| 00:00.35 | batrick | I want one that I can connect to the internet via wifi (and not have to have a data package) and do things like ssh to my server etc. |
| 00:00.48 | batrick | and hopefully play music well enough |
| 00:01.02 | batrick | I couldn't find much information on that sadly |
| 00:01.06 | Lunessa | It's good enough for that. |
| 00:01.09 | batrick | it'd be nice if it plays nice with linux too |
| 00:01.15 | Lunessa | It is linux |
| 00:01.30 | batrick | ya you can see i haven't done that much research yet heh |
| 00:01.54 | Lopeppeppy | I stepped on the ex's work blackberry, hurt it badly. How sad. |
| 00:01.59 | Lunessa | I wouldn't want to type any commands via the keypad though. |
| 00:02.11 | Lunessa | Heh. Good f or you peppy. |
| 00:02.46 | batrick | just do some irc trolling when i'm bored in class |
| 00:02.58 | batrick | laptop is overkill for that |
| 00:03.01 | Lunessa | batrick: The battery life isn't the best with bluetooth on. But... if you're near a machine, it's all good. Full charge via USB cable in about an hour. |
| 00:03.24 | batrick | problem with blackberry pearl is no wifi right? |
| 00:03.30 | batrick | think that's why I didn't like it :( |
| 00:07.24 | Shirik | !ap 1628 |
| 00:07.24 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1628 is, 2v2: 382, 3v3: 442, 5v5: 503 |
| 00:09.04 | Lunessa | Meh... Bluetooth works for most of what I need. |
| 00:14.15 | batrick | Shirik: filum.create() has memory limits now |
| 00:14.18 | batrick | i'm a beast |
| 00:14.34 | Shirik | mine already had memory limits |
| 00:14.38 | Shirik | you weren't allowed to use more than 1 byte |
| 00:15.10 | batrick | huh? |
| 00:15.59 | Shirik | if you tried to allocate more than 1 byte |
| 00:16.03 | Shirik | filumlunaris shut down |
| 00:16.09 | Shirik | with the error "%1 is not a valid Win32 application" |
| 00:17.42 | batrick | terrible joke. |
| 00:17.48 | batrick | ~kill shirik |
| 00:17.49 | purl | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged pseudomeson gun at shirik |
| 00:17.57 | Shirik | ~whaleparry batrick |
| 00:17.57 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry batrick's attacks. |
| 00:18.06 | batrick | sif |
| 00:21.55 | batrick | i gotta humanize my error messages |
| 00:22.03 | batrick | certain people may be offended |
| 00:23.01 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:23.07 | Shirik | just a bit |
| 00:25.37 | Esamynn|Work | batrick: pfft, so what if they get offended? :P |
| 00:26.02 | NightHawkAtWork | Snrk.. "You don't wait for a girl to verbally tell you she likes you. It's the sparkle in her eyes, her posture, the way she grabs your head and shoves your face into her boobs." |
| 00:26.20 | NightHawkAtWork | (link.. http://www.cracked.com/article_15231_7-reasons-21st-century-making-you-miserable.html ) |
| 00:26.27 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 00:26.35 | Esamynn|Work | later folks |
| 00:36.46 | Cide | from that link |
| 00:37.14 | Cide | "apparently" ~40% of what you say online is misunderstood |
| 00:37.18 | Cide | so I just want to make it clear |
| 00:37.23 | Lopeppeppy | You think? *laugh* |
| 00:37.25 | Cide | I'm a huge fucking asshole |
| 00:37.32 | Cide | don't believe anything else! |
| 00:38.47 | Lopeppeppy | I forgive you anyway. |
| 00:38.53 | Cide | bah :/ |
| 00:39.09 | Lopeppeppy | Chicks ruin all the fun |
| 00:40.13 | Cide | you said it, not me! |
| 00:40.23 | Kaso | Cide, i recon that figure would be much lower for people who are internet pro |
| 00:40.24 | NightHawkAtWork | Lopeppeppy: i'm so quoting you on that |
| 00:40.38 | Cide | Kaso: uh huh. |
| 00:40.50 | Cide | ^ deliberately ambiguous |
| 00:40.54 | Lopeppeppy | Go ahead, NightHawk. |
| 00:40.59 | Kaso | U R FUNNAH |
| 00:41.07 | Cide | I KNOW |
| 00:41.27 | Fisker- | i'm dying |
| 00:41.28 | Fisker- | halp |
| 00:41.37 | Cide | die faster, we don't like you |
| 00:41.42 | Fisker- | :< |
| 00:41.45 | Fisker- | that wasn't halp |
| 00:42.35 | Cide | nope |
| 00:43.57 | Lunessa | Thanks for linking that article. It's really worth reading. |
| 00:44.23 | Kaso | that seems a rather arbitary last move. |
| 00:44.29 | Lunessa | "There's one advantage to having mostly online friends, and it's one that nobody ever talks about: They demand less from you. " |
| 00:45.06 | Fisker- | definitely Kaso |
| 00:45.19 | Cide | Kaso: if it's any consolation, I'd take you with me too if I were to die right now |
| 00:45.39 | Fisker- | Going to try and get some sleep :< |
| 00:45.40 | Lunessa | "If I think Todd over here is worthless for sitting in his room all day, drinking Pabst and playing video games one-handed because he's masturbating with the other one, what will I think of myself if I do the same thing?" |
| 00:45.42 | Kaso | Im not sure that is Cide |
| 00:45.48 | Cide | why not? |
| 00:46.15 | Kaso | Knowing two people would want me dead is not better than knowing one |
| 00:46.39 | Cide | I'll take Shirik down too |
| 00:46.43 | Cide | for the hell of it |
| 00:47.24 | NightHawkAtWork | Cide: given that you're an asshole, I think, given the opportunity, you'd take a lot more than just Kaso and Shirik down with you. :P |
| 00:47.37 | Cide | I'm not really an asshole though |
| 00:47.41 | Cide | I just like pretending to be one |
| 00:47.58 | Lunessa | Cide? An asshole? Really? Man, who is selling that line of bullshit? |
| 00:48.24 | Cide | I know |
| 00:48.26 | Kaso | Also about the article, the 93% non-verbal communication figure is utter bullshit |
| 00:48.38 | Kaso | well imo at least |
| 00:48.40 | Cide | I dunno |
| 00:48.48 | Lunessa | We're talking about the guy who beat his head against the wall for months to bring us the first usable set of raid frames? Him, and asshole? Give me more assjoles like that!! |
| 00:48.48 | Cide | it's probably a lot more than one would think |
| 00:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | I'm also sweet and innocent. |
| 00:49.02 | Cide | I mean, of course, you can't say much by not opening your mouth at all |
| 00:49.02 | NightHawkAtWork | I hope you guys at the least glanced at the site its on and arn't taking it TOO seriously |
| 00:49.14 | Cide | NightHawkAtWork: nah |
| 00:49.29 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Sweet I might buy. Innocent? Well... birth certificate is proof of guilt. :P |
| 00:49.32 | NightHawkAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.41 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure. |
| 00:52.37 | Lopeppeppy | Internal use only |
| 00:53.55 | Lunessa | You mean I can't use saved kiss for external application? |
| 00:55.40 | WobWork | Contents may settle during transport. |
| 00:56.38 | batrick | I used a goto and i'm still alive |
| 00:56.55 | batrick | where r da raptors |
| 00:57.31 | Lopeppeppy | No, Lunessa... just so no, or I wouldn't be innocent. |
| 00:58.27 | Lunessa | Bah... we don't wants innocent... we wants experienced and kinky. I mean we're all geeks in here. |
| 00:58.34 | kd3 | lmfao |
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| 01:01.56 | Lopeppeppy | Then you don't want me, I'm innocent and sweet. |
| 01:02.15 | Lopeppeppy | And just died to a Lurker spout while in the water. *sigh* |
| 01:02.24 | NightHawkAtWork | i fail to see what's wrong with innocent and sweet. |
| 01:02.36 | Lopeppeppy | It can be useful sometimes. |
| 01:02.45 | NightHawkAtWork | also, at least you didn't die to a lurker spout because you had water walking on and couldn't figure out why you couldn't get in the water. |
| 01:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. I was totally in the water. suckage |
| 01:04.20 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes Lurker just does that. PITA |
| 01:04.21 | Lunessa | I have never done that. But then, I've never seen any T5 content. |
| 01:04.46 | foxlit | I died to lurker once... to running out of breath :( |
| 01:04.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oops |
| 01:04.58 | foxlit | I blame Quartz |
| 01:05.00 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: thats about on par with me, i think. :P |
| 01:05.17 | foxlit | It moved my default Breath bar to where no one looks at it :) |
| 01:05.20 | Lopeppeppy | Warlock buff for the win? |
| 01:05.48 | foxlit | Runs out, generally |
| 01:06.51 | NightHawkAtWork | on lurker? |
| 01:06.57 | NightHawkAtWork | your lurker kills take 10 minutes? |
| 01:07.11 | foxlit | Around 6, generally |
| 01:07.23 | Shirik | mine took 10 minutes :( |
| 01:07.25 | foxlit | The other four are spent buffing and fishing |
| 01:07.27 | Shirik | but that was a long time ago |
| 01:07.33 | Shirik | it's been a long time since we did lurker |
| 01:07.43 | foxlit | If not for attunements :P |
| 01:09.14 | foxlit | http://www.spirit-dreams.org/box/CFT.mov |
| 01:11.10 | wereHamster | foxlit, what's the little circle in the center? |
| 01:11.26 | foxlit | My shameless ripoff of the crysis control scheme |
| 01:11.57 | wereHamster | it looks nice, is it available somewhere? |
| 01:12.24 | foxlit | Not yet; it's actually a bit messy |
| 01:13.20 | Lunessa | ... arrow position = secureaction button? |
| 01:13.48 | foxlit | SetTexCoord magic, mainly |
| 01:13.57 | foxlit | The whole screen is basically a pie button |
| 01:14.25 | foxlit | Dims a bit when binding is triggered, but I'm not sure that shows in the video |
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| 01:17.20 | Lunessa | You've covered the whole screen with a button. Egads man! |
| 01:17.27 | Lopeppeppy | ZOMG |
| 01:17.51 | foxlit | "It gets worse" |
| 01:18.07 | foxlit | But anyhow, that rule about never revealing how magic works is pretty much broken :( |
| 01:23.30 | Lunessa | It looks cool, I just don't know that it would be for me. |
| 01:23.43 | Lunessa | http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/P/PHARMAWATER_I?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-03-10-09-17-35 |
| 01:24.42 | Shirik | Firefox currently has allocated 650MB of memory, which translates into a virtual size of 1.041GB |
| 01:24.47 | Shirik | that's rather impressive |
| 01:25.04 | Shirik | It also has 955 handles open |
| 01:25.17 | wereHamster | I never had memory problems with FF, even when I had it open for several weeks |
| 01:25.34 | Shirik | lol... |
| 01:25.38 | Shirik | and 7 hours of kernel time |
| 01:26.05 | kergoth | my firefox always ends up at like 450 megs and 50% of my cpu after a couple weeks |
| 01:26.19 | wereHamster | 14hours here, and it's been running for 10 hours :) |
| 01:26.22 | kd3 | har... firefox is using 21.1% of my 4 gigs of ram at present |
| 01:26.27 | wereHamster | 14 hours kernel time |
| 01:26.35 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:26.37 | Shirik | how did you manage that |
| 01:26.43 | wereHamster | dual core |
| 01:26.46 | Shirik | haha |
| 01:27.40 | Shirik | I think I've isolated a memory leak though |
| 01:27.45 | Shirik | but I don't think it's in Firefox |
| 01:27.50 | Shirik | I think it's in Macromedia's plugin |
| 01:40.05 | AnduinLothar | anyone know how to set up a computer or emulator to run something at a set Ghz? |
| 01:40.20 | |pez| | .. wow http://www.intternetti.net/~jiri/motivation/elephants.jpg |
| 01:40.28 | AnduinLothar | I need to test something at 1Ghz but i have quad 2.6's |
| 01:40.53 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: I can set my M68HCS12 to run at 1GHz |
| 01:41.00 | Shirik | but a microprocessor I have no idea >< |
| 01:41.25 | kd3 | pez; ahahaha |
| 01:41.31 | wereHamster | doesn't windows have a 'frequency driver'? |
| 01:41.50 | wereHamster | I mean, to set the CPU to run at a given frequency |
| 01:41.57 | kd3 | yeah, but it's bound by what the processor can do... my quad-core 2.4GHz can only scale down to 1600 |
| 01:42.10 | wereHamster | oh, true.. |
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| 01:42.24 | AnduinLothar | well that would be better than nothing |
| 01:42.39 | AnduinLothar | can i do it from vista? |
| 01:42.55 | kd3 | probably. I'd look in the power saving settings, wherever the hell that is |
| 01:42.56 | wereHamster | I can scale my 2.2 to 1.0, but I'm running linux and I want to go te bed.. sorry |
| 01:44.14 | AnduinLothar | i found a patent for "Emulation of slower speed processor" |
| 01:44.40 | kd3 | software patents need to die. yesterday |
| 01:48.01 | AnduinLothar | i found a java x86 emulator |
| 01:48.16 | kd3 | so it's emulating a 386, I take it? |
| 01:48.26 | AnduinLothar | http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/ |
| 01:48.41 | AnduinLothar | they have it runnign a stripped down linux in one demo |
| 01:49.18 | AnduinLothar | "At the current time, JPC is running around 20% of the processor's native speed" |
| 01:49.33 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: Java will do that by itself |
| 01:49.36 | kd3 | thought so |
| 01:55.38 | AnduinLothar | :) one of the examples is "JPC running Commander Keen 1 on a Mac" i loved keen! |
| 01:56.48 | Guillotine | Anduin: On my laptop at least, I can simulate a slower processor via the power options |
| 01:56.57 | Guillotine | with vista |
| 01:57.08 | AnduinLothar | good to know, I'll check that out. |
| 01:57.48 | AnduinLothar | in AI class we're having an Othello tourney, and for some reason the test machine is 1.1ghz |
| 01:58.13 | AnduinLothar | so I need to test how many plies I can reasonably do in that time limit |
| 01:58.50 | AnduinLothar | although I'm thinking of using a scaling algorithm so it uses more plies depending on how much time is availible |
| 01:59.21 | AnduinLothar | but that still makes my scores infinitely better on my 2.6 quad core... |
| 01:59.23 | Guillotine | I really need to take an AI class. Sounds awesome |
| 02:03.45 | Shirik | I'm helping teach an AI class |
| 02:03.47 | Shirik | it's fun |
| 02:04.05 | Lopeppeppy | .... you guys are so weird. |
| 02:04.20 | Guillotine | You're here too! |
| 02:05.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, I must like it that way. :P |
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| 02:10.26 | batrick | hey shirik |
| 02:10.32 | batrick | go look at the last function in lthread.c |
| 02:10.49 | batrick | it will thrill u |
| 02:10.57 | Shirik | what did you do |
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| 02:11.15 | Corrodias | my pants are tightening as i think about the possibilities of lthread.c |
| 02:11.42 | batrick | probably the porno on your other screen Corrodias |
| 02:11.59 | Lunessa | omg code porn. HAWT |
| 02:12.40 | Corrodias | did somebody say CP?? |
| 02:12.46 | Corrodias | hide the stash! |
| 02:13.07 | Lunessa | Careful, you don't want to overrun your buffers! |
| 02:13.25 | Corrodias | believe me, my buffer is very practiced |
| 02:13.27 | batrick | damn |
| 02:13.31 | batrick | n3rds |
| 02:14.23 | Lopeppeppy | ... buffer. Is that what we call it these days |
| 02:14.30 | kd3 | lol |
| 02:20.22 | WobWork | Cream? |
| 02:20.29 | WobWork | When Doves Cry? |
| 02:20.35 | Lopeppeppy | Purple Rain |
| 02:20.42 | WobWork | Chocolate Rain? =) |
| 02:21.13 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 02:22.10 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA |
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| 02:34.45 | Keias | Rofl, did you just say an innocent Prince song? |
| 02:35.05 | Keias | Should hum Little Red Corvette imo |
| 02:35.55 | Kaso | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2795154 |
| 02:35.59 | Kaso | Magic Credit card! |
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| 02:43.12 | Shirik | you know WobWork |
| 02:43.15 | Shirik | for a kid, he has a really good voice |
| 02:43.56 | batrick | apparently shirik wasn't impressed :( |
| 02:44.01 | Shirik | with? |
| 02:44.06 | Kaso | He scares me |
| 02:44.16 | Kaso | He doesnt just sing like that, he talks like that too |
| 02:44.25 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 02:44.58 | Kaso | He's on lilly allen's show on bbc three abit, for the english |
| 02:45.33 | Kaso | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRZrAPbGGRU him talking a bit |
| 02:46.00 | Shirik | his.... melody could use a little work |
| 02:46.11 | Shirik | 4 mniutes of the same 16 bars is not good |
| 02:46.26 | Shirik | which is really just the same 8 bars with a minor variation on the 9th |
| 02:47.22 | Shirik | Merged: C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\filum\filum\src\lthread.h |
| 02:47.24 | Shirik | This should be fun |
| 02:48.19 | Shirik | batrick: What am I looking at? |
| 02:48.41 | Shirik | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 02:48.44 | Shirik | nonononononononononono |
| 02:48.45 | Kaso | lol at the netbeans 6.0 users suvey, for "performance" : Startup needs to be faster, NetBeans runs out of memory on my machine, Editor responsiveness needs to improve, General responsiveness needs to improve .. Where's the "All of above" option |
| 02:48.46 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 02:48.48 | Shirik | no way |
| 02:48.50 | batrick | yes |
| 02:48.51 | batrick | YES |
| 02:49.10 | Shirik | you have got to be kidding |
| 02:49.13 | batrick | nope |
| 02:49.15 | Shirik | and you were complaining about my MACROS?! |
| 02:49.34 | batrick | you're macros were ugly! |
| 02:49.37 | batrick | your even |
| 02:49.58 | Shirik | oh but there's nothing ugly about goto |
| 02:49.59 | Shirik | nope |
| 02:50.15 | batrick | goto's are fucking wonderful |
| 02:50.47 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:50.50 | Shirik | for the obfuscated C contest |
| 02:51.09 | batrick | they still have those? |
| 02:51.15 | Shirik | yes >< |
| 02:51.30 | AnduinLothar | so.... this othello scheme is pretty great. It estimates the time left in a game and increases the search tree depth if it thinks there's enough time. |
| 02:51.57 | Kaso | pssh, need comefroms, gotos are too simple to follow |
| 02:52.02 | AnduinLothar | granted all the AI's I've played against are 'stupid'. But it's stut them all out |
| 02:52.10 | AnduinLothar | shuts* |
| 02:52.16 | AnduinLothar | they get 0 points |
| 02:52.32 | batrick | what kaso said haha |
| 02:53.08 | Shirik | Though I have to admit |
| 02:53.19 | Shirik | that goto is reasonable, and I do come from BASIC |
| 02:53.36 | Kaso | havent you learnt anything from xkcd, gotos == raptor pain death |
| 02:55.03 | Guillotine | he speaks the truth |
| 02:55.33 | AnduinLothar | oh no! one ai got 3 points! |
| 02:55.37 | AnduinLothar | vs my 61 |
| 02:55.47 | AnduinLothar | that is unacceptable, i must make it 0 |
| 02:55.51 | Shirik | But I do have to admit, I read something by Linus Torvalds recently on the use of goto |
| 02:55.54 | Shirik | and he makes a valid point |
| 02:56.06 | Shirik | every if, while, for, they're all gotos in the end |
| 02:56.18 | AnduinLothar | mutiple goto's usually |
| 02:56.35 | Shirik | at least one |
| 02:57.23 | Shirik | and I will argue that a goto here is easier to read than its equivalent while loop |
| 02:57.27 | Shirik | HOWEVER |
| 02:57.33 | Shirik | I'm going to have to figure out how to make that work for Windows |
| 02:57.51 | Shirik | because destruction of a mutex while it's in use is legal in Windows, but also can leave the Kernel in an inconsistent state |
| 02:57.52 | Iriel | The point about 'goto' is that in its naked form, it's not checked and violates flow |
| 02:58.19 | Iriel | It's not the act of transferring control that is evil, it's the way it doesn't respect scope or other flow structures |
| 02:58.38 | Shirik | I'm kinda curious |
| 02:58.44 | Shirik | is it legal to goto another function? |
| 02:58.53 | Shirik | and if so, wouldn't that corrupt the stack unless you REALLY knew what you were doing? |
| 03:00.33 | Shirik | oh Iriel I have a quick question for you. I'm using JNI to provide access to a few things Java doesn't have access to. One of the things I need to store away in the class is a FILE*, except Java doesn't have any concept of pointers |
| 03:01.31 | Iriel | Shirik: http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t139590-jni-and-storing-c-pointers-in-the-java-class-variables.html |
| 03:01.50 | Iriel | actually, I'm not sure that's useful. |
| 03:03.08 | Iriel | You may need more than one long |
| 03:03.08 | Iriel | But basically a cast is your asnswer |
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| 03:03.52 | Iriel | You may need more than one long, depending on the address space of your environment, but basically a cast is your answer. |
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| 03:08.31 | Shirik | stupid netsplit |
| 03:08.42 | Shirik | Iriel probably had my answer to and I never got it :< |
| 03:09.05 | Olison | Shadowed: i'm getting three errors when logging in, from Affliction: http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj188/onoodle/AfflictionErr1/ - do you know what's wrong there? |
| 03:09.07 | Olison | live client |
| 03:09.08 | Iriel | Shirik: Basically cast your pointer into one or more longs (depending onyour address space) |
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| 03:09.15 | Olison | latest svn |
| 03:09.16 | Shadowed | Go postit in comments |
| 03:09.17 | Shadowed | busy atm |
| 03:09.21 | Shirik | ok so that is the best solution? |
| 03:09.27 | Shirik | that's what I did it just seemed... ugly >< |
| 03:09.30 | Iriel | Seems to be the only one I can find. |
| 03:09.43 | Olison | Will do |
| 03:09.47 | Olison | Wowi fine? |
| 03:09.47 | Shadowed | And if you're using latest trunk, you fail and need to read the SVN log. |
| 03:09.59 | Olison | svn log, wuts dat? :< |
| 03:10.49 | Shirik | thanks Iriel :) |
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| 03:15.26 | Olison | Ohh ok |
| 03:15.33 | Olison | co r560 then |
| 03:21.39 | Lopeppeppy | Any day, lady, any day. |
| 03:21.49 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:27.32 | ScytheBlade1 | And now for the task, of converting 35000 xml files into lua tables |
| 03:27.35 | ScytheBlade1 | This could be fun! |
| 03:28.54 | Shirik | use SAX |
| 03:28.57 | Shirik | :P |
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| 03:29.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd require java knowledge |
| 03:31.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Besides |
| 03:31.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.domxml-open-file.php |
| 03:34.02 | art3mis | okay where are the hardware nerds |
| 03:34.13 | art3mis | ive got a dilema that i want some verification on. |
| 03:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 03:35.16 | art3mis | my landlords pc about 6 months ago started locking up randomly... so he finally asked me a few weeks ago... we replaced the video card as it was dying(multiple coloured pixels on the screen(off coloured like full black screen with red pixels that sorta thing) |
| 03:35.41 | art3mis | since it was a consistent thing during adobe photoshop and lightroom useage we opted to just wipe it and clean install |
| 03:35.56 | Iriel | I just started using Lightroom |
| 03:36.27 | Iriel | Partly because Aperture betrayed me, and partly because they use Lua in it |
| 03:36.45 | art3mis | so brand new card and fresh install it kept doing it.. i've replaced the mem with M memory that i know is 100% and now when his machine reboots it black screens like the video card is actting dorking, last time it did that he waited a bit and it came on but it's still doing random hardlocks and freezing and blue screens |
| 03:37.06 | Iriel | BIOS settings set correctly? |
| 03:37.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, the good news is, you're down to two things that could be wrong! (hardware wise) |
| 03:37.14 | Iriel | No wacky overclocking options enabled? |
| 03:37.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The bad news, is that those would be the mobo and CPU |
| 03:37.28 | art3mis | the pc was a custom OC job from a reputable place |
| 03:37.35 | art3mis | overcloerz.com or whatever that place it |
| 03:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Kill the OC |
| 03:37.41 | Iriel | OC == t3h suck, no matter what you think. |
| 03:37.44 | art3mis | nods scythe thats what im thinking |
| 03:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:37 <@Iriel> OC == t3h suck, no matter what you think. |
| 03:37.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ qft |
| 03:37.56 | art3mis | i dont use em, he's convinced they're awesome |
| 03:38.10 | art3mis | so yeah im assuming its a mobo/cpu issue |
| 03:38.25 | Iriel | I suspect if you drop the timings and stuff back to their normal levels, it'll behave much better |
| 03:38.33 | art3mis | wonder if the new "microscope from micro2k will show the faults |
| 03:38.50 | art3mis | possible, but i and he is getting sick of bandaids |
| 03:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It's arguably very likely |
| 03:39.13 | art3mis | it may have stressed it so that normal settings will eventually lead to more rampant freezes and much slower performance |
| 03:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a friend who OC'd his comp years back |
| 03:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Bought a brand new 250GB drive for $400 |
| 03:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Because of the OC, his PCI channels went up in frequency, and in turn, his IDE channels did too |
| 03:39.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And he toasted his hard drive |
| 03:39.54 | art3mis | the downside is that ive only spend a few hours with it, so im gona snag it tomorrow and play with it all day and force it to die |
| 03:39.58 | ScytheBlade1 | You never know what might happen when you OC |
| 03:39.59 | Kaso | He had a crap motherboard |
| 03:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso: yeah true |
| 03:40.18 | art3mis | but its most likely settings/mobo/cpu |
| 03:40.41 | art3mis | iam kind of perplexed why the video card is blacking on reboots though |
| 03:40.43 | Kaso | i ran with 50% overclock for several years, if you know what you're doing it's perfectly managable |
| 03:40.59 | art3mis | i ran my duron 750 at 1350 for like a year |
| 03:41.00 | ScytheBlade1 | On what CPU? Base/OC'd speed? |
| 03:41.02 | art3mis | no issues |
| 03:41.24 | art3mis | then again ive also had cyrix cpus that ran nicly without burning ;P |
| 03:41.39 | Kaso | Athlon XP 2500 Mobile, i foget what base the mobiles come at exactly but i had it running 2.4ghz |
| 03:42.18 | art3mis | iriel have you had any wierd hardlocks with ps/lr ? |
| 03:42.29 | Iriel | no, but i'm also running on a mac |
| 03:42.43 | art3mis | thats one of the options |
| 03:42.45 | Iriel | LR is one of the few apps that can really give the CPU a workout tho |
| 03:42.59 | art3mis | 1. buy a new mobo/cpu/mem for about 400ish |
| 03:43.04 | art3mis | 2. buy a mac |
| 03:43.18 | art3mis | 3. wipe the drive install hackintosh and see if it causes issues |
| 03:43.49 | Iriel | This is unlikely to be a software issue, so (3) isn't going to help |
| 03:44.03 | art3mis | either way i'll get my hands on it for a full couple of days of testing so thatll be good |
| 03:44.13 | art3mis | yeah |
| 03:45.13 | art3mis | www.andygabrys.com on an urelated note friend of mine just put out his first cd |
| 03:45.22 | art3mis | its a jazzy sorta thing |
| 03:47.08 | Kaso | Arrrg, stupid code given to us by the professors, doesnt work |
| 03:47.25 | Kaso | or at least, assumes you have a case-insenstive MySQL server, which i do not |
| 03:47.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso: your professors needs less windows in their life |
| 03:48.03 | Kaso | refers to database.Building and database.building in the same code, my Linux mysql server does not like |
| 03:48.50 | Kaso | well this is what i dont understand, half our department are mac-heads, the other half obsess over sun, though i guess you cant use solaris as a desktop os. |
| 03:49.15 | Iriel | OSX unfortunately defaults to case insensitive |
| 03:54.29 | AnduinLothar | no fair... the random AI always gets more than 0 points cause my ai assumes the enemy picks their best move... |
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| 03:56.38 | batrick | so shirik |
| 03:56.43 | batrick | wasn't it beautiful? |
| 03:56.57 | break19 | Iriel: and it behaves wacky if you reformat and set it to case-sensitive filesystem.. at least that was -my- experience last time I tried it. |
| 03:57.25 | Iriel | break19: I keep a couple of volumes case sensitive, and leave the boot volume alone |
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| 03:58.54 | break19 | if I had more than 1 drive, I'd probably have case-sens volume.. but unless I chop a hole in the bottom of my ibook, I aint gonna get another drive in it :P |
| 03:59.11 | AnduinLothar | external |
| 03:59.14 | break19 | meh |
| 03:59.22 | AnduinLothar | never say never |
| 03:59.23 | break19 | too much hassle |
| 03:59.24 | art3mis | casemod~! |
| 03:59.31 | art3mis | you know you wanna |
| 03:59.41 | break19 | art3mis: aint no case.. its a laptop :P |
| 04:00.11 | break19 | and it wont exactly be 'lap-friendly' anymore :P |
| 04:00.45 | art3mis | http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=134321 |
| 04:00.47 | art3mis | make that |
| 04:00.52 | art3mis | you know you wanna ;) |
| 04:01.16 | break19 | but back in my wild and wooley PC days, I had a wacky lookin box I kept my slackrouter in :) |
| 04:02.45 | Shirik | batrick, sure |
| 04:02.56 | Shirik | I'll be sure to make your eyes bleed even more later |
| 04:03.08 | Shirik | Perhaps I can work in an int***** somewhere |
| 04:03.19 | break19 | I had a small balloon in a sling over the cpu fan.. when it was blowing, the balloon kinda hovered there.. had blacklights inside the box, recessed up so you only saw the glow of it.. :) |
| 04:03.40 | break19 | like I said.. wacky |
| 04:03.41 | break19 | lol |
| 04:03.47 | art3mis | http://omgwtf.superlime.com/casemod/caffeine_machine_1.jpg |
| 04:04.28 | art3mis | http://omgwtf.superlime.com/casemod/SBA_HellraiserCube.jpg |
| 04:06.09 | break19 | since I used a cpu throttle daemon, also had a fan daemon.. the fans inside all would shut off if the temp was known and below 130F for the CPU.. had ribbons stickin out the side, attacked to a case fan.. the ribbons would flow when the fans went on... rofl |
| 04:07.01 | break19 | the fan was mounted to the outside of the box.. made up to look like a wall-mounted air conditioner... I was bored. :) |
| 04:07.29 | break19 | none of the stuff I had actually fit together in a theme of any kind |
| 04:07.34 | art3mis | http://www.industrialgothic.com/gbotw/2003/zelmire.jpg |
| 04:07.50 | break19 | it was completely random shit.. heh |
| 04:08.52 | break19 | wish I had a pic of it.. I -did- have pics of it at one time.. remind me to make offsite backups before the next 'cane strikes the middle gulf coast, mmkay? |
| 04:13.38 | Lopeppeppy | kk |
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| 04:28.51 | WobWork | hey break19 |
| 04:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh, this annoys me greatly |
| 04:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I could have 50mbit/50mbit for $50 a month |
| 04:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | If I lived two blocks south |
| 04:32.25 | art3mis | stop pokeing at it and it wont get worse scythe |
| 04:32.51 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 04:57.14 | break19 | WobWork: you rang? |
| 04:58.51 | Lukian | flowed well? :D |
| 05:00.03 | AnduinLothar | so... how much faster is 2.6 GHz than 1GHz.... I feel like I should know this... it's not just 2.6x faster, is it? |
| 05:00.42 | break19 | the chip itself is 2.6x faster... however, the chip is only part of the equation |
| 05:01.02 | AnduinLothar | right, ok |
| 05:01.13 | AnduinLothar | seems too easy |
| 05:01.42 | Corrodias | the clock rate is 2.6x as fast |
| 05:02.03 | Corrodias | that doesn't necessarily mean it has the same instruction set nor that the instructions execute in the same number of clock cycles |
| 05:02.36 | break19 | true.. but nothing is exact when you're talking about "speed" |
| 05:02.47 | Corrodias | from what i know, you could pump a CPU's clock up to 100 ghz but it wouldn't do any good if it meant your fastest instruction takes 98 cycles to complete |
| 05:02.57 | Corrodias | (i know very little, though) |
| 05:03.34 | break19 | if you did that Corrodias, you'd need to have the entire cpu encased in liquid nitrogen :) |
| 05:03.50 | Corrodias | well, the oscillations of a signal don't make it hot |
| 05:04.10 | break19 | no.. but the power required to REACH said oscillations will. |
| 05:04.13 | Corrodias | packing in heat-generating devices and/or increasing the voltage do |
| 05:05.07 | break19 | it takes more energy to increase the frequency, and keep the same amplitude. if you let the amplitude fall off, then the cpu fails to function. |
| 05:07.48 | break19 | not to mention that around 3gig is about as fast as we can go with silicon-based stuff, any faster and the waveform signal is so compressed its near-impossible to get any use out of it.. which is why intel is adding more cores.. cant increase the speed, so just double up on cpu's |
| 05:07.56 | Shirik | ummmm |
| 05:08.02 | Shirik | I do hope you're just not spitting out crap right now |
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| 05:08.15 | Shirik | because I'm aware of transistors capable of handling 100GHz |
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| 05:08.32 | Shirik | naturally they can't be put in a network as elaborate as a CPU, but they exist nonetheless |
| 05:08.54 | break19 | Shirik: yes.. transistors, but not IC circuits... and thank you for making my point with the second statement :) |
| 05:09.02 | Shirik | IC circuits are made out of? |
| 05:09.19 | kd3 | "IC circuits"... "ATM machines"... |
| 05:09.22 | Shirik | I strongly disagree with your 3GHz limit |
| 05:10.08 | Shirik | I am currently working with an Op Amp IC which has a 10GHz bandwidth |
| 05:10.11 | Shirik | and it cost me about 20 cents |
| 05:10.12 | kd3 | gah, reading raw manga is hard. wtb aria scanslation project coming back from the grave |
| 05:11.09 | break19 | Shirik: fact is, currently technologies are limiting us to ~3Gig cpu clock speed.. it is because of limitations in silicon-based die.. intel is circumventing the problem by using multiple cores... other options exist, such as bio-transistors etc |
| 05:11.22 | Shirik | you do realize you're talking to a computer engineer, right? |
| 05:11.58 | Shirik | there are TONS of patents out there right now for high frequency switching transistors capable of breaking that limit you claim exists |
| 05:12.33 | break19 | Shirik: you arent getting my point.. you said it just a second ago. " naturally they can't be put in a network as elaborate as a CPU," |
| 05:12.52 | Shirik | The one I'm reading at this very instant claims to be workable for chips as large as 1 trillion transistors per chip |
| 05:13.13 | Shirik | "terascale integration" as they are calling it |
| 05:13.16 | break19 | are they silicon-based? |
| 05:13.53 | Shirik | mosfets |
| 05:15.07 | Shirik | it doesn't specify the material but it doesn't claim anything out of the ordinary, and given that there has been no relevant progress in building MOSFETs other than silicon, one would assume it is indeed silicon-based |
| 05:15.12 | break19 | hmm.. interesting.. I still say biotransistors hold more potential for the future |
| 05:16.49 | Shirik | actually this seems to be a really interesting article |
| 05:16.53 | Shirik | I'll have to read this when I have time |
| 05:17.21 | break19 | linkme |
| 05:17.27 | Shirik | Are you an IEEE member? |
| 05:17.36 | break19 | no. |
| 05:17.43 | Shirik | then you won't be able to get it :/ |
| 05:18.06 | Shirik | when I download the full thing I'll see if I can find a way to get it to you |
| 05:19.08 | break19 | Shirik: from googling.. it appears to be using nanotechnology. |
| 05:19.23 | Shirik | I can't figure out that much just from the abstract |
| 05:19.29 | Shirik | so I wouldn't know |
| 05:20.03 | break19 | i googled mosfet terascale and got quite a few articles. |
| 05:23.56 | break19 | yea, the few articles I've checked out, that are relevant, seem to lean towards nanotech, but they're all a year or more old now.... |
| 05:24.55 | break19 | and I figured we'd go thru biotech devices -before- we managed to get to nanotech stuff.. but maybe I got that backwards... or we wont ever do biotech electronics... |
| 05:26.15 | Shirik | well in any case |
| 05:26.21 | Shirik | CPU speed is not what we should be focusing on right now |
| 05:26.43 | Shirik | our real limit is memory bandwidth, specifically channels such as the main busses |
| 05:26.53 | Shirik | those need to go optical before we can get much further |
| 05:27.00 | break19 | of course not.. instructions/second and yea.. bandwidth.. |
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| 05:27.24 | Shirik | but there has been a lot of development in fiberoptic IDE cables and such |
| 05:27.50 | break19 | not just the busses.. the actual IO stuff needs to be improved as well |
| 05:28.24 | Shirik | well hopefully we'll be using solid state drives in the near future |
| 05:28.32 | Shirik | which also has had a lot of advancements |
| 05:29.01 | break19 | near future my ass... |
| 05:29.06 | break19 | SSD drives are here |
| 05:29.19 | Shirik | yeah they're just too expensive for personal use |
| 05:29.42 | break19 | apple's macbookair has a 64G SSD upgrade.. :) |
| 05:29.50 | Shirik | how much |
| 05:29.55 | ScytheBlade1 | For $1k |
| 05:29.58 | Shirik | ha |
| 05:30.02 | Shirik | like I said >.> |
| 05:30.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You go from 250GB to 64GB |
| 05:30.08 | ScytheBlade1 | For $1k more |
| 05:30.15 | break19 | heh |
| 05:31.18 | Shirik | I wonder if they've had anyone take that deal |
| 05:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sure they have |
| 05:31.28 | Shirik | surely some rich guy said "oooh look solid state" and took it |
| 05:31.34 | ScytheBlade1 | SSD can be invaluable |
| 05:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Although in a macbook air I wonder what eviroment would justify that :P |
| 05:32.22 | Shirik | of course what am I talking about |
| 05:32.27 | Shirik | my robot has 3 solid state drives on it |
| 05:32.40 | break19 | but, imo, there's a major flaw in the design.... limited-writes.. in HD-intensive applications, even considering the MUCH higher access speeds, you'd be better off with a platter-style HD |
| 05:32.41 | Shirik | 1x 1GB and 2x 14KB |
| 05:33.10 | MentalPower|Zzzz | break19: that is a non issue |
| 05:33.57 | Shirik | ah no |
| 05:34.00 | Shirik | they fixed that a long time ago |
| 05:34.11 | Shirik | write distribution has long since made that an issue of the past |
| 05:34.13 | break19 | oh? then wikipedia needs to be updated :) |
| 05:34.58 | break19 | mmmm.. bitmicro has a standard-size SSD HD ... 1.6TB wonder how much |
| 05:35.14 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot :P |
| 05:35.17 | Shirik | even on a completely full drive where only one byte is being flipped back and forth constantly, the controllers these days are designed so that it will still manage to distribute across the drive (though this requires twice the amount of write time and is only done in extreme cases) |
| 05:35.20 | ScytheBlade1 | You can get some SSDs on newegg |
| 05:35.29 | ScytheBlade1 | standard ATA or SATA interfaces |
| 05:35.50 | Shirik | hell I think QNX has documentation on that |
| 05:35.53 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2003240636+1421530856&name=SATA |
| 05:37.01 | kd3 | jesus... I'm reminded of archaic hdd ads... 64MB, $1,249! |
| 05:37.13 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, yeah |
| 05:37.48 | Shirik | kd3: I remember my grandfather was so excited when he told me his new computer had a GIGABYTE of space |
| 05:37.51 | Shirik | and I was like "wtf is that" |
| 05:38.00 | Shirik | "You'll never use it" |
| 05:38.42 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:38.48 | kd3 | ah, how times have changed |
| 05:39.02 | break19 | heh. my first PC had 8M ram, 1M video, 250M HD.. and 3.5" floppy, 5.25" floppy, and a 1x CDROM |
| 05:39.15 | Shirik | mine didn't have a CD Rom |
| 05:39.21 | Shirik | but I remember when our school got some with CD Roms |
| 05:39.24 | Shirik | and you had to put the CD in a case |
| 05:39.28 | Shirik | and load the little case into it |
| 05:39.38 | break19 | ours didnt need a caddy :) |
| 05:39.45 | kd3 | hell, we only got a CD rom as part of the cheapass multimedia kit with a soundcard to play myst |
| 05:40.02 | Shirik | oh myst! |
| 05:40.03 | kd3 | and wow. caddy-based CD trays. old, old school computers, those were |
| 05:40.05 | Shirik | I wanted to play that so bad |
| 05:40.15 | Shirik | kd3: apple IIe? |
| 05:40.20 | kd3 | neg, 486 |
| 05:40.21 | break19 | when we got ours, all the "brand name" computers were still without CDROMs and 4M ram.. |
| 05:40.26 | Shirik | ah boo |
| 05:40.32 | Shirik | I used to always play this game |
| 05:40.39 | Shirik | number munchers! |
| 05:40.40 | Shirik | that's it! |
| 05:40.54 | break19 | my first non-pc however, C64 :) |
| 05:41.18 | break19 | we had it for like 15years.. until we got the PC in 1991 |
| 05:41.20 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_Munchers |
| 05:41.21 | Shirik | whee |
| 05:42.11 | break19 | 15 yrs.. looking back I can't see how we could -stand- to have a system that dated.. 15 yrs!?@ geez |
| 05:43.04 | break19 | oh hell.. I just noticed its nearly 1am here.. night all |
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| 05:51.04 | AnduinLothar | 15 years eh. well if we use moore's law backwards.... and we have 4GHz dual core machines today... |
| 05:52.50 | AnduinLothar | that would mean 30Mhz machines in 1990 |
| 05:53.35 | AnduinLothar | and 0.9MHz machines 15 yrs before that? |
| 05:56.04 | Shirik | is that so far off? |
| 05:56.24 | AnduinLothar | not too far I don't think |
| 05:57.02 | AnduinLothar | my first internet machine was 25mhz |
| 05:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember upgrading from a 14.4 to a 56.6 (that connected at 36.6, yay for crappy wiring) |
| 05:57.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I was shocked at how fast it was |
| 05:57.58 | AnduinLothar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadra_605 |
| 05:58.09 | AnduinLothar | 1993 |
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| 06:11.59 | Thrae | Damn my connection is crappy. |
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| 06:14.55 | eddiedrizzt | does anyone know how to copy addon settings from one account to another on the same computer |
| 06:15.26 | Thrae | eddiedrizzt: Copy your WTF folder. |
| 06:15.39 | eddiedrizzt | ok |
| 06:16.17 | Thrae | eddiedrizzt: This will overwrite your Config.WTF, which contains your video settings, etc. If you don't want that to happen, go into the WTF folder and copy everything -but- Config.WTF. |
| 06:17.39 | Corrodias | if you just want addon settings, the savedvariables and character-related folders are plenty |
| 06:17.54 | Corrodias | well, addon and character-specific settings, including macros |
| 06:22.34 | eddiedrizzt | so if i wanted to copy the settings for fu-bar and associated plugins from acount1 to account2 what files would i copy |
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| 06:37.16 | Corrodias | JUST those... |
| 06:38.11 | Corrodias | fubar.lua and all _fu.lua files from the savedvariables folder, and also files that match those names from the savedvariables folders inside each character's individual folder |
| 06:38.56 | Corrodias | i frequently propogate changes across my characters, if the addon doesn't support it natively, by copying my layout-cache.txt and savedvariables files into the other folders |
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| 06:58.18 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairen1 -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.3.x ToC: 20300 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | Happy Birthday AnduinLothar! |
| 06:58.33 | Cairen1 | Happy Birthday AnduinLothar :) |
| 06:58.43 | Shirik | happy birthday! |
| 06:59.02 | Sixen | Happy Bday! |
| 06:59.11 | Corrodias | Hpy Bdy! |
| 06:59.29 | AnduinLothar | why thank you |
| 07:00.14 | Corrodias | hm, arx fatalis is quite a nice game. but i need sleep. have a nice night! |
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| 07:16.47 | Industrial | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Boulderfist&n=Oathbreaker |
| 07:16.55 | Industrial | very hard to fnid damage gear |
| 07:17.03 | Industrial | should I change to sta/int? :p |
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| 08:03.07 | Thrae | Well that was fun. I have an unknown cat sleeping on my bed. |
| 08:03.30 | Cairen1 | lol |
| 08:03.31 | Thrae | He came running in the house as I was rebooting my router. He must be attracted to rebooting routers. |
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| 08:04.34 | Thrae | I think he's less then a month old, as he's smaller then my female cat, who's about 2. He's SUPER affecionate and is very, very wary about going back outside. He's also SUPER curious about everything. He's wearing a flea collar, but no proper collar, no tags. It's wet outside, but he's dry. |
| 08:04.54 | Thrae | All this leads me to believe he's a house cat, perhaps relatively new, and got outside then got lost. |
| 08:05.33 | Cairen1 | sounds like it |
| 08:05.47 | Thrae | Considering he isn't wet, I'm guessing he lives close, perhaps only a few blocks away. Otherwise, he would have needed a break, meaning he would have gotten wet. |
| 08:06.11 | Thrae | It's 4am, can't knock on doors now. |
| 08:06.49 | Cairen1 | *nod* |
| 08:07.05 | Cairen1 | but you can make up posters to put up around the neighbourhood/drop in mailboxes |
| 08:07.09 | Thrae | I followed him for about 30 minutes trying to see if he knew his way home. He stopped at a few doors, and there was one porch (one of our next door neighbors) who he didn't really sniff very much and meow'd a few times, so that increases the possibility he's there's. |
| 08:07.21 | Thrae | Right, my grandfather is working on that now, since he has the digital camera. |
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| 08:31.44 | Fisker- | you can break into houses and put the cat there |
| 08:38.53 | batrick | this is the shitties bug ever |
| 08:39.24 | batrick | I get a segfault that definitely points its finger at Lua, but I can't reproduce it elsewhere |
| 08:40.21 | Lukian | Thrae, yeah flea collar means he's being looked after :D |
| 08:40.40 | Lukian | our cats usually lose any id tags we give them and we are too lazy to chip them |
| 08:42.17 | clad|sleep | batrick: pong |
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| 08:51.44 | batrick | WOOT |
| 08:51.45 | batrick | got it |
| 08:51.54 | batrick | sup clad |
| 08:52.01 | batrick | o right |
| 08:52.06 | clad|sleep | you pinged me |
| 08:52.06 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 08:52.12 | batrick | i wanted to know what lua memory limit you used in lua_bot |
| 08:52.16 | batrick | but it ended up not mattering |
| 08:52.23 | clad|sleep | ah okay |
| 08:52.24 | batrick | I added memory limits |
| 08:52.28 | clad|sleep | nice |
| 08:52.37 | batrick | It's pretty nice, but I just found a Lua bug as a result |
| 08:52.40 | batrick | lol |
| 08:52.46 | clad|sleep | whats the bug? |
| 08:53.01 | batrick | basically cpcall tries to free some invalid pointer or something |
| 08:53.04 | batrick | it's really wierd |
| 08:53.18 | batrick | coming up with a reproducable case was an utter bitch |
| 08:59.08 | batrick | wonder if the bug extends to pcall as well |
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| 09:00.25 | batrick | hey that might explain that luatask bug |
| 09:00.26 | batrick | lol!! |
| 09:00.36 | batrick | shirik would love that |
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| 09:21.34 | Cairen1 | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/10/funny-pictures-has-u-any-wood-to-chuck/ |
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| 09:29.45 | batrick | night |
| 09:29.48 | batrick | go to bed Cairen1 ! |
| 09:30.05 | Cairen1 | :) |
| 09:30.11 | Cairen1 | sweet dreams batrick |
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| 11:38.49 | art3mis | mr.teeth mr.teeth mr.teeth |
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| 11:53.50 | art3mis | hah escape from orgrimmar has a Brak show reference |
| 11:54.11 | art3mis | 3 hams will kill him 3 hams will kill him, why do't you feed him 3 HAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMss |
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| 12:03.23 | art3mis | okay so 2 years waiting for it and 30 seconds of funny |
| 12:03.31 | art3mis | what crap |
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| 12:19.56 | kd3 | that's pretty much the general consensus |
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| 12:34.44 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4665488769&sid=1&pageNo=9#172 ugh, blizz fails at coding, hard. |
| 12:37.46 | art3mis | and nothing from oblivious films recently |
| 12:38.01 | art3mis | the whole machima thing seems to have drawn to a rapid close ;P |
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| 12:38.54 | art3mis | how is that a fail? |
| 12:39.33 | art3mis | thier object engine obviously has a generic setting and if they change that after it's been modified on the user end it's not the same thus not part of the sweeping changes |
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| 12:40.09 | art3mis | sorta like back in the old mud days when you'd edit an area but if it had been looted already the edit didnt effect that because the item data had been stored in the player file |
| 12:44.51 | Josh_Borke | anybody ever done any stream processing with libxml2 and C? |
| 12:45.30 | art3mis | scythe and shirik possibly |
| 12:45.56 | art3mis | http://news.filefront.com/no-nintendo-nazi-game-for-america/ |
| 12:53.34 | lolinternet | [13:40] <art3mis> sorta like back in the old mud days when you'd edit an area but if it had been looted already the edit didnt effect that because the item data had been stored in the player file <--yeah. but it's 2008. not 1987. |
| 12:54.09 | lolinternet | "but it required hotfixes" |
| 12:54.23 | lolinternet | that sounds like "QQ we don't wanna have to work for it to work QQ" |
| 12:55.13 | sag_ich_nicht | and if it required a hotfix, it proves that the problem is fixable |
| 12:55.25 | sag_ich_nicht | thus: no hotfix required if you think of the problem that could arise beforehand |
| 12:55.36 | sag_ich_nicht | so: lern2code blizz |
| 12:56.39 | |pez| | there's a lot of "what if"s that would need to be thought through beforehand. |
| 12:56.54 | |pez| | before every patch |
| 12:57.00 | |pez| | before everylittle snippet of code. |
| 12:57.02 | sag_ich_nicht | and, on top of that, seriously the gem system must be coded like shit for this kind of problem to be possible to arise in the first place |
| 12:57.37 | sag_ich_nicht | which is my initial argument anyway, the fact that blizz did it in the past and is now too lazy to do it is just icing on the cake |
| 12:59.18 | |pez| | they probably have more pressing concerns. |
| 12:59.35 | sag_ich_nicht | i agree |
| 12:59.42 | |pez| | I have no idea what the problem is btw. -__-' |
| 12:59.44 | art3mis | lolin: hotfixes means that they did a fixor to catch all the ones that werent "new" and already modified and socketted |
| 13:00.33 | foxlit | Can I hide the game cursor? |
| 13:00.42 | sag_ich_nicht | but then hortus shouldn't "That is the end of discussion on this topic." |
| 13:00.52 | art3mis | yeah he should |
| 13:00.55 | sag_ich_nicht | s/shouldn't/shouldn't go/ |
| 13:00.58 | art3mis | they've stated its not gonna happen |
| 13:01.13 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah, well, i disagree with that policy. |
| 13:01.13 | art3mis | so you guys talking more about it isnt gonna solve shit |
| 13:01.28 | sag_ich_nicht | put it on low priority but don't just go "uh we're too lazy" |
| 13:02.03 | art3mis | too lazy != we're not gonna do it to eplase a bunch of whiny little fucks that play the game then tell us we dont know what we're doing or that we have 0 coding zkill |
| 13:02.28 | art3mis | he's politely telling you to fuck right off and stopping being a whiny little bastard that thinks he can do better |
| 13:02.35 | art3mis | ;) |
| 13:02.56 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm pretty sure he's not telling me that |
| 13:03.02 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't even have an US account |
| 13:03.03 | sag_ich_nicht | ;) |
| 13:03.30 | sag_ich_nicht | +you have to admit that this _has_ to be coded shittly for this to happen in the first place :P |
| 13:03.31 | art3mis | you == anyone thats complaining about it and posting claiming they're clueless and lazy ;P |
| 13:03.37 | art3mis | nope |
| 13:03.42 | art3mis | thats how muds work |
| 13:03.49 | sag_ich_nicht | WoW is not a mud. |
| 13:03.57 | sag_ich_nicht | and WoW isn't from 1987. |
| 13:04.05 | art3mis | once the item is removed from the original "release" as in loaded on a mob it becomes a new instance |
| 13:04.10 | art3mis | and is stored on the player file |
| 13:04.20 | art3mis | where it can be modded and editted by the user |
| 13:04.51 | art3mis | if they change something on the main item before it's looted they would need to them scan thier entire database and correct every single instance of said item |
| 13:04.57 | art3mis | that alone == mroe trouble than its worth |
| 13:05.12 | art3mis | need to then |
| 13:05.59 | art3mis | most of the time it's "referenced" to the original but in the case of enchants and socket bonuses those are store with the pfile and thus arent as easily modified |
| 13:06.02 | art3mis | therefore... |
| 13:06.09 | art3mis | they arent gonn do it |
| 13:06.21 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. i know. the item system in WoW is a POS. that's my point. |
| 13:06.26 | sag_ich_nicht | that can be done better |
| 13:06.33 | art3mis | wow may not be a mud graphically, but its still a mud underneath |
| 13:06.40 | |pez| | sag_ich_nicht: make a system that's better and send it in! :D |
| 13:06.47 | art3mis | the way they do do it is the best way |
| 13:06.56 | sag_ich_nicht | |pez|: it's way to late to change it now :) |
| 13:07.03 | art3mis | it allows for chants and socket bonuses and stuff |
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| 13:07.16 | art3mis | there is no better single source way to del with it |
| 13:07.19 | art3mis | deal |
| 13:07.52 | art3mis | because you're still gonna have to track millions of instances of things to see if it's got an enchant or an armour kit or gems and what not |
| 13:07.57 | |pez| | sag_ich_nicht: Naaah, if you write a damn good converter, it'll be... a few days of dataconverting ;P |
| 13:08.08 | sag_ich_nicht | |pez|: which is unacceptable |
| 13:08.15 | art3mis | otherwise one person on realm 1 can enchant it and blame everyone gets it ;P |
| 13:08.36 | art3mis | all because a couple of slackjawed mouth breathers wanted something changed |
| 13:08.36 | |pez| | sag_ich_nicht: not if people don't have to pay for that period. |
| 13:08.54 | sag_ich_nicht | |pez|: which is unacceptable |
| 13:09.29 | |pez| | So it's unacceptable to take it down for a few days of maintanance, to make things better? |
| 13:09.38 | art3mis | whats not acceptable is that people think that they have the god given right to tell blizzard how to do it's job ;P |
| 13:10.28 | clad|office | i've never understood entitlement for something like this |
| 13:10.47 | |pez| | If Blizz decided they needed to change some stuff, and it took a few days of no play time to do it. Go ahead Blizz, it's your game, you do whatever you want. Just don't make me pay for playtime I didn't get. |
| 13:11.05 | clad|office | You're paying to play their game with their rules, not to demand they change the rules to suit your needs. |
| 13:11.40 | clad|office | is my thought *shrug* |
| 13:11.53 | Josh_Borke | clad|office: well you're WRONG |
| 13:12.36 | sag_ich_nicht | art3mis: actually i have that right |
| 13:12.42 | art3mis | no you dont |
| 13:12.49 | sag_ich_nicht | actually i do art3mis |
| 13:13.01 | sag_ich_nicht | just like blizzard has the right to ignore what i say |
| 13:13.07 | |pez| | sag_ich_nicht: how do you figure you've got that right? |
| 13:13.12 | art3mis | you rights and choices are a) suck it up and play b) go somewhere else |
| 13:13.18 | sag_ich_nicht | |pez|: i read the forum rules |
| 13:13.24 | clad|office | to be fair |
| 13:13.27 | clad|office | he has the right to bithc |
| 13:13.28 | clad|office | bitch |
| 13:13.36 | art3mis | they dont need to justify shit to you ;P |
| 13:13.38 | clad|office | we just need to exercise our right to ignore him |
| 13:13.44 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|office: yupp |
| 13:13.49 | |pez| | clad|office: Sure, freedom of speech and whatnot, But it's not like bitching is gonna help much. |
| 13:14.20 | clad|office | |pez|: oh absolutely.. and I think its misguided and shows quite a bit of "wrong" that people think it helps matters. |
| 13:14.25 | art3mis | freedom of speech is limited and rarely as open and free as you'dthink ;P |
| 13:14.37 | sag_ich_nicht | no, it's not |
| 13:14.57 | art3mis | i believe in some cases that freedom of speech is called sedition ;P |
| 13:15.00 | sag_ich_nicht | as long as i can breath, my speech will always be free. what may or may not be free is who hears it. |
| 13:16.18 | sag_ich_nicht | now piss of you anti-freedom moran, get a brain. you're unamerican |
| 13:16.20 | sag_ich_nicht | (yes i just went there, and no, i'm not serious about this statement in any way) |
| 13:16.36 | art3mis | im canadian actually ;P |
| 13:16.36 | |pez| | moran? |
| 13:16.38 | |pez| | whassat? |
| 13:17.15 | clad|office | its a mental roadblock i have |
| 13:17.17 | sag_ich_nicht | http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-moran.htm |
| 13:17.20 | sag_ich_nicht | lern2internet |
| 13:17.23 | clad|office | no |
| 13:18.31 | sag_ich_nicht | ys |
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| 13:20.16 | |pez| | Damned government uses a freaking month to check up on how much I made last year, and if I'm entitled to get moneys from them. |
| 13:20.52 | sag_ich_nicht | clearly their implementation is correct and you should shut up and stop complaining or gtfo the country |
| 13:20.59 | sag_ich_nicht | amirite |
| 13:21.37 | |pez| | No :) |
| 13:21.41 | |pez| | They should hire more people. |
| 13:21.51 | |pez| | since they whine about there not being enough people for jobs! |
| 13:21.56 | |pez| | wat |
| 13:21.59 | |pez| | jobs for people |
| 13:22.02 | |pez| | other way around. |
| 13:23.43 | |pez| | The Norwegian government may be slow as heck on these things, but Norway is still one of the better places to live in. :P |
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| 13:34.15 | art3mis | specially if you like raging pillaging plundering and snow |
| 13:34.20 | art3mis | oh and dragons and trolls |
| 13:34.31 | art3mis | i hear there's lots there movies and tv have told me so |
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| 13:35.47 | art3mis | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3496462&sku=ULT40147&SRCCODE=WEBBP590 |
| 13:35.51 | art3mis | ^^ kind of neat |
| 13:37.24 | art3mis | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3601833&Sku=MCM-680ILT-Q6600B <-- not bad price too |
| 13:37.38 | Saeljfkklhen | I'm holding out 'till they make a Weighted Companion Cube case for my computer. |
| 13:37.38 | Kaso | I think all these products that advertise themselves as "the size of a credit card" are misleading, because 99% of the time they're a great deal thicker |
| 13:37.50 | art3mis | heh yeah kaso |
| 13:38.15 | art3mis | thats stilla chinsy way of getting a 6gb card |
| 13:38.21 | art3mis | but kind of a neat idea |
| 13:38.38 | art3mis | now if it supported regular flash keys and allowed you to raid them that would be neater |
| 13:39.06 | art3mis | or regular usb connections |
| 13:39.24 | art3mis | get a bunch of thin 120gb wd's raid em up |
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| 13:55.38 | p3lim | Hi there |
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| 13:55.56 | Josh_Borke | cairenn or dolby-wowi should be able to help you |
| 13:55.58 | p3lim | Im working on moving my addons over to WoWI, tho how do I enable the portal feature? |
| 13:56.03 | Josh_Borke | dunno who that widgertick person is |
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| 13:56.42 | clad|office | p3lim: go into your user control panel |
| 13:56.49 | clad|office | there should be an option for it there |
| 13:57.16 | p3lim | cant seem to find any |
| 13:57.51 | Josh_Borke | maybe it was removed when the goblins (or was it gnomes) upgrading the site |
| 13:58.08 | clad|office | I haev mine enabled already |
| 13:58.12 | Josh_Borke | me too |
| 13:58.16 | clad|office | so I can't tell you what it looks like |
| 13:58.21 | clad|office | dolby-wowi: Cairenn|afk: ping |
| 13:58.49 | p3lim | hm do I have to upload several addons to get this working maybe? |
| 13:59.13 | clad|office | nope, every author gets one |
| 13:59.17 | p3lim | hm weird |
| 14:00.17 | Lopeppeppy | Dolby and Cairenn will have answers. |
| 14:03.30 | p3lim | 'You may not upload animated images.' :< |
| 14:04.04 | Lopeppeppy | I thank the stars for that every day. I hate animations that don't play correctly and frell up my browsing experience.... |
| 14:05.02 | ralfWORK | what's a frell? |
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| 14:06.00 | p3lim | its the avatar i use on wowace, which is a very very small chicken that blinks his eyes |
| 14:06.01 | p3lim | :F |
| 14:06.08 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 14:06.34 | p3lim | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=3763;type=avatar |
| 14:06.40 | Lopeppeppy | At least it's not porn pics, which are just wrong. |
| 14:07.13 | p3lim | my chicken <3 |
| 14:07.58 | p3lim | hm, i may not upload a gif, but can i use a hosted one? |
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| 14:09.47 | Lopeppeppy | Give it a shot. |
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| 14:09.59 | Lopeppeppy | Seems more likely to be okay, since it's not on their server, but who knows? |
| 14:10.15 | p3lim | Didnt work, completely banned from the site :p |
| 14:10.59 | Lopeppeppy | As in, you just got yourself banned from the site? |
| 14:11.23 | p3lim | no, the picture type is banned |
| 14:12.11 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... well, that's the way the cookie crumbles then.... Maybe the huge amount of animated porn .gifs has something to do with the unreasoning prejudice. <.< |
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| 14:13.03 | p3lim | :p |
| 14:13.16 | p3lim | used my black mage avatar instead, does the job :) |
| 14:14.50 | Lopeppeppy | There you go. Always have a backup plan. |
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| 14:21.21 | p3lim | only use two avatars, prefer to use one tho.. |
| 14:21.25 | p3lim | but wellwell :) |
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| 14:31.09 | p3lim | is there itemlink support on the wowi forums? |
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| 14:46.07 | sag_ich_nicht | someone tell me how i can tell if a US phone number is a cell phone number |
| 14:46.27 | p3lim | lol, suddenly this "Enable Portal" link popped up on the right side, it werent there before. |
| 14:46.35 | p3lim | That was after i uploaded my 2nd addon |
| 14:46.42 | clad|office | maybe then :P |
| 14:46.50 | p3lim | :p |
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| 14:47.26 | p3lim | Comment section just got enabled too |
| 14:47.29 | ralfWORK | sag_ich_nicht: maybe a reverse whois thingy |
| 14:47.33 | krka | hi, does anyone know of any mod that allows for a guild to verify the identify of the players? |
| 14:47.47 | krka | so that it can detect account thefts, and gkick those so they can't do any damage |
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| 14:48.07 | zenzelezz | don't think you have access to data that could verify that |
| 14:48.10 | zenzelezz | but I could be wrong |
| 14:48.12 | krka | i am thinking that the addon would send some authentication string to the guild members |
| 14:48.20 | krka | the guild members would compare against their own lists |
| 14:48.34 | zenzelezz | ah, cooperative mod... that could work |
| 14:48.48 | krka | so, it hasn't been done yet? |
| 14:48.55 | zenzelezz | don't know, never looked for one |
| 14:49.10 | krka | the addon could generate a completely random string on first load, then send some encrypted version as identification |
| 14:49.22 | krka | the guild members could use a public key to verify it |
| 14:49.46 | krka | if the account got stolen and logged in on another computer, the guild would notice that it never authed itself / or authed badly |
| 14:50.01 | krka | and should be able to gkick before using guild bank |
| 14:50.20 | Josh_Borke | krka: you could use TEAlib by usz (it's on the wowace svn) |
| 14:51.20 | krka | that could be useful |
| 14:52.15 | p3lim | only 1 guy in my guild can access the bank, the GM :p |
| 14:54.39 | wereHamster | krka, but what if someone uses more then one computer? |
| 14:55.28 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: not difficult to install an addon on more than one computer |
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| 14:55.42 | alestane | Anyone have a minute to educate me on the finer points of ScrollFrames? The wiki is somewhat deficient. |
| 14:55.56 | wereHamster | sure, but 'addon could generate a completely random string on first load' so you'd have to copy the SV as well |
| 14:55.58 | p3lim | how is it with wowi and licenses? I wish to upload pMinimap, tho its licenced under New BSD License |
| 14:56.01 | Josh_Borke | alestane: yea, don't do it |
| 14:56.51 | p3lim | btw i have a better idea. Make all the guildmembers run an addon with a custom string as "password" |
| 14:57.14 | p3lim | if the guy logging in doesnt have the addon he would be tagged as "Suspicious" or something |
| 14:57.33 | p3lim | or wrong string |
| 14:57.47 | alestane | Josh_Borke: Well, I have a selection of options that could easily outgrow its panel. I don't care for "use an offset index into your source and reuse the same five boxes" systems. So, ScrollFrames. |
| 14:58.00 | Josh_Borke | alestane: i know, scrollframes are just a bitch is all |
| 14:58.18 | alestane | Hence why I need some help. |
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| 15:00.09 | Kaso | Wow, http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ looks really like domain parked page |
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| 15:21.30 | Fisker- | probably like that because it's a standard page for the eeepc's browsar |
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| 15:25.27 | |pez| | ... Zombie Strippers... -_-' |
| 15:25.45 | Fisker- | OH |
| 15:25.45 | Fisker- | MY |
| 15:25.47 | Fisker- | GODS |
| 15:26.09 | |pez| | Comedy horror, with Jenna Jameson. :p |
| 15:28.26 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3190690629&sid=1&pageNo=1#16 <-did someone call the LULZ machine? |
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| 15:39.05 | krka | wereHamster: if they're using more than one computer, the guild members can accept his multiple signatures |
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| 15:43.15 | [dRaCo] | somewhat offtopic, but a cronjob that runs every full hour would look something like '0 * * * * command', wouldn't it? |
| 15:43.49 | krka | yes |
| 15:43.52 | [dRaCo] | k, thanks |
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| 16:24.23 | zenzelezz | I swear half the leveling time between ~45 and 60 is moving around between zones |
| 16:24.31 | ralfWORK | heheh |
| 16:24.39 | ralfWORK | that sounds fairly true |
| 16:25.40 | Esamynn | ~comfort zenzelezz |
| 16:25.41 | purl | There, there, zenzelezz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:26.36 | Lopeppeppy | I hate travel. Passionately. |
| 16:27.15 | ralfWORK | I hate WoW travel |
| 16:27.23 | ralfWORK | I think it's pretty stupid, myself |
| 16:28.03 | ralfWORK | esp. the boats |
| 16:28.22 | Lopeppeppy | Bring back Captain Placeholder. |
| 16:28.30 | ralfWORK | hmm? |
| 16:28.53 | foxlit | Anyone got an entirely blank (transparent) BLP somewhere? :) |
| 16:28.54 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Captain_Placeholder |
| 16:29.58 | ralfWORK | hahahahah that's incredible |
| 16:30.55 | ralfWORK | yes bring him back plz |
| 16:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | I miss him every day. |
| 16:32.12 | ralfWORK | *plox |
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| 16:54.08 | ralfWORK | any phpraider users here? |
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| 17:12.21 | Saint-N | in vb how would I regex #34# where the numbers are vary |
| 17:14.09 | Esamynn | vb is evil |
| 17:14.21 | Esamynn | ~vb |
| 17:14.22 | purl | i guess vb is something stupid |
| 17:14.27 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 17:14.27 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn |
| 17:16.41 | Saint-N | is that your way of way nfi? |
| 17:16.54 | Saint-N | way of saying |
| 17:17.30 | zenzelezz | does VB do regex these days? |
| 17:17.41 | ralfWORK | rofl |
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| 17:23.11 | dru_ | yes, it's a .net language and hasfull access to all .net features. |
| 17:26.16 | zenzelezz | nice |
| 17:26.32 | nevcairiel | its still basic |
| 17:26.34 | nevcairiel | :x |
| 17:27.09 | nevcairiel | i would rather use C# or C++.net |
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| 17:29.07 | nevcairiel | Oh peppy now that i see you, did you read the bluepost about the darkmoon faire? |
| 17:29.33 | zenzelezz | why must all rescue quests be "hey, let's run over to those three orange spawned mobs and fight them all at once! Oh, and I have 20 armor" |
| 17:29.45 | Lopeppeppy | I heard it was being run this week, put back into place during maintenance... does the post say different? |
| 17:29.49 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 17:30.31 | nevcairiel | No, thats it. To "fix" the event calendar next maintenane will start the faire again ;) |
| 17:30.48 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: I hate escort quests |
| 17:30.54 | ralfWORK | they are basically retarded |
| 17:31.31 | Lopeppeppy | Thank the stars, nevcairiel! I've heard nothing but complaints since people figured out it was mis-timed (in whichever direction, ymmv on that). |
| 17:33.27 | nevcairiel | I think the calendar was wrong, its always been first week in the month |
| 17:34.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, it's way too easy to just mistype a calendar, etc. I'm glad they're making it right by re-running it though, shows a lot of good will and good faith effort. |
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| 17:36.12 | nevcairiel | any raiding shadow priests here? i need some good spec |
| 17:36.25 | ralfWORK | me |
| 17:36.29 | ralfWORK | apparently I'm terribad though |
| 17:37.10 | ralfWORK | finished kara, working on za |
| 17:37.10 | ralfWORK | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Elune&n=Nightface |
| 17:37.14 | dru_ | nevcairiel: to each their own, I personally view C++.net as a half-asssed attempt to please the C++/MFC crowd. |
| 17:37.22 | ralfWORK | let me know what questions you might have on that spec |
| 17:37.30 | dru_ | and VB.net as the same to appease the VB6 enterprise crowd |
| 17:38.10 | dru_ | but I choose to use Objective C on a Mac, so what does that say ;-) |
| 17:38.42 | dru_ | and sorry, my raid toon is my mage |
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| 17:46.26 | sag_ich_nicht | okay what can cause the raidtab to fail/look fucked up with graphics like the borders missing |
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| 17:46.43 | Kaso | taint? |
| 17:46.50 | ralfWORK | nevcairiel: did that help you with your shadowpriest question? |
| 17:50.30 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaso: no entries in the taintlog |
| 17:50.42 | Kaso | wierd |
| 17:51.34 | wereHamster | sag_ich_nicht, start disabling addons and see which causes it |
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| 18:05.05 | nevcairiel | ralfWORK: yes thanks |
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| 18:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | Morning Lunessa. |
| 18:10.18 | Lunessa | Morning. |
| 18:11.30 | sag_ich_nicht | wereHamster: no, i'm not into shotgun debugging. |
| 18:12.05 | Lopeppeppy | I so rarely look at my raid tab that I'd never know if one of my addons did funky-funk or not. |
| 18:12.54 | sag_ich_nicht | you're not an officer then :P |
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| 18:16.54 | Lunessa | *chuckle* You'd be wrong sag. |
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| 18:18.01 | Lopeppeppy | Very wrong. |
| 18:18.22 | wereHamster | sag_ich_nicht, binary search is fast :) |
| 18:18.51 | Lopeppeppy | I just have different ways of managing my raid I guess. *gentle shrug* Mostly I glare at them and they move meekly where I am imagining they should be. Mind-fu. It's a plugin for Fubar, you should get. |
| 18:18.54 | wereHamster | and I'd first disable raid-related addons, which cuts down the number significantly |
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| 18:27.36 | batrick | wow |
| 18:27.57 | batrick | fucking hate it when you go on the longest most strained search to find the source of a bug |
| 18:28.07 | batrick | and it was staring you in the face the whole fucking time |
| 18:28.24 | Lopeppeppy | That is indeed an ouch. |
| 18:28.25 | zenzelezz | been there, done that |
| 18:28.59 | zenzelezz | for example, running a CRC test on the wrong buffer will not give the expected results |
| 18:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | You think? |
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| 18:29.20 | zenzelezz | I knw |
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| 18:29.23 | zenzelezz | *know |
| 18:29.27 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 18:29.39 | Saint-N | well that's kind of sucky |
| 18:29.54 | Saint-N | the job that I really really really wanted was misrepresented |
| 18:30.02 | Lopeppeppy | That seems common sense to me, but then again.... I'm from outside the code. |
| 18:30.05 | Saint-N | they wanted a master kernel debugger type level |
| 18:30.21 | Saint-N | so sadly that's not in the cards at this time for me |
| 18:30.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... very different from what you described as I remember. |
| 18:30.39 | Saint-N | on a plus side the other job I interviewed for seems to be a likely hire |
| 18:30.41 | Lunessa | Saint-N: Yeah... that's a tough job. |
| 18:31.06 | Saint-N | I could learn it but it would be a tad slow as my programming background is insanely weak |
| 18:31.21 | Saint-N | and I'm fairly sure they don't wanna pay 90k/yr to teach me ;P |
| 18:31.40 | Saint-N | plus I've got a network engineer ineterview on thursday |
| 18:32.35 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: oh, it's common sense all right, I just didn't notice for some time that I was not using the right buffer |
| 18:32.41 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:18] <wereHamster> sag_ich_nicht, binary search is fast :) <--i'm still not into shotgun debugging. |
| 18:33.04 | sag_ich_nicht | i want to know what breaks so i can find other addons that do the same thing. |
| 18:33.10 | sag_ich_nicht | there are only so many ways to break the friendsframe/raid tab |
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| 18:35.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 18:35.29 | sag_ich_nicht | halp |
| 18:35.37 | sag_ich_nicht | they want me to shotgun debug |
| 18:35.37 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 18:36.25 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:36.37 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:46] <sag_ich_nicht> okay what can cause the raidtab to fail/look fucked up with graphics like the borders missing |
| 18:36.40 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:51] <wereHamster> sag_ich_nicht, start disabling addons and see which causes it |
| 18:36.51 | zenzelezz | he's asking us to do psychic debugging |
| 18:37.30 | sag_ich_nicht | binary search with 500 addons is NOT fast. and you need a damn filled raid to test it. |
| 18:37.33 | sag_ich_nicht | so no, that doesn't work. |
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| 18:37.54 | Kaso | for like 500 addons its still only in the teens number of reloads you need to do |
| 18:37.59 | Lunessa | sag_ich_nicht: Holy crap man... that's not shotgun debugging. Tainting the raid frame can happen in all kinds of places. |
| 18:38.17 | Lunessa | Some not even obviously related. |
| 18:38.32 | Cide | >>> log(500)/log(2) |
| 18:38.32 | Cide | Cide: 8.9657842846621 |
| 18:38.38 | Shirik | 9 trials |
| 18:38.40 | Shirik | damn you Cide |
| 18:38.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Lunessa: i know. i wanna know what specific function needs to break for this specific kind of break to occur. |
| 18:38.42 | Cide | ha |
| 18:38.43 | Shirik | I was almost there |
| 18:39.01 | Kaso | im far too lazy to even pull out the calculator :> |
| 18:39.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Lunessa: then i can go reverse up from there and check with IsSecure() |
| 18:39.05 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 18:39.11 | Cide | Kaso: so am I :P |
| 18:39.13 | Shirik | I had to do all the work for myself :( I had a brain fart |
| 18:39.23 | Cide | your own fault! |
| 18:39.36 | Shirik | 2^x = 500, xlog2 = log500, log500/log2 = x |
| 18:40.09 | Cide | yep |
| 18:40.33 | sag_ich_nicht | now shirik |
| 18:40.34 | sag_ich_nicht | tell me |
| 18:40.55 | sag_ich_nicht | what needs to break for the raidframe to lack borders and leader/ML/MA/MT icons |
| 18:41.03 | sag_ich_nicht | -frame +tab |
| 18:41.04 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 18:41.13 | Shirik | an addon |
| 18:41.33 | sag_ich_nicht | no, the addon is not what breaks |
| 18:41.36 | sag_ich_nicht | the blizz code is what breaks |
| 18:41.40 | sag_ich_nicht | the addon causes the break |
| 18:41.45 | Shirik | thus the addon is broken |
| 18:41.48 | Shirik | I win :D |
| 18:41.51 | sag_ich_nicht | no look |
| 18:42.28 | sag_ich_nicht | find what breaks in blizz code, trace up from there with IsSecure(), find the addon that is actually broken. the taintlog is made of fail, and binary debugging is equivalent to shotgun debugging. |
| 18:43.18 | Cide | binary search is your best option imo |
| 18:43.24 | Cide | shotgun or no shotgun |
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| 18:48.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, 12:45 is MUCH too late to wake up at |
| 18:48.17 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 18:49.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide: well, you are wrong. |
| 18:49.35 | Cide | it's not my ui |
| 18:49.41 | Cide | so I couldn't care less |
| 18:49.53 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht: if you can say he's wrong then you obviously already know a better way |
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| 18:54.35 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: i already stated a better way. i just don't have the time to read the whole friendsframe.lua and i'm pretty sure more than 1 person already know what in it is tainted to cause this specific kind of breaking :) |
| 18:54.42 | sag_ich_nicht | *knows |
| 18:54.52 | zenzelezz | you've stated what you consider to be a better way |
| 18:55.19 | zenzelezz | just because you disagree with Cide doesn't mean either of you are wrong |
| 18:55.40 | Cide | note that I appended 'imo' to my suggestion, noting that I consider my way the best, not that it's the absolutely best way :P |
| 18:57.47 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 18:58.27 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.23 | alestane | My server is being rather dreadful about logging me in. |
| 19:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: so smack it. Hard love. |
| 19:01.07 | alestane | I presume it's in California somewhere. |
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| 19:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Mine is in Atlanta. I'm in Utah. I don't have that luxary. |
| 19:01.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Only spelled right |
| 19:01.56 | Saint-N | I didn't know you were a mormon |
| 19:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, for the record, you have a 1/2 chance of getting that outright wrong :P |
| 19:02.24 | Saint-N | I had to type that word 4 times btw |
| 19:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:02.39 | Saint-N | kept forgetting the 2nd m |
| 19:03.02 | Saint-N | they really should have picked a better name for thier religion ;P |
| 19:03.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, the offical name is somewhat lengthy :P |
| 19:03.40 | Saint-N | cojcolds |
| 19:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And by "somewhat" I mean "very" |
| 19:03.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 19:04.00 | alestane | "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints"? |
| 19:04.04 | Saint-N | that doesn't sound much better |
| 19:04.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be it |
| 19:04.07 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 19:04.15 | Saint-N | and LDS I always type LSD |
| 19:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:04.23 | Saint-N | so really is that a better option? |
| 19:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Neither is anything new :P |
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| 19:04.59 | Saint-N | you can either be on a halucinogenic OR a moron |
| 19:05.10 | Saint-N | your choice! |
| 19:05.18 | Saint-N | technically theya re one in the same |
| 19:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone have a copy of the Win2k DDK around by chance? |
| 19:06.08 | Saint-N | Dance Dance Keyboard? |
| 19:06.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently you can only gev it via MSDN subscription now.. |
| 19:06.13 | Cide | doomsday kit? |
| 19:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Driver Dev Kit :P |
| 19:07.36 | Shirik | really? |
| 19:07.38 | Shirik | why? |
| 19:07.45 | Shirik | oh, but the current one you can get, right? |
| 19:07.48 | chronx | how exactly do anchors work? what does <Anchor point="CENTER"/> do? |
| 19:07.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, the 2003 |
| 19:08.05 | Shirik | yeah, win2k went on extended support |
| 19:08.05 | Saint-N | http://dropkickmonkey.com/2008/03/11/3-crazy-monkey-commercials-from-sweden/ |
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| 19:08.10 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 19:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Have a copy? :) |
| 19:08.15 | Shirik | hell, even XP is on extended support |
| 19:08.17 | Shirik | no sorry |
| 19:08.23 | alestane | chronx: It means that the frame's center will be pinned to the center of its parent frame. |
| 19:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh worth a shot |
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| 19:13.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah well, let's just hope that it's forward-compat :P |
| 19:19.11 | wereHamster | chronx, center the current frame to the center of its parent |
| 19:22.44 | chronx | how exactly do i add a texture (and make it fit) to a multiline EditBox? |
| 19:25.15 | Kaso | texture:SetAllPoints(Frame) |
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| 19:27.35 | Cairenn|afk | p3lim: the reason it didn't show up right away is because in order for you to have the option to have a portal, our database has to recognize you as an author, and that doesn't refresh every minute |
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| 19:29.23 | alestane | chronx: Try adding the attribute setallpoints="true" to the texture's tag if it's in XML. |
| 19:29.40 | chronx | what texture should i use? |
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| 19:30.20 | wereHamster | a nice one |
| 19:30.33 | alestane | Is this an add-on you're making, or one you're trying to customize? |
| 19:31.19 | chronx | its an addon i'm trying to make |
| 19:32.00 | alestane | And it involves an edit box. Are you creating this in an XML file, or through Lua using CreateFrame? |
| 19:32.17 | chronx | xml |
| 19:33.18 | alestane | And does your <EditBox> tag contain a <Layers><Layer><Texture/></Layer></Layers> section |
| 19:33.19 | alestane | ? |
| 19:34.09 | chronx | it does now, but i don't know what texture to use |
| 19:34.22 | alestane | Do you know what you want it to look like? |
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| 19:35.11 | Amarande | hmm, anyone know why I get a couple of odd little glitches with Bartender3? |
| 19:35.12 | Amarande | basically: |
| 19:35.12 | chronx | anything will work as long as the texture fits |
| 19:35.42 | Amarande | 1) on ONE of my characters, only one though for some odd reason ... all unused action bar slots have circles around them when I log onto it. I have to click each circle individually to remove it, but they're back as soon as I log back into that toon |
| 19:36.07 | Amarande | 2) my warlock's pet bar sometimes stretches or compresses for no apparent reason, sometimes /reloadui fixes it, sometimes I have to mess with both the pet bar settings and /reloadui's |
| 19:36.25 | Amarande | (the warlock, however, is not the same toon that gets the circles around unused slots glitch) |
| 19:36.30 | foxlit | chronx: very, very few people actually deal with sticking textures onto textboxes |
| 19:36.35 | alestane | chronx: I can tell you how to put a blank background on it if you want, but picking a texture is really the creator's role. Any texture you use can be stretched across the entire frame easily enough. |
| 19:36.37 | foxlit | Find somewhere you can inherit from in the default UI |
| 19:37.55 | chronx | foxlit: i was inheriting from "InputBoxTemplate" but its not multiline |
| 19:38.07 | foxlit | So find a multiline one? :) |
| 19:38.26 | foxlit | GM tickets should have one |
| 19:38.39 | p3lim | Cairenn: yeah i found out |
| 19:38.58 | chronx | where would i find one of those? i was looking through the \FrameXML for the /m macro window multiline text box but i couldn't find it |
| 19:38.58 | Cairenn | p3lim: I know you did, I was just explaining why :) |
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| 19:44.00 | Amarande | zenzelezz, I keep thinking of a Final Fantasy monster when I see your nick. |
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| 19:45.04 | Cide | I keep thinking he's lost his senses |
| 19:47.19 | zenzelezz | Amarande: I wouldn't know, I've never played Final Fantasy =) And Cide is onto something, although the origin was the "pointless" meaning of the word |
| 19:47.40 | ralfWORK | Cide reminds me of Cid |
| 19:47.59 | Amarande | zenzelezz: there's a mob in at least one FF called Zemzelett |
| 19:48.41 | chronx | how would i go about finding a multiline EditBox to inherit from? |
| 19:52.34 | foxlit | Find one used somewhere in game, figure out what it is, then find it in FrameXML |
| 19:53.40 | alestane | THe Macro one is in an Add-on, Blizzard_MacroUI, which might have made it harder to track down. |
| 19:55.31 | alestane | Blah, PTRs are still down. |
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| 19:58.27 | Amarande | alestane: given the bugs that exist on the live realms, I'm not surprised the PTRs are down as often as they are :S |
| 19:58.50 | ralfWORK | so stupid question |
| 19:58.53 | Amarande | btw, do you know if most of the typical ace addons are going to be available off the bat when 2.4 comes out, or am I going to be stuck going back to mostly-vanilla-UI then? |
| 19:59.43 | alestane | Well, we did get one of those [SERVER] system down in 15:00...14:00...etc warnings. |
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| 19:59.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: there is no real way of giving you a straight answer to that |
| 19:59.43 | kd3 | some mods have already been rewritten and are working (mostly) for 2.4. others haven't |
| 19:59.44 | ralfWORK | but this arena test realm or whatever |
| 19:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: considering how many Ace authors and addons there are, a definitive answer would be answering for at least 100 different people :) |
| 19:59.44 | ralfWORK | is that new maps and stuff? |
| 19:59.46 | kd3 | nope. same 3 maps as always |
| 19:59.49 | Kemayo | Most mods don't read the combat log, and thus won't be too affected. |
| 19:59.52 | kd3 | just no spawns |
| 20:00.01 | ralfWORK | kd3: oh ya? |
| 20:00.05 | kd3 | [[Arena Tournament NPCs]] |
| 20:00.06 | alestane | I'm guessing one of the big deals would be Waterfall. |
| 20:00.08 | kd3 | ... |
| 20:00.22 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Arena_Tournament_NPCs |
| 20:00.25 | ralfWORK | k ty |
| 20:00.33 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: you sir, are awesome |
| 20:01.05 | ralfWORK | ah so they just basically created the vendors you would need |
| 20:01.05 | alestane | No professions of Arena Realm? I guess that makes sense. |
| 20:02.09 | ralfWORK | hmmm |
| 20:02.13 | ralfWORK | very interesting |
| 20:02.47 | Cairenn | cog|work: 2.4 tags now avail on wowi |
| 20:02.55 | cog|work | thanks =) |
| 20:03.03 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 20:03.40 | Cide | alestane: only first aid |
| 20:04.00 | ralfWORK | would this be the first event server WoW has done? |
| 20:04.35 | Josh_Borke | i don't understand this worldwide arena tournament thing, why are they having people spawn in random places? |
| 20:04.36 | kd3 | they've had event realms for the end-of-season arena tournaments, but nothing quite like this |
| 20:04.41 | kd3 | josh; to spread the load |
| 20:05.02 | kd3 | vendor lag is rather painful if half the server is in a few hundred square meters |
| 20:05.10 | ralfWORK | kd3: oh ya? interesting |
| 20:05.16 | Josh_Borke | and then people can que for an arena in each of the capital cities |
| 20:05.19 | Josh_Borke | again, to spread the load |
| 20:05.28 | Josh_Borke | but it will still be arena instanced in the end |
| 20:05.32 | kd3 | and at all the spawnpoints, and on the roads between spawnpoints |
| 20:05.44 | kd3 | and there's teleporters at all the spawnpoints too |
| 20:06.37 | kd3 | create an orc/troll. their area's done afaik. the rest of the races are getting to that level of completion, but all of the spawnpoints should be set up |
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| 20:22.45 | Shirik | you know, I just started randomly going to Wikipedia's "Candidates for Speedy Deletion" category |
| 20:22.49 | Shirik | it's kinda funny the stuff you find |
| 20:23.04 | Shirik | like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42a_buss |
| 20:25.06 | deltron | haha page was already deleted |
| 20:25.25 | Shirik | aw |
| 20:25.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol I saw it |
| 20:25.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It was epic |
| 20:25.35 | Shirik | no it wasn't |
| 20:25.38 | Shirik | unless I need to refresh |
| 20:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Totally disagree |
| 20:25.48 | ScytheBlade1 | it was epic |
| 20:25.57 | Shirik | no I mean it wasn't deleted |
| 20:25.59 | Shirik | oh yes it was |
| 20:26.00 | Shirik | boooo |
| 20:26.10 | deltron | lol |
| 20:26.23 | deltron | my discussion is still up |
| 20:26.23 | deltron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:42a_buss |
| 20:26.35 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:26.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Where in the crap do I configure enviroment variables and extra include locations in VS05? |
| 20:27.27 | deltron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_make_TNT |
| 20:27.42 | ralfWORK | oh really? |
| 20:27.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:27.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That page is also epic |
| 20:28.00 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 20:28.15 | ralfWORK | wtf |
| 20:28.16 | ralfWORK | ahahahahaha |
| 20:28.32 | Shirik | I'm totally going to browse this category more often |
| 20:28.56 | deltron | WTF |
| 20:28.57 | deltron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Questkeys |
| 20:29.33 | ralfWORK | whaa? |
| 20:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:29.59 | ScytheBlade1 | "HEY GUYS WE MADE A URL REDIRECTION SERVICE" |
| 20:30.21 | Shirik | but it's got hypertransfer technology |
| 20:30.29 | ralfWORK | yea so does my ass |
| 20:30.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Also known as a Location header! |
| 20:30.38 | ralfWORK | CHECK THE TECH |
| 20:31.08 | ScytheBlade1 | But really, who knows where I specify extra header includes in VS05? :( |
| 20:31.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I know where to do it in 6, but.. yeah |
| 20:31.37 | Shirik | easy cakes |
| 20:31.40 | Shirik | wait |
| 20:31.43 | Shirik | wtf are you still using 5 for? |
| 20:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I have it, legit, for free? |
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| 20:31.59 | Shirik | Get 2008 for free? |
| 20:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Where? |
| 20:32.07 | ralfWORK | warez? |
| 20:32.10 | Shirik | not warez |
| 20:32.14 | ralfWORK | hax? |
| 20:32.14 | Shirik | I don't support that stuff >< |
| 20:32.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I did the 05 for free thing a while back |
| 20:32.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Link me and sure :P |
| 20:32.36 | Shirik | wait, 05 |
| 20:32.38 | Shirik | as in 2005 |
| 20:32.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes :P |
| 20:32.43 | Shirik | not version 5 |
| 20:32.44 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:32.50 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 20:32.51 | Shirik | Well you said 6 and I'm all confused >< |
| 20:33.04 | Shirik | Well I can tell you where it is in 2008 and you can see if it's the same |
| 20:33.08 | ralfWORK | Shirik: ok so 6 is after 5 |
| 20:33.10 | Shirik | project->properties |
| 20:33.12 | ralfWORK | just fyi |
| 20:33.14 | ralfWORK | ;) |
| 20:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm there |
| 20:33.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been poking around in there |
| 20:33.26 | Shirik | sec |
| 20:33.29 | Shirik | I need to follow along >< |
| 20:33.34 | ScytheBlade1 | np |
| 20:34.05 | Shirik | configuration properties->C/C++->General: Additional include directories |
| 20:34.22 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, win |
| 20:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the same |
| 20:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Any clue about enviroment variables? |
| 20:34.55 | Shirik | configuration properties->debugging |
| 20:35.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Got it |
| 20:35.22 | Shirik | but um |
| 20:35.24 | Shirik | here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b98a61ba-99b0-40b7-ab6e-5386a2b94217&DisplayLang=en |
| 20:35.42 | cog|work | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080311005806&newsLang=en |
| 20:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, beta |
| 20:36.20 | Shirik | it works :P |
| 20:36.23 | ScytheBlade1 | If I really wanted the beta stuff I'd just ask a friend of mine who is one of the head VS project managers :P |
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| 20:36.57 | Shirik | then ask your friend to get you a copy of 2008! |
| 20:37.00 | Shirik | surely he can work it in |
| 20:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | he can |
| 20:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | But he's also very busy :( |
| 20:37.11 | Josh_Borke | but that would be stealing, mmk? |
| 20:37.16 | Shirik | not stealing -_- |
| 20:37.18 | ScytheBlade1 | No, actually |
| 20:37.30 | ScytheBlade1 | He can get me legit software for either heavily discounted or free |
| 20:37.33 | Josh_Borke | from fth|daemona in #wowace: http://www.funnyexamanswers.com/img/infinity5.jpg |
| 20:37.45 | Shirik | Yeah, hell, when I worked for Best Buy I was already getting Microsoft products for free (legit) |
| 20:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:37.52 | Shirik | I'm sure the same goes for the Microsoft employees themselves |
| 20:38.13 | ScytheBlade1 | he has enough weight that it wouldn't be outright theift, let me put it that way :P |
| 20:38.23 | ralfWORK | eh |
| 20:38.34 | ralfWORK | the betas they give out pretty easily with MSDN |
| 20:39.06 | Shirik | but I don't have an MSDN subscription :P |
| 20:39.07 | Shirik | I should |
| 20:39.18 | Shirik | If I had MSDN I would have full version of 2008 too |
| 20:39.20 | ralfWORK | pretty worthless, imo |
| 20:39.30 | ralfWORK | almost every place I've worked has one |
| 20:39.37 | ralfWORK | and where do those CDs go every month? |
| 20:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, last one. Lib path? |
| 20:39.38 | ralfWORK | in a box |
| 20:39.45 | ralfWORK | that no one ever opens again |
| 20:40.07 | ralfWORK | "wow neat you have beta copies of windows 95!" |
| 20:40.08 | ralfWORK | :P |
| 20:41.01 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: So it's in a different path? |
| 20:41.03 | Shirik | Not the default library folder? |
| 20:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 20:41.19 | Shirik | do you have several libraries from that path or just one |
| 20:41.23 | Josh_Borke | ralfwork: i used it |
| 20:41.37 | art3mis | http://www.microsoft.com/infrastructure/evalu08/ |
| 20:41.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to point VS at the DDK lib directory :P |
| 20:41.46 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:42.10 | art3mis | 60-180day trials of all the new 2008 stuff |
| 20:42.13 | Shirik | you did switchover to /SUBSYSTEM:NATIVE right? |
| 20:42.34 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 20:42.40 | Shirik | you should :P |
| 20:42.42 | ScytheBlade1 | In this case, I'm just following the compile directions |
| 20:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Which include nothing about that |
| 20:42.56 | Shirik | that's in Linker->System |
| 20:43.04 | Shirik | that's wier |
| 20:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, duh |
| 20:43.15 | Shirik | everything I have read has always said to use the DDK you need to be using the native subsystem |
| 20:43.51 | Shirik | unfortunately I don't know how to change the linker's folder |
| 20:44.03 | Shirik | I could tell you how to add specific dependencies |
| 20:44.10 | Shirik | OH |
| 20:44.20 | Shirik | Linker->General->Additional library directories |
| 20:44.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I really hate this config |
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| 20:46.27 | ScytheBlade1 | But that'd be it, thanks |
| 20:46.31 | Shirik | !q Cairenn |
| 20:46.31 | batbot | Shirik, cairenn said: "welcome". |
| 20:46.40 | Shirik | Cairenn is always kind :P |
| 20:46.48 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:46.55 | art3mis | shes my kind |
| 20:46.56 | art3mis | ;) |
| 20:47.48 | kd3 | new PTR patch. gogo |
| 20:48.35 | ScytheBlade1 | gogogoing |
| 20:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Microscopic patch |
| 20:49.01 | kd3 | ya |
| 20:49.10 | deltron | TTR junk? |
| 20:49.20 | Shirik | wtb diff |
| 20:49.20 | Shirik | gogogo |
| 20:49.24 | kd3 | soon |
| 20:49.34 | alestane | Patching now Shirik. |
| 20:49.38 | Shirik | HURRY UP |
| 20:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Same, haha |
| 20:51.10 | kd3 | emails incoming |
| 20:52.10 | Amarande | so by the time it hits live, it's gonna be ... 2.4.22 or something? :) |
| 20:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Live is at build 7799 |
| 20:52.37 | ScytheBlade1 | The PTR is at 8049 |
| 20:52.41 | Amarande | 2.4.22.CasterNerf.GiveArenatoMelee.Etc.Etc.Etc. |
| 20:52.45 | kd3 | ckknight, Duman, nevcairiel: go check your inboxen |
| 20:52.55 | nevcairiel | ah new patch? |
| 20:53.05 | Amarande | say, are the S4 weapons on PTR yet? |
| 20:53.09 | kd3 | no |
| 20:53.13 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 20:53.13 | ckknight | ooh, boxen! |
| 20:53.15 | kd3 | they've been datamined from the client but there's no vendors |
| 20:53.31 | Amarande | kd3: has Blizzard gotten the clue that melee weapon bonuses and dps are out of hand yet? |
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| 20:53.51 | Falcon213 | anyone have ptr diff? |
| 20:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 20:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll be mirrored in about 20 seconds |
| 20:54.06 | Shirik | FASTER |
| 20:54.11 | haste | HARDER |
| 20:54.15 | ralfWORK | NAO! |
| 20:54.19 | zenzelezz | scooter? |
| 20:54.25 | Shirik | it was better, haste, not harder |
| 20:54.27 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/0.4.0.8031-8049.diff |
| 20:54.37 | Shirik | harder comes after better :( |
| 20:54.51 | ralfWORK | that's what she said D: |
| 20:54.54 | Amarande | or have they actually given caster weapons significant enough boosts for S4? |
| 20:55.08 | Shirik | -if ( sourceFlags == 0 or destFlags == 0 ) then |
| 20:55.08 | Shirik | -else |
| 20:55.08 | Shirik | +if ( sourceFlags ~= 0 and destFlags ~= 0 ) then |
| 20:55.11 | Shirik | lol. |
| 20:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing quite like those changes :) |
| 20:55.43 | ckknight | that's the complete opposite... |
| 20:55.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: look at the middle line |
| 20:55.59 | Shirik | ckknight: Note the else was removed |
| 20:56.17 | ckknight | oh |
| 20:56.18 | ckknight | okay |
| 20:56.20 | ckknight | lulz |
| 20:56.42 | kd3 | har at the comments at line 3419 |
| 20:56.55 | alestane | of what? |
| 20:57.00 | wereHamster | rofl, the reverted some of the stupid changes they made the last time |
| 20:57.20 | ckknight | stupid changes? |
| 20:57.27 | kd3 | -- This prevents improper positioning of the frame due to the scale not yet being set. This whole method of resizing the frame and extending the background to preserve visual continuity really screws with repositioning after a reload. I'm not sure it's going to work well in the long run. |
| 20:57.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, yeah, I saw that |
| 20:57.45 | wereHamster | ckknight, second hunk in the patch that ScytheBlade1 posted |
| 20:57.46 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 20:58.10 | alestane | There's one in the Interface Options code that says, "Table for reuse. Yay reuse!" |
| 20:58.33 | kd3 | hm... _G and getglobal(). |
| 20:58.34 | cog|work | that's gotta be zoot |
| 20:58.37 | cog|work | XD |
| 20:58.42 | alestane | And last I saw there was one in the ShapeshiftBar code that just said "?????" |
| 20:59.30 | art3mis | <jupes> i love my employer |
| 20:59.32 | art3mis | <jupes> boss setup my new voip phone (i work from home), set the extension name as 'MattLovesCock' |
| 20:59.43 | kd3 | lmao |
| 20:59.51 | art3mis | <jupes> when it's acceptable to see 'MattLovesCock' in a 40-50 employee company you know you're in a good place |
| 20:59.58 | art3mis | hah |
| 21:00.03 | alestane | My bad, it's line 127 of BonusActionBarFrame.lua..."this:RegisterEvent("UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS");-- Wha??" |
| 21:00.22 | Xinhuan | is that bad? |
| 21:00.27 | alestane | Gotta love it when not even the developers know why code is there. |
| 21:01.20 | Xinhuan | i'm more interested what stuff actually changed, rather than the ui code |
| 21:01.25 | chronx | how do i make an editbox readonly? |
| 21:01.28 | Industrial | ~seen iriel |
| 21:01.32 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 17h 4m 6s ago, saying: 'break19: I keep a couple of volumes case sensitive, and leave the boot volume alone'. |
| 21:01.38 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4d510f984e9d3a4a15a244304e5a8df8.png |
| 21:01.39 | Industrial | :< |
| 21:01.42 | Shirik | hey ScytheBlade1: You have experience compiling DLLs? |
| 21:01.50 | Xinhuan | chronox, make a OnTextChanged re-apply the old text |
| 21:01.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: no :) |
| 21:01.56 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:02.10 | Amarande | well, this wouldn't be a problem if people would mass leave Windows behind and go Linux |
| 21:02.27 | kd3 | lol... Only in 0.4.0.8031: getglobal.txt |
| 21:02.39 | Cide | Amarande: why would people? |
| 21:02.41 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:02.46 | kd3 | wait, nvm |
| 21:02.47 | Amarande | "download the client source tarball from here. type 'tar xzvf wow-ptr-client-2.4.0.yadda.tar.gz' 'cd wow-ptr-client' './configure' 'make' 'make install'" :) |
| 21:02.51 | kd3 | that's something I did |
| 21:02.51 | alestane | Or clear the keyboard focus from the EditBox. |
| 21:02.56 | Shirik | Cide: In all honesty, as much as that question has been asked |
| 21:02.58 | Shirik | why wouldn't they? |
| 21:03.12 | Cide | Shirik: because windows is easier :P |
| 21:03.15 | Shirik | I've been asking myself over the past week why the general population doesn't use a distribution like SuSE |
| 21:03.20 | Shirik | how much easier is Windows to use than KDE? |
| 21:03.22 | art3mis | Amarande: heh yeah but imagine with al the flavours of nix and windows and all the compilers and headers etc |
| 21:03.27 | ckknight | Windows is more "comfortable" |
| 21:03.32 | art3mis | Amarande: it certain would make the forums much more entertaining |
| 21:03.34 | Amarande | art3mis: that's what autoconf is for |
| 21:03.38 | Shirik | Think of old grandma that uses her computer for nothing more than email, internet,e tc. |
| 21:03.41 | Amarande | hence ./configure |
| 21:03.41 | Shirik | and has no clue how it works |
| 21:03.55 | art3mis | Amarande: and what happens when .configure fails? |
| 21:03.55 | Shirik | do you think she can use windows any better than she would have been able to use KDE with the same instruction? |
| 21:04.01 | Xinhuan | in 50 years, those grandmas wont' exist anymore |
| 21:04.06 | art3mis | thats right you have to install the thing its bitching about ;P |
| 21:04.11 | Xinhuan | and you'll have all the new grandmas that can write code :P |
| 21:04.16 | Amarande | art3mis: apt-get ftw |
| 21:04.23 | Shirik | screw apt-get |
| 21:04.24 | Shirik | emerge |
| 21:04.29 | art3mis | how well does apt-get work on solaris? |
| 21:04.43 | Shirik | portage > apt |
| 21:04.54 | Cide | Shirik: probably not, but why change for something that's 'as good' and not 'better'? |
| 21:04.54 | Amarande | art3mis: chances are, if you run solaris, you have enough of a clue that you shouldn't have to worry |
| 21:04.55 | art3mis | usr/ports > * |
| 21:05.03 | art3mis | sunx86 ;P |
| 21:05.15 | art3mis | you'd think thats the case wouldnt you amar ;P |
| 21:05.33 | art3mis | you'd think that should mstly be true for anyone who willfully uses linux too ;p |
| 21:05.36 | Amarande | it's not like sun goes out of their way to promote solaris on the desktop like linux people do :) |
| 21:05.41 | art3mis | sadly such is not the norm ;) |
| 21:06.00 | art3mis | thats because sun isnt a desktop ;P |
| 21:06.06 | Shirik | Sun should be working on improving their java chips |
| 21:06.09 | art3mis | its a way of life! |
| 21:06.12 | Shirik | not promoting Solaris for desktop environments |
| 21:06.12 | Amarande | chances are, if you even know about solaris, you're a significantly above average user |
| 21:06.26 | art3mis | hey shirik |
| 21:06.31 | kd3 | bah. need to come up with a .dbc parser of some sort |
| 21:06.34 | art3mis | you like doing kernel debugger stuff right? |
| 21:06.46 | Shirik | Does anyone actually "enjoy" doing that? |
| 21:06.52 | Amarande | sadly, one of the problems with commercial software |
| 21:06.57 | art3mis | appearantly the job i didnt get needs someone that does ;P |
| 21:06.59 | Amarande | is that you actually have to be nice to your customers |
| 21:07.10 | Amarande | in open source forums, you can actually get away with calling someone a cluebie or a fsckwit |
| 21:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: they exist |
| 21:07.20 | Cide | or a fuckwit |
| 21:07.23 | Shirik | art3mis: Unfortunately I will likely be in school for the next two years |
| 21:07.28 | Amarande | Cide: fsckwit is geekier |
| 21:07.30 | Shirik | if they have that slot open for two years, there's a big problem |
| 21:07.39 | art3mis | was talking to him on the phone and he says "so if a program crashes right after you install it what do you do?" i run through basic troubleshooting, make sure you've got perms yadda yadd yadda |
| 21:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/Category:World_of_Warcraft_DBC_Files |
| 21:07.54 | art3mis | the answer he wanted was "fire up drwatson and go look at the core" |
| 21:07.59 | Cide | Amarande: ya, but if someone is at a support forum, chances are he or she will be more offended by the non-geeky alternative |
| 21:08.06 | Shirik | haha |
| 21:08.20 | art3mis | i mean honestly who the fuck uses dr.watson for ANYHING |
| 21:08.30 | Shirik | I didn't even realize it still exists |
| 21:08.33 | Shirik | I used it a LONG time ago |
| 21:08.38 | art3mis | on purpose? |
| 21:08.41 | Shirik | well |
| 21:08.43 | art3mis | or becuase you didnt know better |
| 21:08.44 | Shirik | it was kinda already there |
| 21:09.00 | Shirik | and because I didn't know better :P |
| 21:09.04 | Amarande | heh, is it even usable for anything? |
| 21:09.13 | art3mis | so yeah my job i really really really wanted was mis-stated and sadly i dont qualify for that level of nerdhood |
| 21:09.15 | Shirik | it was useful in determining that my program crashed |
| 21:09.17 | Amarande | I think I tried to use it once or twice, and couldn't discern any useful results |
| 21:09.21 | ralfWORK | he fixes my computer :( |
| 21:09.31 | Shirik | You know what I really miss? Crashguard |
| 21:09.33 | Amarande | I mean, I already KNEW the program was crashing ... lol |
| 21:09.40 | art3mis | crashguard |
| 21:09.46 | ScytheBlade1 | actually |
| 21:09.49 | Shirik | It actually worked every so often |
| 21:09.50 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: http://wowdev.org/wiki/index.php/DBC bottom of the page |
| 21:09.51 | art3mis | the cause of more lockups on pcs than the crash itself |
| 21:10.08 | Shirik | It saved my ass a few times :P |
| 21:10.35 | Shirik | and anti-freeze |
| 21:11.00 | chronx | is there any difference in <offset x="10" y="10"/> and <offset><absdimension x="10" y="10"/></offset> ? |
| 21:11.23 | Shirik | one's harder to type |
| 21:11.30 | chronx | yeah, heh |
| 21:11.56 | art3mis | oh at this other interview today was talking to head nerd guys and they asked "what would you do if a client how was connected directly to a cable modem couldnt access sites" |
| 21:12.09 | art3mis | went through the check cables make sure its powered on etc |
| 21:12.21 | art3mis | ping other places to see if the dns was just screwed, check firewall |
| 21:12.44 | art3mis | i got to see if norton was installed and remove it completely if it was to save future hassles.. |
| 21:12.52 | art3mis | and the both busted out laughing |
| 21:13.01 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:13.03 | art3mis | and one of them says "dear god i hate that suite" |
| 21:13.33 | art3mis | oh and i have d&d by stephen lynch as my ring tone |
| 21:13.53 | art3mis | phone goes off during the interview and in 3 seconds oe guy says "thats stephen lynch right...d&d?" |
| 21:14.01 | art3mis | so that interview went awesome ;P |
| 21:14.06 | Shirik | nice |
| 21:14.12 | Shirik | except you're supposed to turn off your phone >< |
| 21:14.18 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 21:14.21 | art3mis | i know i totlly fergot ;P |
| 21:14.31 | art3mis | we even all had a moment of silence for gary |
| 21:14.35 | art3mis | then continued the interview |
| 21:15.02 | ralfWORK | yea, honestly I usually leave my phone in the car for that kinda thing |
| 21:15.07 | ralfWORK | I don't want them even hearing it vibrate |
| 21:15.18 | art3mis | i thought it was switched to vibrate |
| 21:15.19 | Shirik | someone please help this poor soul http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=85100#post85100 |
| 21:15.20 | Cide | but the vibrations feel sooo good |
| 21:15.23 | art3mis | i was wrong ;P |
| 21:15.24 | Shirik | I can't bring myself to answer the question |
| 21:15.26 | Cide | errrr |
| 21:16.39 | art3mis | "remember all those jokes about cake that you didnt understand?" |
| 21:17.36 | art3mis | http://x019.uploaderx.net/x/Wet%20floor%20sparta.JPG |
| 21:18.13 | Shirik | lua> s = "74 68 65 20 63 61 6b 65 20 69 73 20 61 20 6c 69 65 21"; for c in s:gmatch("%x%x") do print(string.char(tonumber(c, 16))) end |
| 21:18.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: t, h, e, , c, a, k, e, , i, s, , a, , l, i, e, ! |
| 21:18.18 | art3mis | http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/4068940/2/istockphoto_4068940_more_workplace_mishaps.jpg <-- we need mroe signs like this |
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| 21:22.43 | art3mis | So what was the bad physics joke? Oh, well, it really is bad. I was in the middle of saying that Maxwell’s equations are coupled differential equations, but that we can decouple them and see something interesting (what will turn out to be the wave equation) by simply curling, a practice which still survives to this day as an Olympic sport….. |
| 21:23.58 | Esamynn | any linux people around? if a linux box was running out of swap space, it would be pretty obvious from /var/log/messages right? |
| 21:24.14 | art3mis | F_{\mu\nu}^{SUSY}\tilde I_\nu^{SUSY} |
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| 21:25.45 | art3mis | If you are talking about the early history of quantum mechanics and get to the part where antimatter first makes its appearance, you can ask “Can you smell what Dirac is cooking?” |
| 21:26.09 | Shirik | Esamynn: If you were running out of swap, it would be very evident |
| 21:26.14 | Shirik | I don't know if there's a message |
| 21:26.26 | Shirik | but you would be getting crazy things during startup like "cannot fork" etc |
| 21:26.37 | zenzelezz | "You must be The Real Man with huge dignity" -- "dignity", that's a new word for it... |
| 21:26.41 | art3mis | What do you get if you cross a mountaineer with a mosquito? |
| 21:26.43 | art3mis | Nothing, of course. You can’t cross a scaler with a vector. |
| 21:26.58 | Esamynn | Shirik: I'm just wondering if a system could have gotten up to it's limit, and come back down without my noticing |
| 21:27.07 | art3mis | top! |
| 21:27.08 | cog|work | ~lart3mis |
| 21:27.09 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 21:27.09 | Esamynn | I don't think that has happened |
| 21:27.21 | art3mis | cog|work: you cant tell me you didnt giggle at any of those ;P |
| 21:27.26 | Esamynn | because I've never actually SEEN the free swap dip below 1 GB |
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| 21:28.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: `free -m` |
| 21:28.11 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:28.15 | art3mis | Werner Heisenberg was pulled over for speeding. The police officer walked up to the car, leaned in the window and asked, “Do you know how fast you were going?” |
| 21:28.15 | Shirik | you have 1GB swap? |
| 21:28.16 | art3mis | Doctor Heisenberg replied: “No, but I know exactly where I was.” |
| 21:28.23 | Esamynn | 2 GB actually |
| 21:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: and no, it wouldn't be logged. What WOULD be logged, is processes being killed due to lack of memory. |
| 21:28.33 | Shirik | I don't think you have anything to worry about >< |
| 21:28.57 | Esamynn | Shirik: it's a server box, and I have a service that might have a memory leak |
| 21:29.16 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: what would that look like? |
| 21:29.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: It'd be in the dmesg. "process killed, lack of memory" + pages of general output |
| 21:29.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I would replicate it here, but whenever WoW is killed due to lack of memory, it writes out a 2GB dumpfile and locks me up for several minutes |
| 21:30.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: check `free -m` - that'll answer a lot of your memory concerns |
| 21:30.20 | wereHamster | can't you limit the size of the dumpfile? |
| 21:30.22 | Esamynn | so a grep for "mem" would turn up something is what you are telling me? |
| 21:30.35 | ScytheBlade1 | A grep for mem or memory would, yes |
| 21:30.38 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd be in the dmesg |
| 21:30.46 | Esamynn | dmesg? |
| 21:30.47 | Shirik | try "fork" too |
| 21:30.48 | Shirik | just in case |
| 21:30.50 | batrick | hi friends |
| 21:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: `dmesg` |
| 21:31.04 | art3mis | “What’s wrong with you? Why don’t you look where you’re going?” demands e^x. He then sees the fear in 3’s eyes and says “You look terrified!” |
| 21:31.05 | art3mis | “I am!” says the panicky 3. “There’s a differential operator just around the corner. If he differentiates me, I’ll be reduced to nothing! I’ve got to get away!” With that, 3 continues to dash off. |
| 21:31.16 | art3mis | “Stupid constant,” thinks e^x. “I’ve got nothing to fear from a differential operator. He can keep differentiating me as long as he wants, and I’ll still be there.” |
| 21:31.16 | art3mis | So he scouts off to find the operator and gloat in his smooth glory. He rounds the corner and defiantly introduces himself to the operator. “Hi. I’m e^x.” |
| 21:31.17 | art3mis | “Hi. I’m d / dy.” |
| 21:31.31 | Shirik | ouch |
| 21:31.32 | Shirik | owned. |
| 21:32.36 | Esamynn | ok, I didn't find anything |
| 21:32.37 | Esamynn | thanks |
| 21:32.45 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 21:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | If you are running out of swap, you can always add another swap file in addition to whatever you have |
| 21:33.33 | ScytheBlade1 | dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=1024; swapon swapfile |
| 21:33.37 | Esamynn | I don't think it's likely anyways |
| 21:34.58 | wereHamster | Esamynn, you'd see something like '??? invoked oom-killer: ..." in the dmesg output, where ??? is the process that caused the oom situation |
| 21:35.21 | Esamynn | nope |
| 21:35.26 | Esamynn | nothing like that |
| 21:35.37 | wereHamster | or this: %s: kill process %d (%s) score %li or a child |
| 21:36.48 | art3mis | Q. What is the connection between sausages and the second law of thermodynamics? |
| 21:36.50 | art3mis | A. Due to the second law of thermo, you can put a pig into the machine and get sausage, but you can’t put sausage into the machine and get the pig back. |
| 21:38.06 | Esamynn | ~lart3mis |
| 21:38.06 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
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| 21:38.30 | art3mis | 7. Thy correct answer does not prove that thou hast worked thy problem correctly. This argument convincest none, least of all thy Teacher. |
| 21:39.07 | Dezzimal | The "global data collection" switch turns off all data collection in recount right? |
| 21:39.30 | art3mis | Two fermions walk into a bar.Bartender: So what’ll it be? Fermion 1: I’ll have a gin and tonic.Fermion 2: Dammit! That’s what I wanted! |
| 21:40.48 | Lopeppeppy | art3mis, can I recommend a good strong valium/ |
| 21:40.56 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:41.09 | art3mis | Amplitudes can then be expressed in terms of the two-dimensional Green function |
| 21:41.09 | art3mis | G (σ, τ) = ∫ d ν Iν(σ) R(σ, τ; ν) , |
| 21:41.12 | art3mis | where I = ℑ J is the Imbessel function, R is the retarded potential, and ν is a dummy variable. |
| 21:41.31 | art3mis | im reading bad physics jokes ;P |
| 21:41.56 | art3mis | A physicist, a biologist and a chemist all go on a beach trip for the first time in their lives. When they get there, the biologist is in awe with all the aquatic animals and the algae and all the biodiversity around him, so he decides to go explore the ocean. As he’s never been to the beach before, he drowns upon getting into the water… |
| 21:42.04 | art3mis | Meanwhile, the physicist has been observing the waves. Water moving back and forth, and back and forth, and back and forth. He then decides that it’s time to do some fluid dynamics experiments with this very interesting new liquid, so he goes into the water. As he’s also never been to the beach before, he also drowns… |
| 21:42.13 | art3mis | The chemist, who has been sitting on the sand nearby, has been observing what the biologist and the physicist were doing, and how they dissappeared into the water. He then takes out a notepad and writes down one single observation: |
| 21:42.15 | art3mis | “Physicists and biologists are soluble in ocean water” |
| 21:42.21 | art3mis | heh |
| 21:48.54 | art3mis | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/Zaha_torte/portal.jpg |
| 21:48.58 | kd3 | meh, I'll just respond with the joke the head of the engineering department liked telling back when I was aerospace... |
| 21:49.09 | kd3 | "Sex is physics, love is chemistry, but kinkiness is engineering" |
| 21:49.34 | zenzelezz | so gnomes *are* particularly kinky |
| 21:49.45 | cog|work | damn straight |
| 21:50.19 | cog|work | just one look at us dancing tells the story |
| 21:50.47 | art3mis | http://rrrgroup.homestead.com/schrodinger44.jpg |
| 21:51.08 | cog|work | ut oh... |
| 21:51.22 | cog|work | i'm in a superposition of being killed or not killed by schrodinger... |
| 21:51.45 | cog|work | does that mean i can get 50% of my life insurance now? |
| 21:52.01 | zenzelezz | maybe |
| 21:52.01 | Shirik | yes, cog|work, but not exactly |
| 21:52.08 | art3mis | you'd have to prove it buy opening the box ;P |
| 21:52.13 | art3mis | err by |
| 21:52.14 | Shirik | the problem is that you are in superposition of getting 100% of your life insurance now |
| 21:52.26 | Shirik | or continuing to pay life insurance for the rest of your life |
| 21:52.41 | Shirik | given that the negative value (payment) offsets the income (100% of life insurance) |
| 21:52.43 | Shirik | You actually get $0 |
| 21:52.58 | Shirik | but only if your total payments add up to 100% of your life insurance policy |
| 21:53.02 | Amarande | the box contains a fel reaver, btw. |
| 21:53.09 | Amarande | or wait, that might be my box of angry blood elves |
| 21:53.29 | art3mis | MUON! |
| 21:53.36 | art3mis | MUON KOMBAT! |
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| 21:53.52 | cog|work | wouldn't those neutrinos have already hit shirik sometime before art3mis threw them? |
| 21:54.08 | art3mis | everything gets a saving throw cog ;P |
| 21:54.22 | Shirik | cog|work: What you fail to realize is that what I actually threw |
| 21:54.26 | Shirik | was the neutrino that art3mis threw at me |
| 21:54.30 | cog|work | or am i thinking of tachyons? |
| 21:54.34 | Shirik | since (it has been proposed that) neutrinos are antineutrinos |
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| 21:54.57 | Shirik | my head hurts now |
| 21:54.57 | art3mis | Shirik: until the big collectors are fired up we wont know for sure ;P |
| 21:55.10 | art3mis | then again |
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| 21:55.24 | art3mis | there is the possibility that even after the collectors are fired up we wont know for sure |
| 21:55.32 | Kimina | hiii ^^ |
| 21:56.00 | art3mis | is shirik positive or negative? |
| 21:56.08 | art3mis | and think carefully abou the implied answer ;) |
| 21:59.04 | cog|work | Hai Kimina! how are yaz?!! =D |
| 21:59.07 | art3mis | i wodner if i can save enough money to go to the opening of the LHC |
| 21:59.25 | Kimina | <3 |
| 21:59.46 | zenzelezz | you're late, Light's Hope Chapel was Naxxramas patch or so |
| 22:00.05 | art3mis | ~rimshot |
| 22:00.05 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 22:00.12 | art3mis | and btw |
| 22:00.17 | art3mis | it was around long before that ;P |
| 22:00.35 | zenzelezz | not in the hub form |
| 22:00.45 | art3mis | it had a fligthpath and a repair guy |
| 22:00.49 | art3mis | what more did you need? |
| 22:00.54 | zenzelezz | lots |
| 22:01.00 | art3mis | aside from the dozens of scholo and strat quests ;P |
| 22:01.26 | art3mis | nowits cluttered with muckity mucks sitting around talking nonsense |
| 22:01.37 | zenzelezz | it's a pity it's so lifeless now that Naxxramas isn't the place to be |
| 22:01.40 | Fin | I have a new joke |
| 22:01.44 | art3mis | and a druid whos entirely too excited about a little bloom |
| 22:01.46 | Fin | how does it change many dyslexics to take a light bulb? |
| 22:01.53 | Fin | </joke> |
| 22:01.58 | art3mis | 5 |
| 22:02.03 | art3mis | ^ another joke |
| 22:02.38 | art3mis | fin == 5spot ;P |
| 22:02.51 | art3mis | and now for something we hope you'll really like! |
| 22:03.02 | zenzelezz | porn? |
| 22:03.10 | art3mis | if you heard that in rockys voice you're old btw |
| 22:03.35 | art3mis | if you heard it as rocky the boxer, there's something wrong with you |
| 22:10.07 | sag_ich_nicht | VASHJ DOWN |
| 22:11.04 | Cide | years behind |
| 22:13.55 | zenzelezz | grats =) |
| 22:14.55 | foxlit | (didn't you hear? I won The Game!) |
| 22:15.05 | Cide | damn you |
| 22:15.08 | Cide | I just lost the game |
| 22:15.31 | foxlit | Ah, there we go, I just won The Game again! |
| 22:15.48 | Cide | no you didn't; you lost! |
| 22:15.58 | foxlit | Clearly not :) |
| 22:16.21 | foxlit | (that comic actually ran on the day of our first illidan kill) |
| 22:17.50 | Cide | nice |
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| 22:45.59 | kd3 | PTRs are up |
| 22:53.35 | Shirik | and PVP servers are down |
| 22:54.02 | Shirik | BG servers that is |
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| 23:04.06 | Fin | the description on this addon's detail page rules: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8362-ShitList.html |
| 23:04.28 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:04.50 | Cairenn | it's sad, actually, because "shit" is on our censor list |
| 23:05.01 | Fin | heh, well, that's sort of what I meant :) |
| 23:05.21 | Fin | I don't supposet there's an user preference option to turn that off? |
| 23:06.02 | Cairenn | newp |
| 23:06.10 | Fin | ah well |
| 23:07.25 | wereHamster | why not rename it to 'PooList'? |
| 23:07.57 | Fin | pooplist |
| 23:07.58 | dylanm_ | FecesRegistry |
| 23:08.11 | Fin | Number2List |
| 23:08.24 | dylanm_ | Sounds more like a utility function. |
| 23:08.33 | Fin | perhaps it is! |
| 23:10.13 | Cairenn | omg @ stupid advertising mistakes |
| 23:10.49 | Cairenn | "Kids are half price March 8-16! Call for details!" |
| 23:10.55 | Arcaia | wtb [WoW-0.4.0.8031-to-0.4.0.8049-enUS-patch.exe ] |
| 23:10.57 | Lopeppeppy | .... no |
| 23:11.28 | Arcaia | campus network blocks it |
| 23:11.30 | Arcaia | =| |
| 23:12.29 | Cairenn | Random_perv_001: "Hey, yeah, I saw your ad, so listen, how many of those 1/2 price kids can I get?" |
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| 23:15.45 | wereHamster | Arcaia, the filename or bittorrent? |
| 23:16.09 | Arcaia | torrent doesnt work |
| 23:16.24 | Arcaia | and the file from my normal source isnt working |
| 23:22.14 | wereHamster | do you want me to upload the patch to a http server? |
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| 23:23.55 | Arcaia | yep |
| 23:23.57 | Arcaia | would be perfect |
| 23:24.04 | Arcaia | if you could / are volunteering |
| 23:25.16 | wereHamster | sure, I'll have to d/l the patch myself first |
| 23:25.35 | wereHamster | or do you have the torrent at hand? |
| 23:27.02 | Shirik | I'm logged on to efnet for all of 2 minutes |
| 23:27.05 | Shirik | and what do I see? a netsplit. |
| 23:27.38 | Arcaia | Welcome to IRC - it enjoys your obedience. |
| 23:30.59 | Arcaia | wereHamster - I do not happen to have the torrent at hand |
| 23:31.29 | wereHamster | I'm almost there :) |
| 23:33.11 | wereHamster | I have a little php upload script, where anyone can upload a torrent and it gets automatically downloaded to a public folder where you can get the file through http :) |
| 23:33.38 | Arcaia | That's actually really cool - I want that script for my server! |
| 23:34.17 | wereHamster | I'm running rtorrent which automatically picks up torrents from a predefined directory.. |
| 23:34.50 | |pez| | Was gonna ask about that.. Need a torrentclient for that to work, right? |
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| 23:35.07 | wereHamster | Arcaia, the php script: http://pastey.net/83652 |
| 23:35.19 | wereHamster | |pez|, yeah, you need that, too :) |
| 23:35.35 | |pez| | Figured. |
| 23:37.34 | Arcaia | cool deal |
| 23:37.41 | wereHamster | Arcaia, http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/Download/ |
| 23:38.37 | Arcaia | zomg... enGB =/ |
| 23:38.47 | wereHamster | what's wrong? |
| 23:39.01 | wereHamster | do you at least have the downloader? |
| 23:39.13 | Arcaia | enUS |
| 23:39.18 | Arcaia | and ill see if i can make it work |
| 23:39.26 | |pez| | I'd love torrentclient, that could seed files through from a ftp connection. </badly explained> |
| 23:39.34 | wereHamster | upload the downloader here: http://dbservice.com/tom/upload.php |
| 23:39.37 | Arcaia | not sure how exactly they differ enUS->enGB |
| 23:39.43 | wereHamster | I'll extract the torrent from it.. |
| 23:39.51 | Arcaia | ahh thanks |
| 23:39.55 | Arcaia | I <3 you btw. |
| 23:41.49 | wereHamster | enGB patch is 20MB, enUS only 4?? |
| 23:42.10 | wereHamster | Arcaia, same directory.. :) |
| 23:43.19 | Arcaia | thanks |
| 23:43.20 | Arcaia | and yea |
| 23:43.22 | Arcaia | I donno why |
| 23:43.44 | Arcaia | I have it now - so feel free to remove it if you like |
| 23:44.35 | wereHamster | well, if anyone else needs the patch, feel free to pass them that url |
| 23:46.13 | Arcaia | cool deal =P thanks |
| 23:47.10 | wereHamster | a torrent->http service wouldn't be bad, I was thinking about making that upload script public so anyone can upload a torrent and then pick up the file through http :) |
| 23:47.28 | wereHamster | and a cron job to remove old files/torrents |
| 23:54.41 | p3lim | could be purged at a set hour every night or something |
| 23:55.14 | wereHamster | every night is a bit too often, if someone can't d/l the file right away it would get deleted |
| 23:55.49 | wereHamster | oh, email notifications when the file is d/l :) |
