21:41.41 | Bela|work | which didn't get beat.... |
| 21:42.17 | cladhaire | http://www.ourchart.com/node/299303 |
| 21:42.28 | cladhaire | its really well written as well, and echoes my feelings quite well |
| 21:42.47 | cladhaire | if you have any remote interest, I suggest reading it in its entirely |
| 21:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: of course, the question is, did *she* really write that? ;) |
| 21:43.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 21:43.26 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: i don't care, it was written by someone for her, and sent out to the media sources |
| 21:43.34 | cladhaire | its the thought and message that counts |
| 21:43.44 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, I was just messing around |
| 21:44.08 | sylvanaar_work | yeah - i get upset thinking about her not winning |
| 21:44.27 | Bela|work | each of them haev upsides, and downsides |
| 21:44.28 | Nolook | Hillary doesn't care either as long as she wins... |
| 21:44.30 | sylvanaar_work | i told my work that once obama gets the nomination, im going on a spa vacation |
| 21:44.38 | Bela|work | its an entirely win/lose election |
| 21:45.14 | ralfWORK | win/lose? lol |
| 21:45.22 | Nolook | lose/lose |
| 21:45.39 | sylvanaar_work | what election isnt win/lose? |
| 21:45.47 | Bela|work | sorry, probably a bad way to decribe it |
| 21:45.49 | ralfWORK | sorry, my candidate isn't one of the front runners :) |
| 21:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | "And finally, we will put an end to the failed policy of Don't Ask, Don't Tell." that's a pretty lofty goal |
| 21:46.05 | ralfWORK | it was a "loss" walking into it |
| 21:46.06 | Bela|work | what I mean is, you can pick someone because you like something they stand for, but then you compeltely hate the other stuff they stand for |
| 21:46.15 | Bela|work | so no matter who wins, I am going to feel like I lost something |
| 21:47.04 | Bela|work | then there are people like Huckabee. I still don't know what he stands for. He changes his mind depending on who asks |
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| 21:47.22 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: quite the article, if I may say so |
| 21:47.36 | cladhaire | YOU MAY! |
| 21:47.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Just how publicized was that? |
| 21:47.49 | cladhaire | Bela|work: ... he never changed his minds on the real issues |
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| 21:48.13 | cladhaire | he's just a christian devil |
| 21:48.21 | Bela|work | true |
| 21:48.21 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: it went out to almost every LGBT media outlet I've come across |
| 21:48.26 | cladhaire | even nasty ones like perezhilton.com :P |
| 21:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Did the "big media" really pick up on it? |
| 21:48.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That's my real question |
| 21:48.52 | cladhaire | not that i saw |
| 21:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's what I thought |
| 21:49.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Also explains a bit |
| 21:49.27 | cladhaire | it would have been nice if main media picked it up |
| 21:49.29 | cladhaire | but *shrug* |
| 21:49.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Also might have outright 100% killed her campaign, depending on how it was spun and by who |
| 21:49.52 | cladhaire | i think it was an attempt to not make the negative side of LGBT issues a huge part of the campaign, since that would be devestating at the moment. |
| 21:49.55 | cladhaire | yep |
| 21:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Abolishing Don't Ask, Don't Tell? That... is no small thing to suggest, especially given the media :) |
| 21:51.10 | cladhaire | yep |
| 21:51.14 | cladhaire | quite a big thing to say |
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| 21:52.04 | zenzelezz | so I decided to roll a rogue just for doing something else occasionally, and I'm staring at the talents... lots of fun stuff in the low tiers of all of them, but little that sticks out in top o_O (Probably just my lack of knowledge, but still) |
| 21:52.58 | ralfWORK | OMG SPEC HEMO |
| 21:53.06 | ralfWORK | NO NO SPEC MUT I MEAN |
| 21:54.06 | zenzelezz | ralfWORK: hehe :-p All I'll do on it is solo |
| 21:55.03 | ralfWORK | lol |
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| 21:56.23 | Fin | is there a /console command to set the camera zoom limit? |
| 21:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.38 | zenzelezz | is there a Min also? |
| 21:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Doubt it |
| 22:00.01 | sylvanaar_work | oh man - there are too many pages of comments cladhaire |
| 22:00.09 | cladhaire | for why/where? |
| 22:00.18 | sylvanaar_work | on that link you gave |
| 22:02.06 | cladhaire | he |
| 22:02.07 | cladhaire | heh |
| 22:04.39 | sylvanaar_work | well, im going to get dynasty warriors 6 and try to forget about politics for a bit |
| 22:05.19 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 22:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | New PTR patch up |
| 22:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@host86-153-94-18.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: new patch up |
| 22:10.09 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o cladhaire] by ChanServ |
| 22:10.14 | cladhaire | thanks, i was just on |
| 22:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.36 | cladhaire | apparently it LIES |
| 22:10.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, aren't you on a mac? |
| 22:10.42 | cladhaire | yay got it |
| 22:10.59 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 22:11.06 | cladhaire | why on earth did my client only join me to four channels |
| 22:12.04 | kd3 | ooh, it's out |
| 22:12.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It sure is |
| 22:12.15 | ScytheBlade1 | And I've already got it mirrored |
| 22:12.55 | kd3 | diffs on your way in a minute or so |
| 22:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo |
| 22:13.05 | ScytheBlade1 | The realms are up already |
| 22:13.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 22:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to check out my lifebloom.. |
| 22:13.14 | kd3 | wtf crazy fast |
| 22:13.29 | kd3 | ptr |
| 22:13.30 | kd3 | bah |
| 22:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, that's actually quite the nerf |
| 22:16.27 | kd3 | geez, and the huge .diffs continue... ~130K this time |
| 22:16.35 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: really? |
| 22:16.35 | ScytheBlade1 | From ticks of 199/200 to ticks of 184/185 |
| 22:16.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That's just stacked once |
| 22:17.01 | nevcairiel | well since multiple stacks only add up |
| 22:17.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Stack of 3 on the live realm: 598/599 |
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| 22:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | PTR: 553/554 |
| 22:17.47 | ScytheBlade1 | The final bloom went from 1379 to ... PTR disconnected me |
| 22:17.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ~1550 |
| 22:18.00 | kd3 | c'mon gmail... |
| 22:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, servers went down |
| 22:18.27 | kd3 | sent |
| 22:18.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Downloading.. |
| 22:18.55 | nevcairiel | 659 on ptr |
| 22:20.12 | nevcairiel | 716 .. hmm |
| 22:20.19 | nevcairiel | 8% or so |
| 22:20.26 | nevcairiel | final bloom was buffed tho |
| 22:20.28 | nevcairiel | crazy values |
| 22:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 22:20.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Still though |
| 22:20.43 | ScytheBlade1 | My lifebloom |
| 22:20.45 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.02 | nevcairiel | guess i'll compensate with more +healing in sunwell pretty fast |
| 22:21.16 | Antiarc | In fairness, Lifebloom is pretty frickin' OP :P |
| 22:21.23 | nevcairiel | SO ? :P |
| 22:21.31 | Antiarc | I'm not complaining, I like being healed |
| 22:21.34 | ScytheBlade1 | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/0.4.0.7923-7948.diff |
| 22:22.04 | nevcairiel | wonder if they fixed the bug i reported |
| 22:22.25 | Antiarc | -COMBATLOG_FILTER_UNKNOWN = COMBATLOG_OBJECT_NONE; |
| 22:22.25 | Antiarc | +COMBATLOG_FILTER_UNKNOWN_UNITS= COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TYPE_OBJECT; |
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| 22:23.31 | nevcairiel | the ui on chatframe2 looks cleaner now tho |
| 22:23.58 | kd3 | bah, crash again |
| 22:25.30 | nevcairiel | wow the chat panels got a real config ui |
| 22:25.38 | Antiarc | I really like the combat log UI now |
| 22:26.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wow |
| 22:26.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That is... overly nice |
| 22:26.45 | kd3 | still some bugs with the buttons. at least it can be redocked now |
| 22:28.17 | nevcairiel | i hope it doesnt error constantly anymore on non-enUS clients |
| 22:28.22 | kergoth | hmm, am i missing something, or is looting of items not listed in the chat config ui? |
| 22:28.27 | kergoth | i see money loot.. |
| 22:31.38 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_022008_153030.png |
| 22:32.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:33.28 | kergoth | hrm |
| 22:36.49 | kergoth | where the hell is 'item loot'.. and which file has the chat config ui, grepping is failing me |
| 22:36.49 | kergoth | heh |
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| 22:41.42 | kd3 | I can see the /rw popups, but not the /ra chat |
| 22:41.42 | kd3 | bah |
| 22:41.43 | Antiarc | kd3: Raid, Raid Leader, and Raid Warning in the chat frame config UI |
| 22:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That's... going to need changes |
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| 22:42.25 | kd3 | oh, sweet. actual window UI. was still trying to find it in the popup menu |
| 22:42.42 | Antiarc | It doesn' |
| 22:42.43 | kergoth | why's there still stuff under filters in the tab's right click menu, when its in the settings window? |
| 22:42.44 | Antiarc | doesn't persist through reloads, either |
| 22:42.48 | kergoth | heh, fun |
| 22:42.50 | Antiarc | There are gonna be some pissed-off raiders tonight :P |
| 22:42.55 | ScytheBlade1 | No kidding |
| 22:43.59 | Lopeppeppy | What's broken? |
| 22:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything! |
| 22:44.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Hop on the PTR |
| 22:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:09 < ScytheBlade1> http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/PTR/WoW-0.4.0.7923-to-0.4.0.7948-enUS-patch.exe enUS PC |
| 22:44.37 | Antiarc | Lopeppeppy: Raid, Raid Leader, and Raid Warn are turned off of ChatFrame1 by default |
| 22:44.44 | Antiarc | And turning them on doesn't persist across reloads |
| 22:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | {triangle} is broken, as is /rw in general when it comes to the {star}, etc. tags |
| 22:46.18 | Antiarc | +function IsCombatLog(frame) +if ( frame == ChatFrame2 ) then +return true; +else +return false; +end +end |
| 22:46.19 | Antiarc | Gah |
| 22:46.24 | Antiarc | Gaaaah. |
| 22:46.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ........ |
| 22:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, nice and interesting, Antiarc. I'll keep an eye on it as time goes on, I ASSUME that won't make it live. |
| 22:47.20 | nevcairiel | its probably still a workaround until you can actually assign combatlog controls to any chatframe |
| 22:47.25 | kd3 | whee, broke UIParent. can't get to the main menu or any other frames |
| 22:47.33 | nevcairiel | kd3: hat that happen too |
| 22:47.39 | nevcairiel | just by clicking in the combatlog |
| 22:47.55 | nevcairiel | hat=had |
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| 22:59.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Boom |
| 22:59.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I didn't have Molten Armor up right then |
| 22:59.54 | Maldivia | hah... just found a screenshot from when we could have muliple worldframes :) |
| 23:00.00 | Antiarc | Heh, okay |
| 23:00.09 | Industrial | Maldivia: link! |
| 23:00.14 | kd3 | bah, crash #4 |
| 23:00.21 | Tuller | mwahahaha |
| 23:00.27 | Maldivia | Industrial: http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/worldframex2.jpg and x4 |
| 23:00.40 | Industrial | ha fun |
| 23:00.49 | Maldivia | and damn I had an ugly UI at that time |
| 23:00.55 | Industrial | thats great |
| 23:00.57 | Industrial | rear view cam |
| 23:01.18 | Maldivia | yeah, someone on the EU forums asked for a rear view mirror, and dusted up those screnshots :) |
| 23:01.25 | Industrial | oh thats so imba |
| 23:01.40 | Industrial | run in first person, have one zomed out max above your head and a reafr view cam |
| 23:01.53 | Industrial | so you have a close, overhead and nasty-roguesy-stab-thingy-cam |
| 23:02.39 | Maldivia | going through the screenshot arvhive... there are some weird pictures :) |
| 23:03.57 | Antiarc | So. |
| 23:04.04 | Antiarc | Molten Shields can proc Impact on ranged targets. |
| 23:04.18 | Maldivia | would guess so... |
| 23:04.59 | kd3 | whee |
| 23:05.03 | kd3 | think I need to respec |
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| 23:13.40 | Antiarc | Haha, Furi just rode past me |
| 23:15.09 | ckknight | does anyone have the newest ptr framexml diff? |
| 23:15.58 | kd3 | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/0.4.0.7923-7948.diff |
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| 23:19.32 | ckknight | thank you |
| 23:22.30 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.40 | Maldivia | grr... I'd wish they would lift the hardcoded link to ChatFrame2 for the combatlog |
| 23:22.45 | kd3 | at least, that's what I'm hearing from this phone call I'm listening in on |
| 23:23.36 | sag_ich_nicht | kd3 wait what |
| 23:23.39 | sag_ich_nicht | kd3 what are you doing |
| 23:24.19 | sag_ich_nicht | did you hack into blizzards voip D: D: D: |
| 23:24.25 | Fin | Nolook: thanks btw! |
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| 23:26.03 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 23:26.06 | sag_ich_nicht | kd3 what are you doing |
| 23:26.10 | sag_ich_nicht | explain yourself |
| 23:26.23 | Antiarc | Uhhhh. |
| 23:26.24 | kd3 | friend called me and patched me in on a conversation he got conferenced in on |
| 23:26.36 | Antiarc | No stamina is a horrible idea given the amount of splash damage Blizzard throws around |
| 23:29.11 | kd3 | ah, I'm glad I've got a "kill wine" shortcut on my hotbar |
| 23:30.16 | sag_ich_nicht | [00:26] <kd3> friend called me and patched me in on a conversation he got conferenced in on <--what friend and how did he get conferenced in |
| 23:30.32 | sag_ich_nicht | or, in other words, was there phreaking involved? :O |
| 23:30.57 | kd3 | no. friend's boss is in an uberguild with loads of dev contacts |
| 23:32.49 | sag_ich_nicht | oic |
| 23:35.19 | Antiarc | kd3: Did they offer any explaination for non-caster classes? |
| 23:35.27 | kd3 | no |
| 23:35.35 | Antiarc | I mean, the offensive stats are nice and all, but dead rogues do 0 DPS :( |
| 23:36.05 | Antiarc | Hahahah |
| 23:36.11 | Antiarc | The rogue belt has a +3 stamina socket bonus |
| 23:38.00 | mikma | Antiarc: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11496.msg182400#new <- muahahaa |
| 23:39.03 | Antiarc | Hehe, okay |
| 23:39.12 | Antiarc | I just copy/paste/updated the old TOCs >_> |
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| 23:42.19 | Cide | mikma: to whoever posted that |
| 23:42.24 | Cide | thanks |
| 23:43.33 | Antiarc | Haha. My wife says I was bitching at people for bad code design in my sleep last night. |
| 23:43.52 | Cide | Antiarc: nice |
| 23:43.58 | Cide | you're my hero |
| 23:45.11 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc |
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| 23:45.18 | sag_ich_nicht | 2.4 PTR KTM build is out |
| 23:45.27 | sag_ich_nicht | now you will bitch in your sleep all week long! |
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| 23:48.08 | Antiarc | sag_ich_nicht: Did you see my screenshot? |
| 23:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: you should read the KTM code... or compare it |
| 23:48.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but that wasn't against the 2.4 build of KTM that is out |
| 23:48.24 | Antiarc | Already have, heh |
| 23:48.30 | Antiarc | Ooh, new build? |
| 23:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | 2.4! |
| 23:48.37 | Antiarc | I saw that one |
| 23:48.42 | Antiarc | That's what the screenshot was |
| 23:49.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Ahh |
| 23:49.45 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_021908_114002.jpg <-- KTM 2.4 |
| 23:50.27 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: nope |
| 23:50.40 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 23:50.58 | Cide | flawed test data |
| 23:51.04 | Antiarc | That's after about 17 minutes of combat |
| 23:51.06 | Cide | do it in a raid |
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| 23:51.11 | sag_ich_nicht | lmao |
| 23:51.14 | Antiarc | When I have a raid, I will :) |
| 23:51.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc did you skim the new KTM code? |
| 23:51.44 | Antiarc | Yeah |
| 23:51.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan found something very "brillian" |
| 23:51.49 | sag_ich_nicht | t |
| 23:51.53 | Antiarc | Oh? |
| 23:51.55 | Cide | the results may be the same, but that screenshot says NOTHING about the performance when it matters |
| 23:52.19 | Antiarc | Cide: Certainly. It's more just to illustrate that KTM still chews resources like nobody's business. |
| 23:52.20 | Cide | so posting that is pretty childish if you ask me, but I guess it has some revelance |
| 23:52.23 | art3mis | antiarc also has it hard coded to add 1000 to all ktm results ;P |
| 23:52.35 | Antiarc | ie, "the major issues that were around a year ago are still around" |
| 23:53.19 | Cide | wait |
| 23:53.31 | Cide | you're measuring a raid addon's performance solo |
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| 23:53.36 | Cide | nice job there |
| 23:53.42 | Josh_Borke | PWNED |
| 23:53.43 | Antiarc | Well, compare it against Threat-2.0, which is also a raid addon. |
| 23:53.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: http://wowi.pastey.net/82688 |
| 23:53.50 | sag_ich_nicht | brilliant, ain't it? |
| 23:53.54 | Cide | Antiarc: but when does its performance matter? |
| 23:54.07 | Antiarc | Anywhere yoiu want the best framerate? |
| 23:54.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide just look at that pastey. |
| 23:54.17 | sag_ich_nicht | then stop argueing. |
| 23:54.23 | sag_ich_nicht | because that pastey says all |
| 23:54.29 | Cide | Antiarc: it's a raid addon. you use it in raids |
| 23:54.31 | Josh_Borke | no it doesn't |
| 23:54.37 | Cide | sag_ich_nicht: I haven't looked at it yet |
| 23:54.42 | Josh_Borke | it says in that specific spot he uses a bad design |
| 23:54.52 | Antiarc | Well, I'll be happy to test it in a raid when I can get one |
| 23:54.53 | sag_ich_nicht | Josh_Borke just skim the rest of KTM |
| 23:54.59 | Guillotine | sag: that isn't the worst |
| 23:55.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Josh_Borke it's all horribly coded |
| 23:55.03 | Cide | sag_ich_nicht: but do understand that all I'm saying is that the screenshot says nothing about the performance of the addon in a raid |
| 23:55.04 | Josh_Borke | no, i already know that it's poorly coded |
| 23:55.06 | Guillotine | it checks the user's class EVERY frame |
| 23:55.12 | Antiarc | Cide: KTM abuses OnUpdate like nobody's business. |
| 23:55.17 | Guillotine | in case you became a rogue when you were a hunter last frame |
| 23:55.20 | Antiarc | It avoids event handling where ever possible |
| 23:55.26 | Antiarc | And instead just checks for values on a set timer |
| 23:55.38 | Antiarc | So it runs a ton of code every single frame |
| 23:55.39 | Cide | Antiarc: who the fuck cares. if you want to post a screenshot trying to ridicule the addon, do it right next time |
| 23:55.45 | Cide | i.e. in a scenario where it matters |
| 23:55.50 | Josh_Borke | who the fuck cares if it's poorly coded? |
| 23:56.05 | Josh_Borke | you are NOT going to convince joe user because you give them a screenshot or you tell them it is poorly coded |
| 23:56.06 | kergoth | personally, i don't want KTM hosing my framerate when solo, but maybe cide's into that sort of thing |
| 23:56.09 | sag_ich_nicht | screenshots are serious business, yo |
| 23:56.21 | Cide | kergoth: you're completely missing the point. way to go. |
| 23:56.24 | Guillotine | Josh: people don't like 5 FPS in the middle of Tidewalker |
| 23:56.27 | Cide | look |
| 23:56.28 | Guillotine | They just don't know whats doing it |
| 23:56.32 | kergoth | i thought the point was you being a jackass |
| 23:56.34 | kergoth | did i miss something? |
| 23:56.36 | kergoth | oops. |
| 23:56.39 | sag_ich_nicht | no, he isn't, Cide, it already fucks your framerate badly while solo |
| 23:56.40 | Cide | no :) |
| 23:56.48 | Cide | I'm not saying KTM is a great addon, in fact I've never used it |
| 23:56.52 | Cide | nor have I used omen or threat |
| 23:57.03 | Josh_Borke | (Cide is too leetsauce) ;-P |
| 23:57.12 | Cide | but since apparently hating it is the new thing to do, at least do it right guys |
| 23:57.17 | Antiarc | Well |
| 23:57.20 | kergoth | your comments about it being a raid addon seem to imply it doesnt function when not in a raid, which is not the case |
| 23:57.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide it's not a new thing Cidan |
| 23:57.25 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 23:57.26 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide |
| 23:57.29 | kergoth | its inefficiency affects play outside of a raid as well |
| 23:57.30 | Antiarc | Should a raid addon be eating exorbitant amounts of CPU when I'm -not- in a raid? |
| 23:57.36 | Cide | as an addon author I'm pretty ashamed to sit here and watch people flame others' addons |
| 23:57.43 | Cide | but whatever. |
| 23:57.44 | Josh_Borke | why can't i grep this string properly? I want to match "BugID: 33" and not "BugID: 3a" |
| 23:57.45 | sag_ich_nicht | ^what antiarc said |
| 23:57.46 | sag_ich_nicht | ^what antiarc said |
| 23:57.48 | sag_ich_nicht | :> |
| 23:57.57 | Cide | Antiarc: I never said it should. it's really stupid. |
| 23:58.03 | Antiarc | Cide: There's...a lot of history with KTM. Lots of people went to Kenco and said "Let us help you make it better" and he collectively told us all to fuck off. |
| 23:58.06 | Cide | CTRA does it too. does that mean I should be flamed? |
| 23:58.12 | Cide | hell no it doesn't |
| 23:58.22 | Josh_Borke | cide: but you should be flamed regardless, no? |
| 23:58.27 | Cide | Josh_Borke: sure |
| 23:58.30 | kergoth | threat-2.0 competes with ktm, he's perfectly within his rights to show his advantage over the competition. |
| 23:58.33 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide: actually i'll flame CTRA all day long if i'm bored |
| 23:58.46 | Josh_Borke | Antiarc: if you're referring to the curse gaming debacle, i would not say it is as simple as that |
| 23:58.48 | sag_ich_nicht | what fucking competition there is no profit here please kindly diaf |
| 23:58.51 | sag_ich_nicht | jesus christ |
| 23:59.03 | acemo | flaming is cool |
| 23:59.05 | kergoth | if you think competition is limited to moneymaking ventures, you're sadly mistaken |
| 23:59.13 | Josh_Borke | someone help me with my grep problem |
| 23:59.18 | sag_ich_nicht | kergoth: profit != money |
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| 23:59.28 | Antiarc | Josh_Borke: %d+ |
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| 23:59.33 | Antiarc | Or is this not WoW? |
| 23:59.35 | Cide | kergoth: I agree |
| 23:59.37 | Antiarc | PCRE? |
| 23:59.47 | Josh_Borke | antiarc: literally grep |
| 23:59.54 | Josh_Borke | 2.5.1 |
| 23:59.56 | sag_ich_nicht | kergoth: profit is anything that profits you. :P |
