| 00:19.58 | Linera | well smarty template engine is too confusing to install |
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| 00:56.06 | PoloDude | evening |
| 00:56.11 | PoloDude | well goodnight actually :s |
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| 01:48.35 | PoloDude | having fun Zeryl ? :p |
| 01:49.42 | Zeryl | no |
| 01:50.44 | PoloDude | :) ready for release? |
| 01:50.59 | PoloDude | getting your copy around midnight or not? |
| 01:51.14 | Zeryl | yep, 3 copies of BC collector's |
| 01:51.35 | Zanix|away | I cant afford it |
| 01:51.48 | Zanix|away | so I wont be playing the new stuff |
| 01:52.27 | Linera | hey |
| 01:52.45 | Linera | anyone know of a good template engine? |
| 01:53.19 | PoloDude | you serious, 3 CE :s |
| 01:53.26 | Zeryl | yep |
| 01:53.30 | PoloDude | damn :p |
| 01:53.30 | Linera | huh? |
| 01:53.34 | PoloDude | where you from? |
| 01:53.46 | PoloDude | :p |
| 01:53.59 | PoloDude | if you were from EU i would ask for a copy ;) |
| 01:54.32 | Zeryl | heh |
| 01:54.53 | PoloDude | i hope i'm getting one :s |
| 01:55.07 | Zeryl | should have pre-ordered |
| 01:55.19 | PoloDude | the first i ordered will be distributed by first come first served basis on the midnight release |
| 01:55.27 | PoloDude | so that's small chance |
| 01:55.44 | Zeryl | ahhh |
| 01:55.51 | PoloDude | the second i ordered put me 12th on a list and they have only 11 in shop ... |
| 01:56.02 | Zeryl | i've already paid the $69 for them, so i better get them |
| 01:56.14 | PoloDude | and the 3th, well they only had 1 and i should have it |
| 01:56.29 | PoloDude | so did i, and still they do first come first served :( |
| 01:57.47 | PoloDude | first newspost on site isn't good though |
| 01:57.48 | PoloDude | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/ |
| 01:58.14 | PoloDude | and you're not even getting the normal expansion zanix? |
| 01:59.17 | Zeryl | wierd polo |
| 01:59.31 | PoloDude | ye, they forgot to include the code or something |
| 02:00.54 | Zanix|away | nope, I dont have the money |
| 02:01.00 | PoloDude | DAMN /S |
| 02:01.03 | PoloDude | sorry |
| 02:01.06 | PoloDude | damn :s |
| 02:01.30 | PoloDude | glad i still live at home ^^ |
| 02:01.42 | Zeryl | heh, wish i didn't have to pay rent :( |
| 02:01.46 | Zanix|away | :| |
| 02:02.10 | Zeryl | use smarty |
| 02:02.16 | Linera | ??? |
| 02:02.18 | Zeryl | it's the only ful-fledged one in PHP |
| 02:02.29 | Zeryl | or write your own |
| 02:02.43 | Linera | I don't know php |
| 02:02.48 | Linera | i'm learning |
| 02:03.47 | Linera | so i wouldn't know how to write my own |
| 02:03.58 | Anaxent | Linera, if you wanna learn just dive in stop sighing, stop being being a baby pick up a book read tutorals, this is not the place or people to cry too |
| 02:04.38 | Anaxent | now off to watch 24 |
| 02:04.39 | Linera | tutorials don't work for me |
| 02:05.07 | PoloDude | cya Anaxent :p have fun with 24 ^^ |
| 02:05.14 | Zeryl | 2hour season premier |
| 02:05.35 | Zanix|away | then figure something out, we are not here to hold your hand and do all your thinking |
| 02:05.55 | PoloDude | from 5th season? |
| 02:06.15 | Linera | I was told by a friend to get a template engine for making a cms |
| 02:06.23 | Linera | and i can't find one |
| 02:06.26 | Zeryl | your getting in WAY over your head |
| 02:06.29 | Zeryl | you need to start small |
| 02:06.45 | Zeryl | there is a LOT more to programming than knowing syntax |
| 02:06.51 | Zeryl | programming theory is more important |
| 02:07.49 | Linera | ? |
| 02:08.38 | Zeryl | a cms is difficult, very difficult, it can take a team of programmers MONTHS to get something ready to even show the world, not saying that it's even usable yet |
| 02:09.28 | Zeryl | Polo: we killed our server today :) -- 300+ people running to ogrimar killed it |
| 02:09.40 | PoloDude | lol |
| 02:10.06 | PoloDude | wonder what that will give when all players will be going to portal :p |
| 02:10.23 | Zanix | server mealtdown |
| 02:10.31 | PoloDude | probably hehe |
| 02:10.54 | PoloDude | seen this one yet? http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/diagram.jpg |
| 02:11.14 | Zeryl | yes |
| 02:11.40 | Zanix | wow |
| 02:11.45 | Zanix | you are kidding me |
| 02:12.00 | PoloDude | you have to get friendly with those dragons at time cavern too i guess? |
| 02:13.08 | PoloDude | think mount hijal q will be the best :d |
| 02:13.31 | Linera | well back to the drawing board |
| 02:14.13 | PoloDude | anyway, off to bed, get some sleep before i go get my CE at midnight ... |
| 02:14.15 | PoloDude | cya |
| 02:14.37 | PoloDude | 20h to go ^^ |
| 03:12.39 | Linera | anyone know where they list all the functions for wow addons? |
| 03:13.08 | Zeryl | wowwiki |
| 03:13.19 | Linera | i got lost on there |
| 03:15.04 | Zanix | then you shouldnt be coding a wow addon |
| 03:15.08 | Zeryl | Front Page, on the right side, big letter "Interface Customization", under that, UI Begginers Page, and WORLD OF WARCRAFT API |
| 03:16.22 | Linera | which one is it? global or widget? |
| 03:17.00 | Zanix | well, figure it out, you said you learn by doing and not following a tutorial or someone telling you what to do |
| 03:18.14 | Linera | looks like 90% haven't got an explantion for them typed out |
| 03:18.34 | Zeryl | That's very untrue |
| 03:18.47 | Zeryl | I've used it hundreds of times as reference, they have quite a bit of info there |
| 03:19.10 | Linera | i see alot of red links which means that page it links to is blank |
| 03:19.40 | Linera | well at least on widgets |
| 03:20.03 | Zeryl | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 03:20.05 | Zanix | blizz doesnt explain every api function that is available |
| 03:20.23 | Linera | well that is dumb on blizz's part |
| 03:20.49 | Zeryl | No, it's not |
| 03:20.54 | Zeryl | blizzard doesn't explain any of it |
| 03:20.59 | Zeryl | it's all been found out through exploration |
| 03:21.13 | Zeryl | they have enough to do, without writing and updating an api after every change |
| 03:21.34 | Zeryl | they are decent enough to say "we've change xxx function", it's not hard to figure out how to use it, especially while looking at how blizzard implements it in their own code |
| 03:26.37 | Linera | looks like the addon idea i have is impossible |
| 03:26.50 | Zeryl | doubt it |
| 03:28.57 | Linera | a dkp addon that awards to player not character |
| 03:29.13 | Zeryl | that's what tables are for |
| 03:29.22 | Zeryl | in fact, a guildie and I made that exact addon |
| 03:29.40 | Linera | where at? |
| 03:29.52 | Zeryl | private addon, only officers of the guild have it |
| 03:29.58 | Linera | :( |
| 03:30.26 | Linera | i have yet to see one that actually does |
| 03:31.36 | Linera | I don't see any functions that allow you to get who player is and not character |
| 03:31.48 | Zeryl | you can't do that, you have to manually associate main->alt |
| 03:31.56 | Zeryl | that would be a HUGE violation of privacy |
| 03:32.01 | Linera | see told ya |
| 03:32.06 | Linera | impossible |
| 03:32.18 | Zeryl | no, it's not impossible, your trying to be lazy, you have to do it manually |
| 03:32.49 | Zeryl | it's like me trying to determine which computer is accessing my website behind a school firewall, you can't do it |
| 03:32.51 | Linera | too easy for a player to hop onto an alt and not tell you he is on an alt and then have a dkp pool each character |
| 03:32.55 | Zeryl | (you can, but it's nearly imposisble) |
| 03:33.09 | Zeryl | again, that's what a table is for |
| 03:33.27 | Zeryl | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.30 | Zeryl | really simple |
| 03:33.44 | Linera | you just said you have to manually tell it the character is an alt |
| 03:33.46 | Zeryl | hell, you could automatically have it do it with a /whisper as well |
| 03:35.37 | Zeryl | if you are wanting help w/ lua, i would suggest #wowi-lounge, or #lua, or #wowace |
| 03:37.41 | Linera | only thing that came close to tracking alts was an addon where it looks at the guild note(so it wasn't useable for a dkp system) |
| 03:37.59 | Zeryl | why? |
| 03:38.26 | dracula | we use the guild note for tracking alts |
| 03:38.28 | Linera | as it sees if the character is an alt or main by the guild note |
| 03:38.49 | Zeryl | alot of people do, we have a member alt rank, and the officer note has who's alt it is |
| 03:39.04 | Zeryl | works perfectly fine for us |
| 03:39.20 | Linera | thats good and all for guild |
| 03:39.34 | Linera | but dkp systems are public |
| 03:39.43 | Linera | where anyone can gain dkp |
| 03:40.13 | dracula | oh we dont do that in our guild, dkp only for guildies... actually only guild runs ;) |
| 03:40.16 | Linera | where i should be able to see if the player is already on the list |
| 03:40.32 | Linera | not the character |
| 03:41.01 | Linera | like a listothercharacter() function |
| 03:41.34 | Linera | where it could return the names of all characters own by said player |
| 03:41.36 | Zeryl | then build a listothercharacter function that does a look up to a table |
| 03:42.13 | Linera | the info needs to be called from blizzard's server |
| 03:42.47 | Zeryl | look, i'm not trying to be an ass here, but your not understanding how you overcome these things. you really need to learn programming theory before you attempt this stuff |
| 03:43.00 | Linera | current addons force the person to manually tell it where the character is an alt of another character |
| 03:43.02 | dracula | ./signed |
| 03:44.00 | dracula | Zeryl, you have a char named Onyxia, eh? |
| 03:44.10 | Zeryl | yep |
| 03:44.14 | dracula | really? |
| 03:44.20 | Zeryl | yep, and a friend has nefarion |
| 03:44.23 | Linera | i would need a function that calls up the names of every character on said server own by player of character in question |
| 03:44.50 | Zanix | I agree with zeryl |
| 03:44.54 | Linera | then compares those character names to the dkp table to see if they are on the list already |
| 03:45.09 | Zanix | nothing you say or do is gonna make blizz add what you want |
| 03:45.18 | dracula | a friend had picked the name "Garr" when WoW launched, waaaay before Molten Core even existed |
| 03:45.20 | Zanix | you need to figure out a way around these things |
| 03:45.27 | Linera | so you see, its impossible |
| 03:45.34 | Zanix | then stop |
| 03:45.38 | dracula | he was asked to change his name to something else when they added MC |
| 03:45.39 | Linera | no way to track alts |
| 03:45.46 | Zanix | you dont deserve to code if you think somehting is impossible |
| 03:45.56 | Linera | and you doubted my addon was impossible |
| 03:46.07 | Zanix | coding is about making the impossible possible |
| 03:46.30 | Zeryl | <?php if(in_array($charname, $arrayofchars) { $dkp += $dkpaddition; } else { $arrayofchars[$charname] = $dkpaddition; } ?> |
| 03:46.37 | Zeryl | that's php, took me 5 seconds |
| 03:46.40 | Zeryl | it's not impossible |
| 03:47.21 | Zanix | honestly, you need to learn about coding theory like zeryl said before you continue |
| 03:47.28 | dracula | Linera: stop thinking in a straight line toward your goal, find out what IS possible, workarounds, tricks, and find an channel that IS about learning to code |
| 03:47.29 | Linera | sure you could manually do it but a player can lie so each of his characters have their own dkp instead of it being pooled together |
| 03:47.39 | Zanix | and sitting here begging for help isnt going to get you anywhere |
| 03:48.15 | Zanix | then that happens, you put in code to be able to remove those associations |
| 03:48.33 | Zeryl | lrn2theory |
| 03:48.48 | Linera | can't if a player lies so you don't pool his dkp from his main and alts |
| 03:48.57 | Zeryl | why would they? it would be stupid to split your dkp |
| 03:49.35 | Linera | some players like it spli dkp pools |
| 03:49.40 | Linera | split* |
| 03:50.38 | Linera | I have seen it happen many times |
| 03:50.58 | Zeryl | there is absolutely no advantage to it, and if they want to do it, let them |
| 03:51.14 | Linera | there are advantages to it |
| 03:52.57 | Zeryl | pelase enlighten me |
| 03:54.05 | Zeryl | i've built 3 different dkp systems, there is absolutely 0 reason to have split dkp and it be an advantage for the player |
| 05:17.08 | dracula | ....silence... ;) |
| 05:17.25 | dracula | and bedtime, gn |
| 07:48.09 | Zeryl | YAY |
| 07:48.45 | Zanix | finally |
| 07:48.50 | Zanix | i didnt notice he left |
| 09:38.10 | *** mode/#wowroster [+b *!?=Linera@*.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] by PleegWat |
| 09:38.18 | PleegWat | Problem solved |
| 09:38.26 | PleegWat | Oh, and hi |
| 09:38.27 | Zeryl | HAHAHAHA |
| 09:38.29 | Zeryl | PWNED |
| 09:38.44 | Zeryl | our first ever ban |
| 09:38.58 | Zeryl | that may ban other people though :( |
| 09:39.15 | PleegWat | only if they use Linera as their name or ident |
| 09:39.19 | PleegWat | And are on the same ISP |
| 09:39.22 | Zeryl | oh, didn't see the linera part, lol |
| 09:39.51 | PleegWat | It's IP-linked hostname, the ISP may use dynamic IP and then linera can get in again if his router resets |
| 09:40.30 | Zanix | yay |
| 09:40.47 | Zanix | have you been reading some irc loggage pleeg? |
| 09:41.36 | PleegWat | I generally read full logs of this and the dev chanb |
| 09:43.46 | Zeryl | I try to do dev, I can't do this channel sometimes |
| 09:44.51 | Zeryl | brewing some coffee |
| 09:45.01 | Zeryl | old nasty coffee |
| 09:46.22 | Zanix | ewwww |
| 09:46.33 | Zeryl | what? |
| 09:59.50 | PleegWat | I wasn't able to preorder a collector's edition cause I couldn't find a place that sells them :( |
| 09:59.57 | Zanix | old nasty coffie |
| 10:00.03 | Zanix | that suck spleeg |
| 10:00.13 | Zanix | I cant afford to buy it |
| 10:00.29 | PleegWat | I've got about 6 stores I'll be checking for one tomorrow morning but I think the chances are low |
| 10:00.42 | Zeryl | :( |
| 10:07.54 | Zeryl | So i've got BSD, Linux, and Windows |
| 10:08.01 | Zeryl | What else should I add, or do you think that's enough? |
| 10:09.35 | Zeryl | Zanix: where can I get Alexis bold from? |
| 10:12.13 | Zeryl | found it |
| 10:15.49 | PleegWat | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330358 LOL (look at error message) |
| 10:15.59 | Zeryl | heh |
| 10:16.57 | Zanix | lol |
| 10:16.58 | Zanix | nice |
| 10:22.27 | Zeryl | OK, I got Linux/Windows/BSD - MySQL/MSSQL - Apache/IIS |
| 10:22.52 | Zeryl | now to figure out how to save a layer as an image |
| 10:33.51 | Zanix | yay |
| 10:33.54 | Zanix | im going to sleep |
| 10:33.59 | Zeryl | g'night |
| 10:34.04 | Zanix | good luck on that image thingy |
| 10:34.06 | Zanix | night |
| 10:46.50 | Zeryl | wanna see an overly large picture of my son? |
| 10:50.40 | Zeryl | haha, photoshop is using 1.1gb ram right now, lol |
| 11:52.17 | Zeryl | i'm going to work, cya later |
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| 14:00.30 | dracula | hmm, everytime I see my bank contents in the roster I get confused.... |
| 14:00.46 | dracula | the in-game bank is a grid of 7x4, but on the roster it's 4x7 |
| 14:01.05 | dracula | instead of rotating the bank, it wraps |
| 14:01.33 | dracula | which destroys any attempt of organization in it ;) |
| 14:18.18 | PleegWat | I know, I've noticed before |
| 14:18.31 | PleegWat | There's no special case, so the bag is 4 wide |
| 14:18.57 | PleegWat | All bags get indexed in lines, from left to right and from top to bottom |
| 14:37.55 | dracula | oh and a special treatment for the bank is not feasible? :) |
| 15:24.18 | PleegWat | I was playing a game at the time. I'll take a quick look |
| 15:32.22 | PleegWat | You'll need 3 extra images, copying out a part of the styles, and a copy of lib/bag.php that uses the altered images and some altered numbers. |
| 15:32.35 | PleegWat | And adapting 1 line in memberdetails.php |
| 15:37.16 | PleegWat | The images that need to be altered for 7 slots width are img/bagbg2.gif, img/bagtopbig.gif, and img/bagbottom.gif |
| 15:40.11 | dracula | oh you actually want to show the bank frame in 7x4 format |
| 15:41.50 | PleegWat | It's not too difficult |
| 15:41.57 | PleegWat | But it'll look terrible with bad images |
| 15:44.25 | PleegWat | http://leegwater-68.demon.nl/Roster/char.php?name=Azymyrta&server=Aggramar&action=bank this is what you get without replacing the images |
| 15:52.03 | PleegWat | Should look fine now |
| 15:56.29 | PleegWat | It's in for 1.7.3 |
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| 18:04.56 | Anaxent | good morning |
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| 18:14.02 | jbascom | hey gents |
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| 18:16.02 | Ralnok | anyhoo, |
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| 21:24.42 | dracula | PleegWat: awesome :) |
| 21:25.44 | dracula | hadn't expected you to be that fast... let me think of anything else :p |
| 21:38.52 | dracula | your guild name is too long for the avatar btw, it's ugly ;) |
| 21:45.29 | dracula | PleegWat: is Azymyrta your char? I'm also on Aggramar :) |
| 21:54.56 | Anax | haha |
| 21:59.09 | dracula | http://2js5.com/dcp/roster/char.php?name=Edgewalker&server=Aggramar |
| 21:59.19 | dracula | oh, and Idefix, Crossbow, Draculio |
| 23:12.33 | PleegWat | eu-aggramar or us-aggramar? |
| 23:12.33 | PleegWat | Oh, deathcore |
| 23:12.33 | PleegWat | yeah, that's EU |
| 23:12.34 | PleegWat | Like me |
| 23:12.34 | PleegWat | going to bed, g'night |
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| 23:27.46 | PoloDude | hows BC going? xD |
| 23:27.57 | PoloDude | portal 26min open here ^^ |
| 23:40.23 | dracula | exactly 0:00 the server restarted |
