| 00:08.58 | Drundia | Iriel, any news about ScrollingMessageFrames or do they take full advantage of weekends? :) |
| 00:10.43 | Iriel | They said they'd look into it. |
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| 00:26.09 | lagger | whats a texture i could use that would make a good seperator and looks pretty |
| 00:26.39 | lagger | nvm ill just make a panel |
| 00:33.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 33 dailies done today |
| 00:34.03 | ScytheBlade1 | More after my raid! |
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| 00:41.46 | Shirik | me surviving with 5 hp on archimonde = win |
| 00:46.08 | Cairenn | lol, grats |
| 00:47.19 | bleeter | idly wonders who the peanut is at Blizz who screwed up wrt the TZDATA files on their servers |
| 00:47.38 | kd3 | you all off an hour? |
| 00:47.42 | bleeter | not as if there wasn't major maint last week where they could've pplied the fix |
| 00:47.46 | bleeter | kd3: every Oceanic, yup |
| 00:48.27 | bleeter | I'd hate to be a GM... 'did you mean you hit the boss @ 7PM realmtime, or 7PM your desk time?' etc. |
| 00:49.13 | bleeter | kd3: I'd like to think they'll fix it with a rolling restart on those realms, but knowing Blizz they'll do it @ around 8 or 9PM our time ;) |
| 00:49.29 | bleeter | </rant> |
| 00:49.53 | Amarande | I'm used to having to remember the difference between server time and my time |
| 00:49.59 | Amarande | I live in Eastern time, Quel'dorei is in Central |
| 00:50.39 | bleeter | I live in Ausland, play on a Central server where we have very few Central players in our guild, split evenly west/east |
| 00:50.53 | bleeter | so I'm constantly having to convert three TZ's as it is *brainpain* ;) |
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| 00:51.40 | bleeter | bah |
| 00:51.41 | bleeter | Guillotine: |
| 00:52.41 | Guillotine | bleeter |
| 00:53.09 | klip | is fishing and falling to sleep :p |
| 00:55.36 | Cairenn | john boy |
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| 01:02.02 | klip | 2 Deviate Fish in a row :) |
| 01:02.06 | klip | I mean 3 :) |
| 01:02.16 | batrick | shirik ping |
| 01:04.37 | Amarande | yeah, Deviate Fish seem a lot more common than their price suggests |
| 01:04.47 | Amarande | It's probably why they're not even the most valuable Azerothian fish by a longshot |
| 01:05.02 | Amarande | Trying to remember what was ... it was something that cooked into MP5 food |
| 01:05.31 | klip | on server I play it is 1 Deviate fish = 1 g |
| 01:05.36 | Amarande | Then again, getting deviate fish seems to be a bit of a pain if you don't have a high level character |
| 01:05.52 | klip | about 28 % rate |
| 01:06.06 | klip | in barrens oasis |
| 01:06.09 | Amarande | unless the outdoors Barrens pools work as well as WC |
| 01:06.33 | Amarande | I did my deviate fishing in WC (was 60 or 61 at the time I think), so I don't know about the Barrens pools |
| 01:06.47 | klip | I have just 247 :) |
| 01:07.03 | Amarande | Character level 60 or 61. I think I was in the 250's with fishing. |
| 01:07.14 | klip | close to lvl 40, need some gold for mount and spells :) |
| 01:07.16 | Amarande | With Nat Pagle's super awesome fishing rod |
| 01:08.04 | klip | well, deviate fish is fishable at 100+ of fishing I guess :) maybe less, I have been fishing it some time |
| 01:08.54 | klip | I got Big Iron Fishing Pole, droped from underwater cage in Desolace, south from shadowprey village :) |
| 01:09.09 | klip | its only +20 |
| 01:10.11 | Drundia | level 19 twinks fish deviates |
| 01:11.40 | klip | also one day i'll go hunt for recipe for savory deviate delight :) drops randomly from anything in barrens :) |
| 01:11.46 | Amarande | klip: you Alliance or Horde? |
| 01:11.56 | klip | horde :) |
| 01:12.08 | Amarande | ahh, you will be able to get one fishing pole that's better without having to do the contest then |
| 01:12.19 | Amarande | for Alliance, that's as good as it gets without the contest (another reason to be horde :) |
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| 01:12.44 | klip | I'm curious if people are buying deviate fish because of alchemy or because of savory deviate delight :) |
| 01:12.52 | Guillotine | deviate delight |
| 01:12.54 | Guillotine | for sure :P |
| 01:12.55 | kd3 | ^ |
| 01:13.00 | klip | I think so :)) |
| 01:13.25 | Guillotine | I leveled up to 31x in fishing fishing nothing but deviates |
| 01:13.26 | kd3 | whee... we're a few hours away from getting the port to IQD |
| 01:13.29 | Guillotine | I love the costumes so muchj |
| 01:13.49 | Amarande | Any idea what the Blizzard timetable is for opening the three last Sunwell bosses? |
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| 01:13.54 | kd3 | nope |
| 01:14.01 | kd3 | my guess was 2 resets per gate |
| 01:14.25 | klip | Amarande: what do you mean? "get one pole that's better without having to do the contest"? :) |
| 01:16.09 | klip | haha, just caught pattern for Red Linen Robe |
| 01:16.19 | klip | Already known :) |
| 01:21.38 | klip | hm, just got an idea for an addon... ignore all messages from level 1 players... 99.999% of those messages are spammers |
| 01:22.08 | klip | not sure if that is possible |
| 01:22.13 | klip | but I think so |
| 01:24.46 | Drundia | there are addons which /who whisperers and ignore them if they are like level 1 |
| 01:25.00 | klip | I must get one :) |
| 01:26.22 | Guillotine | the problem is the first time you get a message from someone it can take ~5 seconds for it to appear |
| 01:26.59 | Drundia | i'd try to filter some messages containing gold-selling keywords |
| 01:27.33 | bleeter | spammenot, bugmenot.. both great addons |
| 01:28.02 | klip | bleeter: thanks for tips |
| 01:46.24 | Cairenn | http://boycottcreative.com/Newegg_Backup.html |
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| 02:06.26 | Tain | Anyone know how to trigger the "release to graveyard" window? I got kicked out of the server, came back and I'm dead, but I'm just staring at my corpse and can't do anything. |
| 02:09.09 | Drundia | maybe RepopMe() |
| 02:14.14 | Shirik | gah |
| 02:14.19 | Shirik | archimonde is such a pita |
| 02:16.13 | Nechckn | just like that Shirik |
| 02:16.16 | Nechckn | geez |
| 02:16.39 | Nechckn | Oh.. err... nvm ;-) |
| 02:19.56 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:21.56 | Nechckn | come now... "archimonde is..." |
| 02:22.02 | Nechckn | follow up with my comment |
| 02:22.17 | Nechckn | Aren't you collegiate types supposed to be sharp as tacks? |
| 02:24.29 | Cairenn | boggles, "Omg, it's a Tain!" |
| 02:32.35 | Shirik | I am |
| 02:32.41 | Shirik | Im not dying until the rest of my raid dies |
| 02:32.50 | Shirik | unless, I dunno Im confused now |
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| 02:39.02 | AbsoRayne | yawns |
| 02:46.01 | Shirik | YES! |
| 02:46.05 | Shirik | Hes down! :D |
| 02:46.12 | Shirik | (Horde server first, Im happy now) |
| 02:46.23 | Nechckn | Awesome, congratulations! |
| 02:48.16 | NightHawkTheSane | grats :D |
| 02:48.46 | Shirik | people died at 12% that almost screwed us |
| 02:50.25 | Shirik | 3x helm of the forgotten vanquisher lol |
| 02:55.50 | kd3 | whee for screwing with the people standing next to exasrch nasuun |
| 02:56.00 | kd3 | is throwing up shat portals on occasion where the IQD portal would be |
| 02:57.36 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:57.38 | Shirik | youre so mean |
| 03:01.22 | Drundia | they always drop 3 same tokens.... |
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| 03:02.05 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 03:02.19 | Kirov | yarly! |
| 03:02.20 | Shirik | or is that just like a yeah we always get crappy luck statement |
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| 03:04.52 | NightHawkTheSane | its that. :P |
| 03:05.40 | leftbracket | is there an easy way to debug an addon memory usage issue? |
| 03:05.51 | leftbracket | i keep running out and my interface dies |
| 03:06.07 | Shirik | define dies |
| 03:06.20 | leftbracket | no new windows open, no menus open, buttons rarely work |
| 03:06.22 | leftbracket | i have to alt-f4 |
| 03:06.32 | Shirik | is it due to an addon you are writing? |
| 03:06.44 | leftbracket | nope, just usage |
| 03:07.04 | leftbracket | i'm looking at performancefu but the individual addons dont use any more memory than initially |
| 03:07.16 | Shirik | then really youre just going to have to do a binary search disable |
| 03:07.23 | Shirik | disable half your addons, try it, see if it works or not |
| 03:07.30 | leftbracket | arg :( it takes ~2hours before it happens usually |
| 03:07.39 | Shirik | o.o I thought it was right when you zone out? |
| 03:07.59 | leftbracket | no, just eventually my addons give an error "memory allocation too big" |
| 03:08.14 | Shirik | thats..... odd |
| 03:08.15 | leftbracket | http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=memoryusagedj6.jpg |
| 03:08.24 | leftbracket | thats about 10 minutes before it happens right ther |
| 03:08.54 | Shirik | that error shouldnt happen |
| 03:08.56 | leftbracket | whats being used by that ~48MB ram that isn't "addon memory" |
| 03:09.00 | Shirik | unless someone is doing something really stupid |
| 03:09.06 | Shirik | no its probably garbage |
| 03:09.16 | Shirik | you can tweak the GC but that may or may not be a good idea |
| 03:09.27 | leftbracket | and performancefu's "force garbage collection" doesn't lower it |
| 03:09.39 | leftbracket | well i'll go ahead and disable half my addons, yay :P |
| 03:09.39 | Shirik | that is a very bad idea to call |
| 03:09.53 | Shirik | youll screw with the GC rate if you force a GC |
| 03:10.34 | Shirik | soooo |
| 03:10.39 | Shirik | I dont really have a solution for you though |
| 03:10.46 | Shirik | do you have visual studio? |
| 03:10.49 | leftbracket | yes |
| 03:11.08 | Shirik | this is a stretch; I dont know how well it will work |
| 03:12.05 | Shirik | you might be able to load the lua dll with source and then when the problem occurs, attach and look where Lua is and try to examine its state |
| 03:12.05 | Shirik | but that is going to be extremely difficult |
| 03:12.05 | Shirik | not to mention warden might not like that |
| 03:12.05 | leftbracket | yea i dont want to get banned for attempting to "hack" wow =0 |
| 03:12.37 | leftbracket | is there a way to trace memory usage by addons? |
| 03:12.56 | leftbracket | see which are allocating/deallocating and how much? |
| 03:13.01 | Shirik | yes, and performancefu should be able to do it for you, but I dont think thats going to give you a relevant amount of information |
| 03:13.11 | Shirik | it seems something more internal |
| 03:13.23 | leftbracket | if its all garbage, something is chewing up ram, i might see something |
| 03:13.31 | leftbracket | just a guess |
| 03:13.54 | Shirik | not if its considered to be in Blizzard memory though |
| 03:14.29 | leftbracket | well, performancefu sees the memory usage, its not like i'm running out of ram here |
| 03:14.52 | Shirik | but it only sees what wow considers to be memory for that addon |
| 03:14.59 | Shirik | every addon has a component of usage thats considered to be in Blizzard memory |
| 03:15.04 | Shirik | so it might be hidden |
| 03:15.52 | Shirik | plus if you have ace addons, a lot of the memory will be hidden inside the library |
| 03:16.17 | leftbracket | ok |
| 03:16.44 | Shirik | I mean, its very possible itll show you |
| 03:16.48 | Shirik | but its not perfect |
| 03:17.13 | leftbracket | i might've spotted it already |
| 03:17.29 | leftbracket | censusplus is going up and down over and over |
| 03:18.17 | leftbracket | well i'll mess around and see what happens, thanks |
| 03:18.18 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:18.29 | Shirik | and if you zone into a ton of information, perhaps its trying to do too much at once |
| 03:18.31 | Shirik | very possible |
| 03:25.07 | Drundia | i might be wrong but total addon memory may refer to memory used by what is considered addons and the rest is used by framexml |
| 03:25.28 | Drundia | aka core ui |
| 03:32.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5640885503&sid=1 |
| 03:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Good times |
| 03:35.30 | kd3 | whee as most of the population of my realm descends on nasuun to watch him go from 99 to 100% |
| 03:39.41 | Elessdy | on who? |
| 03:44.32 | kd3 | exarch nasuun, the guy where g'eras was |
| 03:45.18 | kd3 | eesh... my 8600's barely keeping up. 10fps |
| 03:45.30 | Corrodias | what does he do? |
| 03:45.37 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Exarch_Nasuun |
| 03:46.10 | Corrodias | you could just say "he ..." |
| 03:46.37 | kd3 | I wrote the wiki article. why not pimp it? |
| 03:46.57 | Corrodias | it doesn't say he -does- anything upon sunwell stage milestones. |
| 03:47.02 | Corrodias | why are people watching? |
| 03:47.08 | kd3 | the portal spawns right behind him |
| 03:47.13 | kd3 | he's the one with the progress report |
| 03:53.14 | kd3 | whee... http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2315/portalmadnessos8.jpg |
| 03:55.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | So when the portal spawns, will they all take it? |
| 03:56.31 | kd3 | probably |
| 03:56.35 | kd3 | if outland doesn't crash first |
| 04:00.33 | Kirov | kd3 - someone reskinning the name plates? |
| 04:00.42 | kd3 | that's aloft |
| 04:01.01 | Kirov | aloft? |
| 04:02.11 | kd3 | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Aloft |
| 04:02.30 | Kirov | ah |
| 04:02.35 | Kirov | yeah, just found it |
| 04:02.49 | Kirov | I hadn't heard of any mods that modified those yet apart from one I wrote |
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| 04:03.07 | Kirov | Not since an old pre-2.0 one that resorted them onscreen |
| 04:03.40 | kd3 | the original was "Nameplates modifier" iirc |
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| 04:12.59 | batrick | Shirik: how close are you to being finished |
| 04:13.15 | Guillotine | is there an easy way to securehook an object script (such as OnShow)? |
| 04:14.10 | dylanm | HookScript? |
| 04:14.40 | dylanm | Added in 2.1 or so. |
| 04:16.47 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb someone else in this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5640935630&postId=56402582317&sid=1 |
| 04:17.19 | leftbracket | is it possible something is stopping my garbage collection altogether? |
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| 04:17.34 | leftbracket | performancefu says my last GC was just about 1 hour ago now |
| 04:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | erm, not really, as it's incremental |
| 04:17.40 | leftbracket | and i'm at 112MB |
| 04:17.48 | leftbracket | about to crash |
| 04:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | There was a bug fix for that some time ago |
| 04:18.03 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|office: ping |
| 04:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|office: so you're asleep, never mind |
| 04:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, lol |
| 04:19.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I forgot who you were :P |
| 04:20.09 | kd3 | bah |
| 04:20.16 | kd3 | WTB arena tournament style npc collision |
| 04:20.26 | kd3 | we're stuck at 99% because people can't turn in |
| 04:20.29 | ScytheBlade1 | qft |
| 04:20.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:20.35 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:20.41 | ScytheBlade1 | So pro |
| 04:21.29 | batrick | shirik scroll up damn it! |
| 04:21.36 | Shirik | hm? |
| 04:21.37 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:21.51 | Shirik | decently close, I just havent had time |
| 04:21.56 | Shirik | sorry :( |
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| 04:26.26 | batrick | batbot seems to have crashed |
| 04:27.18 | batrick | Shirik: ok, i'm just hoping to get a beta version out :( |
| 04:29.33 | Shirik | WobWork: ping |
| 04:29.41 | kd3 | whee! 100% |
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| 04:31.04 | batrick | wereHamster: ping |
| 04:32.20 | Shirik | batrick: I really want to too, but these last few weeks have been hell |
| 04:32.28 | Shirik | and Im sorry because its not fair to you :/ |
| 04:33.40 | batrick | hopefully school eases up soon :) |
| 04:34.05 | batrick | somehow wereHamster (accidently) crashed batbot lol |
| 04:34.14 | batrick | no idea how cuz i stopped logging raw irc packets long ago :( |
| 04:35.10 | kd3 | ahaha at everyone doing the same quest at the same time... train of players instead of npcs |
| 04:37.22 | WobWork | Shirik: what's up? |
| 04:37.31 | Shirik | but report for xparky? ^^; |
| 04:37.34 | Shirik | bug* |
| 04:37.42 | WobWork | sure, hit me |
| 04:37.48 | Shirik | When showing reputations, it shows xxx/yyy |
| 04:38.01 | Shirik | but yyy is total, that is, if youre going for honored it says 9000 instead of 6000 |
| 04:38.09 | Shirik | because 9000 = 6000+3000 (friendly+honored) |
| 04:38.14 | Shirik | but xxx doesnt show total |
| 04:38.26 | WobWork | ah, it shouild be 3000 + xxx |
| 04:38.27 | Shirik | so like right now I see 11/21000 going for revered |
| 04:38.44 | WobWork | or 21000-yyy |
| 04:39.11 | Shirik | I would advocate dropping the 21000 to the 12000 |
| 04:39.14 | Shirik | or whatever it is |
| 04:39.19 | Shirik | lua> 21000-9000 |
| 04:39.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: 12000 |
| 04:39.22 | Shirik | yeah |
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| 04:40.14 | batrick | !lua 1 |
| 04:40.14 | batbot | batrick: > 1 |
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| 04:41.09 | dylanm | Oh boy another page full of plugins to Saeris' mods from Saeris. |
| 04:45.19 | AbsoRayne | sighs |
| 04:45.33 | AbsoRayne | Im assuming everyone has that someone in their guild that wants to be the superhero of everything? |
| 04:46.11 | Shirik | superhero of everything? |
| 04:46.47 | Guillotine | lol |
| 04:47.05 | batrick | i thought that was the guild leader? |
| 04:48.12 | batrick | I mean, when I was GM, I had dreams of myself with a cloak in tights flying around settling loot disputes |
| 04:48.17 | kd3 | and lmao at today's xkcd |
| 04:51.07 | AbsoRayne | No, my GMs awesome |
| 04:51.21 | AbsoRayne | my one 'High Council' guy is a douche |
| 04:52.12 | AbsoRayne | He wanted nothing to do with Hyjal, only wanted SSC, no other raids, and now since im saying that I want to do TK one day a week and hyjal one now his schedule has magicly changed so he has THAT night off, and he wants to lead it cause thats all he wants to do. |
| 04:53.19 | AbsoRayne | ./rant off |
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| 05:00.42 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 05:00.51 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone here who is AWESOME at html? |
| 05:01.32 | Cairenn | <b><u>AWESOME</u></b> |
| 05:01.42 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:02.49 | sag_ich_nicht | that's not enough Cairenn |
| 05:03.01 | Cairenn | giggles |
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| 05:05.13 | Nechckn | Cairenn flexes her HTMuscle! |
| 05:05.24 | Nechckn | HTMuscLe I suppose |
| 05:05.31 | batrick | there's some terrible puns flying around |
| 05:05.47 | batrick | well i guess that wouldn't be a pun |
| 05:05.50 | batrick | but it smells like one |
| 05:06.17 | Nechckn | close enough, eh? |
| 05:06.23 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 05:06.51 | Cide | if it looks like a pun, sounds like a pun, and walks like a pun, it is a pun |
| 05:07.31 | batrick | ur fase is a pun |
| 05:07.51 | Cide | nou |
| 05:08.24 | Nechckn | Oh my |
| 05:08.51 | Nechckn | I.never. |
| 05:08.53 | Nechckn | ehheeh |
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| 06:31.33 | Cairenn | BOO |
| 06:32.54 | Industrial | aah! |
| 06:34.21 | Cairenn | too quiet in here |
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| 06:35.27 | Nechckn | The crickets are deafening! |
| 06:35.42 | Nechckn | there's another for the pun bin |
| 06:35.48 | Kirov | Nechckn - don't stick them in your ears then |
| 06:35.57 | Nechckn | Ohhh good point |
| 06:36.00 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Cairenn!n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (that should rile things up a bit ;)) |
| 06:36.21 | Nechckn | darn it, I knew something was wrong with doing so.. but the box had no warnings about doing so |
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| 06:36.54 | Shirik | hides |
| 06:37.00 | Cairenn | you can run |
| 06:37.03 | Nechckn | Then... I went to the people who develo... err, provide the Crickets and complained that there was no warning! |
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| 06:39.17 | RandomGuy | Hi everyone! |
| 06:39.21 | Cairenn | hi |
| 06:39.26 | Cairenn | OMG! |
| 06:39.28 | RandomGuy | how to code addons plz? |
| 06:39.41 | Cairenn | there really is a_random_user_001 ! |
| 06:40.07 | RandomGuy | ? |
| 06:40.14 | Cairenn | nothing, just being a smartass |
| 06:40.23 | Nechckn | RandomGuy you know what... Cairenn says that if you don't know already that she will come to your house and create any you like |
| 06:40.31 | Cairenn | hahahahhaa |
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| 06:41.02 | RandomGuy | Cairenn knows how to code addon? |
| 06:41.04 | Nechckn | Reeeeooooooooowwwww |
| 06:41.05 | RandomGuy | tell me plz! |
| 06:41.07 | Roblibob | RandomGuy: try reading up on wowwiki.com |
| 06:41.18 | RandomGuy | too hard |
| 06:41.23 | Nechckn | No.. but she will come to your house and you will both learn together |
| 06:41.44 | Nechckn | It will be nerd heaven |
| 06:41.49 | Cairenn | not bloody likely |
| 06:41.52 | Nechckn | coding day and night... side by side |
| 06:41.55 | Cairenn | slaps Nechckn |
| 06:41.56 | Nechckn | awww..... |
| 06:42.03 | Nechckn | I'm about to have a nerdgasm |
| 06:42.07 | RandomGuy | Cairenn doesnt have my address, and with good reason |
| 06:42.21 | RandomGuy | shes been trying to get it but I wont let her ;) |
| 06:42.29 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 06:42.31 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 06:42.32 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:42.33 | Nechckn | Ha! |
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| 06:42.41 | Kirov | How else would she know where to send that mail bomb? |
| 06:42.42 | Shirik | nice try |
| 06:42.46 | Roblibob | :p |
| 06:42.47 | Nechckn | omg... Cairenn you devil |
| 06:43.08 | Shirik | my scripts > pidgins puny kicks |
| 06:43.09 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.12 | Nechckn | been after poor young Shirik all this time, eh? |
| 06:43.35 | Shirik | She makes me work so hard, I am her slave :( |
| 06:43.44 | Cairenn | snaps her whip |
| 06:43.57 | Nechckn | stop, stop... you're killing me here |
| 06:44.20 | Shirik | did you seriously not know who I was? |
| 06:44.24 | Cairenn | that's what they all say |
| 06:44.28 | Shirik | I mean hell, Im in three other channels with Cairenn |
| 06:44.30 | Cairenn | Shirik: no, I wasn't paying attention |
| 06:44.32 | Shirik | 4 actually |
| 06:44.39 | Thrae | Cairenn: No no, you shouldn't do that to Shirik |
| 06:44.55 | Cairenn | Thrae: no? |
| 06:45.01 | batrick | I would |
| 06:45.24 | Thrae | Cairenn: It's /mode +b #wowi-lounge Shirk*!*@* |
| 06:45.37 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.48 | Shirik | actually its %Shirik*!*@* |
| 06:45.50 | Cairenn | instead of banning |
| 06:46.09 | Nechckn | I saw the boot... then suddenly Randomguy came on.. so I checked the info ;-) |
| 06:46.15 | Thrae | Cairenn: Hmm, I didn't know Freenode supported that |
| 06:46.21 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+b %Shirik!*@*] by Shirik |
| 06:46.23 | Shirik | like that |
| 06:46.28 | Cairenn | I didn't, I really wasn't paying attention, busy working on something else |
| 06:46.29 | Shirik | except I think I can still talk |
| 06:46.30 | Nechckn | Ha! |
| 06:46.32 | Shirik | because of +o |
| 06:46.39 | Cairenn | Shirik: meh, whatever |
| 06:46.40 | Nechckn | yeah.. you can |
| 06:46.49 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b %Shirik!*@*] by Shirik |
| 06:47.16 | Shirik | Cairenn just knows Im too powerful for her :) |
| 06:47.23 | Cairenn | yeah ... right |
| 06:47.26 | batrick | until she removes your ops |
| 06:47.34 | batrick | then we'll all have a good laugh |
| 06:47.39 | Cairenn | in case you've forgotten, I can ban you from the site :p |
| 06:48.06 | Shirik | I ban myself from the site more often |
| 06:48.11 | Cairenn | true dat! |
| 06:49.46 | Nechckn | So... Shirik, any "beast" updates? |
| 06:49.53 | Shirik | well its fully together |
| 06:50.01 | Shirik | no picture because I wasnt there today, but I will be tonight |
| 06:50.10 | Shirik | hm, I need food |
| 06:50.13 | Nechckn | tease.. I swear |
| 06:50.47 | Shirik | There is like no food in my entire house |
| 06:51.02 | Shirik | batrick :( signals and systems is killing me, and I have a test on wednesday |
| 06:51.24 | Shirik | pole-zero graphs are hurting my head |
| 06:52.42 | Shirik | brb |
| 06:59.27 | Shirik|AFK | jai retourné |
| 06:59.54 | Cairenn | god I hope you figure out wtf you did to your fonts soon :p |
| 07:00.09 | Shirik | uh |
| 07:00.14 | Shirik | that was just an accented e |
| 07:00.20 | Shirik | oh, the apostrophe |
| 07:00.28 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 07:01.10 | Shirik | ~x en fr I have returned |
| 07:01.17 | Shirik | oops |
| 07:01.20 | Shirik | yeah.... |
| 07:01.38 | Cairenn | now, see, I saw that é just fine |
| 07:01.41 | Shirik | its been so long since Ive taken french, and Im sure Cairenn is happy about all the in the sentence over ther e<---- |
| 07:01.56 | Cairenn | smacks Shirik |
| 07:02.07 | Shirik | imo you need to get a better client ^^ |
| 07:02.21 | Shirik | curly apostrophes are the way of the future! |
| 07:04.46 | Nechckn | Cairenn... are you the one to whom Toronto == Florida for someone living in New York City? |
| 07:04.55 | Nechckn | or are you further South? |
| 07:05.08 | Cairenn | I'm further north |
| 07:05.18 | Cairenn | I'm in Ottawa, which is NE of TO |
| 07:05.49 | Nechckn | Ohh... hmmm.. you are not the person then- and Yes, I know where Ottawa is.. geeez |
| 07:05.51 | Shirik | Cairenn, do you know your local airport code? |
| 07:05.52 | Nechckn | =) |
| 07:05.56 | Cairenn | yow |
| 07:06.26 | Cairenn | Nechckn: a lot don't :p |
| 07:06.31 | Shirik | thats not IATA :P |
| 07:06.35 | Nechckn | yeah... punks |
| 07:06.45 | Cairenn | Shirik: /shrug |
| 07:06.54 | Shirik | found it |
| 07:06.57 | Shirik | ~weather CYOW |
| 07:07.07 | Shirik | ~weather KDAB |
| 07:07.16 | Cairenn | gee, there's a surprise shirik ... Canada YOW :p |
| 07:07.18 | Shirik | damn its cold, below 70 degrees |
| 07:07.27 | Cairenn | I hate you |
| 07:07.39 | Nechckn | ehhehe mean, mean |
| 07:08.21 | Nechckn | Just remember Cairenn, when it's over 100 there in Aug it will only be like 75 or 80 by you |
| 07:08.26 | Nechckn | on the hot days |
| 07:08.38 | Cairenn | Nechckn: wrong |
| 07:08.47 | Shirik | except I will be in Pennsylvania |
| 07:09.13 | art3mis | http://www.epiacenter.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=377 |
| 07:09.15 | Nechckn | not 75C... 75F |
| 07:09.19 | art3mis | thats kinna cool |
| 07:09.26 | Nechckn | meh.. Shirik cheats then! |
| 07:09.41 | Cairenn | Nechckn: as I said - wrong - we regularly have temps around 100F in the summer as well |
| 07:10.28 | Nechckn | not like there though... it's different Well, at least I certainly thought so for the couple o' years I was there |
| 07:10.37 | Cairenn | we have an 80 degree (C) temp variance from winter to summer |
| 07:10.49 | Nechckn | Not saying that you don't hit 100 =) |
| 07:10.57 | Shirik | i.e., she complains about the weather all the time and still lives there :P |
| 07:11.11 | Cairenn | Shirik: I don't complain in the summer time |
| 07:11.13 | Shirik | she should come to florida |
| 07:11.19 | Cairenn | I LOVE summer |
| 07:11.20 | Nechckn | Be smart... move to DC with me! |
| 07:11.30 | Cairenn | ... why? |
| 07:11.58 | Shirik | wouldnt you LOVE to have summer 365 days a year? |
| 07:11.58 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 07:11.58 | Nechckn | it's the best of both.. not uber hot in summer not uber cold - or 13 f of snow in winter |
| 07:11.58 | Nechckn | that's why |
| 07:11.58 | Shirik | it gets cold in the winter, dont listen to him |
| 07:12.00 | Shirik | ~weather kdca |
| 07:12.11 | Nechckn | oh it gets cold... just not that cold |
| 07:12.29 | Shirik | 44.1 = too cold for me |
| 07:12.33 | Nechckn | as western VA person should know.. ehheheh |
| 07:12.35 | Shirik | I intend to get a job here in florida :P |
| 07:12.45 | Shirik | my legal residence is VA actually |
| 07:13.12 | Nechckn | it's actually been going back and forth here the past few days.. it was 75, then 40 last night... today 50, etc.. |
| 07:13.39 | Nechckn | the one an hour out of roanoke, right? |
| 07:13.56 | Nechckn | sorry... folks exact locales still a bit fuzzy ;-) |
| 07:14.31 | Shirik | I live about 30 minutes south of DC |
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| 07:14.44 | Shirik | springfield if you know the area |
| 07:14.50 | Nechckn | hmmm... who was it out by Roanoke? |
| 07:14.53 | Nechckn | darnit |
| 07:15.01 | Nechckn | yeah.. I live right in DC now |
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| 07:15.39 | Nechckn | actually- perhaps you met them and had lunch at some point Shirik.. ring any bells? |
| 07:16.00 | Shirik | I had dinner with Cidan once, we live pretty close |
| 07:16.07 | Shirik | but hes not an hour out of roanoke |
| 07:16.10 | Nechckn | There we go |
| 07:16.16 | Nechckn | but he's from there- or something |
| 07:16.22 | Shirik | well maybe; I dont know where roanoke is exactly |
| 07:16.29 | Nechckn | way out west |
| 07:16.31 | Shirik | he lives practically next to me |
| 07:16.33 | Shirik | maybe 15 minutes away |
| 07:16.59 | Shirik | oh but hes going to school now |
| 07:17.00 | Nechckn | in the tip of VA out past skyline drive and all that stuff |
| 07:17.02 | Shirik | maybe thats what he was talking about |
| 07:17.12 | Nechckn | Could well be |
| 07:17.23 | Nechckn | Hey... I'm old.. brain is frail |
| 07:17.30 | Nechckn | I do what I can |
| 07:17.31 | Nechckn | ehheheh |
| 07:17.58 | Shirik | lmao: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11491182&sid=1 |
| 07:20.12 | Nechckn | when I fear monsters then more come, but I fear them again, and even more friends of monsters come, I would think if I was walking around and someone came running by me I woudl run away too, not help them fight |
| 07:20.14 | Nechckn | very nice |
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| 07:21.08 | clad|office | ScytheBlade1: yeah I was asleep, sorry about that |
| 07:21.37 | Thrae | clad|office: Who's the keeper of the Non-Ace version of AddonLoader? You or Nymbia? |
| 07:21.45 | clad|office | not nymbia |
| 07:21.52 | clad|office | not me, but i have admin on it, why? |
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| 07:23.10 | Thrae | clad|office: "Author: Cladhaire" in the ToC. It hasn't been updated since Sept., so I was wondering about it. |
| 07:23.28 | clad|office | where are you getting this? |
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| 07:23.46 | Nechckn | Shirik tht is quite the popular thread too... 7 pages/1 day not bad. |
| 07:23.49 | Thrae | clad|office: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/AddonLoader/Non-Ace/AddonLoader/ |
| 07:24.04 | Thrae | Wait, do you even use Wowace anymore? |
| 07:24.30 | clad|office | no, i use wowi |
| 07:24.31 | clad|office | http://code.google.com/p/addonloader/ |
| 07:24.37 | clad|office | but thgats what you're looking for |
| 07:25.37 | clad|office | you can glance at the resulting code to see why we wanted it in the first place :P |
| 07:25.49 | Thrae | Ah, gotcha. Seems like Tekkub has been working on it. |
| 07:26.27 | clad|office | Ammo wrote almost all of it |
| 07:26.30 | clad|office | if not all of it |
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| 07:27.53 | Thrae | clad|office: Hmm the one in GCode is still the Ace2 version. |
| 07:28.52 | clad|office | no its not |
| 07:29.20 | clad|office | hrm |
| 07:29.20 | clad|office | wtf |
| 07:29.26 | clad|office | is this a different one |
| 07:29.42 | clad|office | someone bitchslap tekkub |
| 07:29.44 | clad|office | lemme find it |
| 07:30.00 | Thrae | clad|office: Yep, I just downloaded it from /trunk. The one on Wowace is also Ace2, and Ammo is keeping that one up-to-date. |
| 07:30.14 | clad|office | wait |
| 07:30.14 | clad|office | no |
| 07:30.17 | clad|office | there is a non ace version |
| 07:30.22 | clad|office | absolutely and 100% guaranteed |
| 07:30.35 | Thrae | I thought there was... |
| 07:30.41 | clad|office | http://code.google.com/p/wow-addonloader/ |
| 07:30.45 | clad|office | fucking tekkub |
| 07:31.13 | Thrae | Ah, there we go. |
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| 07:57.37 | art3mis | hrm |
| 07:57.56 | art3mis | lets pretend im in xp with no floppy drive and my cdrom is screwed |
| 07:58.09 | art3mis | how would i wipe a hdd and make it a blank bootable drive? |
| 07:58.20 | MoonWolf | art3mis, boot from usb drive |
| 07:58.27 | art3mis | anyone know of any iso/imagers that work for hdd writing? |
| 07:58.31 | MoonWolf | need a bios that supports that though |
| 07:58.36 | art3mis | lets pretend that i cant change the boot options |
| 07:58.52 | MoonWolf | not going to work |
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| 07:59.38 | MoonWolf | you need something that isn't running off of that disk, the only way to get something on the disk that runs only in memory requires a floppy or cd in the first place |
| 07:59.42 | MoonWolf | i don't see this working. |
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| 08:00.24 | art3mis | i can take the hdd out and put it in a second machine.. but i just wanna wipe it and make it bootable |
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| 08:00.42 | art3mis | prefeal;e through a usb external case where i just "image" the drive bootable and blank |
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| 08:24.55 | Cairenn | ~productivity |
| 08:24.56 | purl | yay! i mean.. boo. |
| 08:26.53 | Cairenn | ~procrastination |
| 08:26.54 | purl | Why do today what you can put off indefinitely? |
| 08:28.02 | Cairenn | ~laziness |
| 08:28.03 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
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| 09:05.16 | Nechckn | Goodnight Cairenn, Shirik, et al! |
| 09:05.23 | Shirik | night |
| 09:05.23 | Cairenn | night Nechckn |
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| 09:24.56 | Industrial | Today, I have news to report; we are going to delay the release of WAR until Fall 2008. |
| 09:25.00 | Industrial | boo! |
| 09:25.02 | Industrial | (WAR newsletter) |
| 09:26.43 | Industrial | whats good about war is that both sides are evil bad ass looking :p |
| 09:27.28 | Cairenn | that was announced a few days ago Industrial :) |
| 09:27.42 | Industrial | not jolly jolly lets have a beer and look at me im bad but still a big teddybear :p |
| 09:27.50 | Industrial | (alliance and horde) |
| 09:27.57 | Industrial | Cairenn: oh, just got to read it now |
| 09:28.02 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 09:28.11 | Shirik | ha |
| 09:28.15 | netcurse | Waves Cairenn |
| 09:28.20 | Cairenn | hey netcurse |
| 09:28.29 | Shirik | bombing the raid boss causes What is this pathetic magic? How about you come back with 24 of your best friends and try again, blood elf! |
| 09:30.11 | Roblibob | brutallus gave us quite a spanking yesterday :( |
| 09:30.45 | art3mis | http://www.rlslog.net/crashing-vista-nvidia-drivers-responsible-for-30/ |
| 09:33.43 | Cairenn | netcurse: sorry to hear about all the probs you guys had this week, I know poor Kaelten's been tearing his hair out trying to keep you guys functional |
| 09:33.50 | Shirik | I havent had any real problems aside from windows explorer crashing |
| 09:34.10 | netcurse | it's been chaotic, this patch was nearly as hard as 2.0 |
| 09:34.15 | Cairenn | yup |
| 09:34.58 | netcurse | It's the last patch that we'll have on this code base, we are redoing it now with the same technologies as wowdb |
| 09:35.54 | Cairenn | good luck! |
| 09:36.01 | Kalroth | aspsux! |
| 09:36.01 | Lukian | art3mis, that news is over a week old now.. |
| 09:36.10 | Cairenn | art3mis: did you see this? http://boycottcreative.com/Newegg_Backup.html |
| 09:36.28 | netcurse | aspx is good |
| 09:36.29 | netcurse | :P |
| 09:37.27 | art3mis | wow thats prwetty good |
| 09:37.32 | art3mis | 5k returns in 48 hours |
| 09:37.41 | art3mis | but really who buys creative anymore |
| 09:37.52 | art3mis | they used to be the gods of audio but now it's a moot point |
| 09:41.05 | Shirik | my sound card mostly works on Vista |
| 09:41.11 | Industrial | I still have a creative jukebox 3 |
| 09:41.14 | Shirik | one tiny flaw which is limiting my uptime |
| 09:41.18 | Shirik | but aside from that its ok |
| 09:41.26 | Industrial | looks like a CD player but it has a 80gb (!) laptop HD AND a sound card |
| 09:41.55 | Industrial | doesnt mount as HD though :( |
| 09:41.59 | Industrial | and doesnt play flac |
| 09:42.05 | Industrial | I want both :p |
| 09:52.22 | Industrial | aaah lol http://xkcd.com/403/ |
| 09:52.43 | Industrial | wonder what xkcd will do tomorrow, his next strip being #404, it being the first of april and all |
| 09:53.27 | Roblibob | just pondered over the same thing :) |
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| 09:58.12 | Kalroth | hides the smurfs. |
| 09:59.59 | Industrial | lol |
| 10:14.03 | Adys | steals Kalroth's smurfs |
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| 11:04.41 | Oggie | Is there a good way to retrieve "/who" info on players other than using SendWho(...) and catching the WHO_LIST_UPDATE event? |
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| 11:09.43 | wereHamster | Oggie, no |
| 11:11.34 | Oggie | What I am trying to do is get a list of chat-channel members using ListChannelByName("channelname") and catching the CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_LIST event, then I want to list these members in a frame that shows Name, GuildName, Class and Level |
| 11:11.57 | Oggie | And SendWho'ing several names in a row doesn't work too well :P |
| 11:13.13 | wereHamster | no, there's a limit how many who queries you can send per minute |
| 11:13.41 | wereHamster | you a OnUpdate script and/or a coroutine.. |
| 11:13.43 | Oggie | And you can't SendWho for several names at once either right? |
| 11:14.10 | wereHamster | not as far as I know |
| 11:14.23 | Oggie | Guess I'll have to rethink this abit then :P |
| 11:15.55 | wereHamster | spread the who queries over a long timeframe, that should work |
| 11:17.03 | sag_ich_nicht | there is a library for this on the wowace svn |
| 11:17.06 | sag_ich_nicht | actually multiple ones |
| 11:17.10 | Oggie | WhoLib right? |
| 11:17.30 | Oggie | Haven't made an attempt to use it yet but it might be worth a shot |
| 11:18.46 | Oggie | My plan was to make a common Guild frame that shows guild-members from two different guilds (my guild broke into a raiding one and a "normal" one) |
| 11:19.21 | Oggie | So I just realized that I could get away with two SendWho queries, using "g-Guild1" and "g-Guild2" to get the complete lists |
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| 11:42.11 | zenzio | assuming none of them had more than 49 people online IIRC |
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| 12:20.23 | Cairenn | have I mentioned lately that people suck? |
| 12:20.37 | Cairenn | "I''m sorry, but we don't allow any mods on the site unless they are uploaded by the author themselves. If you would like to see the mod on the site you should contact the author and see if they'd be willing to upload it. Thank you for your understanding." |
| 12:20.50 | Cairenn | response: |
| 12:20.52 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.16 | Cairenn | just shakes her head |
| 12:21.50 | Nom | Does anyone know what the deal with Omen2 is? It keeps breaking on nearly every update (in the sense that half the raid sees one set of people, the other half sees the other half) |
| 12:22.13 | Cairenn | points at Antiarc |
| 12:22.22 | Antiarc | Wait, what |
| 12:22.25 | Cairenn | bet he'd know ;) |
| 12:22.28 | Antiarc | Nom: I've broken the protocol once |
| 12:22.31 | Antiarc | Last Friday |
| 12:22.42 | mikma | Cairenn: har har |
| 12:22.47 | Antiarc | I'll be breaking it again tomorrow to address issues and to bring traffic down very heavily |
| 12:23.00 | Antiarc | But, you raid will need to stay tightly in synch for the next week or so, I'm afraid |
| 12:23.07 | Roblibob | Oggie: I once was in a guild like that but we were fine with everyone just joining a common chat channel. :) |
| 12:24.30 | Nom | fair enough |
| 12:24.32 | Nom | chears :) |
| 12:24.51 | mikma | Cairenn: ain't it sad? i can't get "mod of fanboism" rank in wowace :( |
| 12:25.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 12:26.27 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | "I'm also just a little drunk" - Tem |
| 12:26.43 | Industrial | lol |
| 12:26.51 | Industrial | ^_^ |
| 12:27.00 | wereHamster | wait, what. was 2.4 released? |
| 12:27.03 | mikma | no |
| 12:27.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 12:27.12 | mikma | it was a ninjaupdate |
| 12:27.25 | Cairenn | yes wereHamster, it was |
| 12:27.26 | Industrial | pokes wereHamster |
| 12:27.28 | mikma | everyone logged in and was "whaddafoooook!" |
| 12:27.30 | batrick | hey wereHamster |
| 12:27.30 | Industrial | are you alive? |
| 12:27.31 | wereHamster | I havent started wow in more then two weeks. |
| 12:27.34 | batrick | what'd u do to batbot lol |
| 12:27.57 | batrick | (if you did anything intentionally) |
| 12:28.06 | Nom | wonders how many times the server will lag out in Black Temple tonight |
| 12:28.24 | mikma | anyone care to explain this? http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2008-02-22 |
| 12:28.27 | mikma | i didn't get it |
| 12:28.51 | batrick | it's mario |
| 12:28.58 | batrick | and zangamarsh has pipes? |
| 12:29.00 | Cairenn | mushrooms grow in swamps |
| 12:29.00 | batrick | lol? |
| 12:29.09 | Cairenn | marshes |
| 12:29.10 | Cairenn | etc |
| 12:29.11 | batrick | lmao |
| 12:29.16 | batrick | Cairenn's reason is better |
| 12:29.38 | mikma | heh |
| 12:36.24 | Nom | You do realise that Zangarmash is like mushrooms everywhere |
| 12:36.29 | Nom | There are mushrooms bigger than houses |
| 12:37.55 | Cairenn | opens up a big can of "told you so" |
| 12:38.17 | Cairenn | ^.- |
| 12:40.00 | krka | fact of the day: the swedish word for mushroom is "Svamp" |
| 12:40.12 | Cairenn | indeed? |
| 12:40.29 | krka | yes! |
| 12:40.32 | mikma | http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9466/pippeliwr6.jpg |
| 12:40.44 | Cairenn | that's very neat krka, thank you |
| 12:40.54 | krka | Swamp is "träsk", but i don't think you can connect that with anything else |
| 12:40.56 | Cairenn | is happy, she's learned something new for the day |
| 12:42.10 | krka | (svamp is used both for edible mushrooms and fungus in general, like in different illnesses, et.c.) |
| 12:42.12 | Cairenn | serious, not sarcastic |
| 12:42.37 | Cairenn | I kinda agree with the concept that you should learn at least one new thing every dy |
| 12:42.40 | Cairenn | day* |
| 12:43.04 | krka | heh, "every dy" sort of made sence to me, as a mathematician |
| 12:43.27 | krka | though every dt would be even better |
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| 12:44.46 | mikma | Cairenn: so if i ask you tomorrow what's mushroom in swedish, you would remember it? |
| 12:44.57 | Cairenn | probably not |
| 12:45.04 | Cairenn | I said learn, I didn't say remember ;) |
| 12:45.28 | krka | it should be easy to remember though, seeing as how close it is to swamp |
| 12:57.58 | Nom | Server Lag Out #1 *sigh* |
| 12:58.03 | Nom | I hate this server sometimes |
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| 13:01.43 | Cairenn | morning Bela|work |
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| 13:08.56 | Bela|work | morning |
| 13:09.03 | Bela|work | how is the world today |
| 13:09.19 | Bela|work | I swear it feels like the weekend was only 4 hours long =( |
| 13:10.10 | ralfWORK | yes, it doesn feel that way, even though I had a 3 day weekend :( |
| 13:10.44 | ralfWORK | Anyone have issues with only certain people showing up on omen? |
| 13:11.00 | ralfWORK | seems like every time I've upgraded it since 2.4, I get a different mix of ppl |
| 13:11.45 | Bela|work | I dont like the new omen |
| 13:11.59 | Bela|work | as a healer, I have to rely on Global threat, since 9 times out of 10 I am not targetting a mob |
| 13:12.00 | ralfWORK | well, I don't like it not working :) |
| 13:12.13 | ralfWORK | mm k |
| 13:12.14 | Bela|work | but the global threat view is totally fubared in this omen |
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| 13:12.40 | Bela|work | so I am learning to play with no threat meter |
| 13:12.42 | Cairenn | morning Lopeppeppy |
| 13:12.45 | Bela|work | its like 2 years ago |
| 13:12.56 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cairenn! |
| 13:13.01 | ralfWORK | *shrug* |
| 13:13.12 | Bela|work | we downed Rage and Anetheron this week. Not that those are big difficulties |
| 13:13.16 | Cairenn | Bela|work: why? there are other ones out there that have been updated |
| 13:13.19 | Lopeppeppy | That was me last night, Bela|work. *nod* I cheat though, I'm a paladin healer. |
| 13:13.35 | Bela|work | can you give me an idea which? |
| 13:13.43 | ralfWORK | I mean... the only time healing aggro is an issue is when there are dumps |
| 13:13.46 | Cairenn | smacks Bela|work |
| 13:13.47 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php |
| 13:13.51 | ralfWORK | and iirc, no meters detect that dump :P |
| 13:15.10 | Bela|work | see the problem is, KTM doesn't do everything I need it to, and Omen supposedly does, but doesn't do it right |
| 13:15.20 | ralfWORK | Omen is just broken now |
| 13:15.26 | Bela|work | I don't see any other threat meters on that list |
| 13:15.30 | ralfWORK | I'm sure it'll be fixed. but you answered the question |
| 13:15.44 | ralfWORK | "yea, omen is broken for more people than just me" |
| 13:15.59 | Bela|work | I am sure they are acctively fixing it |
| 13:16.04 | Bela|work | heck 3 days ago it didn't work at all |
| 13:16.43 | Cairenn | ralfWORK: |
| 13:16.57 | ralfWORK | Cairenn: |
| 13:17.00 | Cairenn | (8:23:34 AM) Nom: Does anyone know what the deal with Omen2 is? It keeps breaking on nearly every update (in the sense that half the raid sees one set of people, the other half sees the other half) |
| 13:17.00 | mikma | Bela|work: so. why won't NECB show me some bars? :O |
| 13:17.00 | Cairenn | (8:23:57 AM) ***Cairenn points at Antiarc |
| 13:17.00 | Cairenn | (8:24:06 AM) Antiarc: Wait, what |
| 13:17.00 | Cairenn | (8:24:09 AM) Cairenn: bet he'd know ;) |
| 13:17.00 | Cairenn | (8:24:12 AM) Antiarc: Nom: I've broken the protocol once |
| 13:17.02 | Cairenn | (8:24:15 AM) Antiarc: Last Friday |
| 13:17.04 | Cairenn | (8:24:26 AM) mikma: Cairenn: har har |
| 13:17.06 | Cairenn | (8:24:31 AM) Antiarc: I'll be breaking it again tomorrow to address issues and to bring traffic down very heavily |
| 13:17.09 | Cairenn | (8:24:44 AM) Antiarc: But, you raid will need to stay tightly in synch for the next week or so, I'm afraid |
| 13:17.43 | Bela|work | mikma: the current alpha is still using the old combat log format, so if you have your default combat log filtered, you won't get everything in necb |
| 13:17.46 | ralfWORK | Cairenn: thank you very much. I missed that. |
| 13:17.54 | Bela|work | try taking off filters |
| 13:18.02 | Cairenn | you're welcome :) |
| 13:18.16 | mikma | Bela|work: the thing is: i use lifebloom on two targets. only one bar gets shown, and that doesn't come up with first or second cast :I |
| 13:18.16 | ralfWORK | that's exactly what's going on as well |
| 13:18.19 | Bela|work | and yes, I am trying my hardest to rewrite |
| 13:18.27 | ralfWORK | I just like to know thata I'm not losing my mind :D |
| 13:18.27 | Bela|work | its hard doing it myself though |
| 13:18.31 | mikma | no rush, but like, NOW PLX! |
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| 13:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | loves Antiarc and Bela|work. *nod* |
| 13:18.56 | Bela|work | I have the combat log processor done, and the timer library |
| 13:19.01 | ralfWORK | at least WWS appears to be working normalish! |
| 13:19.10 | mikma | Bela|work: oh, GTB <3 ;D |
| 13:19.10 | Bela|work | the problem now is creating teh database of spells |
| 13:19.24 | Bela|work | the old system used names, with set values, like texture and such |
| 13:19.25 | mikma | Bela|work: http://shadowed-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/GTB/ |
| 13:19.28 | Bela|work | I am switching that to spell id |
| 13:19.36 | Bela|work | and getting the data I need directly from that id |
| 13:20.29 | Bela|work | looks fairly close to what I made |
| 13:20.43 | Bela|work | I modeled mine after Candybar |
| 13:20.48 | Bela|work | to some degree |
| 13:21.10 | Bela|work | minus Ace2 mind you |
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| 13:41.25 | ralfWORK | hmm |
| 13:41.33 | ralfWORK | so I got the SSO enchant formulas yesterday |
| 13:41.46 | ralfWORK | not sure what to make of these defense enchants |
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| 13:46.24 | Cairenn | morning Seerah |
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| 14:10.25 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/march/24xpchanges.jpg |
| 14:11.43 | ralfWORK | o rly? |
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| 14:43.29 | mikma | Equipping a fishing pole will now mute the music. |
| 14:43.40 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, is THAT all it takes!? |
| 14:44.21 | ralfWORK | the FF7 win music that bigwigs plays rocks |
| 14:44.28 | ralfWORK | (so long as we are talking about music) |
| 14:44.33 | Industrial | popcornomnomnomnom |
| 14:44.50 | mikma | :D |
| 14:45.12 | Matrix110 | ralfWORK that its not FF7 anymore |
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| 14:45.14 | ralfWORK | makes me sad that many people probably don't know what I'm talking about though |
| 14:45.32 | ralfWORK | Matrix110: it is in the one I got! |
| 14:45.36 | Matrix110 | ah |
| 14:45.41 | Matrix110 | ok you selected the old one |
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| 14:45.59 | ralfWORK | I downloaded it after 2.4 |
| 14:46.09 | Matrix110 | you can afaik even select it in BigWigs |
| 14:46.14 | ralfWORK | so I guess if that makes it old... |
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| 15:03.18 | Matrix110 | iam using this BigWigs sound http://home.arcor.de/Matrix110/Victory.mp3 |
| 15:03.28 | Matrix110 | like it more than the included ones |
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| 15:04.42 | Matrix110 | (those "clicks" arent in my file though somehow they in it now OO) |
| 15:05.45 | ralfWORK | lol ok |
| 15:05.49 | ralfWORK | sorry man |
| 15:05.51 | ralfWORK | FF7 > * |
| 15:06.09 | Matrix110 | could argue ages about that:P |
| 15:08.49 | mikma | Cairenn|afk: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/isoveli_valvoo.jpg <- translation: bigbrother is watching |
| 15:11.51 | mikma | Bela|work: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/11315/ |
| 15:12.01 | mikma | oh wait, it was offline, nvm |
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| 15:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|office: no worries, it was in reference to that chat context right then. That said, I seem to remember you writing a small addon that forced the incremental garbage collection? |
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| 15:46.06 | clad|office | ScytheBlade1: yes, but the default UI does this now. |
| 15:50.39 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|office: that's what I thought. Thanks |
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| 15:51.07 | clad|office | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.11 | clad|office | kthx |
| 15:52.08 | dylanm | Is this the wiki? |
| 15:52.27 | clad|office | yes |
| 15:52.47 | dylanm | I definitely plan on contributing to that. |
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| 16:02.50 | Industrial | what wiki |
| 16:02.57 | clad|office | the companion website for the book |
| 16:02.59 | clad|office | nub |
| 16:03.00 | Industrial | (sorry I suck at design) |
| 16:03.04 | Industrial | ah k |
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| 16:07.43 | dylanm | I wish I were at all good at Photoshop. I really just get by with tasteful color choices and boxes. |
| 16:14.57 | Lopeppeppy | I cut pictures into smaller pictures with PhotoShop.... it's great fun. |
| 16:16.08 | Industrial | lol |
| 16:16.39 | dylanm | Sometimes I get feisty and throw in a gradient. |
| 16:16.45 | dylanm | Cutting out masks made from texts too. |
| 16:17.07 | Lopeppeppy | omg, a gradient? |
| 16:18.46 | dylanm | I take it to the edge. |
| 16:19.11 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. How hot. |
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| 16:31.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo. Nothing like waking up and downing lortab because EVERYTHING HURTS. |
| 16:32.23 | Lopeppeppy | offers a comfy warm soothing shower, instead of her usual hug. |
| 16:32.42 | ralfWORK | why... does everything hurt? |
| 16:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe. I don't take warm showers. |
| 16:32.57 | ralfWORK | real men take cold showers |
| 16:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I up the water heater, wait 30m, and then stick incredibly mild first degree burns on my neck |
| 16:33.21 | Lopeppeppy | Okay... that can help with some hurts, cause other hurts... masochist. *mutter* |
| 16:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:33.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I've actually only done that once |
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| 16:33.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And I didn't even notice it until the day after (because my head hurt that much at the time) |
| 16:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | But I appreciate the thought :) |
| 16:38.55 | zenzelezz | * Lopeppeppy offers a comfy warm soothing shower, instead of her usual hug. <--- did you intentionally leave out mentioning if he'd be showering alone? |
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| 16:39.11 | Shirik|Ecole | This is going to sound incredibly stupid, but I'm going to ask anyway |
| 16:39.32 | Shirik|Ecole | anyone ever heard of any OS permitting outgoing serial transmissions to go at one speed, and incoming transmissions to go at another? |
| 16:39.40 | Shirik|Ecole | POSIX or Windows, doesn't matter |
| 16:39.55 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz! *laugh* |
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| 16:41.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And Shirik|Ecole, no - but software is software! Doesn't mean that it is impossible! |
| 16:42.27 | Shirik|Ecole | well it's certainly possible |
| 16:42.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I just don't want to do timing on my own |
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| 16:45.01 | Shirik|Ecole | however I have found something really cool |
| 16:45.18 | cog|work | headdesks |
| 16:45.39 | cog|work | i used my transporter to toshley's station so i could take a screenie of myself... |
| 16:45.48 | alestane | puts a pillow on cog|work's desk. |
| 16:45.56 | cog|work | and it gave me the 1hr debuff that makes me look like anything but a gnome... |
| 16:46.00 | Shirik|Ecole | Windows has a nice function _CrtCheckHeap() which checks the heap for corruption while in debug mode. I have determined that if I use this call, the program works perfectly, and no corruption is reported. If I remove this call, the program segfaults almost immediately. |
| 16:46.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, owned |
| 16:46.11 | Shirik|Ecole | <3 cog|work |
| 16:48.03 | Drundia | clearly cheaters http://www.gorgonnash.info/realm/Zenedar |
| 16:48.41 | sylvanaar_work | you know one time, i used my trinket macro during a pull and ended up in gagetzan because i forgot to take off the transporter trinket |
| 16:49.36 | Industrial | Drundia: lol wth |
| 16:50.11 | ScytheBlade1 | sylvanaar_work: lol |
| 16:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | sylvanaar_work: that's the way to do it |
| 16:50.27 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 16:50.30 | sylvanaar_work | it was so embarassing, i had to have them port me back |
| 16:50.53 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.56 | Industrial | *pop* |
| 16:51.11 | ralfWORK | there's a quest item that'll move you to toshley's station? |
| 16:51.16 | sylvanaar_work | "what are you doing in gadgetzan wtf?", "dont ask, just port me back" |
| 16:51.17 | zenzelezz | sylvanaar_work: think that's bad? In Anarchy Online I played a class with a "teleport team" spell, and my casting speed was so high it was instant... I managed to hit that during a raid |
| 16:51.26 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 16:51.30 | Drundia | you use your transportation trinket and equip normal trinket while casting - works great |
| 16:52.27 | ralfWORK | can anyone get this item? |
| 16:52.38 | ralfWORK | thinks it could be pretty handy |
| 16:59.20 | ralfWORK | oh. it's engineering only |
| 16:59.20 | ralfWORK | boo |
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| 17:01.32 | sylvanaar_work | Shirik you mean _CrtCheckMemory() ? |
| 17:01.37 | ralfWORK | I was actually mad when I found out those Opera boots shared a cooldown with your hearthstone |
| 17:01.53 | Drundia | opera boots are hearthstone |
| 17:03.27 | ralfWORK | that's just what I said.. yea :) |
| 17:06.41 | sylvanaar_work | hehe |
| 17:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't even have a hearthstone anymore (mage) |
| 17:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I just have the boots, and I keep them in the bank |
| 17:10.27 | ralfWORK | lucky mage :) |
| 17:10.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I've made a few people stand there speechles for a moment though, when I said that I had to go grab my hearthstone from the bank |
| 17:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | s/hles/hless/ |
| 17:11.52 | ralfWORK | heh. with the portals available to you, I don't see why not |
| 17:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 17:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm bound to Gadget... but now I've got a free teleport. No clue where to bind it to now. |
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| 17:13.02 | mikma | ScytheBlade1: try Area52 |
| 17:13.34 | ralfWORK | if you still do kara, Duskwood is a good choice |
| 17:13.48 | Esamynn | anyone, excluding Mages, who doesn't bind they're hearth to Shattrath is silly imo |
| 17:13.58 | Esamynn | s/they're/their/ |
| 17:14.05 | Industrial | srsly |
| 17:14.10 | Industrial | 15 min HS to anywhere |
| 17:14.12 | Industrial | for shammies |
| 17:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: why? |
| 17:14.19 | mikma | ralfWORK: other side: alliance can teleport to stormwind and horde can't set to duskwood :D |
| 17:14.22 | Esamynn | Industrial: exactly! |
| 17:14.30 | ralfWORK | mikma: ohh! silly me! |
| 17:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I'm Alliance side |
| 17:14.37 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: because it's like a port to any major city |
| 17:14.58 | ralfWORK | idk, on my leveling warrior, I set my hearth to near where I'm questiong |
| 17:15.06 | Esamynn | shrugs |
| 17:15.14 | ralfWORK | he's been to shatt, and was bound there for a bit |
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| 17:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: so is Teleport: Shattrath. This is in comparison to trying to get to the Caverns of Time. |
| 17:15.39 | ralfWORK | sucked so bad porting -> flying -> boating -> flying to where I wanted to go |
| 17:15.47 | ralfWORK | (feralas) |
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| 17:15.50 | Esamynn | eww |
| 17:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | CoT portal now, yummy |
| 17:15.55 | mikma | ScytheBlade1: you can just delete the HS :D |
| 17:15.56 | Esamynn | ok, yah, Feralas |
| 17:16.00 | mikma | that'll free 1 slot |
| 17:16.04 | Esamynn | meh |
| 17:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: I did :D |
| 17:16.07 | ralfWORK | so I set it to Gadgetzan :P |
| 17:16.19 | ralfWORK | when he's done over there it'll likely be outland time anyways |
| 17:16.21 | Esamynn | I keep my HS on my Shammy, extra hearth in between the 15 min CD if I need it |
| 17:16.31 | zenzelezz | my warrior's been bound to Shattrath pretty much since BC, except for Sundays when I'm bound to Booty Bay |
| 17:16.41 | Esamynn | ahh yes |
| 17:16.50 | Esamynn | wait |
| 17:16.59 | Esamynn | how many times have you tried to win the fishing contest? |
| 17:17.33 | zenzelezz | mumbles incoherently |
| 17:17.43 | Esamynn | :( |
| 17:17.54 | Esamynn | too many huh? |
| 17:17.57 | ralfWORK | lol I've never done that |
| 17:18.05 | zenzelezz | hehe, yeah, almost every Sunday |
| 17:18.06 | wereHamster | zenzelezz, why booty bay? |
| 17:18.11 | Esamynn | I won't tell you how many it took me, it would depress you zenzelezz |
| 17:18.18 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: as Esamynn said, fishing contest |
| 17:18.32 | zenzelezz | quickest way back to town |
| 17:18.45 | zenzelezz | sadly my realm is so populated I'm usually 2-4 fish short, sometimes more |
| 17:19.23 | zenzelezz | also a bit my own fault, I'm too kind. I don't fish in "other people's" schools |
| 17:19.32 | Esamynn | I need to go back one Sunday and fish me up a fish for that +5 line |
| 17:19.34 | ralfWORK | pfft |
| 17:19.41 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: FOOL! |
| 17:19.54 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: everyone does it, just do it you twit |
| 17:19.58 | ralfWORK | I only steal kills/schools/whatever when they're hord ;) |
| 17:20.00 | Esamynn | I wouldn't normally either |
| 17:20.01 | ralfWORK | *horde |
| 17:20.13 | Esamynn | but in the contest, anything goes |
| 17:20.20 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 17:20.37 | Esamynn | wait |
| 17:20.39 | zenzelezz | I can't help it, I'm lousy at being bad |
| 17:20.48 | Lopeppeppy | That's not a bad thing. |
| 17:20.55 | Esamynn | hmm, did I stop and fish in other people's spots |
| 17:20.58 | Esamynn | I can't remember anymore |
| 17:20.58 | zenzelezz | I was taunting mobs to save horde players all through Hellfire on release week |
| 17:21.02 | Esamynn | maybe I didn't |
| 17:21.12 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: wow. you are really nice |
| 17:21.18 | ralfWORK | now go gank them! |
| 17:21.19 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: yah, I'll save ppl in that way too |
| 17:21.23 | zenzelezz | not really... I just wish I was |
| 17:21.25 | Esamynn | doesn't matter who they are to me |
| 17:21.34 | ralfWORK | I've done that before as well |
| 17:21.58 | Esamynn | especially if it's another druid, I'll go out of my way to save their skin |
| 17:22.31 | ralfWORK | s/skin/fur/ |
| 17:22.34 | Lopeppeppy | Bare is strong frend. |
| 17:22.45 | cog|work | finally broke down and got his own website... http://www.cogwheel.info/ |
| 17:22.48 | Esamynn | s/skin/hide/ |
| 17:22.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ .info |
| 17:22.59 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: agreed :P |
| 17:23.08 | cog|work | common words 4tl |
| 17:23.09 | zenzelezz | that's one thing I hate when playing my hunter/rogue, I can't just go up and go HEY! YOU! HIT ME INSTEAD!!! |
| 17:23.19 | Esamynn | cog|work: who's doing your hosting? |
| 17:23.21 | ScytheBlade1 | a haha |
| 17:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Petunia |
| 17:23.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:23.27 | ralfWORK | naw, on hunter/rogue you just zerg |
| 17:23.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That is just random enough to make me laugh, haha |
| 17:24.14 | zenzelezz | ralfWORK: yeah, but I'm so used to being a prot warrior that I forget my other characters can do fast DPS |
| 17:24.25 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 17:24.31 | Esamynn | HAHA |
| 17:24.51 | ralfWORK | hopefully you don't melee on your huntard :( |
| 17:24.56 | Industrial | eep |
| 17:25.01 | Esamynn | lol |
| 17:25.02 | cog|work | Esamynn: vodahost |
| 17:25.05 | zenzelezz | haha, I'm bad but not *that* bad ;) |
| 17:25.23 | Industrial | "huh, arrows? those ran out on like level 2" |
| 17:25.31 | Esamynn | rofl |
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| 17:28.09 | ralfWORK | I think my 55 warr is still using like level 22 arrows :P |
| 17:28.15 | ralfWORK | er. bullets rather |
| 17:28.45 | cog|work | my hunter uses Mark V's Throwing Star :P |
| 17:28.50 | cog|work | err... warrior |
| 17:28.54 | cog|work | needs caffeine |
| 17:29.16 | Polarina | My hunter uses a bow. :) |
| 17:30.00 | Esamynn | ralfWORK: once you get up there, a Throwing Weapon will become a good option |
| 17:30.09 | Esamynn | pre-60, they are sort of scarce |
| 17:30.23 | ralfWORK | Esamynn: good to know |
| 17:30.31 | ralfWORK | thrown is instant isn't it? |
| 17:30.45 | Esamynn | dunno |
| 17:30.46 | Esamynn | never used one |
| 17:30.49 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 17:30.58 | Esamynn | none of my chars can |
| 17:31.05 | Esamynn | expect my 47 hunter... |
| 17:31.12 | ralfWORK | then why you talkin all that smack? ;) |
| 17:31.30 | ralfWORK | ohh... thrown weap on a hunter |
| 17:31.31 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 17:31.35 | ralfWORK | brilliant! |
| 17:31.54 | cog|work | it's not instant, but it's fast and silent |
| 17:32.02 | cog|work | (silent being helpful for pvp) |
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| 17:32.08 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 17:32.10 | cog|work | (marginally) |
| 17:32.14 | Industrial | throwing your bow at someone wont work |
| 17:32.22 | ralfWORK | deadly throw wewt |
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| 17:32.34 | Polarina | rofl what? |
| 17:32.45 | Industrial | wha-tah! *poing* |
| 17:32.57 | Industrial | xD |
| 17:33.06 | Industrial | sorry, I watch too much anime. |
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| 18:10.04 | Industrial | Can anyone recommend an anime? http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Industrial |
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| 18:22.50 | Esamynn | ralfWORK: I just know about throwing weapons because pre-TBC they were a PITA because they were essentially a stack of items, instead of being one with loads of durability, so before TBC content, they aren't very common |
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| 18:23.57 | ralfWORK | Esamynn: ya, gotcha |
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| 18:29.04 | alestane | 'Cept Autoshoot didn't work with thrown weapons last I checked. |
| 18:29.19 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, it doesn't. |
| 18:29.35 | Esamynn | why would any hunter use a thrown weapon though? :P |
| 18:29.46 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly why they would not. |
| 18:29.59 | Esamynn | nah, the answer to that question is more basic |
| 18:30.04 | Esamynn | not enough ammo |
| 18:30.39 | Lopeppeppy | *doesn't smirk* |
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| 18:31.49 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
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| 18:56.46 | Esamynn | cannot wait to find out what Blizzard's April Fools prank will be this year |
| 18:57.25 | Lopeppeppy | thinks she wants that day off... a lot... |
| 18:58.14 | ralfWORK | I'm trying to remember what last years was |
| 18:58.17 | ralfWORK | ohhh armory |
| 18:58.36 | ralfWORK | and getting a secret item that would allow you to be invisible on the armory |
| 18:58.52 | ralfWORK | can't remember the others |
| 18:59.08 | Esamynn | that was one of them, yes, I think there was more |
| 18:59.11 | Lopeppeppy | Pandaren Express! |
| 18:59.16 | Lopeppeppy | Always my favorite. |
| 18:59.16 | Esamynn | ROFL |
| 18:59.19 | ralfWORK | yea there was more |
| 18:59.22 | ralfWORK | hmm what's that? |
| 18:59.32 | Lopeppeppy | Chinese food delivery by the Pandaren. |
| 18:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | Mu Shu Tauren a house special... |
| 19:00.26 | Esamynn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/tinfoilhat.xml http://www.blizzard.com/whoa/ http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/btattunement/ |
| 19:01.09 | Esamynn | go go news archive |
| 19:01.30 | ralfWORK | oh yea hahahhaah |
| 19:01.36 | ralfWORK | bt attunement lolololo |
| 19:02.12 | Lopeppeppy | The Flame Imperishable is my guild on AD... we loved this chart. |
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| 19:03.40 | Esamynn | lol |
| 19:04.04 | Esamynn | I loved that it took you though all sorts of old world content ;) |
| 19:04.17 | ralfWORK | and how you had to do Mags before KZ |
| 19:04.22 | Esamynn | and then EVERY heroic in the game |
| 19:04.24 | Esamynn | lol |
| 19:04.30 | ralfWORK | and AFTER |
| 19:04.30 | Fisker- | new aprils fool is fail |
| 19:04.38 | ralfWORK | Fisker-: what is it |
| 19:05.02 | ralfWORK | wait I know |
| 19:05.04 | Fisker- | learn2read |
| 19:05.18 | ralfWORK | new april's fool is "lolnub, 2.4 is being reverted!" |
| 19:05.23 | Fisker- | no |
| 19:05.29 | Esamynn | is confused |
| 19:06.05 | Esamynn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#193 ROFL |
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| 19:07.02 | Fisker- | cockwheel! |
| 19:07.09 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker! |
| 19:07.19 | ralfWORK | btw, I could be totally fail |
| 19:07.33 | ralfWORK | but I don't see april fools info up for this year :P |
| 19:07.40 | cog|work | wonders why chatzilla always crashes when clicking on Esamynn's links |
| 19:07.42 | cog|work | Fisker-: you say that as if i weren't already here |
| 19:07.53 | Fisker- | oh yeah |
| 19:10.25 | ralfWORK | so who's rushing out to get the +def enchants and why? |
| 19:11.01 | ralfWORK | sorry, who's rushing out to get them put on *their* gear, is what I mean :) |
| 19:11.05 | cog|work | this is tomorrow's page of the desk calendar: http://www.cogwheel.info/wow/assets/aprilfools.jpg |
| 19:11.33 | ralfWORK | lol nice |
| 19:12.23 | AbsoRayne | They need to make Shat into a neutral town for April Fools |
| 19:12.25 | mikma | Requires Level Playa! |
| 19:12.26 | AbsoRayne | that would be amazing |
| 19:12.34 | klip | isn't there any easiest way of tracking enemies then retistering free trial account as another side? I want to find someone and I got just this idea |
| 19:12.46 | mikma | i wonder will there be any april fools in wow |
| 19:12.51 | cog|work | AbsoRayne: amazing lag imo :P |
| 19:12.54 | klip | "easier" |
| 19:13.12 | AbsoRayne | cog|work: Id respec in a heartbeat :P |
| 19:14.00 | cog|work | klip: playing on horde and alliance simultaneously on a pvp server will get you banned |
| 19:14.05 | mikma | anyone knows where can i find a very simple example of SecureButton cooldown? |
| 19:14.14 | cog|work | (obviously assuming they catch you, but that should answer your question re: an easier way) |
| 19:14.52 | cog|work | mikma: what do you mean? |
| 19:15.29 | klip | cog|work: i dont want to play as the other side, I just want to know, where is a particular player :) |
| 19:15.34 | cog|work | yes. |
| 19:15.34 | mikma | cog|work: the black thing on a button than indicates the lenght of the spells cooldown |
| 19:15.53 | cog|work | that's against the rules |
| 19:16.17 | cog|work | the whole reason you're not allowed to make an opposite-faction character on a pvp server is to prevent you from doing that kind of thing |
| 19:16.55 | klip | ok, but is there any other way? |
| 19:17.06 | cog|work | if there was, it'd be an exploit and we wouldn't tell you here |
| 19:17.10 | mikma | they should prevent the same from pve servers too |
| 19:17.18 | Tem | meh |
| 19:17.48 | cog|work | mikma: nah... my old guild had a horde presence just for the fun of it |
| 19:18.16 | mikma | cog|work: and the guild i'm in also has horde-side :P |
| 19:18.25 | klip | I'm not asking for a hack, I'm asking for a solution, how someone can do it legally :) sure, I can have many friends and search world for the user, there is nothing against rules with this... so is there any othere way? any idea? |
| 19:18.45 | mikma | (just answer no) |
| 19:18.45 | Lopeppeppy | Not on a PvP server, klip. By deliberate limitation. |
| 19:18.46 | cog|work | klip: you're very confused. It's against the rules to do what you want. Not the WAY you do it, but the thing itself |
| 19:19.35 | cog|work | you're basically asking "how do i break the law without breaking the law?" |
| 19:19.49 | klip | I think you dont understand me |
| 19:19.50 | klip | :) |
| 19:19.54 | cog|work | O.o |
| 19:20.29 | cog|work | actually, if you're communicating directly with friends of the opposing faction, you ARE breaking the rules |
| 19:20.55 | cog|work | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html section 5.B.10 |
| 19:21.05 | klip | pvp is player vs player, isnt it? so if I have 40 horde friends and we spread around world looking for one ally, and if somebody finds that guy telling that to others. Is it against rules? |
| 19:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | That's guild chat, no need for another solution. |
| 19:21.42 | cog|work | of course not. But you can't have an alliance friend do a /who to get you that info |
| 19:22.02 | mikma | klip: example, my very old addon does show coords for the mob you are targeting and you can select to what chat it gets printed: http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/xlifes/ |
| 19:22.53 | klip | yeah, fine, I'm asking, is there any better way then having your guild spread the world to find that player? :) any idea? |
| 19:23.03 | Esamynn | mikma: what was that about SecureButton Cooldown? |
| 19:23.45 | cog|work | Why are you even asking that question? Have you learned nothing from this conversation? Blizzard doesn't WANT you to easily find players of the opposing faction |
| 19:23.46 | Esamynn | klip: doubtful |
| 19:23.47 | mikma | Esamynn: i'm trying to make a totem-addon and i need to find a easy example of how to get the cooldowntimers working on my newly created buttons |
| 19:24.01 | cog|work | they have actively taken steps to prevent it |
| 19:24.16 | Esamynn | cooldown stuff is not protected in anyway, you can add it, and control it in the normal fashion |
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| 19:24.32 | mikma | Esamynn: but how to add it correctly? |
| 19:24.34 | klip | hm, ok |
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| 19:24.53 | Esamynn | mikma: oh, you've never done cooldown stuff before? |
| 19:25.09 | mikma | Esamynn: nope. that's why i'm looking for example of it :) |
| 19:25.09 | cog|work | mikma: check out FrameXML\ActionButton.xml |
| 19:25.23 | ralfWORK | hrm. |
| 19:25.26 | Esamynn | mikma: refrence the files Cooldown.xml and Cooldown.lua |
| 19:25.29 | kergoth | yikse, whats with the shitton of libraries saeris uploaded to wowi |
| 19:25.46 | AbsoRayne | So has anyone figured out why the background on the players pitbull frame isnt stretched as far out as the targets? |
| 19:25.51 | mikma | cog|work, Esamynn: thanks for the direction. off to study now -> :D |
| 19:25.51 | ralfWORK | 5.B.6 would make me believe that sites like wowjutsu.com are against TOS |
| 19:26.22 | mikma | basicly, they are what i've read |
| 19:26.28 | cog|work | ralfWORK: technically they are. Technically thottbot/allakhazam are as well |
| 19:26.30 | mikma | farming data is not allowed etc |
| 19:26.35 | ralfWORK | cog|work: hmm right |
| 19:26.51 | Esamynn | wowjustu only works off the armory though |
| 19:27.07 | Esamynn | s/wowjustu/wowjutsu/ |
| 19:27.11 | ralfWORK | Use bots or other automated techniques to collect information from the Program or any forum or website owned or administered by Blizzard; |
| 19:27.19 | ralfWORK | that is not allowed |
| 19:27.19 | AbsoRayne | kind of annoying :/ |
| 19:27.29 | ralfWORK | (that's what 5.B.6 says) |
| 19:27.33 | cog|work | ralfWORK: it might be different since they're directly exposing the data (via xml) |
| 19:27.49 | Esamynn | also, wouldn't the armory have it's own ToS |
| 19:27.56 | cog|work | probably |
| 19:28.08 | ralfWORK | dunno. sounds like a website owned and administred by Blizzard to me |
| 19:28.11 | Lopeppeppy | Blizz has sued websites before, they'll do it again if it's annoying and important enough. must be a reason why they don't. |
| 19:28.19 | cog|work | also, since those websites don't actually play wow, they're not under the Terms of Use ;) |
| 19:28.29 | ralfWORK | cog|work: now that I could see |
| 19:29.32 | kd3 | lmao... |
| 19:29.32 | ralfWORK | could also be one of those rules that exist just so they can bring out the big stick, if need be |
| 19:29.39 | kd3 | a penny costs 1.7 cents to make |
| 19:29.43 | Lopeppeppy | Best... rules.... ever.... |
| 19:30.00 | ralfWORK | kd3: hahhaaha |
| 19:30.18 | Esamynn | kd3: old news :P |
| 19:30.23 | mikma | but hey...... |
| 19:30.29 | mikma | wowdigger.com? |
| 19:31.04 | mikma | it's "authorized blizzard fansite" |
| 19:31.15 | mikma | and even the CM's tell people to use it :P |
| 19:31.37 | ralfWORK | CMs don't work for blizz do they? :P |
| 19:32.21 | mikma | community managers or something... i think they do? |
| 19:33.11 | ralfWORK | I still don't have anything convincing me to have people get Steelweave :P |
| 19:34.46 | ralfWORK | it exists so it must be worth something! |
| 19:34.50 | ralfWORK | but it drives me crazy! |
| 19:36.13 | Lopeppeppy | [15:34] ralfWORK: it exists so it must be worth something! < -- fallacious thought alert |
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| 19:39.55 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: oh :( |
| 19:41.49 | ralfWORK | hmm |
| 19:42.03 | ralfWORK | so past heavy clefthoof, there's no +def leather eh? |
| 19:42.15 | mikma | nope |
| 19:42.18 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 19:42.22 | ralfWORK | I totally did not know that |
| 19:42.34 | foxlit | tier sets? |
| 19:42.50 | ralfWORK | idk |
| 19:43.25 | Esamynn | pretty much, no |
| 19:43.34 | Esamynn | +def on leather is VERY scarce |
| 19:43.43 | Esamynn | Bear Tanks often resort to some amount of reslience |
| 19:43.50 | ralfWORK | so, you'd want to do +resil on chest then it looks like |
| 19:44.04 | ralfWORK | wonder if def to cape will be better than agi/dodge to cape, for bears |
| 19:44.06 | Esamynn | there is a +15 def to chest now |
| 19:44.21 | Esamynn | all depends on if you're uncrittable or not |
| 19:44.25 | Lopeppeppy | Here's what one of my bears is wearing lately. Sadly, she has a mix of cat and bear gear on I believe... http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Argent+Dawn&n=Janell |
| 19:44.57 | ralfWORK | Esamynn: sure, sure. just wondering how it would reasonably stack up as a druid moves through raid progression |
| 19:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | The two bears I'm closest to use enchants and gems for their +defense, perhaps trinkets/necklaces/etc. It's not primary on the regular armor, sadly. |
| 19:45.29 | Esamynn | ralfWORK: +def beyond the crit cap is crappy for Bears |
| 19:45.31 | ralfWORK | too bad bear form doesn't take enchants/armor kits into account for AC :P |
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| 19:45.38 | ralfWORK | Esamynn: oh sure, |
| 19:45.55 | PsG-1 | Howdy |
| 19:45.57 | ralfWORK | I just don't know how much def/res you can get from rings/trinkets/cape |
| 19:46.01 | Esamynn | btw, for pure defense, 415 is the crit cap vs bosses |
| 19:46.07 | ralfWORK | ya |
| 19:46.09 | Esamynn | for Feral druids |
| 19:46.21 | ralfWORK | with talents |
| 19:46.27 | Esamynn | nods |
| 19:46.31 | ralfWORK | that any feral druid would be an idiot to not take ;) |
| 19:46.35 | Esamynn | that talent is a given for any bear tank |
| 19:46.36 | Esamynn | exactly |
| 19:46.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yer stuck with it. |
| 19:46.58 | PsG-1 | Did they update the lua engine for patch 2.4? |
| 19:47.00 | Esamynn | hell, it's a given for all cats too, if you're that far in feral and don't have 3/3 of it, you're stupid |
| 19:47.12 | Esamynn | PsG-1: not to my knowledge, at least nothing we'd notice |
| 19:47.50 | PsG-1 | I'm getting a weird error with one of my personal mods, about concactenating nil strings that I didn't get prepatch, was just wondering about it. |
| 19:48.25 | PsG-1 | If I do something like " (nil or '') .. "a" " that shouldn't fail, should it? |
| 19:48.42 | ralfWORK | regarding the 15 res to chest: 15 resilience means you would only need 133 defense rating instead of the 156 defense rating bears normally need to become uncrittable. That roughly translates into needing about 406 defense instead of 415. |
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| 19:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | Resilience is physical as well as spell? |
| 19:49.15 | ralfWORK | believe so |
| 19:49.23 | ralfWORK | apparently it reduced DOT damage too |
| 19:49.26 | ralfWORK | which I did not know |
| 19:49.49 | Polarina | What to do when people claim that my addons do not work with 2.4? |
| 19:49.50 | Esamynn | it now reducees mana drain effects as well |
| 19:50.01 | ralfWORK | ahh that's right |
| 19:50.15 | ralfWORK | wow. sorry for being so behind the times |
| 19:50.21 | ralfWORK | but I'm pretty shocked there is no +def leather |
| 19:50.22 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 19:50.43 | ralfWORK | like there's litterally 1 item outside of Clefthoof that has any at all |
| 19:50.44 | Esamynn | yah :/ |
| 19:50.46 | Esamynn | it's painful |
| 19:51.01 | Polarina | lua_bot: Congratulations on your promotion. :) |
| 19:51.02 | lua_bot | Polarina: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'on' |
| 19:51.06 | Lopeppeppy | Polarina, offer them the Clue By Four. |
| 19:51.06 | Esamynn | thank god for that talent |
| 19:51.08 | PsG-1 | nil is the same as no value in LUA, right? |
| 19:51.26 | Esamynn | for the most part yes |
| 19:51.35 | PsG-1 | hmm... ok thanks |
| 19:51.43 | Polarina | Lopeppeppy: Maybe I should just tell them to enable loading of out-of-date addons? |
| 19:51.44 | Esamynn | there are 1 or 2 places where that doesn't hold true, but they are probably bugs |
| 19:51.53 | Lopeppeppy | That's a good Clue by Four to begin with. |
| 19:52.01 | PsG-1 | Trying to track down an "attempt to concactenate nil value" error |
| 19:52.09 | Polarina | Thank you. |
| 19:55.27 | ralfWORK | so then stupid question |
| 19:55.35 | ralfWORK | what gear would be more druid and less rogue then? |
| 19:55.48 | ralfWORK | I assume higher stam and itemization spent on AC? |
| 19:55.51 | PsG-1 | Figured it out... I guess before (' ' .. nil or '') used to resolve to '', but now it errors out and doesn't use the or to failover to the alternate value. |
| 19:56.17 | cog|work | .. has higher precedence than or |
| 19:56.22 | cog|work | use parentheses |
| 19:56.24 | Esamynn | ralfWORK: depends on if you're talking bear or cat gear |
| 19:56.34 | ralfWORK | bear, obviously |
| 19:56.36 | cog|work | lua> "123" .. (nil or "45") |
| 19:56.36 | lua_bot | cog|work: 12345 |
| 19:56.41 | ralfWORK | lol@cat gear |
| 19:56.45 | PsG-1 | did that change? |
| 19:56.48 | Esamynn | stam, armor, agil |
| 19:56.50 | cog|work | no |
| 19:56.56 | PsG-1 | or guess I was using a bug in LUA because it used to work |
| 19:57.01 | Esamynn | Cat gear is very close to rogue gear now |
| 19:57.06 | ralfWORK | yep |
| 19:57.14 | cog|work | or you were using a variable and it never was nil before :P |
| 19:57.39 | PsG-1 | perhaps |
| 19:58.38 | PsG-1 | The way it used to work is I had the following: (' ' .. UnitRace("target") or '') .. (' ' .. UnitClass("target") or '') |
| 19:58.58 | PsG-1 | I wanted there to be a space before UnitRace("target") if there was a value, OR just '' if there was no value |
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| 19:59.20 | cog|work | and if UnitRace or UnitClass never returned nil during testing, then you wouldn't have seen an error |
| 19:59.22 | PsG-1 | But I guess you're right, maybe they just stopped giving mobs a race value |
| 20:00.52 | ralfWORK | fwiw, my pitbull class is always wrong on mobs :P |
| 20:00.59 | ralfWORK | idk if it's a pitbull thing or a API thing |
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| 20:01.10 | ralfWORK | almost everything is a paladin, according to it :D |
| 20:01.19 | cog|work | ralfWORK: or warrior |
| 20:01.32 | cog|work | that's how they're classified by the game |
| 20:01.38 | ralfWORK | ya, sometimes! |
| 20:01.39 | ralfWORK | k |
| 20:01.48 | cog|work | paladin is basically anything with high armor but uses mana |
| 20:01.58 | cog|work | voidwalker, for instance |
| 20:02.01 | ralfWORK | yep |
| 20:02.05 | ralfWORK | they are always pallys |
| 20:02.12 | ralfWORK | and then mages |
| 20:02.18 | ralfWORK | thik some are mages |
| 20:02.23 | ralfWORK | even though they aren't :P |
| 20:02.41 | Polarina | Maintaining my addons is hard, that the database has to be updated on frequent basis. I wish I could just update the database directly from WoW as soon as I notice something that needs to be updated and have it automatically upload to WoWInterface... |
| 20:10.02 | PsG-1 | what is your addon? |
| 20:10.14 | Polarina | PsG-1: Huh? |
| 20:10.21 | PsG-1 | What addon are you maintianing? |
| 20:10.50 | Polarina | PsG-1: Valuation and Relegation. |
| 20:11.15 | PsG-1 | ? is that enchantrix? |
| 20:11.24 | PsG-1 | I'm new so I don't know people in this channel |
| 20:11.27 | cog|work | Polarina: someone made a wowinterface uploader in Java a while back. you could do some command line scripting to make it easier |
| 20:11.29 | PsG-1 | or what mods they maintain |
| 20:11.38 | Polarina | cog|work: Ok. |
| 20:11.48 | Polarina | PsG-1: These are the names of my addons. |
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| 20:14.09 | Atriace | Are there any brilliant ways of accessing a local table outside of the mod that made the table? |
| 20:14.24 | Atriace | Because by my memory, it shouldn't be possible. |
| 20:14.32 | cog|work | it's not. |
| 20:14.40 | cog|work | it would be with the debug lib, but that's not available |
| 20:15.14 | Atriace | So, perhaps the only way to access it would be to add my script from the toc file of the mod that made the table? |
| 20:15.46 | cog|work | you'd have to add some code to the place the table is created |
| 20:15.53 | AbsoRayne | incoming link |
| 20:16.05 | AbsoRayne | charges the Photobucket |
| 20:16.34 | Esamynn | Atriace: locals are local to the FILE, not the addon |
| 20:16.44 | Esamynn | or rather |
| 20:16.55 | Esamynn | their context is limited to the block they are defined in |
| 20:17.12 | Esamynn | addons do not count as a block |
| 20:17.18 | Esamynn | files do |
| 20:17.21 | AbsoRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_033108_141209.jpg WIP, Debating the ToT and pet frames currently. Ignore the SCT font its being played with now |
| 20:17.22 | Atriace | Gotchya |
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| 20:20.23 | AbsoRayne | Ill take that as a negative sign, back to the dtrawing board! |
| 20:21.51 | Atriace | AbsoRayne: where's your target? |
| 20:22.26 | AbsoRayne | Right side |
| 20:23.31 | Atriace | So, Absoluterange = pet. WNGOPNS= self. And Armoredsaint, Nayri, & Umarro = party? |
| 20:23.40 | Atriace | I don't see your ToT. |
| 20:24.01 | dylanm | Who what |
| 20:24.09 | AbsoRayne | [Self][Target] |
| 20:24.14 | AbsoRayne | ToT above those two |
| 20:24.20 | dylanm | Oh it's Rayne. Got a new compilation going on? |
| 20:24.22 | Atriace | dylanm: On AbsoRayne's screenshot. |
| 20:24.31 | AbsoRayne | dylanm: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_033108_141209.jpg WIP |
| 20:25.10 | dylanm | Nagaaa. |
| 20:25.55 | kd3 | gotta love watching a third of the guild d/c when the instance server crashes |
| 20:26.06 | ralfWORK | yea, that's awesome |
| 20:26.23 | AbsoRayne | kd3: The flood of alts logging on isnt that fun though |
| 20:26.53 | AbsoRayne | dylanm: The Naga out here suck, they resist my FDs :< |
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| 20:29.34 | AbsoRayne | grrrrr were not even 50% through Stage 2 on KilJaeden |
| 20:31.16 | ralfWORK | didn't know anyone had seen him on live yet |
| 20:31.16 | ralfWORK | neat |
| 20:31.40 | kd3 | on the realm KJ... not the encounter |
| 20:32.01 | ralfWORK | ohhhh |
| 20:32.06 | ralfWORK | smacks forehead |
| 20:33.05 | AbsoRayne | ralfWORK: /pat |
| 20:33.25 | ralfWORK | lole |
| 20:34.31 | AbsoRayne | btw, im still looking for addon testers. |
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| 20:35.53 | AbsoRayne | If anyones interested, its a mod that tracks your Lucky Charms, its going to include icons for CC methods, and when one dies it will announce it to help move on to the next target. |
| 20:35.58 | AbsoRayne | Should be ready in about a week. |
| 20:36.30 | ralfWORK | o rly? |
| 20:36.44 | AbsoRayne | Yes |
| 20:43.43 | Atriace | How would you test for the presence of a mod if that mod doesn't create any objects? |
| 20:44.06 | alestane | Check any values that it alters? |
| 20:44.14 | Atriace | They're all locals |
| 20:44.45 | Nargiddley | IsAddOnLoaded("AddonName") |
| 20:45.12 | Atriace | Ah, brilliant. Thanks. |
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| 20:51.52 | Atriace | Having issues getting an accruate response from IsAddOnloaded (http://www.wowwiki.com/API_IsAddOnLoaded). According to the reference, I'm confused if it means that only Blizzard Mods (to the exclusion of others) can be checked via "name" or if it's the only method Blizzard addons can be checked (to the exclusion of using index) |
| 20:52.18 | Atriace | Either way, using "name" based on the toc file's ## Title: doesn't seem to be working. |
| 20:52.29 | Nargiddley | its the folder name of the addon |
| 20:53.08 | Atriace | Wow, you're right. |
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| 21:00.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, that's one way to purge the PTR forum |
| 21:00.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11572&sid=1 |
| 21:00.45 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 21:00.47 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> 1/(8.2*10^-9*330*10^3) |
| 21:00.47 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 369.54915003695 |
| 21:03.05 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: lol |
| 21:03.26 | Shirik|Ecole | nano- is 10^-9 right? |
| 21:05.43 | Esamynn | yes |
| 21:06.21 | Shirik|Ecole | here's a better question -- florescent lights flicker at 60Hz. Think a 370Hz filter is enough to (mostly) attenuate that? (batrick this is a question for you!) |
| 21:12.36 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> 1/(33*10^-12*330*10^3) |
| 21:12.36 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 91827.364554637 |
| 21:13.17 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> 1/(300*10^-12*330*10^3) |
| 21:13.17 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 10101.01010101 |
| 21:13.26 | Shirik|Ecole | oh well, I guess 369Hz is good enough |
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| 21:14.16 | pneumonochrome | Hello everyone, I'm a lua/wow ui newbie here, and I've spent a couple of hours searching for how to do this. |
| 21:14.33 | pneumonochrome | I want users to be able to designate what chat window an addon outputs to |
| 21:14.50 | Shirik|Ecole | the chat frames are ChatFrame1, ChatFrame2, etc. |
| 21:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ChatFrame1:AddMessage(), etc |
| 21:14.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ that |
| 21:15.06 | pneumonochrome | I know I can use ChatFrame4:AddMessage(), but is there a way I can let them use the name of the chat window? |
| 21:15.15 | pneumonochrome | Rather than its index |
| 21:15.23 | Shirik|Ecole | if you want them to type in the name, you can do something like _G[foo]:AddMessage() |
| 21:15.32 | Shirik|Ecole | where foo is the variable storing the name of the frame they typed |
| 21:15.39 | Shirik|Ecole | but be careful with that because if they type something bad, things can break :) |
| 21:16.00 | pneumonochrome | Good to know. |
| 21:16.29 | pneumonochrome | Thanks for the help. Still a little confused, and am happy to go do more reading if someone can point me in the right direction, but what is _G? |
| 21:17.19 | pneumonochrome | Wait, I think I may have found the appropriate information on wowwwiki. |
| 21:17.23 | pneumonochrome | Thanks for the help! |
| 21:18.28 | Shirik|Ecole | no problem |
| 21:19.52 | Atriace | Wow... I remember looking at HOWTO: Save variables like 9 months ago and remembering it totally went over my head. I'm looking at it again and it's so simple... I don't know how you could simplify the explanation further. |
| 21:20.35 | cog|work | In case anyone didn't see it earlier: http://www.cogwheel.info/wow/assets/aprilfools.jpg |
| 21:20.44 | cog|work | ^ Tomorrow's page of the wow desk calendar |
| 21:21.03 | Atriace | haha nice |
| 21:21.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "SOUL bound" |
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| 21:24.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5640954440&sid=1 (offtopic) |
| 21:27.03 | Nechckn | Hmm.. will have to log that in my excuses database |
| 21:27.19 | Nechckn | could very well come in handy... now where can I find a cat... hmm? |
| 21:29.00 | pneumonochrome | Hrmmm... well, I did something wrong there. |
| 21:29.14 | pneumonochrome | Curse the adjustment period of learning a new language. |
| 21:29.31 | pneumonochrome | I've been using perl/php for a long time, but lua is really foreign to me. |
| 21:30.04 | Shirik|Ecole | !g 7Z04 |
| 21:30.05 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: 7Z04 search, 7Z04 datasheet, 7Z04 buy, 7Z04 sell - IC2IC.COM ... <http://www.ic2ic.com/search.jsp?sSearchWord=7Z04&prefix=7> |
| 21:30.41 | Polarina | I wonder if patch 2.4.0 has some weird code in it that executes at 1st of April to trick the hell out of us.. :P |
| 21:30.48 | Polarina | s/trick/scare/ |
| 21:30.59 | ScytheBlade1 | As much as I wish it did, I doubt it |
| 21:31.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Doesn't sound like something that they would drop into their binaries just for fun ;) |
| 21:31.55 | Shirik|Ecole | I totally would |
| 21:32.13 | Shirik|Ecole | grins at the thought of the wowinterface updater installing every ace addon on april first |
| 21:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:32.30 | Polarina | I'm guessing they'll make Illidian go wild. That is, it starts going to Terokkar Forest (maybe stop in Shattrath for more killing) and head to the Dark Portal, then enter Azeroth and do some crasy stuff. :P |
| 21:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | The ace people would hate you |
| 21:33.29 | pneumonochrome | Okay, so I hard defined it just for testing as local foo = Applepie, next line was _G[foo]:Addmessage(mymessage). When that triggered, it disconnected me. I didn't implement it the way you meant, did I Shirik? |
| 21:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, it disconnected you? o_0 |
| 21:34.03 | pneumonochrome | Backt to the character select screen |
| 21:34.11 | Polarina | o.O |
| 21:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | logs in and tests |
| 21:35.17 | Shirik|Ecole | yes, with AddMessage instead of Addmessage |
| 21:35.30 | Shirik|Ecole | still that shouldn't have disconnected you |
| 21:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: _G[tabnamehere] isn't anything, or so devtools is telling me |
| 21:36.17 | pneumonochrome | it was actually AddMessage in my code, I just missed the cap here. |
| 21:37.11 | AbsoRayne | I have a feeling were all going to log in, and be skinned as Tuskars |
| 21:37.45 | pneumonochrome | I'll have to play around with it some more later, I suppose. I guess the long way would be to build an array where the keys are names pulled from GetChatWindowInfo() and the values are indexes, then I can just reference the array value... |
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| 21:39.19 | pneumonochrome | Thanks for the help everyone. Talk to you later |
| 21:46.36 | Shirik|Ecole | oh Nechckn wanted some pics? |
| 21:46.53 | Shirik|Ecole | I might be able to get them when I put her on the court |
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| 21:49.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, so I'm reading the fake patch notes that were posted for 1.11 by Iforgethernamewhowentelsewhere |
| 21:50.05 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | The use of 'if', 'for' and other flow control statements has been deemed exploitable, and have been removed from the Lua script implementation. |
| 21:50.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Irony. |
| 21:50.52 | Polarina | :) |
| 21:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowwiki.com/Patch_1.11_%28Evil_Patch_Notes%29 |
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| 22:00.29 | Shirik|Ecole | that's kinda impressive |
| 22:00.31 | Nechckn | bring on them thar pics Shirik! I'll be looking for 'em later |
| 22:00.44 | Shirik|Ecole | Robot.exe - 973 error(s), 152 warning(s) |
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| 22:03.27 | Cide | pfft, you can't even hit 4 digits |
| 22:04.40 | Shirik|Ecole | Want me to throw in a few #error? |
| 22:07.08 | Cide | you must, if you want bragging rights |
| 22:15.05 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone seen deathfrost drop yet? |
| 22:21.47 | p3lim | if i do all the quests in zanga, how much rep will i get? |
| 22:21.48 | p3lim | :p |
| 22:21.58 | zenzelezz | Shirik|Ecole: interesting, but not that impressive. Such results are usually just chain reactions. Besides, the VC++ compiler can keep going until it hits ~16000 errors |
| 22:24.25 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah it was just a chain reaction of course :) |
| 22:24.32 | Shirik|Ecole | if I had 970 errors I would go shoot myself |
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| 22:25.11 | zenzelezz | wish I could remember the error code for that message |
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| 22:35.44 | Cairenn | pokes Kirkburn |
| 22:35.51 | Kirkburn | sup? |
| 22:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | She just likes poking you. |
| 22:39.21 | Shirik|Ecole | hm, anyone familiar with C++'s typeid() here? |
| 22:40.48 | Polarina | can't get her installation of Wine to work. It segfaults when it attempts to load opengl32.dll. |
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| 22:43.09 | foxlit | I DEMAND THE ONSET OF TUESDAY. |
| 22:43.18 | foxlit | *mandatory caps appology* |
| 22:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:43.33 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:43.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I just realized that April Fools is on their maintaince day. |
| 22:43.45 | ScytheBlade1 | The possibility are suddenly endless. |
| 22:43.54 | Polarina | rolls on the floor laughing. |
| 22:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | (As is the amount of QQ related to that) |
| 22:44.02 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 22:44.34 | foxlit | Not in europe <3 |
| 22:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Details details |
| 22:48.38 | ScytheBlade1 | What's a good cooldown timer mode? |
| 22:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I used to use coolDown, but it is... massive |
| 22:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Looking for something small in terms of screen space, mostly |
| 22:50.46 | alestane | CoolFloat sends cooldown messages to the Bliz FCT. |
| 22:50.57 | alestane | very light on screen real estate. |
| 22:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Tempting, as I actually use that |
| 22:51.16 | ScytheBlade1 | But ideally I'm looking for timers too |
| 22:51.21 | alestane | alestane.wowinterface.com |
| 22:52.15 | ScytheBlade1 | But just the same that'll be a nice addition |
| 22:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | downloads |
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| 22:56.04 | Gnarfoz | how's that "Rolled" addon coming for today? ^^ |
| 22:56.56 | ScytheBlade1 | sobs at none of the "timer" addons being updated for 2.4, at least according to WoWI |
| 22:57.12 | ckknight | Gnarfoz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
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| 22:57.37 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: ? |
| 22:58.00 | ckknight | you mentioned Rolled |
| 22:58.04 | Gnarfoz | indeed. |
| 22:58.04 | ckknight | so you got rickroll'd |
| 22:58.12 | ckknight | you had it coming |
| 22:58.16 | Guillotine | hah |
| 22:58.16 | Gnarfoz | I didn't... |
| 22:58.19 | Guillotine | you used Rolled |
| 22:58.22 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.30 | Gnarfoz | -.- your memory sucks. |
| 22:58.30 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 22:58.35 | nevcairiel | some radio station here actually played that song last week |
| 22:58.37 | nevcairiel | was crazy |
| 22:58.46 | ckknight | hey Guillotine, I got some pretty good progress on CurseProfiler 2.0 |
| 22:58.49 | Gnarfoz | also, Guillotine my question just before you joined was: how's that "Rolled" addon coming for today? ^^ |
| 22:59.17 | Guillotine | Gnarfoz: Its all working and ready. We're just waiting for a response from Blizzard about whether its ok to release (we're not supposed to be able to use MovieFrame) |
| 22:59.20 | Gnarfoz | mostly the cutting down in size for easier mass distribution part :> |
| 22:59.20 | Guillotine | ckknight: nice |
| 22:59.22 | Shirik | ok so this is stupid. Windows offers functionality to give threads a name for debugging purposes |
| 22:59.25 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: lol, my local (epic) radio station but said video on their home page not long ago |
| 22:59.30 | Guillotine | Gnarfoz: its a tenth of the size of Atlas now :D |
| 22:59.31 | Shirik | How do you set that name? You call a function called "RaiseException" |
| 22:59.33 | Guillotine | 1.5 mb |
| 22:59.34 | Drundia | so how did you hack MovieFrame? |
| 22:59.46 | Gnarfoz | they just used the right format =] |
| 22:59.52 | Guillotine | yup |
| 22:59.55 | Drundia | haha |
| 22:59.56 | nevcairiel | whats Rolled? |
| 23:00.01 | Gnarfoz | Guillotine: nice, that should raise too many brows ^^ |
| 23:00.02 | alestane | Cairenn: Can you move http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7161 to Combat or Miscellaneous instead of Outdated? |
| 23:00.08 | Drundia | why are we not supposed then? |
| 23:00.11 | Shirik | oh sure, not me |
| 23:00.13 | Shirik | I see how it is |
| 23:00.13 | Gnarfoz | err shouldn't |
| 23:00.16 | Guillotine | nevcairiel: http://www.geocities.com/curse.guillotine/Rolled.html |
| 23:00.25 | Cairenn | moved |
| 23:00.36 | Shirik | Cairenn > me :( |
| 23:00.43 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:00.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: shocking news |
| 23:00.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 23:00.49 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:00.51 | Guillotine | Drundia: because they didn't intend it for addon use. So its not really stable (it can cause wierd bugs with the wrong encoding) |
| 23:01.24 | ScytheBlade1 | (Shirik: In all honesty, I have no idea why I torment you so. Nothing personal, it just seems second nature. :( ) |
| 23:02.15 | Drundia | pre-2.0 they didn't intend us to have addons choose spells for us, yes they still did |
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| 23:02.30 | alestane | Shirik: Not used to thinking of you as an admin. |
| 23:03.11 | ckknight | Guillotine: that is hilarious, also: I had no idea it was that before I rickroll'd Gnarfoz |
| 23:03.34 | Guillotine | lol |
| 23:03.34 | Gnarfoz | which you didn't because... well, I don't click random youtube links :> |
| 23:03.48 | Guillotine | Nobody expects it in WoW :P |
| 23:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine: is it still .avi? Rename to .dat if you can |
| 23:04.20 | Guillotine | ScytheBlade1: we tried :( It needs the .avi suffix |
| 23:04.24 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 23:04.27 | Gnarfoz | when the d/l was still huge, I got suspicious, but now, with broadband, you might just click and not notice it taking a while to load |
| 23:04.38 | Guillotine | hmm. And apparently it doesn't work on macs o.O |
| 23:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | DivX encoded? |
| 23:04.52 | Guillotine | yup |
| 23:04.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Weird |
| 23:05.04 | Guillotine | I don't know, thats the only report I've heard of that |
| 23:05.17 | Guillotine | and its just a guildy, so hes probably just an idiot and installed the addon incorrectly |
| 23:05.22 | Guillotine | :P |
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| 23:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:08.38 | batrick | gsoc is extended /cheer |
| 23:09.59 | ckknight | Guillotine: yea, no workie on macs |
| 23:10.09 | ckknight | I think |
| 23:10.15 | ckknight | well, lemme try something |
| 23:10.17 | Guillotine | Thats really wierd. I guess we didn't get it encoded exactly like blizzard does |
| 23:10.26 | Guillotine | What does it do on a mac? |
| 23:10.38 | Guillotine | just no frame displayed? Or a black frame? |
| 23:11.27 | Drundia | btw about 1st april maintenance. aren't we all supposed to get rolling restarts kind of maintenance? |
| 23:11.43 | ckknight | Guillotine: no frame |
| 23:11.46 | ckknight | just the timer at the top |
| 23:11.53 | Guillotine | that is really wierd |
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| 23:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Drundia: probably. I was mostly joking. |
| 23:12.32 | ckknight | Guillotine: flashes black for a frame and then hides |
| 23:12.49 | Drundia | though i believe 36-hour maintenance would be funnier |
| 23:12.56 | Guillotine | Well, I don't feel like spending a couple more hours playing with the encodings to get it to work on macs too. Not worth installing WoW on my mac VM |
| 23:13.10 | Guillotine | so for now Mac users are safe from yet another threat |
| 23:14.01 | foxlit | You're thinking small |
| 23:14.01 | foxlit | implement texture codec in pure lua! |
| 23:14.11 | ckknight | ...lol |
| 23:14.13 | ckknight | and sound |
| 23:14.25 | foxlit | But tbh, you could, sort of |
| 23:14.28 | Drundia | that will make some nice size |
| 23:14.46 | foxlit | (or .m2 Rick) |
| 23:15.33 | pneumonochrome | Okay, back to my problem earlier. I'm trying to use AddMessage using a chat window's name instead of it's index (instead of ChatWindow4:AddMessage). It was suggested that I try something like _G(foo):AddMessage where foo is the variable in which is stored the name of the chat window. I'm not getting anywhere with that. Anyone else have any ideas? |
| 23:15.54 | foxlit | _G[foo] |
| 23:16.12 | Drundia | it's ChatFrame too |
| 23:16.23 | Drundia | not ChatWindow |
| 23:16.28 | dylanm | _G is just a table for all globals. |
| 23:16.32 | pneumonochrome | Aye, ChatFrame, I have that working. |
| 23:16.34 | ScytheBlade1 | pneumonochrome: it won't work, sadly. I tried Shirik's suggestion, and either he didn't explain it in full or something else. |
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| 23:16.39 | Drundia | i don't think _G is present in wow by deafult |
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| 23:16.50 | pneumonochrome | Scythe, thanks. |
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| 23:16.50 | dylanm | It is. |
| 23:16.51 | Drundia | _G = getfenv(0) |
| 23:16.54 | Drundia | hmm |
| 23:16.55 | Drundia | is it? |
| 23:17.01 | dylanm | It wasn't before, but it is now. |
| 23:17.02 | Drundia | well, right |
| 23:17.06 | pneumonochrome | Doing a /dump _G with devtools installed sure returns a lot |
| 23:17.08 | Drundia | Blizzard_CombatLog makes it |
| 23:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | dylanm: I've got a chat frame named "Debug" - and _G["Debug"] == nil here. |
| 23:17.14 | AnduinLothar | getglobal("ChatFrame1") == _G["ChatFrame1"] |
| 23:17.22 | dylanm | Or that, yes. |
| 23:18.15 | cog|work | Drundia: no |
| 23:18.21 | cog|work | it's built in |
| 23:18.28 | cog|work | maybe it makes a local copy? |
| 23:18.32 | cog|work | for performance? |
| 23:19.28 | Drundia | i'm pretty sure _G wasn't there before |
| 23:19.33 | dylanm | It wasn't. |
| 23:19.36 | cog|work | before what? |
| 23:19.41 | cog|work | not before this last patch... |
| 23:19.43 | dylanm | Some versions ago. |
| 23:19.47 | Drundia | in Blizzard_CombatLog.lua there is _G = getfenv(0) |
| 23:19.57 | dylanm | That's what haste told me and his word is gospel. |
| 23:19.59 | cog|work | is it local? |
| 23:20.05 | Drundia | no |
| 23:20.08 | foxlit | Lua 5.1.3 Copyright (C) 1994-2008 Lua.org, PUC-Rio |
| 23:20.08 | foxlit | > =_G; -- table: 0x1003a0 |
| 23:20.30 | pneumonochrome | Hrmmm. So, a /dump _G["ChatFrame1"] returns a lot of data, including the name of the window |
| 23:20.30 | haste | Drundia: we didn't have _G before 2.0 |
| 23:20.51 | foxlit | It's a lua feature |
| 23:21.02 | haste | we've had it since 2.0 however |
| 23:21.05 | cog|work | _G is built into Lua. I think they removed it originally, but then when they migrated to Lua 5.1 they left it in |
| 23:21.09 | Drundia | i think somewhere in 2.0 it wasn't there either... but hmmm.... |
| 23:21.12 | Drundia | well right |
| 23:21.19 | Drundia | Blizzard_CombatLog makes a local one |
| 23:21.29 | Drundia | but really, would it speed up anything? |
| 23:21.38 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:21.39 | Drundia | it's like same table lookup |
| 23:21.42 | cog|work | absolutely |
| 23:21.44 | foxlit | Not quite |
| 23:21.46 | Shirik | no |
| 23:21.47 | Drundia | or? |
| 23:21.50 | Drundia | hmm |
| 23:21.58 | Shirik | because if you do _G["foo"] that's TWO table lookups |
| 23:21.59 | Drundia | local environment then global normally? |
| 23:21.59 | foxlit | You look up _G in _G if you don't local it |
| 23:22.02 | Shirik | first for _G, then for "foo" |
| 23:22.09 | Shirik | if it's a local _G, you skip the _G lookup |
| 23:22.11 | Drundia | no i mean |
| 23:22.19 | Drundia | looking for _G["foo"] and foo |
| 23:22.37 | Shirik | if _G is local they're equivalent, however if you're doing that you're better off with a local foo |
| 23:23.00 | Drundia | then it strange, why would there be need to make local _G |
| 23:23.08 | Shirik | if you don't have access to it like that |
| 23:23.09 | cog|work | because it makes using _G faster |
| 23:23.17 | Shirik | how do you do _G["foo"..x] without _G? |
| 23:23.24 | batrick | you don't |
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| 23:23.31 | Drundia | getglobal ftw though |
| 23:23.37 | Shirik | getglobal is evil |
| 23:23.38 | cog|work | getglobal ftl |
| 23:23.40 | Drundia | but it's likely slower |
| 23:23.41 | ckknight | Shirik: they're not equivalent, since _G[x] is a O(lg n), local x is a O(1) |
| 23:23.41 | foxlit | getfenv! |
| 23:23.44 | Drundia | so yeah |
| 23:23.45 | foxlit | because we're evil |
| 23:23.45 | Drundia | ftl |
| 23:23.48 | ScytheBlade1 | getglobal ftw |
| 23:24.07 | pneumonochrome | Wowiki doesn't think it is a local _G, wowwiki indicates it's the global _G, and recommends making a local copy if you're going tobe using it alot, but I really don't understand a lot of what I was reading there. |
| 23:24.09 | Drundia | is it a lg n? |
| 23:24.13 | Drundia | it's more like for tree |
| 23:24.17 | Shirik | ckknight: that isn't remotely close to what I was saying |
| 23:24.19 | Drundia | aren't hash tables close to O(1) |
| 23:24.36 | Drundia | and that n do you use there? |
| 23:24.47 | cog|work | yeah... table lookups are constant time |
| 23:24.54 | Shirik | drop the "local" and they're equivalent if you have a local _G |
| 23:24.59 | Shirik | that's what I said |
| 23:25.14 | Drundia | are numerical arrays faster in lua? |
| 23:25.20 | batrick | yes |
| 23:25.46 | Shirik | table.maxn is a good function, you should use it wherever possible |
| 23:26.00 | sag_ich_nicht | look |
| 23:26.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 23:26.02 | ckknight | Shirik: oh, okay then, actually if you have local _G, then _G["x"] is faster than x, since it doesn't have to do an env lookup. not much faster, though |
| 23:26.06 | batrick | table.maxn has huge cost |
| 23:26.17 | sag_ich_nicht | go and help Antiarc with Omen/Threat-2.0 so the errors go away in this century |
| 23:26.21 | Shirik | it was a joke batrick :P |
| 23:26.26 | batrick | o |
| 23:26.30 | sag_ich_nicht | and i also hope conspiracy gets released in this century |
| 23:27.06 | batrick | it'll be released when WoW dies |
| 23:27.12 | batrick | batbot: amirite? |
| 23:27.12 | batbot | batrick, My sources say no. |
| 23:27.13 | Shirik | pneumonochrome: It IS a global _G |
| 23:27.19 | Shirik | until you make it local |
| 23:27.21 | [sync] | :O |
| 23:27.23 | [sync] | hello |
| 23:27.31 | [sync] | could i ask a question and not get flamed? |
| 23:27.37 | pneumonochrome | Shirik: That's what I though. Thanks. |
| 23:27.48 | Shirik | ~asktoask |
| 23:27.49 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 23:27.50 | pneumonochrome | Sync: I've asked some pretty dumb questions today and not gotten flamed.... |
| 23:27.56 | Drundia | table.maxn doesn't really return maximum index in numerical part of table |
| 23:27.56 | [sync] | :O |
| 23:27.57 | [sync] | ok |
| 23:28.05 | Shirik | Drundia: Sure it does |
| 23:28.07 | Drundia | it returns just maximum after linear traversal |
| 23:28.10 | [sync] | whats that addon that sticks the really sexy looking bar at the bottom of the UI |
| 23:28.15 | [sync] | spartan UI uses it, |
| 23:28.18 | Drundia | that's what manual for it says |
| 23:28.31 | Drundia | we talk about part that is numerical array |
| 23:28.35 | [sync] | . . . . |
| 23:28.46 | Drundia | it's like such 2^n that at least half of indices are non-nil |
| 23:28.54 | [sync] | something along the lines of x-art, but i've tried that, and i don't know how to customize the icon locations |
| 23:29.03 | [sync] | any help? |
| 23:29.41 | Shirik | lua> t={1,2,3}; t[100] = 10; t[4000] = 8; t[220.329] = 4; print(table.maxn(t)) |
| 23:29.41 | lua_bot | Shirik: 4000 |
| 23:29.48 | [sync] | . . . . . . |
| 23:29.50 | Shirik | it's just an extremely slow function Drundia |
| 23:30.03 | [sync] | Shirik, please help? |
| 23:30.08 | Nechckn | sync hold on there |
| 23:30.09 | pneumonochrome | Sync: No Idea here |
| 23:30.10 | foxlit | for k, v in pairs(t) if v > ... |
| 23:30.12 | Shirik | I haven't the slightest clue |
| 23:30.14 | foxlit | *k |
| 23:30.14 | Drundia | that's what i say |
| 23:30.17 | Drundia | it returns 4000 |
| 23:30.18 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:30.27 | Amarande | anyone know if they changed the time that heroic instances reset? |
| 23:30.29 | Drundia | it doesn't return 3 which is maximum speed-access value |
| 23:30.32 | foxlit | That depends on what the complexity of pairs is |
| 23:30.51 | Drundia | that isn't looked up in hash table |
| 23:31.00 | Shirik | Why would it return 3? |
| 23:31.04 | Nechckn | Which bar sync? |
| 23:31.07 | Shirik | it returns the largest maximum numerical index |
| 23:31.09 | Shirik | which is 4000 |
| 23:31.11 | [sync] | umm |
| 23:31.11 | Drundia | yeah |
| 23:31.12 | [sync] | Nech |
| 23:31.16 | Nechckn | the one view of Spartan I've found has many |
| 23:31.16 | Shirik | largest maximum.... lol |
| 23:31.25 | [sync] | the bottom one |
| 23:31.26 | Drundia | but maximum in real numerical array is 3 |
| 23:31.28 | [sync] | the phattest one |
| 23:31.32 | Amarande | I remember when heroics reset at 9am, now I'm told this one will reset in less than an hour |
| 23:31.33 | [sync] | sorry i'll /w him |
| 23:31.34 | Nechckn | or do you mean the whole "pretty thing" across the entire bottom? |
| 23:31.38 | [sync] | YES |
| 23:31.39 | [sync] | that |
| 23:31.44 | [sync] | "smexy thing" |
| 23:31.58 | foxlit | The interesting question is how the array segment behaves when used as a hash table |
| 23:31.59 | [sync] | i've tried so many comps with those bars in them, none of them worked |
| 23:32.10 | [sync] | i have a 1280x800 screen (not 1280x1024) |
| 23:32.29 | foxlit | Drundia: that isn't looked up in hash table |
| 23:32.29 | Nechckn | yeah- those are custom art, that's the problem you are running into |
| 23:32.34 | Drundia | i mean that value until which even blizzard saved variables don't contain actual indices, but have them as comments and even use nils as needed |
| 23:32.39 | foxlit | Drundia: pairs is the only iterator that would find 3000 |
| 23:32.49 | Nechckn | and the "artist" makes them function with a specific screen size / ratio |
| 23:32.51 | [sync] | explain more please. |
| 23:32.56 | [sync] | oh ok. |
| 23:33.00 | [sync] | so what addon would that be? |
| 23:33.34 | Nechckn | sync Yeah, one sec it's pretty generic just gotta find the name |
| 23:33.42 | [sync] | thanks man |
| 23:34.44 | [sync] | wow... |
| 23:34.50 | [sync] | 2.4 survival guide is quite nice.. |
| 23:34.52 | Drundia | let's look for that schoolColoring subtable in saved variables for Blizzard_CombatLog |
| 23:34.55 | [sync] | I suck your bandwith =D |
| 23:35.02 | Drundia | # will return 2, maxn will return 64 |
| 23:35.37 | [sync] | are you guys talking about addons and programming? |
| 23:35.44 | Drundia | but the constructor starts with {t1, t2, nil, t4} |
| 23:36.01 | Nechckn | eepanels there we go Sync |
| 23:36.13 | Nechckn | damn, my brain was on "Sloooowww" |
| 23:36.19 | [sync] | serious? |
| 23:36.23 | [sync] | thanks. |
| 23:36.25 | Drundia | so numerical array contains 5 indices with 0 and 3 being nils |
| 23:36.27 | [sync] | lets test it! |
| 23:36.30 | Drundia | or maybe 8 |
| 23:36.37 | Nechckn | many compilations use that to make those sorts of bars along the bottom |
| 23:36.37 | Drundia | or 7 |
| 23:36.59 | Nechckn | sync it's then up to the artist to make something appropriate to fit |
| 23:37.07 | [sync] | so which bit is the art? |
| 23:37.07 | Drundia | but no lua function seems to return something between 4 and 7 for that table |
| 23:37.56 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.11 | [sync] | thanks again |
| 23:38.19 | MentalPower | Drundia: # is not guaranteed for sparse tables |
| 23:38.51 | MentalPower | the definition of # is a number i such that t[i] is not nil and t[i+1] is nil |
| 23:40.26 | Nechckn | sync Another one is skinner that will help to change different bits and pieces of the UI too... I'm looking for a page for you- just a minute |
| 23:40.28 | [sync] | yes! |
| 23:40.29 | [sync] | i found it. |
| 23:40.38 | [sync] | well i didn't |
| 23:40.45 | [sync] | i confirmed that eepanels is the bottom bit |
| 23:41.00 | Nechckn | sync yeah, you can do just about anything with it |
| 23:41.05 | [sync] | thanks |
| 23:41.13 | [sync] | so where would i find 1280x800 art |
| 23:41.14 | [sync] | google it? |
| 23:41.26 | [sync] | or is there some place where all the designers gather up? |
| 23:41.39 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.58 | Nechckn | I had a few bookmarks but can't find 'em... |
| 23:42.04 | Nechckn | lemme look one more place |
| 23:42.13 | Drundia | MentalPower, but there is no function that will determine the point where numerical array ends and associative array starts |
| 23:42.18 | [sync] | thanks. |
| 23:42.29 | Drundia | it is in c api probably, but not in lua |
| 23:42.30 | MentalPower | Drundia: thats the best there is actually |
| 23:42.33 | [sync] | Durndia, what addon are you trying to make? |
| 23:42.37 | [sync] | it sounds quite sophisticated |
| 23:42.43 | Drundia | i'm not really trying |
| 23:42.51 | Drundia | i'm discussing the evil array sizes |
| 23:43.27 | [sync] | O.o |
| 23:44.12 | Nechckn | http://singularity.osgamers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=157 |
| 23:44.44 | Nechckn | Deuce is another... and there are alot of different frames available via the groups there [sync] |
| 23:44.55 | [sync] | thanks |
| 23:44.59 | bleeter | taking bets on 2.4.2 and extended maintenance this week |
| 23:45.06 | [sync] | thanks for helping |
| 23:45.07 | [sync] | lol |
| 23:45.34 | Nechckn | np... best of luck- anything is possible, have fun finding one you like! =) |
| 23:45.35 | [sync] | deuce |
| 23:45.38 | [sync] | is a comp |
| 23:45.48 | Drundia | no 2.4.2 please until ScrollingMessageFrames are fixed |
| 23:45.49 | MentalPower | bleeter: if theres patch, it will be 2.4.1 |
| 23:45.49 | [sync] | owell |
| 23:45.50 | [sync] | thanks man |
| 23:45.58 | Drundia | and no 2.4.1 either |
| 23:45.59 | Nechckn | right- but look through they post different frames for the bottom, using eepanels |
| 23:46.07 | [sync] | ok. |
| 23:46.09 | [sync] | GLIDER WTF |
| 23:46.11 | [sync] | FTW* |
| 23:46.13 | [sync] | jokes~ |
| 23:46.18 | Nechckn | boo hiss |
| 23:46.19 | [sync] | off to wow |
| 23:46.20 | [sync] | thanks |
| 23:46.30 | bleeter | MentalPower: I thought they'd got into the habit of reserving x.y.1 for emergency patches, and x.y.2 for the patch first week after (that'd been exposed during final PTR triage bu they'd gone live with) |
| 23:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | [sync]: I won't lie, their forums are comical |
| 23:46.52 | MentalPower | bleeter: they don't go live with bugs |
| 23:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | In that respect, yes, glider ftw |
| 23:47.05 | [sync] | lol |
| 23:47.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "I WAS BANNED WHAAA" |
| 23:47.12 | bleeter | MentalPower: a buncha OSX users say 'Bollocks to you!' :P |
| 23:47.15 | [sync] | i just thought i pull out some random rebel stuff |
| 23:47.18 | ScytheBlade1 | "lolbotters" |
| 23:47.20 | [sync] | lol |
| 23:47.21 | [sync] | hahahaa |
| 23:47.26 | [Liquidor] | this is just crazy ... even at this time -.- http://i29.tinypic.com/34j7jw8.jpg |
| 23:47.26 | [sync] | its like saying myg0t on CS |
| 23:47.30 | bleeter | as well as, I guess, linux users tho I ain't tested that hehe |
| 23:47.30 | MentalPower | bleeter: many of those are regression bugs |
| 23:47.40 | [sync] | people are like, oh no you didn ' t |
| 23:47.48 | [sync] | omgz0r h4xxx |
| 23:47.59 | bleeter | MentalPower: nah, this was the filesystem handling re-write. they forgot about symlinks ;) |
| 23:48.03 | pneumonochrome | Okay, so I'm thinking the best way for me to accomplish this, then is to iterate through GetChatWindowInfo() for all the chat windows, pulling the name and setting the names as the keys for a hash with the ChatFrame number as the value, and then just changing what the user types in to the ChatFrame# form for the AddMessage command, anyone think of anything simpler? |
| 23:48.26 | bleeter | MentalPower: tigerclaw actually said, I think, was slated for 2.4.2 'coz it was too late for 2.4. hmmm |
| 23:48.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.asylum.com/2008/03/31/no-picnic-man-charged-with-screwing-a-patio-table/ |
| 23:49.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin (n=wobin@124-168-142-171.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:49.21 | MentalPower | bleeter: oh, that one, yes sorry. forgot to mention known but meh bugs too :) |
| 23:49.51 | bleeter | I'm enjoying reading about the GV withdrawl limit not resetting bug |
| 23:52.44 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/4204/#comment_341689 <--hilarious troll is hilarious |
| 23:53.14 | MentalPower | pneumonochrome: hi |
| 23:53.28 | MentalPower | pneumonochrome: can you go to the norg dev channel? |
| 23:53.54 | Nechckn | #Norganna-dev to be exact =) |
| 23:59.44 | pneumonochrome | Mental Power: Sure! |
