| 00:01.47 | ScytheBlade1 | There are two new combat log events for the next test realm update: |
| 00:01.47 | ScytheBlade1 | SPELL_SUMMON |
| 00:01.47 | ScytheBlade1 | SPELL_CREATE |
| 00:01.55 | ScytheBlade1 | These are sent with the guid and name of the creature or object that is created by a spell (along with who cast it, naturally) |
| 00:02.58 | Cide | nice |
| 00:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That solves a whole ream of issues |
| 00:04.55 | nevcairiel | oh wow |
| 00:04.56 | nevcairiel | very nice |
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| 00:07.50 | wereHamster | lua> t={1,2,3,4}; i=table.remove(t,3); table.insert(t, i); pp(t); |
| 00:07.51 | lua_bot | wereHamster: { 1, 2, 4, 3 } (#1) |
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| 01:17.24 | Shirik|Ecole | batrick: ping? |
| 01:22.39 | Wobin | Scrubs == Win |
| 01:22.39 | Wobin | http://youtube.com/watch?v=JsvnElDAFGc |
| 01:25.55 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: pong |
| 01:26.07 | Shirik|Ecole | want to make me less stupid? |
| 01:26.17 | batrick | uh ok |
| 01:27.03 | batrick | did you get my message concerning filumlunaris |
| 01:27.20 | batrick | jeeze that's such a terrible name |
| 01:27.20 | batrick | lol |
| 01:27.26 | Shirik|Ecole | probably on my computer at him |
| 01:27.27 | Shirik|Ecole | home |
| 01:27.29 | Shirik|Ecole | will get it then |
| 01:27.34 | batrick | ok |
| 01:27.35 | Shirik|Ecole | first, this. I have an output from a 555 timer |
| 01:27.42 | Shirik|Ecole | well, let me give you the background first |
| 01:28.13 | Shirik|Ecole | I have a microcontroller watching the "vitals" of this complex circuit. It holds a signal high while everything's ok, and goes low when there's a problem, tripping a relay and cutting power immediately. |
| 01:28.21 | Shirik|Ecole | That all works perfectly |
| 01:28.48 | Shirik|Ecole | Problem is -- the microcontroller is off for 6 seconds after the power is turned on. During that time, a low voltage will be seen and the relay will trip before the microcontroller even gets to turn on |
| 01:29.30 | Shirik|Ecole | So I have a 555 timer allowing such a delay. When the output from it is high, this signal should be ignored. When it is low, it should be handled. |
| 01:30.26 | Shirik|Ecole | My thought was to put a transistor in series with the relay -- when the 555 timer is outputting a high voltage, it disables the E-C junction, meaning no current will flow through the relay, so it won't turn on |
| 01:30.30 | batrick | rather than using a low voltage to trip the relay |
| 01:30.32 | batrick | use a high |
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| 01:30.42 | Shirik|Ecole | Can't -- I have reasons for using low, mostly fail-safety |
| 01:30.45 | batrick | and then set up an xor gate with an inverter afterwords (For your low) |
| 01:31.08 | batrick | set the power to feed into one input for the xor gate |
| 01:31.14 | batrick | and the microcontroller for the other |
| 01:31.25 | Shirik|Ecole | inverter? |
| 01:31.27 | batrick | if microcontroller sends a high (with power on as the other hgih), the xor turns off |
| 01:31.36 | batrick | inverter might not be necessary nvm |
| 01:31.42 | Shirik|Ecole | wait you're confusing me |
| 01:31.43 | batrick | depends on what you want the final signal to be |
| 01:31.45 | Shirik|Ecole | what's with the xor gate? |
| 01:32.01 | Shirik|Ecole | the final signal isn't really a signal -- it's whether or not current is allowed to pass through |
| 01:32.03 | batrick | you have the power in one input |
| 01:32.18 | batrick | right |
| 01:32.19 | Shirik|Ecole | Why not just an inverter then, no xor :P |
| 01:32.37 | Shirik|Ecole | That was the way I was thinking about it, but I thought I should be able to do it with just a transistor |
| 01:32.44 | Shirik|Ecole | I could invert it and put it into an NPN transistor just fine |
| 01:32.45 | batrick | that could work too I guess |
| 01:32.59 | Shirik|Ecole | But I thought there should be a way to do it with just a PNP transistor |
| 01:33.03 | batrick | diff would be your microcontroller sends a high rather than a low |
| 01:35.01 | batrick | if you have to use a low to trip the relay from the microcontroller then you need to use a xor gate I think with an inverter |
| 01:37.44 | Shirik|Ecole | ok thanks |
| 01:37.58 | Shirik|Ecole | !google 2n3905 |
| 01:37.59 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: 2N3905 PNP General Purpose Amplifier <http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/2N/2N3905.pdf> |
| 01:38.06 | Shirik|Ecole | now it's a rush to find NPN transistors |
| 01:38.31 | Shirik|Ecole | !google 2n3904 |
| 01:38.32 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: 2N3904/MMBT3904/PZT3904 NPN General Purpose Amplifier <http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/2N/2N3904.pdf> |
| 01:39.23 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you're so weird. |
| 01:39.39 | Shirik|Ecole | :< |
| 01:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | This is news? |
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| 01:44.50 | batrick | bet that would hurt |
| 01:47.27 | Guillotine | whooo! new Pidgin version! |
| 01:47.33 | Guillotine | brb to update |
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| 01:51.49 | batrick | what's the big deal about a new pidgin version |
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| 01:53.03 | batrick | Guillotine: what's the big deal about a new pidgin version |
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| 01:57.35 | Guillotine | batrick: Hopefully it fixes a couple bugs I was having with IRC |
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| 02:02.51 | sacarasc | using pidgin for irc is like using mirc for web browsing |
| 02:05.02 | dylanm | Almost everyone who works at the vet's is an attractive woman. |
| 02:05.22 | Guillotine | sacarasc: well, I use Pidgin for other chat. And its easier to just use one IRC client :) |
| 02:05.44 | sacarasc | why not use a real irc client and bitlbee? ;p |
| 02:07.56 | Guillotine | I did use Xchat, but it crashes with Vista :( |
| 02:07.58 | Guillotine | as do a couple others |
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| 02:14.56 | |pez| | I wish I was able to sleep through a whole night... even if I go to sleep very earlylike. |
| 02:14.57 | batrick | Guillotine: irssi :) |
| 02:15.07 | batrick | screen + irssi even |
| 02:15.16 | Guillotine | eh, Pidgin works fine for me |
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| 02:27.41 | art3mis | http://www.explosm.net/comics/877/ |
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| 03:41.00 | cladhaire | http://patchdiff.pastey.net/83237 |
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| 04:20.20 | Shirik | you know what |
| 04:20.21 | Shirik | screw TTL |
| 04:20.26 | Shirik | I'm going to go take up philosophy |
| 04:20.56 | Legorol | morning! |
| 04:25.02 | Legorol | I have just found out the amasing news that cross-region login is now working! |
| 04:25.08 | Legorol | So who is on which realm and in what guild :) |
| 04:25.13 | Legorol | Is there a modders' guild on US? |
| 04:25.23 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.24 | Legorol | can someone toss me an inv? |
| 04:27.46 | kd3 | send kaydeethree a whisper |
| 04:28.09 | Legorol | logging in as legorol |
| 04:28.24 | Legorol | this is so exciting! woot |
| 04:30.04 | Legorol | that was awesomeness |
| 04:30.09 | Legorol | latency is less than 0.3s |
| 04:30.48 | kd3 | not bad for crossing the pond, then crossing the country |
| 04:31.06 | Legorol | it's the same latency we have on EU PTR realms, considering they are hosted in the same spot |
| 04:31.12 | kd3 | yup, LA |
| 04:31.30 | Legorol | i guess the tricky part for them to sort out was the cross-region authentication |
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| 04:35.19 | Legorol | thanks kd3 |
| 04:35.23 | Legorol | aaand i'm off to sleep |
| 04:35.24 | kd3 | np |
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| 04:44.06 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
| 04:49.43 | MentalPower | who's Grimm on the test realm? |
| 04:50.30 | kd3 | maul iirc. need a /ginvite? |
| 04:51.41 | MentalPower | just got one |
| 04:52.16 | kd3 | you've got invite access too if need be |
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| 04:54.18 | MentalPower | ~lart Maul |
| 04:54.18 | purl | drops a baby grand on Maul |
| 04:54.30 | Maul | ouch |
| 04:56.29 | Maul | thanks :) |
| 04:56.34 | batrick | Shirik: pong |
| 04:56.40 | Shirik | sec, in arena sorry |
| 04:56.45 | batrick | k |
| 04:56.50 | Shirik | also I got your message |
| 04:56.56 | Shirik | I'll take a looksie tonigth |
| 04:57.20 | batrick | it'snothing amazing, just a start |
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| 05:03.30 | MentalPower | alll hail Cairenn, queen of the interwebz! |
| 05:03.35 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 05:03.36 | MentalPower | (or at least WoWI) |
| 05:03.36 | Cairenn | hi MentalPower |
| 05:03.56 | MentalPower | sorry, I'm bored |
| 05:03.59 | Guillotine | me too |
| 05:04.00 | Cairenn | no worries |
| 05:04.10 | Guillotine | I could annoy Maul by filling up his screen with textures |
| 05:04.23 | Guillotine | MP: Have you seen that yet? |
| 05:04.29 | MentalPower | nop |
| 05:04.35 | Guillotine | get on the PTR guild quickly :P |
| 05:04.49 | MentalPower | 3mins |
| 05:05.24 | MentalPower | or now, sicne I'm running addon-less |
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| 05:07.18 | Esamynn | MentalPower: why are we only just now declaring Cairenn to be queen of the interwebz? |
| 05:07.35 | MentalPower | nah, I'm just re-iterating the fact |
| 05:07.39 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 05:09.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:09.19 | Adys | I wasnt watching, sorry! |
| 05:09.40 | Cairenn | you guys are just silly |
| 05:09.48 | Adys | s/silly/bored/ |
| 05:09.52 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:10.10 | Adys | Waking up 3 hours early and not finding sleep. :( |
| 05:10.16 | Cairenn | :( |
| 05:10.37 | Adys | (that was some quick moodswing!) |
| 05:10.50 | Cairenn | <== female |
| 05:10.59 | Cairenn | mood changes are my right |
| 05:11.06 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:11.13 | sacarasc | Cairenn: stop being sexist! |
| 05:11.17 | sacarasc | you have the same rights as men |
| 05:11.20 | sacarasc | no more and no less |
| 05:11.41 | Cairenn | did I say that men didn't have that right? no, I didn't, so who's being sexist here, hmmmmm? :p |
| 05:12.11 | sacarasc | you implied that it was due to you being female |
| 05:12.27 | art3mis | its because shes got bobbies |
| 05:12.31 | art3mis | boobies |
| 05:12.38 | art3mis | boobies trump ANYthing |
| 05:12.38 | Adys | Only girls imply stuff! |
| 05:12.40 | Adys | Oh wait |
| 05:12.48 | Cairenn | that still doesn't mean that I was denying the right to males - you're just making assumptions |
| 05:13.28 | Adys | whee |
| 05:13.33 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:13.59 | MentalPower | ... |
| 05:14.08 | batrick | ~lart3mis |
| 05:14.09 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 05:14.13 | Cairenn | don't you go ...'ing me, MentalPower! |
| 05:14.25 | MentalPower | this is a sad excuse for an argument... |
| 05:14.26 | MentalPower | :P |
| 05:14.32 | Cairenn | no it isn't |
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| 05:14.54 | MentalPower | ~poke Cairenn |
| 05:14.54 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn, pokes Cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 05:14.59 | MentalPower | ~staple ckknight |
| 05:14.59 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples ckknight quite well, and hands ckknight to mentalpower |
| 05:15.07 | Cairenn | ~whalestab MentalPower |
| 05:15.08 | purl | ACTION stabs MentalPower with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 05:15.09 | Adys | ~whalenuke MentalPower |
| 05:15.09 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around MentalPower with his mind powers. |
| 05:15.16 | MentalPower | ~whaleshield |
| 05:15.16 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield mentalpower from the blast. |
| 05:15.17 | Adys | beaten to it :( |
| 05:15.37 | batrick | nou |
| 05:17.45 | art3mis | ya know whats fun to do when yer bored? |
| 05:18.06 | art3mis | Adys: forms a club like the wonder twins pwoers? |
| 05:18.14 | Adys | yeeehaa |
| 05:18.18 | Shirik | form of... a clip |
| 05:18.20 | Shirik | club |
| 05:18.28 | Shirik | shape of |
| 05:19.02 | art3mis | jaana's tampon |
| 05:19.09 | Shirik | >< |
| 05:19.14 | Shirik | Who's Jaana? |
| 05:19.55 | art3mis | one of the wonder twins |
| 05:20.53 | Guillotine | Who wants to help me try to bug the PTR? |
| 05:21.01 | Guillotine | so far I have the MOTD and guild notes bugged |
| 05:21.15 | Cairenn | probably easier than trying to ptr the bug |
| 05:22.28 | Shirik | ~lart Cairenn |
| 05:22.28 | purl | blasts Cairenn with a huge firehose then strangles Cairenn with it |
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| 05:26.24 | Guillotine | WTB SSBB :( |
| 05:26.33 | Guillotine | soooon! |
| 05:27.17 | Guillotine | huh? |
| 05:28.04 | Cairenn | sorry, thought you were making an EQ reference |
| 05:28.11 | Adys | "it" standed for the record :( |
| 05:28.25 | Guillotine | Cairenn: No, was talking about the new super smash brothers coming out in about a week :) |
| 05:28.25 | Cairenn | Adys: hokay! |
| 05:28.32 | Adys | Im not sexist! |
| 05:28.45 | Cairenn | but are you sexy? |
| 05:29.08 | Adys | I'm on the computer at 6am, what do you assume? :P |
| 05:29.39 | Adys | Im sexier than Bibi but thats not much |
| 05:30.39 | Guillotine | so today I ended up teaching my CS class for ~45 mins. Apparently one of the questions I answered was supposed to be rhetorical because the professor didn't know how to do it |
| 05:31.05 | Guillotine | CS prof who can't install a compiler = lose |
| 05:31.13 | Cairenn | eeep |
| 05:31.15 | kd3 | wtf? |
| 05:31.19 | Adys | haha |
| 05:31.44 | Guillotine | I had to answer the TEACHER'S questions like 'what did you just do? what is that?' '...I opened up command prompt' |
| 05:31.56 | art3mis | whats that prof addon that lets you queue certain things and then makes em all for ya? |
| 05:32.18 | Adys | craftbot |
| 05:32.22 | Adys | or something like that |
| 05:33.06 | kd3 | ATSW too |
| 05:34.06 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4105-TTCraftAddict.html ? |
| 05:34.59 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5812-AdvancedTradeSkillWindow.html |
| 05:36.48 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4134-SomeAssemblyRequired.html |
| 05:37.15 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4940-ReverseEngineering.html |
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| 05:38.40 | MentalPower | so, apparently I suck at poker |
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| 05:41.10 | Cairenn | art3mis: did you see any of those links? |
| 05:42.22 | Guillotine | MP: Vista comes with texas hold'em? o.O |
| 05:42.28 | MentalPower | Ultimate does |
| 05:42.39 | MentalPower | its in the Ultimate Extras |
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| 05:45.06 | Cairenn | I'd like to, but afraid a trip to France just isn't in my budget |
| 05:45.57 | Adys | Frenchies didnt whine when they went to blizzcon at the other side of the world! |
| 05:46.50 | Guillotine | Adys: world war one 08? |
| 05:46.56 | Guillotine | Adys: yes they did :P |
| 05:47.02 | Guillotine | people always whine |
| 05:47.12 | Adys | Guillotine: Only the ones who didnt go, whined :P |
| 05:47.14 | MentalPower | no budget to go to france |
| 05:47.25 | MentalPower | no budget to go anywhere past 100mi ATM |
| 05:47.28 | Adys | http://us.blizzard.com/wwi08/ |
| 05:47.41 | Cairenn | Adys: I didn't whine, I just said I can't afford it |
| 05:47.57 | art3mis | Cairenn: just go up to montreal during the fr. blizzcon |
| 05:48.01 | art3mis | and pretend |
| 05:48.06 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:48.15 | art3mis | you'll get the pretention down ;P |
| 05:48.21 | Adys | haha |
| 05:48.45 | Guillotine | ooo, I should go play counterstrike on roommate's computer |
| 05:48.57 | art3mis | or better yet |
| 05:49.21 | art3mis | go change all the settings and make his startuppage meatspin and add an activepage background to something stupid ;P |
| 05:50.16 | Guillotine | no ty |
| 05:50.32 | Guillotine | Somehow, stuff like that just isn't fun when they have no password to get past |
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| 05:54.26 | MentalPower | or when you already know the password |
| 05:54.32 | MentalPower | ie, they gave it to you |
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| 05:57.17 | fromatz | my variables are reseting each time my function in my addon is called.. and they are outside the function |
| 05:58.10 | Guillotine | you sure they're declared outside the function? |
| 05:58.17 | Guillotine | pastey please :) |
| 05:58.50 | fromatz | k |
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| 05:59.21 | fromatz | http://wowi.pastey.net/83241 |
| 06:00.05 | Kaso | wow that is not pretty code >.< |
| 06:00.51 | fromatz | yeah im going to create seperate function for a lot of it once i get it working |
| 06:02.06 | fromatz | basically, it just runs through max bg queues searching for an active game |
| 06:02.22 | Kaso | that cant be the whole of the code, BGPlayer isnt used in the code and BGInfo isnt defined as an array |
| 06:02.56 | fromatz | damn didnt even catch that should be bgplayerinfo |
| 06:03.13 | fromatz | i have bginfo, bgplayerinfo = {} |
| 06:03.46 | Kaso | im not sure if you know but |
| 06:03.46 | Kaso | ptab, BGInfo, BGPlayer = {}; does not mean ptab={} BGPLayer={} BGInfo={} |
| 06:03.59 | Kaso | it means ptab, BGInfo, BGPlayer = {},nil,nil |
| 06:04.16 | Guillotine | whats the point of doing tsize = tsize or 0? Thats going to be loaded before SV, so tsize will always be 0 |
| 06:05.03 | fromatz | when im done with a bg i want it to input the game info at index tsize, and the player info in another table at size tsize |
| 06:05.26 | fromatz | then increment tsize |
| 06:05.37 | fromatz | so that i'm inserting in the next position |
| 06:05.51 | fromatz | but it resets tsize's value to 0 after the function runs |
| 06:06.44 | Guillotine | ah, so its just like that outside of the function due to a copy paste? |
| 06:07.45 | fromatz | i put it outside because i didnt want it to reset tsize to 0 everytime it called the function |
| 06:08.05 | fromatz | and i had to set tsize=0 somewhere, so i did it outside the function, figuring it wouldnt reset it |
| 06:08.55 | Guillotine | Anybody know of any good free games? I am so bored :( |
| 06:10.44 | Kaso | http://intihuatani.usc.edu/cloud/flowing/ |
| 06:10.47 | Kaso | web games? |
| 06:10.50 | Kaso | Or real games |
| 06:11.06 | Guillotine | preferably real games, but either really |
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| 06:15.11 | Guillotine | Watching "Deal or No Deal" is always so painful. These people know NOTHING about probability |
| 06:15.32 | Guillotine | 'well, theres only a 1/10 chance that I'll win one million dollars, so I should keep going instead of accepting 300k! |
| 06:15.59 | Shirik | what else is left? |
| 06:16.01 | fromatz | do you like pvp and ganking? |
| 06:16.12 | Shirik | Thing is, depending on what is available, it may be worth the risk |
| 06:16.23 | Shirik | hell, if only 100k and above is left, why would you take it? 100k sounds good to me |
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| 06:16.32 | Shirik | if you have nothing to lose, go ahead and gamble |
| 06:16.40 | Shirik | the banker will always give you slightly worse odds :) |
| 06:16.45 | Guillotine | that didn't literally happen, I was just saying these people are idiots |
| 06:16.50 | Guillotine | 'well, I could always win more' |
| 06:16.57 | Guillotine | yes, but chances are you will win a hell of a lot less |
| 06:17.05 | Shirik | If I played the game, I would gamble if I had good numbers left |
| 06:17.11 | Shirik | but hell if he offered me 50k I'd probably take it lol |
| 06:17.17 | Shirik | that sounds good |
| 06:24.48 | Kaso | the thing that bothers me about deal or no deal is how seriously they all take it, as if they pretend they have methodologys for picking boxes and stuff |
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| 06:24.57 | Kaso | its just random guessing! |
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| 06:30.23 | Shirik | Kaso: I liked this one lady |
| 06:30.31 | Shirik | she brought in a picture of each member of her family |
| 06:30.35 | Shirik | and had numbers assigned to each of them |
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| 06:30.42 | Shirik | then drew them out of a hat |
| 06:31.19 | Shirik | she did pretty well actually |
| 06:33.15 | Kaso | drawing out of the hat is ok with me, accepts that its random, i just hate them people who sit there for minutes thinking about what to pick |
| 06:33.37 | Kaso | like if they think hard enough they can ESP which box has 1mil in it |
| 06:35.29 | Shirik | actually you want to use ESP to figure out which one has $0.01 |
| 06:37.40 | Kaso | true |
| 06:38.19 | batrick | so shirik |
| 06:38.26 | Guillotine | technically it would be better to know which has the 1 mil and chose that to start with |
| 06:38.30 | batrick | how do you want to go about detecting when things are finally gc'd |
| 06:38.33 | batrick | particularly strings |
| 06:39.13 | batrick | gc'able, not gc'd |
| 06:39.44 | Shirik | oof |
| 06:39.46 | Shirik | I forgot about that |
| 06:39.54 | Shirik | in last arena game now |
| 06:39.56 | Shirik | letm e look after |
| 06:40.00 | batrick | ok |
| 06:41.35 | batrick | is there an api function for table length? |
| 06:41.36 | batrick | C api* |
| 06:42.13 | Shirik | affirmative |
| 06:42.16 | Shirik | I need to look it up, sec |
| 06:42.26 | Shirik | well, there is assuming it's continuous numerical indices |
| 06:42.29 | batrick | i'm at a terminal so can't check the manual |
| 06:43.21 | batrick | Shirik: I'm thinking it may be best to just copy the string over |
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| 06:43.35 | batrick | even though they end up with two copies, handling gc for strings is a nightmare i think |
| 06:44.14 | batrick | actually, not it isn't nvm |
| 06:44.23 | batrick | no it* |
| 06:46.06 | Shirik | strings I think should be GCed |
| 06:46.13 | Shirik | I mean copied |
| 06:46.20 | batrick | i just thought of a nasty problem |
| 06:46.35 | batrick | because both will bedoing gc independently, one can fuck up the other while marking objects |
| 06:46.56 | Shirik | they can't both point at the same thing imo |
| 06:47.44 | batrick | well that limits what we can do then |
| 06:47.45 | batrick | a lot |
| 06:47.50 | Shirik | yeah :/ |
| 06:47.52 | Shirik | guess that's not an option |
| 06:47.59 | Shirik | do we have to manipulate the GC manually? |
| 06:48.00 | Guillotine | WTB pointers in Lua :( |
| 06:48.03 | Shirik | that's going to be really tricky |
| 06:48.06 | Shirik | Guillotine: You have them :) |
| 06:48.08 | Shirik | light userdata |
| 06:48.14 | Guillotine | eh |
| 06:48.25 | Guillotine | harder to use than just *varname |
| 06:49.31 | batrick | well that will mean the only things we can share between threads will be light userdata, numbers, and strings |
| 06:49.35 | Shirik | ok batrick all done |
| 06:49.41 | Shirik | yeah I just realized that batrick |
| 06:49.43 | Shirik | that would be bad |
| 06:49.54 | Shirik | we also can't copy strings |
| 06:49.56 | batrick | it would lua task 2.0 :( |
| 06:50.17 | batrick | we can copy strings? |
| 06:50.23 | Shirik | no |
| 06:50.27 | batrick | yes. |
| 06:50.29 | batrick | ! |
| 06:50.29 | Shirik | aside from the obvious performance implications |
| 06:50.38 | Shirik | to a Lua user, they see strings as mutable |
| 06:50.40 | Shirik | even though they aren't |
| 06:50.49 | batrick | i'm not following |
| 06:50.55 | Shirik | so if it changes in one state, it should change in the second |
| 06:51.02 | Shirik | copying the string wouldn't follow that |
| 06:51.19 | Guillotine | so I was bored in CS class today and had some fun with Wireshark. That thing is great on an unsecured network |
| 06:51.26 | Shirik | ok you know what batrick |
| 06:51.28 | Shirik | how about this |
| 06:51.34 | Shirik | let me read your code first |
| 06:51.39 | Shirik | then I can go ahead and have a conversation with you |
| 06:51.39 | batrick | lol |
| 06:51.43 | batrick | ok |
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| 06:57.53 | Shirik | ~lart batrick |
| 06:57.53 | purl | pries batrick's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to batrick |
| 06:58.06 | Shirik | you put kernel.c in branches |
| 06:59.05 | Shirik | batrick: Do you want me to write OS-independent locking primitives? |
| 07:01.45 | Shirik | does anyone else find this ironic? |
| 07:01.57 | Shirik | (01:57:11) (@Cairenn) definitely |
| 07:01.57 | Shirik | (01:57:25) (@Cairenn) go sleep :) |
| 07:02.10 | Shirik | maybe hypocritical |
| 07:02.13 | Shirik | something along those lines |
| 07:02.21 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 07:02.44 | Shirik | hey Guillotine, you use linux? |
| 07:02.52 | Guillotine | err, sort of? |
| 07:02.58 | Guillotine | I have a VM of Ubuntu that I use |
| 07:03.01 | Shirik | if I'm on the same computer someone else is on |
| 07:03.05 | Shirik | and we're both in a terminal |
| 07:03.11 | Shirik | is there some way I can send them a message? |
| 07:03.33 | batrick | wouldn't matter if i'm afk :P |
| 07:03.36 | Shirik | I know there's something like this, since when I shutdown my computer it says to everyone on it "broadcast from root: the system is going down" blah blah |
| 07:03.40 | Shirik | yeah but I was going to scare you |
| 07:03.43 | Guillotine | Same machine as in literally, or are they sepereated by a VM? |
| 07:03.52 | Shirik | literally |
| 07:04.01 | Shirik | just two people sshed in |
| 07:04.15 | batrick | Shirik: let's worry about getting some primitive stuff going with pthreads then we'll worry about the os independent stuff |
| 07:04.17 | Guillotine | well, you can 'send a message' with rm -rf * |
| 07:04.25 | Shirik | rofl |
| 07:04.30 | Shirik | I don't have root access |
| 07:04.33 | Shirik | yet |
| 07:04.36 | Guillotine | aww |
| 07:04.52 | Guillotine | I'm actually not sure how you'd do that :/ |
| 07:05.13 | batrick | Shirik: I think you literally write to their terminal in /dev |
| 07:05.26 | batrick | hmm letme try it =) |
| 07:05.28 | Guillotine | I used to send messages to people by starting a timed shutdown sequence with a message and then cancelling the shutdown before it occured |
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| 07:05.51 | batrick | woot itworks |
| 07:06.05 | Shirik | ahahaha |
| 07:06.06 | Shirik | got it |
| 07:06.10 | batrick | omfg |
| 07:06.10 | Shirik | Guillotine: it's wall |
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| 07:06.16 | batrick | you destroyed irssi |
| 07:06.18 | batrick | i hat eyou |
| 07:06.21 | Shirik | oops |
| 07:06.36 | Guillotine | Shirik: ah, yup :) |
| 07:06.37 | batrick | actually |
| 07:06.39 | batrick | I fixed it |
| 07:06.41 | Shirik | irssi deserves to die anyway |
| 07:06.52 | batrick | what did you do anyway |
| 07:07.03 | Shirik | wall |
| 07:07.05 | Shirik | message ctrl+d |
| 07:07.06 | batrick | I was using echo "blah" > /dev/pts/3 |
| 07:07.24 | Shirik | I'm definitely /dev/pts/2 |
| 07:07.50 | batrick | wow |
| 07:07.56 | batrick | that's so fucked up |
| 07:07.58 | Shirik | way to not put a message |
| 07:08.04 | batrick | how are regular users allowed to do that |
| 07:08.35 | Shirik | shirik@waterdeep:~/filumlunaris/branches$ ls -l /usr/bin/wall |
| 07:08.35 | Shirik | -rwxr-sr-x 1 root tty 9960 2007-10-02 22:48 /usr/bin/wall |
| 07:08.41 | Shirik | that's how |
| 07:08.49 | Shirik | it even runs as the tty user |
| 07:09.03 | batrick | seems dumb 2 me |
| 07:09.13 | batrick | dude |
| 07:09.26 | batrick | I shouldfind out if that's available on my school mainframe |
| 07:09.34 | Shirik | It was available on my school's |
| 07:09.40 | Shirik | people got in serious trouble because it got out of control |
| 07:09.49 | batrick | i'd probably get slapped with something bad if I did that |
| 07:09.54 | Shirik | it went to windows, etc. |
| 07:09.58 | Shirik | made little popups |
| 07:09.58 | batrick | lmfao |
| 07:11.26 | Shirik | so what didyou figure out batrick? |
| 07:12.25 | batrick | figurewhat out |
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| 07:12.33 | Shirik | (02:05:35) (batrick) woot itworks |
| 07:13.10 | batrick | I meant that I got the broadcast via echo to work |
| 07:13.13 | Shirik | batrick I'm going to make these OS-indepdendent so I can actually run it on my computer >< |
| 07:13.19 | Shirik | it'll take me no time |
| 07:13.27 | Shirik | also why is that thing in branches |
| 07:13.33 | batrick | in that case we should make some small modifications |
| 07:13.38 | batrick | I don'tknow |
| 07:13.44 | Shirik | can I movei t? |
| 07:13.48 | batrick | because I'm an idiot that doesn't know whereto put shit in svn properly? |
| 07:13.52 | batrick | sure |
| 07:13.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:13.58 | batrick | what goes in branches |
| 07:14.06 | Shirik | uh |
| 07:14.13 | batrick | don't say branches... |
| 07:14.20 | Shirik | first you would have to do an "svn branch" or "svn copy" |
| 07:14.24 | Shirik | and make a branch |
| 07:14.28 | Shirik | a branch basically it's for.... |
| 07:14.46 | Shirik | If you're about to do a huge-ass change and don't want the rest of everything to get screwed up while you fix your bugs, etc. |
| 07:14.53 | batrick | ah |
| 07:14.55 | Shirik | Or for some reason you don't want that code to be impacted by chagnes on the trunk |
| 07:15.08 | batrick | I see |
| 07:15.10 | Shirik | like the other day when I was working on version 0.3 of the updater, and a bug report came in on 0.2.9 |
| 07:15.31 | Shirik | I pulled 0.3 to a branch, switched back to the trunk, fixed the bug on 0.2.9, and didn't have to worry about any of the 0.3 code being in there when I released it |
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| 07:15.52 | Shirik | the "main working copy" should be in the trunk |
| 07:16.04 | batrick | k |
| 07:16.07 | Shirik | so do this for me |
| 07:16.13 | Shirik | go to where your repository's root is in your folder |
| 07:16.15 | Shirik | and do "svn info" |
| 07:16.24 | Shirik | what does it say the repository root address is? |
| 07:17.24 | batrick | svn://localhost/filumlunaris |
| 07:17.29 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:17.30 | batrick | that's what i'vebeen using |
| 07:17.37 | Shirik | type "svn switch svn://localhost/filumlunaris/trunk" |
| 07:18.11 | batrick | uh |
| 07:18.20 | batrick | one sec |
| 07:18.46 | batrick | what do you do if you want to cancel your changes? |
| 07:18.55 | batrick | so undo checkout basically |
| 07:18.58 | Shirik | svn revert |
| 07:19.02 | Shirik | undo checkout? |
| 07:19.03 | Shirik | why? |
| 07:19.17 | Shirik | what changes did you make? |
| 07:19.35 | batrick | nothing |
| 07:19.46 | batrick | but I don'tknow what happens if I just want to startover |
| 07:19.46 | Shirik | ok then you shouldn't have anything to revert |
| 07:20.06 | Shirik | If you really do want to start over |
| 07:20.09 | Shirik | you just have to delete the .svn folder |
| 07:20.12 | Shirik | but you don't have to do that right now :) |
| 07:20.17 | batrick | ugh |
| 07:20.21 | Shirik | I'm going to fix the file |
| 07:20.24 | Shirik | don't worry |
| 07:20.48 | Shirik | just do the switch first so I know when I do my commit I'm not going to get conflicts |
| 07:21.59 | batrick | No just do it |
| 07:22.43 | Shirik | done |
| 07:22.44 | batrick | apparently jsut deleting the folder is fine I think |
| 07:22.52 | batrick | and then doing checkout again |
| 07:22.55 | Shirik | which folder did you delete? |
| 07:22.56 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:22.56 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:23.22 | batrick | you know what was rediculous? |
| 07:23.31 | batrick | the passwd file for the svn was fucking readable by everyone |
| 07:23.37 | Shirik | yup |
| 07:23.40 | Shirik | there's a long FAQ about that |
| 07:23.41 | batrick | if you set the permissions on that... ~lart |
| 07:23.49 | batrick | wtf |
| 07:23.51 | Shirik | oh you mean permissions |
| 07:24.00 | Shirik | I wouldn't have done that intentionally |
| 07:24.19 | batrick | anyway |
| 07:25.14 | Shirik | Windows Explorer has stopped working! |
| 07:25.15 | batrick | I think the best solution is to not have a thread for the kernel, just letthe caller do allthe work |
| 07:25.39 | batrick | we would need to do that anyway to ensure the integrity of the stack |
| 07:25.52 | Shirik | I agree with this statement |
| 07:26.04 | Shirik | You don't want a Kernel state? |
| 07:26.10 | batrick | there is one? |
| 07:26.18 | Shirik | there can be |
| 07:26.39 | batrick | I'm a little annoyed with how this is shaping up tbh |
| 07:26.51 | batrick | I think we're going to have to give up on sharing tables |
| 07:26.58 | Shirik | hell no |
| 07:26.59 | batrick | or functions |
| 07:27.38 | Shirik | share tables |
| 07:27.38 | Shirik | there has to be a way |
| 07:27.43 | batrick | maybe in 5.2 when Lua doesn't mark values if the keys are weak |
| 07:28.05 | batrick | The main problem is preventing Lua from marking the table |
| 07:28.20 | batrick | we need the state that made the table to be responsiblefor it |
| 07:29.11 | Shirik | why can't we just roll our own kind of GC |
| 07:29.13 | Shirik | I have an idea |
| 07:29.17 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:29.25 | Shirik | so is the problem with tables the GC aspect of it? |
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| 07:29.39 | batrick | thatis one problem, but it is for all objects |
| 07:29.47 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:29.48 | batrick | except numbers and light userdata |
| 07:29.58 | Shirik | so when another thread tries to get access to that var, we pull it into the owning thread's registry |
| 07:30.45 | Shirik | After that, all we need to see is whether or not the table exists in the other states |
| 07:30.49 | Shirik | if it does not, pull it out of the registry |
| 07:31.03 | Shirik | this way the owning state will not GC it until all states don't have references to it |
| 07:31.19 | batrick | yes, but I think there may be other problems |
| 07:31.30 | batrick | I'm just trying to figure out what |
| 07:32.16 | batrick | How are we going to know when some state has no references to the table (as an example) |
| 07:32.32 | Shirik | working on that one |
| 07:32.36 | Shirik | trying to think of something with __gc |
| 07:33.41 | Shirik | We can put a weak reference into a registry table on the non-owning state |
| 07:33.53 | Shirik | Then when it ceases to exist, we know it no longer owns that |
| 07:33.59 | Shirik | we can assign each table a unique ID to assist with this |
| 07:34.04 | Shirik | (each shared table) |
| 07:34.09 | Shirik | let me draw this out |
| 07:35.08 | Shirik | Oh! |
| 07:35.08 | Shirik | yeah! |
| 07:36.22 | batrick | don't think it will work |
| 07:38.29 | batrick | look at it like this, the non-owning state is only aware of the table in a very odd sense. It has a pointer to the value, and it marks it when it's going through the objects, but it can't know that it doesn't have any references left |
| 07:38.48 | batrick | it's almostlike a lightuserdata |
| 07:38.55 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/83242 |
| 07:39.01 | batrick | I can't look at links |
| 07:39.06 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:39.15 | Shirik | wget grep |
| 07:39.26 | Shirik | I'm fairly confident that iwll work |
| 07:39.32 | batrick | just make file I'll look at it |
| 07:39.37 | Shirik | the non-owning state doesn't have to know anything except the address |
| 07:39.58 | Shirik | it /does/ however have to be able to manipulate another state (the kernel will take care of that) |
| 07:40.17 | MentalPower|ZzZz | gnight all |
| 07:40.27 | batrick | We could use a wrapper table for values and require that all acessesto the value sbe done throuh this table |
| 07:40.28 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|ZzZz |
| 07:40.36 | batrick | when they're done using the table we'll no when it's gone |
| 07:40.39 | batrick | know* |
| 07:40.56 | Shirik | The above link maintains track of when a given state is using a table |
| 07:41.07 | Shirik | when it is no longer using that table, it informs the owning state that it is no longer in use |
| 07:41.25 | Shirik | that owning state keeps track. When the count of other states using it hits zero, it removes it from the shared list |
| 07:41.29 | Shirik | making it eligable for GC |
| 07:42.53 | batrick | I can'tread that file realisitically via wget |
| 07:42.59 | batrick | make a file and I'll look at it |
| 07:43.27 | Shirik | there you go |
| 07:43.53 | batrick | you realize that that is also equally impossible to read |
| 07:43.59 | Shirik | rofl |
| 07:44.16 | batrick | put a file in tmp and change permissions |
| 07:45.00 | Shirik | see /home/shirik/theory.lua |
| 07:45.32 | Shirik | in "shared" those keys are actually references to the tables |
| 07:45.36 | Shirik | I didn't write that quite correctly |
| 07:45.45 | Shirik | same for "owned" |
| 07:46.05 | Shirik | the number is how many other states are currently using it |
| 07:46.56 | batrick | ok here's the problem |
| 07:47.20 | batrick | all those weak references end up being strong because the owner state will never collect those tables |
| 07:47.42 | Shirik | Doesn't the GC run across each state individually? |
| 07:47.43 | batrick | Which is what brought me to think of using a wraper table and all access to the values mustbe done through it |
| 07:48.45 | batrick | It will, but the GC for the non-owner, when going through all GC'able objects will never see the table |
| 07:48.54 | batrick | and thus will never remove the weak referencein the registry |
| 07:49.17 | Shirik | If we make a wrapper table, it needs to be essentially transparent |
| 07:49.19 | Shirik | imo |
| 07:49.25 | batrick | this is because we hacked the move ourselves, the table isn't in the linked list of gc'able objects |
| 07:49.34 | batrick | transparent? |
| 07:49.53 | Shirik | you shouldn't have to do some kind of special call or something to get a field |
| 07:49.55 | Shirik | just table.field |
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| 07:50.51 | batrick | I think I follow you |
| 07:51.46 | batrick | A wrapper table is distasteful though |
| 07:53.05 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:53.33 | Shirik | maybe we just have to do the reference counting ourself? |
| 07:53.38 | Shirik | like our own GC? |
| 07:53.48 | batrick | no way :P |
| 07:54.08 | batrick | that's asking for segfaults and long debugging sessions :P |
| 08:00.59 | Guillotine | night all! |
| 08:01.00 | Shirik | did you break svn batrick >< |
| 08:01.06 | Guillotine | woohoo! first message of the day! |
| 08:01.07 | batrick | don't think so |
| 08:01.12 | Shirik | why can't I access it |
| 08:01.21 | batrick | beats me |
| 08:01.58 | Shirik | If I had root access I'd be able to tell |
| 08:02.00 | Shirik | >< |
| 08:02.11 | Guillotine | if you had root access you could fix everything with one simple command |
| 08:02.15 | Guillotine | no errors ever again! |
| 08:02.37 | batrick | until you reboot |
| 08:02.52 | Shirik | where IS the svn repo anyway? |
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| 08:03.01 | Guillotine | What site was it again that tried to host all our addons without permission and refused to take them down? Then someone found how to inject code from the forums |
| 08:03.03 | Guillotine | good times |
| 08:03.11 | batrick | svn works for me |
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| 08:03.24 | Shirik | yeah. locally. |
| 08:03.28 | Shirik | not remotely |
| 08:03.34 | Guillotine | anyway, sleep well all (or in the case of Shirik who probably will never go to sleep, have fun screwing with linux) |
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| 08:06.57 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.08 | batrick | anyway |
| 08:07.16 | batrick | I'm going to think about this problem for a while |
| 08:07.27 | batrick | currently xmove is a bad idea, at least as it is now |
| 08:07.34 | batrick | because I haven't saved shit to the registry yet |
| 08:07.42 | batrick | bbl |
| 08:08.12 | Shirik | could have at least give me access to the svn conf direcory first >.> |
| 08:08.15 | Shirik | anyway bai |
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| 08:17.55 | Shirik | christ |
| 08:17.59 | Shirik | someone named "Xdc" here |
| 08:18.12 | Shirik | I've typed every combination of x, k, c, and d EXCEPT the correct one |
| 08:18.36 | Shirik | "Xkc does not exist." "Xcd does not exist" "Xkd does not exist" |
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| 08:25.35 | batrick | Shirik: you shold have access now to the conf dir |
| 08:25.53 | batrick | you may need to restart your session to let the group changes go through |
| 08:26.23 | Shirik | <3 |
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| 08:41.34 | Shirik | !ap 1612 |
| 08:41.34 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1612 is, 2v2: 365, 3v3: 423, 5v5: 481 |
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| 08:45.54 | batrick | the more i think about it the less i like the idea of sharing tables |
| 08:46.31 | zenzelezz | lua tables or physical tables? |
| 08:46.44 | Shirik | batrick: But there has to be a way |
| 08:46.47 | Shirik | we just haven't found it yet |
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| 08:52.19 | batrick | i think we should just copy the strings btw shirik |
| 08:52.49 | Shirik | then what happens if one changes? |
| 08:52.50 | batrick | long strings suck but passing those between threads is user stupidity not ours |
| 08:52.58 | batrick | strings don't change shirik? |
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| 08:53.02 | Shirik | uh |
| 08:53.06 | Shirik | foo = "bar"; |
| 08:53.09 | Shirik | foo = "baz"; |
| 08:53.15 | Shirik | as far as the user is concerned, it changed |
| 08:53.19 | Shirik | I said this not too long ago |
| 08:53.26 | batrick | I'm talking about values |
| 08:53.43 | batrick | you're changing the global variable there |
| 08:53.51 | batrick | not relevant to other threads |
| 08:54.10 | Shirik | ok you know what |
| 08:54.17 | Shirik | you're going to need to show me how you intend to share a value |
| 08:54.27 | batrick | uh |
| 08:54.44 | batrick | I thought that was what we were working on |
| 08:54.49 | Shirik | (Yes I realize not through global variables, that's not the point) |
| 08:54.54 | Shirik | not HOW |
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| 08:55.04 | Shirik | but how a user function would request this |
| 08:55.05 | batrick | shirik the framework for this will be similar to what luatask does, except we can pass any value |
| 08:55.12 | Shirik | I have zero knowledge of luatask |
| 08:55.16 | Shirik | you need to stop using them as a reference |
| 08:55.20 | batrick | ok fine different analogy |
| 08:55.24 | batrick | it'd be like coroutines |
| 08:55.28 | batrick | you pass values via resume |
| 08:55.32 | batrick | and you receive them via yield |
| 08:55.38 | batrick | same idea here but with threads |
| 08:55.52 | Shirik | ok |
| 08:56.01 | batrick | they will have completely different global states though, only thing we are sharing is values |
| 08:56.29 | Shirik | so anything that is not passed initially cannot be accessed, period |
| 08:56.40 | batrick | correct |
| 08:56.49 | batrick | the other thing is |
| 08:57.01 | batrick | if we DO share tables, we need to provide a locking mechanism for them |
| 08:57.10 | Shirik | we need to provide |
| 08:57.16 | Shirik | not necessarily perform automatically |
| 08:57.30 | batrick | right, we couldn't do it automatically |
| 08:57.34 | batrick | not without hacking Lua core |
| 08:57.34 | Shirik | The user needs to be intelligent enough to correct race conditions on their own, imo. |
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| 08:57.43 | batrick | right |
| 08:57.55 | Shirik | not hard |
| 08:57.58 | Shirik | just a condvar on a mutex |
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| 09:04.46 | Shirik | lmao |
| 09:04.51 | Shirik | I confused the hell out of #wowace I think |
| 09:05.02 | Shirik | (04:03:38) (+Shirik) Warrior stances are like a SP3T switch |
| 09:05.12 | Shirik | (04:04:00) (+Shirik) Druid forms are like a DP4T switch with an extra NO connection |
| 09:05.46 | Shirik | OH batrick! |
| 09:05.49 | Shirik | Want to help me real quick? |
| 09:06.07 | Shirik | ah nm, I'll catch you tomorrow (later today) if you're on |
| 09:06.33 | batrick | what's up |
| 09:06.42 | Shirik | I was going to ask you about my transistor logic |
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| 09:06.52 | batrick | i can try to help |
| 09:07.01 | Shirik | Well it just doesn't make sense |
| 09:07.13 | Shirik | It's 5V but doesn't allow any current to flow from collector to base :( |
| 09:07.19 | Shirik | And there's no resistor from collector to base! |
| 09:07.32 | Shirik | er |
| 09:07.34 | Shirik | s/base/emitter/ |
| 09:07.53 | Shirik | But the voltage applied to the line at the collector is applied to the emitter |
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| 09:08.21 | Shirik | (NPN BJT) |
| 09:08.33 | Shirik | I should probably be using MOSFETs for this, but oh well |
| 09:08.55 | Shirik | I'm thinking about sticking an op amp buffer (Voltage follower) at the end, I might just do that |
| 09:09.19 | Shirik | but I'm really running out of room here |
| 09:09.25 | Shirik | stupid fricking 10s delay... |
| 09:09.31 | Shirik | I had to add a 555 timer into my circuit too :< |
| 09:09.45 | Shirik | I think I told you this |
| 09:15.30 | Shirik | I'll figure this all out later |
| 09:15.34 | Shirik | going to hop to bed for a few hours |
| 09:15.34 | Shirik | night |
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| 09:36.45 | widgertick | ~seen Hawksy |
| 09:36.46 | purl | i haven't seen 'hawksy', widgertick |
| 09:37.00 | widgertick | Hmm |
| 09:51.52 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/01/funny-pictures-ur-hikkups/ |
| 09:54.49 | Cairenn|afk | ROFL! |
| 09:55.54 | Wobin | hm |
| 09:56.09 | Wobin | without an appropriate cat image to go with the lolcat text |
| 09:56.14 | Wobin | it really irritates me |
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| 09:56.26 | Wobin | I guess cats -do- make everything better =P |
| 09:56.34 | Wobin | cause I cannot -stand- the comments on that site |
| 09:57.01 | Wobin | It makes me think: "My GOD people! Speak PROPERLY, the cats can't help it, but YOU CAN!" |
| 09:57.08 | Wobin | Then I smack myself in the face a few times |
| 09:57.17 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 09:57.35 | zenzelezz | where was that picture... |
| 09:57.42 | Wobin | although, on that link |
| 09:57.52 | Wobin | you have a woman having a complete lolcat conversation |
| 09:57.55 | Wobin | WITH HERSELF |
| 09:58.18 | zenzelezz | http://dropline.net/cats/kitty/in-ur-ivory-towers |
| 09:58.25 | Wobin | yeah, I love that one |
| 09:58.42 | Wobin | such shiny white teeth =) |
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| 10:36.07 | Corrodias | well, partway through ff7 (finally playing it), i am pleased, though i have confirmed that my reservations about the graphics were justified. this is one ugly game. |
| 10:36.37 | Corrodias | it amazes me that they could make it look so bad when ff8 looked (comparatively) so good |
| 10:37.06 | zenzelezz | how many years passed from FF7 to FF8? |
| 10:38.31 | Corrodias | good question, though the capability of the hardware remained the same throughout |
| 10:38.35 | Th3Unknown | is there some kind of addon that lets you write Macros without limiting you to the 255 characters? |
| 10:38.55 | Corrodias | yes, um... what's it called... macrosequence or something |
| 10:39.04 | Corrodias | but you write them out-of-game with a slightly different format |
| 10:39.36 | Corrodias | 2 years |
| 10:39.45 | Th3Unknown | oh I see |
| 10:39.49 | Th3Unknown | thanks Corr |
| 10:40.42 | Corrodias | speaking of final fantasy, i loathed 9 enough that i couldn't get more than a few hours in |
| 10:41.30 | Corrodias | makes me wonder if i would have any chance of enjoying 10 |
| 10:42.36 | Corrodias | and somehow i totally missed the release of 12 |
| 10:42.39 | nevcairiel | its probably easier to get a Naxx raid then a BWL raid |
| 10:42.43 | Corrodias | well, missed hearing about it |
| 10:42.49 | nevcairiel | er wrong window |
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| 12:02.46 | foxlit | oh fs |
| 12:03.02 | foxlit | xpantivirus @ wowi :( |
| 12:03.29 | zenzelezz | hm? |
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| 12:04.18 | foxlit | Pops up an alert box with a "Your pc is zomginsecure", hijacks browser tab and navigates to their site |
| 12:05.13 | zenzelezz | not familiar with that, is it part of some mischievous ad? |
| 12:05.46 | foxlit | yep, was on wowhead earlier as well |
| 12:06.52 | zenzelezz | "Ilikepusy"... either people have completely run out of imagination, or my server is too full |
| 12:07.43 | |pez| | I'll... cry for the sake of the world now. -__- |
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| 14:04.00 | art3mis | ya know i never noticed that outlook2007 doesnt automatically add contacts when you send or reply |
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| 14:40.10 | Weirdo | Is this the right place to ask about UI dev? |
| 14:40.20 | Cairenn|afk | yup |
| 14:40.20 | Weirdo | And, uh, hello. |
| 14:40.41 | Cairenn|afk | hi |
| 14:40.54 | Weirdo | Ah, may I get some direction as to how I would go about saving info from a /who query |
| 14:41.22 | Weirdo | I mean, saving to file. I'm taking a look at the API from wowwiki, but nothing rang a bell about saveing to file yet |
| 14:41.37 | [dRaCo] | there is no real saving to file in WoW |
| 14:41.54 | [dRaCo] | you can just put it in your SavedVariables for that addon |
| 14:42.08 | Weirdo | but cartographer for example saves nodes to a xml doesnt it ? |
| 14:42.35 | |pez| | You can't just save a file, you have to use SavedVariables. |
| 14:42.48 | Weirdo | ah I see |
| 14:42.52 | [dRaCo] | Weirdo: don't think so, cart uses SV like everybody else |
| 14:43.31 | Weirdo | I understand - I intend to do a /who query every few minutes and saving that information in whatever way I can, but not overwriting it |
| 14:44.02 | [dRaCo] | basically: keep an array while WoW is running, save that array to your SVs when quitting |
| 14:44.12 | [dRaCo] | you might wanna read http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions |
| 14:44.31 | Weirdo | ty, I'm gonna get right on it! |
| 14:45.03 | [dRaCo] | or you could use AceDB to handle all that stuff for you |
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| 15:04.09 | wereHamster | is there an event that fires after VARIABLES_LOADED but before the player enters world? |
| 15:07.55 | dylanm | wereHamster: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process |
| 15:09.38 | wereHamster | problem is that the UIParent scale is loaded after VARIABLES_LOADED is fired, and my addon relies on UIParent:GetEffectiveScale() during VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 15:10.43 | Tem | wereHamster, 2 things |
| 15:10.49 | Tem | first: use PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 15:11.06 | Tem | second: you will always recieve the even _after_ UIParent |
| 15:11.06 | wereHamster | for UI-configuration? |
| 15:11.24 | Tem | because it's impossible for you to register before the base ui |
| 15:11.40 | wereHamster | how come that UIParent:GetEffectiveScale() returns 1 in VARIABLES_LOADED and 0.64 when in game? |
| 15:11.57 | Tem | (I'm only 70% sure that events are dispatched in order-of-registration) |
| 15:12.10 | Tem | k, then I'm wrong |
| 15:12.18 | Tem | try PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 15:12.29 | Tem | vars are guaranteed to have loaded by then |
| 15:12.48 | Tem | so there's a good chance that vars_loaded happens before that |
| 15:13.06 | Tem | Also, if that's still not good enough, use the first OnUpdate after vars_loaded |
| 15:13.39 | wereHamster | that is what I was doing before, but then I moved the code to the OnEvent handler :) |
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| 15:22.28 | foxlit | What handles tooltip popups for the items you can roll on? |
| 15:25.05 | wereHamster | Tem, thanks, PLAYER_LOGIN did the trick :) |
| 15:25.24 | Tem | cool |
| 15:27.36 | zenzelezz | [Party] [...]: quickly resurrection the boss |
| 15:27.39 | zenzelezz | [Party] [...]: together cut? |
| 15:27.58 | |pez| | ehwhat? |
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| 15:29.40 | dylanm | foxlit: When you mouseover the roll? It's another SetTooltipSetItem isn't it? |
| 15:30.00 | foxlit | dylanm: it's a bit more grained than that |
| 15:30.16 | foxlit | SetLootRollItem is what I'm looking at at the moment |
| 15:35.04 | Thrae | WoWLuaircBot new feature: !ico and !icof (item compare modules). Type in !help ico and !help icof for more information. Play with it in #WowLuaircBot or via messages. |
| 15:35.04 | WoWLuaircBot | !ico <item name or id>,<item name or id> -- Compares the basic stats of two items. |
| 15:36.35 | dylanm | Does yours do Lua evaluation as well? Didn't know that. |
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| 15:37.00 | dylanm | :D |
| 15:38.27 | Cide | oh look, another bot! |
| 15:39.21 | nevcairiel | its not new, its former ThraeBot |
| 15:40.42 | foxlit | VerbosityModeOn=VeryYes? |
| 15:42.24 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4976342672&sid=1 |
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| 15:44.58 | foxlit | It resolves to a way-wrong IP for some people? |
| 15:45.20 | Cairenn|afk | rofl |
| 15:47.13 | wereHamster | I also get the hijacked site :( |
| 15:47.50 | Cairenn|afk | I got the armory |
| 15:48.10 | Cairenn|afk | (I used the link on the front page of the site, not from in the thread) |
| 15:49.27 | [dRaCo] | godaddy here |
| 15:49.29 | [dRaCo] | weird stuff |
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| 15:50.17 | [dRaCo] | armory.wow-europe.com works |
| 15:51.18 | foxlit | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=www.wowarmory.com |
| 15:51.22 | foxlit | "Expires 02-mar-2008" |
| 15:51.31 | |Pixel| | HA HA HA |
| 15:51.36 | |Pixel| | really ? :) |
| 15:52.01 | [dRaCo] | acon and tcon are still blizz |
| 15:52.18 | |Pixel| | omg ;) |
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| 15:52.51 | |Pixel| | what is this hijacked site you're talking about exactly ? |
| 15:53.05 | [dRaCo] | general advertising bs |
| 15:53.14 | |Pixel| | which IP ? |
| 15:53.36 | [dRaCo] | Resolved www.wowarmory.com to 68.178.232.99 |
| 15:53.38 | foxlit | Tracing route to wowarmory.com [68.178.232.99] |
| 15:53.41 | foxlit | from that thread :P |
| 15:53.49 | |Pixel| | which thread ? |
| 15:53.53 | wereHamster | don't you usually get tons of emails before your domain expires?? |
| 15:53.59 | [dRaCo] | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4976342672&sid=1 |
| 15:54.09 | |Pixel| | wereHamster: yes |
| 15:54.37 | foxlit | wereHamster: who reads that spam? |
| 15:54.57 | wereHamster | ~fail blizzard webmasters |
| 15:54.57 | purl | blizzard webmasters: Fail. |
| 15:54.58 | foxlit | Two things are odd, though: blizzard using godaddy and blizzard registering domains for less than a decade! |
| 15:55.41 | Cairenn|afk | someone's gonna get their fingers smacked |
| 15:56.00 | nevcairiel | haha thats so stupid |
| 15:56.03 | |pez| | waitwait, has someone forgotten to renew blizzard/wow related domains? XD |
| 15:56.03 | nevcairiel | really ~fail them :P |
| 15:56.06 | |Pixel| | I can't remember how much time I said that using godaddy was the biggest mistake ever |
| 15:56.12 | nevcairiel | |pez|: only wowarmory.com |
| 15:56.23 | nevcairiel | "only" :P |
| 15:56.29 | |Pixel| | moreover, the guy who handle the domain names is a big moron |
| 16:01.01 | Fisker- | YOU FAIL |
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| 16:17.56 | Fisker- | One does not simply ride into Jerusalem |
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| 16:18.18 | Adys | [16:55:01] <foxlit> Two things are odd, though: blizzard using godaddy and blizzard registering domains for less than a decade! |
| 16:18.23 | Adys | its a SIGN |
| 16:18.32 | Adys | They are hiding a MESSAGE |
| 16:19.10 | zenzelezz | could be they just weren't sure it would be a success |
| 16:19.32 | Adys | no dude, i tell you its a SIGN |
| 16:19.51 | [dRaCo] | of the apocalypse? |
| 16:20.23 | Adys | No, Activision Blizzard has plans for a merger with GoDaddy before it's bought by Yahoo! |
| 16:20.37 | [dRaCo] | ah |
| 16:21.52 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 16:22.13 | Fisker- | godaddy = fail |
| 16:22.16 | Adys | http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Blizzard_Entertainment_buys_GoDaddy_com_for_15_billions ! |
| 16:22.23 | zenzelezz | you couldn't be more wrong Adys |
| 16:22.31 | Adys | I tell you, I'm right |
| 16:22.31 | zenzelezz | they're secretly hooking up with IGN GameSpy |
| 16:22.55 | Adys | no way. IGN is already part of another conspiracy theory |
| 16:23.00 | zenzelezz | okay, okay, you want the truth? |
| 16:23.04 | zenzelezz | WoWI bought Blizzard |
| 16:23.11 | Cairenn|afk | HAH! |
| 16:23.18 | Adys | seriously? |
| 16:23.23 | Adys | I dont support you guys anymore then :( |
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| 16:23.26 | Fisker- | IS IT TRUE? |
| 16:23.38 | Cairenn|afk | srsly! |
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| 16:24.40 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
| 16:24.50 | Adys | dontcha laugh at me ! |
| 16:25.24 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
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| 16:43.23 | foxlit | How do CompareItems work with GameTooltip? |
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| 16:46.41 | |pez| | it's amazing how these folks just read the first post, and answer on their own, without either browsing through to see that there has already been a solution / explenetion to the problem. |
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| 17:02.45 | frop | yo |
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| 17:05.55 | frop | there's a wowace addon displaying remaining time on "traps" (like the 60seconds that a trap lasts, without being triggered)? |
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| 17:22.17 | [dRaCo] | KingOfTheJungle did that, iirc |
| 17:22.21 | [dRaCo] | dunno if that still works |
| 17:23.17 | frop | could try it... |
| 17:23.29 | frop | ...just using kht now...but it's not "ace" |
| 17:23.58 | zenzelezz | does it matter whether it's Ace or not? |
| 17:24.30 | frop | zenzelezz yep...for me ye |
| 17:25.04 | zenzelezz | you could try the wowace channel instead of a general channel then |
| 17:25.13 | wereHamster | frop, please go read this: http://wiki.wowace.com/wiki/Make_it_Ace'd |
| 17:25.34 | frop | zenzelezz doing that too |
| 17:26.03 | wereHamster | zenzelezz, he's 'cross-posting' here and in #wowace |
| 17:26.04 | Cide | frop: and why does it matter? |
| 17:26.22 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: just figured they would be more likely to know |
| 17:26.37 | Sixen | kd3 |
| 17:27.10 | frop | Cide not a real reason...mostly visual.... |
| 17:27.21 | Cide | sigh |
| 17:27.24 | Cide | people are fucking stupid |
| 17:27.25 | wereHamster | that's total bs... visual? ace? |
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| 17:27.43 | frop | and i like avoid to not use more than one mod for a single thing |
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| 17:27.55 | Cide | uhh |
| 17:27.57 | Cide | for what reason? |
| 17:28.10 | Cide | and what does that have to do with ace? |
| 17:28.11 | frop | so, rly i don't like using two mods to diplay buffs/cooldown, for example |
| 17:28.36 | wereHamster | these are no reasons to not use, or even try, non-ace addons |
| 17:28.53 | frop | ace mods "should" share same libs, etc...like the page posted by wereHamster says |
| 17:29.13 | wereHamster | so? |
| 17:29.38 | frop | so...asking for an ace mods...that's all |
| 17:29.52 | frop | and [dRaCo] gave me a response... |
| 17:29.58 | Cide | sharing libs does what? |
| 17:30.01 | frop | ...not wining cause i ask |
| 17:30.15 | frop | Cide, have you read the wereHamster page? |
| 17:30.25 | [dRaCo] | that's because I'm such a nice guy. |
| 17:30.37 | frop | [dRaCo] .) |
| 17:30.49 | wereHamster | frop, you apparently didn't either, because it says there can be reasons _not_ to use ace! |
| 17:30.49 | Cide | frop: I know the advantages and disadvantages of ace without reading your page |
| 17:31.35 | Cide | frop: I'm asking you: why does it matter whether or not addons share the same libs? |
| 17:31.38 | frop | so, why you ask me? |
| 17:32.01 | Cide | ... |
| 17:32.20 | frop | ...already said...i've not a valid answer to that... |
| 17:32.27 | Cide | ok |
| 17:32.37 | frop | i said "just visual" |
| 17:32.38 | Cide | then why are you using ace if you don't know why it benefits you? |
| 17:32.45 | frop | omg |
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| 17:33.01 | Cide | or rather, why are you going out of your way to only use ace addons? |
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| 17:33.26 | frop | cause i like them all in the same "site"...is enought? |
| 17:33.40 | Cide | nope |
| 17:33.49 | frop | well, for me is a good reason |
| 17:33.54 | wereHamster | frop, you seem to be totally brainwashed. You want to use only ace addons, but there is no reason for that, since there are many good non-ace addons (even in the wowace repository) |
| 17:34.42 | frop | wereHamster like ckknight's? |
| 17:35.06 | frop | well, tbh i consider them "ace"...using "ace" as a catchall |
| 17:35.14 | wereHamster | I believe ckknight uses ace for his addons.. |
| 17:35.17 | Cide | don't |
| 17:35.22 | frop | he doesn't |
| 17:35.25 | wereHamster | rock? |
| 17:35.29 | frop | he's developed rock |
| 17:35.50 | wereHamster | well, he used to use ace |
| 17:35.56 | frop | sure |
| 17:35.58 | nymbia | so are you saying that you prefer addons that use the ace framework, or that you prefer addons on wowace.com? |
| 17:36.14 | frop | wowace.com |
| 17:36.17 | wereHamster | or addons wit 'ace' in their name |
| 17:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You can get your addon hosted there, even if it isn't ace'd |
| 17:36.31 | ScytheBlade1 | So... |
| 17:36.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 17:36.37 | nymbia | because of WAU, or another reason? |
| 17:36.49 | frop | Wau is another nice reason for that too |
| 17:37.19 | Weirdo | Is there any place with a basic example of a "first Addon"? |
| 17:37.30 | wereHamster | ~framexml |
| 17:37.31 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdnaddons.com/ |
| 17:37.40 | nymbia | Weirdo: if you get that kit, there's a nice example addon in there |
| 17:37.41 | Weirdo | ty! |
| 17:38.05 | wereHamster | and wowwiki has also some basic examples |
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| 17:46.09 | ScytheBlade1 | So, what's the general premise behind health bars? How would I create one? Just a frame, texture, and SetWidth()? |
| 17:46.36 | zenzelezz | opinions differ I think |
| 17:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough, I can see that |
| 17:46.51 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm also looking into the basics now ;) |
| 17:47.07 | Weirdo | thank you very much guys! :) I will try to finish my "project" now! cya! |
| 17:47.08 | zenzelezz | heard someone mention that SetWidth involved some extra operations compared to status bars, but I don't recall or know the details, or whether it's right |
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| 17:47.39 | zenzelezz | I do mine with a texture and SetHeight (vertical bars) anyhow |
| 17:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually what I'm poking with, vertical bars |
| 17:48.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Wanted to make sure there wasn't any voodoo I needed to know from horizontal bars first, though |
| 17:49.14 | |pez| | damn you Ikea, must you always have weird screws? >__< |
| 17:50.49 | Cide | don't question the IKEA |
| 17:51.13 | |pez| | Ok, so it's probably my fault I lost the tool to actually make this thing work. |
| 17:51.22 | |pez| | but still -__- |
| 17:51.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Are there any real advantages to using a StatusBar vs. standard frame? |
| 17:52.13 | dylanm | The code just looks nicer if you're using it for exactly what Blizzard does. |
| 17:52.16 | dylanm | I can |
| 17:52.17 | nymbia | lets you do :SetValue |
| 17:52.30 | dylanm | 't imagine that it's wildly faster. |
| 17:53.04 | ScytheBlade1 | If I'm doing :SetHeight(), I can't see how that'd be any different from :SetValue() though |
| 17:53.04 | nymbia | maybe a bit, yeah |
| 17:53.09 | ScytheBlade1 | A minor change to the numbers and that's it |
| 17:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | If that |
| 17:53.45 | zenzelezz | afraid I can't remember who was talking about this some time ago |
| 17:53.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 17:53.56 | Cide | with :SetValue() you don't have to figure out the curr/max ratio |
| 17:54.06 | Cide | err |
| 17:54.07 | Cide | yeah |
| 17:54.14 | Cide | and you don't have to care about the max height either |
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| 17:54.58 | nymbia | another problem with :SetHeight is that if you're using a custom texture, it'll stretch the entire texture into the current value |
| 17:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Any way around that? |
| 17:55.42 | dylanm | Granted, you do have to handle that yourself. |
| 17:56.19 | nymbia | ScytheBlade1: :SetTexCoord |
| 17:56.29 | zenzelezz | that's what I do on mine, SetHeight + SetTexCoord |
| 17:56.33 | zenzelezz | easy enough calculation |
| 17:56.37 | nymbia | yup |
| 17:56.53 | Kaso | I sware i'll kill ever web designer who puts javascript right-click prevention code in their website |
| 17:56.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa, that's a lot of params on SetTexCoord |
| 17:57.06 | zenzelezz | not really |
| 17:57.15 | nymbia | haha |
| 17:57.21 | nymbia | you're not doing rotation |
| 17:57.27 | dylanm | StatusBar:SetOrientation doesn't really work right |
| 17:57.32 | nymbia | so it's 8 ;) |
| 17:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Simple enough |
| 17:58.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh okay, I see |
| 17:58.28 | foxlit | Fear my novel invention |
| 17:58.31 | ScytheBlade1 | (Now that the wiki loads) |
| 17:58.33 | foxlit | A DKP FLASH GAME! |
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| 17:59.01 | dylanm | Haha. |
| 17:59.02 | dylanm | TD. |
| 17:59.47 | foxlit | You, the protagonist, are pitted with other 31 AI-controlled players on a everything-you-can-loot journey through all of BC end-game content |
| 18:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah yes, matrix multiplication |
| 18:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | My good friend |
| 18:00.50 | foxlit | Your mission? To score whatever epics you want under different DKP loot systems |
| 18:01.15 | foxlit | Meet your opponents: Bob the turtling holy priest, Mike the grab-everything-and-cycle-guilds Main Tank, |
| 18:01.28 | foxlit | and Jeff the hunter, who loots cloth +healing gear for Mend Pet. |
| 18:01.36 | aurica | x.x |
| 18:02.27 | aurica | mind if i ask a silly ui question? ^^; |
| 18:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember when I first started looking into frames, over a year ago |
| 18:02.39 | foxlit | aurica: don't ask, ask. |
| 18:02.40 | ScytheBlade1 | When I saw a line like this in the wiki: "Texture has all of the methods from UIObject, Region and LayeredRegion, plus the following:" |
| 18:03.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I would create a UIObject, Region, LayeredRegion, and then the Texture frame, all parented |
| 18:03.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Ahhh, nothing quite like not having a clue what you were doing. |
| 18:03.31 | foxlit | Hm, needs a class diagram |
| 18:04.17 | aurica | ^^v i tried to create a fontstring inside a frame (using "ZoneText" in the Bliz UI as a guide), but when i attempt to call myfontstring:SetText(...) it says myfontstring is nil |
| 18:04.47 | ScytheBlade1 | aurica: use wowi.pastey.net to show us the code in question |
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| 18:07.03 | aurica | http://wowi.pastey.net/83255 |
| 18:07.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay... how about the lua for OnEvent? |
| 18:08.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Err wait, that might be enough |
| 18:08.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That said I've got no clue, largely because you're using the XML to do it |
| 18:08.51 | wereHamster | the lua part would be useful.. |
| 18:09.15 | aurica | http://wowi.pastey.net/83256 |
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| 18:10.07 | aurica | (it throws the error on line 18, so SetColor, really...) |
| 18:10.43 | wereHamster | can you check Logs\FrameXML.log and see if the xml was loaded successfully? |
| 18:11.43 | aurica | oh, and ignore line 20... i switched the var to see if i could do it to any frame, and didn't put it back... it really says "FadingFrame_show( SillyFrameFrame );" |
| 18:13.28 | aurica | sure |
| 18:14.56 | aurica | hmm... it doesn't say anything about loading it (or that it failed)... |
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| 18:16.59 | wereHamster | it's SetTextColor() and not SetColor() |
| 18:17.19 | wereHamster | are you sure the error was that SillyFrameString is nil? |
| 18:17.53 | wereHamster | see http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API on what are the available functions |
| 18:18.32 | aurica | "..\AddOns\SillyFrame\SillyFrame.lua line 18: attempt to index global 'SillyFrameString' (a nil value) |
| 18:19.39 | wereHamster | where did you copy the xml file from? |
| 18:19.45 | foxlit | erm |
| 18:19.48 | foxlit | Your XML does not parse |
| 18:20.04 | foxlit | Or, rather, does not validate against the XSD |
| 18:20.10 | foxlit | You cannot nest <Layer> in <Frame> |
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| 18:20.34 | foxlit | So your entire XML file is chucked out and none of the UI objects in it are created |
| 18:20.35 | aurica | ah! |
| 18:20.39 | wereHamster | <Layers> <Layer level="ARTWORK"> ... </Layer></Layers> |
| 18:20.42 | aurica | thank you x.x |
| 18:21.32 | aurica | awesome! |
| 18:21.44 | zenzelezz | isn't that something FrameXML.log would show? |
| 18:22.29 | aurica | one would think, but it didn't have it listed =/ |
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| 18:26.39 | foxlit | zenzelezz: yes, yes it would. |
| 18:30.52 | aurica | i checked again (removing layers and having the error pop up) but the only lines in there are from auctioneer (virtual objects already exist) searching for Silly produces no matches |
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| 18:35.13 | aurica | thanks again ^_^ |
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| 18:44.23 | Duman | whoa |
| 18:44.28 | Duman | wowarmory.com got hijacked? |
| 18:44.31 | |pez| | No |
| 18:44.34 | foxlit | expired. |
| 18:44.38 | |pez| | the domain simply expired. |
| 18:44.43 | Duman | haha close enough |
| 18:44.47 | Duman | *facepalm* |
| 18:44.54 | Duman | who doesn't use autorenew these days |
| 18:45.04 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.21 | Fisker- | oh |
| 18:48.29 | Fisker- | i should buy it |
| 18:48.34 | Fisker- | i always wanted to get in trouble |
| 18:48.58 | Fisker- | Then after Blizzard opens up a case for domain hijacking i'll use media for some attention whoring and get free epix |
| 18:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, can't buy it |
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| 18:49.27 | Fisker- | D: |
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| 18:52.00 | Duman | it's in "redemption period", so no one can "steal" it yet ;) |
| 18:52.57 | Duman | I do find it highly amusing that the keyword ads that appear there are all wow gold ads ;) |
| 18:53.16 | Duman | and powerleveling |
| 18:53.34 | Shirik|zZz | what are you guys talking about? |
| 18:53.37 | Shirik|zZz | looks fine to me |
| 18:53.40 | Duman | go to www.wowarmory.com |
| 18:53.55 | Shirik|zZz | I'm there right now |
| 18:54.02 | Duman | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 18:54.02 | Duman | www.wowarmory.com. 3002 IN CNAME wowarmory.com. |
| 18:54.02 | Duman | wowarmory.com. 3002 IN NS ns12.domaincontrol.com. |
| 18:54.02 | Duman | wowarmory.com. 3002 IN NS ns11.domaincontrol.com. |
| 18:54.11 | Duman | wowarmory.com has address 68.178.232.99 |
| 18:54.17 | Duman | are you getting the same name? |
| 18:54.22 | Duman | or do you have the old resolt cached |
| 18:54.25 | Duman | result* |
| 18:54.29 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:54.44 | Shirik|zZz | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 18:54.44 | Shirik|zZz | Name: wowarmory.com |
| 18:54.44 | Shirik|zZz | Address: 12.129.242.20 |
| 18:54.44 | Shirik|zZz | Aliases: www.wowarmory.com |
| 18:54.53 | Duman | yeah that's the old recod |
| 18:54.56 | Duman | record |
| 18:54.57 | Duman | cached |
| 18:55.10 | Shirik|zZz | not my problem |
| 18:55.11 | Duman | querying the root servers will tell you otherwise |
| 18:55.12 | Shirik|zZz | ISP is cachingi t |
| 18:55.18 | Duman | of coruse not, it's blizzards ;) |
| 18:55.25 | Duman | ;; SERVER: 192.5.6.30#53(a.gtld-servers.net) |
| 18:55.28 | Duman | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
| 18:55.28 | Duman | ;www.wowarmory.com. IN NS |
| 18:55.28 | Duman | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: |
| 18:55.28 | Duman | wowarmory.com. 172800 IN NS ns11.domaincontrol.com. |
| 18:55.28 | Duman | wowarmory.com. 172800 IN NS ns12.domaincontrol.com. |
| 18:55.48 | Duman | and then |
| 18:55.49 | Duman | ;; SERVER: 64.202.165.115#53(ns11.domaincontrol.com.) |
| 18:55.53 | Duman | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 18:55.53 | Duman | www.wowarmory.com. 3600 IN CNAME wowarmory.com. |
| 18:55.53 | Duman | wowarmory.com. 3600 IN A 68.178.232.99 |
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| 18:59.25 | Thrae | Fixed WoWLuaircBot to go to armory.worldofwarcraft.com and armory.wow-europe.com respectively |
| 18:59.45 | Duman | those should never break, at least :) |
| 19:02.47 | Shirik|zZz | ahahaha |
| 19:02.53 | Shirik|zZz | "he has to block the little pokie ball" |
| 19:02.58 | Shirik|zZz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBM854BTGL0 |
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| 19:11.30 | WHY|Roa | has any of you folks ever encountered problems when parenting an eePanels2 panel to the Quartz player cast bar (QuartzCastBar)? |
| 19:11.34 | Sixen | Lawl |
| 19:11.55 | WHY|Roa | lawl you say? |
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| 19:20.04 | Sixen | Lawl I say! |
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| 19:24.21 | Sixen | Armory is fixed. |
| 19:33.57 | Sixen | Wpw. ot |
| 19:34.02 | Sixen | Wow, it's down again*. |
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| 20:18.41 | kd3 | gah. need to bitch at evga. think the fan on my 8600gt's dying |
| 20:19.23 | kd3 | I'm idling and it's hovering at 61c |
| 20:20.15 | Adys | does it make any noise? |
| 20:20.26 | Adys | the fan on the 8600gt is huge |
| 20:21.09 | kd3 | it's spinning, I'm looking at it... but it's barely moving any air |
| 20:21.32 | Adys | umh |
| 20:24.52 | wereHamster | is it allowed to table.remove() while iterating over a table? |
| 20:26.15 | Fisker- | o hai kd3 |
| 20:26.18 | Fisker- | get a 8800GT |
| 20:26.22 | Fisker- | also |
| 20:26.29 | Fisker- | i'm gonna hurt you |
| 20:26.37 | kd3 | thinking about it, or running two 9600s in sli |
| 20:26.54 | Fisker- | i thought they 9600's were worse than the 8800GT's |
| 20:27.07 | kd3 | they're also a few hundred bucks cheaper iirc |
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| 20:27.27 | Krolmor | howdy |
| 20:27.40 | Sixen | Hey kd3 |
| 20:27.45 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 20:28.15 | Krolmor | Could someone explain to me why my variables ain't saving properly? |
| 20:28.50 | kd3 | you setting a SavedVariables line in your .toc? |
| 20:29.03 | Krolmor | yeah, ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: WHOMODE_LIST |
| 20:29.15 | Krolmor | it worked once and never again.. |
| 20:29.34 | kd3 | make sure your WTF folder (and all its subfolders) aren't marked read-only |
| 20:29.41 | Krolmor | in the .lua script I made a simple test: WHOMODE_LIST = "wee!" |
| 20:30.06 | Sixen | Does Hortus have a PTR char? |
| 20:30.23 | Fisker- | you're not gonna get his account name nanana |
| 20:30.27 | kd3 | one would assume |
| 20:30.39 | Fisker- | Are the gm commands still active on the PTR? |
| 20:30.42 | Sixen | Nope |
| 20:30.45 | Fisker- | bah |
| 20:30.50 | Sixen | =p |
| 20:30.55 | Fisker- | would've been awesome to check a GM's accountname |
| 20:30.58 | kd3 | worldport was working on the arena server yesterday |
| 20:31.02 | Sixen | Mmm |
| 20:31.05 | Sixen | Port and Worldport were working |
| 20:31.12 | Sixen | Port doesn't, I haven't tried world port |
| 20:31.21 | Fisker- | 8vs3 arenas = fun |
| 20:31.28 | Sixen | lawl |
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| 20:32.01 | Vangual | did you get a flag when you ported in? |
| 20:32.15 | Krolmor | doesn't work no matter what I do... i tried a simple assignment like WHOMODE_LIST = "uh"; and it doesn't stinking save... :/ Any ideas? |
| 20:32.20 | Fisker- | yup Vangual |
| 20:33.07 | Fisker- | even had a situation where i ported to the opposing teams place while still in preperation :P |
| 20:33.13 | Fisker- | they lol'd and i almost died :< |
| 20:33.18 | Vangual | surprising that the instance server didn't go bellyup with such a nonstandard groupnumber |
| 20:34.08 | kd3 | Krolmor, that's really weird. are any of your other mods showing problems too? |
| 20:34.35 | Krolmor | nope, that's the only one, and the only one laoded right now |
| 20:34.40 | Krolmor | loaded* |
| 20:35.15 | Iriel | wereHamster: To answer your earlier question -- it's allowed but the result of doing so will depend on how you're iterating and what you remove |
| 20:35.17 | kd3 | you may want to try loading another mod and see if it's saving settings either. at this point I'm still fairly sure your WTF directory is read-only |
| 20:35.40 | Krolmor | just checked, it's not :/ |
| 20:36.32 | wereHamster | Iriel, apparently removing and changing existing entries is allowed, but adding new entries is not.. right? |
| 20:36.51 | Sixen | World Port doesn't work either. |
| 20:37.04 | Iriel | wereHamster: Again, that depends, there's a huge difference between 'pairs' and 'ipairs' iteration |
| 20:38.11 | wereHamster | ok, thanks |
| 20:38.31 | Iriel | ipairs is fairly robust, the key is just an integer, you can do whatever you want to the table and it'll have predictable results. |
| 20:38.35 | MentalPower | !c us alleria Sarox |
| 20:38.39 | WoWLuaircBot | MentalPower: Sarox, Level 67 Dwarf Rogue (5/15/38). 7121 HP; 1318 AP; 233.900 Melee DPS; 19.75% melee crit; 30 melee hit; 30.70% dodge; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1628 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ynkxrw ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33j9jz ][ Updated: Sun Mar 2 15:48:18 2008 EST ]] |
| 20:39.28 | Iriel | pairs on the other hand is more fragile, as long as you only write to keys which were there at the start of iteration (whether setting or nil'ing a value) iteration will be safe. As soon as you write to a key which didn't exist (even if you write with a nil value, it turns out) then you run the risk of either skipping elements or worse, running into an error during iteration. |
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| 20:41.06 | Krolmor | ok, the problem is it can save the FIRST time, but not change the value of the variable later... am I doing something wrong? |
| 20:41.38 | Iriel | Krolmor: I bet you're setting the value when your addon loads, right? |
| 20:42.01 | Iriel | Krolmor: There's a common 'newbie problem' that folks run into, when they set up an SV the first time, then it "sticks" to that first value forever (or appears to) |
| 20:42.04 | Krolmor | yeah |
| 20:42.16 | Iriel | Krolmor: The problem is one of load order... your addon loads, THEN sometime later, its saved variables load. |
| 20:42.25 | Iriel | Krolmor: So you initialize the value, then the OLD value loads over the top. |
| 20:42.34 | Krolmor | oh |
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| 20:42.48 | Iriel | Krolmor: You ideally should be registering for the ADDON_LOADED event, it'll fire with arg1 == your addon's name after its SV's are loaded |
| 20:43.02 | Iriel | (You can unregister it then) |
| 20:43.07 | Tem | or you can wait for PLAYER_LOGIN' |
| 20:43.09 | Iriel | DO check arg1 |
| 20:43.18 | Tem | (if you're not load on demand) |
| 20:43.30 | Iriel | Or you can follow Tem's advice but I wouldn't, because it's not safe for LoD, and it's better to do it the right way always, not the lazy way sometimes. 8-) |
| 20:43.39 | Tem | bah |
| 20:43.45 | Tem | ~laziness |
| 20:43.45 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:43.47 | Iriel | Tem: You know i'm right 8-) |
| 20:43.57 | Krolmor | thanks a bunch! I'm gonna try the event now :) I'll let you know any other mess-ups soon ! |
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| 20:59.20 | Krolmor | just a question: can i register the event on the same function and right after it try to change the variable? |
| 20:59.48 | Krolmor | or the variables must be manipulated any time after ONLOAD on xthe xml descriptor? |
| 21:00.27 | Iriel | I'm not sure exactly what you're asking... |
| 21:00.32 | Iriel | Here's the deal... |
| 21:00.42 | Iriel | at OnLoad time, you can do whatever you want with the variable, it's just a variable afterall. |
| 21:01.10 | Iriel | The problem is at OnLoad time it wont have the saved value, so often whatever you do to or with it then, you need to do AGAIN after the variable has been loaded from the saved variables. |
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| 21:01.35 | Iriel | Personally I'd write an 'initialization' function (YourAddOn_Init) and have that called after the ADDON_LOADED event. |
| 21:01.48 | Iriel | Then you can do all of your setup once, with either the default or the saved variable value. |
| 21:02.00 | Krolmor | yeah, i'm trying to do that, making a function to init and just register the event |
| 21:02.14 | MentalPower | Iriel already said this, but I'll repeat it for clarity. CHECK ARG1 OF ADDON_LOADED :) |
| 21:02.36 | Iriel | You register the event and set up the handler in OnLoad |
| 21:02.43 | Iriel | In case that was your actual question 8-) |
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| 21:03.39 | Krolmor | i think i have even more basic problems than that lol, I just realized |
| 21:05.15 | Krolmor | the init function - does it have to be on the same .lua file? |
| 21:05.30 | Krolmor | having a little bit of trouble understanding that self: part |
| 21:07.12 | wereHamster | MentalPower, is it possible, that arg1 of the very first ADDON_LOADED event you get isn't your addon? |
| 21:07.27 | MentalPower | very |
| 21:07.46 | MentalPower | unless your addon is named !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AAAAAA |
| 21:08.38 | wereHamster | so ADDON_LOADED is fired for every addon that was loaded before your addon? |
| 21:08.44 | MentalPower | yup |
| 21:08.49 | MentalPower | and every addon afterwards too |
| 21:09.19 | cladhaire | wereHamster: well your first statement is misleading |
| 21:09.25 | cladhaire | yes, an ADDON_LOADED is fired for every addon |
| 21:09.29 | wereHamster | are the SV of my addon loaded when the very first ADDON_LOADED fires? |
| 21:09.33 | cladhaire | but if you come third in line, the two that fired before, don't fire again. |
| 21:09.42 | MentalPower | wereHamster: negative |
| 21:10.15 | cladhaire | MentalPower: I've never seen a situation where the first ADDON_LOADED an addon gets isn't its own |
| 21:10.16 | Iriel | MentalPower: Even then it's possible |
| 21:10.16 | MentalPower | ADDON_LOADED fires just after the SVs for that *specific AddOn* have been loaded |
| 21:10.23 | Krolmor | suppose I have this piece of crap err code: function GetWho(self) |
| 21:10.23 | Krolmor | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.24 | Krolmor | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.24 | Krolmor | WHOMODE_LIST = "HAHA NED FLANDERS"; |
| 21:10.24 | Krolmor | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.24 | Krolmor | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.26 | Krolmor | end |
| 21:10.28 | Krolmor | function Registra(self) |
| 21:10.30 | Krolmor | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.32 | Krolmor | end |
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| 21:10.34 | MentalPower | wereHamster: do you use Ace? |
| 21:10.39 | Iriel | It's ADDON_LOADED |
| 21:10.40 | wereHamster | so is it like this? addon lua files are loaded -> ADDON_LOADED fires for every addon that was loaded before my addon -> SV of my addon are loaded -> ADDON_LOADED for my addon fires |
| 21:10.48 | Iriel | and event == 'ADDON_LOADED' and arg1 == "WhoMode" |
| 21:10.51 | MentalPower | wereHamster: correct |
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| 21:11.13 | wereHamster | MentalPower, my land is ace-free land :) |
| 21:11.28 | Iriel | Hang on, there may be some misinformation here... |
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| 21:11.40 | Iriel | Generally ADDON_LOADED fires for an addon before the next addon is parsed and executed. |
| 21:11.47 | Krolmor | lesson learned, don't ctrl-v pieces of code on irc |
| 21:11.52 | Iriel | The tricky ones are those which load other ones |
| 21:11.55 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 21:12.01 | MentalPower | Krolmor: http://wowi.pastey.net |
| 21:12.03 | cladhaire | Krolmor: http://wowi.pastey.net |
| 21:12.07 | Iriel | And they may not be aware they're doing it. |
| 21:12.10 | Krolmor | sorry :p |
| 21:12.11 | MentalPower | hahaha! I win! |
| 21:12.24 | Iriel | Krolmor: event == 'ADDON_LOADED' and arg1 == "WhoMode" |
| 21:13.01 | Krolmor | i see, but the arg1 is loaded by the program itself by default? (i mean, does it know the name of my addon?) |
| 21:13.04 | cladhaire | MentalPower: I had already sent him the lin kin PMs |
| 21:13.16 | MentalPower | cladhaire: cheater! |
| 21:13.24 | Iriel | When you define your event handler... |
| 21:13.36 | Krolmor | i read it, ty cladhaire |
| 21:13.42 | MentalPower | Krolmor: it does, arg1 is the name of your AddOn's folder name |
| 21:13.47 | Iriel | fuction WhoMode_OnEvent(self, event, ...) |
| 21:13.49 | Iriel | then you could do |
| 21:14.13 | Iriel | if (event == "ADDON_LOADED") then local addonName = ...; if (addonName == "WhoMode") then --Stuff-- end end |
| 21:14.35 | MentalPower | wereHamster: anyways, go create an addon that monitors "ADDON_LOADED" events, and print out the arg1's to the chatframe |
| 21:14.54 | Iriel | arg1 is the variable name conventionally used to refer to the first argument of an event. it's also a global set by WoW with that value (thus the convention) |
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| 21:34.27 | stavmar | silly question, does anyone use PhPRaidViewer for their invites? |
| 21:35.44 | foxlit | nef in human form uses a human model? |
| 21:36.04 | kd3 | fox; yeah |
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| 21:38.50 | Sixen | Kd3, did you get my PM? |
| 21:39.07 | kd3 | doubt it, think you sent it when I was on as kd3|hate`net, which isn't registered |
| 21:39.14 | Sixen | =o |
| 21:39.28 | Sixen | resent. |
| 21:40.18 | Sixen | Argh. |
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| 21:44.39 | |pez| | Sneakers, fun movie. |
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| 21:52.10 | Corrodias | MOONFIRE |
| 21:52.12 | Corrodias | BOOM BOOM BOOM |
| 21:52.20 | Shirik | boom boom boom boom |
| 21:52.22 | Shirik | I want you in my room |
| 21:52.27 | Shirik | we'll spend the night together |
| 21:52.30 | Shirik | from now until forever |
| 21:52.43 | Wobin | ... |
| 21:52.45 | Wobin | Steps? |
| 21:53.03 | zenzelezz | you know what's scary? |
| 21:53.12 | Wobin | Aside from Shirik singing that? |
| 21:53.12 | Shirik | 7 |
| 21:53.14 | zenzelezz | we found a video of a guildie of mine dancing to that song on YouTube |
| 21:53.30 | Corrodias | boom boom boom, let's go back to my room, so we can do it all night, and you can make me feel right |
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| 21:53.59 | Shirik | haha zenzelezz |
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| 21:57.42 | foxlit | Hm, my screenshot library is lacking |
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| 22:00.14 | Corrodias | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWLRS-87eE4 |
| 22:00.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Kael'thas down and I have the T5 Chest :> |
| 22:00.43 | Corrodias | yay! |
| 22:00.51 | sag_ich_nicht | fucking son of a bitch |
| 22:01.01 | sag_ich_nicht | MT died at 20%, nobody knows why, we killed him anway |
| 22:01.02 | sag_ich_nicht | *anyway |
| 22:01.10 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 22:01.14 | Corrodias | is anyone in your raid running Recount? |
| 22:01.20 | Shirik | ~boomboom |
| 22:01.22 | sag_ich_nicht | not that i know of |
| 22:01.25 | Shirik | ~moonfire |
| 22:01.35 | sag_ich_nicht | ~doomkin |
| 22:01.39 | sag_ich_nicht | ~oomkin |
| 22:01.42 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 22:01.45 | zenzelezz | I'm tempted to say Pyroblast, but I don't think you'd fall for it |
| 22:01.50 | Shirik | purl, moonfire is <reply> Boom boom boom boom, I want you in my room. We'll spend the night together, from now until forever. |
| 22:01.51 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 22:01.52 | Corrodias | if anyone is, have them switch the display to deaths and click on the MT's name; should bring up a log of the last 20 actions or so per fight. click on the kael fight and it should give some hints as to why he died. |
| 22:01.54 | Shirik | purl, lock moonfire |
| 22:02.04 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: yeah right BECAUSE KAEL DOES PYRO IN P5 |
| 22:02.10 | zenzelezz | exactly ;) |
| 22:02.28 | nevcairiel | he would if i would play him! |
| 22:02.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Corrodias: i have an addon for that |
| 22:02.40 | nevcairiel | stupid kael just forgets his cool spells |
| 22:02.43 | sag_ich_nicht | no srsly there wasn't even a damage event in the combat log, grim reaper would have caught it |
| 22:02.49 | zenzelezz | if bosses were smart they'd just chain-cast their nukes |
| 22:02.49 | Corrodias | interesting :o |
| 22:03.03 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe he somehow got into a nether vapor |
| 22:03.08 | sag_ich_nicht | and got killed by it or something |
| 22:03.09 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno |
| 22:03.29 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: thats what cooldowns are for, doh! |
| 22:04.15 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: face all my advisors while I shield up and pyroblast you and spawn some phoenixes! |
| 22:04.26 | zenzelezz | and maybe a couple of weapons |
| 22:05.05 | zenzelezz | I still wonder if he's breaking his statues on purpose when he enters phase 5 |
| 22:05.19 | sag_ich_nicht | lawl |
| 22:06.38 | foxlit | Can Illidan drop both warglaives simultaneously? |
| 22:06.47 | |Pixel| | no |
| 22:06.55 | zenzelezz | that would be too imba :-p |
| 22:06.58 | zenzelezz | but I don't actually know |
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| 22:07.19 | zenzelezz | "This world will burn!" -> MT disconnects |
| 22:07.27 | |pez| | ... |
| 22:07.36 | foxlit | Hunters with Misdirect save the day. |
| 22:07.43 | foxlit | You DID bring hunters with Misdirect, didn't you? |
| 22:07.47 | zenzelezz | thankfully he can't crush |
| 22:07.52 | zenzelezz | three hunters, yes |
| 22:07.55 | foxlit | (bear tanks, anyway) |
| 22:08.03 | zenzelezz | we have no bears |
| 22:08.07 | zenzelezz | only plate |
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| 22:08.17 | foxlit | wts [bear] |
| 22:08.53 | foxlit | http://www.thedkpgame.com/ |
| 22:09.05 | foxlit | Shock, horror, and reindeer warning |
| 22:09.15 | Shirik | if (event == "CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_YELL" and arg1:match("Too soon")) then ForceQuit(); end |
| 22:09.46 | foxlit | executus? |
| 22:10.01 | Shirik | I miss rags :( |
| 22:10.13 | foxlit | arg1:match("Well done") |
| 22:10.55 | foxlit | I doubt it'd matter no rags |
| 22:11.03 | foxlit | Offline players can't fly |
| 22:11.39 | Kaso | shirk shouldnt that be match("TOO SOON") rag does not care for puney lower case |
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| 22:13.28 | Shirik | Kaso: I'm too tired to think about that right now |
| 22:16.36 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31106 |
| 22:16.39 | Industrial | what do I put in it |
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| 22:17.47 | Industrial | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Boulderfist&n=Seryan |
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| 22:24.08 | Xinhuan | where's antiarc grr |
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| 22:31.56 | Shirik | "NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina's victims have put a price tag on their suffering and it is staggering — including one plaintiff seeking the unlikely sum of $3 quadrillion." |
| 22:32.06 | kd3 | lmao |
| 22:32.07 | Shirik | .. you're kidding, right? |
| 22:32.21 | Shirik | $3,014,170,389,176,410 |
| 22:32.24 | Shirik | is the exact number |
| 22:32.28 | Sixen | Holy Shit. |
| 22:32.36 | Sixen | I don't know what i'd do with that much money. |
| 22:32.46 | Shirik | I don't even think that amount of money exists |
| 22:33.13 | Cide | I guess they'll just have to print some more, then! |
| 22:33.27 | wereHamster | that's not news, that's a few weeks old if not older.. |
| 22:33.42 | Shirik | "For the sake of perspective: A mere $1 quadrillion would dwarf the U.S. gross domestic product, which Scott said was $13.2 trillion in 2007. A stack of one quadrillion pennies would reach Saturn." |
| 22:34.05 | Shirik | Yeah it's from Jan 9 wereHamster :( |
| 22:34.07 | Shirik | But still |
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| 22:34.36 | Cide | so |
| 22:34.40 | Cide | 3x the distance to saturn is what? |
| 22:35.01 | widgertick | 3.6 billion km |
| 22:35.10 | Cide | what's the distance to the sun? |
| 22:35.31 | widgertick | About 150km |
| 22:35.41 | Cide | oh. |
| 22:35.42 | widgertick | Sorry 150 million km =P |
| 22:36.34 | Cide | that sounds a bit more reasonable |
| 22:36.43 | widgertick | Don't pressure me ;_; |
| 22:36.54 | widgertick | Do I look like a gnome-bot to you? |
| 22:37.20 | Cide | frankly, yes |
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| 22:40.02 | Krolmor | eh, dropped - got the variable to register on exiting the game :) |
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| 22:51.02 | AnduinLothar | renaming Archaeologist, need some suggestions |
| 22:51.22 | zenzelezz | what does it do? |
| 22:51.36 | AnduinLothar | It's a bunch of modifications to the built in unit frames |
| 22:51.48 | WobWork | what like? |
| 22:51.51 | AnduinLothar | without replacing them |
| 22:51.54 | MentalPower | why rename? |
| 22:51.57 | Antiarc | Call it Flair |
| 22:52.04 | AnduinLothar | I'm rewritting it from scratch |
| 22:52.11 | WobWork | well, -I- didn't know what it did from the name =) |
| 22:52.20 | foxlit | AL: that's what major version changes are for! |
| 22:52.36 | AnduinLothar | nah, needs a rewrite |
| 22:52.40 | AnduinLothar | and a new name |
| 22:52.44 | WobWork | I would have guessed a history type mod |
| 22:53.04 | foxlit | There's no history to dig up, though |
| 22:53.11 | AnduinLothar | yeah, I need something that makes it obvious what it does |
| 22:53.14 | foxlit | (rewrites _are_ major version changes) |
| 22:53.42 | foxlit | (minor version changes are for significant new functionality, revision numbers are for bugs and minor improvements) |
| 22:53.53 | WobWork | what sort of modifications does it do? |
| 22:53.58 | AnduinLothar | i may even split it up so that one mod handles the status bar text and another handles buffs |
| 22:54.26 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Archaeologist |
| 22:55.03 | WobWork | hm |
| 22:55.09 | WobWork | Detailer |
| 22:56.52 | AnduinLothar | i think I may turn it into 3 mods: UnitFrameTexts, UnitFrameBuffs, and UnitFrameTweaks or something liek that |
| 22:58.41 | AnduinLothar | i need a common prefix |
| 22:59.05 | AnduinLothar | 'UnitFrame' is obvious but not very immaginitive |
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| 23:02.10 | wereHamster | AnduinLothar, take my addon 'coolDown', that's a very stupid name, but everyone instantly knows what it does :) |
| 23:02.31 | AnduinLothar | we do? |
| 23:03.04 | WobWork | http://www.applegeeks.com/comics/viewcomic.php?issue=431 |
| 23:03.31 | WobWork | wereHamster: The way the airconditioning is set in my office... I can sympathise. |
| 23:03.58 | WobWork | dear god, this is the only place I've ever been where I need to bring a winter coat to work in summer |
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| 23:07.21 | Atriace | Booleans in wow are lowercase true/false, right? |
| 23:09.11 | |pez| | damnit, my DVD drive seems to be broke. |
| 23:11.22 | Cide | Atriace: in lua they are |
| 23:11.26 | Cide | draw your own conclusions |
| 23:12.19 | wereHamster | is it not possible to rename a thread on wowi or am I just blind? |
| 23:12.30 | Atriace | Curious because I saw this statement in wowwiki "Early versions of World of Warcraft used Lua v4, which shows in that the majority of APIs still return 1 for "true", and nil for "false"." |
| 23:13.00 | Atriace | wereHamster: You can as long as it's within the last 5 minutes of the original post (I think) |
| 23:13.02 | wereHamster | heh, wasn't boolean available in v4? |
| 23:15.35 | Kaso | well c uses 0 and 1 for boolean so i'd make sense lua would too, but i dont know |
| 23:16.14 | kd3 | lmao... I'm still the only person in shattrath on the tournament test realm |
| 23:16.23 | Sixen | Heh |
| 23:16.26 | Sixen | Maybe i'll come join you.. |
| 23:16.38 | Atriace | grr... inInstance() is being flaky. |
| 23:18.29 | Atriace | boo.... boolean my eye. inInstance() didn't return true/false or 0/1. |
| 23:18.36 | Atriace | It returned nil/1 |
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| 23:19.10 | Atriace | Am I misunderstanding what it should've been or is that supposed to happen? |
| 23:19.46 | Sixen | If anyone feels like sending a sticky request/bump: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4976292609 - Go for it, =o. |
| 23:19.50 | wereHamster | most functions return 1/nil |
| 23:20.01 | Kaso | Atriace, 1 can be considered true in lua |
| 23:20.12 | Cide | >>> not not 1 |
| 23:20.13 | Cide | Cide: true |
| 23:20.14 | Kaso | anything but nil/false can be considered true, even 0 |
| 23:20.14 | Cide | >>> not not nil |
| 23:20.15 | Cide | Cide: false |
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| 23:20.26 | Atriace | 1 I get. It's the nil that bothered me. I was expecting false not nil. |
| 23:20.36 | Atriace | or 0, as it were. |
| 23:20.40 | Cide | Atriace: 0 is true in lua. |
| 23:21.07 | Atriace | lol... aieeee, my head. |
| 23:23.02 | wereHamster | Atriace, returning nil from C is easy, you just return nothing, 'return 0' in a lua cclosure makes it return nil. Blizz make its life easier there :) |
| 23:24.13 | wereHamster | to return false, they'd have to push_boolean(); return 1; which is more code for them |
| 23:24.56 | Shirik | Atriace: Only false and nil evaluate to false |
| 23:24.57 | Shirik | period |
| 23:24.59 | Shirik | No exceptions |
| 23:25.17 | Shirik | everything else evaluates to true |
| 23:25.26 | cladhaire | not exactly true :P |
| 23:25.34 | Shirik | don't talk about metamethods >< |
| 23:25.37 | Shirik | trying not to confuse him >< |
| 23:25.41 | Atriace | hehe |
| 23:25.53 | Shirik | fine, I take back the "no exceptions" part |
| 23:26.01 | cladhaire | thank you! |
| 23:26.02 | cladhaire | :P |
| 23:26.05 | cladhaire | instead use |
| 23:26.05 | Atriace | Well, Kaso said 1 can be true in Lua, and Cide said 0 is true in Lua, so... as long as false is never either, I'm good. |
| 23:26.13 | cladhaire | "as far as you are concerned" |
| 23:26.39 | Shirik | Atriace: numbers are neither false nor nil |
| 23:26.42 | Shirik | therefore they evaluate to true |
| 23:27.15 | Atriace | Got it. |
| 23:27.17 | Shirik | This can be a very useful simplification in a lot of examples where you have to see if a variable has been set |
| 23:28.55 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.08 | Antiarc | That's not a "true" as much as it is "exists and is not false" |
| 23:30.01 | Cide | Antiarc: it evaluates to true |
| 23:30.04 | Cide | >>> 0 == true |
| 23:30.04 | Cide | Cide: false |
| 23:30.10 | Cide | it ISN'T true |
| 23:30.13 | Antiarc | Oh schnaps. |
| 23:30.17 | Cide | but it evaluates to true in a boolean context |
| 23:30.21 | Antiarc | Well, sorta |
| 23:30.24 | Cide | no, not sorta |
| 23:30.27 | Cide | it evaluates to true in a boolean context, period |
| 23:30.29 | Antiarc | It evaluates to "not nil and not false" |
| 23:30.32 | Cide | no |
| 23:30.33 | Cide | it evaluates to true in a boolean context, period |
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| 23:30.33 | Cide | no |
| 23:30.34 | Cide | it evaluates to true in a boolean context, period |
| 23:30.37 | Cide | it evaluates to true in a boolean context, period |
| 23:30.50 | Cide | I'm not sure how much more clear I can put this |
| 23:30.56 | Antiarc | What's a "boolean context" in this case, exactly? |
| 23:31.41 | cladhaire | my mom is a boolean context |
| 23:31.50 | Atriace | too true |
| 23:31.54 | Cide | any case where a variable's truthness is evaluated |
| 23:31.55 | Nechckn | Shirik do you have your daily bot progress pic ready? =) |
| 23:32.03 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:32.06 | Cide | i.e. in while/if statements |
| 23:32.07 | Cide | etc |
| 23:32.13 | Cide | repeat until ... |
| 23:32.19 | Shirik | we;; we lomda ,ito;ated tje ptjer dau |
| 23:32.22 | Shirik | wow. |
| 23:32.28 | Shirik | Well we kinda mutilated it the other day |
| 23:32.32 | Shirik | let me seei f I have a good picture though |
| 23:32.37 | Nechckn | oh... hehehhe |
| 23:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any easy way to SetHeight() based on a percentage of the parent? |
| 23:34.20 | Antiarc | No, you have to reset anchors when the parent resizes. |
| 23:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Ack. Well, that answers that |
| 23:34.42 | nevcairiel | unless you use somewhat smart anchors |
| 23:34.55 | nevcairiel | one left, one right, and it should resize when parent resizes too |
| 23:35.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Unfortunately that won't work 100% as I need it to |
| 23:36.03 | Shirik | ok Nechckn |
| 23:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | But, second question! How do I use user-placed frames? frame:SetUserPlaced(1)? Would doing a SetPoint() on addon load disrupt that at all? |
| 23:36.43 | Sixen | "nevcairiel", is that supposed to be like a child between Carieen, Iriel, and someone else? :/. |
| 23:36.45 | Arrowmaster | double not'ing is a way to figure out what something is in a boolean context |
| 23:36.46 | Antiarc | #define l_isfalse(o) (ttisnil(o) || (ttisboolean(o) && bvalue(o) == 0)) <-- called from lua_toboolean, and evaluates exactly what I said "is not nil and is not false" |
| 23:36.49 | Antiarc | So there. :P |
| 23:36.58 | Antiarc | Or rather, is nil or is false. |
| 23:37.15 | nevcairiel | Sixen: nah pure coincedence, i had that name before wow was released and before i ever heard of those :P |
| 23:37.39 | Antiarc | Granted, in an "if", 0 is cast to a boolean via lua_toboolean and then evaluated. But that's a step higher than my explaination. |
| 23:38.00 | Arrowmaster | but from what i remember all the blizzard funcs return 1/nil instead of true/false for booleans because the early wow beta used Lua4 which didnt have true/false |
| 23:38.23 | wereHamster | Antiarc isfalse() != "is not nil and is not false" |
| 23:38.33 | Antiarc | wereHamster: See my correction :P |
| 23:38.38 | Antiarc | (4:36:59 PM) Antiarc: Or rather, is nil or is false. |
| 23:38.48 | Antiarc | Which is just the compliment of what I'd said |
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| 23:39.18 | Antiarc | Implementation detail, operationally equivalent. |
| 23:39.40 | WobWork | gah |
| 23:39.45 | WobWork | mibbit, don't fail me now |
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| 23:41.05 | Shirik | Nechckn: |
| 23:41.12 | WobWork | meh |
| 23:41.15 | Shirik | The internals of it: http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/3347/bot1td1.jpg |
| 23:41.16 | WobWork | they're still running that openproxy |
| 23:41.37 | Sixen | "As this is a test realm problems are expected, if you can not be patient and cope with these problems I suggest you uninstall the PTR client, return to the Live realms and wait until the Tournament Realms are ready for regular use." |
| 23:41.38 | Sixen | lol! |
| 23:41.41 | Shirik | The frontp anel (not yet done): http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/416/bot2zi5.jpg |
| 23:41.42 | Sixen | Hortus is on a roll. |
| 23:42.00 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:42.08 | Shirik | And this is the part that's really pissing me off |
| 23:42.15 | Shirik | http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7243/bot3hf9.jpg |
| 23:42.28 | Shirik | What happens when a problem is detected -- the bot needs to kill power and turn on those LEDs that are on there |
| 23:42.36 | Shirik | it works, but now I have a timing issue :( |
| 23:42.38 | Shirik | working on that |
| 23:43.20 | Nechckn | Shirik well, esp for "mutilating" it... it's looking pretty good |
| 23:43.51 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:43.58 | Shirik | in the background of pic |
| 23:43.58 | Shirik | 2 |
| 23:44.02 | Shirik | the solder gun is on >< oops |
| 23:44.09 | Nechckn | are the blue lights the one you are talking about activating? |
| 23:44.19 | batrick | Shirik: lol |
| 23:44.26 | Shirik | no |
| 23:44.27 | Shirik | actually |
| 23:44.31 | Shirik | those blue lights came with the PC/104 |
| 23:44.48 | Shirik | each one has a different meaning |
| 23:44.59 | Shirik | PW_OK, PS_ON, 5VSB, +5V, +12V, -12V |
| 23:45.02 | Nechckn | oh wow... and there appears to be a few too |
| 23:45.08 | Shirik | I think that's all of them |
| 23:45.17 | Nechckn | ah.. gotcha. |
| 23:45.48 | Shirik | the wiring is horrible |
| 23:45.50 | Shirik | so ugly |
| 23:45.56 | Shirik | but we want to get it to work first |
| 23:47.01 | Nechckn | well operation usually trumps asthetics- to a big extent |
| 23:47.50 | WobWork | You should name the bot Anna |
| 23:48.02 | Shirik | Anna? |
| 23:49.55 | Kaso | How can you have played world of warcraft and not know Boten Anna |
| 23:50.00 | Kaso | or is that more of a european thing |
| 23:50.09 | Shirik | FYI |
| 23:50.25 | Shirik | Best Buy is getting rid of the Razer Tarantula keyboards |
| 23:50.30 | Shirik | because of failure to sell |
| 23:50.38 | Shirik | Normally priced $100, some stores have them as low as $20 |
| 23:50.46 | Shirik | so if you need a new keyboard, go take a look |
| 23:50.54 | Nechckn | damn... that's a pretty big cut |
| 23:51.03 | dylanm | What a terrible name for anything. |
| 23:51.12 | Shirik | Kaso :( |
| 23:51.17 | Shirik | I have never heard of "Boten Anna" |
| 23:51.30 | Kaso | youtube will tell you |
| 23:51.36 | Kirkburn | Is it me, or does the last post on http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&postId=49757566808&sid=1#478 make no sense? |
| 23:52.02 | Shirik | um |
| 23:52.05 | Shirik | a million things popped up :( |
| 23:52.44 | Kaso | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYQUsp-jxDQ ? |
| 23:53.58 | Kaso | or here: if you want sub titles = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRRi-13KXes |
| 23:54.21 | Shirik | what does this have to do with wow o.o |
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| 23:54.55 | WobWork | Kirkburn: in what way? |
| 23:54.55 | WobWork | He's asking if nameplates can be extended to 'visible' range |
| 23:54.55 | WobWork | rather than just close up |
| 23:54.55 | WobWork | Well boten anna doesn't |
| 23:54.55 | WobWork | but DOTA does |
| 23:55.32 | Shirik | yeah our bot is hardcore like that |
| 23:55.36 | Shirik | I might have to name it Anna |
| 23:55.38 | Kirkburn | WobWork, ah, I was reading it differently |
| 23:55.53 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it makes sense (and would be cool) |
| 23:55.55 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAmddu8mCPE |
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| 23:57.04 | WobWork | could be a bit crowded |
| 23:57.10 | WobWork | but useful |
| 23:57.20 | WobWork | It'd be great for pvp healing |
| 23:57.39 | Kaso | i love that lan in the dota video |
| 23:57.48 | WobWork | I found myself throwing up friendly nameplates when I was running through the elite redridge quests |
| 23:57.56 | Kaso | oh sure, every lan i've been to has had 2x as many girls just laying around |
| 23:58.11 | dylanm | What's the word on the Armory? |
| 23:59.12 | WobWork | They look SO BORED =P |
| 23:59.12 | WobWork | dylanm: They fixed it up? |
| 23:59.40 | dylanm | Hm better flush the DNS stuff. |
| 23:59.51 | Shirik | Hey batrick, ping? |
