irclog2html for #wowwiki on 20070110

00:00.12Zeal4 seeds to be exact
00:00.17Zealwhich seems very wrong
00:00.20Zealuseless downloader..
00:00.20djsparkhe's been killed numerous times already
00:00.31Zealoh?
00:00.31djsparkand kruul's loot table is teh same as Kazzak
00:00.34Zealthat seems silly then
00:00.48Zealaye, would have guessed that
00:00.53Zealstop the priest whine, lol.
00:01.03Hobinheimwhat's wrong with graphics/
00:01.30djsparkso far the "invasion" has been pretty weak compared to other world events
00:04.48Hobinheimwho is kazzak?
00:07.27Zealhttp://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:8gg0Jwqr8R0J:www.wowwiki.com/Kazzak+kazzak&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=3&lr=lang_en
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00:41.25KirkburnScarab Lord = guy who opened AQ
00:45.18Zealoh i see
00:45.20Zealkk
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00:46.55Castdeadis wowwiki down?
00:47.04Zealindeed
00:48.11Castdeadand wowinterface seems to be on same server :)
00:48.41Zealoh?
00:49.02Zeal3 sites i hang out at are down, meh.
00:49.16Zeal*2/3
00:49.28Castdeador is it something strange, wowwiki, wowinterface, and curse gaming seem to be down
00:51.20Zealnope
00:51.22Zealpatch day
00:51.25Zealtypical, heh
00:52.38Castdeadah pofc :)
00:52.49Castdead2.03?
00:56.04Zealaye
01:07.39Kirkburn2.0.3, don't forget the second period
01:07.47Kirkburn(it matters)
01:08.08Zeal2.0.oooh wait lets skip versions for live..
01:08.15KirkburnAnd beta :P
01:08.23Zealnah beta was in order
01:08.32KirkburnOnly just :P
01:08.57Zealhow so?
01:08.58Kirkburn2.0.2, it died before it was born
01:09.05Zealit did? :s
01:09.09Zeallatest a while afaik
01:09.15Zeal*lasted
01:09.19KirkburnOh stop pointing out my mistakes
01:09.24Zeallol
01:09.38Zeali want the wiki back :(
01:09.54Zeali'm going cold turkey lol
01:09.56KirkburnAs do I!
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01:10.06Zealhey Tekkub
01:10.21Tekkuberf
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01:10.27Tekkubhibernation FTW
01:10.40KirkburnThe wiki is taking after you ;)
01:10.49Zeallol
01:11.01KirkburnI'm busying myself with converting my last website to divs
01:11.34KirkburnWill probably cut the file sizes in half!
01:12.08KirkburnChanging the colour scheme of this away from white on 'black', got bored of it :P http://www.clearfont.co.uk/
01:12.31Zealinteresting, it says 2.0.0-2.0.3. yet there never was a 2.0.0 lol
01:13.07KirkburnI keep seeing 2.0.0 around, pissing me off
01:13.11Zeali like it, except for the orange and yellow
01:13.40Zealwhat blizz should have done, was just stick to putting this stuff in 1.13 and 1.14...
01:13.42KirkburnIt's now light blue bg, no yellow and orange (well it'd be unreadable!)
01:13.47Zealthey will always be that to me
01:14.09Zeallol
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01:15.05Zealoh they've changed the css validator..
01:15.21Zealeither that or it's because you fogot you include you url in the link :P
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01:16.09Zealerm.. wtf
01:16.13Patrigan-SyldraJust wondering
01:16.15Zeal:last-child is unknown?
01:16.19Patrigan-SyldraWhy is the wiki STILL down? oO
01:16.25Zealdunno
01:16.39Patrigan-SyldraIt's been down like what? 5-10 hours?
01:16.43Patrigan-Syldraif noter over 12
01:16.49KirkburnPatch day!
01:16.55KirkburnIt's always like this on patch day
01:16.56Zealwtf..
01:17.01KirkburnPatch mirrors
01:17.09KirkburnPeople can't play so they browse
01:17.11Patrigan-Syldra? oO
01:17.25Patrigan-Syldranah, it's impossible that it's that Kirkburn
01:17.29KirkburnZeal, "it's because you fogot you include you url in the link :P" ?
01:17.33Patrigan-Syldrathe amount of users today has dropped
01:17.38KirkburnHow do you know?
01:17.57Zeallast-child is a valid psuedo-class, and it's never complained before...
01:18.07Patrigan-Syldraah nvm XD
01:18.08Zealbecuase i looked at the link? :S
01:18.11Patrigan-Syldrasaw a day wrong ^^
01:18.22Zealhttp://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://test.zealvurte.co.uk/index.xhtml your link is just http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator ;)
01:18.31Patrigan-SyldraWell, i had to take a run to http://www.uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page because I had nothing better to edit today >.>
01:19.43Patrigan-Syldraso, it's patchday today huh?
01:19.44KirkburnIs there any difference between calling a file .xhtml or .htm (or. html)
01:19.51KirkburnPatrigan-Syldra, yup
01:19.56KirkburnFor US :P
01:20.16KirkburnZeal, thanks for the format, wasn't sure how to put it in the url
01:20.23Patrigan-SyldraKirkburn that was yesterday
01:20.28Patrigan-SyldraTODAY it's patchday for europe
01:20.31Patrigan-Syldraor at least I hope so
01:20.36Patrigan-Syldraneed that free respecc on my droodle
01:20.49KirkburnAh shush, it's still crazy day for US
01:20.58Zealok.. apparently w3c are now saying :last-child and :first-cild psuedo-elements are now css 3 and not part of css 2.1...
01:21.19Zealwhat bull : /
01:21.28Patrigan-Syldra# "Swipe" has had its threat bonus multiplier removed.
01:21.28Patrigan-Syldra# "Maul" has had its threat bonus multiplier changed to a flat value similar in threat per time to "Heroic Strike".
01:21.32Patrigan-SyldraIMPOSSIBLE!
01:21.32Zealneed to figure out how to set it to css 3 validation now..
01:21.40Patrigan-SyldraBeartanking, it got killed there that day...
01:22.26Zeal&profile=css3 on the end :)
01:23.58Zealand as to calling the file, the only difference really is to mime sniffing from IE. but if you're serving it as xml, put it in xhtml, if you're serving it as html, then it doesn't make much difference. i server it as both depending on browser.
01:24.36Zealyou'll just need to make sure, if using apache, that index.xhtml is being looked for.
01:25.04Zeali have .php, .xhtml, .shtml, .html, .htm in that order iirc.
01:25.31Zeal*i serve it as
01:26.21ZealIE gets xhtml 1.0 strict served as html, FF gets xhtml 1.1 served as xml.
01:26.58Zealwiki serves xhtml 1.0 transitional as html iirc.
01:30.17Zealhm.. apparently :last-child is bugged in FF2 but not earlier versions or FF3 alphas :S
01:33.17Zeal:target should really have been in css2.1 so very needed. : /
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01:37.04Patrigan-SyldraI'm going to cry in my bed I think :'(
01:37.15Zeallol
01:37.16Patrigan-SyldraBlizzard has officially nerfed Beartanking to a nihillity :'(
01:37.23Zealoh?
01:37.35Zealthey can dodge mroe now..
01:37.36Patrigan-SyldraSwipe no longer has a threat modifier
01:37.36Zealheh
01:37.56Patrigan-Syldraand Maul is a flat value (meaning High DPS does not mean a lot higher threat)
01:38.14Zealand? plenty of other threat generators at their disposal.
01:38.36Patrigan-Syldra><
01:38.46Patrigan-SyldraThose were our primary threat generating abilities
01:38.52Patrigan-SyldraSwipe to keep multiple adds together
01:38.59Patrigan-Syldraand Maul to get threat FAST
01:39.09Patrigan-Syldrathat's why you have beartanks in first place
01:39.15Patrigan-Syldrato build up some fast threat
01:39.26Zealwhat wer the ones added? they were supposed to be the new primary ones afaik
01:39.53Patrigan-Syldrathere are none added
01:39.58Patrigan-Syldraour threat has been lowered
01:40.02Patrigan-Syldranothing has been upped
01:40.04Patrigan-Syldrahttp://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5527/bearformbeatingcopyun2.jpg
01:40.06Patrigan-Syldraso right :'(
01:40.38Zealithought there was one bleeding and stacking agro one, and one that worked with it? :S
01:41.54Patrigan-Syldrathey don't generate all that much threat (as in no threat modifier)
01:43.04Patrigan-Syldraah well
01:43.16Patrigan-SyldraI guess it's to be seen in raids how it will actually affect it
01:43.32Patrigan-Syldramight be that it will still work decently, just not as easy as it used to
01:43.34Zealmeh, well i've never been too into tanking and i certainly know little about druid game mechanics
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01:43.37Patrigan-SyldraGoing to my bed anyways
01:43.39Patrigan-Syldrag,
01:43.46Zealnn
01:43.53Patrigan-Syldradruids are a challenge to master
01:43.57Patrigan-Syldrayou can master 1 form
01:44.02Patrigan-Syldrabut you are still nowhere ^^
01:44.03Patrigan-Syldraso yeah
01:44.05Patrigan-SyldraI like them
01:44.06Patrigan-SyldraGN!
01:44.33Zealheh, well i played mine to 37 in beta, that was it. he's been demoted to an RP char now :P
01:44.42mgg4I know I just got here, and this is probably a FAQ right now, is anyone else having trouble getting to the Wiki?
01:46.48Zeallol
01:46.55Zealthe wiki is down, yes.
01:47.47mgg4Is there any place I might be able to assist?
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01:48.16Zealnope, we await vlad_ to pop into action
01:48.23Zealhey Adys
01:48.28Adyslo
01:48.43mgg4Ok.  Let me know if I can assist.
01:49.06AdysFin! You here?
02:07.33Finhola
02:08.11KirkburnJesus christ, my laptop is weeping
02:08.37KirkburnHaving a combination of Dreamweaver, Fireworks, IE7, FF2 and music playing does NOT go together well
02:09.32mgg4Depends on the laptop.  My P4 3.6GHz would just be getting warmed up.
02:10.32FinFF2 is a bit of a hog
02:11.27Zealindeed
02:11.33Zealand dreamweaver is poo
02:11.38AdysHolaa
02:11.39Zealand fireworks? pfft
02:12.08Zealat that point i usually hook my ipod onto my speakers isntead of running winamp/itunes :P
02:12.31Zealanyways, off to eat/watchtv/read RotH
02:12.48AdysFin :) no idea if you are registered with freenode, so come on teamspeak ;)
02:17.43sancusI think vlad is planning to upgrade the server so it dies less, or something
02:18.42mgg4Anyone know what the current server hardware is?
02:19.50Hobinheimi dunno but if you are a mac warcraft user, today is like nerdgasm city
02:20.07HobinheimZOMG I CAN LOOK AT PIX OF NELF PR0N ON MY IPHONE LOLZ
02:20.30mgg4w/e
02:20.45Hobinheimdude the iphone is like epix
02:20.47Hobinheimlegendary even
02:20.53HobinheimARTIFACT STATUS
02:21.00Hobinheim[Apple iPhone] see that?
02:21.05Hobinheimno joke
02:21.15mgg4We'll see about that in June.  Won't be out until then.  $500 price tag too.
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02:23.29KirkburnPhew _one_ page converted to divs :D
02:24.20mgg4:D
02:24.35Kirkburn:D
02:24.45sancusum
02:25.11KirkburnLo sancus
02:25.57sancuswowwiki might be a 1.7ghz PIV with 1 gig of RAM, but there could have been an upgrade that I missed, I pay little attention
02:26.31KirkburnReally, that all?
02:26.54KirkburnIn any case, vlad_ mentioned he ordered something new :) My fingers are extremely crossed
02:27.01sancusthat was the original machine, certainly, I have one of them too
02:27.28sancusmight've upgraded at some point
02:27.31sancusI'm sure he'll poke in and correct me
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02:29.42Kirkburn:P
02:29.59Adyslol
02:33.42sancusoh apparently its on a newer dell machine, so nm
02:43.33sancuspentium d with 1gb of ram, he's upgrading it to 4g
02:45.53kuinkalablaa just woke up, but i forgot realms are down for maint.
02:48.39Kirkburn4gig? Awesome
02:49.00Kirkburnkuinkala, err, where are you?
02:49.06kuinkalahome
02:49.07Kirkburnfinland
02:49.07kuinkalaxD
02:49.11kuinkalafinland
02:49.14Kirkburnfinland!
02:49.25AdysFinLand?
02:49.32kuinkalahow the hell you knew? :p
02:49.38Finahahaa!
02:49.42kuinkalahahaa
02:49.43Adyshaha
02:49.44KirkburnFinland, Finland, Finland,
02:49.44KirkburnThe country where I want to be,
02:49.44KirkburnPony trekking or camping,
02:49.44KirkburnOr just watching TV.
02:49.44KirkburnFinland, Finland, Finland.
02:49.45KirkburnIt's the country for me.
02:49.48Fina lovely place, full of beautiful people and exciting adventures
02:50.17KirkburnAnyway ... you just got up??
02:50.27Adysgot up at 7pm :(
02:50.30kuinkalayeah, just got up
02:50.30Finwho!?
02:50.33kuinkalame!
02:50.36AdysYou!
02:50.39AdysNo?
02:50.40kuinkalaomg
02:50.54kuinkalawell, i was watching tv on 7pm, fell asleep
02:51.00kuinkalaand just woke :p
02:51.04kuinkalakinda retard
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02:53.51kuinkalaand cant play, so i have to invent something else :/
02:54.59kuinkalamaybe i start web-programmin' again :p after wow launched, i left it
02:55.34KirkburnI've managed to cut down the ClearFont.co.uk front page by nearly a half now :D
02:55.44KirkburnI love making websites
02:56.02KirkburnNot doing anything dynamic yet, though
02:57.50sancusdoes clearfont still use calibri?
02:57.50Kirkburnyus
02:57.50sancusgood good
02:58.09Hobinheimwhy do i look at every burning crusade screenshot and it's like no one is using add-ons
02:58.09KirkburnYou think I would have changed the logo otherwise? ;) http://www.clearfont.co.uk/
02:58.24sancusbecause most add-ons were horribly broken for beta
02:58.25KirkburnLol, I use nearly 100 on TBC
02:58.30Adys<3
02:58.32sancusand very few people are playing TBC beta anymore
02:58.47KirkburnI'm not, because it's too much of a hassle at home
02:58.57KirkburnPlus I kinda can't be bothered now, so close to release
02:59.02Hobinheimugh the patch shot all my addons
02:59.06sancusI'm pretty sure I'm just going to use my beta client to log in on tuesday and that it will work
02:59.17KirkburnHobinheim, tick load out of date then!
02:59.43Hobinheimnaww i like waiting
02:59.48Hobinheimand we're still down =(
02:59.57Hobinheimpeople must be hammering that server to high hell
03:00.36KirkburnIt's fun looking over past my websites and realising how shit they were
03:00.46sancushm
03:00.53sancusI guess I can delete my live wow dir
03:01.30KirkburnSee it evolve! http://chig.georgepribul.eu/, http://chig2.georgepribul.eu/, http://chig3.georgepribul.eu/
03:02.08sancusheh
03:02.32KirkburnMy first try is so awful, I can't put it online
03:02.47sancusheh
03:02.58KirkburnI look at it and I think "what the hell was I on?"
03:04.23vlad_wiki needs memory badly :(
03:04.35vlad_I will try to make sure it gets installed on monday before the BC glut
03:04.53KirkburnYay!
03:05.10vlad_but that's what's causing a large part of the problems
03:05.11Kirkburnsancus, here it is: http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chiggn4.png
03:05.14vlad_so hopefully that'll help
03:05.20Adyscool :)
03:05.30sancusthat's not /horrible/
03:05.31KirkburnWhy's the mem the problem now? Just so much going on at once?
03:05.40KirkburnYes it is
03:05.40Hobinheimhey vlad how's it shakin
03:05.44sancus1GB is not a lot of memory for a site that gets as many hits as wowwiki
03:06.21Hobinheim(quick, ask for a quest namespace, css access, and a software upgrade!)
03:06.22Kirkburnsancus, you don't know the coding for that site design. The text is in a something like 16x100 table! :/
03:06.45KirkburnOh yeah that's a point, we do need the quest namespace
03:06.59KirkburnOh vlad_ula!
03:07.07Kirkburn=)
03:07.09sancusupgrading mediawiki is highly non-trivial
03:07.22KirkburnNotice how I didn't ask for that ;)
03:07.29sancusI know
03:07.36sancusnamespace should be \/\/, no problem
03:07.42Hobinheimyou just uhh.... you know. upgrade it =)
03:07.50KirkburnWith a big stick.
03:08.04Hobinheimbtw who's sancus?
03:08.31KirkburnA dood.
03:08.59KirkburnSomeone who was very close to being our leader :P
03:09.31Hobinheim=/ ???
03:09.34Kirkburn(so he says, but can you trust anyone these days? :)
03:09.35Hobinheimmore dinner brb =)
03:09.39Hobinheimyeah serious
03:10.13Kirkburnsancus, why don't _you_ say :P
03:11.35kuinkaladamn, beet salad all over on me, again :/ need to learn to eat
03:11.55sancusI'm a friend of vlad, when he and I started playing wow beta we mumbled about starting a wiki and when we finally got around to do it, it was a 'no you do it' sort of thing, and so vlad ended up doing it
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03:13.53Adyshttp://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chiggn4.png
03:13.54Adyswow
03:13.57Adysjust, wow kirk
03:14.07Adyswhen I look at your user page today I just have to say wow =P
03:14.07sancusanyway vlad is going to give me access to the server so I can handle your semi-trivial requests from now on as well
03:14.18Kirkburnsancus, oh cool :) Thanks vlad
03:14.28sancusand maybe I will upgrade mediawiki at some point
03:14.28KirkburnAdys, lol
03:14.34sancusif I'm feeling charitable
03:14.39Kirkburnheh
03:14.58sancusWe plan to do it on one of the mozilla sites that uses mediawiki
03:15.04sancuslast time an upgrade was attempted all sorts of stuff broke
03:15.07sancushence why I say it's non-trivial
03:15.08KirkburnI recall you mentioning, which is it again?
03:15.12sancusand that wasn't even to a php4 site
03:15.20sancuser
03:15.22sancusphp5 version I mean
03:15.28sancushttp://developer.mozilla.org
03:15.54Kirkburn(note he said 'we', he works for mozilla ^^ )
03:16.50KirkburnWhat is your opinion of IE7, I have to ask ...
03:17.04sancusI don't have it installed
03:17.04Gryphenugh
03:17.09KirkburnWait, that's mediawiki?
03:17.13sancusYes
03:17.18zealKirkburn, btw, meant to say i like the new sig ;)
03:17.25KirkburnHeavily customized, wow
03:17.31sancusmediawiki 1.5.6
03:17.35sancusit has a custom skin, yeah
03:17.40Kirkburnzeal, thanks :P Took an age to make
03:18.02AdysSoooo
03:18.08AdysHobinbot is done it seems
03:18.15Adyshttp://adys.stools.net/watchlist.txt
03:18.18Adyswts..
03:18.40Hobinheimit's not done, it just sorta stopped itself
03:18.45Hobinheimso i figured eh that's enough
03:18.51Hobinheimand btw sancus, thanks for your help
03:18.51KirkburnYou gave up ;)
03:19.02sancusyou can thank me when I've done something ;)
03:19.13Hobinheimi want a css upgrade, a wiki upgrade, a namespace, and a refs module, for winter veil. oh and a pony
03:19.24sancusUp until now I mostly say 'vlad, wowwiki is down. yes, again.'
03:19.30zealrofl Hobinheim
03:19.36Adyslol
03:19.47Hobinheimi want a pony named Hellfire
03:20.12Hobinheimhis fiery mane will immolate lesser mortals and we'll gallop through the fields
03:20.15Adys[[Hellfire]] #REDIRECT [[User:Hobinheim/Pony]]
03:20.54AdysSancus: how "easy" would it be to fix the preferences page
03:21.05Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Preferences :[
03:21.16Gryphengo there often?
03:21.27Hobinheimno offense but i find that pretty low priority
03:21.32Hobinheimas much as i love consistency and what not
03:21.42Adysyeah but if its easy might aswell ;P
03:21.44Adyshttp://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Special:Preferences :]
03:21.50sancusum, pretty easy probably
03:21.57Adyswhat i thought
03:22.16KirkburnJust a case of fixing the CSS
03:22.20sancusyeah
03:22.22zealindeed
03:22.26KirkburnThere's a huge number of fixed CSSs, pick one ;)
03:22.30Hobinheimif we could get a working copy of a refs module..
03:22.42Hobinheimthat would help our citation movement immensely
03:22.46KirkburnUnless vlad has been deleting all his wiki emails :P
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03:23.15sancusdeleting them?
03:23.15CarpeMortem.....
03:23.18sancusno, he probably has a filter do that for him
03:23.31Adyskirkburn, give infobot a cookie
03:23.34Adysuh no wait
03:23.45Adysinfobot, give kirkburn a cookie
03:23.53infobotACTION gives kirkburn a home-baked oatmeal raisin cookie to cheer him up.
03:23.53Kirkburninfobot, spoon Adys
03:23.55infobotACTION gouges out Adys's eyes with a small plastic spoon
03:23.55Adysaww
03:24.10Kirkburnheh
03:24.19HobinheimWOW
03:24.22Hobinheiminfobot, good job
03:24.23infobotGood job, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry!
03:27.37KirkburnI resembles you lots!
03:28.15KirkburnI fear we may have gone off-piste
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03:30.15Kirkburnahmagad!
03:30.43kuinkalabah
03:30.54KirkburnEveryone, abandon ship! We've been infiltrated!
03:31.05kuinkalaoh noes
03:32.19Adyslol @ kaso
03:32.24KirkburnIt sounds so silly to say the MDC is on 1.5, of all the websites in the world ...
03:32.52Hobinheimi'm lost
03:33.25sancuswhyso
03:34.21Hobinheim"[22:32] Kirkburn: It sounds so silly to say the MDC is on 1.5, of all the websites in the world ..." what
03:34.57Kirkburnhttp://developer.mozilla.org
03:35.11zealslowwiki.com :P
03:35.39Hobinheimi still don't understand
03:35.46zealand i've just let my opinion on citation be known.
03:35.47Kirkburnsancus, cos everything else about mozilla is awesome? ;)
03:35.56KirkburnAnd your opinion is?
03:35.57Cairenno.O
03:36.13CairennYou're giving sancus admin status? have you no idea who this miscreant is?
03:36.28KirkburnUm
03:36.31zealit's not feasible or correct in any form.
03:36.47zeal*(unless copyright laws were abolished) ;)
03:37.03KirkburnEvil bloke dressed up in a cape?
03:37.46zeali think Kirkburn is pointing out the mozilla one is fairly out dated
03:37.54zealit should be on 1.6.8 atleast iirc.
03:38.26Hobinheimoh... that the mozilla developer center is on version 1.5 of mediawiki
03:38.26zeal1.7.x if it's running php5
03:38.27Hobinheimjeez
03:38.28KirkburnYeah, it just _sounds_ odd to have a mozilla thing running on something older
03:38.35Hobinheimenglish, please
03:38.39Hobinheimyou know, american english
03:38.42Hobinheimthe right english =)
03:38.46zealrofl
03:38.54zealthe right english is no english
03:38.55zeal:
03:38.57zeal*:P
03:39.09Kirkburnsancus, you might like one of my emulates :P
03:39.19Kirkburn~emulate Kirkburn
03:39.21infobotI hear he's very fond of kittens. Buy him one.
03:39.32Kirkburnyeah so not that one :P
03:39.34Kirkburn~emulate Kirkburn
03:39.35infobotYes, Microsoft! Harder!
03:39.37Hobinheimdid they air captain planet in the UK?
03:39.42Adys[04:38] Hobinheim: the right english =) : here is a french L.O.L for you ;)
03:39.44Hobinheimdid you learn how to not pollute?
03:39.51zealues Hobinheim, lol
03:39.58zeali melted my captain planet action figure :P
03:40.09KirkburnI learnt that evil people look like pigs?
03:40.09zeal*yes
03:40.44KirkburnAnd have a propensity for going 'snort, snort, oink, hahahahaha, you will never foil my plan! oink, snort"
03:40.57sancusThere's "what it should be"
03:41.04Hobinheimi love captain planet so much
03:41.05sancusand "what it can be without break things when it's not properly tested beforehand"
03:41.09zeali learnt that if you do something bad, you get beaten up, but you don't go to jail and you you'll be fine next time :P
03:41.21Kirkburnzeal, lol
03:41.29sancusAnd the only web developer paid to work on MDC is me and it's not my primary responsibility currently
03:41.32sancusso not surprisingly...
03:41.37Kirkburnouch
03:41.39zeali see
03:42.13Hobinheimi feel like playing wow... but i know everything's slowed up =(
03:42.23Hobinheimsoemtimes, i just want to fireblast something...
03:42.24Hobinheimlike a kitten
03:42.38Hobinheimyou know what's funny, soulfiring a critter
03:42.41Hobinheimit's completely uncalled for
03:42.44Hobinheimand costs time and a shard
03:42.48Hobinheimbut it's funny if it crits
03:42.56Hobinheimor you pre tap the critter with curse of elements
03:43.07zeallol Cairenn
03:43.27sancusice lance is great for critter control
03:44.41Hobinheimaww
03:45.07Kirkburnnooooo
03:45.12Hobinheimhttp://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28374702/?qo=39&q=captain+planet&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5&offset=25
03:45.15Hobinheimwhat is a nanners?
03:45.19Hobinheimwho are those people in the background?
03:45.31Kirkburnwhere is the spoon?
03:45.38Kirkburnwhy am I here?
03:45.54Cairennfor Kirkburn: http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/cats_files/cookie.jpg
03:45.55KirkburnLink no worky for me :/
03:46.12KirkburnDare I ask if you've been able to access that site yet?
03:46.19Cairennno :(
03:46.28KirkburnOh, no internets for me again ...
03:46.40HobinheimLOL
03:46.50KirkburnWeird, I lose it for about a minute every hour or so
03:46.50zeal<3 your router Kirkburn :P
03:47.07Hobinheimpictures like that absolutely make me want to get a cat
03:47.09KirkburnI don't dc at all, no sign of a problem, but the internet just kinda dies
03:47.21KirkburnCairenn, so meeeeaannn!
03:47.32AdysWe shall remember you
03:47.34Hobinheimins...
03:47.48Adysyou said your internet was gonna die
03:47.50Adyshappy DC then?
03:48.00AdysOr am I just... totally off
03:48.02zealmine used to do that Kirkburn.. i turned out it was the actually phone line outside the house.. it was falling apart : /
03:48.11zealnubs never checked it when they installed my net.
03:48.16Kirkburnerk
03:48.56zealso is the wiki getting lots of a traffic atm? :S
03:48.58KirkburnAdys, like totally off
03:49.04AdysOk ><
03:50.11Adysrestarting miranda, wanna try out some addons
03:50.11KirkburnThe opening event details! http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/01/09/dark-portal-opening-event/
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03:51.58Adystest
03:53.44zealKirkburn, you've onyl jsut seen that? on the official site already :P
03:54.01KirkburnShush :P
03:55.01zeali wish people would udnerstand opening event != opening quest
03:55.09zealpeople saying there is "no opening event"
03:55.29zealwhen there is.. just no opening quest. it's an event surrounding the opening.
03:55.48Hobinheimi wish there was some sort of like... 25 warlock requirement for something
03:55.49zealsame as the AQ opening event, the Naxx opening event.
03:56.43zeali would have liked an opening quest too though
03:57.00zealproblem is, we know the outcome, kazzak would open it.
03:57.15zealif we were the ones opening it, then that would be fine.
03:58.22zeali do still want to know what artifact was used to open it, something in badlands..
03:58.42Adysbadlands?
03:58.50zeal*blasted
03:58.52zeallol
03:58.56Adys:P
04:00.43Hobinheimi'm having a deviant art overload...
04:01.03zealbah, i hate them..
04:04.03KirkburndA ftw
04:04.54zealand there goes the wiki again >_o
04:06.35Hobinheimugh i really wanna log in =(
04:06.42Hobinheimare curse and whatever else still down
04:06.54Hobinheimi can't bring myself to play unless conditions are right
04:08.23KirkburnI'm off to bed
04:09.01KirkburnGoodnight one and all!
04:09.37zealffs
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04:14.42DeathfaceHi
04:15.03DeathfaceCan someone reccomend a good add on that i can enter coordinates into
04:15.09Deathfaceand then it shows me location via minimap
04:15.21Deathfacei tried metamap but cant figure out how to enter coords
04:19.32zealno idea, try browsing one of the many add on sites :S
04:21.03zealok, well back to tv until the wiki performance improves a bit.
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04:52.35Deathfaceno one? :[
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05:09.07Adys|insomniacwb hob
05:09.40zeal*bookkeepers
05:10.04HobinheimBOO
05:10.13Adyskkeepers
05:11.27AdysUser:Stigg has been doing some really cool work on item pages so far
05:13.36Hobinheimpeople have been really helping out with nav bars and stuff
05:13.37Hobinheimi'm impressed
05:13.51Hobinheimwhy is our wiki so speedy btw
05:13.56Hobinheimit's like everyone died or something
05:14.02Hobinheimthe UI sites, however, are still taking a beating
05:14.05Adysbut hob, everyone died.
05:14.17HobinheimBRRRAAAAAAINNS
05:15.43zealyeah, i noticed it suddenly sped up again :/
05:16.25CairennHobinheim: my site is flying atm
05:16.57Cairennsame thing as you guys, all of a sudden, everything just ticking along beautifully
05:17.56Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/Hand_of_Fate
05:17.57Adyswth
05:19.22Hobinheimwhat
05:20.31Adysslowwiki again =M/
05:20.35Adys=/ *
05:21.33Hobinheimwhere's that destroyer of guilds item
05:21.38zealtheron again.. sigh
05:21.52Hobinheimi wanna restore it lol
05:22.12Hobinheimoh well. i have the link on my up
05:22.34Hobinheimwhat is it in violation of
05:22.41Hobinheimsome of these shell articles are like comedy gold
05:22.44Hobinheimyou konw what i'm copying this too
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05:22.58Adyslo baggins
05:23.06Bagginswwhi
05:23.19Adysslowwiki only for me?
05:24.16Bagginswwit was down most of the day for me
05:24.25Adysyeah thats for everyone
05:24.32Bagginswwrelated to patch day?
05:24.35Adyswas back up since few hrs tho
05:24.36Adysyeah
05:24.39BagginswwI see
05:25.11zealits not being slow to me atm :S
05:25.27Adysmm only me then
05:27.08Bagginswwapparently Theron is running a new practice of reverting to his last edit and then posting a few new changes now
05:27.21Bagginswwnullifying any other person's previous changes
05:27.38AdysAdd him to vandal list baggins
05:27.46BagginswwI can't personally
05:27.47Adysi think its time to sort that shit out
05:27.56Adyszeal can you do that
05:27.57Bagginswwcause he's already got something against me
05:28.06Bagginswwhe'd put me up LOL
05:28.09Adyslol
05:28.21Bagginswwand claim its cause I called him a vandal LOL
05:28.24zeallet me see what he does to my revert just now
05:28.36zealif it decides to f' it up, i will.
05:28.40zeal*if he
05:28.42Bagginswwya help us Obi Wan Zeal
05:28.47Bagginswwyou are our only hope
05:28.51zealrofl
05:28.53Adyslmao
05:28.59zealgief banhammer plx ;)
05:29.23AdysIm not gonna ban him, just let Ragestorm have the word for it
05:29.33Adysbut he is pissing off a big part of the wikians
05:29.43Adysor of the bookkeepers in general
05:29.48zealwhy ragestorm? :S
05:29.56Bagginswwas it ais we have a huge list of repeated offenses that could be put in a vandal page for him LOL
05:29.57Adysonly bookkeeper admin ? :P
05:30.06zealit's not exactly lore issues.. it's general wiki editing.
05:30.22Bagginswwya
05:30.41Hobinheimdid someone mention the [Ban Hammer]?
05:30.52Adysid gladly ban him but I still rather get ragestorm the last ord
05:30.54Adysword*
05:30.54BagginswwIts hobinheim, woot
05:31.04Bagginswwbanhammer is that anything like doomhammer?
05:31.13Hobinheimi'm feeling tired... i didn't even get a lick of warcraft in today...
05:31.16Hobinheimcan't play without mods =(
05:31.23BagginswwI did the quest
05:31.27Bagginswwfor portal tabard
05:31.35Bagginswwand read some RotH
05:31.47Adys<- servers down, maintenance atm =/
05:31.58Adyscan I say "Wish us luck" LOL
05:32.04Bagginswwlol
05:32.45zealwell my point is, a AMA member should be getting the last word, or an admin. it's outside ragestorm's scope imo.
05:33.16Bagginswwall you can do is list his name up on vandal page, and list his past offenses.
05:33.24AdysWhat baggins said
05:33.26Bagginswwand then someone gets around to it
05:33.29Adysonly admins can have the last word
05:33.34Bagginswwif he removes his own name form vandal page...
05:33.37AdysAMA admins are Schmidt and Fandy
05:33.42Adysand they are not here atm
05:33.52Bagginswwfandy is on
05:33.54Bagginswwat least editing
05:34.03Adysnot really "here" enough for now
05:34.07Adyshes on a break i believe
05:34.08Bagginswwya
05:35.28Hobinheimtired...
05:35.44Bagginswwwell one more week... Just hope my preorder isn't screwed over :p
05:35.51zealsame
05:36.00zealCE on predorder from amazon.co.uk
05:36.11Bagginswwmines through game stop
05:36.15Bagginswwlocally
05:36.17Adysanyways, baggins/zeal, I dont mind if any admin has the last word, but personally Im not touching lore stuff more than giving warnings
05:36.28BagginswwThat's fine
05:36.33zeallol.. but as i said, it's not lore stuff :P
05:36.40Adysit concerns lore stuff
05:36.48zealbarely
05:36.52Adyswell a major part of his edits are about lore
05:37.08AdysWhatever! Im not touching this for now
05:37.28zealit's more about his pratices of editing and reverting pages even when he's been told and warned not to.
05:37.37Bagginswwwell ya when you list his acts on vandal page you need to included the editing type vandalisms too, not just the lore vandalism.
05:38.14Bagginswwlike the edit war style ones where he talks throug the edit summery :p
05:39.17zealwell hell, i talk through the summer >_>
05:39.24zeal*summery
05:39.27AdysBaggins, the thing is hes not the average vandal that fucks up popular pages, personnal pages or the wiki in general
05:39.46Adyshes someone pissing off many ppl but at least hes mature
05:39.47BagginswwYes he doesn't go about removing everything
05:39.47zealwell yeah, that's why i'm not bothering with vandal page atm.
05:40.10Bagginswwhe just removes stuff if he disagrees with his narrow warcraft II only view
05:40.16Bagginsww*if it
05:40.53AdysI gave him a warning, Im not going further. It's not up to me if others want to ban-warn him, permaban him, give him a last chance or leave him be
05:41.18Adyswill prob get discussed unless he pisses any of us off more tbh
05:41.30Adysand I cant access the wiki atm, graah
05:41.38Adysrebooting comp, brb
05:41.40zealyeah, but that's been said countless times afaik Adys : /
05:41.58BagginswwHe has the final fantasy of warnings LOL
05:42.24BagginswwThat is it is never the final fantasy
05:42.27Adyszeal: yes, thats why we need him added to the vandal list for good
05:42.29Adysbrb
05:42.40Bagginswwya vandal list is the next step
05:42.47Bagginswwafter that he is given a chance to change
05:42.51Bagginswwand explain himself
05:42.59Bagginswwif he doesn't copmly
05:43.06Bagginswwbanno
05:43.14Bagginswwat least that's how I've seen it done int he past
05:43.17Bagginswwlike iwth pigzig
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05:44.55Adysyay works
05:45.18zealwell then, feel free to add him
05:45.44zealyou've delt with longer than i have, i've only see more recent things hes done.
05:45.55zeal*with him
05:45.55BagginswwI perosnally can't though)
05:46.08BagginswwAs I allowed myself ot get an equal warning once
05:46.08zealhe's not a stalker :p
05:46.24Bagginswwactually he does have a tendency to edit things after I've edited them LOL
05:46.26zealand evne if he did add you in retaliation, i'm sure you will get favour and only make him look worse.
05:46.51Bagginswwbut the point is I allowed ragestorm to give me an equal warning
05:46.56Bagginswwso that ragestorm didn't look biased
05:47.08Bagginswwhe uses that now to discredit anything I type
05:47.33BagginswwIf I put him on vandal list he'll see that as an act of rivarlry
05:47.43Bagginswwand continuation of reasons why I was warned
05:47.54Bagginswwhe's "innocent" in his own eyes
05:48.01Bagginswwto continue what he normnally does
05:48.12Bagginswwjust check out some of his summery banter
05:48.22Bagginswwtowards threads I've edited in
05:49.46Bagginsww"(I was told about warring once, so were you. I am not satisfied with anything until this is discussed troughout"
05:49.48Bagginswwfor example
05:50.02Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Known_vandals
05:50.30Bagginswwya that starts the process
05:51.40Bagginswwanycase on to more happy subjects LOL
05:51.58Bagginswwanyone know where ot get a cheap psp?
05:54.34zealwell imo, i would never have given you a warning, evne if asked
05:54.35AdysGood morning Baggins! ins! ins..
05:54.47zealyou are clearly in the right an i want that RPG information back on the page.
05:54.48BagginswwLOL
05:55.06Bagginswwon which page?
05:55.20zealhe has no right to deprive the wiki and its readers of information because of his bias of sources.
05:55.25Bagginswwya
05:55.28zealAntonidas
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05:56.09zealwb Tekkub
05:56.18Tekkub:P
05:56.39Bagginswwdid he revert that page again?
05:56.51Adysit just pisses me off mature people cant fucking understand basic rules
05:57.05Adyshes welcome to contribute, particularly if he knows about lore
05:57.14zealhe reverted it, with the summery you mentioned
05:57.22zealbut the information has never been added back
05:57.28BagginswwI added it back in I thought
05:57.35zealwell it's not there atm : /
05:57.35Bagginswwya its htere
05:57.46zealhis occupation isn't
05:57.46BagginswwAccording to Alliance Player's Guide, "For many Antonidas was the true ruler of the Kirin Tor and his wise, fatherly countenance became the sect's public face."APG 155. He was also viewed as the de facto, "king of Dalaran"APG 161
05:57.54Bagginswwoh ragestorm removed it from there
05:58.05zeali noticed
05:58.11zealwhich imo was very bad of him
05:58.30zealhe's caved in to settle the dispute at the sake of the intergrity of the article
05:58.43Bagginswwthat's true
05:59.08BagginswwI just dont' see how ruler, or king can be a contradiction even for a magracy LOL
05:59.08zealdo you have the quote for him being king?
05:59.37Bagginswwthe quote is more specifically the the kings of the seven nations"
05:59.49Bagginswwand then lists the seven nations
06:00.41BagginswwI'm paraphrasing now of course
06:01.08Bagginswwthe "Ruler of kirin tor" that's a direct quote
06:01.32zealso it wasnt king?
06:01.44zealcos that quote needs changing otherwise : /
06:01.49BagginswwIt says King specifically
06:01.58BagginswwI have both pages cited
06:02.03zealok then
06:02.05Bagginswwtwo seperate sections
06:02.11zealking of the nation of dalaran it is
06:02.53zealwhere is Grand Archmage from though?
06:03.00BagginswwI'm not sure about that one
06:03.10Bagginswwmaybe the novels
06:03.15Bagginswwbut it needs a "fact" on it
06:04.10zealyeah, i can't really fact an infobox (hate these stupid box's, bad pratice >_<)
06:04.17Bagginswwin warcraft 3 mnual its specifically ;
06:04.32BagginswwHead of the Kirin Tor of Dalaran
06:05.22Adysslowwiki.com again :[
06:06.16Adysrebooting again, brb
06:06.30Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Archmage_Ansirem_Runeweaver
06:06.30zealso basically, Archmage, Ex-Head of the Kirin Tor, Ex-King of Dalaran
06:06.43zealthink i'll use former..
06:07.01Bagginswwthat's another one he liked to revert alot :p
06:07.07Bagginswweven though ruler is not my words
06:07.14Bagginswwbut Land of Conflcit
06:07.28Bagginswwfor some reason its ok to have a leader of a magcracy in his view
06:07.40Bagginswwbut ruler that's somehow incorrect
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06:07.57Bagginswwforgetting the fact that there have been nations with senates and kings
06:08.02Bagginswwboth
06:08.08Bagginswwin real life
06:08.34zeala king is a ruler, a ruler is not a king, but hes called a ruler and a king. so hes king
06:08.42zealsimple
06:08.52zealanyways, done.
06:08.55Bagginswwwell ya I mean he assumes ruler always means king
06:08.59Bagginswwso ruler doesn't fit his view
06:11.31zealit's like that currently, King Keal is not ruler of the Blood Elves on Azeroth, thingy thingy is.. the regent, but he's obviously not a King.
06:12.13Bagginswwright
06:12.27Bagginswwwhereas Lothar was stand in king, and regeant :p
06:12.56Bagginswwuntil Wrynn's took over
06:13.24BagginswwI'm a little confused where the Wrynns were between warcraft 1 and II though
06:13.46Bagginswwnext time we hear of a Wrynn is either novel or warcraft III
06:14.18Bagginswwanycase gnight all
06:14.25BagginswwI must get some rest
06:18.18zealoh ffs ragestorm
06:18.34Adys?
06:19.07zealhes removing the king thing, which is official, because it's "controversial"
06:19.20Adysdrop him a note then
06:19.25Adysand wts slowwiki.com really
06:20.08zealif he wants to argue against it, i'm official requesting he step down as bookkeeper admin tbqfh, otherwise i'm leaving..
06:20.10zealindeed it is : /
06:42.34zealgod damn slowness : /
06:42.38Adysya
06:44.06zealits not that i mind the load times, it's that i dislike loosing edits :P
06:44.43Adysgoing to bed, i cant do icons with that slowness =/
06:44.51Adysmeh, always when i have the time I dont have the wiki lol
06:45.14zeallol :p
06:45.17zealwell nn Adys
06:45.22Adysyeah ill be back
06:45.29Adysslept too much already
06:45.31Adyslaters
06:45.35zeali see, ttyl :P
06:46.34zealoh.. there we go, theron screwing things up already
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06:47.51cmunnwhat wiki package powers wow wiki?
06:48.35zealmediawiki
07:05.38zealwhat do bold links in your watchlist mean? :S
08:19.58Tekkubdamnit, come back wiki!
08:20.03TekkubI needs mah APIz
08:21.47Zeali don't get it..
08:22.01Zealdown, up but slow, really fast, slow again.
08:22.21Tekkubyou fucking broke it
08:22.26Zeallol
08:41.50vlad_will be fixed soonish, sorry!
08:42.00vlad_(like not minutes, but days, just overloaded)
08:43.24Tekkuboh vlad_ is back
08:43.34Tekkub<PROTECTED>
08:44.16vlad_not yet, not until the wiki gets more memory
08:46.18Zeallol
08:46.41Tekkub*pout*
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09:38.02dok3Dalultra slow wiki detected
09:38.42Tekkubit's Zeal's fault
09:38.56dok3DalWhy?
09:43.29Zeallies
09:43.36Zealit's.. infobot's fault
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10:19.52dok3Dalhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLZMa0sNJVg&eurl=
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10:21.06Patrigan-Syldragod, I love downloading a ptch the first few minutes it's available
10:21.25Patrigan-Syldradidn't take me a whole minute to download219 MB
10:21.55dok3Daldo you have an url for me? :p
10:22.05Patrigan-Syldralol now more people have sytarted it and I'm slowed down at 98% ><
10:22.09Patrigan-SyldraGG!
10:22.40Patrigan-Syldradok3Dal
10:22.46Patrigan-SyldraI download from the blizzard downloader
10:22.59dok3Dalerf
10:23.02Patrigan-SyldraI was the first to start the download according to it ^^
10:23.26Patrigan-Syldrahad 2 HTTP downloads downloading at 512kB / second
10:23.36Patrigan-Syldrathat's 1MB / second ^^
10:23.48Patrigan-Syldrapatchy patchy now
10:23.54dok3Dalmy boss dislike that I start blizz downloader at work ...
10:24.05Patrigan-SyldraXD
10:24.10Patrigan-Syldrahmmm
10:24.14Patrigan-SyldraScarab Lord
10:24.19Patrigan-Syldratitle for killing C'thun?
10:24.24dok3Dalno
10:24.35dok3Dalfor the first one to open the gate
10:24.40Patrigan-Syldraaw
10:24.47dok3Dalwell ... for the one that open the gate
10:24.54Patrigan-Syldrathey should implement a title for those who kill a boss
10:25.22Patrigan-SyldraLike Firelord
10:25.28Patrigan-Syldraand Dragonslayer
10:25.32Patrigan-Syldraand Master Dragonslayer
10:25.42dok3Dalon my server the one that has open the gates have stop playing ... so that a great change
10:25.42Patrigan-Syldraand Bug Terminator
10:25.53Patrigan-Syldraours migrated
10:26.14Patrigan-Syldraow, that's nice
10:26.20dok3Dalyeah "Bug Terminator" ... that's great!
10:26.22dok3DalNeed it!
10:27.11Patrigan-Syldraor "The Holy Dude who killed some undead"
10:27.18dok3DalAnd also need a special trick to kill Gothik :/
10:27.25Patrigan-SyldraBet they will implement "The Ashbringer"
10:27.43Patrigan-SyldraWoWwiki still down ><
10:29.36Patrigan-Syldrawhy notstarrt blizz dl
10:29.44Patrigan-Syldrait'sz not like he will see it
10:31.20Patrigan-SyldraPoison Dancer For Heigan Killers!
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12:46.15Dissonance|AwayHow do I check to see if a buff is currently active?  (I need to check what Aura, if any, is actieve)
12:47.23dok3DalisUnitBuffUp ?
12:48.23DissonanceI searched the wiki.  It's not in the API, it's a function I'd have to put into my addon.  And to be quite frank, I don't see how it works.
12:48.43DissonanceI found an instance of it here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Check_Hunter_Aspect
12:49.25dok3Dal--Loops through active buffs looking for a string match
12:49.28dok3Dalthis is it
12:49.50dok3Dalthe first function on the page do the job
12:49.52DissonanceUnitBuff("player" i) is what it's looping through, no?
12:50.04dottedhttp://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.wow-europe.com/108440857.htm?posts=1 <- Thank you Blizzard, now may you die in great agony -.-
12:50.04dok3Dalyes
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12:51.32dottedbah thought they meant we had to have CD ion the drive to play
12:52.07dok3Dalhope we can virtualise it
12:52.22DissonanceI don't guess LUA supports shortcuts like i = i + 1 into i++ ?
12:52.32dok3Dalno it doesnt
12:52.39DissonanceDidn't think so.
12:53.02dok3Dalas i remember it even doesnt support i+=1
12:53.14DissonanceWhoa.
12:53.25Hobinheim|sleepi = i + 1
12:53.35DissonanceNo matter.  Writing it out is better for the beginner (like myself) to understand.
12:53.36Hobinheim|sleepwhat languages besides perl support binding an op and assignemtn?
12:54.12DissonanceVB.net?
12:54.32Hobinheim|sleepVB! :shakefist:
12:54.33dok3DalHobinheim ... I dont see you point
12:54.45dok3Dalwhat do you mean?
12:54.46Hobinheim|sleepi'm saying not many languages do it
12:54.55dok3Dali+=1 ?
12:54.59Hobinheim|sleepyeah
12:55.05Hobinheim|sleepat least i didn't think so
12:55.16Hobinheim|sleepit would have been written  postfix like i++
12:55.30dok3Dalc/java and all modern language support it I think
12:56.06dok3Dalif you want to write a ++ write ++i instead of i++
12:56.07DissonanceWhat exactly does "addonname = {}" mean
12:56.16DissonanceIt's a table, no?
12:56.32dok3Dalsome kind of object
12:56.37Dissonancewell
12:56.50Dissonanceaddonname.variable = whatever;
12:56.56dok3Dalcar = {}
12:57.02dok3Dalcar.color = blue
12:57.06dok3Dalcar.speed = 120
12:57.09DissonanceAh, it's like a structure.
12:57.27dok3Daldont know if car[0] = toto is valid
12:57.53DissonanceMost addons use them for local variables?
12:57.54DissonanceLike
12:57.55Hobinheim|sleep{} is an empty table
12:58.02Hobinheim|sleeptables in lua are combinations of arrays and hashes
12:58.15Dissonanceaddonname.setting1 = true;
12:58.18Hobinheim|sleeparrays occupy the enumerated part and hashes occupy both the enumeration and keyed part
12:58.25DissonanceYou've lost me.
12:58.39Hobinheim|sleepcars.1 = "red" cars.2 = "blue" there are two units in cars
12:58.57Hobinheim|sleepcars.owner = "hob" there are still array length two in cars, but three keys total
12:58.58dok3Dalso it is some kind of "put inside anything you want the way you want I will try to do the job"
12:59.02Hobinheim|sleepsince an array is only 1 and 2
12:59.13Hobinheim|sleepit's a look up by key
12:59.20Hobinheim|sleepyou loko up the word 1, you get back the word red
12:59.31Hobinheim|sleepyou look up the word owner, you get back hob
12:59.36Hobinheim|sleepa table
12:59.39dok3Dalcars.1 is same than cars[1]
12:59.40Hobinheim|sleeplike left and right values in a colum
12:59.41dok3Dal?
12:59.49Hobinheim|sleepthe key is the left side and the value is the right side
12:59.49Hobinheim|sleepyeah
13:00.06DissonanceGotcha.
13:00.12Hobinheim|sleepmost languages differentiate between hashes and arrays but lua uses one structure called a table to handle both at the same time
13:00.23Hobinheim|sleeparrays = numbers, hashes = words, but in lua, it does both
13:00.34Dissonancecan i nest these?
13:00.36Hobinheim|sleepafk
13:00.40Hobinheim|sleepyes
13:00.48Dissonanceso it'd be like
13:00.57dok3DalI dont see why someone can want to write cars.1 instead of cars[1] ..
13:00.59Hobinheim|sleepkey = { another table here }
13:01.01Dissonanceaddonname.settings.setting1 = whatever
13:01.11Hobinheim|sleepdok3Dal, poor example on my part
13:01.13Hobinheim|sleepafk
13:01.18dok3Dal:p
13:01.37dok3Dalis cars.toto.tutu = titi valid
13:01.42dok3Dalor must we do
13:01.50dok3Dalcars.toto = {}
13:01.55dok3Dalbefore?
13:02.23DissonanceWell do you have to instantiate the table for just cars = {} ?
13:02.38Dissonanceor does it assume you meant to instantiate it when you call it
13:03.35dok3Daldoes "instantiate" have any sense in lua? :p
13:04.13dok3Dalmore important
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13:04.18Dissonanceall values are considered declared afaik
13:04.26dok3Daldoes it help you with your aura problem? :D
13:04.28DissonanceLike PHP.
13:04.41DissonanceYea, I want to nest a table that contains the names of the aura.
13:04.52DissonanceI have to know whether to declare it first.  =P
13:05.09DissonanceAlas, I figure no though.
13:07.15Dissonance~=  is "Not equal to" ?
13:07.23infobotI think you lost me on that one, Dissonance
13:07.23dok3Dalyes
13:07.51DissonanceI'm terrible at conveying what I mean in programming-friendly terms.
13:08.46DissonanceOn the first line of an LUA file, when WoW reads it, and it says addonname.version = "v.1" is it going to flip out and error?
13:09.13Dissonanceor must you put addonname = {} beforehand.
13:10.00dok3Daldunno
13:10.11dok3DalI think it will do the job silent
13:10.47DissonanceThat's my impression.  But I feel it's neccesary to add that line in just for the sake of readability.
13:11.02DissonanceThus throwing the issue out altogether.
13:12.18dok3DalIt is maybe needed to allow the game to save the variables beetween session
13:12.40DissonanceGood point.
13:13.18DissonanceAnother question:  How do I run my function ever so many seconds
13:13.48DissonanceI'd like to check for an enabled aura every 5 seconds
13:14.06DissonanceSo I've got a function that does so, I just need to set it on a timer of sorts.
13:14.07dok3Daldunno
13:14.14dok3Dalwhat's the point of it?
13:14.32DissonanceTo check if the paladin has an aura enabled, and if not, to bug the hell out of him until he enables one.
13:15.02dok3Dalso you want to check the aura directly on the palouf
13:15.10dok3Dalnot on you?
13:15.29DissonanceWell
13:15.30DissonanceI'm a paladin.
13:15.30DissonanceAnd I've died a lot from not having an aura on.
13:15.32DissonanceI need something idiot-proof.
13:15.42DissonanceSomething that'll ALERT me to my lack of an aura.
13:15.49dok3Dalyou want to bug the hell out of yourself ? :p
13:15.58DissonanceIf it keeps me from dying.
13:16.26DissonanceI suppose I'm the only paladin that feels this way.  I've looked for an addon that does this, to no avail.
13:17.08DissonanceI hope to extend it (to a lesser extent) to blessings as well.
13:17.29dok3Daldied from not having an aura ... just for curiosity ... how ?
13:17.34DissonanceThose run out, are "judged" and whatnot, so they come and go rather frequently.
13:17.40DissonanceTehe.
13:17.46DissonanceI'm a protection pally with no shield.
13:17.58DissonanceI rather depend on the extra 20% damage reduction from Dev aura.
13:18.24DissonanceI'm like a warrior wearing leather without my aura.
13:19.17dok3Daldev aura is ~450 no?
13:19.27DissonanceIn all actuality it's more like 12% damage reduc.
13:19.36DissonanceIt's 385 at my level with my talent buffs.
13:19.39DissonanceIIRC.
13:19.58dok3Dalthis is big for someone already wearing plate
13:20.06DissonanceMail.
13:20.08DissonanceI'm not 40 yet.
13:20.09Dissonance=P
13:20.14dok3Dalhu
13:20.15dok3Dalok :p
13:20.31dok3Dalit make sens now :D
13:20.36DissonanceHaha.
13:21.05DissonanceRegardless of the necessity factor.  I'll eventually add support for Blessings, and that will be the strong point.
13:21.30dok3DalI dont know if you can trigger an action on a timer like this
13:21.49dok3Dalwitch repeat
13:21.54DissonanceWell wow sends an OnUpdate event when a buff is lost no?
13:21.58Dissonanceor gained as well
13:22.13dok3Dalas far as I know all action must be action of event triggered
13:22.33DissonanceRight.
13:22.41DissonanceI'm looking at the source to RiposteAlert to see how it was implemented there.
13:23.07DissonanceIt's something along the lines of
13:23.08dok3DalRiposte is a rogue skill right?
13:23.12DissonanceCorrect.
13:23.19dok3Dallike overpower
13:23.31dok3Dalactivable of dodgeing
13:23.35DissonanceRiposte is a counter-move whenever you Parry
13:23.36dok3Dalsomething like taht
13:23.38dok3Dalthat
13:24.17DissonanceIt waits for a parry then checks to see if Riposte is on cooldown.
13:24.28DissonanceIf it's not, it plays a sound telling you it's available.
13:24.48dok3Dalis there an action that you are spamming as a plouf?
13:25.08dok3Dallike bloodthist for fury warrior
13:25.26Dissonanceplouf?
13:25.50dok3Dalpaladin
13:25.54dok3Dalpalouf
13:25.57dok3Dalplouf
13:26.07DissonanceWhere did the ouf come from?
13:26.35DissonanceI get the pal- part.   but the -ouf is strange.
13:26.48dok3Dalpalouf is one of the term used for paladin on french server
13:27.12Dissonanceit's french for paladin?
13:27.16dok3Dalno
13:27.20dok3Dalit an acronym
13:27.22Dissonanceslang-french for paladin?
13:27.28dok3Dalin french paladin is paladin
13:27.35Dissonancehar har har
13:27.45DissonanceMy mistake.
13:28.30dok3Dalaccording to google translation
13:28.45dok3Dalyes it is the slang-french for paladin
13:28.45dok3Dal:D
13:28.54Dissonancelol
13:28.55Dissonance:)
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13:30.48DissonanceOk, so I've got an event "CHAT_MSG_SPELL_AURA_GONE_SELF"
13:31.00Dissonanceit's fired upon the loss/cancelation of a buff on self.
13:31.28DissonanceSo now I just need one that fires on login, and one that fires upon reviving.
13:33.43Dissonanceoh dear, it's 8:30 AM, and I have to move back to my dorm sometime today
13:34.03DissonanceI must rest.  I'll worry about PallyReminder once I get situated in my dorm.  (Or unless I get bored of moving)
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13:51.09Teomyrwow
13:51.19Teomyrthe blizzard downloader only has to download like... 15 megs?
13:51.38Teomyrand it even manages to create lag in irc
13:51.52Adysteomyr: 3 meg for me :P
13:52.19Teomyr;)
13:52.28Adysand it took about 15 mins
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14:06.22qyxanyone an enchanter?
14:06.28_dok3Dalyes
14:06.54qyxi just switched at 60 from herbalism (kept alchemy) -- any tips for lvling quickly ?
14:07.11_dok3Dalouch
14:07.17qyx:)
14:07.27_dok3DalI finish levelling my enchanting more than one year ago :p
14:07.34qyxah ok.
14:07.48Tuqui-tuquiwait
14:07.52Tuqui-tuquiyou kept alchemy?
14:07.56qyxyeah
14:07.58Tuqui-tuquibut no herbalism
14:08.03Tuqui-tuquihow do you get your ingredients -.-
14:08.49qyxi haven't figured that out yet.  i have stacks and stacks in the bank, tho
14:08.56Tuqui-tuqui:o
14:09.05Tuqui-tuquicare to spare some bruiseweed :D
14:09.14qyxi mainly kept it so I could transmute for my guild
14:09.21Tuqui-tuqui¬.¬
14:09.27Tuqui-tuquiI am in dire need of bruiseweed
14:09.32Tuqui-tuquithat thing runs out so fast XD
14:09.38Tuqui-tuquigood thing im in 1k needles though
14:09.42Tuqui-tuquilots of it there
14:10.01qyxswamp of sorrows is good too
14:10.06TepetkhetAH
14:10.09TepetkhetOr alt
14:10.34Tepetkhetqyx, there is a guide online somewhere...hold on
14:11.46TepetkhetAh, here it is.
14:11.48Tepetkhethttp://www.xs4all.nl/~brt/wow/guides/skillupenchanting.html
14:11.53qyxcool thanks
14:12.06TepetkhetI ended up bold somehow...I'm really sorry about that.
14:12.13qyxnp
14:12.47TepetkhetI started with this guide and got enchanting and tailoring up fast.
14:12.57TepetkhetIt helps if you have another char to supply you with the gold/mats.
14:13.08Tuqui-tuquiAH is too expensive
14:13.21Tuqui-tuqui2 days ago I needed just two bruiseweed for a quest
14:13.25Tepetkhetah
14:13.31Tuqui-tuquiI ended up paying 25 silver for 2 >:{
14:13.43Tuqui-tuquijust because I needed them right away
14:13.54TepetkhetThere are bruiseweed spawns in Silverpine Forest.
14:14.35TepetkhetI'm in so much freakin' pain right now.
14:15.42Tuqui-tuqui:o
14:17.08Tuqui-tuquisilverpine doesnt have them that much
14:17.28Tuqui-tuquithey have more briarthorn and earthroot then bruiseweed
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14:26.54Tepetkhetyes
14:27.20Tuqui-tuquiI just realized something
14:27.28Tepetkhetbut they also have bruiseweed...............I remember finding 2 spawn points when fighting the level 15-20 mages there.
14:27.31Tuqui-tuquiAshenvale is a HUGE forest
14:27.33AdysARGHH
14:27.37AdysThey removed wildhammer rep
14:27.46Adysand I was revered with em><
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14:27.53Tepetkhetwildhammer?
14:28.02AdysWildhammer Clan
14:28.15qyxhinterlands folk ?
14:28.20Adysya
14:28.27qyxthey removed it ?
14:28.34qyxwhat did revered get you ?
14:29.30Tuqui-tuqui:o
14:29.32Tuqui-tuquino way!
14:29.36Tuqui-tuquidid you at least get the mount?
14:29.44Tuqui-tuquimaybe they moved them somewhere else
14:30.11Tuqui-tuquioh
14:30.16Tuqui-tuquiand like I was saying
14:30.20Tuqui-tuquiAshenvale is a HUGE forest
14:30.27Tuqui-tuquithere should be plants for picking all ove the place >:{
14:30.32Tuqui-tuquibut there isnt!
14:30.40Swemetalwhy cant i use <Size></Size> in a template and not have to use it in the frame that inherit from it?
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14:35.46KirkburnAnyone know why zeal has made these comments: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Ragestorm#Controversy
14:36.00Adyshe was pissed last night on irc
14:36.12Adysbtw kirk
14:36.16Adyscan we sort Theron
14:36.37Kirkburnsec, just gonna have breakfast, talk after
14:36.41Adyssame
14:36.44Kirkburn:)
14:37.53Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/Wildhammer_Clan btw - slapped a removedfromgame on it but we kinda need some precisions, anyways brekky
14:48.00KirkburnOkay, back
14:48.11Adyswb
14:48.22KirkburnSo what was going on with zeal?
14:48.38Adyszeal was pissed, no idea why
14:48.50KirkburnThe wildhammer clan has been removed??
14:48.57Adysyes :(
14:49.00Adysthe rep at least
14:49.18TepetkhetI no longer see a char portrait.
14:49.21Tepetkhetin game
14:49.33TepetkhetNot for myself or for anybody else I target.
14:49.56TepetkhetI wonder if that's an addon doing that, or some interface option.
14:50.04Adysscrewed addon prob
14:50.22AdysKirkburn: I added Theron to the vandal list, he was pissing off more ppl yesterday and i think hes had enough warnings
14:50.24TepetkhetI'll have to disable them all and try without.
14:50.39Adysi didnt want to ban him straight but I dont think theres any need to way much more
14:50.45KirkburnYeah, I made his a suspect, shall look over his edits
14:54.05Swemetalhow would i correctly do to link 2 XML files together so that i can have my templates in one, and the "real" frames in the other? if i write the 2 XML files in the TOC file it doesnt work(tried with the template file first and last)
14:58.19Swemetaland i should start each xml file with teh <ui>-tag, right?
14:58.46KirkburnI would ask on #wowi-lounge
14:58.58Tuqui-tuquiwhats that channel for'
15:00.33Adysbrb
15:01.16Swemetalok i try there
15:02.13KirkburnIt's a channel for asking UI questions
15:02.23KirkburnAdded it to http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC :)
15:02.50Tuqui-tuquischweet
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15:23.32KirkburnI think this is the thing that zeal was talking about? http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Antonidas#Former
15:23.45Kirkburnoh yeah, Adys left :P
15:28.02Hobinheim|sleepdon't forget about the wow ace chatroom
15:28.09Hobinheim|sleepthey seem to be more active than wowilounge
15:28.20Tuqui-tuqui:o
15:28.22Tuqui-tuquiyoure awake?
15:28.33Hobinheimi'm at work now
15:28.46Tuqui-tuquiwhy arent you making moneh to bring home th ebacon >:{
15:29.00Hobinheim?
15:31.34KirkburnOooh "World of Warcraft game designer, Jon LeCraft, and Vice President of Business Development, Itzik Ben Bassat will be at HMV on Oxford Street in London." with Vaneras
15:31.55Kirkburn(for TBC releasE)
15:32.08KirkburnHobinheim, yes, but they talk about Ace!
15:32.11TepetkhetI figured.
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15:43.29KirkburnI love patch days - half the RC list is made up of Patch Mirrors changes :P
15:45.47Tuqui-tuquimeh
15:45.56Tuqui-tuquithat stupid patch took forever to get
15:46.19equiraptorheh. It took me two minutes to get the last little bit. I'd left the background downloader running for days, though.
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15:46.55BagginswwI added in ... to point out that there was a much longer description than just "king of dalaran"
15:47.06Hobinheimat least we aren't slowwiki.com
15:47.34Bagginswwespecially since it paragraph refers to the "human kings of the seven human nations"
15:47.47Bagginswwand then goes into individual nations
15:48.24BagginswwThis should make it more clear now.
15:49.15Bagginswwanyways I'm off, classes await
15:49.24Bagginswwtake care all
15:49.24Tuqui-tuquio/
15:50.26Hobinheimi don't understand people's deal with patch mirrors
15:50.31Hobinheimit wasn't that big of a patch
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15:50.36Hobinheimand if you just use blizzard's thing, it just goes
15:50.42Hobinheimif more people use it, it goes even faster!
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15:51.23equiraptorIt rarely "just went" for me on Windows.
15:51.30equiraptorBut that was before the backround downloader.
15:51.46equiraptorIt would take 3+ hours to download something that took 3 minutes from a good mirror.
15:52.00Tepetkhetyeah
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15:52.08Tepetkhetbg DLer doesn't even work for me.
15:52.13equiraptorOn OS X, it downloads in 2 minutes, instead. :)
15:52.30Hobinheimw/e i just let it run and get a cup of coffee
15:52.32equiraptorBut OS X handles being behind NAT run by *nix machines better than Windows does.
15:52.34Hobinheimit's not like addons work any way
15:52.39Adys8924I had 3 megabytes to download
15:52.44Hobinheimequiraptor, that's OS hate right there
15:52.50equiraptorHobinheim: It's true.
15:52.57Adys8924the bg downloader downloaded the rest
15:53.04equiraptorI can't reference the exact bug, but I've had a lot of pro-windows people tell me that.
15:53.05Adys8924it took 15 mins...
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15:53.32equiraptorWindows handles NAT differently from the way *nix handles it. If your NAT machine is *nix, a *nix machine will do better behind it than a Windows machine will.
15:53.43equiraptorIf your NAT machine is Windows, Windows machines will do better behind it than *nix machines.
15:53.49Hobinheim"better job" is very pov, where's your citation =)
15:53.50equiraptorThat's not *hate*.
15:54.05equiraptorI don't have a citation because this was in verbal conversations.
15:54.18TepetkhetA Philips screwdriver does a better job of unscrewing an X headed screw than a flathead.
15:54.19qyxyou don't speak in footnotes?
15:54.24equiraptorI can tell you that the same machine on the same hardware on the same network handles bittorrent better in OS X than in Windows XP.
15:54.29Patrigan-Syldrawhy does everyone always write *nix
15:55.21Patrigan-Syldracan't you just say linux?
15:55.21Tepetkhetno
15:55.21equiraptorI'm not talking about Linux.
15:55.21TepetkhetFreeBSD != Linux
15:55.21equiraptorI'm talking about OS X and FreeBSD.
15:55.21TepetkhetOS X != Linux.
15:55.21Patrigan-Syldraor unix?
15:55.22equiraptorBoth of which are "unix based operating systems," which I abbreviate as *nix.
15:55.22TepetkhetExactly what equiraptor said.
15:55.28Patrigan-Syldra-_-
15:55.36Patrigan-Syldrajust keep it easy with such silly abbreviations
15:55.55TepetkhetIt's not silly.
15:56.09Patrigan-Syldrano offense, I'm just sometimes annoyed with the hate against other operators...
15:56.12TepetkhetI could start calling you PS.
15:56.16Patrigan-SyldraOMG!
15:56.20equiraptorI'm not hating on anyone or anything.
15:56.21Patrigan-SyldraOMG!
15:56.24TepetkhetNow THAT is silly.
15:56.25equiraptorI'm just talking about my observations.
15:56.27TepetkhetIt's not about hate.
15:56.37Patrigan-Syldrawell, allow me to put it differentlyt
15:56.45TepetkhetRight tool for the job.
15:56.51Patrigan-Syldraa lack of knowledge about the potentials of every operating system
15:56.52TepetkhetNot every tool is right for every job.
15:56.58Patrigan-Syldraidd
15:57.08equiraptorAre you claiming I lack knowledge about Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, and OS X?
15:57.10Patrigan-SyldraWindows is for amusement and general stuff
15:57.15Patrigan-Syldranot necessarily
15:57.21equiraptorOk. Thanks.
15:57.26TepetkhetThat's what it sounded like, PS.
15:57.36Patrigan-Syldrabut what I've seen you write does tend me to lean towards hat part
15:57.48TepetkhetNot at all.
15:57.49Patrigan-Syldrathough, I haven't followed the whole conversation
15:57.54equiraptorYou're getting only pieces.
15:57.59Patrigan-Syldraso, all in all, I'm not in much of a position
15:58.03Tepetkhetequiraptor is one of the most even and fair-minded people.
15:58.04equiraptorMy knowledge of the TCP/IP stack in Windows is lacking.
15:58.04Patrigan-Syldrabut still
15:58.07equiraptorI freely admit that.
15:58.14Xatoonoufwhere can I find the list of any available frames from UI which can be accessed from a lua script ( like PartyMemberFrame, TargetFrame .. etc because I am searching frame names for raid slots )
15:58.16TepetkhetAnd smart, too!
15:58.17Tepetkhetheh
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15:58.33equiraptorI just know there's something about it that doesn't play nicely with a FreeBSD based NAT machine. I've been told this by a Windows expert at my workplace.
15:58.47Patrigan-Syldrahmmm
15:58.52equiraptor(Well, actually, two different ones, in two different conversations, one of whom tests networking specifically)
15:58.53Patrigan-Syldrawatch out with those windows experts
15:59.01Patrigan-Syldraask him what he thinks about a mac and you'll know why
15:59.11equiraptorDepends on the Windows expert. ;)
15:59.18Patrigan-Syldrayeah but still
15:59.26Patrigan-SyldraI have yet to meet a windows expert that doesn't hate mac
15:59.30Patrigan-SyldraI'll be honest
15:59.33Patrigan-SyldraI dislike mac
15:59.46Patrigan-Syldrabut, I do realise that it's because of the fact that mac doesn't lean towards my needs
15:59.56Patrigan-Syldrahowever if I would work more with graphical crap
16:00.03Patrigan-Syldraa mac would suit my needs better
16:00.06equiraptorNeither of these two "hate" Mac. One refuses to have anything to do with it because everybody uses Windows, so why bother to learn Mac?
16:00.11equiraptorThe other actually likes OS X. :)
16:00.15Patrigan-Syldrabut WIndows experts deny that fact
16:00.40Patrigan-Syldragood then he's a good one
16:00.51Patrigan-Syldraon the wiki fact
16:01.00Patrigan-SyldraI quickly added IRL and ingame
16:01.04Patrigan-Syldra2 common used terms
16:01.13Patrigan-SyldraI Stubbed it though
16:01.22Patrigan-Syldraso if you feel like improving...
16:01.25Patrigan-Syldraget to it ^^
16:02.45equiraptorI really gotta start some of this testing. *sigh*
16:02.59Patrigan-SyldraI got to study my Mechanics
16:03.05Patrigan-Syldrabut do you see me testing?
16:03.10Patrigan-Syldrawell studying*
16:03.11Patrigan-Syldranope ^^
16:08.13equiraptorWell, found the server.
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16:10.41TepetkhetPS, that's equiraptor's job, though.
16:12.27Patrigan-Syldra><
16:12.30Patrigan-Syldradon't say PS :<
16:12.39Patrigan-Syldrareminds me of Playstation :<
16:12.49Patrigan-Syldraand playstation will be death within 1 year...
16:13.12equiraptorheh. Someone decided to call me ER.
16:13.30equiraptorAll I could think was emergency room. He called me ER after insulting him, so I attacked him for it. :/
16:13.32Patrigan-Syldraerrr...
16:13.40Patrigan-Syldra^^
16:13.55equiraptorer, s/him/me/
16:14.21KirkburnLol, just reading an article about MySpace pages from a type-designer's PoV
16:14.23equiraptorThat might be more clear if it was s/insulting him/insulting me/. But by now i'm just making things more confusing.
16:14.28KirkburnCompare: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:6TfX7ukACXkJ:profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendid%3D64825305+64825305&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1
16:14.36KirkburnTo: http://www.myspace.com/mikeindustries
16:14.57Kirkburn(the first one eventually got protected by the user, unsurprisingly :P)
16:15.15Tepetkhethehehe
16:15.34TepetkhetPatrigan-Syldra: You realize I'm just giving you a hard time for calling *nix a silly abbreviation, right?
16:15.54Patrigan-SyldraTepetkhet you realise I will sexually harass you then?
16:16.04Patrigan-Syldraand Kirkburn first one wins, tat girl has some looks
16:16.10Patrigan-Syldrathe dude on the second doesn't :<
16:16.15Kirkburnlol
16:16.25KirkburnNo, she has a stupid push-up bra
16:16.56Tuqui-tuqui:o
16:17.00Tuqui-tuquiwho does?
16:17.03Tuqui-tuquiO need proof >:{
16:17.18KirkburnThe really long link
16:17.25Patrigan-Syldra*sends a mail asking if she wears a push-up*
16:17.25KirkburnPosted it above :)
16:17.43Tuqui-tuquimeh
16:17.44Tuqui-tuqui-.-
16:17.52Patrigan-Syldrathough, on the point you were referring to Kirkburn
16:17.55Patrigan-Syldraher page
16:17.58equiraptorheh
16:18.01Patrigan-Syldrais a pain in the ass to loook at
16:18.01Kirkburn"I Hold Rank Like The Late Frank...Im The Bella Don! I Have A Beautiful 2 1/2 Year Old Daughter and A Great Family Who I Love To Death! Without Them There Is No Breezy! If I Roll w/ You Then You Considered My Fam! I Am God Fearing and Very Faithful! I Go To School and I Work Hard!"
16:18.49KirkburnThis is the article about design: http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=117171&ran=59714
16:19.28Patrigan-SyldraKirkburn
16:19.47Patrigan-SyldraI learned how to create a good Myspace (haven't done it though) froma  whole other source
16:20.15KirkburnDon't, just don't
16:20.23Patrigan-Syldrahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uoznd9EMQYs
16:21.30Kirkburnlol
16:21.48Patrigan-Syldraperfect study
16:27.10TepetkhetKirkburn: ... That breezy MySpace page makes my mind vomit.
16:27.28Kirkburnheehee
16:27.55KirkburnOh no! The spork!
16:28.38Tuqui-tuquisporks have been proven to kill more people than llamas
16:28.40KirkburnI wanna use it :)
16:28.59Patrigan-Syldrastealerers*
16:29.07Patrigan-Syldrawtf?
16:29.33KirkburnNo one everer understandels me-ee! :(
16:30.09KirkburnI meant I want to use a spork, not a llama. That would be weird.
16:30.13TepetkhetWhat do you need this spork for?
16:30.44equiraptorI always view tape drive testing as such a pain.
16:31.34equiraptorBut really, it's just tar -c, tar -x.
16:35.18jrrhttp://pics.livejournal.com/adrian76/pic/00020py8
16:37.11equiraptorBeauty school?
16:37.22equiraptorI'd get kicked out.
16:37.48TepetkhetI need help with a css problem...
16:39.38jrrTepetkhet: sweet.
16:39.51TepetkhetAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Oh no!  Man, am I bad person to be amused by a headline like...
16:39.54Tepetkhet"Scorpion on a plane stings man multiple times"
16:40.15TepetkhetI'm about sick and tired of these mother effing scorpions on this mother effing plane.
16:40.27Patrigan-Syldralol ^^
16:40.32equiraptorThey just need some black lights. ;)
16:40.34Patrigan-Syldranah, it doesn't make you bad Tepetkhet
16:40.42Patrigan-Syldrait's positive that you laugh with it
16:40.52Patrigan-SyldraI did too
16:42.02TepetkhetI know what the problem was.
16:42.08TepetkhetSamuel L. Jackson wasn't on the plane.
16:42.17TepetkhetI know it's no snake, but...
16:42.18Tepetkhetyeah
16:42.44Tepetkhethahaha!
16:42.53Tepetkhet"He said he hadn’t seen the recent movie, “Snakes on a Plane,” starring Samuel L. Jackson."
16:42.56Patrigan-Syldra^^
16:42.59Adyshttp://www.thottbot.com/?i=37170 lol at thottbot
16:43.07AdysDisenchants into Thorium Ore requiring 250 JWC
16:43.46Patrigan-SyldraDisenchants into is said by many undisenchantable items
16:43.58Adysyeah I know :P
16:44.02Patrigan-SyldraAllakhazam suffers from the same problem
16:44.06equiraptorYeah, thott's disenchant is so screwed up.
16:44.13Patrigan-Syldraand yet, people trust them more than us oO
16:44.22Patrigan-Syldranot only diss
16:44.31Patrigan-SyldraI've seen mounts drop from herbalism
16:44.38equiraptorI trust my interpretation of their data....
16:45.05equiraptorWhich is, "well, duh, no, mounts don't drop from herbalism. And you can't disenchant that recipe. Duh."
16:45.20AdysLemme see what categories we could have in Category:Mounts
16:45.25Adysatm I have PvP Mounts
16:45.34Adysand I created Rams, so Im thinking about Horses, Kodos etc
16:45.43equiraptorWhat about Horde and Alliance?
16:46.03AdysCategorize Kodos as Horde and Horses as Alliance then
16:46.10equiraptorYeah.
16:46.28Adysor eventually just fill in the item as race specific category
16:46.28TepetkhetThere are also rare drop mounts.
16:46.30equiraptorPeople actually ask if they can ride the other faction's mount sometimes, if they get exalted (although they tend to spell it exhaulted).
16:46.37Adysyep thinkin about it too tep
16:46.52AdysI dunno might be overdoing it having 12 subcategories for mounts alone =P
16:46.58equiraptorheh :)
16:47.32Patrigan-Syldradepends Adys
16:47.36Patrigan-Syldrathough...
16:47.50Patrigan-Syldrawe need to get zeal his proposal through...
16:47.55Patrigan-Syldraso gogo vote yes!
16:48.21Tepetkhethttp://www.thenoobsquad.com/pics/RazzashiRaptor.jpg
16:48.27AdysPvP Mounts, Normal Mounts, Epic Mounts, Flying Mounts, Epic Flying Mounts, Horses, Rams, Elekks, Talbuks, Mechanostriders, Tigers, Kodos, Dreadsteeds, Cockatrices, Wolves
16:48.31Adysmmmm
16:49.24Adyshi2u category with 3 members created for normalization
16:50.01Adyswell, 5
16:50.33AdysMmm, Im gonna delete Category:Rams methink, bad idea tbh
16:51.02TepetkhetHow about categories for Dropped Mounts, Alliance (PvP Mounts, Normal Mounts, Epic Mounts, Flying Mounts, Epic Flying Mounts), (PvP Mounts, Normal Mounts, Epic Mounts, Flying Mounts, Epic Flying Mounts)?
16:51.06Tepetkheter
16:51.17Tepetkhetthe second () should have a Horde in front of it.
16:51.35TepetkhetI dunno.
16:51.47AdysMakes it hard to browse
16:51.51TepetkhetI should be quiet because I don't really understand your categorization.
16:52.27Adysyou think I do? =P
16:53.35KirkburnPlease, no small categories
16:53.56Adysyeah im deleting it kirk
16:54.03Adysgonna stick to the largest ones
16:54.05Kirkburn'ground' mounts, flying mounts, and PvP should be enough
16:54.16TepetkhetDropped mounts.
16:54.23KirkburnThat too :)
16:55.27Tepetkhethah
16:55.43TepetkhetSwift Razzashi Equiraptor?
16:55.49TepetkhetSorry.
16:55.49equiraptorhehe
16:55.57TepetkhetOur guild has had TWO of them drop.
16:56.02TepetkhetWithin 2 weeks of each other.
16:56.26Adyshehe my former guild had one drop the second week zul gurub was out, when it was still horribly rare
16:56.34AdysI was "afk"
16:56.38TepetkhetIt is still horribly rare.
16:56.39Adysim still pissed :P
16:56.44TepetkhetWe were just incredibly lucky.
16:56.54TepetkhetAnd we can kill the Bloodlord quite easily now.
16:57.07Tepetkhet(no exploits, either)
16:57.12Tepetkhet(of course)
16:58.12_dok3Daltank/heal/dps
16:59.20Adysslowwiki.com again meh
16:59.56Tepetkhetyeah
17:00.59_dok3DalI Feel Mandokir more like a gear check encounter dont you?
17:01.19TepetkhetWell
17:01.22Adysbarely
17:01.22TepetkhetGear check
17:01.28Tepetkhet+heal check
17:01.37Adysmini patchwerk
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17:01.42TepetkhetTiming back-out-and-bandage check
17:01.46Adysbut more of an easymode boss
17:01.57Adysrezzers all around too to keep practising
17:02.00TepetkhetAnd paying attention.
17:02.02Tepetkhetwell
17:02.04TepetkhetNot really
17:02.11TepetkhetYou rez more than once, it's pretty much a wipe
17:02.19TepetkhetBecause Mandokir will have dinged too much.
17:02.30Adysyes but it keeps you going
17:02.37Adysinstead of having two deaths and an insta wipe
17:02.43TepetkhetBut yeah, you can't really do him properly until your tanks have a certain amount of +defense.
17:02.52_dok3Dalin fact all other zg boss (except optionnals) need specific tactics
17:02.59TepetkhetSo it's a gear check on your tanks more than anything else.
17:03.27Tepetkhet3 geared tanks, in fact.
17:03.36Tepetkhet1 for Mandokir, and 2 to rotate on the raptor.
17:04.03_dok3Dalwell, with a naxx-level-stuffed raid you dont even need 2 tanks on the raptor
17:04.12TepetkhetProbably not.
17:04.18_dok3Dalthe boss goes to 0% before the sunder was really a problem
17:04.37TepetkhetBut we're a ZG/AQ20/MC guild.
17:04.52equiraptorWith our T2 tanks, we only had one tank on the raptor.
17:04.54TepetkhetStill can't seem to take down Ossirian...
17:05.04Adysossirian is a bitch
17:05.10Adyswell thank god they added the first crystal tho
17:05.27Adysnot fun when you see nothing spawn and say "take the wipe" before anyone even got hit'
17:05.31_dok3Dalwhat is you problem with ossirian ?
17:05.36TepetkhetMovement.
17:05.44TepetkhetAnd positioning.
17:05.50TepetkhetHerding cats, really.
17:05.53Patrigan-Syldrahave everyone on behind the tanks
17:06.04Patrigan-Syldraand the tanks move with their backs towards the next crystal
17:06.06Tepetkhetyes
17:06.10TepetkhetI know.
17:06.10_dok3Dalhave everyone beetween the boss and the next crystal
17:06.12TepetkhetI know the strat.
17:06.14_dok3DalALWAYS
17:06.25TepetkhetIt's getting everybody to MOVE THEIR BUTTS.
17:06.36equiraptorTep's guild can be.. ur... lazy.
17:06.40equiraptorPathetic.
17:06.43equiraptorAnnoying.
17:06.46TepetkhetI was one of the mounted rogues pinging crystals.
17:06.58_dok3Dal"one of the"
17:07.00TepetkhetThere was one mage standing next to me at the next crystal.
17:07.03TepetkhetYeah.  We have 2
17:07.06TepetkhetWe go in a relay.
17:07.14_dok3Dalyou are more than one doing it onthe same time?
17:07.20_dok3Dalho
17:07.20TepetkhetI stand next to the "next crystal" and ping it.
17:07.22_dok3Dalok
17:07.29TepetkhetAnd the second scouts ahead for the next.
17:07.40_dok3Dalcontinually ping your crystal when the raid have to move to it
17:07.45Tepetkhetyeah
17:08.13TepetkhetSo there was one mage standing next to me.
17:08.22TepetkhetJust jumping around a little.
17:08.24TepetkhetNot casting.
17:08.29TepetkhetWAY ahead of the raid.
17:08.45_dok3Dalwhy ?
17:08.49TepetkhetBecause he's an idiot.
17:08.53AdysKick slackers who cant understand out of the raid
17:08.53_dok3Dalok
17:08.58_dok3Dalthat's a good reason
17:09.01Adysand get them back they grown up
17:09.06TepetkhetActually, we're about to kick him out of the guild.
17:09.18TepetkhetGetting tired of his continual slacking and self-centeredness.
17:09.31TepetkhetHe's not contributing to the guild.  I wonder why he's even in a guild.
17:09.38_dok3Dalif you want your raid to progress
17:09.41Adyswarnings are useless for this kind of guys
17:09.41TepetkhetHe soloed almost the whole way to 60.
17:09.46_dok3Dalyou have to kick the bad element
17:09.56Adyskick them out of raids, eir dkp or whatever
17:09.59Adysremove their*
17:10.08Adysand if they still dont understand
17:10.09Adysgkick
17:10.11TepetkhetSadly, we are sometimes low on available members.
17:10.27AdysWell depends what kind of guild you are
17:10.35TepetkhetAnd mages are needed for Ossirian...but come on.  He was just taking up a slot in the raid.
17:10.45TepetkhetWe're medium core.
17:10.49TepetkhetRaiding.
17:10.51Adyspersonally at some point we had to kick about 10 members out of the guild (kick or force to leave)
17:10.53_dok3Dalmages are no more needed than other classes for ossirian
17:10.58_dok3Dalthis is a misconception
17:10.59TepetkhetRanged DPS.
17:11.07Adysbecause they were either raiding too few or they didnt know how to play their class
17:11.21_dok3Dalthe only thing that require mage on ossirian is dispell
17:11.27Tepetkhetyeah
17:11.31Adysdownside : you loose the community spirit, and today people are not saying hi in guildchat anymore
17:11.33TepetkhetCurse of tongues on the healers, right?
17:11.41_dok3Dalright
17:11.47_dok3Dalthis must be dispell
17:11.55_dok3Dalor the heal dont have time to move AND heal
17:12.02TepetkhetWe do keep a few people around who don't raid often just because they still have community spirit.
17:12.05Adysthe good side is you get awesome progress, we killed cthun, and 10 bosses in naxx, within a bit more than 2 months
17:12.17Adysif you are lucky enough to get the good core of the server
17:12.47Adysaka if it gets known that your guild wants to be really hardcore, youll get the good players
17:13.00Adyswish we did it earlier :( KT would be down by now
17:13.19Adysfucking 2.0
17:13.24Patrigan-Syldralol ^^
17:13.31Patrigan-SyldraHardcore ain't fun
17:13.32Adysno serious
17:13.37Patrigan-Syldrayou conquer things
17:13.39Adysdepends patrigan
17:13.46Patrigan-Syldrabut you miss so much other stuff
17:13.53TepetkhetWe try to keep a balance.
17:13.55AdysI agree with you, partly
17:13.59_dok3DalTepetkhet, you can keep some guys in the guild because of their spirit
17:14.01Patrigan-Syldrawe had a guild who didn't look at the AQ opening
17:14.04Adysif you go all out hardcore, it can be fun
17:14.11Adysfor me its been fun for a while
17:14.12_dok3Dalbut you cannot accept them in raid at high level
17:14.14Patrigan-Syldrathey just went inside and started doing the instance
17:14.17Patrigan-Syldraso they missed the whole event
17:14.30TepetkhetWe don't want to be so hardcore that we turn into elitists with no life...
17:14.41Patrigan-Syldrawell anyawys
17:14.44Patrigan-Syldragoing down for food
17:14.44Adysthen when you wanna start spending time with friends etc etc you just have to leave the guild and change a bit your playstyle
17:14.45Patrigan-Syldrabrb
17:14.54TepetkhetDon't want to kick good people out just because they're not on that often.
17:14.54_dok3Dalmust deco ... back to home
17:14.56_dok3Dal++
17:15.03_dok3Daland good luck on ossirian
17:15.08Tepetkhetheh
17:15.08Adysits what I did. stopped hardcore for BC because anyways Stormrage EU isnt a good server for real hardcore progress
17:15.09TepetkhetThanks.
17:15.21Adysand aye gl ima get some food and sleep too
17:15.24KirkburnOh Blue Peter, you're so good
17:15.27TepetkhetBut we don't want to keep slackers around who would rather PvP than help out.
17:16.05AdysAnyone on alt or in a bg while a raid needing players is going on is worth a warning if not a guild kick
17:16.16TepetkhetYes.
17:16.22Adysif you dont wanna help out you go offline
17:16.26TepetkhetWe have that as a policy.
17:16.36Adysapply it then
17:16.37TepetkhetSome people claim ignorance.
17:16.41Adysremove his dkp
17:16.44Tepetkhetheh
17:16.47Adysdont care bout ignorance
17:16.48TepetkhetThey don't care about DKP at this point.
17:16.55Adysyou dont know, you need to l2read
17:17.02Tepetkhethah
17:17.02TepetkhetYeah
17:17.03Adysharsh but you gotta do it that way if you wanna work out
17:17.11Adysfriendship policy doesnt work all the time
17:17.42Adys20 online, 19 in raid one in AB
17:17.45Adysyou whisper him
17:17.53Adys"If you want to stay in this guild, get your ass here."
17:17.58Tepetkhethahaha
17:17.58TepetkhetYes.
17:18.01TepetkhetI've done that.
17:18.07Adyshe obeys?
17:18.12TepetkhetIt varies.
17:18.19Tepetkhet"I'm only going to be on for a half hour."
17:18.19Adyshe obeys you let it go
17:18.22Adyshe doesnt /gkick
17:18.26Tepetkhet"It'll take that long to get there."
17:18.39Adystell him he should be at instance portal AT the raid start
17:18.41Adysand not after
17:18.44Adysand kick him
17:18.48equiraptor"Tough. If you don't want to make the effort, quit the guild."
17:18.53Adysif hes useless no point keeping him
17:19.16AdysWhat I see if i understand you correctly
17:19.20Tepetkhetthere was ONE person who pushed to PvP like that...
17:19.28TepetkhetFor a half hour
17:19.31Adysis all he does in your guild is holding a spot to another potential applicant
17:19.40TepetkhetHe was just a smidgen away from Warlord's gear.
17:19.55TepetkhetBefore the honour changes.
17:19.59TepetkhetAnd it was a Monday.
17:20.00Adysthats fair enough yeah
17:20.05TepetkhetSo I let him.
17:20.08TepetkhetHe got his gear...
17:20.11TepetkhetAnd now he raids a lot.
17:20.18TepetkhetSo I'm glad I let him.
17:20.18Adysyeah got a few like that
17:20.33Adyssome never come back really from PvP, but most are very good raiders
17:20.43TepetkhetAnother guy pulled some very interesting moves a day after joining our guild.
17:20.47TepetkhetHe has been warned.
17:20.54TepetkhetIf it happens again, he's getting kicked.
17:21.10TepetkhetAnd good luck finding another guild on this server, pal.  He just transferred, too.
17:21.38TepetkhetWe're a pretty good community.
17:21.59TepetkhetWe know if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake.  ;)
17:22.19TepetkhetHe'll be stuck here for at least 3 months, I think.
17:22.26equiraptorGreat Father winter is checkin' his lists.
17:23.05TepetkhetI have GMs/officers from most of the top guilds on my friends list.  We compare notes a lot for new applicants.
17:23.12TepetkhetI check references.
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17:23.29Adysdepends on the serv
17:23.31TepetkhetCan't check them when they transfer in, though.
17:23.46Adyson stormrage its pretty good community aswell but guilds are most often rivalties beetween themselves
17:23.48Adysand pretty bad ones
17:23.56Adyshttp://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=1145&sid=1
17:24.00Adyshi forumdrama
17:24.21TepetkhetThere are not many raiding guilds on our realm.
17:24.29TepetkhetHorde-side
17:24.30Adys13 pages of drama (To Elitism), 7 more on 'GJ Vision'
17:26.08TepetkhetHAHAHA
17:26.23TepetkhetSome guy whining about being kicked from a raid for being AFK for 15 minutes or so?
17:26.31Adysyeah hes a tard
17:26.36TepetkhetSeriously.
17:26.42Adyswas a pug raid btw
17:26.45Adysits the weekly MC pug
17:26.48TepetkhetDon't forget to /afk Food
17:26.51TepetkhetOr /afk Bio
17:27.03Adyshes much of a slacker and retard tbh no much hope for him
17:27.03TepetkhetAt the VERY least.
17:27.11TepetkhetWe kick our own guildies for that.
17:27.24TepetkhetGoing AFK/offline for >15, 20 mins with no message and no word.
17:27.42AdysBut I mean Stormrage is a very good community, not as many immature kids as on other servers, many trustful and well known ppl etc
17:27.46Adyshttp://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=107591447 \o/
17:27.47Tepetkhetyeah
17:28.05Adysweekly MC pug always clearing to rag rarely wipeing :) love it
17:28.10Adysgets you to know more ppl etc
17:28.32TepetkhetWe don't really do MC or Ony PuGs.
17:28.51Adysshame
17:28.54Adysits fun tbh
17:29.04AdysIm sodding bored of bwl
17:29.12TepetkhetI haven't been to BWL.
17:29.13Adysand Ive been to MC three times more than bwl
17:29.22Adysstill, I love MC
17:29.25TepetkhetAnd our guild still has bosses to down in MC.
17:29.27Adysbecause of the pugs i lead there
17:29.30TepetkhetSo we need to work as a team.
17:29.35Tepetkhetbefore we bring in unknowns.
17:29.39equiraptorI should try to get my druid in on some of the MC pugs.
17:29.48equiraptorIt'd be nice to get the other four pieces of T1 for her.
17:29.54Adysequi: you're on stormrage?
17:30.08equiraptorNo, Whisperwind. I don't think we have weekly MC pugs, but we have MC bugs.
17:30.15equiraptorer, s/bugs/pugs/
17:30.24Adyslol
17:30.29Adysreminds me
17:30.39Adyshttp://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=85359050
17:30.40equiraptor(and that's Whisperwind US, not EU, if there is an EU....)
17:30.49Adysyah theres an EU
17:34.07Adysoo
17:34.20Adysim gonna give a random quote to my user page
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17:39.19TepetkhetOMG!  I fixed it!!!
17:39.27Tepetkhet:D
17:39.53TepetkhetI had to encapsulate the whole list in a div and it fixed the 3px jog bug I was having.
17:39.56Tepetkhetin IE
17:46.03Kirkburnwoo
17:46.15KirkburnI'm wrestling with CSS too atm
17:46.23AdysIm feeling creative today
17:46.56AdysKirk, you better not steal my user page ideas this time!
17:46.59Adysbet ya he will
17:47.41KirkburnQuotes?
17:47.53Kirkburnooooh :)
17:47.57Adyslol
17:48.06KirkburnYou realise that colour looks like poo?
17:48.10Adysyeah
17:48.16Adysi took it as placeholder
17:48.22AdysIm gonna format it in a small blockquote
17:48.36Adysthats why I made it in a template (User:Adys/Qotd)
17:48.48Tepetkhethttp://www.niceboots.com/~tenebrae/test/technical.php
17:49.00TepetkhetThis page should look the same in IE and FF now.
17:49.03AdysI dont know what color I can take :[
17:49.31TepetkhetColour for what?
17:49.36KirkburnAny of the rainbow?
17:49.37Adysuser page quotes
17:49.51Adysmmm =P
17:50.02AdysI think Im gonna go for something blue/blue
17:50.07Adyslets see what I can do
17:50.25TepetkhetPart of the <ul> on that page was indented 3px over by the navbox.
17:50.38TepetkhetSo I had to wrap the whole thing in a div with a height: 1%
17:51.33KirkburnTepetkhet, cool
17:51.50KirkburnWhich <ul> - the main box?
17:52.03KirkburnThe "bugfix" one? :P
17:52.23Tepetkhetheh
17:52.47Tepetkhetthe bugfix div just has a line that says height: 1% in it
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17:53.26Tepetkhetoops
17:53.33TepetkhetI hit esc in the wrong window.
17:54.08KirkburnMyself, I would place <div class="floatright"><img src="images/techserv03.jpg" alt="We do radio repairs"></div>
17:54.31Kirkburnargh
17:54.31KirkburnWrong button
17:54.31Kirkburnnvm that =)
17:55.42KirkburnI'm not sure how it would appear, but I would add a border to the images, something like a 2px grey border
17:55.53KirkburnThe white/black contrast can be slightly jarring
18:02.23AdysKirk: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys - what do you think about the colors etc?
18:02.28AdysIm not inspired when it comes to styling
18:02.43KirkburnLooks okay =)
18:02.54Kirkburnmebbe a bit lighter?
18:03.14Adyshow would you do that =P
18:03.44Adyslike that?
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18:04.28KirkburnI meant the text?
18:04.32Adysow
18:04.42Adysthats just the quote thats long :P
18:04.53Adyscurrentday is lighter, check again
18:06.03TepetkhetKirkburn: grey border around which?
18:10.00KirkburnThe photos? Just a thought
18:10.22Tepetkhetah
18:10.33TepetkhetI could try that and see how it looks.
18:12.49Tepetkhet"This Page Is Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!"
18:12.50Tepetkhetyay!
18:13.14KirkburnCool
18:13.23KirkburnNow go for XHTML 1.0 Transitional :)
18:13.27TepetkhetNooooooo
18:13.51KirkburnThat's the one to aim for (well 1.1 if you're feeling sadistic ;)
18:15.44TepetkhetBTW, did I mention that my previous web design work was pretty much nothing more advanced than <br> and <center> tags?
18:17.36Adyshttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=60766308 ^^
18:17.42Adysawesome
18:17.44KirkburnTepetkhet, heh, yes :P
18:18.12KirkburnSo was mine at one point ^^
18:18.35KirkburnXHTML 1.0 isn't that much more then 4.01, yours should pass quite easily
18:20.09KirkburnAdys, lol
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18:26.12nemppuIS THIS SUM LORE PLZ
18:26.20Patrigan-Syldrahmmm?
18:26.28nemppuill rephrase
18:26.36nemppuis this channel full of warcraft lorenerds?
18:26.40Patrigan-SyldraIf the question is: is there a problem with your caps lock? then yes
18:26.48Patrigan-Syldrathere are some, but no not all of them ar
18:26.52nemppuWUUT
18:26.53Patrigan-Syldrame isn't really a nerd
18:26.58nemppui think ill tag along
18:27.01Patrigan-SyldraI'm just someone from the game
18:27.07nemppulorelorelorelorelore>:3
18:27.14nemppui hate it how they kill out all the cool characters in TBC T_____T
18:27.16Patrigan-Syldrahow, do take it easy
18:27.19nemppustuupid blizzard
18:27.24nemppulady vashj is <3 :|
18:27.29Patrigan-Syldrayou don't know if they will gert killed
18:27.41Patrigan-SyldraI can confirm to you alrdy that Illidan will NO die
18:27.49nemppu!!!! >:O
18:28.01AdysBut...
18:28.06AdysIsnt illidan already dead?
18:28.13Patrigan-SyldraThe rest I have no confirmation as of yet
18:28.16Patrigan-Syldraofc he isn't?
18:28.23Patrigan-SyldraArthas didn't get him dead
18:28.27Adys|AFKWHAT?!
18:28.41Patrigan-SyldraHe was close to dead
18:28.45Adyspfft
18:28.48Adyshe was dead.
18:28.57Patrigan-Syldradid he say it himself "I'm dead"
18:29.01Patrigan-Syldra?
18:29.03Adysyeah
18:29.07Adyshe whispered me
18:29.23Adys"Im gonna stop playing, Arthas killed me. You can have my gear"
18:29.48AdysHumour and me are two today btw
18:29.59Patrigan-Syldra? oO
18:30.10Patrigan-SyldraI would rather sya Hmour and you is below 0
18:30.16Adyslol
18:30.17Patrigan-Syldra^^
18:30.18Adysindeed
18:30.21Patrigan-Syldranew depth reached!
18:30.57nemppuyes, as he said, illidan didnt die :B
18:31.13nemppubut killing and farming lady vashj ;__;
18:31.15nemppuand kael'thas
18:31.29Patrigan-Syldranothing of them is known yet
18:31.42Patrigan-Syldrahowever there is a slight inconsistency in killing Kael'thas atm
18:31.53Patrigan-SyldraPrince Kael is still expected to reign over his elves
18:32.05Patrigan-SyldraI actually expect him to commit suicide
18:32.11Patrigan-Syldrabut meh, my oppinion
18:34.59Tuqui-tuquiI saw we all get nekkie
18:35.04Tuqui-tuquiand strap on guitars
18:35.09Tuqui-tuquiIll start
18:35.13Patrigan-SyldraoO
18:35.17Tuqui-tuqui¬.¬
18:35.23Patrigan-Syldraso where was this channelkick button again?
18:35.28Tuqui-tuquiXD
18:35.31jrrhttp://www.5rupees.com/2007/01/10/how-to-win-wii-tennis-at-any-cost/
18:35.42Tuqui-tuquiyou mean to tell me you've never head of the nekkie cowboy >:{\
18:36.16TepetkhetI saw an ad for it the other day.
18:36.27Tuqui-tuquino...
18:36.44Tuqui-tuquinot the naked trucker
18:36.49Tuqui-tuquithe naked cowboy
18:40.02nemppu@_O
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18:43.04Teomyr"Crack a large smile, and if they don’t laugh, proceed to explain how you used the word “Wii” instead of “we”, therefore creating a clever pun." bwahaha
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18:46.01Tepetkhetah
18:46.07TepetkhetMy mistake.
18:46.19TepetkhetI saw a naked ugly man with a guitar and just looked away.
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18:48.28Tuqui-tuquiXD
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18:59.08KirkburnWoo, nearly done with converting to divs, now for dinner
18:59.30jrrwoo
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19:19.38TeomyrRARRR
19:19.41TeomyrME SMASH TELEPHONE
19:19.49equiraptorEasy, Teomyr.
19:19.55equiraptorWhy are you smashing the telephone?
19:21.54Teomyri always wonder how people manage to talk about topics that don't interest me the least
19:22.05Adyslol
19:22.52Tuqui-tuquitheres something wrong with this page
19:22.59Tuqui-tuquihttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Category:Rare_Items&from=Cadaverous+Belt
19:23.05Tuqui-tuquiI click next 200
19:23.12Tuqui-tuquibut it stays on the same page :<
19:23.18Tuqui-tuquior rather it reloads the same page
19:23.52Teomyrworks for me
19:24.11Tuqui-tuquid'oh! XD
19:24.14Gryphenthat has happened to me before Tuqui-tuqui
19:24.35Gryphenthink hard refresh fixed it, cant remember exactly but it went away after a short while
19:24.42Tuqui-tuquikk
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19:41.32KirkburnAdys, , zeal, http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Theron_the_Just#Discussion
19:42.00Adysthanks kirk
19:42.25Kirkburnnp
19:47.34KirkburnIt's amazing that pretty much every comment on his talk page is a complaint about his edits, yet he _still doesn't get it_
19:53.23TepetkhetSo.
19:53.52TepetkhetIs anybody else about sick of the comments about everything being made obsolete by the xpac?
19:54.05TepetkhetOr is it just me...
19:54.35equiraptorI've been tired of the "all my gear that I worked months for is crap now!" comments for a long time.
19:54.45Tepetkhetyeah
19:54.56Tepetkhetto hear people talk...
19:55.04TepetkhetYou can go naked into the outlands.
19:55.11TepetkhetAnd right as you step in, a gear fairy comes down and says, "HERE!"
19:55.17Tepetkhetand you get Tier4 equivalent greens!
19:55.26TepetkhetAnd the streets are paved with gold.
19:56.04TepetkhetI heard it from a friend of a buddy who's brother's co-worker's BF was in the beta, so it must be true!
19:56.07TepetkhetOkay, okay.
19:56.09TepetkhetI'm done.
19:57.48equiraptorheh :)
19:58.02nemppu:P
20:01.34KirkburnTepetkhet, yeah it annoys me too
20:01.58KirkburnI mean, what the hell have I been playing for for the last two years? Fun? Are you mad? :P
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20:03.43Hobinheimis kirkburn in the house?
20:03.46Hobinheimpaging an englishman
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20:03.59KirkburnIn da house!
20:04.25Hobinheimforum topic: tell me about british slang/insults
20:04.31Hobinheimcan't say i personally know of any...
20:05.03Hobinheimalso ot but "ask me about being the apple iphone handmodel" wtf...
20:06.22Kirkburnshwaa?
20:06.37Hobinheimkirkburn, tell me about british insults!
20:06.47Tepetkhethah
20:06.55HobinheimBummer, Twat, Pillock, Tool, Tit, Berk, Prat, Bellend, Prick, Poof, Slag, Arsehole, Cocklicker, Nob, Nobhead and Northener
20:07.01TepetkhetMuppet
20:07.06Kirkburnlol @ northerner
20:07.13KirkburnAlso: Southerner
20:07.21Hobinheimthe thread seems to agree that "cunt" is used liberally
20:07.23TepetkhetDon't forget Muppet.
20:07.29Hobinheimsome women/people in the US don't take lightly to the word cunt
20:07.42KirkburnSome women/people in the UK don't take lightly to it either
20:07.45Hobinheimali g taught me minger but i don't know how nasty that sounds
20:07.48HobinheimLOL
20:07.52KirkburnMinger = ugly
20:08.10KirkburnDo you want definitions for that list?!
20:08.18Hobinheimfuckwit?
20:08.26Kirkburnhaha
20:08.33Hobinheimknob jockey is probably just homosexual
20:08.43Hobinheimlol wtf is a gobshite
20:08.44TepetkhetMan, there's a ch one that I can't remember.
20:08.49Tepetkhetgob = mouth
20:08.57KirkburnWell I suppose that's were it originates, but it's not used in that way now
20:08.58Tepetkhetshote = shit
20:09.04Tepetkheter shite
20:09.09Tepetkhethm
20:09.13Kirkburnshite, I meant shite ;)
20:09.14Hobinheimlol@downie =(
20:09.23Hobinheimdoyle...?
20:09.30Hobinheimtart?
20:09.37KirkburnDoyle? Downie? No idea
20:09.40TepetkhetUsed to use Tebbit as a swear word back in the 80's.
20:09.49KirkburnTart = slapper (know that word?)
20:09.59KirkburnWell, sort of
20:10.03TepetkhetAre Doyle and Downie perhaps political in origin?
20:10.13KirkburnPoor Norman
20:10.15Hobinheimback in the 80s... how old are you?
20:10.20Tepetkhet36
20:10.30TepetkhetI lived in England 1982-1985
20:10.50Tepetkhetactually
20:11.02Hobinheimonly whippersnappers allowed in here =)
20:11.02KirkburnHobinheim, stop casting stuff you weirdo :)
20:11.21Hobinheimfacebook me then i'll stop
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20:11.39KirkburnNo, you facebook me!
20:11.48Hobinheimi did already
20:12.10Kirkburnoh
20:12.30Hobinheimoh lol hm
20:12.32Hobinheim*nm
20:12.48Hobinheimwe have no friends in common
20:13.15Hobinheimtruly, the man behind the wiki...
20:13.27Hobinheimthe wiki is bein' run by a dobber!
20:13.35Hobinheimhe's a right slag if you know what i mean
20:13.53KirkburnI'm worried
20:14.01KirkburnOh right
20:14.26KirkburnEr, yeah, damn
20:15.36KirkburnI thought my pic was cool :P
20:16.00nemppuomg brits or atleast brit wannabes woot
20:16.04Tepetkhethttp://www.niceboots.com/~tenebrae/pics/2006-08-08/Tenepurple002.jpg
20:16.25KirkburnI'm an actual Brit :)
20:16.32nemppuwoot \o/
20:16.43Hobinheimis that you?
20:16.50TepetkhetYeah.
20:16.53Hobinheimomg it's a girl
20:16.54KirkburnAaaah, the tongue! The tongue of dooooom!
20:17.08Tepetkhethahaha
20:17.13nemppuKirkburn ever been to any eddie izzard's gig?
20:17.19TepetkhetYeah, that's me after I got home from work.  :/
20:17.49KirkburnYeah, sure, since I'm a brit he like lives next door to me and I know his mother .... or in fact, no, I haven't =)
20:17.59nemppu:/
20:18.07nemppuwell the chances of you going to his gig is a lot bigger than mine!
20:18.17KirkburnIs that a natural hair colour? ;)
20:18.17nemppuhe doesnt do gigs in finland :/
20:18.28TepetkhetOh, sure.  I have pics that prove it, too.
20:18.35TepetkhetKidding.
20:18.38TepetkhetAbout the colour.
20:18.43Kirkburnheh, I've not ever really thought about going to an EI thing, it'd probably be quite cool though
20:19.00nemppuwhy did you randomly link a picture o,O
20:19.03nemppuof yourself
20:19.06nemppualso what do you do for living
20:19.11KirkburnCos Hobinheim just found one of me :P
20:19.27nemppuaha
20:19.31KirkburnLater on, Tepetkhet apparently went to pose in the garden ;)
20:20.22dok3hello
20:20.33dok3http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API
20:20.43dok3REMVOED UninviteByName("name")   - Uninvites (kicks) the named player from the current group if player is group leader. (Removed in 2.0, replaced by  UninviteUnit("unit")).
20:20.47nemppuanyway Kirkburn didnt mean it like that, i was just asking if you've.. because the chances are, if you appreciate his comedy you'd go to his gig, rite? it cant be that hard to get tickets to his gigs or what?
20:20.47dok3typo problem
20:20.55dok3"REMVOED"
20:21.11nemppuafaik he does gigs all over england aswell so you shouldnt neccessarily have to travel that much either!
20:21.24Kirkburnnemppu, I was just playing with you :P
20:21.34nemppuyeah i figured :B
20:21.40KirkburnAmericans come over and ask us if we know "Joe" ...
20:21.45nemppuhaha lol yeah
20:21.50nemppubecause england is such a small country, EH?
20:21.57KirkburnTiny!
20:21.59nemppu:P
20:22.07Kirkburndok3, and?
20:22.50*** join/#wowwiki amro (n=amro@82.101.184.149)
20:24.08dok3nothing
20:24.09TepetkhetWell, just looking at my pics, how old would you think I am?
20:24.42amroOVER NINE THOUSAND
20:24.49Kirkburngood answer :P
20:24.52Tepetkhethahaha
20:24.54dok3just I was shearching something on the api and notice the bad typo
20:25.06dok3searching*
20:25.07Kirkburndok3, fix, fix! ;)
20:25.18dok3grrrr :p
20:25.26nemppuehm...
20:25.28nemppu20-30 ?
20:25.30KirkburnTepetkhet, it's the hair, makes you look night elvish :P
20:25.46dok3I had to create an account so
20:25.47Tepetkhethttp://www.niceboots.com/~tenebrae/pics/2005-12-17/TeneDandy002.jpg
20:25.48Tepetkhetheh
20:25.54TepetkhetNot as bluish.
20:25.58TepetkhetIt's really deep purple.
20:26.12TepetkhetThe camera overcorrects for red, though.
20:26.21KirkburnNow that one makes you look about 20
20:26.38TepetkhetThat was just a year earlier.
20:26.47TepetkhetAs you can tell by the dir date.
20:26.48Tepetkhetheh
20:26.50nemppuproper to ask the real answer now?
20:26.54Tepetkhet36
20:26.56nemppu>:O
20:27.15nemppuquite cool o.Ô
20:27.24nemppuwhereabouts?
20:27.31TepetkhetAnd this was in response to...
20:27.33Tepetkhet[15:10] * Hobinheim casts Eternal Youth. Tepetkhet resists.
20:27.36Tepetkhetheh
20:27.37KirkburnThis must surely be around 1985 - http://www.sfgoth.com/~tenebrae/transtene.gif
20:28.31Kirkburn=)
20:28.31TepetkhetNo, about 10 years later.
20:28.31nemppuTepetkhet you from the US?
20:29.07TepetkhetJa, jeg kommer fra USA.
20:29.35nemppuomg you know swedish/danish/norway/whichever variation that is i suck at swedish? o,Ô
20:29.53nemppualso you could in theory be realistically my mother o,Ô
20:29.54nemppuwicked
20:30.14TepetkhetDanish...a few words/phrases.
20:30.24nempputhat wouldve been my guess!
20:30.33nemppuwhy do you know danish?
20:30.50nemppuspeaking danish is like speaking swedish with a hot potatoe in yer mouth
20:30.55Tepetkhethahha
20:30.56TepetkhetYeah
20:31.01TepetkhetI have a friend from Denmark.
20:31.10nemppuah
20:31.17nemppuohh~
20:31.23nemppumythbusters is starting
20:31.28amrodoes anyone know a good host that supports PHP/MySQL? Ruby/Python would be a bonus
20:31.30nemppulater~
20:31.33TepetkhetI think Rødgrød med fløde sounds like a murloc.
20:31.44nemppuwait that reminds me
20:31.46nemppuURL of the day:
20:32.03nemppu: http://www.isolated.se/murloc.php
20:32.14*** join/#wowwiki nitro (i=nitro@84.247.58.94)
20:32.30nemppuanyways, ->
20:32.45Tepetkhethah
20:33.50amrosimple substitution, boring =/
20:34.14KirkburnSee here's a question, are people using the same names here as on the wiki?
20:34.26TepetkhetI am a wikileech.
20:34.35TepetkhetI do not contribute.
20:34.39Tepetkhet:(
20:35.45jrri occasionally fix typos
20:35.49jrrsame name
20:37.47TepetkhetI have nothing to contribute, really.
20:38.13KirkburnTepetkhet, http://www.knitemare.org/cats/cookie.jpg =)
20:38.35DeathfaceCan someone reccomend a good add on that i can enter coordinates into
20:38.40Deathfacei tried metamap but cant figure out how to enter coords
20:38.42Tuqui-tuquioy yes
20:38.46TepetkhetKirkburn: I know...I love that kitty.  :)
20:38.48Tuqui-tuquiI also need a good add-on for coordinates
20:38.51Kirkburnhehe
20:39.01TepetkhetIt looks so sad..
20:39.04KirkburnYou wish to enter co-ords?
20:39.11KirkburnWhy?
20:39.12Tuqui-tuquiyes :D
20:39.16Tuqui-tuquiwhy not -.-
20:39.21KirkburnWell, what for?!
20:39.26Tuqui-tuquicause its the 1337 haxXor!
20:39.41KirkburnI recommend Cartographer
20:40.09amroI recommend using pins on the collector's edition map
20:40.19amro(which is not even cloth)
20:40.30Kirkburncloth pins wouldn't be much use
20:40.56amrothe cloth part is unrelated, i just think it's pathetic
20:41.10Hobinheimis that the cookie kittie
20:41.15KirkburnWhat's it made of?
20:41.29KirkburnNo, it's a sambuca wolf?
20:41.38amroheheh
20:41.43amrosome plastic probably
20:41.44Kirkburn(http://www.knitemare.org/cats/)
20:42.41amrohttp://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/
20:43.27Tepetkhethttp://www.knitemare.org/cats/cookieday.jpg
20:43.29Tepetkhetha ha!
20:45.39Kirkburnamro, wow
20:46.31Kirkburn"Kattalogen" lol
20:48.18KirkburnAwww! http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/index.html?view=1161382098-1161275828895.jpg
20:48.22TepetkhetAh, here it was.
20:48.24Tepetkhethttp://www.knitemare.org/cats/youeatedcookie.jpg
20:48.38TepetkhetThat's the proper response to "I made you a cookie...but I eated it."
20:49.20KirkburnFollowed by A.N. Other posting: http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161382098-1161250580097.jpg
20:52.43Teomyrim in ur akount, shardin ur purplez!
21:07.31*** join/#wowwiki Bagginsww (n=Valiento@adsl-69-225-0-102.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net)
21:07.46Bagginswwanything new?
21:08.11equiraptor<Teomyr> im in ur akount, shardin ur purplez!
21:08.14equiraptorJust that.
21:08.48Bagginswwhmm, LOL
21:10.26amroit came from The Source
21:10.45Bagginswwso finish reading RotH, or start reading spirit catches and you all fall down? :p
21:10.47Tepetkhethttp://www.niceboots.com/~tenebrae/pics/Etchi_hates_math.jpg
21:11.02Bagginswwthe latter being an assignment
21:11.04Tepetkhetim in ur bedroom...flunkin ur math homwrkz.
21:11.57equiraptorheh
21:12.02Tepetkhethttp://www.niceboots.com/~tenebrae/pics/Etchi_FVWM.jpg
21:12.15Tepetkhetim on ur desk...debuggin ur .fvwm2rc
21:12.54Bagginswwsorry don't click on random picture links LOL
21:13.05TepetkhetS4W
21:13.10Bagginswwhaxsors
21:13.18equiraptorThey're kitties!
21:13.26TepetkhetSame kitty, actually.
21:13.31TepetkhetHe's named Etchi.
21:13.37TepetkhetThe cat's etchi.  The pics are not.
21:13.40Tuqui-tuquiEtchi the kitteh
21:13.47BagginswwLOL
21:14.10Bagginswwok as long as it doesn't install keyloggers!!!
21:14.27equiraptorIF it does, Tep will have your account and mine.
21:14.38BagginswwLOL
21:14.40TepetkhetAnd most of the FVWM mailing list, too.
21:14.44TepetkhetAnd the devs.
21:14.49Bagginswwheh heh
21:15.08equiraptorAnd I know her character names, so we can just report her to blizzard. :)
21:15.22Tuqui-tuqui:o
21:15.25BagginswwLOL
21:15.27Tuqui-tuquiyou're going to report a girl?
21:15.31Tepetkhetuh
21:15.33TepetkhetWhy not?
21:15.33equiraptorI *am* a girl.
21:15.35Tuqui-tuquithat leaves like
21:15.35equiraptorso, sure!
21:15.39Tuqui-tuqui1 girl on WoW
21:15.44Tuqui-tuquiwho am I going to cyber with >:{
21:15.48equiraptorI'm in an all girl guild. ;)
21:15.48TepetkhetNot us.
21:16.04Bagginswwexcept for the people who act like girls
21:16.06Tuqui-tuquiI demand reinstituting whoever it is you are talking about!
21:16.14TepetkhetScreaming like a little girl doesn't count.
21:16.30Tuqui-tuquiim 8 >:{
21:16.32TepetkhetWe had somebody say the other night that mage iceblock should come with a scream like a little girl sound effect.
21:16.34equiraptorBagginsww: Actually, it's not likely that we have many fakes. We actually require all guild members to have a LiveJournal account...
21:16.34Bagginswwcrossdressers?
21:16.35Tuqui-tuquiim not little!
21:16.44equiraptorPlus we talk on Vent a lot...
21:16.48Bagginswwlol
21:16.55jrrequiraptor: seriously?
21:16.59TepetkhetNooooooooooo
21:17.02TepetkhetNot LiveJournal!
21:17.05BagginswwI refuse to cross dress my toons
21:17.11Tuqui-tuqui-.-
21:17.12equiraptorAnd... Well, there's another guild on the server that claims to be all girls, but is all slutty-ish girls, and... they don't check.
21:17.14jrrBagginsww: no male mages? =]
21:17.22equiraptorSo they have quite a few males.
21:17.25BagginswwI play as males as I am male
21:17.31Tuqui-tuquiI have a female mage because its kinda weird having my male characters wear a dress ¬.¬
21:17.34jrrbug mages wear dresses
21:17.35TepetkhetI have a couple male chars.
21:17.35amrothere was a female guildleader on my realm who never talked on vent for 348738472394 reasons
21:17.42Bagginswwand I'm a gnome mage :)
21:17.52Tuqui-tuquiheehee
21:17.58TepetkhetI don't play them.
21:17.58jrrhow do you lead a guild without voip?
21:18.00TepetkhetBut I have them.
21:18.00Tepetkhetheh
21:18.22equiraptorI think my highest level male character is 26.
21:18.31Tuqui-tuqui<--- 30 :D
21:18.32Bagginswwits a robe  if a guy wears it LOL
21:18.41Tuqui-tuquiand I have a pet blacksnake
21:18.45Tuqui-tuquiI call him Blackie :D
21:18.50Tuqui-tuquibut Blackie does not fight -.-
21:18.54Tuqui-tuquithat jerk
21:18.54Bagginswwor at least a manly kilt
21:19.13Bagginswwnever called a skirt LOL
21:19.23Tuqui-tuquiI can get mobbed right in front of Blackie but he never EVER helps!
21:19.27Tepetkhethah
21:19.33TepetkhetWon't even bite their ankle, huh?
21:19.35Tuqui-tuquihe just sits there all cool
21:19.38Tuqui-tuquinot even
21:19.47equiraptorHey, at least he doesn't sleep through it like the panda.
21:19.47Tuqui-tuquiand he's always lagging behind
21:20.02Tuqui-tuquiwhen im already somewhere he's like 10 yards behind me
21:20.10Tepetkhethah
21:20.33amroDiablo > all vanity pets
21:20.37amroflame breath!
21:20.41Tuqui-tuqui-.-
21:20.43jrrno, baby murloc is the best
21:20.45BagginswwI have one of each on different characters
21:20.56equiraptorI must remember to hook my computer into my car before I leave work today.
21:21.03Tuqui-tuquiI almost bought a pet frog yesterday for1G at the TB fair :D
21:21.09amrojrr: mini diablo barbecues murky
21:21.14jrrequiraptor: for?
21:21.14equiraptorThe frogs are cute. :)
21:21.20TepetkhetAll I have is snowman, kitty, spider.
21:21.23Bagginswwbaby murloc is priceless for its Michigan J. Frog routine
21:21.23jrramro: murky dances
21:21.32jrryeah def
21:21.34amrojrr: fire. FIRE!
21:21.37equiraptorjrr: Get a map from the ECU to send to the people who programmed the chip. :)
21:21.43Tuqui-tuquican you buy Murloc baby at AH?
21:21.47Bagginswwthe zergling gobble, or the panda sleep is funny though
21:21.49equiraptorNo. :(
21:21.54Tuqui-tuquioh... :<
21:21.57jrrequiraptor: what kind of car?
21:22.01equiraptorThe murloc baby is only for people who went to Blizzcon.
21:22.05equiraptorjrr: Supercharged Miata
21:22.07Tuqui-tuquinooo!!!!! XD
21:22.14Tuqui-tuqui:o
21:22.17Tuqui-tuquiI ride the subway!
21:22.17Bagginswwthey gave it out for a few other things too, sweepstakes and the like
21:22.19jrrgoing to "adjust" the ECU? =]
21:22.20Tuqui-tuquiSUBWAY FTW!
21:22.38equiraptorYup. It needs some tuning.
21:22.53Tuqui-tuquitheres going to be another special pet with the release of TBC:SE
21:22.57equiraptorI'm too ignorant and lazy to tune it myself, so I'm going to send off a map and have them send me a better one.  :)
21:22.58Tuqui-tuqui-.-
21:23.05BagginswwI like the christmas and q.ped ones too
21:23.06Tuqui-tuquiand it's already sold out XD
21:23.22Bagginswwwho doesn't want gnomes or a flying goblin following you aroudn
21:23.43BagginswwI still want the orphan to be permanent LOL
21:23.44TepetkhetI wanted the special edition, too.
21:23.47TepetkhetBut they were sold out.
21:24.08jrrdoes BC sped give you a vanity pet?
21:24.13BagginswwI preordered I worry that they screwed m order over :p
21:24.14Tepetkhetyes
21:24.23Tuqui-tuquiyes you get some kind of speal pet
21:24.27Tuqui-tuquispecial
21:24.28Bagginswwnetherwhelp
21:24.53Bagginswwa glowing, epheremal dragon whelp.
21:25.22Bagginswwwhich is cool since I never bothered to pay for or farm for one of hte other whelps
21:25.22TepetkhetI have one more bug to fix with the website.
21:25.52TepetkhetStupid IE + float causing container overflow mangling.
21:26.54Teomyrnoes
21:27.03Teomyrneed netherwhelp
21:28.21Bagginswwfrankly while I want the pet, the artbook and soundtrack is what I really want
21:28.58jrri haven't even preordered it.
21:28.58Bagginswwmaking of dvd after that
21:29.14BagginswwYa Im worried though that places took preordres too early and allowed more preordres than blizzard made the game
21:29.38Bagginswwso that some people might get screwed over
21:29.39Teomyryes, if i'd buy the ce, then for these features. but i had hoped you could find another of these whelps in-game like those in wetlands/swamps/badlands etc
21:30.19BagginswwI'm going to camp my local Bestbuy, and hope they have extras tehre
21:30.30Bagginswwget two copies if i'm lucky
21:30.32Bagginswwsell the other
21:31.02Tuqui-tuqui0.o
21:31.13Tuqui-tuquiso youre the one who selling them on ebay for like 300?
21:31.18Bagginswwno
21:31.21Bagginswwbut I would like to LOL
21:31.35Bagginswwactually I'd sell it for 180 and still come out ahead LOL
21:32.35BagginswwBut I preordered in two places to be on the safe side
21:32.56Bagginswwonly problem is with bestbuy its a first come first serve
21:33.02Tuqui-tuquihttp://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=burning+crusade
21:33.17BagginswwLOL
21:33.26BagginswwI'd pay 160
21:33.35Bagginswwnot any higher than that
21:33.38amroBagginsww: surprisingly, one bestbuy had shelves full of CEs on 2nd day of release
21:33.52Bagginswwfor the first edition?
21:33.52Teomyrcrazy
21:33.59amroyeah
21:34.03amroi meant a shelf
21:34.04Bagginswwya it was similar hear
21:34.07BagginswwI think it lasted a week
21:34.15Bagginswwonly problem is the game is now uber popular
21:34.18Tuqui-tuquiI want the mousepad -.-
21:34.33amroBagginsww: that also means they'll have more copies in stock
21:34.36Bagginswwpeople didn't preorder the first game as much.
21:34.57Bagginswwwell if this one is as limited as the first one
21:35.00Bagginsww10,000 copies
21:35.01Bagginswwor so
21:35.03Bagginswwit could be an issue
21:35.22BagginswwI know that you can buy up to 5 LOL
21:35.25Bagginswwat bestbuy
21:35.42Bagginswwcould make a pretty profit off that
21:36.18amrothat's why they get sold out so fast
21:36.21amromost people by at least 2
21:36.39Bagginswwya buy 2 and they are assure to get their money back
21:37.08Bagginswwthat's mostly what I want to do it for
21:37.16Bagginswwso its like I didn't pay for one
21:37.42Bagginswwand there is a chance that you could get a rare card
21:37.50Bagginswwthose sell for like $300 too LOL
21:38.00nemppu\o7
21:38.05Bagginswwya the turtle
21:38.07Bagginswwmount
21:38.17Bagginswwnot sure about the hyppocgryph pet
21:38.38BagginswwI wouldn't pay $300 for a card :p
21:39.19Bagginswwahh I see its getting lower now on ebay
21:39.24Bagginswwonly about 105 now LOL
21:40.17Tuqui-tuquiwait a sec
21:40.19Tuqui-tuquiye!
21:40.27Tuqui-tuquiI remember seeing a guy riding a turtle
21:40.31Tuqui-tuquihow you get that :D
21:40.53Bagginswwits from a card
21:40.57Bagginswwfrom the tcg
21:41.01Bagginswwsaltwater snapjaw
21:41.05Bagginswwor something like that
21:41.10Bagginswwone of the three loot cards
21:41.18Bagginswwthe other being some kind of tabard
21:41.28Bagginswwand a hyppogryph pet
21:41.44BagginswwI won't invest i the TCG though :p
21:41.56Bagginswwtoo expensive and I'd never use it
21:42.08amrothey need to make a warcraft RTS instead of that crap
21:42.12Bagginswwand while I might luck out and sell some rare cards, its too much work :p
21:42.18amrobut of course they're making too much money from wow to care
21:42.23BagginswwSTarcraft RTS first please
21:42.26jrramro: they have one =]
21:42.42BagginswwWarcraft III actually still has a life :p
21:42.43amrothey have 3
21:43.01nemppuvery much yes
21:43.02Bagginswwthey might as well make a new expansion for it LOL
21:43.04BagginswwI'd buy it
21:43.04nemppuwarcraft III ftw!! ^^
21:43.13amroyeah Bagginsww
21:43.14nempputhey wont
21:43.14Bagginswwand the graphics are still good
21:43.21Bagginswwwe know they wont
21:43.25Bagginswwbut that wasn't my point
21:43.30nemppuyep
21:43.32nemppubut
21:43.44nemppuit has a well established pro player base and ladders tournaments etc
21:43.54Bagginswwthey still occasionally release new MP maps for it but still :P
21:44.14nemppuwc3 still has some imbalancies
21:44.18Bagginswwya
21:44.19nemppubut i quite fancy the way starcraft is
21:44.32nemppuit hasnt been updated in ages because it does not need any updates :b
21:44.35nemppuits like chess
21:44.37jrrwith an idle worker button, sc would be near perfect
21:44.40nemppuyou dont update chess, its fine
21:44.51BagginswwThe only thing I didn't like about WArcraft III was the lack of ship to ship battle from warcraft II. The expansion added in some of that, but it wasn't the same.
21:44.53amrochess would rock if it had ICBM silos
21:45.05nemppuXD
21:45.11BagginswwACtually chess has been "updated" alot
21:45.16Bagginswwthere are like 100 variations
21:45.32Bagginswwone of the coolest versions, Ragnarok, LOL
21:45.33nemppustarcraft mods?
21:45.40Bagginswwkind of a king of hte hill style games
21:45.49nemppuequivalent to chess "updates" that is
21:45.52Bagginswwor knightmare chess heh
21:45.57Bagginswwplay with cards
21:45.59jrrbattle chess ftw
21:46.09Bagginswwya that added animation to the battles ,:)
21:46.11nemppuanyway ofcourse chess can be ~*updated*~ but the official chess wont change
21:46.19jrrofficial?
21:46.22Bagginswwthere is no such thing as "official" chess
21:46.23nemppuohh i think i remember that game :}
21:46.26nemppu>.<
21:46.27AdysReduces the threat you generate by ${70-2*70ax(0,$PL-60)}% for 20 seconds.
21:46.27jrras maintained by the offical chess league?
21:46.28Adyssigh
21:46.29nemppumraaaaaaaaar
21:46.33nemppuyoure missing my point
21:46.35Bagginswwchess has centuries year old
21:46.40nemppu!!!11111 ;____;
21:46.44Bagginswwdifferent cultures had different "ofificla chess"
21:46.54nemppulrgkalkarlk
21:47.03Bagginswwbut you mean the particular verison they chose for "chess tournaments" ;)
21:47.07nemppuyes.
21:47.12nemppu-.-
21:47.12nemppu._.
21:47.15nemppu:'(
21:47.27Bagginswwsorry anthropologist here, just don't like being ethnocentric heh heh
21:47.31amrojrr: ChessMaster should have a battlechess mode
21:47.57BagginswwI have one variation that 4 people can play
21:47.58nemppuwell you knew what i meant all along, just being a smartass :b
21:48.25Bagginswweven in tournament chess they sometimes play with handicaps though
21:48.33Bagginswwdisabling certain rules
21:48.49Bagginswwor forcing limits to turns.
21:48.52Tuqui-tuquiI want 3D chess with aerial units :D
21:48.54Tuqui-tuquiand lasers!
21:48.57Bagginswwooh
21:49.03Bagginswwstar wars chess?
21:49.09Tuqui-tuquinonono
21:49.11nemppulasers! pew pew
21:49.12Bagginswwthat had xwings and tie fighters
21:49.18Bagginswwand they shot lasers at the other pieces
21:49.24Tuqui-tuquiit would be chess with the regular set but with aerial units too
21:49.28Tuqui-tuquiforget the laser
21:49.34nemppulasers!!
21:49.38nemppupew pewww~
21:49.39BagginswwHmm Crimson Skies chess
21:49.41amroplay a scifi rts
21:49.43Bagginswwthat might be cool
21:50.33amrookay now empire earth music and sfx are playing in my head, thanks
21:50.46Bagginswwthere are so many different chess board styles though I wouldn't be surprised if someone did a scifi themed set
21:51.07Bagginswwwith fighters
21:51.14BagginswwI know I've seen a ww2 style one
21:51.21Bagginswwhad boats and fighters as I recall
21:51.35amroi no longer have the patience for chess
21:51.58BagginswwI usually play it knightmare style
21:52.01Bagginswwgoes quicker
21:52.05amroim too lazy to think ahead more than a move
21:52.06Bagginswwand you never know what will happen
21:52.35Bagginswwin Knightmare chess you can't really think ahead cause somone coudl play a card that might cancel out your move
21:52.48amroknightmare chess?
21:53.01Bagginswwya its a card game based on a french chess varient
21:53.06Bagginswwstorm on the chess board
21:53.08amrooh
21:53.25amroi can't buy stuff like that, i'd lose half the cards
21:53.30amromy chess set is missing a piece
21:53.34Bagginswwhttp://www.sjgames.com/knightmare/
21:53.54BagginswwI need to buy a new copy of my set though I lost a few cards
21:54.36BagginswwI had to remove a few cards form play for the game to work on 4 player varient board though. That was intense game
21:55.04Bagginswwjust some cards had rules that would only really work on a 2 player style board
21:55.53amrolooks good
21:57.34Bagginswwhttp://www.sjgames.com/knightmare/multiplayer.html hmm looks like they released some official ideas for 4 player varients
21:57.40Bagginswwhave to try those out in the future
21:58.08Bagginswwthe only one that was really confusing was the one that wraps the edges of the board as if they were connected around a glob
21:58.15Bagginswwand the one taht you had to turn the board counter clockwise
21:58.23Tuqui-tuqui-.-
21:58.29Bagginswwvery hard to tell how much to turn it when the board was 4 sided :p
21:59.07Bagginswwthere are even a few get out of checkmate cards LOL
21:59.21Bagginswwso checkmate isn't necessarily the end of the game
21:59.41BagginswwIf anything the game reminds me of playing sorry on a chess board.
22:00.46amrois there an IWIN card?
22:00.51BagginswwLOL
22:01.06BagginswwI have some blank cards in which I could make my own card
22:01.09Bagginswwthat's a good idea LOL
22:01.29amrolabel it summon felhunter =P
22:01.34BagginswwLOL
22:01.52Bagginswwooh warcraft chess with a knightmare based gameplay
22:02.07BagginswwThat could be fun
22:04.17Bagginswwhttp://www.sjgames.com/tilechess/ been wanting to find a copy of that
22:04.24nempputhere's a mod for WoW
22:04.37nemppuchess with wc2 pictures
22:04.46nemppuits the ultimate slacking addon for molten core
22:04.47nemppuXD
22:04.51Bagginswwsteve jackson made a varient rules to work with their card game
22:04.55BagginswwLOL
22:05.13Bagginswwya the ingame minigame mods are pretty cool
22:05.13amroultimate hunter addon*
22:06.23nempputhat, too!
22:06.28nemppubut hunters are all bunch of slackers anyway
22:08.24amrowell i guess its not as bad as grinding with a pally
22:08.55amrobest thread ever: "Best reason to play a paladin"
22:08.58amro(which is tab out to watch porn while you kill a mob)
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22:11.57nemppupossible with a hunter, too!
22:12.06nemppuas is molten core and a movie!
22:13.25amrothat's why blizz added things like firebombs with jeklik and sand traps with kuri
22:14.09nemppu:\
22:16.20TepetkhetGotta go soon.
22:16.22TepetkhetLater.
22:16.24BagginswwI tab out and edit wowwiki LOL
22:18.13Tuqui-tuqui40 more minutes til I go home...
22:20.30Tuqui-tuquiwtf?
22:20.35Tuqui-tuqui1 minute passed
22:23.37Teomyromgwtf
22:32.40Tuqui-tuqui¡oooW
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22:39.30MoosemoralsHi
22:39.37Gryphenheya
22:39.55MoosemoralsI'm writing scripts, and I'd like to get the information that comes up when I mouse over a NPC
22:40.31MoosemoralsI can use 'UnitFactionGroup' to get alliance/horde, but is there function to give more detail than that?
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22:44.24MoosemoralsOk, it looks like 'UnitReaction' is what I'm looking for
22:44.28MoosemoralsThanks anyway
22:51.26KirkburnHullo
22:51.35KirkburnMoosemorals, go to 'wowi-lounge
22:51.42Moosemoralsthanks
22:51.49Kirkburn#wowi-lounge, even :)
22:51.57Kirkburnnp
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22:52.28KirkburnPerhaps I should add it to the channel info...
22:52.58HobinheimACE!
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22:53.49KirkburnThe Ace channel is mostly for Ace questions, kay?
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23:06.23CyberGrimHello Everyone
23:07.40HobinheimHello CyberGrim
23:11.58Cairennthe folks in the lounge will direct people to "mod"-specific channels if appropriate, no worries :)
23:12.32KirkburnCairenn, exactly :D
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23:38.56foxlit"Your fate is sealed, Azeroth! I will find the Aspect Shards, and then you will not stand against our might!"
23:38.59foxlitAspect Shards?
23:48.28kuinkalalol :DDD
23:48.51kuinkalaKruul in EPL, Burning Blade EU. killed all :p
23:49.09kuinkalai was farming AD rep, and i didnt see him coming :E
23:58.00Zeallo all
23:58.20foxlitHey Zeal
23:58.29foxlitKnow what Aspect Shards are? :)
23:58.52KirkburnTook a while, but I've TOC'd my CF website :)
23:59.01Zealassuming they have something to do with hunter or dragon aspects and are scales/gems :s
23:59.20foxlitKruul shouting something about seal fate and stuff.
23:59.32foxlit"I will find the Aspect Shards, and then you will not stand against our might!"
23:59.54foxlitMeh, should've been "sealed". I'm losing endings, bad sign.

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