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01:16.54Robojerksup =)
01:22.51RobojerkAnyone use that Gem Display addon?
01:22.55RobojerkGemme
01:27.00Zanixnot me
01:28.55RobojerkI can't figure it out
01:30.38Robojerkhttp://blacktemplars.org/Roster/addon/roster_addon_name=Gemme.html
01:31.50Robojerksome of the jewel crafters in the guild want it working since they have to disable the whisper gem mod during PVP
01:32.11Robojerkhmm
01:32.20Robojerkactually, I think I know what the problem is
01:33.49Robojerkwould help if they actually upload their profile
01:36.27Zanixlol
01:37.28RobojerkThe ArmorySync fakes me out
01:37.46RobojerkI see that their name is a URL, so I just assume
01:40.21Zanixhehe
01:41.33lhunathzanix: got any more smart ideas before I release 0.9.6?
01:41.57lhunathor anyone else for that matter
01:42.08Zanixnone at this time
01:42.16Zanixmore cowbell?
01:42.20lhunathI added the popup menu thingy
01:42.29Zanixcoolness
01:42.34Zanixcan t wait to see it
01:42.43lhunathbasically just redesigned the whole addon manager
01:42.48lhunathI think you'll like it.
01:48.01Zanixlol
01:48.05Robojerk=)
01:48.13lhunathlol.
01:48.33Zanixeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekk!
01:48.56Zanixi was going to work on re-doing the addon triggers in 1.8, but im not feeling up to it
01:49.15lhunathif only I could make my deploy script update wowroster and the post in the forums too; so much trouble each time
01:49.33lhunathwhat are these so called addon triggers anyway?
01:50.15Zanixwhen a CP.lua file uploads, roster can activate triggers so addons can hook into the roster update process
01:50.23Zanixits a very primative system though
01:52.59lhunathoh.
01:53.07lhunathnifty.
01:53.33lhunathI should add some more explenation to the post variables tooltip thingy
01:53.35lhunathpft.
01:53.41lhunathdocumentation --
01:55.42lhunathwowrosterdf uses username & user_password, right?
01:57.59Zanixnope
01:58.10ZanixI cant remember to be honest
01:58.42Zanixhttp://www.wowroster.net/Forums/viewtopic/t=2761.html
01:58.52Zanixulogin user_password
01:59.01Zanixroster uses no username
01:59.10Zanixand     password   for the var
02:02.16lhunathyeah.
02:02.26lhunathonly one I couldn't remember was the DF one
02:02.30lhunathnutters.
02:03.51lhunaththere there.  Any child should be able to figure it out now.
02:08.28Anaxenthey hows it going Zanix
02:09.42Zanixhi anax
02:09.47Zanixits going alright
02:10.32lhunathzanix: whenever I try to upload jUniUploader.zip to wowroster.net for a local mirror, I get a blank page
02:10.34Anaxentgood deal
02:10.47AnaxentI just got back from dinner and im stuffed
02:11.20Anaxentreally... how long does it take until it produces the blank page
02:11.27Anaxentas maybe it could be timming out
02:11.48AnaxentZanic are you sure the max upload/post size is set rightin the php.ini
02:11.57Zanixlet me check
02:13.34Anaxentand i think our download module can be set to use ftp instead of phpupload
02:13.44AnaxentI just wish it prduced a progress bar
02:14.25Zanixpost_max_size = 50M
02:14.29lhunathhttp://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie
02:14.55Zanixupload_max_filesize = 50M
02:15.02lhunathif you respect quality you'll read that url ;
02:15.02lhunathP
02:15.20lhunathwell; it's about 1.7Mb
02:15.25lhunathMB*
02:16.14lhunathlemme try again
02:17.07lhunath1:00 blank page.
02:17.14lhunathmay be some kind of timeout
02:17.42lhunaththen again, just as it hit the 60s mark it also hit the 1.7MB uploaded mark so I'm not sure what exactly caused it to stop ..
02:19.59Zanixhmm, weird
02:20.21Zanixdefault_socket_timeout = 60
02:21.33Zanixmax_execution_time = 30
02:23.24Zanixcould   max_input_time  affect this?
02:27.30lhunathI haven't a clue :\
02:28.58lhunathmax_input_time integer
02:28.59lhunathThis sets the maximum time in seconds a script is allowed to parse input data, like POST, GET and file uploads.
02:29.02lhunathprobably.
02:29.07lhunathdefaults to -1
02:31.22Zanixand if its set to -1
02:31.46Zanix"If max_input_time == -1, then the value of max_execution_time is used in
02:31.46Zanixit's place."
02:31.46Zanixhttp://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=22985
02:31.55Zanixill set it to 120 and then have you try toupoad again
02:32.02lhunathok
02:32.26Zanixok, try again
02:33.45lhunathuploading
02:34.32lhunathsuccess
02:34.42Zanixso that was it huh?
02:35.06lhunathappearantly
02:35.18Anaxent"FTP is an outdated, insecure, slow, unfriendly pig of a protocol. It's got no business being on the Internet in the 21st century." so what should takes its place
02:35.39Zanixdoesnt ssh have a file transfer protocol?
02:35.41lhunathanaxent: sftp http
02:35.47lhunathor scp
02:35.54lhunathbut http for most purposes
02:36.28lhunathhttp doesn't take 7 roundtrips to request a file.
02:36.34ZanixI dont think juu is wanting to update itself
02:36.41lhunathhrm
02:36.44Anaxentsftp would still fall in there eyes as ftp should die scp is not always easy for the public that is using thr net these days
02:37.15lhunathsftp and scp are pretty much the same thing
02:37.22Anaxenthttp though can be secure but then we reley on php settings which in the end could even cause more harm then good
02:37.39lhunathscp is just not "public" because the public is stuck on ftp; winscp and tools like that are *very* good
02:38.03lhunathphp? bleh, just plain old https + http authentication
02:38.04Zanixi hit check for update
02:38.13Zanixthen it says downloading
02:38.13Anaxentyeah I use winscp all the time makes things easy to navigate but still prefer ssh
02:38.16Zanixthen nothing
02:38.39lhunathrestart juu and hover the logo, tell me if a tooltip pops up on the logo
02:39.13Zanixthere is no logo
02:39.20Zanixhmmm
02:39.27Zanixwhere does this store the settings?
02:39.28lhunatho - what does the text say?
02:39.33lhunathin your homedir
02:39.38lhunatha file called .jUUrc
02:39.40ZanixjavaUniUploader 0.9.5
02:39.50lhunathbummer - is this windows?
02:40.33Zanixsure is
02:40.34Zanixwhat is the home directory in windows?
02:40.34Zanixlol
02:40.34lhunathI'm not sure but I think windows might lock the jars while jUU is started so they can't be overwritten
02:40.34lhunathC:\Documents and Settings\username
02:40.34Zanixah
02:40.47lhunathwindows likes locking files that are in use
02:40.50Zanixill try deleting that file
02:41.07lhunathanything in the log?
02:41.20ZanixI know that UniUploader uses an external program to update itslef
02:41.37lhunathyeah, guess I'll have to do something tricky like that too
02:41.46lhunathrelease the lock
02:41.49lhunathyukky
02:42.05ZanixChecking for updates ...
02:42.06ZanixDownloading jUniUploader update (0.9.6) ...
02:42.06ZanixInstalling jUniUploader update (0.9.6) ...
02:42.06ZanixCouldn't read latest version number!
02:42.06Zanixjava.lang.RuntimeException: Couldn't read latest version number!
02:42.06Zanixat system.Logger.error(Logger.java:164)
02:42.08Zanixat ui.Gui.checkForUpdate(Gui.java:1216)
02:42.11Zanixat ui.Gui.process(Gui.java:1649)
02:42.12Zanixat ui.Gui$10.run(Gui.java:1484)
02:42.14ZanixCaused by: java.io.IOException: The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect
02:42.17Zanixat java.io.WinNTFileSystem.createFileExclusively(Native Method)
02:42.21Zanixat java.io.File.createNewFile(Unknown Source)
02:42.21lhunatho maybe my dns's still frecked
02:42.23Zanixat ui.Gui.checkForUpdate(Gui.java:1179)
02:42.24Zanix... 2 more
02:42.36lhunathoh nm
02:42.39ZanixI can see your server now
02:42.41lhunathjava.io.WinNTFileSystem.createFileExclusively
02:42.55lhunathhmmmmm lemme investigate
02:42.56Zanixso your dn sis ok
02:42.58Zanixok
02:44.52Anaxentwhen i open jUni I see the splash but the app does not open for me
02:45.15Anaxentit creates the log files but they are empty
02:45.43Anaxentim going to update my java then try again
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02:50.43Anaxentok by upgrading from java version 5 to 6 allowed me to open the app
02:53.51ZanixI think thats the same error a mac user reported
02:55.37Anaxentand it does not allow me to set the post variables
02:56.37Zanixit just doesnt like you
02:56.51Zanixiom waiting for lhunath to tell me what to do to help him
02:57.15lhunathhrm; I rewrote the updater code a little
02:57.33lhunathand have no clue why it wouldn't open jUU, lemme try running it as java 5
02:57.48Anaxentover all though i do like the system and the features it has
02:58.05Anaxenti like the addon area nice large space to previw the addons
02:58.20lhunaththanks ^^
02:58.25lhunathwhat's going on with the post variables?
02:58.49Anaxentah Zanix it owuld be cool if we could set an image for each addon granted it may not work with UU but jUU it would look pretty cool
02:59.05Anaxentwell the imput box has a tooltip but does not allow me to enter data
02:59.15Anaxentnor did it grab the data from my UA install
03:00.39lhunathheh its not an input box, it's a list
03:00.41lhunathsilly head
03:00.45lhunathrightclick it
03:01.17Zanixwhy a list
03:01.26lhunathI see what the problem is in java5 hmm
03:01.35lhunathwhy a list for post variables?
03:01.44lhunathone item per post variable
03:01.49lhunathvarname=varvalue
03:02.33Zanixi havent seen 096 yet, sooo
03:02.40ZanixI only going by what anax says
03:02.42Zanixlol
03:02.56Zanixim waiting for anything you may want me to test
03:03.01lhunathheh, just fetch it manually, auto-update ain't gonna fix itself sadly
03:03.14lhunathnah, I can't do anything so far
03:03.20lhunathnot enough data
03:03.29lhunathand juu 0.9.5 cant give me more
03:04.08lhunathsooo.. I added a few more debug thingies to the 0.9.6 auto-updater code so that if that fails again, updating to 0.9.7 later, i might know whats going on bettter
03:04.16lhunathits prolly just the locking
03:05.07Zanixok
03:05.10Zanixwill do
03:14.14lhunathzanix: that problem with logging in on wowroster.com fixed?
03:17.23lhunathif not should just add a php check for $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] and do a header('Location: ') to send them to the right place
03:23.01lhunathif only I could figure a sane, cross-platform way of autostarting jUU heh.
03:23.06lhunathlike that'll ever work
03:25.24Zanixyeah, that could work
03:29.03lhunathits what I do for our guild website
03:29.21lhunathredirecting www.androgynous-guild.com to androgynous-guild.com
03:29.55Anaxentso yeah im a lil slow... right click huh
03:30.11Anaxentshould it not also grab what is in UA
03:32.03Anaxentso Zanix since you have seen my site using combined what do you think looks better combined llok or this one http://www.wow-deception.com/index.php
04:16.06Zanixit sucks
04:16.09Zanixhard
04:16.21Zanixactually , i like it
04:50.17Zanixhowever, i do not like the table hover effects
05:11.17Anaxenti don't like the table hover effects either
05:11.46Anaxentwait.. which one you talking about
05:11.58Anaxentthe ones that the table gets enlarged or changes color
05:47.22Zanixcolor
06:25.39Anaxenti like the color, what's wrong with it. as it shows one your over a particular forum
06:30.58Zanixthe text change is the most annoying
06:31.04Zanixthe color change is ok
06:32.33Zanixbu ti do like that mod
06:38.16Zanixyou know, I may just use that theme on wowroster.net and just start editing it
06:38.32Zanixand try to find bugs and such
06:39.06Zanixhave you tried it yet?
06:41.27Anaxentno I have not tried the theme yet
06:41.45Anaxentbut I will try it tomorrow as it really is fast and would be nice to have
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06:45.02Zanixvery true
06:45.16ZanixI do like it and im a fan of not using tables where possible
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06:50.55Zanixwhat was the download url again?
06:57.17Zanixfound it
07:16.00Zanixok, im trying it on my site
07:16.05Zanixhttp://xent.homeip.net
07:20.07ZanixI already fix the login message
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07:24.37WGSXFrankHey guys, I have a question for y'all. I was wondering if anyone could help me
07:25.23WGSXFrankI've been trying to figure out if I could include wowroster or wowroster elements into my website by using php includes or not.
07:25.43WGSXFrankI've been searching the forums for about an hour now and I can't find anything that helps
07:30.23PleegWatShould be possible.
07:31.35PleegWatYou have to include the settings.php before including anything else, settings.php includes some libraries, loads the config, and sets a constant that other files use against bad calls
07:32.11PleegWatThere's nothing in the forums about it since AFAIK noone did it before, besides CMS integrations.
07:32.28WGSXFrankhmm I'll give it a try. thanks  lot
07:32.38PleegWatwhat are you trying to do?
07:32.58WGSXFrankI'm just trying to get the roster itself to integrate into my webpage
07:33.39PleegWatmight be some work. Includes should all work, since we use full paths everywhere and autodetection of the current path in settngs.php
07:33.49WGSXFrankI only want the memberlist, levels, classes and such to show. nothing else
07:33.49PleegWatbut url/img references are all relative
07:34.04WGSXFrankhmm ok I'll give it a try and see what happens
07:41.06Zanixare you using a specific CMS software, or you rown personal design
07:41.18WGSXFrankpersonal design
07:41.41Zanixcool
07:41.58Zanixyou may just be able to edit roster_header.tpl and roster_footer.tpl
07:42.18Zanixand with some major tweaking of the css file, you should be all set
07:43.36WGSXFrankyeah it looks like I'm going to have to do that. I already started that but I was hoping I would be able to include just certain things into the website layout instead. Such as only display professions info etc, but, ah well
07:49.39Zanixwell, good luck, and let us know about the results
07:50.12WGSXFrankI will thank you
08:27.54lhunathbah guild disbanding.
08:29.11Zanixyours?
08:29.21lhunathyeah
08:29.59lhunathGM's my girlfriend's sister; and both GM and my girlfriend are leaving wow
08:30.37lhunathI've been waiting for an excuse to quit -_- but dont want to abandon everything, including jUU
08:30.47lhunathI suppose I can continue it out of wow
08:34.06Zanixyes, please
08:36.35lhunathheh, I wouldnt give up just like that; feel at the least some kind of responsability toward it
08:37.24lhunathnot even sure I'll quit wow
08:44.05lhunathanaxent: yes, it should
08:50.59lhunathanaxent: click the logo and tell me the output of jUU on the console
08:51.07lhunathit will print out all config settings on console
08:51.17lhunathincluding the post variables if any are set
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17:05.07lhunathzanix: what sort of functionality did you want to see in jUU that you missed from the old jUU?
17:07.01lhunathI'm thinking of doing something with the CharacterProfiler data myself
17:07.38lhunathlike graph guild member levelling evolution
17:07.50lhunaththat'd be nifty
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18:25.48PleegWatA useful idea might be splitting up the CP file if it's so large roster uses too much memory
18:25.56PleegWatdon't recall what size it's at for roster 1.8
18:57.35Kaoshows it going folks?
18:59.22Foxypeachy
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20:48.54lhunathpleegwat: you mean too big for upload?
20:49.42ds001The Lua Parser consumes a ton of memory..
20:50.02ds0011meg file uses about 6megs memory to process.  (or about that)
20:51.10PleegWatwell, it's not really the lua parser itself
20:51.14PleegWatit's the php array it outputs
20:51.55PleegWatIIRC it'd use 3x the file size caching the file as a php array of lines, and 5x the file size approx. for the final array
20:52.43PleegWatin 1.8 it doesn't cache the file anymore, which saves quite some memory
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20:53.05PleegWatSolves the problem for all but the most extreme altoholics
20:53.22PleegWatwell, and big guilds cause a lot of data...
20:59.01lhunathdoes php do GC?
20:59.34lhunathand; how would I split the file?
20:59.56lhunathimo that's something you should do upon file upload
21:00.14lhunathor does it have to be multiple requests?
21:00.29ds001the feature would be nice to pre-process for hosts that do not allow >2meg files etc.
21:00.29PleegWatYou'd have to send multiple requests then
21:00.58PleegWat2MB files upload limit isn't a problem because you run into the 8mb memory limit first
21:01.03PleegWateven with the improved system in 1.8
21:01.28PleegWatThe target would be splitting up the CP.lua files into separate files each containing just some characters
21:01.35PleegWatkeep the file syntax identical
21:02.01PleegWatjust turn a CP.lua for 8 chars into 2 CP.lua's for 4 chars
21:02.05PleegWatfor example
21:02.43lhunathyeah.
21:02.56lhunathwell; outline me the specifics.
21:03.14lhunathwhich xml tags are required for a file to be valid
21:03.23lhunathwhere do I split
21:03.23PleegWatIt's not XML, it's lua
21:03.31lhunathum.
21:03.33PleegWatIt's basically an array definition
21:03.37lhunathOh.
21:03.53PleegWatfirst there's a settings array. You can discard that, roster doesn't use it
21:03.56lhunathI always thought somesv.lua was an xml fine
21:04.03PleegWatnope.
21:04.52PleegWatafter that there's a definition for the myProfile array. That's the important one.
21:04.53lhunathfile*
21:05.33PleegWatmyProfile[realmName]['Guild'][Guildname], or myProfile[realmName]['Character'][characterName]
21:06.19lhunathrpgoCPpref can be trimmed out?
21:07.32lhunathand if I split the Character array up in several files with different characterNames wowroster won't choke on it and in the last file I send delete all the guild characters that aren't in it?
21:08.20PleegWatYou should probably sent the guild members first
21:08.22ds001it would if you mangled the guild array.. but not the character arrays
21:08.41PleegWatAnd keep the myProfile[realmname]['guild'][guildName] stuff above it
21:08.51lhunathevery time?
21:09.05PleegWatyeah
21:09.29PleegWatYou might wanna ask dracula for more details on how it needs to be done, I know he uses a self-written uploader that splits the cp.lua
21:09.44lhunathand what will prevent it from thinking that each time I send the file that only the members in the file are in the guild and delete the others?
21:09.58lhunathoh ok.
21:10.00PleegWatyou don't split up the guild member list.
21:10.02ds001hmm.. you should just need to send the guild array stuff once (and first) then the split characters after in the batch
21:10.16PleegWatyou send the contents of myProfile[realmname]['guild'][guildName] in one go
21:33.25draculahttp://venstraat.zapto.org/wow/ProfileUploader.zip
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22:27.23lhunathdracula: got the source?
22:39.42draculawell yes, I wrote it ;)
22:52.13ds001thats hot.. does it require any special libs?  or the ms .net bug lib?
22:57.00draculanah, I avoid .net ;)
22:59.01ds001excellent...  that is what I have been looking for.  Simple.. easy to use and no special downloading.  My guild is a "family" guild so I have many unsavvy users. :)
23:06.14draculait was the navigating to the upload page, manually browsing for the right file, that kept me (and a lot of guildies) from updating regularly
23:06.44draculabesides, my CP.lua file was too big and was rejected :s
23:06.50draculaso I had to upload in chunks
23:10.37ds001aye.. same problems for my guild.  UU was causing a lot of my users trouble and I was spending too much time supporting it so I just removed it from use.
23:10.58draculawhat kind of troubles were they having?
23:12.20ds001mostly just silly user error..
23:12.36ds001changing options around even though they shouldn't etc..
23:12.47ds001like I said.. unsavvy peeps :)
23:12.52ds001but i love em all..
23:13.03draculahehe, btw, did it detect the location of your CP.lua  ?
23:13.07draculaor did you get a prompt?
23:13.40ds001Don't have wow installed on the machine im on currently..
23:13.52draculaah then it wont detect anything no ;)
23:14.09ds001but it did pop up a dialog box asking for my CP.lua
23:14.24draculayup, the last resort
23:15.07draculalol I pressed Upload with all fields empty
23:15.41draculait doesnt like that ;)
23:24.44*** join/#wowroster Sylphid (n=Sylphid@mail.chaos-dragon.com)
23:53.01lhunathdracula: did with me on wine.
23:53.19draculadid what?
23:53.28lhunathdetect the location of CP.lua.
23:53.42draculawoo nice
23:53.54draculano idea how wine handles files and filenames
23:54.05lhunathit sort of simulates drives
23:54.06draculaand windows registry
23:54.26lhunaththat's just a file laying around in your homedir
23:54.31lhunathlooks like a .reg file in windows
23:56.32lhunathI'm releasing jUU's source code; just not sure which license to use yet
23:56.58lhunathusing the Apache license for my libs, but pondering the use of GPL for jUU itself

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