| 00:00.09 | |Jelly| | Especially considering it never fails that I'll give a rating ... and they'll get asshurt for me simply giving my opinion. |
| 00:00.10 | Antiarc | http://elitistjerks.com/attachments/f15/a2016d1203723646-2_4_ptr_patch_notes/wowscrnshot022208182313xn7.jpg |
| 00:00.16 | Crysli | Found it. |
| 00:00.38 | oreth | what's up, guys? |
| 00:00.39 | mikma | requires account |
| 00:00.41 | mikma | bastartsl |
| 00:00.42 | zenzelezz | hate forums that require login |
| 00:00.46 | |Jelly| | same |
| 00:00.54 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 00:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That screenshot is WIN |
| 00:01.31 | |Jelly| | tinypic imo |
| 00:02.08 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/wowscrnshot022208182313xn7.jpg |
| 00:02.09 | Antiarc | Try that one |
| 00:02.25 | zenzelezz | O_O |
| 00:03.23 | art3mis | http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildingbig/tunnel/challenge/tools/index.html |
| 00:04.05 | zenzelezz | Hogger was getting old, so they replaced him |
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| 00:04.15 | art3mis | kaso they're playing an emu ;) |
| 00:04.28 | art3mis | and mucking with scale/skinning |
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| 00:04.35 | Nechckn | art3mis that is my new WoW replacement! |
| 00:04.52 | art3mis | Nechckn: the tunnel challenge? |
| 00:05.01 | Nechckn | art3mis indeed |
| 00:05.12 | art3mis | heh yeah part of me wants to go dig big holes too |
| 00:05.21 | art3mis | asdly i live in new york so they're mosly dug already ;P |
| 00:05.23 | Nechckn | art3mis the challenge.. the excitement |
| 00:05.46 | art3mis | i wonder how you'd convince rats tat yer tunnel is the bestest though |
| 00:05.49 | Nechckn | yeah... you'll have to come a bit more south where there is still room to burrow |
| 00:06.01 | art3mis | heh or i could go to staen island |
| 00:06.04 | art3mis | staten |
| 00:06.09 | art3mis | and root around ing arbage ;P |
| 00:07.06 | Nechckn | at least you could ride a barge first, then go play surf and turf |
| 00:07.23 | Falcon213 | I can only do IsSpellInRange with spells I can cast, correct? |
| 00:08.32 | Falcon213 | nvm |
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| 00:15.24 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 00:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | HOT SPICY REALM FORUM DRAMA |
| 00:16.13 | |Jelly| | kek |
| 00:16.18 | Shirik | where where |
| 00:16.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4822043963&postId=47753334744&sid=1 |
| 00:18.26 | Shirik | omg wallotext |
| 00:18.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:18.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It's some pretty epic drama |
| 00:20.47 | foxlit | Could someone please post my bug report on the forums? :) |
| 00:22.11 | Kirkburn | Mr Messenger from Blizzard say: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#BlizzCast_Q.26A_Questions_Needed.21 |
| 00:22.20 | foxlit | [Reading it would be awesome, too -- perhaps I'm terribly misguided] |
| 00:22.33 | foxlit | http://foxlit.pastey.net/82794 |
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| 00:24.03 | Falcon213 | so does anyone know the max distance for a secure button targeting an enemy? |
| 00:25.12 | Shirik | uh |
| 00:25.16 | Shirik | as long as you can see them? |
| 00:25.18 | MentalPower | ckknight: still looking for the raw exe? |
| 00:25.38 | Shirik | Blizzard claims that's 100 yards but it actually seems to vary upon a lot of factors, including server load |
| 00:25.46 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.46 | Shirik | s/100/200/ |
| 00:25.48 | Antiarc | guid = UnitGUID("unit") |
| 00:25.50 | Antiarc | Returns a string representing a unique identifier for the given unit. This is the same string that is used in the combat log to identify a unit. |
| 00:25.53 | Antiarc | YEs |
| 00:25.53 | |Jelly| | Musical conversation in trade chat is priceless. |
| 00:25.54 | Falcon213 | kk, that's what I was looking for, thanks Shirik |
| 00:25.55 | Antiarc | YES |
| 00:25.57 | Antiarc | ysadgajdfgkal;sdgnadsl;knafgalsasd' |
| 00:25.59 | Antiarc | YES |
| 00:26.03 | Shirik | ~calm Antiarc |
| 00:26.03 | purl | ACTION sooths Antiarc, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Antiarc down. |
| 00:26.17 | Antiarc | I am SO HAPPY rightn ow. |
| 00:26.20 | Shirik | and yeah that's kinda nice |
| 00:26.27 | Falcon213 | lol yeah I can't wait for that |
| 00:26.40 | kd3 | whee world server crash |
| 00:27.09 | Antiarc | I am so happy right now |
| 00:27.11 | Antiarc | You have no idea |
| 00:27.31 | Kalroth | Antiarc :D |
| 00:27.40 | kd3 | oh wow. damn. that's awesome |
| 00:28.03 | Kalroth | Antiarc: time to sex Omen up then! |
| 00:28.38 | Antiarc | Indeeeeed. |
| 00:28.49 | Kalroth | So basically you only need to target something to get the GUID? |
| 00:28.55 | Kalroth | Or even hover mouse over them? |
| 00:29.02 | MentalPower | basically |
| 00:29.09 | ckknight | MentalPower: no, but thank you |
| 00:29.20 | Falcon213 | Shirik: sometimes the unit is in range for the button though, but returns "Unknown" for name and 0 for maxhp and hp, any idea why? |
| 00:29.28 | MentalPower | ckknight: k, I just finished getting patched up, was going to upload if you still needed it |
| 00:30.00 | Antiarc | Kalroth: Even a mouseover will work. |
| 00:30.37 | |pez| | Oh, ffs, computer, I am not out of RAM damnit! |
| 00:31.21 | Falcon213 | nvm, doesn't matter.. I'll just filter out units with name Unknown |
| 00:31.33 | |pez| | or, actually, ffs PHOTOSHOP, I am not out of RAM >___> |
| 00:35.10 | MentalPower | Falcon213: thats cause the client has not received all the info for that unit from the server |
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| 00:35.27 | MentalPower | usually happens when the thing just spawned, or you're in an extra-laggy connection |
| 00:35.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | holy crap |
| 00:35.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | this projector |
| 00:35.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | is so crisp |
| 00:35.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | D: |
| 00:36.15 | Maldivia | wee...OpenToFrame fixed :) |
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| 00:37.49 | art3mis | thats what SHE said |
| 00:38.47 | Antiarc | Where's Yoshi? I need to buy him one Internet Beer. |
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| 00:39.49 | art3mis | anyone here run thier companies mail servers? |
| 00:39.53 | art3mis | and have exchange? |
| 00:40.05 | JoshBorke | i use exchange |
| 00:40.09 | JoshBorke | i may or may not be able to help |
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| 00:41.02 | Valaron|Work | Bah. |
| 00:41.43 | Antiarc | eee. EEEEE. |
| 00:42.06 | art3mis | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/tpa/409930561.html |
| 00:42.22 | art3mis | JoshBorke: do you do email scrubbing on it? |
| 00:42.57 | art3mis | i need an inhouse solution to basically filter all spam/virii/rbl's BEFORE it hits the exchange server and bes grabs it and sends it off unfiltered |
| 00:43.03 | art3mis | any ideas? |
| 00:43.13 | art3mis | opensource and nix based being preferable |
| 00:43.34 | JoshBorke | sorry, we use a baracuda spam filter and mcafee virus scan |
| 00:43.44 | |Jelly| | art3mis: That's ... amazing. |
| 00:44.00 | art3mis | |Jelly|: aint it though? |
| 00:44.16 | art3mis | so all done after it hits the machine eh? |
| 00:44.21 | art3mis | you dont have BES do ya |
| 00:46.05 | sag_ich_nicht | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/67184 proof of microsofts failure at everything. |
| 00:46.17 | Nechckn | Postini 3-25 per user |
| 00:46.21 | Nechckn | Google bought 'em |
| 00:46.36 | Nechckn | art3mis at least worth looking into |
| 00:48.22 | Nechckn | BES is sort of grabby, for lack of a better word, so that works well for one of my clients- they use Lotus/BES but same idea |
| 00:48.28 | art3mis | yeah postini is out of my hands though |
| 00:48.40 | Nechckn | kk... lemme think. |
| 00:48.57 | art3mis | and i dont wanna incurr another blot, plus thier test the service out plan turned into a sales call where i didnt even get to try the program |
| 00:49.12 | foxlit | sin: 3.11? |
| 00:49.19 | foxlit | They were probably starved for screen space :P |
| 00:49.30 | art3mis | Nechckn: im prolly gonna screw around with postfix this weekend |
| 00:49.35 | Nechckn | Ha- I hate that! it's like don't call me, I'll call YOU *If* I'm interested. |
| 00:49.44 | art3mis | appearantly yu can do all that with a special config of it clam and smapassassin |
| 00:49.51 | art3mis | yeah |
| 00:50.03 | art3mis | "sign up for a free trial" 2 days later sales call |
| 00:50.22 | sag_ich_nicht | foxlit: it's still in XP |
| 00:50.25 | sag_ich_nicht | fyi |
| 00:50.30 | Guillotine | anybody know of an updated 'ArenaPointer'? |
| 00:50.31 | art3mis | i told the guy that free trial doesnt mean you call me, and that i'd rather do it opensource than have to pay someoe that doesnt understand the concept of "free trial" |
| 00:50.41 | foxlit | "APPLIES TO" |
| 00:50.44 | foxlit | no XP there |
| 00:51.19 | Nechckn | art3mis yeah, I'd surely not use the ones that like to play that game- high pressure is not something I do, nor am fond of. |
| 00:51.32 | sag_ich_nicht | foxlit: go and load up an xp machine, go run, calc, check if the problem is still there |
| 00:51.36 | sag_ich_nicht | guess what it is |
| 00:51.43 | foxlit | I see a better problem |
| 00:51.51 | foxlit | pi -> factorial -> factorial -> factorial... |
| 00:52.08 | foxlit | "The requested operation may take a very long time to complete. ..." |
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| 00:52.43 | Antiarc | Guillotine: The trunk one doesn't work for you? |
| 00:52.50 | foxlit | does get to 4e+25345, though |
| 00:54.10 | Guillotine | Antiarc: giving different values than the armory :( |
| 00:54.25 | Antiarc | Hrm. |
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| 00:55.48 | Nechckn | art3mis give a yell if you figure something out, I'd be interested to know. =) |
| 00:56.40 | art3mis | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/bos/533096562.html |
| 00:57.05 | art3mis | Nechckn: well i have found a few tuts using postfix and the like, gonna experiment with em this weekend and see how it goes |
| 00:57.21 | art3mis | basically a clean test and forward the greylist type |
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| 00:58.31 | art3mis | http://www.break.com/index/girl_caught_stripping_by_mom.html <-- black barred the boobies so sorta sfw |
| 00:58.44 | Gnarfoz | needs nsfw version |
| 00:59.10 | kd3 | damn it... get stable, PvE |
| 00:59.51 | Shirik | omg |
| 00:59.55 | Shirik | that's hilarious |
| 01:00.03 | Shirik | her mom just starts dancing back there |
| 01:01.54 | JoshBorke | did you know there is a clock that chimes the hour in karaZ |
| 01:01.55 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 01:02.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 01:02.14 | art3mis | http://lifehacker.com/358208/seamlessly-run-linux-apps-on-your-windows-desktop |
| 01:04.12 | art3mis | too bad its all gayed up with kde |
| 01:04.14 | art3mis | ;) |
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| 01:05.30 | Tuller | so is the new interface options thingy resizable in a nice way? |
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| 01:07.09 | JoshBorke | tuller: no |
| 01:07.15 | Tuller | boo |
| 01:07.17 | JoshBorke | Tuller: you can use the mod i wrote to make it resizeable |
| 01:07.19 | JoshBorke | and movable |
| 01:07.35 | foxlit | Is that a good idea? |
| 01:07.37 | JoshBorke | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/InterfaceOptionsOptions |
| 01:07.47 | JoshBorke | or something like that |
| 01:07.47 | art3mis | so lets see, this pc now is a nix partition that can run windows, a windows part that can run nix a leopard part that can run nix and windows apps |
| 01:07.55 | art3mis | thats kinna neat |
| 01:08.55 | art3mis | <|nikomo|> now Vista says it can take a couple of minutes to share a folder that contains absolutely nothing |
| 01:08.56 | art3mis | <|nikomo|> XP was just click and go.. |
| 01:09.16 | art3mis | <|nikomo|> still booting up sharing... god.. |
| 01:09.16 | art3mis | <|nikomo|> fuck it |
| 01:09.16 | art3mis | <|nikomo|> I'd level a char from 1 to 70, wait for WLK and get a DK up to 80 and the 70char to 80 in the time it takes to set this up |
| 01:09.16 | art3mis | <|nikomo|> sigh, back to wow |
| 01:09.27 | art3mis | heh |
| 01:09.33 | kd3 | whee, mage with a ravager pet |
| 01:09.42 | art3mis | ravager pet? |
| 01:09.43 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ? |
| 01:09.51 | art3mis | combat pets for everyone?! |
| 01:09.58 | kd3 | ya |
| 01:09.59 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Discovering_Your_Roots |
| 01:10.54 | art3mis | is it a timed pet? |
| 01:10.57 | art3mis | like the yeti? |
| 01:11.04 | kd3 | read my notes near the bottom of the page |
| 01:11.24 | art3mis | how is it temp if not time limited? |
| 01:11.25 | |Jelly| | So one of my guild's new recruits ... just got suspended for three days. Hmm. |
| 01:11.31 | Tuller | I think the question to be would be to figure out which command I don't need of: set, save, copy, and delete for profiles |
| 01:11.41 | kd3 | it'll despawn as soon as you mount up and fly away |
| 01:11.43 | art3mis | only usable 3 times a day? |
| 01:11.47 | art3mis | oh |
| 01:11.51 | art3mis | but you can call it back? |
| 01:12.04 | kd3 | if you loot another gland and use it on another ravager |
| 01:12.10 | art3mis | oh neat |
| 01:12.18 | art3mis | so its sorta like the piggies |
| 01:12.30 | art3mis | only you can actually use it for more than truffles |
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| 01:12.52 | kd3 | kinda. dunno if it's possible to get the pet off of the ledge, but it may be doable if you stick to land mounts in outland |
| 01:12.53 | art3mis | is it any good in a fight? |
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| 01:13.08 | kd3 | it's got taunt, standard melee's around 300 or so |
| 01:13.22 | art3mis | mmm shadow priest with a damage pet |
| 01:19.12 | art3mis | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v61/akane2299/IGN/Blog/FcupCookie.jpg |
| 01:19.42 | kd3 | whee for breaking the rendering engine in new and exciting ways: http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7198/broken1ay0.jpg http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6914/broken2nr9.jpg http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7589/broken3nm1.jpg http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/316/broken4jh7.jpg |
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| 01:20.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 01:20.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You mean that |
| 01:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | *meant |
| 01:20.19 | art3mis | im telling |
| 01:21.55 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKlv-Ps-ug0&feature=related |
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| 01:22.30 | Corrodias | how are you breaking it, kd3? |
| 01:22.41 | kd3 | ported from IQD to shat |
| 01:22.47 | kd3 | then flew to nagrand before everything loaded |
| 01:22.55 | Corrodias | oops |
| 01:22.59 | kd3 | and lol at mini-durn in nagrand |
| 01:23.40 | Esamynn|Work | haha |
| 01:23.55 | Falcon213 | http://wowi.pastey.net/82800 << re-wrote this function and now secure buttons don't target.. |
| 01:24.03 | Xinhuan | Wobin |
| 01:24.10 | Xinhuan | i just reported 36 spammers in /2 ;p |
| 01:24.18 | Xinhuan | about 30 are from AD and 6 from BR lolz |
| 01:24.21 | Falcon213 | but the SetAttributes on them are the same |
| 01:28.49 | Esamynn|Work | From the PTR Patch notes: "Non-corporeal Undead and Mechanical creatures are now susceptible to bleed effects." how the hell does that make any sense at all? |
| 01:29.29 | Guillotine | shut up, don't question it |
| 01:30.06 | Guillotine | its a stealth buff to ferals :P |
| 01:30.10 | Falcon213 | if they can bleed, they should be able to be polymorphed too imo |
| 01:30.15 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 01:30.19 | Lopeppeppy | They are bleeding eternal essence and oil! |
| 01:30.24 | art3mis | http://www.deepthroatenergy.com/ |
| 01:30.26 | Esamynn|Work | HAHAHAHA |
| 01:30.34 | art3mis | was only a matter of time i suppose |
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| 01:35.45 | kd3 | here's my bug report on the forums, btw: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4822424364&sid=1 |
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| 01:37.20 | Corrodias | oh yeah, what's IQD? |
| 01:37.27 | kd3 | the Isle of Quel'Danas |
| 01:39.36 | Shirik | kd3: I especially like your minimap |
| 01:40.25 | kd3 | why thank you |
| 01:41.04 | Esamynn|Work | kd3: HEATHEN!!!! |
| 01:41.11 | Esamynn|Work | ~whalenuke kd3 |
| 01:41.12 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around kd3 with his mind powers. |
| 01:41.13 | Shirik | are warlocks seriously complaining about life tap? |
| 01:41.15 | Shirik | like wtf |
| 01:41.20 | Shirik | how does that even affect them except in pvp |
| 01:41.41 | Cide | uh |
| 01:41.44 | Cide | it does affect them a lot |
| 01:41.44 | Lopeppeppy | Warlocks are about PVP? |
| 01:41.52 | Shirik | how? |
| 01:42.00 | Shirik | So they have to life tap a few extra times |
| 01:42.03 | Shirik | bleh |
| 01:42.10 | |Jelly| | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 01:42.11 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 01:42.12 | Cide | x% health turns into x% mana means that if you have more health than mana (which basically all warlocks have), you lose a lot more now than previously |
| 01:42.42 | Cide | and any time spent life tapping is time not spent dpsing, so more life tapping time = less dps |
| 01:43.02 | Shirik | wrt the first point |
| 01:43.04 | Cide | I don't have an opinion on the change but it's understandable that people are upset |
| 01:43.08 | Shirik | that just means healers have to pay more attention to you |
| 01:43.25 | Cide | Shirik: which you can't |
| 01:43.32 | Cide | besides, afflocks take care of themselves |
| 01:43.42 | Cide | it'll just take them a lot longer to do so now |
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| 01:43.56 | Cide | and life tapping all of your mana back means you'll sit at REALLY LOW HEALTH now |
| 01:44.02 | Shirik | haha wait a sec |
| 01:44.04 | Shirik | so |
| 01:44.12 | Shirik | the more health a warlock has, the more health he loses per life tap? |
| 01:44.16 | Cide | yes |
| 01:44.24 | Cide | as far as I understand the change, anyway |
| 01:44.28 | Shirik | with warlocks one of their primary attributes being stamina? |
| 01:44.29 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:44.35 | Cide | Shirik: yes... |
| 01:44.42 | Shirik | now it's a little questionable |
| 01:44.49 | Cide | yes... :P |
| 01:45.00 | Cide | but warlocks can cry imo |
| 01:46.03 | Shirik | I do like this comment though |
| 01:46.04 | Shirik | "Stop screwing with classes that aren't broken. " |
| 01:46.07 | Shirik | That made me laugh |
| 01:47.08 | Cide | haha, yeah |
| 01:48.45 | kd3 | at least they pust stam back on T6 |
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| 01:50.17 | Shirik | kd3 you use linux |
| 01:50.26 | kd3 | fedora 4 lyfe |
| 01:50.27 | Shirik | what does it mean if when you run top, one of the rows has <defunct> next to it? |
| 01:50.46 | kd3 | it's a process that's died but hasn't gotten properly killed |
| 01:50.47 | Corrodias | it means your computer is dead |
| 01:50.54 | Shirik | so a zombie? |
| 01:50.58 | kd3 | more or less |
| 01:51.31 | Shirik | But it'sn ot really something bad (unless it's all over teh place) yeah? |
| 01:51.43 | kd3 | unless you have a few thousand, it's not a big deal |
| 01:51.52 | Shirik | well... I had 1 >< |
| 01:51.56 | Shirik | and now 0 |
| 01:52.16 | Shirik | thanks |
| 01:52.49 | Corrodias | if you get enough to fill up the process list, bad things can happen |
| 01:52.52 | Shirik | vi ./update.xml |
| 01:52.55 | Shirik | >.> |
| 01:53.54 | art3mis | he's only saying that because they'll start moaning and saying braaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnsssssssss |
| 01:54.00 | art3mis | they're mostly harmless though |
| 01:54.02 | kd3 | geez, this is a really bad build with all of the crashes and restarts... |
| 01:54.12 | kd3 | how'd qa let it get out the door? |
| 01:54.24 | art3mis | so they could test item and gold dupes ;P |
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| 01:55.46 | |pez| | right, this is weird. |
| 01:55.57 | |pez| | IE and firefox refuses to show a background image in one of my divs... |
| 01:56.06 | |pez| | Opera shows it just fine. |
| 01:56.12 | art3mis | opera is a cheater ;P |
| 01:56.27 | |pez| | But I want to know how it cheats! *grrr* |
| 01:56.34 | art3mis | and maybe yer cache is just screwed up |
| 01:56.37 | sacarasc | it cheats by reading the code |
| 01:56.39 | art3mis | gibbor url? |
| 01:57.22 | |pez| | oh fork iit |
| 01:58.17 | Shirik | fork() |
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| 02:02.13 | |pez| | it... gives me a broken image in FF and IE, but it's there... I see it. and opera sees it. |
| 02:03.48 | Lopeppeppy | Opera is not as common as FF and IE, sadly. |
| 02:05.04 | |pez| | the fault btw, was the image was mistakenly saved as a cmyk image. |
| 02:05.15 | |pez| | I changed to rgb, and it works fine. :P |
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| 02:05.52 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: That's because the world is intelligent and they don't use crappy software |
| 02:06.07 | Shirik | I mean, look at the most widely used OS |
| 02:06.12 | |pez| | Opera is God! |
| 02:06.27 | Lopeppeppy | No, people are damn stupid and will willingly download viruses and keyloggers for fun. |
| 02:06.34 | Shirik | lua> assert("Opera" == "God") |
| 02:06.35 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: assertion failed! |
| 02:07.26 | art3mis | shirik runs his os ins sandboxie |
| 02:07.32 | Shirik | psh |
| 02:07.37 | Shirik | I run viruses outside of a sandbox tbh |
| 02:07.42 | art3mis | heh me too |
| 02:07.44 | Shirik | known viral code |
| 02:08.03 | art3mis | i had a machine that i unleashed about 2500 virii opn to see who would win |
| 02:08.08 | Antiarc | I try to run them in VMs :P |
| 02:08.17 | Shirik | It's more thrilling to know that one wrong debugger command could kill your computer at any instant |
| 02:08.22 | art3mis | did you see andLinux btw shirik? |
| 02:08.27 | Shirik | yeah I took a look at it |
| 02:08.45 | art3mis | looks like something neat and spiffy to play with |
| 02:08.59 | Shirik | They used Kate in their screenshot which made me instantly close the window |
| 02:09.01 | Shirik | KDE ftl |
| 02:10.08 | art3mis | its for a xcfe too |
| 02:10.11 | art3mis | err got |
| 02:10.22 | art3mis | i hate kde |
| 02:10.32 | art3mis | then again ive always loved gnome |
| 02:10.44 | art3mis | kde tries too hard to be a retarded version of windows ;P |
| 02:11.26 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/82802 |
| 02:11.28 | Shirik | I crack myself up |
| 02:12.12 | art3mis | well it's a start ;P |
| 02:13.34 | Thrae|Work | Alright, here's what I'm thinking -- TinyTipModules and TinyTip will merge. The main TinyTip will use a library, but it's just the relatively tiny Dongle-1.0. The basic TinyTip code will branch into "TinyTipBasic" (just formatting) and "TinyTipPositioning" (just anchoring). Just like TinyTipTargets, they will all be modules that can either work inside TinyTip or standalone. All modules that can work standalone without libraries will be includ |
| 02:13.37 | kd3 | my gods... "[Feedback] Lifetap" x484575 on the PTR forum right now |
| 02:14.15 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:14.28 | Shirik | Thrae: cut off at "without libraries will be includ" |
| 02:14.35 | Thrae|Work | Bah |
| 02:14.46 | art3mis | thrae but thts counter productive |
| 02:14.57 | kd3 | and apparently ruin had some hardware failures |
| 02:15.01 | Kaso | Oh god, ive just read xkcd's blag for the first time months, and now i really really want a ballpit |
| 02:15.14 | Thrae|Work | Alright, here's what I'm thinking -- TinyTipModules and TinyTip will merge. The main TinyTip will use a library, but it's just the relatively tiny Dongle-1.0. The basic TinyTip code will branch into "TinyTipBasic" (just formatting) and "TinyTipPositioning" (just anchoring). Just like TinyTipTargets, they will all be modules that can either work inside TinyTip or standalone. All modules that can work standalone without libraries... |
| 02:15.14 | Shirik | yeah me too! |
| 02:15.17 | Thrae|Work | ...will be included in the main TinyTip. Modules that require libraries will be outside of TinyTip, such as TinyTipOptions. All modules will be separate projects -- the modules directory will just be one big externals package. So you can check out "TinyTipBasic" and "TinyTipPositioning" if you just want the old formating and positioning. This provides maximum flexibility for serious tweakers, and insulation against one module tainting the ent |
| 02:15.19 | Shirik | but I don't think they'll let me |
| 02:15.25 | Shirik | install one |
| 02:15.36 | art3mis | what you need to do is brand it all and make 14 more libraries all with functions in them andhave them all require the new varied libraries for every acept of it, so that you can modify everything and make it super pretty and bloaty ;P |
| 02:15.37 | Shirik | Thrae|Work: Cut off at "module tainting the" |
| 02:15.47 | art3mis | has ckk taught you nothing?! |
| 02:15.49 | Thrae|Work | sob |
| 02:15.53 | Shirik | IRC is not for distibuting novels |
| 02:16.05 | ckknight | o hai |
| 02:16.12 | Thrae|Work | ..will be included in the main TinyTip. Modules that require libraries will be outside of TinyTip, such as TinyTipOptions. All modules will be separate projects -- the modules directory will just be one big externals package. So you can check out "TinyTipBasic" and "TinyTipPositioning" if you just want the old formating and positioning. This provides maximum flexibility for serious tweakers, and insulation against one module tainting... |
| 02:16.20 | Thrae|Work | ...the entire set. What does everybody think? |
| 02:16.29 | Shirik | I think there is way too much text on my screen |
| 02:16.29 | ckknight | not a dead one... |
| 02:16.40 | art3mis | Thrae: that "tiny" isnt a propername for it anymore |
| 02:16.53 | art3mis | ckknight: its okay he died of natural causes ;P |
| 02:17.36 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: Actually, TinyTip 1.x used Ace2 in its last incarnation |
| 02:18.12 | art3mis | Thrae: you missed the joke |
| 02:18.24 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: The idea is that only tiny features go in the main TinyTip. Big features and ones that require libraries go outside TinyTip. But ALL features can be made into standalone addons, each even tinier. |
| 02:18.42 | art3mis | i personally think its fine as is ;P |
| 02:18.47 | Thrae|Work | What, the complexity isn't "Tiny" anymore? |
| 02:18.50 | art3mis | it displays the name health and faction |
| 02:18.58 | art3mis | good enough ;P |
| 02:19.07 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: Do you want anchoring too? |
| 02:19.27 | art3mis | the anchoring you've got is good enough ;) |
| 02:19.48 | art3mis | i kinna ilke that its not a drag and achor but a specific value |
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| 02:19.59 | art3mis | to eb honest aftte was my fav tooltip |
| 02:20.07 | art3mis | but it ceased working right |
| 02:20.10 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: So what's wrong with checking out "TinyTipBasic" and "TinyTipPositioning", which will just do what the current main TinyTip does? |
| 02:20.25 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: They'll use no libraries, just very, very basic code. |
| 02:20.26 | Kaso | I'd cost 750 dollars to fill my room 3 foot deep with plastic balls |
| 02:20.31 | art3mis | Thrae: you're stil missing the joke about ckk and his module fetish |
| 02:20.43 | Kaso | if i wasnt poor i'd really have to resist the urge to do that |
| 02:21.16 | Thrae|Work | Well, I also have a module fetish. But ckknight and I have different opinions on how to address modular design with addons. |
| 02:21.45 | Lopeppeppy | Thrae, it's brave of you to reveal that in public... <.< |
| 02:21.51 | ckknight | I like modules |
| 02:22.00 | ckknight | they get me so hot |
| 02:22.10 | ckknight | I feel flustered already |
| 02:22.12 | Thrae|Work | Lopeppeppy: We've discussed it before a few times |
| 02:22.54 | art3mis | thare: just make sure you remove all whitespace and obfuscate the code ;P |
| 02:22.59 | art3mis | OR |
| 02:23.11 | art3mis | tell a story with the code that reads correctly from top to bottom |
| 02:23.21 | art3mis | that would be kind of awesome |
| 02:23.49 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: Dammit, give me an honest opinion. Would such a move turn you off, or would you like the option of only getting exactly what you want out of TinyTip and not needing to load code you don't need? |
| 02:24.03 | art3mis | not really no |
| 02:24.20 | Thrae|Work | To the first or second option? |
| 02:24.23 | art3mis | if it was clear cut in what they did and the over all was beneficial i'd still end up using it |
| 02:24.49 | art3mis | im not much of a fan of getting things i dont want ;P |
| 02:25.11 | Thrae|Work | Right. It's difficult to make an addon that's coded well and also user-friendly. Many times the two don't go together, because most users have the addon-literacy of a dead beaver. |
| 02:25.11 | art3mis | but if each interacted but also functioned standalone that would be neat |
| 02:25.41 | Thrae|Work | The reason I spent so long on working on the new TinyTip was because I was waiting for inspiration. |
| 02:26.07 | art3mis | ie. i get achoring only and i can move the blizz oen around. or keep the blizz anchor and just use the "look mod" to change it's appearance |
| 02:26.26 | Thrae|Work | I think this is the best idea, except I need cladhaire to reassure me before I use Dongle. |
| 02:26.35 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: Right, or both. |
| 02:26.44 | art3mis | and i dont need a complete overhaul of the tooltip to get whichever i want at the time |
| 02:26.59 | art3mis | that to me is actually a nice way of doing it |
| 02:27.39 | Thrae|Work | It would add like 8k to the size of each module to support both modes, but that's miniscule. |
| 02:29.25 | art3mis | what would be an added bonus is load/unload if possible |
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| 02:29.46 | art3mis | so you could get the whole package as it were and play with what you want and disable parts of it on the fly |
| 02:31.39 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: When you have them as separate addons, you can use something like MCP to enable and disable them. If you have them inside TinyTip, then yes, TinyTip itself will be able to enable and disable on the fly. I think I'll include a simple slash command for "enable" and "disable", and also add it to TinyTipOptions of course. |
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| 02:34.38 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: As for the module disabling itself without a reload...it would be easier if people just used stuff like MCP or TinyTipOptions. I don't want to have to include detailed slash commands in each and every standalone addon. That's a lot more localization to deal with. |
| 02:34.58 | kd3 | lmao. "we are going to have Brutallus kill himself when he enters combat." |
| 02:35.14 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: However, modules that only work in certain situations, like in a party or raid, will disable themselves automatically. This is what PerfectTargets currently does. |
| 02:35.52 | Shirik | Okay Java gurus, new question |
| 02:36.01 | Shirik | I have this in the definition of my class |
| 02:36.17 | Shirik | public static final URL dataUrl = |
| 02:36.17 | Shirik | new URL("http://some/url/I/Aint/Tellin/You"); |
| 02:36.39 | Shirik | And it causes an error "Uncaught exception 'MalformedURLException' must be caught or declared to be thrown" |
| 02:36.49 | Shirik | where the hell do I declare it to be thrown or catch it? It's in the definition of the class.... |
| 02:37.14 | Kaso | You'll have to do public static final URL; then intitalise it inside a try catch in the constructor |
| 02:37.21 | Kaso | and cant be final :< |
| 02:37.23 | Shirik | that's annoying |
| 02:37.28 | Shirik | why can't it be final? |
| 02:37.42 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:37.46 | Shirik | because it's static |
| 02:37.55 | Kaso | no, i was thinking you cant declare a final variable without giving it a value |
| 02:37.56 | Shirik | well that's stupid >< |
| 02:37.59 | Shirik | You can |
| 02:38.05 | Shirik | but you have to initialize it in teh constructor |
| 02:38.08 | Kaso | you can? ooh |
| 02:38.10 | Shirik | But I don't think that works for static variables |
| 02:38.26 | Kaso | nah, that wont >.< |
| 02:38.59 | Kaso | yah basically you cant do that in a static way really |
| 02:39.00 | Shirik | I like the whole "throws" convention because it ensures you watch for everything |
| 02:39.07 | Shirik | but sometimes I just wish I could turn it off |
| 02:39.13 | Shirik | this error is not going to be thrown.... |
| 02:40.28 | Kaso | could you make a new subclass of URL and put the try catch around super in the constructor? i've never tried that |
| 02:41.18 | art3mis | thrae that actually sounds nice |
| 02:43.27 | Kaso | Nope you cant put try catch around super >.< |
| 02:43.33 | Kaso | i hate that they force super to be first statement |
| 02:43.44 | Kaso | sometimes you want some logic before you call super |
| 02:46.09 | Kaso | Cant even extend from URL cos its a final class >.< |
| 02:46.13 | Kaso | Sun aint making it easy |
| 02:49.09 | art3mis | ya know ill still never understand why the "gloves of holy might" are elather |
| 02:49.10 | art3mis | leather |
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| 02:54.59 | Kaso | Shirik, i guess something like this would be the best way to get around it ; http://pastey.net/82804 |
| 02:55.06 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ test realm forums |
| 02:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I think the locks are pissed |
| 02:55.14 | Lopeppeppy | Y-think? |
| 02:55.23 | kd3 | just a little |
| 02:55.26 | Kaso | then have "public static final URL dataUrl = ExceptionlessURL.getURL("http://whatever/");" |
| 02:55.37 | kd3 | and my shadenfreude meter has been pegged for a few hours. it's glorious |
| 02:56.12 | kd3 | s/shadenfreude/schadenfreude/ |
| 02:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly changed? |
| 02:56.21 | kd3 | they screwed up the lifetap scaling |
| 02:56.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I see all of these whine threads not detailing what changed |
| 02:56.33 | kd3 | way less mana now, something to that effect |
| 02:57.21 | art3mis | lifetap is so op |
| 02:57.24 | art3mis | ;) |
| 02:58.07 | art3mis | when a lock can tear through agrind drain tanking something is wrong ;P |
| 02:58.30 | art3mis | lifetap should get this neat unstability thing |
| 02:58.39 | art3mis | where it has the chance of healing the mob with your life instead |
| 03:01.54 | Shirik | Kaso since you know java |
| 03:01.59 | Shirik | do you have any idea what "serialVersionUID" is? |
| 03:02.20 | Kaso | in what context? |
| 03:03.26 | Shirik | here |
| 03:05.22 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/82805 |
| 03:05.26 | Shirik | I just ignore these warnings when they come up |
| 03:05.29 | Shirik | but I really want to know wtf iti s |
| 03:08.12 | Kaso | ah, i see, basically its a unique id of the version of the class to be serialised, so that the VM on the other end deserializing can work out if it has the right version it was expecting, if you dont assign it then the VM calculates one for it automatically, but that calculation isnt guarenteed to be the same with different VM implementations |
| 03:08.29 | Kaso | So you could error sending an object between say java vm and microsoft vm |
| 03:09.00 | Kaso | define a public static final long serialVersionUID and the errors will stop |
| 03:09.04 | Shirik | so this really only matters for RPI etc? |
| 03:09.20 | Kaso | (and ofc you should change it with each build if you want to be exactly "correct") |
| 03:09.34 | Kaso | Yah, if you're keeping everything on one VM its no concern |
| 03:09.37 | Shirik | actually Kaso I get another error when I do that lol |
| 03:09.42 | Shirik | well, warning |
| 03:09.47 | Shirik | "Warning: Field hides another field" |
| 03:10.26 | Kaso | oh, sorry, first of all its recomended to use private not public, my mistake |
| 03:11.33 | Kaso | http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/io/Serializable.html - metions about them at the bottom here. |
| 03:12.26 | Kaso | strongly recommended even |
| 03:12.33 | Shirik | bleh |
| 03:12.42 | Shirik | I never was one to follow Sun's recommendations anyway |
| 03:12.48 | Kaso | heh |
| 03:12.51 | Shirik | for example, the recommendation of using the @Override annotation |
| 03:12.55 | Shirik | wtf is its purpose |
| 03:13.15 | Kaso | yah i never did that till i started using netbeans and it bitched at me every 5min about it |
| 03:13.20 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:13.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:14.19 | Shirik | I also have a problem with the language being able to invent code for its own language |
| 03:14.27 | Shirik | i.e., being able to invent new annotations |
| 03:14.29 | Shirik | by writing Java code |
| 03:14.39 | Shirik | but w/e |
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| 03:16.08 | Shirik | however |
| 03:16.11 | Shirik | you can't deny Netbeans is awesome |
| 03:17.23 | |Jelly| | QUICK! The best way to make people not fucking hug each other in Gruul? GOGOGO |
| 03:17.34 | Lopeppeppy | Body odor |
| 03:17.48 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.48 | Kaso | As far as i can understand the purpose of Override is to stop you trying to override a method but failing to because of some coding error, like you put the wrong variable type or something, but it does seem to be a rather insignificant reason. |
| 03:18.36 | Kaso | The only issue i have with netbeans is that the UI feels a little laggy often |
| 03:19.31 | Antiarc | |Jelly|: 50 DKP minus |
| 03:20.19 | Shirik | Kaso: yeah it's designed so that if you override something but it doesn't actually override anything, a compiler error results |
| 03:20.29 | Shirik | but there's nothing stopping you from overriding something without putting that annotation |
| 03:20.34 | Shirik | that's my problem with it |
| 03:20.39 | Kaso | mm indeed. |
| 03:20.44 | Shirik | either enforce it fully or not at all, not somewhere in the middle |
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| 03:22.11 | Shirik | /who Dps |
| 03:22.18 | Shirik | <70:Dps> Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin |
| 03:22.21 | Shirik | lol. |
| 03:26.18 | batrick | i had a terrible dream last night i started playing wow again |
| 03:26.19 | batrick | it haunts me |
| 03:27.46 | Shirik | rofl |
| 03:27.52 | Shirik | ~hug batrick |
| 03:27.53 | purl | ACTION hugs batrick |
| 03:33.14 | kd3 | eesh at ruin |
| 03:33.19 | kd3 | still crashing and burning |
| 03:35.50 | Lopeppeppy | I heard AD was still fuxxored. |
| 03:36.20 | Shirik | !ap 1640 |
| 03:36.20 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1640 is, 2v2: 395, 3v3: 457, 5v5: 519 |
| 03:36.30 | Shirik | !ap 1537 |
| 03:36.30 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1537 is, 2v2: 293, 3v3: 339, 5v5: 386 |
| 03:36.34 | Lopeppeppy | I love how the Realm Status forum is never updated.... |
| 03:37.01 | Shirik | !ar 400 |
| 03:37.01 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Arena rating from 400 points is, 2v2: 1645, 3v3: 1592, 5v5: 1549 |
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| 03:51.48 | Shirik | another set of conflicting warnings |
| 03:52.10 | Shirik | (1) if I implement this abstract class, I have to override getParser() |
| 03:52.26 | Shirik | (2) getParser() is annotated with @Deprecated, so me overriding it triggers a warning |
| 03:52.36 | Shirik | (3) Me not overriding it triggers an error due to me not overriding all abstract method |
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| 03:55.11 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/departments/syndicates/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003712741 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 03:57.04 | MentalPower | wb Cairenn |
| 03:57.09 | Cairenn | thanks :) |
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| 04:01.20 | Shirik | hi Seerah |
| 04:01.30 | Seerah | hola, Shirik |
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| 04:10.01 | BrokenBone | evening |
| 04:10.06 | Cairenn | hi |
| 04:11.59 | Corrodias | and in a related question, FF7 or Paper Mario? |
| 04:12.18 | mikma | yes |
| 04:13.31 | Lopeppeppy | Purple. |
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| 04:15.52 | BrokenBone | so im very noobish to programming but i want to make my own mode so far from what im reading i was led here as the best irc room to be in as i learn |
| 04:16.01 | BrokenBone | err mod |
| 04:16.11 | Cairenn | pink and purple poka dots with yellow and green stripes |
| 04:16.34 | BrokenBone | o.O |
| 04:16.36 | Cairenn | BrokenBone: sorry, that was in response to Corrodias |
| 04:16.42 | BrokenBone | lol |
| 04:17.37 | BrokenBone | so i have this idea instead of having like 90 some odd addons running can i code a static ui? |
| 04:17.39 | mikma | Cairenn: no, you are not sorry :D you did that on purpose and you also like it :D |
| 04:17.52 | Cairenn | okay |
| 04:18.08 | Corrodias | a "static UI"? |
| 04:18.14 | Corrodias | what do you mean? |
| 04:18.24 | mikma | BrokenBone: combining 200 files into one huge file? |
| 04:18.29 | Corrodias | i mean, literally, you mean a UI that never changes |
| 04:18.34 | BrokenBone | well cut out the bloat as it wre the options menus configs etc |
| 04:18.36 | Corrodias | and i don't think that's quite right |
| 04:18.57 | BrokenBone | if i want my actionbars at the bottom and have say only 75 buttons thats what i code |
| 04:19.23 | kergoth | and thatd gain you what exactly? |
| 04:19.25 | mikma | i don't understand his point |
| 04:19.29 | Corrodias | and -- just making sure i have this right -- you want to do it all yourself instead of using existing addons for it? |
| 04:19.36 | kergoth | static memory usage has like no performance benefit |
| 04:19.42 | kergoth | you'd gain nothing and waste a ton of time |
| 04:19.46 | BrokenBone | correct |
| 04:20.05 | BrokenBone | id gain education |
| 04:20.16 | Corrodias | i guess you're welcome to do it, but that's quite a task |
| 04:20.49 | mikma | SecureButtons and stuff. you can blame Iriel for those |
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| 04:23.04 | |Jelly| | Whoever can tell Cog that I just beat my guild's MT in a duel as holy! So I'd beat him too! |
| 04:23.27 | BrokenBone | so i wouldnt see any benifit of smaller direct code as opposed to say make this frame have the potential to move here or there scale various sizes etc ..thats seems odd i thught i would see better improvement as far less code is being loaded im confused |
| 04:24.47 | BrokenBone | like skinner for example i like the viewport function but not the horizontial part of it or the middleframes gradiants etc |
| 04:25.18 | BrokenBone | and i only use one setting in said viewport setting so why load all that other code |
| 04:25.36 | kd3 | so use a simpler mod like CT_Viewport? |
| 04:27.29 | BrokenBone | but thats still not getting as trim as even ct_Viewport has a config and the ability to do more then top port height 200 bottom 200 im talking hardcoding the setting in the addon no options no slash commands no nada unless needed to achieve the desired result/placement |
| 04:28.15 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion mercur |
| 04:28.15 | Corrodias | like i said, you're welcome to do it, but i seriously don't recommend starting your noob programming career on a project that ambitious |
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| 04:28.31 | Corrodias | are you trying to trim memory usage (negligible if you have only 40 addons) or processor time? |
| 04:30.15 | BrokenBone | well im guessing a bit of both im running an iMac g5 rev A PPC the les mods i run the better i run so im trying to have my desired layout in one mod folder doing only and excatly what i want no settings no profile it's hardcoded and global |
| 04:31.13 | Corrodias | they have a significant impact on your performance? :o |
| 04:32.10 | BrokenBone | like mod free i see about 60-90 fps when using mods like skinner bartender3 fubar with various plugins simpleminimap etc i drop down to the 20-40 range |
| 04:33.01 | Corrodias | that... there must be something wrong. they shouldn't be having that big of an effect. has anybody heard of something like that before? |
| 04:33.16 | kd3 | you try running one mod at a time to see if you've got a badly coded build of something? |
| 04:33.24 | Lopeppeppy | I use 2/3 of those with no performance issues at all. Agree with kd3. |
| 04:33.39 | kd3 | unless something's leaking ram or burning proc cycles for no good reason, that shouldn't happen. |
| 04:33.46 | BrokenBone | yup ive been testing various combos etc |
| 04:34.26 | BrokenBone | it seems once the memory footprint hits about 48.7mb (as per preformancefu) i start getting real chunky |
| 04:34.39 | Esine | tell me people, does "hit points" mean hit rating like melee accuracy (less misses) or health? |
| 04:34.49 | BrokenBone | but also only with skinner |
| 04:34.53 | Lopeppeppy | all are updated versions? and how is your computer hardware? |
| 04:34.56 | Iriel | health generally |
| 04:35.00 | kd3 | hit points is health. it's commonly referred to as "HP" |
| 04:35.08 | Esine | because, A LOT of ppl and sites on the internet say you can get +100 hp on head but it's ilke they think it' health |
| 04:35.09 | Lopeppeppy | And can you just live without Skinner? <.< |
| 04:35.11 | Esine | oh |
| 04:35.13 | BrokenBone | my system is strong |
| 04:35.14 | Esine | damn! |
| 04:35.42 | Corrodias | old games used to call health "health points" or "hit points" |
| 04:35.56 | Esine | I thought hp = health points |
| 04:36.03 | Esine | :( |
| 04:36.11 | BrokenBone | well in the end if it were a matter of settling yea i could |
| 04:36.25 | BrokenBone | but why should i settle if the ability is there |
| 04:36.27 | Esine | I spent a lot of time getting +8 sta on my head when I could've got +100 health (only 20 health difference but still) |
| 04:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | How updated are your versions, BrokenBone? |
| 04:38.00 | Lopeppeppy | And from what sites? |
| 04:38.19 | |Jelly| | I get my mods from www.keylogger.cn personally. |
| 04:38.34 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly| ! *laugh* |
| 04:38.35 | BrokenBone | i grab most of my sources from acewiki |
| 04:38.39 | |Jelly| | I guess I really should be like "ZOMG DON'T CLICK ON THAT" but ... |
| 04:38.44 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/scalingissues.jpg |
| 04:38.59 | BrokenBone | i usally check out the beta svn's as they get better |
| 04:39.00 | mikma | as you can see, all minipets have borked scaling in ptr atm. go and have fun :D |
| 04:39.12 | Esine | I don't really understand that picture.. |
| 04:39.15 | Lopeppeppy | Have you posted to the discussion thread for skinner to ask what's up, share your problem there? |
| 04:39.16 | BrokenBone | new at programming does not equal 1d10t |
| 04:39.30 | kd3 | mobs are broken too. brutallus is roughly my size |
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| 04:39.32 | Esine | mikma, so all the pets you can buy like those bunnies and eagles than follow you are they all scaled 100x? |
| 04:39.41 | mikma | Esine: aye |
| 04:39.45 | Esine | how nice |
| 04:39.45 | Lopeppeppy | It simply doesn't seem that your few addons would cause that issue, honestly. |
| 04:39.58 | Guillotine | dammit, if only my characters had transferred |
| 04:40.01 | Guillotine | I would be in heaven |
| 04:41.14 | BrokenBone | it's not really a major issue skinner that is as in reality i a behind the powerband hardware wise these days but if i can squeeze out an extra drop of preformance in my wowage on this system whynot right? |
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| 04:42.35 | Corrodias | keywords being "if i can" :) |
| 04:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | Good luck with that. I'm not sure you've accurately defined the actual problem, however, so adding coding and making one mess instead of 4-6 messes might not help you much at all. |
| 04:42.54 | kd3 | geez! hitting revered with the SSO rocked. ~6g, a tome, 12 signets and a few super pots and major elixirs |
| 04:43.44 | Lopeppeppy | SSO? |
| 04:45.12 | kd3 | the shattered sun offensive |
| 04:45.51 | MentalPower | any website that hosts the blizz textures? |
| 04:48.00 | Esine | hey anyone know how long it takes to fly from Stormwind to Booty bay? I dont have the addon installed |
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| 04:49.56 | MentalPower | 5mins? |
| 04:50.00 | Esine | hm yeah |
| 04:50.02 | Esine | I hope so |
| 04:50.14 | Esine | then I can gank that fucker who wants to steal MY chest at STV |
| 04:50.17 | Corrodias | thrarty minutes |
| 04:50.18 | Esine | and killed my 19 twink :[ |
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| 04:51.54 | mikma | omagad |
| 04:53.42 | Corrodias | hmm? 43% of people voted in this poll that they brush their teeth "Twice a day, after and before I sleep" |
| 04:53.51 | Esine | at what level can shamans self rez? |
| 04:53.55 | Corrodias | what is accomplished by brushing after you sleep? |
| 04:54.24 | Tem | Esine, your text is the same color as Esamymn |
| 04:54.28 | Tem | this is unacceptable |
| 04:54.33 | Tem | change your nick |
| 04:54.52 | Esine | tem, I've had this nick for 7 years since I started to use this in dalnet |
| 04:55.02 | Tem | QQ imo |
| 04:56.39 | Esine | I'm so running out of time :[ |
| 04:56.46 | art3mis | wierd |
| 04:56.53 | art3mis | zuljin seems to be having problems |
| 04:57.00 | art3mis | "error retreiving character list |
| 05:00.47 | Lopeppeppy | A lot of realms are, art3mis. so many angsty threads. |
| 05:00.54 | art3mis | heh |
| 05:01.47 | Lopeppeppy | I think AD's been down all day. |
| 05:02.42 | Esine | fuck that |
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| 05:10.14 | AnduinLothar | is it possible to transfer from a pvp to a pve server? just not backwards? |
| 05:10.49 | ScytheBlade1 | YES @ UnitGUID() |
| 05:11.10 | Corrodias | YES @ AnduinLothar |
| 05:11.15 | Corrodias | ...() |
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| 05:31.04 | AnduinLothar | god, the guild recruitment forum is horrible. a whole page of bumps has moved my post to page 2 and there haven't been any new threads or real replies... |
| 05:31.36 | art3mis | they're trying to mimic the ingame channel ;P |
| 05:31.41 | mikma | AnduinLothar: rest your eyes on this then: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11539.msg183300#msg183300 |
| 05:32.48 | AnduinLothar | uh wat |
| 05:34.02 | art3mis | that dun hurted mah brainz |
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| 05:38.07 | fromatz | Anyone here? |
| 05:38.25 | mikma | no |
| 05:38.31 | fromatz | Ok, bye. |
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| 06:20.48 | Shirik | sigh |
| 06:20.50 | Shirik | wtb pointers in Java |
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| 06:23.41 | Shirik | o.o |
| 06:24.22 | Shirik | If there is one thing I learned from coding for so long, it's never copy and paste code |
| 06:24.37 | Shirik | If you need to reuse something, there's a way to use a function to do it for you |
| 06:24.41 | Shirik | Java, on the other hand, is making me copy and paste code |
| 06:24.44 | Shirik | which is making me very angry |
| 06:25.42 | haste | sounds like you should be writing in some other language right now |
| 06:26.43 | Shirik | I really want to |
| 06:27.01 | Shirik | But I can't abandon all the work I've already done |
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| 06:38.15 | art3mis | no |
| 06:38.18 | art3mis | but you can port it! |
| 06:38.24 | art3mis | and porting stuff is way more fun |
| 06:42.21 | batrick | shirik are you writing code while drinking? |
| 06:42.25 | batrick | that's a baaaaad idea |
| 06:42.49 | batrick | not only will you suck at coding but figuring out bugs made from shitty-ly made code is a major buzz killer |
| 06:43.03 | Cairenn | Shirik is drinking? /me turns on the log file |
| 06:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 06:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4822044617&sid=1&pageNo=3#47 |
| 06:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic post |
| 06:45.39 | batrick | i'm wondering if i should start drinking or play nwn |
| 06:46.19 | Thrae | batrick: Don't they go hand-in-hand? |
| 06:46.51 | art3mis | http://www.instructables.com/id/S3IH4T6F37OW9OI/ <-- shirik new project for ya! |
| 06:47.06 | art3mis | ive got 2 laptops i dont use anymore so im totally gonna do this |
| 06:49.43 | batrick | Thrae: i'm not sure if I should |
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| 06:51.11 | art3mis | i have a friend who claims computers run on smoke, because "Once you let the smoke out, they don't work anymore." Well, I sure wasn't going to let the smoke out of this one... |
| 06:51.12 | fromatz | anyone mess around with GetBattlefieldInstanceInfo? |
| 06:51.36 | batrick | arguably computers run on air for without air they'd overheat |
| 06:51.37 | mikma | fromatz: Shadowed has i think |
| 06:51.38 | batrick | :) |
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| 06:51.56 | fromatz | it takes an index, but every index i enter returns a nil value... and apparently it's supposedly returns the instances id |
| 06:52.03 | Corrodias | i am going to cancel my signup for ZA tomorrow. i need to sleep in and i am not in a WoW mood lately |
| 06:52.33 | fromatz | is shadowed afk? |
| 06:52.57 | Shirik | batrick / Cairenn well kinda |
| 06:53.04 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:53.10 | Shirik | I opened one of the budweiser that I bought a few days ago just to see if the lady would card me |
| 06:53.23 | Shirik | after having had half of it I'm still trying to figure out why the hell people willingly drink this crap |
| 06:53.35 | batrick | i don't like beer much |
| 06:53.48 | batrick | but shots of hard alcohol is good |
| 06:53.51 | Corrodias | isn't that an expensive, unpleasant way to find out? |
| 06:53.56 | Cairenn | beer == gross |
| 06:54.03 | Shirik | And it's been about 5 hours, so I think any effects (of which I don't think there were any) will likely have worn off |
| 06:54.09 | Gngsk | maybe to a girly like you |
| 06:54.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm more of a liquor kinda guy |
| 06:54.19 | Thrae | art3mis: http://www.maxivista.com/ (free trial) and http://www.topdownloads.net/index/software/view/desktop-enhancements/virtual-desktop/zoneos-zonescreen/101541__0_0.html?hl=&id=101541 (ZoneScreen, freeware) allow you to use another computer's monitor as your own monitor through a network connection. It uses mirroring drivers to make Windows think it's a monitor. I used both successfully with my own laptop, it was cool. |
| 06:54.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | beer tastes too much like feet as far as i've tried |
| 06:54.37 | Cairenn | Gngsk: rofl @ "grily" comment |
| 06:54.41 | Cairenn | a) I'm girly |
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| 06:55.00 | Cairenn | b) I prefer my scotch 18 yrs old and straight up |
| 06:55.07 | Cairenn | (or older) |
| 06:55.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is a time for a crude joke |
| 06:55.24 | fromatz | anyone else worked with the getbattlefieldinstanceinfo function? |
| 06:55.28 | Cairenn | ^_- |
| 06:55.47 | Thrae | fromatz: Have you checked http://www.wowwiki.com ? |
| 06:55.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm only 20, so i don't get much choice in my booze yet |
| 06:55.59 | art3mis | Thrae: nods thats what he says at the end, the idea of using these old laptops as extensible screens rules |
| 06:56.04 | Shirik | fromatz: Are you getting a 'attempt to call a nil value' error? |
| 06:56.12 | Guillotine | Me and roommate just duod the first boss of SV :D |
| 06:56.24 | art3mis | ive got 2 thinkpads gathering dust |
| 06:56.25 | Guillotine | now we can tease that guildy that was claiming they always wiped on it in PuGs |
| 06:57.04 | mikma | fromatz: http://shadowed-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/SSPVP2/SSPVP2.lua <- Shadowed uses it in SSPVP2 |
| 06:57.09 | fromatz | yes shirik |
| 06:57.16 | fromatz | i get nil values for every index i throw in it |
| 06:57.28 | Shirik | hahahah ScytheBlade1 that is awesome |
| 06:57.40 | Shirik | fromatz: Are you aware that Lua is case sensitive? |
| 06:57.44 | fromatz | well, i can successfully call the function it seems... it just prints a nil value to the screen, maybe thats one in the same with what you are talking about |
| 06:57.51 | mikma | fromatz: then you are throwing wrong data to it |
| 06:57.59 | fromatz | yes, i am using proper case, just not here |
| 06:58.19 | fromatz | i have thrown integers 1-10 in it |
| 06:58.19 | Thrae | !api GetBattlefieldInstanceInfo |
| 06:58.20 | WoWLuaircBot | Thrae: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBattlefieldInstanceInfo |
| 06:58.28 | mikma | look at the sspvp2 code and then think again |
| 06:58.43 | MentalPower | http://wowi.pastey.net/82818 <--Sample SVN-Auto-Props file, Use It and Extend It! |
| 06:59.14 | fromatz | they utilize that function mikma? |
| 06:59.34 | mikma | dunno :P |
| 07:00.33 | fromatz | oh ok |
| 07:00.47 | fromatz | wow wiki seems to not have any information on it... it must be a new function? |
| 07:01.15 | Guillotine | Luckily theres a family guy |
| 07:01.34 | Thrae | fromatz: local num = GetNumBattlefields() or 0; for i = 1,num do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage( tostring( GetBattlefieldInstanceInfo(i) ) ); end |
| 07:02.10 | Shadowed | fromatz: still need help with it? |
| 07:03.08 | fromatz | yes please |
| 07:03.24 | Shadowed | moment while I refresh my memory on it |
| 07:03.27 | fromatz | ok thrae, thanks, ill give that a try |
| 07:03.32 | fromatz | ok, np shadowed |
| 07:03.50 | Shadowed | I don't use GetBattlefieldInstanceInfo by the way Mike-N-Go_ |
| 07:03.52 | Shadowed | er mikma |
| 07:03.57 | art3mis | ya know what i discovered today? |
| 07:04.09 | art3mis | that sp2 for XP resets the "you must authenticate" timer |
| 07:04.24 | art3mis | if you dont install it right away you can actually get 60 days without authing it |
| 07:04.26 | Shadowed | fromatz: What are you trying to do? |
| 07:04.50 | fromatz | i'm trying to find out if every bg is uniquely identified by an integer id |
| 07:04.52 | fromatz | and what that id is |
| 07:05.32 | Shadowed | When you say uniquely identified, what do you mean by that? |
| 07:05.40 | Shadowed | As in, could you figure out how many games are played a day by it? |
| 07:06.02 | Thrae | fromatz: The BGs are instances like a dungeon is. You'll only get the instance ID if a current instance is up. If you queue up for a BG that doesn't have an instance open (IE, not enough people), then it should return nil for that index. |
| 07:06.13 | fromatz | kind of like how poker games work on the web... each one is given a unique integer for identification |
| 07:06.28 | Shadowed | what Thrae said |
| 07:07.01 | Shadowed | I've never used GetBattlefieldInstanceInfo, but from the looks of it it's the exact same as the 3rd return from GetBattlefieldStatus |
| 07:07.07 | Shadowed | !api GetBattlefieldStatus |
| 07:07.08 | WoWLuaircBot | Shadowed: status, mapName, instanceID, lowestlevel, highestlevel, teamSize, registeredMatch = GetBattlefieldStatus(index); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBattlefieldStatus |
| 07:07.12 | Thrae | fromatz: The indexs can be gotten from GetNumBattlefields(), which is the number you've queue'd up for, and therefore have data for. |
| 07:07.20 | fromatz | yeah, but how can blizzard keep tabs on games them |
| 07:07.37 | fromatz | say if someone is cheating in a game, how can they determine that once the game has ended, since the instance is destroyed |
| 07:07.55 | Shadowed | Because they'd likely keep logs that persist even after the instance is destroyed |
| 07:07.57 | Thrae | fromatz: Logs. That's why the instance has a unique ID. |
| 07:08.05 | Shadowed | an internal unique id* |
| 07:08.12 | Thrae | Right |
| 07:08.28 | Shadowed | the instanceID we're given is just a simple, 1,2,3,4,5, ect. Once instance #3 finishes, another will pop with #3 |
| 07:09.18 | fromatz | we cant access that internal id then? |
| 07:09.25 | Shadowed | nope |
| 07:09.39 | Shadowed | Is there a reason you want to be able to track it by the unique id? |
| 07:09.47 | Shadowed | seems like a bit of an odd request |
| 07:11.12 | Thrae | If you're tracking something, just use the date, time, and index # you get from GetBattlefieldStatus. That should be enough. Heck, that may even be what Blizzard uses. |
| 07:11.32 | Shadowed | Thrae, well it depends what he's trying to track |
| 07:11.44 | Shadowed | And you don't get any date or time from GetBattlefieldStatus, you just get instance id |
| 07:12.21 | Thrae | s/date, time,/date and time,/g |
| 07:12.35 | Thrae | damn, trying to avoid purl spam |
| 07:13.08 | fromatz | yeah but if i wanted to track every bg game, i would need more than date time. that wouldnt uniquely identify a particular bg |
| 07:13.11 | Shadowed | and you can't accurately use date or time, because an instance could be started and then you join it at a different time from everyone else, which is why it mostly matters why he needs it :p |
| 07:13.29 | Shadowed | Yea if you're trying to track every BG game it's not really possible fromatz, the closet you could do is create an MD5 hash when it ends |
| 07:13.55 | Thrae | You could use GetBattlefieldTime(index), which returns the time the game started from the server's standpoint. |
| 07:13.56 | Shadowed | by say, concating the top 5 healing/damage/kb/death sorted by KB |
| 07:14.12 | Shadowed | Thrae: No, that just returns how long the games been up in milliseconds, and it's not very accurate. It likes to break often |
| 07:14.16 | fromatz | yeah thrae, but multiple games could start at the same time |
| 07:14.24 | Shadowed | oh wait |
| 07:15.10 | Shadowed | I've never even seen that used Thrae, where are you seeing this |
| 07:16.20 | Thrae | fromatz: Depends on if it's from the clock tic (such as os.clock() in lua) or some type of internal time() call. If it's CPU tics, then it can't be the same unless the function screws up. |
| 07:16.26 | Thrae | !api GetBattlefieldTime |
| 07:16.27 | WoWLuaircBot | Thrae: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBattlefieldTime |
| 07:16.36 | Shadowed | Are you sure you aren't making things up Thrae? :p |
| 07:16.58 | Thrae | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Battlefield_Functions |
| 07:17.14 | Thrae | It's GetBattlefieldInstanceRunTime() |
| 07:17.29 | Shadowed | see what I said |
| 07:17.35 | fromatz | yeah but theoretically couldnt you still get the same time for two games? |
| 07:17.36 | Thrae | "In milliseconds, the time since battleground started. (seems to be queried from server because it is not in sync with time())" |
| 07:17.58 | Shadowed | it'd be wrong then unless something changed |
| 07:18.03 | Thrae | fromatz: Depends on how it's implemented on the server |
| 07:18.09 | Shadowed | Blizzard does SecondsToTime(GetBattlefieldInstanceRunTime()/1000 |
| 07:18.33 | Shadowed | Whoever set that note would be wrong :p |
| 07:18.48 | Shadowed | it's not very accurate either, it'll return nothing at times |
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| 07:19.06 | Shadowed | so you can't rely on it for identifying BGs |
| 07:20.10 | fromatz | yeah, looks like i have to figure another way out to uniquely identify bgs |
| 07:20.19 | Shadowed | You still haven't mentioned why |
| 07:20.26 | Shadowed | just statics? |
| 07:20.31 | fromatz | for a project |
| 07:20.47 | Shadowed | Are you the only one running the mod? |
| 07:21.00 | fromatz | for now |
| 07:21.25 | Shadowed | you going to be putting it onto a website? |
| 07:21.32 | Shadowed | err, syncing data to a website |
| 07:21.49 | Shadowed | Your best bet would be some sort of hash created through healing/damage/kb/death/whatever numbers when the match ends then. Since I cna |
| 07:22.05 | Shadowed | can't think of a way to uniquely identify a battleground otherwise, and they always have to end short of server crash |
| 07:22.44 | Shadowed | Anyway heading off to sleep |
| 07:22.55 | fromatz | thanks for the input |
| 07:23.30 | Shadowed | no problem, have fun |
| 07:24.39 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 07:25.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 07:25.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, KAEL DIED. HAHA. |
| 07:25.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Win. |
| 07:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: yes? |
| 07:25.38 | MentalPower | gnight all |
| 07:28.00 | Esine | 30 minutes! now I shall get the chest @ stv.. hahahahaha |
| 07:29.46 | mikma | gank |
| 07:30.33 | Esine | my 70 dorf rogue is lurking in the shadows looking for lowbies.. and when they try to loot the chest I kill them quick and log on with my 19 twink right next to the chest! |
| 07:32.51 | mikma | fail |
| 07:33.24 | Esine | hopefully no one comes there within the 10 secs or so while I switch chars |
| 07:33.50 | Esine | I wonder if it's possible to run two wow instances at the same time.. |
| 07:33.51 | mikma | lawl |
| 07:34.16 | Esine | at least to the character selection screen.. it would be faster that way.. |
| 07:38.12 | Esine | nope, it disconnects the other client that way |
| 07:38.56 | fromatz | would a gm have any knowledge of the wow api? |
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| 07:39.15 | Tem | I personaly thnk that booz + complicated card games = win |
| 07:39.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | not unless he writes addons on the side |
| 07:39.29 | fromatz | ah ok |
| 07:39.37 | mikma | Tem: complicated beer games |
| 07:39.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | which....isnt likely |
| 07:39.44 | mikma | you are not propared |
| 07:39.58 | Tem | nno due |
| 07:40.02 | Tem | card games |
| 07:40.26 | mikma | beer=booze .. sorry bout that |
| 07:43.30 | Tem | fuck thse poeple who thinkg that being level 70 means they can take my oreno ds |
| 07:43.49 | Esine | take what |
| 07:44.20 | Tem | just caus the boars wont attk them doesn't mean they're more entitled to it than me |
| 07:46.28 | Esine | oreno ds |
| 07:46.52 | Esine | ore nodes |
| 07:46.52 | Esine | ahh |
| 07:47.21 | Tem | duh |
| 07:47.27 | Tem | dont u no engrish? |
| 07:47.31 | Esine | do you have some problems with your keyboard tem? |
| 07:48.04 | Tem | well, my keyboard is dying, but i blame the seagrams |
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| 07:53.58 | fromatz | hey, anyone know how to format the save variables file? |
| 07:54.08 | fromatz | into a form that is convieniet for parsing |
| 07:56.18 | Tem | it's already in a convenient form |
| 07:56.31 | Tem | it's executable lua |
| 07:56.35 | MentalPower|ZzZz | indeed |
| 07:56.40 | Tem | you can have lua do the parsing for you |
| 07:57.02 | MentalPower|ZzZz | ./usr/bin/lua Auctioneer.lua |
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| 08:02.19 | batrick | anybody know wtf i have to apt-get to have all the man pages |
| 08:02.25 | batrick | ubuntu sucks at having basic ones |
| 08:02.26 | Shirik | uh |
| 08:02.40 | Shirik | it should be automatic >.> |
| 08:03.22 | Esine | I WON! |
| 08:03.23 | Esine | wooo |
| 08:03.29 | Shirik | o.o?; |
| 08:03.32 | batrick | you quit wow? |
| 08:03.45 | Esine | so a 50 rogue came to Gurubashi Arena right when the chest was placed |
| 08:03.52 | Esine | I ambushed him die in one hit of course |
| 08:04.03 | Esine | and then relogged to twink.. victory is mine! |
| 08:04.06 | Esine | trinket <3 |
| 08:04.18 | Esine | next one in 3 hours |
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| 08:04.41 | Shirik | cheater. |
| 08:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Sleep! |
| 08:05.24 | Shirik | negative |
| 08:05.35 | Shirik | must generate 15360 bit private key |
| 08:05.43 | batrick | I can't remember what the hell I was going to test on batbot /sigh |
| 08:05.46 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 08:05.53 | batrick | alcohol sucks while coding :( |
| 08:06.02 | Shirik | batrick |
| 08:06.10 | Shirik | weren't you telling me not to drink and code just a few hours ago? |
| 08:06.36 | batrick | i thought a few beers wouldn't matter >.> |
| 08:06.51 | Shirik | ... |
| 08:06.57 | Shirik | and you're yelling at me for having half of one? |
| 08:07.47 | batrick | i never yelled! |
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| 08:18.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | you seem to forget the ballmer peak |
| 08:18.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 08:18.34 | Buuyo | heh get drunk enough, if your code compiles the next morning be thankful. You won't be able ot make sense of it. |
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| 08:36.55 | oreth | where is everyone? |
| 08:36.59 | oreth | i was told that geeks didn't sleep |
| 08:39.59 | Tem | truth |
| 08:40.01 | Tem | we incubate |
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| 08:42.42 | batrick | !lua 1 |
| 08:42.46 | batbot | batrick: > 1 |
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| 08:44.23 | batrick | --> co = coroutine.running() return debug.getlocal(1, 1) |
| 08:44.24 | batbot | batrick: > nil |
| 08:44.35 | batrick | --> co = coroutine.running() return debug.getlocal(0, 1) |
| 08:44.36 | batbot | batrick: > (*temporary), 0 |
| 08:44.41 | batrick | :O |
| 08:44.45 | batrick | --> co = coroutine.running() return debug.getlocal(2, 1) |
| 08:44.46 | batbot | batrick: @ ./sandbox.lua:99: bad argument #1 to 'getlocal' (level out of range) |
| 08:44.53 | batrick | o I'm an idiot |
| 08:46.25 | batrick | --> co = coroutine.running() return pcall(function() return debug.getlocal(2, 1) end) |
| 08:46.26 | batbot | batrick: > true, nil |
| 08:48.40 | Shirik | win? |
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| 08:50.42 | batrick | Id unno |
| 08:51.51 | batrick | --> os.tmpname |
| 08:51.52 | batbot | batrick: > nil |
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| 09:21.37 | fromatz | when using GetBattlefieldScore why when i input an integer between 1-10 do i get nil for the name |
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| 09:32.53 | AlexanderYoshi | moo |
| 09:32.55 | batrick | no u |
| 09:35.09 | Kalroth | hi AY |
| 09:36.26 | Fisker- | moo? |
| 09:36.32 | Shirik | hi AlexanderYoshi |
| 09:36.40 | batrick | shirik |
| 09:36.42 | batrick | entertain me |
| 09:36.53 | Shirik | you can look at my code |
| 09:36.57 | Shirik | that's always entertaining |
| 09:37.49 | Shirik | here this is entertaining |
| 09:37.53 | Shirik | would you like to explain this error code for me? |
| 09:38.13 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5784cf8f2484217bd11e7eab14bf3223.jpg |
| 09:38.40 | Kalroth | Obviously your server is being too vocal. |
| 09:39.21 | batrick | what the fuck is that |
| 09:39.37 | batrick | internal error occurred................ "The operation completed sucessfully" |
| 09:39.40 | batrick | lolwut?!?!?!?!??! |
| 09:39.41 | Shirik | exactly |
| 09:39.58 | batrick | lolvista |
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| 09:40.32 | Shirik | oh and then there was this |
| 09:40.33 | batrick | hmm |
| 09:40.33 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/32e1c03f196f6e76ee5e663d75a566ee.jpg |
| 09:41.09 | batrick | ownT |
| 09:41.27 | Kalroth | Shirik: I think you should go back to Visual Basic! |
| 09:41.32 | Shirik | hells no |
| 09:41.40 | Shirik | actually it turns out those errors were all in the windows SDK |
| 09:41.47 | Shirik | it was likely a configuration problem |
| 09:42.11 | Shirik | as you can see from the top line of the output |
| 09:42.17 | Shirik | it mentions the error in winnt.h |
| 09:45.22 | Shirik | okay |
| 09:45.27 | Shirik | I think this is a sign I need to go to bed |
| 09:45.29 | Shirik | Vector<UpdateList> updateChain = new Vector<UpdateList>(); |
| 09:45.32 | Shirik | Error: Incompatible types |
| 09:45.37 | Shirik | Found: Vector<UpdateList> |
| 09:45.43 | Shirik | Required: Vector<UpdateList> |
| 09:45.47 | Shirik | .... what? |
| 09:47.38 | Kalroth | lol |
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| 09:48.51 | Kalroth | I'm guessing you got multiple include files that defines the UpdateList |
| 09:49.39 | Shirik | impossible, really |
| 09:49.53 | Shirik | Java's import system is pretty strict |
| 09:49.59 | Shirik | I would know about that right away |
| 09:50.56 | Shirik | Proof I'm not making it up: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8404bb0b63a9cd3b84aa2dbd3a3a03d1.jpg |
| 09:55.21 | Fisker- | JAVA |
| 09:55.25 | Fisker- | That's why |
| 09:56.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:56.23 | Shirik | ~melt Fisker- |
| 09:56.29 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:56.32 | Shirik | there needs to be a ~melt |
| 09:56.48 | Shirik | wow it's 5AM |
| 09:56.55 | Shirik | omg and Cairenn|afk's asleep |
| 09:56.56 | Shirik | impossible |
| 09:57.56 | Shirik | AHA |
| 09:58.02 | Shirik | that class does not exist in that scope |
| 09:58.53 | Shirik | because you know |
| 09:59.03 | Shirik | It was too difficult to say "Undeclared identifier" or something like that |
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| 10:09.49 | batrick | that's right |
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| 10:13.06 | AlexanderYoshi | goodnight |
| 10:13.56 | Shirik | night |
| 10:15.30 | Antiarc | AlexanderYoshi: My eternal love! |
| 10:15.39 | Antiarc | UnitGUID lives! <3<3<3<3<3 |
| 10:15.42 | Xinhuan | um you didn't reply my message yet! |
| 10:16.00 | AlexanderYoshi | oh |
| 10:16.02 | AlexanderYoshi | what? |
| 10:16.13 | AlexanderYoshi | Oh, you're welcome, Antiarc |
| 10:16.16 | AlexanderYoshi | use it for great justic |
| 10:16.25 | Xinhuan | i asked how i can help the combat log ;p |
| 10:16.48 | AlexanderYoshi | oh |
| 10:16.55 | AlexanderYoshi | Please try out the config screen |
| 10:17.01 | Antiarc | AlexanderYoshi: I will :D |
| 10:17.04 | AlexanderYoshi | and post feedback on a thread in the test ream forum |
| 10:17.10 | AlexanderYoshi | I know there's a lot of bugs |
| 10:17.16 | Antiarc | The combat log config screen?> |
| 10:17.18 | AlexanderYoshi | yeah |
| 10:17.26 | AlexanderYoshi | does it work, does it seem natural, etc |
| 10:17.27 | Antiarc | Did you fix the one with raid chat being off by default and turning it on not persisting? |
| 10:17.33 | Antiarc | What I saw of it was great |
| 10:17.41 | AlexanderYoshi | Uhh, I am not coder on that screen |
| 10:17.46 | Antiarc | Far easier to use than previous chat config iterations |
| 10:17.48 | Shirik | Antiarc: tbh, none of my stuff is persisting |
| 10:17.52 | Xinhuan | what about optimizable parts of code? |
| 10:17.54 | Antiarc | Okay, I'll post a message in a thread |
| 10:17.56 | Shirik | WoW seems to keep setting WTF to read only |
| 10:18.05 | AlexanderYoshi | Oh, please tell me how to optimize it and I'll see if I can fix it |
| 10:18.08 | Shirik | or I'm not removing read onl |
| 10:18.09 | Shirik | not sure |
| 10:18.14 | Antiarc | AlexanderYoshi: Upvalues! Upvalues! :D |
| 10:18.22 | AlexanderYoshi | email is best but I'll read a clean thread too |
| 10:18.40 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 10:18.49 | Xinhuan | me and antiarc will really dig the combat log and mail you something |
| 10:18.55 | AlexanderYoshi | sweet |
| 10:19.02 | AlexanderYoshi | I'll try to do the combat log globals file |
| 10:19.07 | Antiarc | Awesome |
| 10:19.09 | AlexanderYoshi | since you made a good case for that |
| 10:19.11 | Antiarc | Thanks for all your work on this |
| 10:19.21 | Antiarc | It's making doing awesome things SO much easier. |
| 10:19.24 | AlexanderYoshi | Well, your window for feedback is closing |
| 10:19.31 | AlexanderYoshi | please make the best use of it possible |
| 10:19.37 | Xinhuan | how much time do i have? |
| 10:19.40 | Antiarc | Hehe, okay. I'll make sure I register all my complaints quickly :) |
| 10:19.58 | AlexanderYoshi | I can't answer that, but I can say its 1 day less than it was yesterday |
| 10:20.05 | Xinhuan | typical :) |
| 10:20.09 | Antiarc | Hehe. |
| 10:20.46 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: How should we work the combat log over? Want to work on a copy in an SVN somewhere? |
| 10:20.58 | Antiarc | That way we could peer review changes and put together a diff |
| 10:21.07 | Xinhuan | maybe, i believe blizzard uses svn |
| 10:21.20 | Antiarc | Even if they don't, a unified diff is easy to work with |
| 10:21.51 | Antiarc | AlexanderYoshi: Do you know who did the FeedbackUI addon? |
| 10:22.00 | Antiarc | It leaks garbage like a sieve :( |
| 10:22.09 | Xinhuan | LOL its so bad it locked up people's UIs ;p |
| 10:22.21 | AlexanderYoshi | uh |
| 10:22.27 | AlexanderYoshi | I believe that was an external team |
| 10:22.33 | Antiarc | Heheh |
| 10:22.33 | Xinhuan | /facepalm |
| 10:22.35 | Antiarc | I'll beleive it. |
| 10:22.45 | AlexanderYoshi | If you have a specific fix in mind, email me and I'll find out who worked on it |
| 10:22.47 | Antiarc | It's pretty brutal in terms of garbage, CPU, and taint |
| 10:22.53 | Antiarc | I don't, just a general observation |
| 10:22.57 | Shirik | AlexanderYoshi, werent' you going to sleep? ;) |
| 10:23.01 | Antiarc | But I can do a quick scan for obvious optimization points |
| 10:23.11 | Shirik | you're as bad as Cairenn |
| 10:23.42 | Xinhuan | there's nothing obvious that can be optimized really Antiarc, since its a UI that only responds to user input, and not something that runs OnUpdate etc |
| 10:24.14 | Antiarc | Hrm, I noticed it growing a ton when I was just autoattacking to benchmark Threat |
| 10:24.16 | AlexanderYoshi | Well |
| 10:24.25 | AlexanderYoshi | I would go to bed with my beautiful wife |
| 10:24.29 | AlexanderYoshi | but i don't have one |
| 10:24.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 10:24.34 | Antiarc | aww :( |
| 10:24.42 | AlexanderYoshi | So instead I stay here and chat with people I've only heard of in stores. |
| 10:25.43 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 10:25.50 | AlexanderYoshi | :) |
| 10:25.50 | cncfanatics | how is everyone ? :p |
| 10:25.54 | AlexanderYoshi | That was meant to be funny |
| 10:25.55 | AlexanderYoshi | sorry |
| 10:26.14 | Antiarc | Heh, I have a beautiful wife and I still stay here and chat with people :P |
| 10:26.21 | Xinhuan | we are dancing because blizzard implemented UnitGUID() cncfanatics |
| 10:26.30 | Antiarc | I am -still- giddy about UnitGUID |
| 10:26.30 | Xinhuan | well not on the ptr yet, but still |
| 10:26.44 | Antiarc | AlexanderYoshi: Do you have a timeframe in which UnitGUID will be on the PTR that you can tell us about? |
| 10:26.47 | Antiarc | If not, no biggue |
| 10:26.55 | Antiarc | But I'm like a kid on Christmas eve :P |
| 10:27.12 | AlexanderYoshi | I really can't say |
| 10:27.16 | cncfanatics | thet did ? |
| 10:27.17 | Antiarc | Fair enough |
| 10:27.18 | cncfanatics | they* |
| 10:27.20 | cncfanatics | yay ! |
| 10:27.28 | AlexanderYoshi | Maybe within a week if no major crashes are found, etc. |
| 10:27.35 | AlexanderYoshi | More if problems crop up |
| 10:27.39 | AlexanderYoshi | It IS development, you know |
| 10:27.50 | cncfanatics | AlexanderYoshi: you're at blizz ? |
| 10:27.51 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 10:27.55 | Xinhuan | ya cnc |
| 10:28.29 | Xinhuan | i saw slouken pop by last week |
| 10:28.56 | cncfanatics | how nice :o |
| 10:29.08 | cncfanatics | I'm barely ever online when they do though :( damn timezones ^^ |
| 10:29.08 | Xinhuan | i like the new Blink change |
| 10:29.18 | Xinhuan | its like 1/4 as effective as rogue's cheat death :D |
| 10:29.19 | batrick | that's the first time I've seen slouken in here |
| 10:29.24 | Xinhuan | except its deep in the arcane tree |
| 10:29.25 | batrick | did he used to come in here a lot? |
| 10:29.30 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 10:29.37 | Xinhuan | he just popped by to say hi and left 10 min later |
| 10:29.41 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: what will blink do ? |
| 10:29.42 | AlexanderYoshi | Yeah |
| 10:29.47 | batrick | well ya, i was there for that |
| 10:29.52 | Xinhuan | blink's mana cost reduced to about half |
| 10:29.57 | batrick | wondered if he came by a bit during the early days :) |
| 10:29.58 | AlexanderYoshi | We try to avoid too much public exposure. |
| 10:30.04 | Xinhuan | improved blink changed to give 4 secs 25% avoidance of all attacks |
| 10:30.08 | Xinhuan | on blinking |
| 10:30.12 | AlexanderYoshi | It's dangerous and we tend to get spammed with stuff we can't fix. |
| 10:30.25 | cncfanatics | AlexanderYoshi: even on wowi ? |
| 10:30.29 | batrick | Xinhuan: really? |
| 10:30.35 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 10:30.39 | batrick | is this a new change? I didn't see it in the patch notes :O |
| 10:30.43 | Xinhuan | lifetap changed to give 15% hp --> 15% mana |
| 10:30.45 | Xinhuan | it sucks big time |
| 10:30.48 | batrick | might be worth playing a mage again for stuff like that |
| 10:30.53 | Xinhuan | 15% of your max hp to 15% of your max mana |
| 10:31.06 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.06 | Xinhuan | i.e a pretty big slap to locks since their gear gives more stam than int |
| 10:31.07 | cncfanatics | funny |
| 10:31.12 | cncfanatics | thats really funny |
| 10:31.17 | cncfanatics | lock nerfs <3 |
| 10:31.22 | batrick | they f'ing deserve it <3 |
| 10:31.34 | batrick | locks pissed me off to no end |
| 10:31.36 | Xinhuan | can't downrank either, only 1 rank! |
| 10:31.43 | Xinhuan | so you either lose that 2.1k hp, or none |
| 10:31.44 | cncfanatics | win |
| 10:31.46 | batrick | too me and my shadow priest friend 2 minutes to kill a fucking demonology lock |
| 10:31.50 | batrick | it's rediculous |
| 10:32.07 | AlexanderYoshi | well, I'm a bit concerned that while it's a nice change for pvp |
| 10:32.19 | AlexanderYoshi | it hits PvE demo locks a bit too hard |
| 10:32.27 | AlexanderYoshi | destro locks will keep tapping |
| 10:32.32 | batrick | lol pve demo lock |
| 10:32.32 | AlexanderYoshi | affliction locks barely tap |
| 10:32.40 | batrick | are you serious? |
| 10:32.46 | AlexanderYoshi | ... I was a PvE demo lock and kept pace with our best rogues |
| 10:32.52 | batrick | o wait |
| 10:32.53 | AlexanderYoshi | At least until the end of T5 |
| 10:32.58 | AlexanderYoshi | then I respecced to destro |
| 10:33.00 | batrick | nvm |
| 10:33.01 | cncfanatics | AlexanderYoshi: why not make it synergistic with the pet ? it could tap from both the lock's hp and the pet's hp |
| 10:33.03 | AlexanderYoshi | for shadowbolt spam ftw |
| 10:33.06 | Antiarc | pve demo locks do awesome damage |
| 10:33.20 | cncfanatics | (with a talent ofc) |
| 10:33.42 | AlexanderYoshi | Haha, our class team is good |
| 10:33.49 | AlexanderYoshi | they're doing what they think is best for the game |
| 10:33.54 | AlexanderYoshi | even if I think it hurts my class |
| 10:33.59 | cncfanatics | they have been proved wrong a few times though :p |
| 10:34.18 | Falcon213 | I'm not one to side with locks, but I think this is dumb |
| 10:34.20 | AlexanderYoshi | PvE destro locks are definately OP, I think ISB needs a nerfbat, but that's just me, not the class designers. |
| 10:34.27 | AlexanderYoshi | Rather than lifetap |
| 10:34.30 | Falcon213 | it should be 15% hp gives same amount of mana |
| 10:34.36 | Falcon213 | imo |
| 10:34.38 | AlexanderYoshi | *shrug* |
| 10:34.41 | AlexanderYoshi | then it wouldn't be a nerf |
| 10:34.54 | cncfanatics | AlexanderYoshi: if you don't mind me asking, what is the class' team thoughts on prot palas ? :) |
| 10:34.57 | Falcon213 | isn't it a set amount now? |
| 10:35.15 | AlexanderYoshi | Well, obviously they like prot pallies, since they are doing quite well. |
| 10:35.23 | Falcon213 | and doesn't it take into account spell damage? |
| 10:35.37 | Antiarc | AlexanderYoshi: Can you have them talk to the item guys and let them know that nobody uses daggers? :( |
| 10:35.42 | AlexanderYoshi | haha |
| 10:35.47 | Antiarc | Sunwell with a billion new melee daggers makes me sad |
| 10:35.49 | cncfanatics | agree |
| 10:35.54 | AlexanderYoshi | That was a bit funny |
| 10:35.58 | AlexanderYoshi | 4 daggers, no swords |
| 10:36.02 | Antiarc | I have a bag full of epic daggers that I put Unholy on and stand around shattrath with to piss off non-raiders |
| 10:36.26 | Xinhuan | daggers? hehe |
| 10:36.26 | AlexanderYoshi | I don't know what the logic was there |
| 10:36.34 | AlexanderYoshi | But it was likely intentional |
| 10:36.55 | cncfanatics | err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x16e0e0 "?" wait timed out in thread 002a, blocked by 0000, retrying (60 sec) |
| 10:36.56 | AlexanderYoshi | Its outside of my area. |
| 10:37.04 | cncfanatics | got fucking damnit I hate it when this error happens |
| 10:37.23 | cncfanatics | wine ftl for that kind of stuff :( |
| 10:38.11 | cncfanatics | AlexanderYoshi: there aren't any plans to make WoW native on linux are there ? |
| 10:38.40 | AlexanderYoshi | uh |
| 10:38.51 | AlexanderYoshi | How many linux gamers are there compared to mac and pc? |
| 10:39.02 | Falcon213 | I would if it was native |
| 10:39.20 | cncfanatics | AlexanderYoshi: on this channel, a lot, in general, I have no idea |
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| 10:39.33 | Falcon213 | instead installed xp on media computer so I could put wow on it as well =/ |
| 10:39.46 | AlexanderYoshi | Well, I am pretty sure its less than 1% compared to the mac or pc market |
| 10:39.57 | AlexanderYoshi | and its really expensive to support a platform |
| 10:39.59 | Dezzimal | don't most of the people who work in WoW QA usually want to keep a low profile? |
| 10:40.07 | AlexanderYoshi | They do. |
| 10:40.11 | AlexanderYoshi | I'm not in QA |
| 10:40.18 | AlexanderYoshi | However, I tried to keep a low profile too. |
| 10:40.28 | Dezzimal | I know a couple and they get in trouble whenever someone mentions what they do |
| 10:40.29 | Dezzimal | ingame |
| 10:40.30 | AlexanderYoshi | Someone ratted me out. I can leave if you'd feel better about it? |
| 10:40.33 | Xinhuan | well this channel typically has *half* the number of users compared to #wowace |
| 10:40.49 | cncfanatics | #wowace does have a lot of anoying people too though :p |
| 10:40.59 | AlexanderYoshi | now I have to go and see |
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| 10:41.29 | Dezzimal | interesting tidbit they told me was that there is no PvP QA team |
| 10:41.34 | Dezzimal | which is kind of boggling to me |
| 10:41.43 | cncfanatics | haha AlexanderYoshi, nice one :p |
| 10:41.46 | Dezzimal | with how many pvp based changes have been made |
| 10:42.16 | AlexanderYoshi | Nobody responded to my joke, Xin. |
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| 10:42.28 | cncfanatics | AlexanderYoshi: most people ignore such stuff on #wowace :( |
| 10:42.32 | cncfanatics | as you noticed |
| 10:43.08 | Xinhuan | its kinda a "geeky" kind of code chat in there |
| 10:43.18 | AlexanderYoshi | Yeah |
| 10:43.26 | AlexanderYoshi | Its like trying to use your addons, Xinhuan |
| 10:43.31 | AlexanderYoshi | :) |
| 10:43.35 | cncfanatics | hehe |
| 10:43.36 | Xinhuan | /facepalm |
| 10:43.39 | cncfanatics | they're better then mine at least |
| 10:43.53 | Xinhuan | yes where's that flexbar2 config everyone wants? ;p |
| 10:44.07 | cncfanatics | there is a gui, I didn't make it though |
| 10:44.15 | AlexanderYoshi | Did anyone see the "Party at Google's House" video on College Humor.com? |
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| 10:45.07 | cncfanatics | nope |
| 10:45.16 | E | Hi i will create a addon and i have a problem |
| 10:45.18 | AlexanderYoshi | Go watch it |
| 10:45.27 | AlexanderYoshi | o rly? |
| 10:45.49 | cncfanatics | AlexanderYoshi: can blizz make the difference between linux with wine & a windows platform ? |
| 10:46.11 | cncfanatics | I mean, does WoW see the difference |
| 10:46.22 | E | How can i open an close frames with buttons ? |
| 10:46.25 | AlexanderYoshi | I'm sorry, that's not a question I can answer. |
| 10:46.53 | cncfanatics | E: button:SetScript("OnClick", function() FrameName:Hide(); end); |
| 10:47.09 | cncfanatics | ok AlexanderYoshi, thought so |
| 10:48.56 | E | hmm i have a frame called Mainframe with buttons now i want that that the button opens frame1 |
| 10:49.33 | Xinhuan | LOL blackrock down! Run roh! |
| 10:49.43 | cncfanatics | E: same thing |
| 10:49.55 | cncfanatics | button:SetScript("OnClick", function() Frame1:Show(); end); |
| 10:50.37 | E | thanx iam new in this scripting so sorry for my noob questions |
| 10:51.12 | cncfanatics | np E, everyone has to start somewhere |
| 10:51.25 | cncfanatics | updating wine made my FPS increase by 10, yay |
| 10:51.33 | AlexanderYoshi | grats! |
| 10:51.39 | AlexanderYoshi | Go FSF! |
| 10:52.12 | cncfanatics | FSF ? :( |
| 10:52.26 | cncfanatics | free software foundation or something else ? :p |
| 10:52.27 | break19 | fyi, leopard graphics update.. a day or two ago... seems to have helped (not just, but other games using ogl) |
| 10:52.55 | Xinhuan | who's going to buy a 9600 hehe |
| 10:52.59 | AlexanderYoshi | lol who's Adrine |
| 10:52.59 | AlexanderYoshi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.59 | AlexanderYoshi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.05 | AlexanderYoshi | svn del LibGUIDRegistry-0.1 |
| 10:53.05 | AlexanderYoshi | svn del LibGUIDSynch-0.1 |
| 10:53.07 | AlexanderYoshi | lol |
| 10:53.09 | AlexanderYoshi | that's hilarious |
| 10:53.13 | Xinhuan | AlexanderYoshi, that is Antiarc |
| 10:53.15 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 10:53.18 | AlexanderYoshi | ahahah |
| 10:53.20 | AlexanderYoshi | awesome |
| 10:53.51 | Xinhuan | he's joking, because they aren't deletable until the next ptr patch |
| 10:53.52 | Xinhuan | :p |
| 10:54.20 | AlexanderYoshi | :-P |
| 10:54.27 | cncfanatics | are PTR char transfers up ? |
| 10:54.27 | Xinhuan | even so LibGUIDRegistry-0.1 will still have some functions that allow you to get the gender/race/class/etc of guids, assuming unit tooltips aren't pulled yet |
| 10:54.47 | AlexanderYoshi | This remind me. |
| 10:54.52 | AlexanderYoshi | I really need a WoW forum name. |
| 10:55.03 | Shirik | night all |
| 10:55.09 | AlexanderYoshi | If I keep going by my real nickname, I'm going to get killed eventully by an angry gamer. |
| 10:55.10 | E | I want a text field that creates a variable like this : i want the command .lookup tele (variable) with a send button |
| 10:55.32 | cncfanatics | AlexanderYoshi: are you EU or US based ? |
| 10:55.41 | Xinhuan | he's in US |
| 10:55.45 | E | is a eu based server |
| 10:55.49 | break19 | suggestion: Xeloshi |
| 10:56.15 | break19 | or just Xelosh |
| 10:56.20 | AlexanderYoshi | Wow, that's actually pretty damn cool |
| 10:56.26 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: Off the top of your head, do you know if an "if not x" or "x = x or default" is faster? |
| 10:56.35 | Antiarc | I should write a benchmark! |
| 10:56.45 | [Ammo] | Antiarc: there are 2 situations |
| 10:56.49 | [Ammo] | a = b or c |
| 10:56.52 | Shirik|zZz | x = x or default should be faster |
| 10:56.53 | [Ammo] | a = a or b |
| 10:56.55 | break19 | yea.. i have my cool moments.. shame i wasted this year's on you :( |
| 10:57.01 | Antiarc | a = a or b |
| 10:57.05 | Antiarc | Is the one I'm interested in |
| 10:57.15 | Xinhuan | i personally go with x = x or default |
| 10:57.24 | [Ammo] | I like the style of a = a or b |
| 10:57.30 | [Ammo] | but I think the ifcheck is faster :) |
| 10:57.30 | Xinhuan | unless x is a table lookup |
| 10:57.33 | [Ammo] | one less assignement |
| 10:57.40 | Xinhuan | if x is a table lookup, then it is slower |
| 10:57.42 | Antiarc | x is indeed a table lookup in this case. |
| 10:57.48 | Shirik|zZz | no it's not |
| 10:57.54 | Shirik|zZz | you still have the same lookups either way |
| 10:58.00 | Antiarc | if ( not filter.eventList ) then |
| 10:58.00 | Antiarc | filter.eventList = {}; |
| 10:58.00 | Antiarc | end |
| 10:58.02 | Antiarc | vs: |
| 10:58.02 | Xinhuan | because x[a] = x[a] + b is 2 table lookups that both happen either way |
| 10:58.08 | Antiarc | filter.eventList = filter.eventList or {} |
| 10:58.08 | Xinhuan | while if you do |
| 10:58.16 | Shirik|zZz | That's not true Xinhuan |
| 10:58.17 | Xinhuan | if not x[a] then <-- this only does 1 lookup if it fails |
| 10:58.25 | Xinhuan | i mean if it passes |
| 10:58.28 | Shirik|zZz | There's only one lookup until you get into the testing case |
| 10:58.40 | [Ammo] | which is faster if you're using it to default |
| 10:58.41 | Shirik|zZz | wait |
| 10:58.42 | Shirik|zZz | I'm drunk |
| 10:58.48 | Shirik|zZz | I'm going to go to sleep because I'm confusing myself |
| 10:58.49 | Xinhuan | i'm sure you are drunk |
| 10:59.05 | E | ? sorry iam new so how works it now ? |
| 10:59.09 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 10:59.24 | cncfanatics | E: I suggest you go to wowwiki and lookup step by step how widgets work |
| 10:59.27 | [Ammo] | a = a or b = use ifcheck, a = b or c = use a = b or c I tihnk :) |
| 10:59.30 | cncfanatics | its a lot of stuff to explain for your question |
| 10:59.39 | Shirik|zZz | thing is |
| 10:59.42 | break19 | 5am, on a saturday morning.. i managed to get 2hrs of sleep.. and now I cant go back to sleep.. had to get yp with my 5month old.. meh.. if ya'll ever want to sleep again.. do NOT HAVE KIDS |
| 10:59.43 | AlexanderYoshi | sorry break19, I know you would have prefered to share that moment with your girl of choice |
| 10:59.48 | Shirik|zZz | if the Lua compiler is intelligent it can do a slight optimization on that line |
| 10:59.55 | Shirik|zZz | without breaking anything |
| 10:59.58 | Xinhuan | except the lua is terrible |
| 11:00.01 | [Ammo] | Shirik|zZz: true, but we don't know that :) |
| 11:00.02 | Xinhuan | and doesn't do any optimization |
| 11:00.06 | Shirik|zZz | right |
| 11:00.27 | cncfanatics | the lua compiler does exactly what you told it to |
| 11:00.40 | Shirik|zZz | But there's two ways of doing that |
| 11:00.41 | Shirik|zZz | that's what I'm saying |
| 11:00.43 | break19 | AlexanderYoshi: oh, i'm married.. i don't need to be cool with her. she already knows me.. he |
| 11:00.47 | break19 | heh* |
| 11:00.48 | Shirik|zZz | You don't need to look up x twice |
| 11:00.55 | Shirik|zZz | it can't possibly change |
| 11:00.58 | Xinhuan | for example, if you have a line that says "A = {} for k, v in pairs(t) do A[k] = v + 2 end" |
| 11:01.17 | Xinhuan | and if you have another line that says "A = {} for k, v in pairs(t) do v = v + 2; A[k] = v end" |
| 11:01.23 | Shirik|zZz | I'm going to sleep, night |
| 11:01.26 | Xinhuan | the second case is "better" by 1 register |
| 11:01.33 | Shirik|zZz | meeting in 4 hours, that's going to suck |
| 11:01.42 | E | k last question then i try your information |
| 11:01.46 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: is the second case faster ? :io |
| 11:01.55 | AlexanderYoshi | Now I don't feel bad about stealign your moment of brilliance for the year |
| 11:01.59 | Xinhuan | its nto faster, but its better as it uses 1 less register |
| 11:02.01 | Xinhuan | as it doesn't need to use a extra register to hold the v+2 value |
| 11:02.04 | Shirik|zZz | er |
| 11:02.14 | Shirik|zZz | Xinhuan, there are no registers in Lua, only a stack |
| 11:02.21 | E | i want a field that shows me this command local minimapzonetext = GetMinimapZoneText(); |
| 11:02.22 | Xinhuan | yeah but lua is implemented in C |
| 11:02.23 | Shirik|zZz | and v+2 will be pushed onto it either way |
| 11:02.36 | Shirik|zZz | that's irrelevant. Lua will do x+2 and push it onto the stack either way |
| 11:02.39 | Xinhuan | well it saves a 4 byte stack slot then |
| 11:02.41 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 11:02.44 | Shirik|zZz | and then call lua_settable to put it into the table |
| 11:02.50 | Shirik|zZz | no it doesn't because it does the same thing both ways |
| 11:02.52 | E | like the minimap symbol |
| 11:03.04 | Xinhuan | i'm sure iriel posted this before somewhere |
| 11:03.10 | Shirik|zZz | it has to use up that slot even for v = v+2 because of the way Lua works |
| 11:03.19 | Shirik|zZz | it has to do the full evaluation before going to the variable to which it is being assigned |
| 11:03.23 | Shirik|zZz | you're just moving around the operation |
| 11:03.36 | Shirik|zZz | At the time of A[k]=v, yes, you will be 4 bytes lower on the stack |
| 11:03.42 | Shirik|zZz | But you will have been at the same point on the operation before |
| 11:03.56 | Shirik|zZz | actually it will be ... 8? Whatever the size of a double is |
| 11:04.03 | Shirik|zZz | I forget |
| 11:05.05 | Shirik|zZz | If I didn't need to go to sleep I'd show you the C code to prove it, but why don't you do a luac -c and see for yourself |
| 11:05.09 | Shirik|zZz | that should show you all the stack operations |
| 11:05.26 | Shirik|zZz | er |
| 11:05.27 | Shirik|zZz | luac -l |
| 11:05.37 | break19 | meh. *yearns for the good old days of programming.. if it couldnt be done in C64 basic, it wasn't worth doing..* |
| 11:05.39 | Xinhuan | there is a iriel post somewhere where he says the second case is better by 1 stack slot |
| 11:05.49 | Xinhuan | anyway not that it really matters |
| 11:05.50 | Shirik|zZz | it is better at the time of assigning A[k], yes |
| 11:05.53 | Xinhuan | the speed is the same |
| 11:05.54 | E | i yust want the result of local minimapzonetext = GetMinimapZoneText(); in a field |
| 11:06.00 | Shirik|zZz | But that's not important because you used the same space one operation ago |
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| 11:07.03 | Xinhuan | hmm i'm hugry |
| 11:07.06 | Xinhuan | hungry |
| 11:07.30 | cncfanatics | E: if you know how to make the field (check wowiki for that): use field:SetText( GetMinimapZoneText()); |
| 11:08.14 | E | thanx that was i want i have the field |
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| 11:28.38 | h | @ cncfanatic I tryed your code (function Button4_OnClick() |
| 11:28.38 | h | button:SetScript("OnClick", function() Frame1:Show(); end); |
| 11:28.59 | h | and i get a error code like this ..\AddOns\WowAddon1\Frame.lua line 17: attempt to index global 'button' (a nil value)Debug: [C]: ? WowAddon1\Frame.lua:17: Button5_OnClick() [string "*:OnClick"]:1: [string "*:OnClick"]:1 |
| 11:29.08 | h | what is wrong |
| 11:30.10 | cncfanatics | eh |
| 11:30.14 | cncfanatics | you didn't try my code there |
| 11:30.18 | cncfanatics | and please get a nickname |
| 11:30.33 | cncfanatics | go read about how to do it on wowwiki :) |
| 11:30.38 | Opachl | better |
| 11:30.46 | cncfanatics | much |
| 11:30.51 | cncfanatics | www.wowwiki.com |
| 11:30.52 | Tem | Anyone remember what the change was to profession bags a while back? |
| 11:30.57 | Tem | wrt to gem and mining bags |
| 11:31.11 | Opachl | button:SetScript("OnClick", function() Frame1:Show(); end); |
| 11:31.16 | Opachl | that was yours |
| 11:31.41 | cncfanatics | yes, with slight modification it shld work for you |
| 11:35.45 | Opachl | hm i use the addon Studio when i click on my created button was there a genereted code like this |
| 11:35.47 | Opachl | function Button5_OnClick() |
| 11:36.15 | cncfanatics | www.wowwiki.com |
| 11:36.26 | Opachl | i added than your code button:SetScript("OnClick", function() Frame:Show(); end); |
| 11:36.38 | Opachl | pls this question |
| 11:36.47 | Opachl | i will read the page |
| 11:37.00 | cncfanatics | rename button to what it should be then |
| 11:37.03 | Fisker- | HALP cncfanatics |
| 11:37.04 | cncfanatics | and frame to what it should be |
| 11:37.05 | Fisker- | i'm falling! |
| 11:37.13 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: fall faster ! you'll get hurt mopre |
| 11:37.30 | Fisker- | you're not a good friend :( |
| 11:37.53 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: I'm your friend ? :o :) |
| 11:38.02 | Opachl | button5:SetScript("OnClick", function() Frame:Show(); end); is this right |
| 11:38.19 | cncfanatics | if button5 is your button's name yes |
| 11:38.30 | cncfanatics | I understood from your previous code it was Button5 though (caps matter) |
| 11:38.44 | cncfanatics | I'm also suposing that Frame ain't your frame's name |
| 11:38.49 | cncfanatics | so change that too |
| 11:39.41 | Fisker- | yes |
| 11:39.46 | Fisker- | you are my friend :( |
| 11:39.50 | Fisker- | my only friend :( |
| 11:40.05 | cncfanatics | HALP ! |
| 11:42.48 | Opachl | hm i tryed with renamend button same error |
| 11:43.08 | Opachl | the second frame will not opend :( |
| 11:43.50 | Opachl | function Mainbutton_OnClick() |
| 11:43.50 | Opachl | Mainbutton:SetScript("OnClick", function() Frame:Show(); end); |
| 11:43.50 | Opachl | end |
| 11:44.04 | Opachl | thats now the script |
| 11:44.23 | Opachl | in the file frame2.lua |
| 11:44.46 | Opachl | and i will call the hidden frame called Frame |
| 11:45.11 | Opachl | in the file frame.lua |
| 11:45.33 | Opachl | frame.xml sorry |
| 11:45.47 | cncfanatics | no no no no no |
| 11:45.53 | cncfanatics | do you even read what I say ? |
| 11:46.01 | cncfanatics | its Mainbutton:SetScript("OnClick", function() Frame:Show(); end); |
| 11:46.10 | cncfanatics | why do you enclose it with function Mainbutton_Onclick ? |
| 11:46.11 | cncfanatics | remove that |
| 11:46.20 | Opachl | k |
| 11:46.30 | cncfanatics | and now I'm logging out |
| 11:46.32 | cncfanatics | bye peeps |
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| 13:13.39 | Lunessa | ... station |
| 13:19.44 | foxlit | #$%#@#! |
| 13:20.57 | foxlit | Damn it |
| 13:21.11 | foxlit | UI scale resizes a frame |
| 13:21.22 | foxlit | Frame has an attached edge file |
| 13:21.33 | foxlit | Edge file gets antialiased |
| 13:23.09 | foxlit | Semi-transparent border on the sides of the frame renders differently because the top, unlike the borders, is also semi-transparent |
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| 13:29.43 | Lunessa | so basically... it's f'ing ugly when scaled. |
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| 13:31.12 | foxlit | It's inconsistent when it's scaled. |
| 13:32.18 | Lunessa | Edit the edge file. don't rely on anti-aliasing for images which will be scaled. It sucks, but what can you do? |
| 13:32.51 | foxlit | Edit the edge file to what? |
| 13:33.11 | zenzelezz | http://www.shipmentoffail.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/clinton.jpg |
| 13:34.18 | Lunessa | Blow it up really big and smooth the image by making the lines/graients a smooth, solid color rather than half-tones. I'm not describing it well, but basically make any "jagged" areas smooth. |
| 13:35.51 | foxlit | And then rely on anti-aliasing to clean that up? |
| 13:41.50 | foxlit | http://www.spirit-dreams.org/box/edge.png |
| 13:41.54 | Lunessa | I wouldn't anti-alias anything I don't have too. |
| 13:42.25 | Lunessa | I see what you mean. |
| 13:42.38 | Lunessa | Make the edges a little wider. |
| 13:44.05 | foxlit | Thing is, fading borders don't look good when stretched over more than a few pixels |
| 13:44.15 | foxlit | [said the guy running Leopard] |
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| 13:45.02 | Lunessa | <--- Running Leopard right now. |
| 13:45.12 | foxlit | drop shadow effect on those windows :P |
| 13:45.17 | Buuyo | whatever happened to vector graphics ;) |
| 13:46.21 | Lunessa | They're not useful for lots of things. |
| 13:46.36 | foxlit | Think I can extend the black lines on the left side of that to include the corner gradients |
| 13:46.51 | foxlit | Would look odd, but still not quite as bad as the right side |
| 13:53.07 | foxlit | Lunessa: would making the transparent edge wider help (how?)? |
| 13:53.38 | Lunessa | No, not the transparent edge. Make the color edge a pixel or two wider. |
| 13:54.05 | Lunessa | It'll blend better visually when scaled. |
| 13:54.10 | foxlit | the solid colored stuff? |
| 13:54.25 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 13:54.38 | foxlit | It's already quite wide? |
| 13:55.00 | Lunessa | From your link, I assume you mean for the borders to be the gray lines, right? |
| 13:55.14 | foxlit | The stuff at the botton is the edge file |
| 13:55.24 | foxlit | Colored to be completely black; gray-scale is transparency |
| 13:55.30 | Lunessa | Ok |
| 13:55.49 | Lunessa | Don't anti-alias the edges. |
| 13:56.55 | zenzelezz | I don't think he does, I think the game is doing it... unless I misunderstood |
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| 13:59.00 | foxlit | Problem is that we both do - I want a gradient fade out on the border and a semi-transparent top, game resizes texture, sees the semi-transparent top next to a semi-transparent border and further increases transparency on the border when resizing the texture to fit UI scale |
| 14:01.46 | foxlit | So the border, which has the exact same color in the edge file, ends up colored differently depending on the bordering pixels |
| 14:01.51 | Lunessa | Well, this is why I like simple solid colors for tiny textures. |
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| 14:32.01 | cncfanatics | someone, how does tourguide compare to joana's (leveling speed wise) |
| 14:34.12 | cncfanatics | anyone knows ? :p |
| 14:34.22 | Maldivia | never used any guides, so no idea here |
| 14:49.25 | Tem | cncfanatics, leveling speed is irrelevent |
| 14:49.28 | Tem | TG++ |
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| 14:49.45 | Tem | I just did 30-60 with TG and it was great |
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| 14:53.16 | cncfanatics | Tem: I'm 22 atm |
| 14:53.22 | cncfanatics | and I kinda want to be 70 fast, as I'm rerolling |
| 14:53.28 | Tem | *nod* |
| 14:53.51 | cncfanatics | which means speed is relevant :) |
| 14:54.09 | Tem | just trust me that TG is great |
| 14:54.12 | zenzelezz | depending on how fast you mean, I've always just kept questing and that has gone reasonably fast |
| 14:54.16 | cncfanatics | Tem: will do :p |
| 14:54.20 | Tem | TG |
| 14:54.26 | Tem | + tomtom = <3 |
| 14:54.29 | cncfanatics | zenzelezz: basiclyh I want to level as fast as possible |
| 14:54.32 | cncfanatics | Tem: I got tomtom too ofc |
| 14:54.42 | Tem | cncfanatics, alliance or horde? |
| 14:55.17 | cncfanatics | horde |
| 14:55.27 | cncfanatics | on kazzak, for the record :p |
| 14:55.31 | Tem | k, I'm not 100% sure how horde has it as I'm alliance |
| 14:55.45 | Tem | but be ready for a little bit of a hiccup around level 40 |
| 14:55.51 | Tem | other than that, <3 TG |
| 14:56.23 | cncfanatics | why a hiccup around 40 ? |
| 14:57.26 | zenzelezz | 30-40 was always the slow spot for me; but I imagine it should be easier now with the new Dustwallow quests |
| 14:57.41 | foxlit | 30-40 is desolace / SMV? |
| 14:57.51 | foxlit | Arathi |
| 14:57.57 | foxlit | Alterac |
| 14:59.35 | cncfanatics | did TG get updated for dustwallow ? |
| 14:59.42 | cncfanatics | there's only dustwallow at 37-38 in TG for horde |
| 15:03.48 | cncfanatics | so, did TG get updated for dustwallow ? :p |
| 15:03.55 | JoshBorke | dunno |
| 15:03.59 | JoshBorke | it was updated yesterday or this morning |
| 15:04.04 | JoshBorke | why don't you download and see? |
| 15:04.25 | cncfanatics | I did ofc |
| 15:04.32 | cncfanatics | it doesn't seem to have a lot of dustwallow in it |
| 15:04.35 | cncfanatics | only 2 levels |
| 15:04.40 | cncfanatics | 37->38 and 42>43 |
| 15:06.39 | JoshBorke | doesn't sound like it then |
| 15:07.12 | cncfanatics | :( |
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| 15:18.55 | Riffage | anyone else just get PTR world down? |
| 15:18.57 | zenzelezz | how does TourGuide group quests, by zone? |
| 15:18.57 | Riffage | (EU) |
| 15:19.01 | sysrage | why's muh swatter exclamation mark bubble thing not hiding itself anymore? |
| 15:19.44 | Riffage | (14:32) cncfanatics: someone, how does tourguide compare to joana's (leveling speed wise) |
| 15:19.51 | Kirkburn | Riffage, aye |
| 15:19.53 | Riffage | i used Joana's for leveling a hunter |
| 15:20.02 | Riffage | if i hadnt messed around, id have been around 5-6days to 60 |
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| 15:25.48 | cncfanatics | anyone that used tourguide can tell me his played to 60 ? |
| 15:56.26 | Lunessa | Oh, he told me. Oh yes, he surely did. I'm so chastised. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4823214958&sid=1 |
| 16:00.45 | cncfanatics | Lunessa: that guy is an idiot |
| 16:01.08 | cncfanatics | a total fucking retard even |
| 16:01.45 | Lunessa | Oh yes. Perhaps my dry delivery of sarcasm failed to pass through text; I was merely trying to amuse with droll humor my fellow channel inhabitants. |
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| 16:07.38 | Lunessa | I think |Jelly| just used my new favorite word - cockbags. |
| 16:07.50 | |Jelly| | It's the truth. |
| 16:07.52 | |Jelly| | :P |
| 16:08.01 | |Jelly| | He's just ass hurt because he didn't get the answer he was expecting. |
| 16:08.38 | Lunessa | I'm adding that word to my favorites list. It goes next to fucktard and asshat. |
| 16:18.59 | cncfanatics | why does he want auctioneer to be banned anyway ? |
| 16:25.54 | Lunessa | Because he's a cockback, asshat, fucktard who doesn't understand that his buddy got banned for breaking the rules. |
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| 16:46.03 | Lunessa | *hugs Peppy* |
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| 17:56.28 | Lunessa | Irony, they has it. |
| 17:58.30 | Shirik | has you of the irony? |
| 18:00.24 | Lunessa | Ceiling Cat is ironically non-ironic? |
| 18:01.27 | Lunessa | Shirik: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4823214958&sid=1 - the last few posts. |
| 18:06.23 | Shirik | Warning, but unconfirmed: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4823645039&sid=1 |
| 18:06.40 | Shirik | it may be the same thing we saw a long time ago |
| 18:07.35 | Lunessa | the notepad add on post? |
| 18:09.12 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:09.30 | Shirik | I asked the OP if he/she could get me a link to the file in question |
| 18:10.32 | Lunessa | It never ceases to amaze me what people will blindly install. |
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| 18:11.56 | Cairenn|afk | wait, what? incgamers /might/ be infected again?! |
| 18:12.24 | Shirik | I honestly think the user's just crazy |
| 18:12.30 | Cairenn | oh, okay then |
| 18:12.33 | Shirik | I can't find the mod he/she's talking about -- but that's what they're saying |
| 18:12.41 | Shirik | until I get a response from him/her I can't know for sure though |
| 18:12.47 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 18:16.41 | Maldivia | Shirik: can't find anything suspicios in the zip for nice papyrus (which is the addon mentioned) |
| 18:18.37 | MentalPower | not again... |
| 18:18.43 | MentalPower | please tell me not again... |
| 18:18.52 | Cairenn | lol, that was my reaction too MentalPower |
| 18:19.09 | Cairenn | it looks like a false alarm though |
| 18:19.19 | MentalPower | ok, good |
| 18:19.26 | MentalPower | I hope it stays that way |
| 18:19.35 | Cairenn | me too |
| 18:19.41 | MentalPower | else I'm going to petition that their web-lines be cut! :P |
| 18:19.49 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 18:20.35 | Keias | is it sadistic that I found the last inc gamers incident amusing? :( |
| 18:20.45 | Lunessa | Dear incgsmers.com - we are sending you missiles on Tuesday, tovarisch. You are having nice day, bye-bye. |
| 18:21.13 | Lunessa | I feel for them, but ... com'on! |
| 18:21.30 | Cairenn | Keias: yes, but it's not surprising and you likely aren't the only one to feel that way, given their responses and attitudes when things like this happen |
| 18:21.40 | Cairenn | Lunessa: heh @ missles |
| 18:21.49 | MoonWolf | i can only say, SIGH not again. |
| 18:22.29 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I cribbed from Robin Williams. |
| 18:22.36 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:23.44 | Lunessa | It was in an old bit about the Cold War, the "hot line" phones nations had installed. |
| 18:24.40 | Cairenn | anyone object to me posting this on the thread? |
| 18:24.40 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.53 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 18:27.19 | Shirik | " when you go to wow.ui there is some kind of link that says download our patcher ( wich silly me i thought it was the tool they used to help you download the mod) but it really didn'd do anything after it downloaded that i could see so i thought nothing of it and went about my wowing day. little did i know that was the cause of the keylogging software i had, i also had downloaded from this site " |
| 18:27.24 | Lunessa | Wait... since when have we ever publicly disapproved of anything you've done? :P |
| 18:27.26 | Shirik | This implies that it is UI Central in question |
| 18:27.38 | Shirik | not that addon, Maldivia |
| 18:27.40 | Cairenn | Shirik: ugh ugh ugh |
| 18:27.57 | Lunessa | They might have an old, bad, wicked infected copy |
| 18:27.59 | Shirik | checking md5 against my known-good copy now |
| 18:28.05 | Shirik | that's true too Lunessa |
| 18:28.07 | zenzelezz | woo, seems 22 is a good level for rogues |
| 18:28.11 | Lunessa | But best to check the current release. |
| 18:28.37 | Cairenn | Lunessa: I'm not always as tactful as I perhaps should be, especially when it comes to things negatively affecting the UI community. |
| 18:28.55 | Cairenn | Shirik: where are you talking to this guy? |
| 18:29.00 | Shirik | CS forums |
| 18:29.00 | Lunessa | Awww... Just be glad I'm not a spokesperson. |
| 18:29.04 | Cairenn | ah |
| 18:29.23 | Keias | I'd be a horrible spokesman, so I know how you feel. |
| 18:29.25 | oreth | Guys |
| 18:29.29 | Keias | i'm too honest for that type of work |
| 18:29.31 | oreth | the US is looking for terrorists... in WoW! |
| 18:29.32 | oreth | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/nations-spies-w.html |
| 18:29.44 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 18:29.48 | Lunessa | I don't really think the world is ready for my style of humor and "help." |
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| 18:32.01 | Cairenn | I do too, but when it comes to ui stuff, I can be rather nasty against the wrong-doers |
| 18:32.30 | Lunessa | I want to help some of them into a meat-grinder, but then we all know I'm a jerk. |
| 18:32.38 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn... I might suggest that you edit your post to be very clear that this infected file is not on your site. The casual reader might assume otherwise.... Just a Peppy-thought |
| 18:32.45 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 18:32.50 | Lopeppeppy | Meatgrinder. I has none. Blender I gots. |
| 18:33.05 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: ^_- |
| 18:33.10 | Lunessa | ... mmmm... blender. |
| 18:33.12 | |pez| | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-preaching-about-lolcats.jpg ;P |
| 18:33.30 | Lunessa | is this were someone says "pix plx" |
| 18:33.32 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: edited |
| 18:33.57 | Cairenn | |pez|: ROFL, cute picture! |
| 18:34.15 | |pez| | Cairenn: and it kinda fit right now. *points at Lopeppeppy!* |
| 18:34.17 | art3mis | http://www.rlslog.net/the-official-death-of-netscape-navigator/ |
| 18:34.21 | Cairenn | :) |
| 18:35.15 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is having a bad day. Encourage me not to blenderize civilians, for it will be done. |
| 18:36.08 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah, drinks at my house! |
| 18:36.11 | Shadowed | wtb ptr that doesn't crash every 20 minutes |
| 18:36.34 | Cairenn | netscape used to be my preferred browser, back in the day |
| 18:36.50 | zenzelezz | peppy: we could restrain you, but I suspect you might enjoy it too much |
| 18:36.55 | |pez| | Lopeppeppy: :D |
| 18:36.59 | art3mis | http://www.rlslog.net/google-launches-30m-lunar-competition/ |
| 18:37.01 | |pez| | zenzelezz: oh you perv. |
| 18:37.06 | zenzelezz | |pez|: you know it |
| 18:37.33 | Lopeppeppy | Anything to make me smile, zenzelezz delivers |
| 18:37.41 | |pez| | takes one to know one I guess! |
| 18:37.59 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I use to love it too. But back when I was at AOL, before we bought them, those guys were full of themselves and couldn't see the future. |
| 18:38.38 | zenzelezz | I have trouble being too harsh about AOL anymore... after all they are in part responsible for Firefox |
| 18:39.02 | |pez| | that's new information. |
| 18:39.08 | |pez| | but I'll still hate AOL with a passion. |
| 18:39.16 | |pez| | for unknown reasons. |
| 18:39.33 | art3mis | http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images_v2/002/534/348/20070116/dyn006_original_800_577_pjpeg_2534348_5bd6ef198c1f063252061eb5dff8868c.jpg |
| 18:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | The little "you've got mail" noise pisses me off irrationally. |
| 18:39.37 | zenzelezz | AOL bought Netscape, and some of those people started the Mozilla thingie... don't remember all the details, but they have some loose ties at least |
| 18:39.44 | Lunessa | *shrug* The gecko engine and lots of cool tech came out of projects I worked on while there. :) I'm happy about it. |
| 18:40.12 | |pez| | art3mis: bunny! |
| 18:40.14 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: aye |
| 18:40.27 | |pez| | We have a bunny back home, small one. It jumps like nothing I've ever seen before. |
| 18:40.29 | art3mis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-bunny-porcupine-flavor.jpg |
| 18:40.35 | Lunessa | In fact, I was still working there when Cairenn first "met" me. |
| 18:40.39 | art3mis | those two pics are my desktop backgrounds ;P |
| 18:40.42 | Cairenn | :) |
| 18:41.10 | art3mis | well the second is the actual pic not the one with words |
| 18:41.15 | mikma | Cairenn: see the link art3mis pasted |
| 18:41.19 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 18:41.43 | Cairenn | I saw a really cute one with a bunny the other day, it was licking its human's nose |
| 18:41.56 | Lunessa | Bunneh! |
| 18:42.03 | art3mis | tanja askani has lots of neat pics if you get bored |
| 18:42.21 | |pez| | Herman used to sit with me in our comfychait at home, well tucked next to my throat/neck |
| 18:42.26 | Cairenn | but I've no idea what channel it was linked in, so the chances of me finding it again are like slim to nil |
| 18:44.48 | art3mis | http://www.technochitlins.com/mt-archives/moonbat.jpg |
| 18:45.13 | art3mis | perhaps bunny licking human is not a good search term ;P (well not to find actual bunnies that is ;) |
| 18:46.36 | Lunessa | .... google is not visually discriminatory. |
| 18:48.49 | Lunessa | So, Cogwheel made sure I would recognize him - He wore his quest-giver hat. |
| 18:49.25 | Cairenn | rofl |
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| 18:50.02 | Lopeppeppy | Nice! |
| 18:51.04 | Kaso | Nooooo, Perry Bible Fellowship is ending :< |
| 18:51.13 | art3mis | http://fredflare.com/images/products_zoom/2331_3902.jpg |
| 18:51.30 | Lunessa | He sent me a txt message "You will recognize my hat." |
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| 18:53.32 | art3mis | boobies yay \o/ http://layoutflux.com/userpics/layouts/thumbnail/i23954F39.jpg <-- sfw |
| 18:53.56 | |pez| | squished boobies. |
| 18:54.13 | Lopeppeppy | I have a hat I wear as well, Lunessa, it just makes things easier on people. |
| 18:54.15 | art3mis | the corset/bustier's only purpose ;P |
| 18:54.42 | |pez| | I like corset thingies that do not actually cover the boobs. |
| 18:54.49 | |pez| | but stops right under them instead. |
| 18:54.57 | |pez| | that kinda requires perkylike boobs though. |
| 18:55.18 | Lunessa | Just excellent support and a good foundation. |
| 18:56.02 | Lunessa | A lot of what is going on in that image is lift from the bustier. |
| 18:57.25 | Lunessa | And correct me if I'm wrong fellas, but mostly we don't care if they're perky all the time. Mostly we care about having /access/. |
| 18:57.35 | art3mis | http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/josephineca/loren-goth-chick-big-breasts.jpg <-- without black background |
| 18:57.50 | Cide | that's not really hot... |
| 18:58.13 | Lunessa | She's had... 'work' done on those. |
| 18:59.01 | Lopeppeppy | You think? Those are more artificial than Splenda. |
| 18:59.07 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 18:59.22 | Lopeppeppy | Thank god she's crushed her ribcage and mutilated her internal organs and can never reproduce. |
| 18:59.37 | Lopeppeppy | The world does not need more of *that* running around. |
| 19:00.22 | |pez| | Lunessa: boyfriend will agree with the access being more important than the perkyness. |
| 19:00.30 | |pez| | as long as they're not soggy down to the knees ;P |
| 19:00.31 | Lunessa | I'm all for "what ever makes her happy" ... but my comment was meant to tell |pez| that the perkiness is artificial. |
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| 19:01.05 | |pez| | Also, the boobs on that picture, they scare me. |
| 19:01.20 | |pez| | smooshed. :\ |
| 19:02.37 | Lunessa | |pez|: I know a few girls/women who look like that. They're happy, I'm happy... it's all good. |
| 19:03.12 | |pez| | Suresure, I just would feel horribly uncomfertable in that corset ^ |
| 19:03.13 | |pez| | ^^ |
| 19:03.37 | zenzelezz | personal opinion; they're too big |
| 19:03.40 | zenzelezz | out of proportion |
| 19:04.01 | Lunessa | This is a friend of mine - http://www.djvibe.com/content/?p=582 - NSFW |
| 19:04.53 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty hair. |
| 19:05.09 | Lunessa | She's a really amazing person. |
| 19:05.43 | |pez| | I'd like to freak out a bit one day, and be photographed in the process. |
| 19:07.31 | Lunessa | She is a performance artist and DJ and a fetish model. Good heart, quick mind, and friendly. |
| 19:10.38 | art3mis | <rodrom> would be nice way to run a helpdesk btw |
| 19:10.38 | art3mis | <rodrom> <costumer call> Hi I have a problem with my car, do you know how to fix it? |
| 19:10.38 | art3mis | <rodrom> <helpdesk> Did you tryed google yet? look for your awsner there! |
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| 19:16.29 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 19:16.36 | kd3 | good thing this build isnt' going live |
| 19:16.44 | kd3 | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/Blood_Vixen/godmode.jpg |
| 19:21.41 | kadrahil | rofl |
| 19:24.55 | mikma | kd3: epix! |
| 19:25.21 | art3mis | i hate wow screen shots |
| 19:25.32 | art3mis | i keep trying to mouse over the gear for the tooltip |
| 19:25.55 | kd3 | lmao. I do the same thing watching fraps vids of wow... keep trying to move the camera to get a better view |
| 19:26.07 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 19:26.13 | Lunessa | Oh god yes. |
| 19:26.23 | Lopeppeppy | Drives me crazy! |
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| 19:43.30 | cncfanatics | bah, attributes have been so damn long ago |
| 19:43.55 | cncfanatics | :SetAttribute("*-attribute-*", value); will make it apply to all states right ? |
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| 19:59.34 | art3mis | http://www.anonib.com/weird/images/2/war_exoskeleton01.jpg |
| 19:59.49 | Lopeppeppy | How cute, can I keep it/ |
| 19:59.52 | Lopeppeppy | ? |
| 20:00.49 | [Liquidor] | that one is so old, it even goes on wheels :( |
| 20:01.10 | art3mis | http://www.lordsofacid.com/pictures/lordsofacid2001/6.php |
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| 20:12.51 | cncfanatics | does anyone know if wine has memory leaks ? |
| 20:12.58 | cncfanatics | WoW tends to crash sometimes with wine |
| 20:13.07 | cncfanatics | and after restarting it a few times its stupidly slow till I reboot my comp |
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| 20:17.48 | MentalPower | cncfanatics: ask bleeter when he's around, he runs WoW under Wine |
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| 20:18.21 | cncfanatics | MentalPower: ok, in the meantime I'll reboot so I can run wow again ^^ |
| 20:18.50 | Legorol | people in this channel actually *play* WoW? shocking. |
| 20:19.05 | mikma | what's that? |
| 20:19.26 | Legorol | it's that thing i'd been addicted to for the past 3 years |
| 20:19.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~whalecrit Legorol |
| 20:19.48 | purl | ACTION crits Legorol with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Legorol dies |
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| 20:23.19 | Atriace | Is it possible to apply the mask of one texture to another in Lua? Searches in wowwiki keep bringing up Mask items rather than code. >< |
| 20:23.40 | Legorol | don't think so |
| 20:24.42 | Legorol | someone more versed in textures will hopefully correct me if i'm wrong |
| 20:25.04 | Atriace | I feel like calling up blizzard on this one. |
| 20:25.14 | Legorol | lol |
| 20:25.25 | Legorol | to vent rage? |
| 20:25.32 | Atriace | lol, no no. Not at all. |
| 20:25.43 | Legorol | UI modding is wholly unsupported, so they can't help you sadly |
| 20:25.43 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/UITYPE_AlphaMode |
| 20:25.47 | Atriace | To talk to a programmer and get the info |
| 20:25.51 | Legorol | the people most qualified to help you are the people in this channel |
| 20:25.59 | foxlit | Anyone with a US account around? |
| 20:26.07 | Legorol | you'd only get to level 1 customer support on the phone, they don't pass you on to programmers |
| 20:26.18 | Atriace | lol, I put in those examples, Foxlit. :D |
| 20:26.18 | Cairenn | what do you need foxlit? |
| 20:26.27 | foxlit | Bug report post in UI & Macros |
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| 20:26.31 | Legorol | besides, most WoW programmers don't even know as much about the UI as the folks in this channel, to be honest |
| 20:26.36 | Cairenn | PM me with title & text |
| 20:26.53 | Legorol | that's a point, you can post on the UI & Macros forum to ask for help |
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| 20:27.10 | Legorol | and i didn't mean that in a jaded sense, it's just not part of their job description |
| 20:27.18 | Atriace | Yeah I know. |
| 20:28.09 | Legorol | the most direct contact you can have with an actual programmer or developer is if you get a reply to your post in your UI forum by slouken or ryslin or someone along those lines |
| 20:28.26 | Legorol | they don't tend to do support though, i recommend hanging in here :) |
| 20:28.39 | Legorol | folks here are very supportive, when not too busy whalenuking and whaleparrying each other |
| 20:29.21 | Legorol | however, i suspect most are either a) out drinking b) out on other business c) busy gaming d) busy geeking e) spending time with family |
| 20:29.27 | Legorol | saturday night can be slow |
| 20:29.45 | Legorol | speaking of which, what am i doing here? |
| 20:29.46 | Legorol | later all |
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| 20:34.06 | Lunessa | Atriace: what do you mean, "apply the mask of one texture to another"? |
| 20:34.12 | Atriace | Basicly... |
| 20:34.31 | Atriace | Texture A has no mask. Texture B has a mask. Apply Alpha of Texture B to Texture A |
| 20:35.03 | Lunessa | As far as I know, the answer is no. Each image in WoW needs to have it's own alpha mask. |
| 20:35.15 | foxlit | I agree with Lunessa |
| 20:35.23 | Atriace | I came across this: SetPortraitToTexture(Texture or "Texture", "texturePath") - Sets the texture to be displayed from a file applying circular opacity mask making it look round like portraits. |
| 20:35.26 | foxlit | It is very unlikely that you'll be able to separate an alpha channel from a texture |
| 20:36.00 | Lunessa | I suspect they are layering images. |
| 20:36.04 | Atriace | Makes me wonder if the portrait already has an alpha and that function simply turns it on, or if it's really doing what I want. |
| 20:36.12 | Lunessa | The "Mask" is an entire image in and of itself. |
| 20:36.32 | foxlit | Possibly draws portrait on top of mask? |
| 20:36.46 | Atriace | 0_o |
| 20:36.53 | Atriace | That's an..... interesting idea. |
| 20:37.51 | Lunessa | Atriace: If you try to render an image which does not have it's own alpha mask, you're going to get a box where the image shoulf be. |
| 20:40.13 | Atriace | Mmm... tangent topic. Anyone know of a PDF download for Pil? |
| 20:41.30 | Kaso | you mean pil 2nd edition in an ebook stylie? |
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| 20:42.03 | Atriace | Well, 1st or second, whichever is free. And not eBook, just a PDF> |
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| 20:43.00 | Kaso | well 1st edition is available free on the website, if you need it offline you could recursively wget it, but i dont know if anyone has converted it do PDF |
| 20:43.02 | Atriace | searching through http://www.lua.org/pil/ just isn't nearly as convenient as a PDF would be. |
| 20:43.32 | Lunessa | "lterac Valley, Arathi Basin, Warsong Gulch, Blade’s Edge Arena, Lordaeron Arena, and Nagrand Arena: Players who fall below the world in these environments will now die instead of being stuck." --- umm, repair bills for geometry bugs? WTF!? |
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| 20:43.59 | foxlit | no |
| 20:44.06 | foxlit | There's no durability damage in those zones |
| 20:44.17 | foxlit | or, rather, not from dying to the usual stuff |
| 20:44.36 | foxlit | It's more that you can then actually res |
| 20:44.40 | Lunessa | Well, let us hope this counts as "the usual stuff" |
| 20:44.56 | foxlit | That's not what I heard about arenas, though |
| 20:45.00 | Lopeppeppy | I guess they dont' want arena matches to last forever due to bad game. |
| 20:45.04 | foxlit | Stuff like NPC-sourced deaths in Alterac |
| 20:45.11 | foxlit | don't actually cost you -10% |
| 20:45.15 | Atriace | Would be cool if it teleported you above the map when you fell off instead. |
| 20:45.21 | Lunessa | A mailbox has been added to the inn in Darnassus. - haha... 2 years ago they moved it from the Inn to the Bank. |
| 20:45.38 | foxlit | I heard they were teleporting you to middle of arenas, actually |
| 20:45.46 | foxlit | not sure where, but that makes a whole lot more sense |
| 20:45.58 | foxlit | (feared off-map, die as a result? Balance!) |
| 20:46.06 | Atriace | Woohoo! PIL in PDF! http://orwell01.free.fr/Release/CPLua/Programming_in_Lua.zip |
| 20:47.49 | Atriace | Boo.... no references to mask or alpha in PIL. |
| 20:47.50 | Atriace | lol |
| 20:48.08 | foxlit | You were expecting some? |
| 20:48.15 | Atriace | Not really |
| 20:48.17 | Atriace | Just wishing. |
| 20:54.39 | Atriace | Is HTML allowed in blizzard forum posts? |
| 20:55.21 | foxlit | It will probably get escaped |
| 20:55.29 | foxlit | Check their variant of BBCode's help page |
| 20:56.02 | Atriace | Was looking for a post help page. Can't spot it, though. |
| 20:57.28 | kd3 | gah, why... why does the world server always have to crash in the middle of a bombing run? |
| 21:00.35 | Lopeppeppy | To get tot he other side... |
| 21:00.55 | Lunessa | Atriace: No, you can't post using HTML to format. |
| 21:01.27 | dylanm | They don't allow much. There are the buttons you see and that's it. |
| 21:01.51 | Atriace | BBCode then? |
| 21:02.13 | kd3 | all we get is [b], [i], [u], [ul] [li] and [quote] |
| 21:02.24 | kd3 | and [pre] |
| 21:02.26 | Atriace | Gee.... that's great. |
| 21:02.43 | zenzelezz | why do you need more? |
| 21:02.54 | Atriace | an <img> tag would be nice. |
| 21:02.57 | Lunessa | They use colors to represent staff, they don't want you running scripts, or posting images. |
| 21:03.35 | zenzelezz | knowing the WoW forum community, would you let them post images? |
| 21:03.51 | Atriace | Touch? |
| 21:04.23 | Cairenn | you forgot an "e" on the end |
| 21:05.09 | Lunessa | ... |
| 21:05.10 | Atriace | touch? |to?? sh ?| ? used as an acknowledgment during a discussion of a good or clever point made at one's expense by another person. |
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| 21:05.25 | Cairenn | Atriace: Touché |
| 21:05.31 | Cairenn | not touch |
| 21:05.35 | foxlit | Question: if you reload UI while running |
| 21:05.42 | foxlit | What do you do as observed by other players? |
| 21:05.51 | Atriace | You stop, I believe. |
| 21:14.23 | Corrodias | indeed; you are doing nothing |
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| 21:18.14 | foxlit | Hm, wonder how much work it'd be to add buffing on behalf of pets |
| 21:18.32 | Corrodias | what do you mean? something i haven't heard about yet? |
| 21:18.42 | foxlit | Unlikely |
| 21:19.03 | foxlit | Some pets can cast buffs - imps' fire shield spell is probably the only and the most useless example of that |
| 21:19.33 | Corrodias | indeed, and the wolf's group buff |
| 21:19.39 | Corrodias | temporary though it may be |
| 21:20.36 | Corrodias | and it's possible that the originator of the +1/2/3% damage buff is the pet, as well |
| 21:21.21 | foxlit | Not really concerned about that, I was thinking more of allowing stuff like that to be cast from my usual (player-only) buff routines :) |
| 21:21.57 | Corrodias | buff routines? |
| 21:23.31 | foxlit | /cast Pet Buff works, all I wanted to know :) |
| 21:23.55 | foxlit | I'm mainly working on a raidstatus/buffing addon |
| 21:24.58 | Corrodias | that's why i was wondering what you were talking about, hah |
| 21:25.23 | Corrodias | didn't occur to me you might not know about that. okay, time to go get my hair cut! |
| 21:25.41 | foxlit | Don't play a pet class ordinarily :) |
| 21:26.11 | kd3 | it's easy to test having a pet out, go do "Discovering Your Roots" |
| 21:26.17 | kd3 | on the PTR, that is |
| 21:26.17 | Corrodias | in fact, you can /cast any pet ability |
| 21:26.23 | foxlit | What's the wolf thing? :) |
| 21:26.28 | foxlit | kd3: I'm locked out of PTR |
| 21:26.50 | kd3 | ouch |
| 21:26.53 | Corrodias | /cast Devour Magic, /cast [target=pettarget] Seduction, /cast Growl |
| 21:27.15 | Corrodias | okay, brb, the place closes in 30 minutes |
| 21:27.53 | foxlit | Can test on live; have a low-level lock; just didn't have any desire to previously :) |
| 21:29.08 | Lunessa | Atriace: You can accomplish that effect by layering images. |
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| 21:37.07 | Lunessa | *headdesk* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4822675240&sid=1 |
| 21:39.29 | foxlit | I demand a World of Botcraft server! |
| 21:39.46 | foxlit | Real BvB and BvE encounters! |
| 21:40.17 | Lunessa | ... we haz irc bots for that. |
| 21:40.51 | foxlit | But can they cast PI on each other? |
| 21:42.50 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 21:42.57 | Saint-N | fear the botcraft servers! |
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| 21:43.10 | Lunessa | ph34r! |
| 21:43.32 | foxlit | It's not a terribly bad concept |
| 21:43.36 | foxlit | Lacking userbase, though |
| 21:44.29 | foxlit | Hm, wonder if something like Warcraft II can be ported to Lua and run inside WoW |
| 21:45.06 | Lunessa | there will be no DOTA while playing WoW. You just forget that idea right now mister! |
| 21:45.22 | Saint-N | hah |
| 21:45.29 | Saint-N | that would be pretty awesome |
| 21:45.40 | Saint-N | "everyone ready?" "hold on the orcs are invading!!!" |
| 21:45.51 | foxlit | tower matrix games! |
| 21:45.58 | Lunessa | "Why are we wiping on Kara Trash? We've beaten Illidan!" "Oh, sorry, playing DOTA" |
| 21:46.13 | foxlit | ... must... code... distraction...! |
| 21:46.17 | Saint-N | mah DoTA addon window is too big I guess |
| 21:47.19 | Lunessa | Render image "The Mask" as a higher level. |
| 21:47.24 | foxlit | Can't do WC3 graphics, though |
| 21:47.42 | foxlit | Think II was sprite-based |
| 21:48.15 | Falcon213 | ok, so I rewrote this function in my addon, and now the secure buttons don't work, yet the SetAttributes are the same: http://wowi.pastey.net/82800 |
| 21:48.17 | kd3 | huh, the QQers have shifted gears on the PTR forum... it's now "$*@) 2.4" theads. |
| 21:48.45 | Lunessa | Change is bad, m'kay? |
| 21:49.01 | foxlit | Loops in OnUpdate? |
| 21:49.19 | Falcon213 | yes? |
| 21:49.28 | foxlit | Performance -----> |
| 21:49.37 | foxlit | well, maybe not |
| 21:49.44 | foxlit | But the stuff there will never work in combat |
| 21:49.53 | Falcon213 | .. it does |
| 21:50.13 | foxlit | And your issue was? |
| 21:50.19 | Atriace | Lunessa: So, enclose TheMask on OVERLAY and TheGraphic on BACKGROUND? Also, when you say "Create an image which is only the mask.", do you mean in the Alpha channel or in the RGB? |
| 21:50.28 | Falcon213 | clicking the buttons does nothing |
| 21:50.52 | foxlit | So exactly how does it "work" in combat? |
| 21:51.27 | Tuller | anyone have a screenshot of the totem timer stuff in 2.4? |
| 21:51.29 | Falcon213 | it still updates the status bars fine at least |
| 21:51.53 | Saint-N | Atriace: doesn't much matter, as long as the rest of the image is transparent except what you want displayed |
| 21:51.54 | Falcon213 | I don't know about selecting the target, but that isn't even working ooc at the moment |
| 21:51.57 | Lunessa | Atriace: Yes, OVERLAY/BACKGROUND. Re: The Mask - just make an image which contains nothing but you mask. |
| 21:52.39 | Lunessa | Render that out as .tga and you can apply it and only the parts not masked will show from the underlying image. |
| 21:52.41 | Saint-N | Atriace: overlay may be wrong though, luney, you can get away with just a slightly higher strata, instead of completely on top |
| 21:52.42 | foxlit | Falcon213: The functionality you're trying to implement (assisting people dynamically by looking at how many people are targetting what) is impossible with the current combat lockdown system |
| 21:52.50 | Lunessa | Yeah, that too. |
| 21:53.06 | foxlit | You can update statusbars and text as much as you like based on anything |
| 21:53.14 | Falcon213 | foxlit: It's not supposed to select targets for you |
| 21:53.19 | Lunessa | I've had like, three hours of sleep in 2 days and bloodsugar is low, so I might not be as clear as I'd like. |
| 21:53.28 | Saint-N | 2 words |
| 21:53.31 | foxlit | But you cannot call SetAttribute on a protected frame while in combat |
| 21:53.32 | Saint-N | Drink Brawndo |
| 21:53.33 | Atriace | I'm still in disbelief, but I'll try it. Though, what would prevent it from masking other textures apart from your target texture? |
| 21:53.34 | Falcon213 | it's really nothing more than a list of raid targets |
| 21:53.35 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 21:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone in here knowledgeable in Kerberos? |
| 21:53.45 | Falcon213 | oh, ok |
| 21:53.53 | foxlit | Falcon213: It's a list of raid targets that dynamically changes to allow you to select a target |
| 21:54.11 | Lunessa | atraice, just layer the two one over the other in the same strata, |
| 21:54.13 | foxlit | Falcon213: If that worked, I could implement decursive. |
| 21:54.35 | Saint-N | Atriace: mostly.. you can transperant everything that's not the art you want, so when you "overlay" it it will be at the strata level you set, thus displaying it say on top of the background but not ontop of the unit frame |
| 21:54.37 | Falcon213 | but how is that any different than something like perl's party target frames? |
| 21:55.02 | foxlit | The party target is always the same unit, namely "That guy's target" |
| 21:55.08 | Lunessa | Exactly - Saint-N has it right. :) |
| 21:55.14 | Saint-N | get eepanels2 and make the tgas with the alpha channels and play with stratas you'll see what we're talking about |
| 21:55.16 | foxlit | What you're trying to do is switch "That guy's target" to "That other guy's target" dynamically, in combat |
| 21:55.24 | Falcon213 | ahh... I see |
| 21:55.25 | Saint-N | that way the concept is a tad clearer ;P |
| 21:55.56 | Saint-N | <3 eepanels |
| 21:56.05 | foxlit | If you wanted to, you could make 25 assist buttons, but you couldn't really change which player each one assisted :) |
| 21:56.19 | Falcon213 | yeah that's what I was just thinking |
| 21:56.44 | Falcon213 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.50 | Saint-N | foxlit: wouldnt it be the same as /asssit off /assist buddy? |
| 21:57.00 | Saint-N | and just attach em to the aprty or raid frames? |
| 21:57.56 | Saint-N | sorta like how benecast and extreme buttons works? |
| 21:58.01 | foxlit | Saint-N: more or less the same effect, yes |
| 21:58.14 | Saint-N | that would be quite handy actually |
| 21:58.24 | Saint-N | extreme button bar can do that btw |
| 21:58.29 | Saint-N | yopu can dump macros on it |
| 21:58.40 | foxlit | I don't really see the point, but okay :) |
| 21:58.43 | Saint-N | create one button that turns off assist then assist the button target |
| 21:58.47 | Saint-N | no I don't ;P |
| 21:58.55 | Saint-N | I was talking about art and caught part of the convo ;) |
| 21:59.02 | Saint-N | and now I'm off to deliver a computer |
| 22:00.03 | Falcon213 | well for now I guess I'll just scratch the secure buttons... maybe I'll fix that in the future |
| 22:00.29 | foxlit | If you're messing with counting targets |
| 22:00.52 | foxlit | I'm sure there's a market for an addon that detects when enemy players target you in a BG |
| 22:01.28 | foxlit | (combined with new* castinginfo functions, that makes - RUN! 6x PYRO incoming notifications rather possible) |
| 22:01.40 | foxlit | * not very |
| 22:01.41 | Falcon213 | heh |
| 22:02.32 | Falcon213 | too do that someone else would have to be targeting them though, correct? |
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| 22:02.52 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 22:03.11 | Saint-N | 6x pyro incoming == stand there and get ready to deadrun ;P |
| 22:03.28 | Falcon213 | or pop iceblock/bubble |
| 22:03.57 | foxlit | cast time is tolerably low, it's nice to know regardless :) |
| 22:04.25 | foxlit | I starfire random people in low-rating arenas |
| 22:04.44 | foxlit | No resilience, don't see it coming, bang, headshot |
| 22:05.02 | Saint-N | oh I was reading large flightless bird forums the other day |
| 22:05.09 | Saint-N | and they had the most awesome bug in the arena |
| 22:05.21 | Saint-N | appearantly everyone can attack everyone as a FFA |
| 22:05.30 | Saint-N | which means that an aoe happy mage == death |
| 22:05.35 | Saint-N | for everyone but him |
| 22:05.36 | Saint-N | heh |
| 22:05.39 | foxlit | Meh |
| 22:05.44 | foxlit | AoE happy mage = wru, dps? |
| 22:05.57 | foxlit | What does AE do, nowadays? |
| 22:06.00 | Saint-N | a mage on your arena team aoes your melee target |
| 22:06.06 | Saint-N | you take damage and die |
| 22:06.10 | Saint-N | target takes damage and dies |
| 22:06.15 | Saint-N | mage dances on your corpse |
| 22:06.24 | Falcon213 | sounds like a bug for me! |
| 22:06.30 | Saint-N | heh yeah its funny though |
| 22:06.35 | Saint-N | specially for locks and hellfire ;P |
| 22:06.39 | Saint-N | everyone dies! |
| 22:06.43 | foxlit | Still miss when FoN pulled every beat mob in the area! |
| 22:06.58 | Saint-N | hah |
| 22:07.05 | Saint-N | the beta LoS issue |
| 22:07.14 | Saint-N | if you could see it you could cast on it |
| 22:07.16 | Saint-N | or loot it |
| 22:07.20 | Saint-N | that was awesome |
| 22:07.34 | Saint-N | looting chests form 200yards away |
| 22:08.46 | Falcon213 | hrm.. so how does proximo let you target then? Those aren't static unitIDs |
| 22:09.09 | Saint-N | magic and gnomes |
| 22:09.39 | Corrodias | it sets up the frames before combat begins |
| 22:09.54 | Corrodias | if you enter combat before you mouseover/target somebody, that person cannot be targetted by clicking on them in its window |
| 22:10.09 | Corrodias | at least unless and until you exit combat again |
| 22:10.37 | Falcon213 | ahh I see |
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| 22:42.02 | batrick | wow iriel is lvl 70 :O |
| 22:42.25 | Kalroth | Already?! What a powerleveler! |
| 22:51.31 | Kaso | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQkdVymW8C8 |
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| 23:04.33 | Lunessa | g'night all. |
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| 23:13.39 | foxlit | Anything reliable fires when the demon spellbook changes? |
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| 23:13.54 | foxlit | I'm looking at an event trace, and it's all very circumstantial |
| 23:15.47 | foxlit | UNIT_PET, SPELL_UPDATE_Cooldown/Usable, PET_BAR_UPDATE, SPELLS_CHANGED |
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| 23:17.48 | foxlit | Ooh, cool |
| 23:17.52 | foxlit | I'm in a raid group... alone. |
| 23:18.23 | zenzelezz | now that's hard-core raiding |
| 23:19.18 | foxlit | Okay, SPELLS_CHANGED sucks, fires randomly |
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| 23:20.26 | foxlit | SPELL_UPDATE_* are fired way more often |
| 23:20.51 | foxlit | PET_BAR_UPDATE is probably okay; UNIT_PET may be too early :( |
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