| 07:26.14 | Zanix | wow.. |
| 07:26.18 | Zanix | so quiet |
| 09:43.11 | PleegWat | That's what you get when I'm shopping for my grandma |
| 09:43.46 | PleegWat | If you wanna chat don't wait too long, need to go off to amsterdam in an hour |
| 09:46.56 | Zanix | ok |
| 09:47.11 | Zanix | hiya pleeg |
| 09:47.11 | PleegWat | So anything up? |
| 09:47.15 | Zanix | ready to panic? |
| 09:47.23 | PleegWat | for next tuesday? |
| 09:47.28 | Zanix | its lots of fun |
| 09:47.31 | Zanix | yeah |
| 09:47.38 | Zanix | wednesday for you , hehe |
| 09:47.58 | Zanix | yeah, wowdb.php needs to be re-written |
| 09:48.17 | Zanix | i would have liked 1.7.2 to be ready, but it's not |
| 09:48.39 | PleegWat | char.php needs a redesign I'd guess, at least visual with the extra stats |
| 09:48.44 | PleegWat | Do we even have a CP beta yet? |
| 09:48.51 | Zanix | tomorrow |
| 09:48.54 | Zanix | CharacterProfiler and GuildProfiler |
| 09:49.03 | Zanix | ...i love my auto replce |
| 09:49.08 | Zanix | replace |
| 09:49.18 | Zanix | now if it can just auto correct my spelling |
| 09:49.18 | PleegWat | Oh, I've got one somewhere too |
| 09:49.29 | PleegWat | Feed it with word's autoreplace list? |
| 09:49.44 | Zanix | lol, yeah |
| 09:49.51 | Zanix | we already have a feature request for 2.0 patch support |
| 09:50.08 | PleegWat | lol |
| 09:50.27 | Zanix | at least, wowdb.php, char.php, and update.php will have to be fixed |
| 09:50.36 | Zanix | char.php isnt as important |
| 09:50.46 | Zanix | man, I wish we were ready for this |
| 09:51.00 | Zanix | and wish we had a bigger "active" team |
| 09:51.07 | PleegWat | Yeah |
| 09:51.16 | PleegWat | Well, you tackle wowdb, I'll do char? |
| 09:51.35 | Zanix | sure, can do...I even got some requests for CharacterProfiler and GuildProfiler in for 2.0 |
| 09:51.49 | Zanix | like multiguild-same realm support |
| 09:52.06 | Zanix | CharacterProfiler is changing alot for 2.0 |
| 09:52.28 | PleegWat | I read your log |
| 09:52.28 | Zanix | it will have a separate mini item db saved |
| 09:52.31 | Zanix | yeah |
| 09:52.41 | Zanix | I told calvin to just go all balls on the cahnges |
| 09:52.59 | PleegWat | We need to at some point |
| 09:53.08 | Zanix | yes, very true |
| 09:53.16 | PleegWat | Sitting around with compatibility data just clogs up the memory and the file format |
| 09:53.24 | Zanix | exactly |
| 09:53.40 | Zanix | i told him no compatibility |
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| 09:54.03 | Zanix | do you think we can get 1.7.2 out just because of this |
| 09:54.07 | PleegWat | Does the old CP work on woow 2.0? |
| 09:54.15 | Zanix | no, it breaks |
| 09:54.24 | Zanix | ive tried |
| 09:54.28 | PleegWat | I mean after fixing the toc of course |
| 09:54.35 | Zanix | yeah |
| 09:54.50 | PleegWat | It calls old mods incompatible instead of out of date so you have to change the toc before trying |
| 09:55.38 | Zanix | true |
| 09:55.40 | Zanix | i know that |
| 09:55.53 | PleegWat | I hope someone fixes either necrosis or aspected for 2.0 |
| 09:56.10 | Zanix | 20000 instead of 11200 |
| 09:56.39 | PleegWat | I used to run a self-modded version of aspected with warlock summons on the buttons |
| 09:57.14 | PleegWat | Until I discovered necrosis a month or two back |
| 09:57.51 | PleegWat | I'm a button freak... |
| 09:58.50 | Zanix | hehe |
| 09:59.19 | Zanix | i dont have a lock, but I have a mage, and use a mage version of necrosis |
| 09:59.45 | Zanix | yep, nice interface errors |
| 09:59.58 | Zanix | appempt to call a table value |
| 10:00.38 | PleegWat | That's why I run IEF. I get a message every 30 secs or so (varies a lot, varies per enemy) from blizzard's combattext |
| 10:01.02 | PleegWat | dunno if it's a blizzard bug or if something is trying to use it instead of SCT |
| 10:01.26 | Zanix | yep, cp errors...alot |
| 10:01.47 | Zanix | i dont IEF on the test client |
| 10:01.53 | Zanix | *have IEF |
| 10:02.18 | PleegWat | Hm, not even sure if I had |
| 10:02.36 | PleegWat | I dumped cosmos on it cause it errored and a lot of stuff wasn't in yet anyway |
| 10:02.50 | PleegWat | If their beta release is anything to go by they've got a lot of work to do this weekend |
| 10:03.56 | PleegWat | I'm gonna have to find myself a PTR guild if I want to do the roster dev stuff |
| 10:04.23 | Zanix | i havent use cosmos for a year now |
| 10:04.38 | Zanix | is there only one test server, for all clients? |
| 10:05.09 | PleegWat | Only one EU test server (PvE), no pvp/rp/rp-pvp servers, and that's for all languages |
| 10:05.29 | PleegWat | Plus the character transfer has been overloaded all the time |
| 10:06.49 | PleegWat | I also wanna do an affliction spec tryout this weekend |
| 10:08.29 | Zanix | hehe |
| 10:08.36 | Zanix | I only have a hunter |
| 10:08.47 | Zanix | oh, and a 19 shaman |
| 10:09.57 | PleegWat | No 60s to throw new specs at? |
| 10:10.36 | Zanix | yeah, my hunter |
| 10:10.40 | Zanix | thats it |
| 10:10.56 | Zanix | tried a beast spec |
| 10:11.19 | PleegWat | I've always had mine on MS |
| 10:13.28 | PleegWat | Should I add the level cap fix to 1.7.2 or do we include that in a 1.7.3 on jan. 16th? |
| 10:15.15 | PleegWat | I'd say add it now, except that I can't pull L60 sepereate from L61-69 so you always get a 60-69 cat. and a L70 cat. |
| 10:19.04 | Zanix | seems fine to me |
| 10:19.29 | Zanix | oh dang, IEF doesnt work on 2.0 either |
| 10:20.06 | PleegWat | Check the cosmos beta build |
| 10:20.13 | PleegWat | If I were them it'd be among the first things I fixed |
| 10:20.30 | Zanix | yeah |
| 10:20.39 | Zanix | where's cosmos? |
| 10:20.48 | PleegWat | http://www.cosmosui.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16505 It's not in the list of addons that still need fixing |
| 10:20.50 | Zanix | do they have their own site |
| 10:21.01 | Zanix | hmmm |
| 10:21.08 | PleegWat | http://www.cosmosui.org/index.php?p=download |
| 10:21.26 | PleegWat | get the testserver build |
| 10:22.18 | Zanix | doesnt have IEF in it |
| 10:22.28 | Zanix | just one big cosmos folder |
| 10:22.41 | Zanix | grrr |
| 10:22.51 | PleegWat | doesn't here |
| 10:23.21 | PleegWat | I get a collection of 74 addons. No cosmos one among it |
| 10:24.22 | Zanix | i have about that much |
| 10:24.28 | Zanix | mostly ace2 addons |
| 10:24.34 | Zanix | fubar, bartender, skinner |
| 10:24.49 | PleegWat | IEF is under !ImprovedErrorFrame. |
| 10:24.49 | Zanix | etc... |
| 10:24.52 | Zanix | yeah |
| 10:25.07 | PleegWat | Well, there's 74 in cosmos. I'd have to check ho wmany I have loaded |
| 10:25.20 | Zanix | oh, i go this one Cosmos_ThottbotBeta |
| 10:25.27 | Zanix | thats probably why |
| 10:25.40 | PleegWat | I've got 111 installed, including blizz addons |
| 10:25.44 | Zanix | its this one huh? "Cosmos_TestServer" |
| 10:25.48 | PleegWat | Yeah, the testserver one isn't makred 20000 but it is |
| 10:25.54 | PleegWat | yeah, that's what you need |
| 10:25.57 | Zanix | i have 120 |
| 10:26.21 | PleegWat | But there's a load of cosmos ones I don't have loaded |
| 10:26.32 | Zanix | 108 w/o blixx ones |
| 10:26.36 | Zanix | *blizz |
| 10:26.49 | Zanix | 21 are for fubar |
| 10:28.13 | PleegWat | I've got all of the cosmos ones installed, but not all enabled. CP/GP. Engbags. Toybar. Necrosis. Wardrobe. |
| 10:28.35 | Zanix | Error: attempt to call a table value |
| 10:28.36 | Zanix | AddOn: CharacterProfiler |
| 10:28.36 | Zanix | File: CharacterProfiler.lua |
| 10:28.36 | Zanix | Line: 2100 |
| 10:28.36 | Zanix | Count: 1 |
| 10:28.47 | PleegWat | Might build a roster addon for wardrobe in 1.8 |
| 10:28.53 | PleegWat | Showing functionality of the system and all |
| 10:29.03 | Zanix | Error: attempt to index global 'arg' (a nil value) |
| 10:29.03 | Zanix | AddOn: CharacterProfiler |
| 10:29.03 | Zanix | File: CharacterProfiler.lua |
| 10:29.03 | Zanix | Line: 298 |
| 10:29.03 | Zanix | Count: 1 |
| 10:29.06 | PleegWat | Allows ppl to have multiple equipsets enabled |
| 10:29.13 | PleegWat | ehm, showing. In roster. |
| 10:29.16 | Zanix | cool, many will like that |
| 10:29.32 | Zanix | are we gonna have the item db in 1.8? |
| 10:29.39 | PleegWat | dunno |
| 10:29.46 | PleegWat | fine with me, if I don't have to make it |
| 10:30.03 | Zanix | lol, no kidding |
| 10:30.04 | PleegWat | I'm hoping to find time for the permissions system sometime soon |
| 10:30.27 | PleegWat | The wardrobe addon may have to wait till 1.8 itself is in beta |
| 10:30.58 | Zanix | i really need to work on the next siggen too |
| 10:31.10 | Zanix | i dont have on bit of it coded |
| 10:31.11 | PleegWat | Framework first, we can do addons later |
| 10:31.17 | Zanix | true, very true |
| 10:31.19 | Zanix | lol |
| 10:31.52 | Zanix | im glad most of my addons work for the 2.0 patch |
| 10:31.53 | PleegWat | I may upgrade altmonitor for 1.8 too. I don't think integrating it with the main roster will work right |
| 10:32.35 | Zanix | probably not, best to put that on the char page though |
| 10:32.39 | Zanix | and the control panel |
| 10:32.43 | Zanix | for the user |
| 10:32.46 | PleegWat | Well, necrosis will need a full rewrite cause of protected funcitonality. Toybar and wardrobe would need only minor fixing to work out of combat. |
| 10:33.18 | Zanix | i use motsly interface addons, nothing really functional |
| 10:33.42 | PleegWat | Well, what i wanted in main roster is selecting mains/alts, and possibly visible/invisible on the main lists (user-controlled, possibly overridable/restrictable by admin) |
| 10:34.49 | PleegWat | But basically with a dropdown for which of your chars is the main and checkboxes which ones should be visible on main lists. Would only work for chars with uploaded data |
| 10:35.39 | PleegWat | A big plus of AM that isn't transferrable is that AM works with chars that don't have data uploaded |
| 10:36.25 | Zanix | very true |
| 10:37.01 | PleegWat | Reminds me of another thing. Do you think we should encourage addon authors in 1.8 to store character records (PUG raid members, pvplog enemies, etc) in the main characters table? It'd have the advantage that if the same character appears like that in multiple addons those'd be able to interact about him |
| 10:38.23 | Zanix | ive been encouraging them to not mess with the core roster tables |
| 10:38.42 | Zanix | but i do see the benifits of what you are saying |
| 10:39.01 | PleegWat | We don't want them adding columns and stuff |
| 10:39.21 | PleegWat | Or changing the interpretation of the same columns |
| 10:39.46 | Zanix | adding new ones is ok, changing existing no...no no |
| 10:40.09 | PleegWat | No, we don't want new columns. It messes stuff up if we even add a column of the same name |
| 10:40.21 | PleegWat | For new columns they should add their own table and key it on member_id |
| 10:41.02 | Zanix | yeah, i would rather that happen |
| 10:41.23 | Zanix | did you mean for something like mathos's DKP adon? |
| 10:41.35 | PleegWat | But adding ROWS is a different situation. If the rows make sense in the context of the rest of the table, we should allow it |
| 10:41.43 | PleegWat | The same thing goes for config insertion. |
| 10:42.17 | PleegWat | I'd rather have they don't mess with the roster config table (use my library instead) but it is adding rows that make sense in the context of the table |
| 10:42.52 | Zanix | right |
| 10:42.58 | PleegWat | If someone wrote an addon that adds data based on a different profiling mod I wouldn't want to stop them from using the main tables either |
| 10:43.13 | Zanix | very true |
| 10:43.54 | PleegWat | Gotta catch the train in 20 mins |
| 10:44.38 | PleegWat | So I'm going off |
| 10:44.38 | PleegWat | cu |
| 10:46.17 | Zanix | later |
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| 17:24.17 | jasbascom | howdy, I see that calvin just released betas of character profiler for PTR/BC |
| 17:24.59 | jasbascom | is Roster 1.7.1 ready to correctly use this data? |
| 17:35.06 | PleegWat | No. |
| 17:35.20 | PleegWat | There were significant data format changes in that CP version |
| 17:35.32 | PleegWat | 1.7.2 will be able to read that data |
| 17:35.53 | PleegWat | We'll do our best to have it done by tuesday, but no promises |
| 17:36.58 | jasbascom | tough |
| 17:37.21 | jasbascom | didn't give you much notice did they? :\ |
| 17:37.32 | PleegWat | It took calvin a while to get the CP beta out |
| 17:38.04 | PleegWat | This weekend we'll work on the wowdb parts first, add all the new data fields to the system |
| 17:38.21 | PleegWat | Also we'll upgrade the char.php to show that new data |
| 17:38.31 | jasbascom | well, if you guys need help testing I'd be happy to help. |
| 17:38.45 | PleegWat | We've decided to do public betas starting this version |
| 17:39.15 | jasbascom | cool, you gonna use forums to coordinate the testing? |
| 17:39.54 | PleegWat | Basically it's tough luck for us that calvin didn't get into BC beta. Our development cycle is slow compared to most wow mods cause we are usually resilient enough to not have to update at wow patches |
| 17:40.08 | jasbascom | yea. |
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| 17:40.37 | jasbascom | you'd think someone at blizz would be smart enough to give calv a key for this kind of major change |
| 17:40.38 | PleegWat | I'm not sure, I'll keep the possibility open you can actually update 1.7.1 with the 2.0 CP |
| 17:41.01 | jasbascom | might bork up the data a bit no? what with the talent changes... |
| 17:41.13 | PleegWat | wouldn't |
| 17:41.19 | PleegWat | We've never had to patch for talent updates yet |
| 17:41.24 | jasbascom | cool. |
| 17:41.55 | jasbascom | not much else is changing, though in calvins post he said the data format is changing in some way |
| 17:42.04 | jasbascom | he instructed people not to upload their data... |
| 17:42.18 | PleegWat | Hm, wait. I think 1.7.x is hardcoded for 7 ranks in display |
| 17:42.25 | PleegWat | It'll fetch the data for rank 8 and 9 but won't display |
| 17:42.29 | jasbascom | data format of cp i mean |
| 17:42.48 | PleegWat | There's data changes for multiguild support, without compatibility data at the old location |
| 17:43.15 | PleegWat | ANd a couple of changed/new fields in the character data |
| 17:43.20 | jasbascom | well regardless, your work is appreciated. I know blizz didn't give much notice... |
| 17:43.27 | PleegWat | That's the only visual aspect we'll have to update |
| 17:43.43 | jasbascom | yea, should be minor till BC |
| 17:44.05 | PleegWat | I also patched in 61-70 for the level overview yesterday |
| 17:44.17 | jasbascom | awesome. |
| 17:45.47 | PleegWat | Yup, talent display is hardcoded for 7 ranks |
| 17:46.16 | PleegWat | I'll probably transfer the one from 1.8, that one's independent of that and should be compatible |
| 17:46.22 | PleegWat | And there's redesign of the first tab, orf course |
| 17:46.32 | jasbascom | no other 1.8 dependecies? |
| 17:46.33 | PleegWat | Anyway I've got MC in half an hour, so I'm off |
| 17:46.35 | jasbascom | heh |
| 17:46.37 | jasbascom | later man |
| 17:46.39 | jasbascom | thanks again. |
| 17:46.55 | PleegWat | There's not much fundamental changes for the char page in 1.8 |
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