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| 01:13.14 | Orclev | Hi, I'm trying to work on a new AddOn, and I'm trying to find some good references. Most of the info on the various wikis/forums seems to be out of date, or dosn't help with the problems I'm seeing (for instance I was following a post that said to join #wowi-lounge on this server) |
| 01:13.57 | Fin | hello! |
| 01:13.57 | Kirkburn|afk | What's wrong with #wowi-lounge? |
| 01:14.10 | Orclev | eh, nvmd, for some reason my client didn't list #wowi-lounge in the channel list |
| 01:14.17 | Orclev | sorry to bother everyone |
| 01:14.20 | Fin | #wowi-lounge is that way ---> |
| 01:14.21 | Fin | but hey! |
| 01:14.23 | Fin | stay anyway! |
| 01:14.26 | Fin | this place is rockin' |
| 01:14.38 | Kirkburn|afk | mmm |
| 01:14.43 | Fin | it's where all the cool guys hang out |
| 01:14.54 | Fin | no, really, it is, right guys? yeah! |
| 01:15.12 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 01:17.14 | Orclev | wowi-lounge is either dead, or everybody is ignoring me it seems |
| 01:17.56 | Orclev | probably all afk, I know when I used to hang in #perl I spent alot of time afk |
| 01:18.53 | Orclev | anyone mind if I ask my question in here? |
| 01:19.17 | Fin | you just did |
| 01:19.32 | Orclev | heh, no, my AddOn question |
| 01:19.37 | Fin | oh, sure |
| 01:20.04 | Orclev | actually, I just got a response in wowi-lounge |
| 01:20.08 | Fin | you might have better luck in #wowace, but you're also just as likely to get ignored if noone knows or can be bothered to tell you the answer |
| 01:20.12 | Fin | oh hey, I'm curious now |
| 01:21.16 | Fin | sylvanaar: I'm using AddonMessages at the moment :) that's why I asked about the renaming the variable thing earlier - because all through the file variables like Prat_AddonMsgs.varName = 'val' or whatever |
| 01:21.16 | Fin | bugger! |
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| 01:23.03 | Fin | some days mistells make up more than 50% of my entire IRC logs |
| 01:23.07 | Bagginsww | woohoo, 3rd college I applied has also accepted me |
| 01:23.24 | Bagginsww | and is offering me about 7300 dollar scholarship |
| 01:23.29 | Bagginsww | per year |
| 01:23.39 | Fin | nift on a stick! |
| 01:23.42 | Fin | grats |
| 01:23.43 | Bagginsww | University of Hawaii in Manoa Honollu |
| 01:24.00 | Bagginsww | so hawaii here I come |
| 01:24.05 | Fin | ooh, you're going to live in Hawaii? |
| 01:24.08 | Fin | huh |
| 01:24.27 | Fin | well it's a good thing I don't get jealous easily because otherwise I might be INCREDIBLY ENVIOUS right now |
| 01:24.32 | Fin | and I'm not |
| 01:24.38 | Fin | not one bit |
| 01:24.38 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 01:26.02 | Fin | OK I've just realised something about the code and it's confusing me aaarg aaaarg my brain hurts make it stop ow |
| 01:26.08 | Fin | see! there I go again |
| 01:26.20 | Fin | -5 points to Fin, again |
| 01:27.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Fin, I shall await the day you type your password in here ;) |
| 01:28.22 | Kirkburn|afk | /ns identify babel69 |
| 01:28.37 | Fin | that's if you realise! I might be the kind of person who uses simple words as passwords |
| 01:28.48 | Fin | you might just think I'm being odd |
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| 01:29.05 | Adys | Hi kirkburn |
| 01:29.10 | Adys | :P |
| 01:29.29 | Kirkburn | hullo |
| 01:29.45 | Fin | cucumber |
| 01:30.00 | Kirkburn | orangutang |
| 01:32.54 | Kirkburn | Btw current lag - my fault |
| 01:33.18 | Kirkburn | Done now |
| 01:33.29 | Fin | stats or something? |
| 01:33.42 | Kirkburn | PC Template |
| 01:43.32 | Orclev | if I have an array of strings, is there a simple way to check to see if a given string already exists in the array, or do I need to iterate it looking for the string? |
| 01:46.01 | foxlit | You'd have to iterate. |
| 01:46.09 | Fin | if you can make it so the strings are all keys of the table (with values of "1" or whatever), yes |
| 01:46.11 | foxlit | You could construct your array as a hashtable. |
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| 01:46.27 | Fin | that's a better way of saying it |
| 01:46.43 | Orclev | hmm... somthing like Array[string] = {string}? |
| 01:47.12 | foxlit | local table = {}; table[string] = true; if (table[string]) then -- table contains string. end |
| 01:47.33 | Orclev | hmm... I like that, that's very elegant |
| 01:47.53 | foxlit | Don't put that on one line, though, since -- eats end. |
| 01:48.03 | Fin | very *foxy* |
| 01:48.09 | Orclev | hehe |
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| 01:59.28 | Bagginsww | So I did the math |
| 01:59.42 | Kirkburn | \o/ |
| 01:59.49 | Bagginsww | turns out tuition after scholarships at Univ of Montana is would be $12,500 |
| 02:00.23 | Fin | well |
| 02:00.24 | Bagginsww | whereas tuition at Hawaii at honolulu is going to be $7700 |
| 02:00.26 | Fin | I mean |
| 02:00.30 | Fin | how much money do you have? |
| 02:00.45 | Bagginsww | going to have to take grants most likely :p |
| 02:01.04 | Bagginsww | but hawaii was my primary local, I wanted to go, its going to be cheaper, so :) |
| 02:01.07 | Fin | fuck dude, it's Hawaii! at least if you flunk it you can hang out on the beach |
| 02:01.12 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 02:01.22 | Bagginsww | and I want to learn how to Scuba |
| 02:01.26 | Bagginsww | can't do that on a mountain |
| 02:03.49 | Orclev | do changes to the toc get picked up when you use /console reloadui, or do I need to restart WoW for that? |
| 02:04.32 | Fin | I bet you could find out before someone who knows the answer gets round to telling you |
| 02:04.50 | foxlit | It's a bit tricky |
| 02:04.58 | Orclev | it dosn't seem to it looks like, but I can't be sure |
| 02:05.01 | foxlit | If you're only updating the files already loaded by WoW, you can get away with a reload. |
| 02:05.11 | foxlit | If you're trying to get it to load new files, it won't until you restart WoW. |
| 02:05.32 | Orclev | I'm making changes to the SavedVariables option on a already loaded AddOn |
| 02:05.51 | Fin | you know what I wish Blizzard would do, is add a WriteSavedVariablesToDisk() function |
| 02:05.54 | foxlit | Uh, not sure. |
| 02:06.06 | Orclev | that would be nice |
| 02:06.08 | Fin | yeah, that works Orclev |
| 02:06.20 | foxlit | That breaks the disk sandbox :/ |
| 02:06.32 | foxlit | In a way, you already have ReloadUI() |
| 02:06.38 | Fin | maybe it's changed? I know I've done it loads of times before though |
| 02:07.00 | Orclev | not really, In a sandboxed app it's valid to call a method that peforms a non-sandboxed action so long as the calling code has no control over the called code |
| 02:07.15 | Fin | can't Blizzard make a secure function that lets you do that? |
| 02:07.20 | Fin | yeah |
| 02:07.21 | Fin | that |
| 02:07.27 | foxlit | I'm referring more to the fact that you can't get information out of the game while you're playing. |
| 02:07.46 | Orclev | hmm, interesting point I hadn't thought of |
| 02:07.52 | Fin | I don't quite understand how that can be abused, though |
| 02:07.56 | Orclev | I do |
| 02:08.02 | Fin | could you explain, please? |
| 02:08.29 | Fin | I can instinctively see that you'd want to lock that sort of thing down, but I can't actually think of how it could really be bad |
| 02:08.59 | Fin | "instinctively", whatever, I mean, it seems like the sort of thing that would be restricted |
| 02:09.17 | Orclev | it's not bad because it's still a one way flow of info. It would be bad if they added a ReadSavedVariablesFromDisk method to accompany it |
| 02:09.37 | Fin | it's the getting information *in* that I would've thought they'd be worried about - and I know that that's possible with a reload |
| 02:09.43 | Fin | yeah, that's what I meant |
| 02:10.10 | foxlit | There's a certain level of complexity that is involved in getting it _out_; sending keystrokes in is relatively easy. |
| 02:10.14 | Orclev | hmm, you'd have to be pretty slick to manage to modify the saved variables during the brief pause between them getting dumped, and re-read on reload |
| 02:10.40 | Fin | er |
| 02:10.40 | Orclev | ah, I see where you're coming from foxlit |
| 02:11.16 | Fin | heh, I still find it hilarious that they let people use URLs in MP3 paths |
| 02:11.38 | foxlit | That's just FMOD sort of doing its own thing |
| 02:11.45 | Orclev | you could still always just capture and decode the data stream coming down the line of course, but I imagine that's pretty heavily obfuscated |
| 02:12.02 | foxlit | Plus you'd be breaking ToU :) |
| 02:12.23 | Orclev | well, by the point your sending keystrokes in, you're probably already breaking the ToU |
| 02:12.26 | Fin | well, you can edit something in the game, save it to a variable, and reload, then edit the savedvariable.lua file and reload again, and you'll get the data back in the game |
| 02:12.39 | Orclev | nope |
| 02:12.40 | Fin | it doesn't seem that difficult? I'm probably missing something though, I always do |
| 02:12.49 | Orclev | on reload it dumps the current value overwriting the old one |
| 02:12.54 | Fin | right |
| 02:13.02 | foxlit | You could still do it |
| 02:13.09 | foxlit | You'd just have to change addon code rather than SVs. |
| 02:13.11 | Orclev | that's why I said you'd have to edit it in between the dump and read |
| 02:13.51 | Orclev | hmm... read the dumped variable and write the input value to the addon code? |
| 02:13.57 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 02:14.19 | foxlit | Two reload cycles, but you can do that. It pretty much bars you from responding for 10s, though |
| 02:14.36 | Fin | hang on |
| 02:14.39 | foxlit | Personally, I dislike the disk sandbox, but removing it would make botting all too trivial. |
| 02:15.06 | Fin | I'm *certain* I used to do exactly what you say isn't possible |
| 02:15.14 | Orclev | would be nice to be able to get some data in from the network as well, but that's a really big can of worms |
| 02:15.21 | Fin | it was with the GetDKP addon |
| 02:15.42 | Fin | I was running it for my guild, and rather than quit the game and restart, I just downloaded a new sv.lua file and reloaded |
| 02:15.47 | Fin | anyway |
| 02:15.54 | foxlit | Quit the game. |
| 02:15.58 | foxlit | That's the keyword :) |
| 02:16.06 | Fin | I bet if you made the sv.lua file read only it would work :) |
| 02:16.08 | foxlit | ow, nevermind :) |
| 02:16.19 | Fin | yeh but I *didn't* quit the game... |
| 02:16.22 | Fin | oh, heh |
| 02:16.39 | foxlit | I believe GetDKP works by overwriting a file in Interface\Addons\ rather than doing anything to savedvariables :) |
| 02:16.51 | Fin | ah, maybe you're right actually |
| 02:16.53 | Fin | that would make sense |
| 02:17.03 | Fin | it was ages ago |
| 02:17.11 | Fin | over a year |
| 02:17.19 | Fin | yeah that would make sense |
| 02:17.45 | Fin | I reckon the read-only thing would work too though :) or maybe just cause lots of horrible errors |
| 02:17.51 | Orclev | hey, if I have a nested variable, something like Hash.Map, can I use Hash.Map as my SavedVariables value and get that dumped, or does it have to be a top level variable? |
| 02:18.11 | Orclev | probably die with some sort of error about not being able to write to disk |
| 02:19.21 | Fin | so... if all you have to do is update a .lua file in a different place, it doesn't seem like such a huge hurdle to get round..? |
| 02:19.46 | Fin | I suppose it's just hurdles and stuff |
| 02:19.49 | Orclev | the big hurdle is really the reload times on the UI |
| 02:20.08 | Orclev | but yeah, any obstacle is surmountable given enough time and resources |
| 02:20.24 | Fin | man, I tried reloading without any addons installed the other day, it was fucking quick after one or two |
| 02:20.35 | Orclev | that's why they say security is not a boolean, it's a scalar. There is no "Secure", there is only more and less secure |
| 02:20.39 | Bagginsww | nice template work, kirkburn. |
| 02:20.51 | Fin | people are probably already abusing this somewhere |
| 02:21.23 | Orclev | probably, but it does it's job by keeping from being widespread, and handicaping what people can actually do with it |
| 02:22.50 | Kirkburn | Thanks |
| 02:22.58 | Kirkburn | I'm dreading doing the {{guild}} one |
| 02:23.39 | Fin | sylvanaar: would you mind looking over this module template, please? |
| 02:23.42 | Fin | cock! |
| 02:23.43 | Fin | godammit! |
| 02:23.44 | Fin | arrrrg! |
| 02:23.48 | Kirkburn | L.O.L. |
| 02:24.05 | Fin | I... I don't know what to do |
| 02:24.16 | Fin | the obvious solution would be to cut it down to one channel |
| 02:24.17 | Kirkburn | Be less stoopid? ;) |
| 02:24.20 | Kirkburn | Noo! |
| 02:24.23 | Fin | but I don't wanna! |
| 02:24.47 | Fin | I'm reaching the point where I don't think I'm going to be less stupid however much I try |
| 02:26.47 | Fin | at least there's beer |
| 02:27.07 | Kirkburn | Okay, incoming lag, everyone |
| 02:27.48 | Kirkburn | The server will now wish to destroy me |
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| 02:32.16 | adam | Yay! Stuff! |
| 02:32.49 | Kirkburn | omg stuff |
| 02:33.19 | Kirkburn | omg wiki lag burst my fault haha |
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| 02:44.00 | Kirkburn | We just hit 22,000 articles |
| 02:47.03 | adam | any of you playing right now? |
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| 02:50.38 | Kirkburn | Grr, firefix messed with my default settings :/ |
| 02:50.46 | Adys | firefix? |
| 02:50.56 | Kirkburn | um... yeah |
| 02:51.02 | Adys | oO |
| 02:51.18 | Kirkburn | *firefox |
| 02:54.46 | Orclev | how do you iterate over the keys in a hashtable? |
| 02:56.23 | Orclev | nevermind, found it in the lua docs... they buried it deep enough though |
| 02:57.34 | Fin | the docs aren't so bad really, use the search on lua-users.org and you can generally find stuff fairly quickly |
| 02:58.20 | Fin | room for improvement though, sure :) but they're not that bad |
| 03:04.58 | Kirkburn | Does this make sense to others: I wish to move the "News" page to "Warcraft News" to differentiate it from the WoWWiki:News |
| 03:05.45 | Fin | I know you're not asking me, but yes, perfect sense |
| 03:06.03 | Kirkburn | Well, I'm asking anyone :) |
| 03:06.31 | Adys | makes sense yea |
| 03:06.36 | Kirkburn | Done =) |
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| 03:09.34 | Zoshu | Raptor Jesus |
| 03:14.31 | Kirkburn | Okay, we need to get people submitting news to the Warcraft News page now |
| 03:15.52 | Kirkburn | I think we've got a child playing on the wiki atm |
| 03:16.00 | Kirkburn | 'Thewitness' |
| 03:17.02 | Kirkburn | Apparently he's "waching south park right now and its pretty funny....lol!My site.....link titlei have 6 very very importantrules!stay in school dont do drugs!! |
| 03:17.30 | Kirkburn | I fear he may have ignored the last part ... |
| 03:18.13 | Fin | heheheh |
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| 03:40.04 | Norlando | hello everyone |
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| 03:40.08 | Kirkburn | *hullo |
| 03:40.19 | Norlando | hows everyone doing? |
| 03:40.21 | Kirkburn | Minus the * :P |
| 03:40.44 | Kirkburn | I'm having fun editing stuff! :D :D :D .... |
| 03:41.58 | Norlando | he he same here |
| 03:42.09 | Norlando | editing my screen shots of kruul so they can fit on wowwiki |
| 03:42.25 | Kirkburn | cool |
| 03:42.36 | Norlando | horde or alliance? |
| 03:42.52 | Kirkburn | Who what where? |
| 03:43.12 | Norlando | are you in the horde or the alliance? |
| 03:43.23 | Kirkburn | Alliance primarily, I guess |
| 03:43.56 | Norlando | oh i see what your saying, i ment which do you prefer |
| 03:48.49 | Norlando | 550 screen shots to go through, so far (im at 286) only 7 are good |
| 03:52.02 | Kirkburn | Either are good! :) |
| 03:52.22 | Kirkburn | You could use the gallery markup |
| 03:52.33 | Norlando | i dont understand why he cant stand still and make a pose so i can see his face |
| 03:52.40 | Norlando | dumb demons |
| 03:52.47 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 03:52.54 | Norlando | i have one of his face but he looks constipated |
| 03:53.59 | Norlando | you think that someone who tracks kruul down is crazy? |
| 03:55.41 | Kirkburn | no :) Very useful, in fact |
| 03:56.12 | Norlando | i've been doing my best to follow him since booty bay 2 nights ago...i was the first one down in iron forge lol |
| 03:56.35 | Norlando | hes hard to follow since he just ports when ever he wants |
| 03:56.49 | Norlando | so i use the term follow loosly |
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| 03:58.04 | Norlando | is there a place i could pin up the pictures of the dead bodies or would i have to make a new article like "aftermath of kruul at ironfroge" |
| 04:01.37 | Kirkburn | Hmm, yes, that would be better on another article |
| 04:02.19 | Norlando | its kind of upsetting..my screen shots from booty bay and epl are so blurry and dark..the only good pics are from ironforge(and most of them) |
| 04:03.22 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 04:03.39 | Norlando | question: is it ok if i leave players names in the shots? |
| 04:03.45 | Norlando | or is it against the rules |
| 04:03.55 | Adys | rather not have them tbh |
| 04:04.04 | Adys | unless its server or player specific screenshots |
| 04:04.16 | Kirkburn | If it's on an 'aftermath' article, fine |
| 04:04.22 | Norlando | well it is somewhat server specific |
| 04:04.24 | Adys | theres no rule against it but i wouldnt recommend it |
| 04:04.39 | Kirkburn | But not on a character page :) |
| 04:04.46 | Adys | if it concerns a specific server (like a down, or something) its np |
| 04:05.04 | Adys | but if its to put on the page Highlord Kruul wouldnt say yes imo |
| 04:05.04 | Kirkburn | Indeedely |
| 04:05.14 | Norlando | its players battling krull and getting pwned |
| 04:05.28 | Kirkburn | Basically the difference is between recording an event and recording the character |
| 04:05.40 | Norlando | ah ok i got it then |
| 04:05.42 | Adys | Norlando, which page do you want to put it on? |
| 04:06.01 | Kirkburn | A new one, I think |
| 04:06.20 | Norlando | im putting a picture of kruul on the kruul article and im making a new one |
| 04:06.40 | Kirkburn | Wunderbar! :) |
| 04:07.02 | Norlando | ah sprechst du Deutsch? |
| 04:07.11 | Adys | thats Hobinheim |
| 04:07.35 | Adys | http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-8956849570123847010 |
| 04:07.37 | Norlando | im actually looking at going to a college in germany |
| 04:07.40 | Adys | watch it entirely :) |
| 04:07.44 | Adys | its awesome |
| 04:08.01 | Kirkburn | I can speak italian french german and latin :P Sort of ... |
| 04:08.24 | Adys | you can speak french? |
| 04:08.28 | Norlando | i can speek english and german lol |
| 04:08.35 | Adys | damn... look at the kind of ppl we got speaking our language now! |
| 04:09.04 | Norlando | speak* |
| 04:09.15 | Kirkburn | It does surprise me to see that on google.it |
| 04:09.21 | Kirkburn | uh |
| 04:09.24 | Kirkburn | ^ not |
| 04:09.30 | Norlando | are both of you from germany? |
| 04:09.45 | Kirkburn | England |
| 04:09.50 | Kirkburn | And Adys is french :P |
| 04:10.06 | Adys | yeah keep insulting me |
| 04:10.32 | Norlando | speaking of germans and england, my favorite episode of fawlty towers is on, brb in 20 min |
| 04:11.09 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 04:14.56 | Fin | aw, Adys |
| 04:15.02 | Adys | mm? |
| 04:15.10 | Fin | I hope you know that I have absolutely nothing against the French *really* |
| 04:15.21 | Fin | I can pick on the Welsh instead if you like |
| 04:15.23 | Adys | haha no :) |
| 04:15.35 | Adys | I just hate french servers and community in general |
| 04:15.37 | Fin | I mean, they're ginger, a lot of them |
| 04:17.05 | Fin | oh, well, good good, I just wanted you to know that while you ARE French, I don't consider it in *any* way your fault and I think it's just *great* that you're learning to just get on with your life in as normal a way as you are able |
| 04:17.16 | Fin | :P |
| 04:17.23 | Adys | fin |
| 04:17.31 | Adys | im gonna kill you tomorrow when you're sober |
| 04:17.59 | Fin | night night! |
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| 04:22.33 | Norlando | back |
| 04:26.20 | Norlando | i see i missed alot :-p |
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| 04:29.21 | Adys | Fin! |
| 04:29.34 | Adys | ts :) |
| 04:29.51 | Norlando | who owns wowwiki? |
| 04:30.03 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Rustak |
| 04:30.12 | Norlando | does he ever pop in here |
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| 04:30.15 | Adys | aka vlad_ |
| 04:30.20 | Norlando | ah |
| 04:31.29 | Kirkburn | Woo, took a while, but I downloaded my copy of WoW 2.0.0 :) |
| 04:31.56 | Norlando | didnt that come out like 2 days ago as a manditory update |
| 04:32.14 | Kirkburn | Ah, no, this is the entire 2.0.0 installer |
| 04:32.40 | Norlando | ah |
| 04:32.53 | Norlando | that came out a long while ago didnt it? |
| 04:33.15 | Kirkburn | 2.0.0? Not really, december or so |
| 04:33.39 | Norlando | well im fairly new so you'll have to excuse my dumb questions |
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| 04:33.44 | Kirkburn | np :P |
| 04:33.47 | Adys | np:p |
| 04:34.09 | Kirkburn | copycopycatcat |
| 04:34.40 | Norlando | 500 screen shots from ironforge, only 12 are salvagable, 5 are good |
| 04:37.24 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 04:37.34 | Kirkburn | That must have been a massive screenshots directory |
| 04:38.17 | Norlando | lol yeah |
| 04:38.32 | Norlando | i had 20 from booty bay and epl combined, and none of them were good |
| 04:38.37 | Norlando | or even salvagable |
| 04:40.04 | Norlando | http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/frozensoulx/?action=view¤t=WoWScrnShot_011207_215113.jpg |
| 04:40.09 | Norlando | what do you think of that one? |
| 04:40.25 | Norlando | wait |
| 04:40.29 | Norlando | you probably cant view it |
| 04:40.41 | Norlando | http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/frozensoulx/WoWScrnShot_011207_215113.jpg |
| 04:43.01 | Kirkburn | Where has the "picture taken by" bit come from? |
| 04:43.25 | Norlando | i added that, why? |
| 04:44.29 | Kirkburn | We-ell, cause it's not really in the spirit of the wiki. By all means on the comments section for the picture, and maybe even on the page itself, but not on the picture |
| 04:45.09 | Kirkburn | Once you submit a picture to the wiki, you give up all rights to it, you see - so it makes little sense to 'watermark' it |
| 04:45.13 | Norlando | oh sorry i didnt know |
| 04:45.22 | Kirkburn | Nah, it's okay! :) |
| 04:45.29 | Norlando | i did it with all the pictures i currently had but i wont do it again |
| 04:45.36 | Kirkburn | You live and learn :D |
| 04:45.37 | Norlando | hmm i did something wrong by the way |
| 04:46.08 | Norlando | i tried to put the link where it said image where the former little text image had been but it just comes out as a link |
| 04:46.31 | Norlando | nevermind i see what i did wrong |
| 04:47.13 | Kirkburn | You can't link off-wiki, no |
| 04:48.46 | Norlando | i did something wrong |
| 04:50.08 | Norlando | nevermind i can fix it |
| 04:50.13 | Norlando | i accidentally deleted something |
| 04:51.25 | Kirkburn | (yay for wiki slowness!) |
| 04:51.32 | Norlando | lol |
| 04:51.38 | Adys | all fine here |
| 04:51.50 | Kirkburn | It's awful for me :/ |
| 04:52.41 | Kirkburn | Fine now |
| 04:53.12 | Norlando | ok help is definitly needed |
| 04:53.22 | Norlando | i tried to fix it |
| 04:53.36 | Norlando | but it broke again |
| 04:53.42 | Norlando | on the kruul page |
| 04:53.50 | Norlando | its missing the box and it added field that i didnt add |
| 04:55.17 | Kirkburn | I've sorted it I think |
| 04:55.17 | Norlando | can anyone produce a miracle |
| 04:55.22 | Norlando | thanks |
| 04:55.38 | Norlando | sort of but i can fix the rest i think |
| 04:56.02 | Kirkburn | Um, but the old picture was better |
| 04:56.14 | Norlando | old picture? |
| 04:56.36 | Kirkburn | The previous one - you could actually see him properly |
| 04:56.45 | Kirkburn | The one you added could be a secondary pic |
| 04:56.46 | Norlando | the one i showed you? |
| 04:56.55 | Norlando | i didnt see one before mine |
| 04:57.03 | Norlando | otherwise i wouldnt have touched it |
| 04:57.47 | Kirkburn | Like so |
| 04:59.51 | Norlando | why arent any pictures on articles working now? |
| 05:04.03 | Percephene | hey all, newish to wowwiki, mind if i ask a few quick questions? |
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| 05:05.11 | Kirkburn | Norlando, make sure you have www. |
| 05:05.16 | Kirkburn | Percephene, sure |
| 05:05.41 | Norlando | thanks kickburn |
| 05:05.56 | Kirkburn | It's an 'r'! :P |
| 05:06.40 | Norlando | can i call you kick for now on? |
| 05:06.59 | Norlando | my monitor makes it look like a c |
| 05:07.06 | Kirkburn | no? ^^ |
| 05:07.20 | Kirkburn | Are you still looking at the kruul article? |
| 05:07.27 | Norlando | yes why? |
| 05:07.33 | Kirkburn | k, wasn't sure :P |
| 05:08.49 | Norlando | i like mine better but thats probably because i took it lol |
| 05:09.28 | Percephene | ok sorry, in un'goro, not a good place to tab out :P |
| 05:10.01 | Percephene | well ive written an article on Kralnor, I know wowwiki has an article already (used it as a resource) but mine takes a more humorous POV |
| 05:10.28 | Percephene | i wanted to get a bit of feedback on what ppl think, and was wondering if there were any no-nos about uploading the images I had in it on a different wiki |
| 05:10.37 | Norlando | that image looks like kazzak not kruul |
| 05:11.20 | Norlando | yeah ki"r"k thats kazzak, compair noses |
| 05:11.30 | Norlando | compare* |
| 05:11.37 | Norlando | and oh percephene i like yours |
| 05:11.47 | Percephene | you've read it already? |
| 05:11.54 | Percephene | O_o |
| 05:11.55 | Norlando | more like skimmed |
| 05:12.01 | Percephene | hehe it *is* rather long |
| 05:12.49 | Norlando | you prefer horde? |
| 05:12.58 | Percephene | me? |
| 05:13.05 | Norlando | yeah |
| 05:13.21 | Percephene | erm nope, been playing alliance for about a yr and a half now, started as horde tho |
| 05:13.27 | Percephene | why do u ask? |
| 05:13.50 | Norlando | i was just noticing you were in horde territory from above |
| 05:14.35 | Percephene | un'goro? |
| 05:14.51 | Norlando | im new so if that isnt horde territory dont attack me lol |
| 05:15.16 | Percephene | lol i dont play on a pvp server so nfi really :D |
| 05:15.22 | Percephene | alliance have lots of quests there too |
| 05:15.29 | Percephene | sif attack :P i just wasnt sure what u meant |
| 05:15.34 | Norlando | i ment verbally lol |
| 05:15.59 | Percephene | yeah i wouldnt do that either :P |
| 05:16.54 | Percephene | im just not sure if the tone of my article has a place here :D i made it on Uncyclopedia and its hardly factual |
| 05:17.22 | Norlando | well you put it under silly |
| 05:17.25 | Kirkburn | What? That's not Kazzak |
| 05:17.47 | Norlando | kirk compare noses between that pic and my pic |
| 05:17.58 | Kirkburn | He's not wearing the same armour ... |
| 05:19.42 | Kirkburn | I also have no nose to compare with :P |
| 05:20.00 | Norlando | wrong pic, one sec let me show you on photobucket |
| 05:20.42 | Kirkburn | Percephene, how long is it? |
| 05:20.47 | Norlando | ah poo i cant find the pic, oh well forget it |
| 05:21.11 | Percephene | erm very long :D |
| 05:21.23 | Percephene | its under my user page if u want to check |
| 05:21.48 | Percephene | but i think the humour is in the length and i cant for the life of me shorten it |
| 05:22.36 | Percephene | are there guidelines on length? |
| 05:22.37 | Kirkburn | I would have it as a separate article, not sure what name though |
| 05:22.56 | Kirkburn | Then link it from Kralnor as a See Also, or something like that |
| 05:23.12 | Percephene | ah of course, i never meant it to replace the existing one |
| 05:23.20 | Percephene | its just an alternate viewpoint |
| 05:23.42 | Percephene | but do you think it would be appreciated? |
| 05:24.49 | Norlando | anyone play on windrunner? |
| 05:25.29 | Kirkburn | Percephene, I don't think it wouldn't not be appreciated? That help? :) |
| 05:25.58 | Percephene | wait a second /counts negatives on her fingers... |
| 05:26.01 | Kirkburn | Basically, I'm saying go ahead, it's well written :) |
| 05:26.12 | Percephene | oh phew! i thought u meant the opposite :P |
| 05:26.24 | Norlando | lol |
| 05:26.24 | Kirkburn | Yeah, er, I forgot a 'not' :P |
| 05:27.00 | Percephene | what would be the best way to credit another site which i borrowed some small sections from and rewrote and so on |
| 05:27.10 | Percephene | in keeping with the tone i mean |
| 05:27.19 | Percephene | oh and thanks Kirkburn, that means a lot :D *blush* |
| 05:27.30 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 05:28.13 | Norlando | do either of you play on windrunner |
| 05:28.48 | Percephene | nope |
| 05:29.12 | Percephene | so i should go ahead and make it an actual article rather than under my userspace? |
| 05:30.04 | Kirkburn | Norlando, nope sorry, and I assume you mean US? Remember this is an international channel (weirdly EU-centric in fact =) |
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| 05:30.29 | Kirkburn | Percephene, yeah |
| 05:30.38 | Percephene | o rly? im US but oceanic prefered server here |
| 05:30.44 | Percephene | erm let me reword that |
| 05:30.52 | Norlando | its ok we got it |
| 05:31.02 | Percephene | im on a US server but the Oceanic prefered tab |
| 05:31.10 | Kirkburn | Bloody europeans get everywhere ;) hehe |
| 05:31.17 | Percephene | no no, i had to clearly stipulate that im not in fact from the US |
| 05:31.19 | Percephene | :D |
| 05:31.22 | Norlando | there are alot of dutch on this one too though |
| 05:31.47 | Percephene | cool :D |
| 05:32.25 | Percephene | cool now i just need to upload all the pics =/ |
| 05:32.29 | Norlando | owned, i added my guild on the guild page without any errors that messed the entire site up |
| 05:32.40 | Kirkburn | I r downloading TBC :) |
| 05:32.42 | Norlando | or even the page |
| 05:33.15 | Percephene | downloading how?! |
| 05:33.29 | Kirkburn | Teh internets, o' course |
| 05:33.30 | Norlando | tbc? |
| 05:33.40 | Kirkburn | Yes, what's I'm downloading is TBC |
| 05:33.46 | Percephene | lol i meant how can u be downloading it? |
| 05:33.48 | Kirkburn | (I'm not sure what I'm downloading? :P |
| 05:33.56 | Norlando | whats tbc? |
| 05:34.05 | Kirkburn | It's to be confirmed |
| 05:34.11 | Kirkburn | >.< |
| 05:34.18 | Norlando | sorry :( |
| 05:34.26 | Kirkburn | I'm being very silly. The Burning Crusade! |
| 05:34.47 | Kirkburn | From a torrent |
| 05:35.03 | Norlando | is the burning crusade kind of replacing the origional |
| 05:35.07 | Kirkburn | Basically I want to be all set up for when my copy hopefully arrives |
| 05:35.07 | Percephene | =/ |
| 05:35.09 | Percephene | the burning crusade? |
| 05:35.11 | Percephene | the expansion pack :P |
| 05:35.12 | Percephene | only the only thing that i think about all day long with every BREATH |
| 05:35.13 | Norlando | if not, why are we being pwned |
| 05:35.44 | Percephene | wow im not sure id trust it kirkburn |
| 05:35.55 | Kirkburn | TBC is content in addition to the original game. If you don't upgrade, you merely don't get to go past 60, go to Outland or be a blood elf or draenei |
| 05:35.55 | Norlando | im tired of being attacked by the dur dur dur when i dont even get the pack for free |
| 05:35.58 | Percephene | its an expansion norlando :D the original will work just fine without it |
| 05:36.21 | Kirkburn | Everything else stays exactly the same |
| 05:36.32 | Percephene | it might be the beta client ur downloading, but they advise not to use that to connect to the normal servers |
| 05:36.46 | Kirkburn | Nope I think it's the real deal |
| 05:36.57 | Norlando | can tbc players interact with non tbc players |
| 05:37.01 | Percephene | hmm someone somewhere was norty |
| 05:37.05 | Percephene | of course norland :D |
| 05:37.10 | Percephene | sorry +o* |
| 05:37.31 | Percephene | i went and paid off my preorders today, 2 CE copies :D /squeee |
| 05:38.17 | Norlando | i did get a preorder for the collectors edition earlier today but i was thinking of canceling it |
| 05:38.17 | Kirkburn | See what I didn't think about was whether it's an enGB co[y |
| 05:38.19 | Kirkburn | *copy |
| 05:38.28 | Percephene | cancel?!?! blasphemy! |
| 05:38.37 | Percephene | but really, why would u want to cancel it? |
| 05:38.59 | Kirkburn | I ordered my collector's edition from the net, no idea whether it's coming or not :/ |
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| 05:39.11 | Norlando | i need the money |
| 05:39.15 | Percephene | i know my shop got 14 |
| 05:39.26 | Percephene | sell a kidney, u get two, u can cope with one :D |
| 05:39.32 | Norlando | preordering cost 50 bucks (so about 10 bucks extra) |
| 05:39.49 | Lodra | What are you talking about?(just got here) |
| 05:39.58 | Norlando | preordering TBC |
| 05:40.03 | Lodra | Ahh. |
| 05:40.27 | Lodra | I already have 25$ in stock for it but that wont be enough |
| 05:40.59 | Norlando | if i do get accepted to that college in germany i'll need all the money i can getr |
| 05:41.01 | Norlando | get* |
| 05:41.30 | Kirkburn | I may have to visit Bristol (UK) city centre quite early on tuesday if HMV cancel on me |
| 05:44.03 | Norlando | well i better go to bed, i need to get up early tommorow to do more "stuff" |
| 05:44.06 | Norlando | night everyone |
| 05:45.14 | Percephene | doh too late, nite Norlando if you're still here! |
| 05:45.29 | Norlando-sleep | its ok i caught it lol |
| 05:45.40 | Percephene | yay :D |
| 05:45.47 | Percephene | okies the pics are up now! |
| 05:45.54 | Percephene | time to find a name for this thing |
| 05:46.20 | Percephene | Kralnor (alternative) ? |
| 05:47.11 | Kirkburn | Has the work got an appropriate title? E.g. The Teachings of Kralnor? |
| 05:47.45 | Percephene | well no I want it to be about the whole Kralnor phenomenon |
| 05:48.07 | Kirkburn | The 'alt' one seems good then |
| 05:48.34 | Percephene | wonder how thats gonna work in the url |
| 05:52.14 | Percephene | gah how do u entirely delete and wipe a page out of existance if you stuffed up the url? |
| 05:54.31 | Lodra | *shrug* i just joined the WoWWiki a few days ago. |
| 05:56.12 | Kirkburn | You ask an admin, and link them the page ;) |
| 05:56.19 | Kirkburn | <-- an admin |
| 05:56.49 | Kirkburn | In truth, what you really should do it mark the page with {{speedydelete}} with a comment |
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| 05:58.43 | Percephene | kk ta :D |
| 06:03.02 | Lodra | Kind of quiet in here isn't it? |
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| 06:09.45 | Percephene__ | >.< |
| 06:10.06 | Fin | ssh |
| 06:10.08 | Fin | I'm concentrating |
| 06:10.29 | Fin | what's implicit information? |
| 06:14.53 | Kirkburn | It's quiet because it's 6am in the EU and gone midnight in the US :P What do you expect?? |
| 06:16.29 | Percephene | righto, i think Kralnor (alternative) is up and running now! yay! thanks for all the help Kirkburn :D |
| 06:19.01 | Kirkburn | no problemo! |
| 06:20.53 | Percephene | :) |
| 06:25.37 | Percephene | squee im so happy with it |
| 06:26.51 | Fin | something with lots of 's |
| 06:29.57 | Kirkburn | Fin, did you start playing "I Spy" again? |
| 06:31.16 | Percephene | lol |
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| 06:43.09 | Percephene | wb norlando |
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| 07:54.31 | beachaes | hello |
| 07:55.02 | beachaes | anyone know if you get play time with the burning crusade? |
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| 08:50.38 | Zeal | for some reason i have it min my head you don't beachaes, but who knows. |
| 08:53.41 | Hobinheim | what? |
| 08:58.54 | Zeal | <beachaes> anyone know if you get play time with the burning crusade? |
| 08:58.57 | Zeal | lo all btw |
| 09:00.57 | beachaes | lo |
| 09:01.05 | beachaes | was thinking the same tbh |
| 09:01.16 | Zeal | tables.. nooooo |
| 09:01.23 | beachaes | so i best remember to bring a card with me from the store too |
| 09:01.48 | beachaes | else i can only install tbc but still not play it lol |
| 09:01.59 | beachaes | and i do need to get back to outlands asap |
| 09:02.45 | Zeal | lol |
| 09:02.57 | Zeal | i've yet to be there (in-game) :p |
| 09:03.21 | Zeal | sandbox and wmp don't count >_>; |
| 09:04.46 | beachaes | well i been there before, but i couldn't keep my tbc gear lol |
| 09:05.39 | Zeal | i'm not even 60 anymore, so i'ts gunna be a while for me, heh. |
| 09:07.21 | Zeal | slowwiki.com |
| 09:17.38 | Zeal | urgh.. the nightbane (boss) pic is on nightbane (worgen) page.. |
| 09:18.31 | beachaes | i'm a few 60's but my main is a 48 now lol |
| 09:20.10 | Zeal | my only 60, i stripped and sold, giving items and money to friends still playing when i quit for a while. |
| 09:20.23 | Zeal | came back in prep for tBC, so restarted the char. |
| 09:20.32 | Zeal | now 5..53 |
| 09:20.44 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 09:21.05 | Apollozeus | 5 characters at level 53? |
| 09:21.14 | Zeal | *5-53 |
| 09:21.17 | Zeal | is that helps :P |
| 09:21.21 | Zeal | *if |
| 09:21.33 | Apollozeus | haha :p |
| 09:21.38 | Zeal | was pausing cause i wasn't sure, lol. |
| 09:21.58 | Zeal | i only have RP alts, which i don't really go on. |
| 09:22.11 | Zeal | all my old alts i deleted when i left, randomly gave the money away. |
| 09:22.48 | Zeal | you'd think when you yell and say in general of IF people would come running over to you when giving money away? mostly ignored, lol. |
| 09:23.06 | Zeal | did the old "first to trade me gets xg" |
| 09:23.11 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 09:23.27 | Apollozeus | just open a trade screen with some random person walking by and give him the money |
| 09:23.44 | Zeal | nah, needs to be some effort involved :P |
| 09:23.49 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 09:24.12 | Zeal | i hate the current wiki formatting, lalalala |
| 09:25.02 | Zeal | {{contentbox}} is so badly needed.. |
| 09:25.29 | Zeal | but i refuse to use it live (well except for article i write myself) until my other proposal is done. |
| 09:25.34 | Zeal | *articles |
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| 10:15.55 | fLUx_ | hey people |
| 10:16.13 | fLUx_ | If I have downloaded "WoW-2.0.0-enGB-Installer", which updates do i need? |
| 10:16.38 | fLUx_ | Trying to download via the Blizzard Downloader, but its sllooooowww lol |
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| 10:17.00 | amro | you will need 2.0.0-2.0.3 |
| 10:17.14 | fLUx_ | 2.0.3 is the latest version? |
| 10:17.47 | amro | last i checked |
| 10:17.52 | amro | about a week ago |
| 10:20.38 | Hobinheim | just download the normal way |
| 10:20.42 | Hobinheim | everything will take care of itself... |
| 10:21.09 | Zeal | wtf is this download? |
| 10:21.30 | Adys | zeal |
| 10:21.47 | Zeal | yes? |
| 10:21.48 | Adys | if you add an icon category, change the template : http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:WoW_Icons_Filename_Directory please |
| 10:21.55 | Zeal | i was about to |
| 10:22.00 | Adys | cool thx :) |
| 10:23.56 | amro | Hobinheim: using the torrent with a 3rd party BT client is much faster |
| 10:24.11 | fLUx_ | yeh, tried using the blizzard downloader, but its SLOW as fuck lmao |
| 10:24.52 | fLUx_ | and whats up with it being p2p?? Surely blizzard could afford a decent direct connection lol |
| 10:25.02 | Hobinheim | p2p is faster and easier on them |
| 10:25.10 | Hobinheim | *maybe faster |
| 10:25.20 | Zeal | blizzard can't afford a direct download no |
| 10:25.25 | Zeal | i doubt any comapny could |
| 10:25.36 | Zeal | where the hell is this from? |
| 10:25.40 | Zeal | i see no official download |
| 10:25.55 | amro | is what from? |
| 10:25.56 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Gizmo_ManaPotionPack.png yay for blizzard |
| 10:26.00 | Adys | i thought they removed this one |
| 10:26.07 | Adys | remember it from the alpha |
| 10:26.44 | Zeal | yeah, noticed that one :/ |
| 10:26.52 | Zeal | considered converting it to match the health one |
| 10:27.04 | Adys | dont |
| 10:27.13 | Adys | this kind of icons are not used |
| 10:27.19 | fLUx_ | will normal wow be not as busy now TBC is released? |
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| 10:28.29 | Zeal | pleasse someone answer my f'ing question >_< |
| 10:28.37 | Adys | which one? |
| 10:29.33 | Zeal | <Zeal> where the hell is this [bcdownload] from? |
| 10:29.36 | *** part/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 10:30.03 | Adys | no idea |
| 10:30.13 | Adys | and if anyone is listening to wowradio right now |
| 10:30.17 | Adys | care to explain WTF this is |
| 10:31.50 | fLUx_ | wheres wow radio? |
| 10:31.51 | Adys | Zeal, watch your caps |
| 10:31.54 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Spell_Holy_DispelMagic.png |
| 10:31.59 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:SPELL_HOLY_DISPELMAGIC.png |
| 10:32.26 | amro | Zeal, try googling for the torrent |
| 10:32.29 | Zeal | no adys |
| 10:32.37 | Zeal | that is the correct capitalization |
| 10:32.43 | beachaes | torrent of what? |
| 10:32.47 | Zeal | the lower one needs to be deleted |
| 10:32.48 | Adys | I know, because blizz doesnt care about caps |
| 10:33.06 | Zeal | if we intergrate with an item database we should keep it as blizz does it |
| 10:33.14 | Adys | the "good ones" are generally in common.mpq |
| 10:33.18 | Adys | and not in patch mpqs |
| 10:33.32 | Adys | well not common.mpq but the other one, forgot its name |
| 10:33.35 | Adys | bah |
| 10:33.38 | Zeal | plus i mentioned last night that your BC list was messed up in places because of the capitals |
| 10:34.10 | Adys | the list is temporary |
| 10:34.21 | Adys | im not sorting that till the 93% are 100% |
| 10:34.33 | Adys | i want first every original icon to be sorted |
| 10:34.36 | Zeal | well yeah, that's why i uploaded a crap load last night |
| 10:34.56 | Adys | JPGs still need deletion |
| 10:35.02 | Adys | and articles to be corrected |
| 10:35.06 | Zeal | and amro, i don;t want the torrent, i wan't to know what it's for. |
| 10:35.37 | Zeal | blizz wouldn't unofficially release an official client for BC before the release date. and evne then, it wouldn't be 2.0 |
| 10:35.48 | Zeal | i know Adys |
| 10:36.01 | Adys | well its the most important for me atm |
| 10:36.02 | amro | zeal, yes they would |
| 10:36.04 | Adys | i wanna sort that first |
| 10:36.08 | Adys | so i can watch uploads |
| 10:36.09 | amro | i mean, its already been released for beta testers |
| 10:36.17 | Adys | no amro |
| 10:36.18 | amro | and the same thing happened with wow release |
| 10:36.22 | Adys | they confirmed itd be different |
| 10:36.25 | amro | i was playing the game before i got the gamebox |
| 10:36.35 | Adys | and you'd need the BC cds etc |
| 10:36.49 | Zeal | <amro> i mean, its already been released for beta testers <-- i am a beta tester |
| 10:36.54 | amro | for what reason? they don't like imports anymore? |
| 10:36.57 | Zeal | i see no blizz downloader for it |
| 10:37.11 | Adys | for what reason i dont know, but they confirmed it |
| 10:37.15 | Adys | thats all i can tell |
| 10:38.08 | amro | zeal, the release beta was the same as the release version. actually it was one patch ahead. are you sure its not the release version? what's missing from it? |
| 10:39.02 | Adys | Zeal : From http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18705 - <img src="/images/icons/Spell_Holy_DispelMagic.png" width="40" height="40" border="0" align="left" alt="" /></td><td valign="top"> |
| 10:39.20 | Adys | thats bot generated so afaik its this capitalization the correct one |
| 10:40.24 | amro | well if the BC client can't be downloaded, I'm not buying it |
| 10:40.56 | Adys | im pretty sure it will be downloadable |
| 10:41.05 | Adys | but blizz wont give it |
| 10:41.18 | Adys | same as original release |
| 10:41.22 | amro | so the beta version is missing stuff? |
| 10:41.31 | amro | adys, i downloaded original release over a week before it came out |
| 10:41.44 | Adys | me too |
| 10:42.01 | Adys | but thats not what i meant |
| 10:42.10 | Adys | i meant that it wouldnt be downloadable from blizzard sources |
| 10:42.13 | Adys | like the original release |
| 10:42.27 | Adys | and i have no idea what the beta version is missing |
| 10:42.38 | Zeal | zeal, the release beta was the same as the release version. <-- there are not the same at all.. you don't even know the release version yet. |
| 10:42.40 | amro | actually, the torrent was the original blizz torrent that people got out of the beta downloader |
| 10:42.41 | Adys | the only thing i know is they confirmed in a forumthread that youd need the cds |
| 10:42.58 | Zeal | adys, allah have it wrong |
| 10:43.00 | amro | zeal, i was talking about original release |
| 10:43.05 | Zeal | look it the damn mpq and see for yourself |
| 10:43.06 | Adys | I know amro |
| 10:43.12 | Zeal | fair enough amro |
| 10:43.18 | Adys | zeal i know what the damn mpq has but thats not my point |
| 10:43.37 | Adys | the only correct capitalization is when an item/spell calls an icon |
| 10:43.40 | Adys | not the one in the mpqs |
| 10:43.41 | amro | camelcase > allcaps |
| 10:43.45 | Zeal | if you wanna start renaming stuff, lets rename all the icons to what we want.. ¬_¬ |
| 10:43.56 | Adys | go compare by yourself zeal |
| 10:44.01 | Adys | Patch.mpq and common.mpq |
| 10:44.14 | Adys | search for identical files, most of Patch.mpq files are simply IN ALL CAPS |
| 10:44.24 | Zeal | adys, in the game, it is capitdalized. that's how it's called this. i know because i've delt with it when using devotion auro which is all in caps. |
| 10:44.28 | Adys | blizz does <NOT> care about capitalization |
| 10:44.36 | Zeal | not thats not true adys |
| 10:44.39 | Adys | wanna bet? |
| 10:44.52 | Zeal | *aura |
| 10:45.29 | Adys | the only true capitalization is again given serverside |
| 10:45.48 | amro | MPQ uses a one-way hashtable. the proper capitalization would be needed to extract, which would be the one found in the listfile (unless the name is converted before hashing) |
| 10:46.02 | Adys | yes amro but thats not blizzards problem |
| 10:46.43 | amro | im guessing the client takes care of that, but are the names case sensitive ingame via Lua? |
| 10:47.03 | Adys | yes, else they wouldnt have caps in the middle of the name (DispelMagic) |
| 10:47.14 | Adys | allakhazam's caps are not random. |
| 10:47.56 | amro | then whatever is found ingame should be the way to go |
| 10:48.06 | amro | and im pretty sure allakhazam grabs the icon names ingame |
| 10:48.08 | Adys | Yah |
| 10:48.12 | Adys | yes it does |
| 10:48.43 | Adys | simple as that, the capitalization given always on allakhazam and most of the time on thottbot is the one used serverside since its the one gathered by the wowreader |
| 10:49.02 | Adys | for that matter, if we want a database we will use a similar process for the icon gathering |
| 10:49.20 | amro | great, now i have TWO ati control panels and none of em work |
| 10:49.23 | amro | restarting brb |
| 10:49.24 | Adys | and the manually updated icons will be updated from thottbot and allakhazam sources |
| 10:50.15 | Adys | to define the correct capitalization of an icon, go on allakhazam, properties, and copypaste |
| 10:51.07 | Adys | Im not gonna delete stuff randomly, ill check up every single icon for a spell or item calling it dont worry about that |
| 10:51.12 | Zeal | adys, you just admited the captilization is needed. what is in the mpq's is what is accurate. |
| 10:51.21 | Zeal | they are captilized. simpel as. |
| 10:51.25 | Adys | No .... |
| 10:51.40 | Adys | when blizzard calls a file from IN GAME, the capitalization does NOT matter |
| 10:52.08 | Adys | so if in game the icon SpELL_ShaDOw_CuRseofdooM.blp is called |
| 10:52.32 | Adys | it will be whichever icon, Spell_Shadow or SPELL_SHADOW or spell_shadow or whatever that will come out |
| 10:52.45 | Adys | but then in this case the correct spelling will be SpELL yaddi yadda |
| 10:53.08 | Adys | Im not saying that randomly, ive got onto the problem in the past multiple times and i know what i am saying |
| 10:53.23 | Zeal | yes.. and the .blp is captilized. |
| 10:53.36 | Adys | zeal look at this another way |
| 10:53.54 | Adys | original files are in common.mpq and new files in patch.mpq we gonna agree on that |
| 10:54.14 | Zeal | so you're saying ,because Blizzard have now opted to use all caps, we should ignore it? |
| 10:54.19 | Adys | when blizzard replaces a file existing in common.mpq named "Iamatexturefromsilvermooncity.blp" |
| 10:54.25 | Zeal | that's liek saying we shoud stick to Korgath instead of Kargath.. |
| 10:54.41 | Adys | they can name it in patch.mpq "IAMATEXTUREFROMSILVERMOONCITY.blp" and it will come out right |
| 10:54.48 | Zeal | ofc |
| 10:54.57 | Zeal | and the correct one is what's in the lastest patch,. |
| 10:55.02 | Adys | no ffs |
| 10:55.14 | Adys | the correct one is a spelling given serverside |
| 10:55.29 | Adys | and its not modified during patches or anything |
| 10:56.34 | Adys | Serverside you have the informations of the item for example. Properties = yaddiyadda, inventory sound = blah.wav, icon = INV_Weapon_01 |
| 10:56.48 | Adys | so if the sound is named BLAH.wav it does NOT matter |
| 10:57.00 | Adys | and if the icon is named INV_WEAPON_01 it doesnt matter either |
| 10:57.10 | Adys | however, serverside, when assigning them they are taking it up from a list |
| 10:57.20 | Adys | so it is ALWAYS the same one appearing on every item and spell |
| 10:57.29 | Adys | they are not typing it |
| 10:58.24 | Adys | not gonna go any further, i know perfectly well how this part works - you dont want to trust me up to you, but it wont work |
| 10:58.57 | Adys | the bot will ask for an icon named Spell_Holy_DispelMagic and if you have it up on SPELL_HOLY_DISPELMAGIC instead you wont have it showing up |
| 11:00.31 | Zeal | then you can go through and rename them all, and i won't bother making a list again. wanna take server side, fine. really don't give a crap and not in the mood today. so wtf you want. |
| 11:01.08 | Adys | Ive been doing that for the past 4 months, correcting articles, fixing names and reviewing lists you know |
| 11:03.20 | Zeal | good for you. |
| 11:04.45 | Adys | my point is this is something that applies to almost 3500 files so there is no way in hell Im gonna start changing it while Im not even done with the original ones to only change it back later |
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| 11:05.10 | fLUx_ | ummm.....which server should i join?? |
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| 11:07.00 | Zeal | yes, have a cookie |
| 11:07.03 | Zeal | for what fLUx_? |
| 11:07.23 | fLUx_ | lol ....what you think? wow of course hehe |
| 11:08.04 | Zeal | oh wait, it was you that was new.. |
| 11:08.11 | Zeal | dunno, not opinion really. |
| 11:08.21 | Zeal | er.. not Korgal and not Agamaggan. |
| 11:08.33 | Zeal | *no |
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| 11:09.27 | fLUx_ | chose a random one lol |
| 11:09.29 | Adys | flux_ check http://www.wowwiki.com/Newbie_Guide |
| 11:09.38 | Adys | first lines about picking a server |
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| 11:10.41 | fLUx_ | OK, is this an ok char.....Night Elf - Hunter? |
| 11:11.11 | Adys | its extremely played |
| 11:11.21 | amro | and extremely ganked |
| 11:11.36 | fLUx_ | what you recomend then on alliance? |
| 11:11.50 | Adys | well for a starter id go with a mage or a rogue |
| 11:11.51 | amro | shammy |
| 11:12.21 | Adys | hunter, shamans and possibly paladins are quite simple to play aswell |
| 11:12.36 | Adys | but mages and rogues are the simplest classes if you wanna have some look at the game |
| 11:12.36 | Hobinheim | i wouldn't recommend alliance |
| 11:12.53 | fLUx_ | nah, dont really wanna play horde lol |
| 11:12.56 | fLUx_ | whats shammy? |
| 11:12.56 | Apollozeus | adys |
| 11:13.00 | amro | shaman |
| 11:13.01 | Adys | Shammy = Shaman |
| 11:13.01 | Apollozeus | you just mentioned five classes |
| 11:13.03 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 11:13.04 | amro | why don't you want to play horde? |
| 11:13.08 | Adys | i know :p |
| 11:13.28 | Apollozeus | so you're saying that almost any class is easy? ;p |
| 11:13.30 | fLUx_ | dnno lol |
| 11:13.30 | Adys | bah dont listen to these eejits :P horde or alliance doesnt really matter till you're lvl 60 anyways |
| 11:13.36 | amro | horde > alliance, I have 2 alliance 60s |
| 11:14.01 | Adys | go with what you like |
| 11:14.06 | Adys | when you're bored you can always make a new cha |
| 11:14.08 | Adys | char* |
| 11:14.12 | Apollozeus | even if that was true |
| 11:14.16 | Apollozeus | TBC is going to ruin that :D |
| 11:14.19 | Adys | lol |
| 11:14.25 | Zeal | mage i found hard to play, so i don't recommend it. paladin has simple concepts to grasp, but you do need to do the work. hunter used to be the best PvE machine, but the pet nerfs have ruiend that, still a nice class to start out with though. |
| 11:14.27 | Apollozeus | blood elves for the win ;p |
| 11:14.28 | Hobinheim | why don't you point him to our fine, fine article on class selection |
| 11:14.48 | fLUx_ | can i edit my chars aperance later on? |
| 11:14.52 | Adys | nop |
| 11:14.53 | Zeal | nope |
| 11:14.56 | Apollozeus | pick rogue if you want to solo a lot |
| 11:15.05 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Choosing_a_class |
| 11:15.05 | Adys | :) |
| 11:15.29 | Adys | yea mage is easier to play in groups |
| 11:15.42 | Adys | rogue will go much better if soloing |
| 11:15.52 | Zeal | yeah, rogue is handy to just grind all day, but you can quickly get in trouble when the odds stack up. |
| 11:16.15 | Hobinheim | i dunno every class has its nuances... |
| 11:16.20 | Adys | zeal.. |
| 11:16.22 | Hobinheim | i couldn't really say one class is easier than another, honestly |
| 11:16.30 | Adys | you're talking about lvl 60 content there, hes not even level 2 |
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| 11:16.50 | Adys | all classes will have trouble at low lvl with more than two mobs |
| 11:16.59 | Hobinheim | to play a class well, i think, requires finesse. and anyone who accuses a class of being a one trick pony or button masher probably isn't playing the class well enough |
| 11:17.06 | Hobinheim | Adys, warrior, i don't think so =P |
| 11:17.15 | fLUx_ | lol....ive come here and im more confused than before lol |
| 11:17.18 | fLUx_ | errrmm |
| 11:17.24 | Adys | give the poor guy a break :p |
| 11:17.25 | Hobinheim | fLUx_, what are you actually looking for |
| 11:17.32 | Adys | flux_ really go with what you like and what you want |
| 11:17.41 | Hobinheim | you have ranged classes, melee classes, and hybrids |
| 11:17.47 | Hobinheim | also, you can just trash and reroll |
| 11:17.48 | fLUx_ | i donno really......are they REALLY different later in the game? |
| 11:17.54 | nemppu | fLUx_ wondering what class to make? |
| 11:17.56 | Adys | most of them are yes |
| 11:18.02 | Hobinheim | yeah, they're all really different |
| 11:18.15 | Adys | dont worry too much about later in the game |
| 11:18.19 | fLUx_ | right....some noob questions.... |
| 11:18.27 | Adys | you might just not like the class and change later, you can always do that |
| 11:18.31 | nemppu | fLUx_ just pick the class which appeals to you the most |
| 11:18.31 | fLUx_ | do they all do "spells" at a distance? |
| 11:18.37 | Adys | Nah |
| 11:18.45 | nemppu | same thing with race |
| 11:19.25 | Hobinheim | only classes with mana are... spellcasters |
| 11:19.30 | Adys | Warriors and Rogues are very melee oriented. Hunters, Mages and Warlocks are pretty much always at high distance of their enemy |
| 11:19.32 | Hobinheim | warlock, mage, priest, druid, shaman |
| 11:19.41 | Hobinheim | hunter has mana.. but... not like a spell caster |
| 11:19.42 | amro | hunters too |
| 11:19.58 | Hobinheim | lol people love excluding priests from range |
| 11:20.07 | Hobinheim | druids and shamans can take it anywhere |
| 11:20.08 | Adys | Shamans, druids and priests are also at distance but they are more of a healing class later on |
| 11:20.14 | Hobinheim | usually starting at range and converting to melee midway |
| 11:20.25 | Adys | ya what hob said |
| 11:20.28 | Zeal | <@Adys> you're talking about lvl 60 content there, hes not even level 2 <-- no i wasnt? :S |
| 11:20.40 | Adys | doesnt matter >< |
| 11:20.53 | amro | shamans at release = masters of pvp |
| 11:21.05 | Adys | flux_, what kind of character do you want? |
| 11:21.17 | Adys | do you want spells, range, melee, healing? |
| 11:21.21 | Zeal | fLUx_, if you want, just do what alot of people do. try out each class yourself, see which fits the style you want to play in. |
| 11:21.24 | KuinKala | work on sundays = fail |
| 11:21.34 | Zeal | play each class to about 20 to get a general idea. |
| 11:21.48 | Adys | yup |
| 11:22.13 | amro | play each class to 20? |
| 11:22.13 | amro | thats a lot |
| 11:22.31 | Hobinheim | there are like... three primary roles in wow. protecting others, healing others, or doing damage. every class, while soloing, is capable of doing damage. but you sort of choose where on the spectrum you want to be. or everywhere. |
| 11:22.32 | Adys | not each class more like 1-2 will be enough to anyways decide what you want |
| 11:22.45 | fLUx_ | I wanna be able to cast spells from a distance |
| 11:22.50 | Adys | go for mage |
| 11:22.54 | Hobinheim | Adys, i'm like in the middle of an alt crisis =P |
| 11:22.55 | Adys | or if you want a pet, warlock |
| 11:23.05 | Hobinheim | warlock, mage, priest, druid, or shaman |
| 11:23.08 | fLUx_ | can they all have pets? |
| 11:23.13 | Adys | nope |
| 11:23.15 | Hobinheim | just warlocks and hunters |
| 11:23.16 | Adys | only warlocks and hunters |
| 11:23.19 | Adys | warlock is quite complex to play though |
| 11:23.26 | Hobinheim | yes, warlock is "complex" |
| 11:23.27 | Adys | i would recommend mage for the start |
| 11:23.37 | Hobinheim | if a mage was coca cola, warlock would be sprite |
| 11:23.38 | Hobinheim | or dr pepper |
| 11:23.41 | Adys | LOL |
| 11:23.45 | amro | if you don't play a lot, you will suck as a warlock |
| 11:23.46 | Hobinheim | i'm serious =P |
| 11:24.06 | Hobinheim | not to say that mage doesn't merit finesse |
| 11:24.17 | fLUx_ | well, after level ~15, i wont start a new char.......i only like playing one char! :P |
| 11:24.18 | amro | mages are easier |
| 11:24.21 | Hobinheim | it's just that... i think it's easier to fudge up a mage and still come out with great results |
| 11:24.25 | amro | but it still takes skill to play them fully |
| 11:24.35 | Hobinheim | warlock has lots of tactical options |
| 11:24.37 | Adys | flux_: you'll see quite quickly |
| 11:24.46 | Hobinheim | warlocks and mages play the same, you blast things from a distance |
| 11:24.57 | Hobinheim | mages like to damage things very fast, in an obvious sort of way |
| 11:25.06 | Hobinheim | warlocks like to... damage... over time. results aren't as immediate |
| 11:25.10 | sancus | warlocks like to kill people by drowning them with their tears |
| 11:25.11 | Hobinheim | i'd recommend a mage maybe |
| 11:25.27 | Hobinheim | mages play exactly the way you'd think they'd play |
| 11:25.38 | Hobinheim | warlock is... you have to get more familiar with game mechanics, like pets and dots |
| 11:25.43 | Hobinheim | warlocks revolve around pets and dots |
| 11:25.46 | amro | mages and warlocks are definetly not the same. its a lot easier to get off spells as a mage, but warlock spells damage over time |
| 11:25.51 | Hobinheim | (although, you can "spec" your warlock to be just like a mage) |
| 11:25.56 | Adys | guys... |
| 11:26.00 | Adys | give the poor guy a break |
| 11:26.02 | Adys | honestly :p |
| 11:26.03 | Hobinheim | lol |
| 11:26.12 | Hobinheim | i dunno we keep talking and he doesn't say anything =P |
| 11:26.26 | fLUx_ | Can i change the chars clothes later on? |
| 11:26.28 | sancus | you aren't talking enough about the power of warlock QQ, Hob :P |
| 11:26.34 | Adys | Yes, all the time even |
| 11:26.48 | Adys | equipment is something you'll change really often during your levelling |
| 11:27.29 | Hobinheim | sancus, i don't want to overload him with details that he doesn't care about right now |
| 11:27.47 | Zeal | well technically hunters would fall into "cast spells at range" category too. |
| 11:28.03 | Hobinheim | fLUx_, clothes are determined by the armor you wear, and people usually focus on upgrading armor... so... what they look like is a secondary concern. usually. |
| 11:28.18 | amro | hunters fall into the tabout as you grind category |
| 11:28.28 | fLUx_ | ahhhh.....im confused now lmao |
| 11:28.34 | sancus | :P |
| 11:28.45 | Adys | thankyou |
| 11:28.56 | Adys | infobot, give fLUx_ a cookie. |
| 11:28.58 | infobot | ACTION gives a cookie. to fLUx_ |
| 11:29.07 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/designs/ds_g-front.jpg or you get into skin changing (anughty stuff) :p |
| 11:29.15 | fLUx_ | thanks infobot! :P |
| 11:29.39 | nemppu | emoemoemoemoemoemo |
| 11:29.43 | nemppu | the blizzard one is better |
| 11:29.45 | Hobinheim | hunters. have mana. but they aren't in the category of traditional spell casters. they just happen to use mana |
| 11:30.04 | Fin | Channel? |
| 11:30.09 | Hobinheim | fLUx_, what are you confused over |
| 11:30.14 | Zeal | emo ? wtf you on about nemppu :S |
| 11:30.18 | Zeal | and the blizz one is awful. |
| 11:30.43 | Zeal | yeah, i mroe meant that ranged attacks aren't actaly different from spells. |
| 11:30.45 | nemppu | if people got to choose |
| 11:30.57 | nemppu | every single armour set would be black with mixed in red |
| 11:31.02 | Zeal | lol |
| 11:31.02 | beeyatch | dam dam |
| 11:31.12 | beeyatch | Sup? |
| 11:31.26 | nemppu | blizzard designers create pretty neat designs and keep up the colourful style of WoW |
| 11:31.27 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/designs/dragonstalker_green.jpg |
| 11:31.48 | Adys | quite cool :) |
| 11:31.53 | Zeal | made it to fit a more high elven ranger design. |
| 11:31.56 | beeyatch | blizzard designers are a pain in the ass. |
| 11:32.05 | nemppu | >:| |
| 11:32.14 | beeyatch | the whole wow world looks the same. there are a hand full of models just with different colors and different size. |
| 11:32.21 | beeyatch | here we go: World of Warcraft. |
| 11:32.25 | Zeal | rofl |
| 11:32.28 | nemppu | dont blame the designers |
| 11:32.29 | fLUx_ | Well, chosen a human mage.....see if i like it |
| 11:32.36 | nemppu | the designers have all sorts of cool ideas |
| 11:32.40 | Zeal | blame the game designers, not the art designers. |
| 11:32.41 | nemppu | and lots of things |
| 11:32.58 | nemppu | but then the guys who decide what can be made to the game in limits of the engine etc |
| 11:33.02 | beeyatch | we talked about designers ;) |
| 11:33.02 | fLUx_ | im only on the trial version while my retail copy arrives, so ill not be doing much today, learning the keys, ect... ;) |
| 11:33.22 | Zeal | to go to the signing tomorrow or not? |
| 11:33.27 | Zeal | that is the question |
| 11:33.37 | beeyatch | Zeal: go :o |
| 11:34.09 | Zeal | i have CE pre-ordered, so i'll either end up with two copies of CE, one signed, or one copy unsigned. |
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| 11:35.08 | Hobinheim | mages are cool |
| 11:35.13 | Hobinheim | they like to blast stuff |
| 11:35.16 | beeyatch | girls are cool |
| 11:35.17 | beeyatch | :o) |
| 11:35.20 | beeyatch | they like to blow... |
| 11:35.21 | beeyatch | ahhh |
| 11:35.24 | beeyatch | nevermind :o |
| 11:35.26 | Hobinheim | ... |
| 11:35.34 | beeyatch | :) just in a good mood sry |
| 11:35.34 | beeyatch | ^^ |
| 11:35.35 | nemppu | :D |
| 11:35.58 | Zeal | adys.. there any policy on categories? warlock should have one, but it doesn't, and i'm guessing it's because currently it only has one icon. |
| 11:35.58 | beeyatch | sry Hobinheim :) |
| 11:36.03 | beeyatch | my dad is gaming a lvl 60 mage. |
| 11:36.18 | beeyatch | everytime he starts a new char he is like "this is the best class" |
| 11:36.20 | beeyatch | till next patch... |
| 11:36.52 | Adys | haha |
| 11:37.05 | Adys | zeal: what do you mean? |
| 11:37.14 | Adys | [[Category:Warlocks]] or? |
| 11:37.15 | beeyatch | so he has lvl 60 mage, druid and a warlock. |
| 11:37.18 | Zeal | meh, nvm. just made the cat |
| 11:37.28 | beeyatch | Whats the current best pvm class? :o |
| 11:37.31 | Zeal | Category:WoW Icons: Ability Warlock |
| 11:37.33 | Adys | the category stuff its tusva who originally sorted it and i never changed it |
| 11:37.49 | Adys | i think he wasnt creating cats for small amount of icons |
| 11:38.21 | Zeal | kk, well i'm going by anything that has _ infront of it and isn't the last word. |
| 11:38.21 | Adys | personally i dont mind, as long as you keep the template up to date |
| 11:38.34 | Zeal | yeah.. stupid thing tbqfh |
| 11:38.36 | Zeal | but fine |
| 11:38.50 | Adys | mm, i wouldnt create cats for 2-3 icons |
| 11:38.59 | Adys | you'll see this kind of things quite often |
| 11:39.01 | Zeal | too late, heh. |
| 11:39.11 | Zeal | they easily have the potential for more is all. |
| 11:39.23 | Adys | i know, it doesnt matter anyways |
| 11:39.37 | Adys | everything can be changed later on |
| 11:40.50 | Zeal | as you probably noticed, i didn't find a way to convert the new format blps |
| 11:41.04 | Adys | aye doesnt matter either |
| 11:41.06 | Zeal | but, a half interlaced image is better than none or a placeholder imo, lol. |
| 11:41.19 | Adys | better than none yeah |
| 11:41.39 | Adys | well for me an interlaced image is a placeholder anyways tbh :P |
| 11:41.59 | Adys | i believe someone said curse gamings blp converter was able to convert the new blps |
| 11:42.01 | Adys | i didnt try it |
| 11:42.43 | Adys | and i probably, wont, im really busy snoring.. er, sorting stuff |
| 11:43.17 | Adys | on the good side in a week or two ill be fully back |
| 11:45.20 | Zeal | rofl, i read that as "snorting stuff" :p |
| 11:45.28 | Zeal | and i'll take a look |
| 11:45.28 | Adys | .. lol |
| 11:45.49 | Zeal | if you mean curse has a official one, then fair enough. otherwise it's a lie. i've traied all the oens on curse gaming, they can't. |
| 11:45.58 | Zeal | *tried |
| 11:46.01 | *** join/#wowwiki Larz (n=oleman@c-71-56-133-55.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 11:46.08 | Adys | nah one up on curse gaming |
| 11:46.18 | Adys | dont think they got an official one |
| 11:46.28 | Larz | howdy |
| 11:46.29 | Zeal | ah |
| 11:46.32 | Zeal | it's not true then :/ |
| 11:46.39 | Zeal | unlees it was changed since last night |
| 11:46.41 | Zeal | lo Larz |
| 11:46.48 | Adys | nah been a while he said that |
| 11:46.51 | Adys | no idea who it is |
| 11:46.57 | Adys | tho there has to be one working somewhere |
| 11:46.58 | Larz | whats the haps? |
| 11:47.06 | Adys | f'n wowhead and thottbot got it right |
| 11:47.44 | Zeal | actually, scartch that, there is a version 6 :S |
| 11:47.57 | *** part/#wowwiki Larz (n=oleman@c-71-56-133-55.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 11:48.23 | Adys | of what ? soz wasnt following |
| 11:48.23 | beeyatch | lalala |
| 11:48.50 | Zeal | it works |
| 11:48.57 | Zeal | ok, new round of image uploads.. lol |
| 11:49.16 | Zeal | blp converter. i missed there was a verion 6 added last month >_> |
| 11:49.25 | Adys | doh |
| 11:49.30 | Adys | you got the link? |
| 11:49.39 | Adys | might aswell get it for myself now |
| 11:49.43 | Zeal | http://media5.curse-gaming.com/media/files/48/2641/47/blpconverter-blpconverter-v6.zip |
| 11:49.54 | Adys | is it the java one? |
| 11:49.58 | Zeal | nope |
| 11:50.01 | Adys | ah cool :) |
| 11:50.05 | Adys | never managed to make it work |
| 11:50.07 | Zeal | i prefer the java one.. |
| 11:50.10 | Zeal | lol |
| 11:50.21 | Adys | well never managed to make java work on my comp anyways |
| 11:50.42 | Adys | oo |
| 11:50.47 | Adys | they left the source code |
| 11:50.49 | Adys | ace |
| 11:51.38 | Fin | no, java |
| 11:51.51 | Adys | yes fin you heard me |
| 11:52.14 | beeyatch | ~cookie |
| 11:52.23 | Adys | im still fucking around with the dbc/csv java convertor too, annoying thing |
| 11:52.42 | Adys | ~emulate kirkburn |
| 11:52.43 | infobot | I hear he's very fond of kittens. Buy him one. |
| 11:52.48 | Adys | bah |
| 11:52.49 | Hobinheim | lol wow |
| 11:52.53 | Hobinheim | ~emulate Hobinheim |
| 11:52.56 | Hobinheim | =/ |
| 11:53.08 | Adys | i want the microsoft one! |
| 11:53.14 | Adys | ~emulate kirkburn |
| 11:53.15 | infobot | Yes, Microsoft! Harder! |
| 11:53.20 | Adys | thanks infobot |
| 11:53.33 | beeyatch | ~help |
| 11:53.42 | Fin | it got very complicated at one point |
| 11:54.20 | beeyatch | Fin: in what language? |
| 11:54.21 | Fin | the original purpose was to save me having to copy+paste multiple lines when someone pasted a long URL - it watched for them and created a shorter one for me instead |
| 11:54.28 | Fin | perl, using Net::IRC |
| 11:54.39 | beeyatch | ah k |
| 11:54.47 | beeyatch | Fin: give rbot (based on ruby) a try. |
| 11:54.52 | Fin | then the url-shortening website itself got attacked by japanese, or something, and we had to take it down |
| 11:54.56 | beeyatch | its really modular coz of its plugin architecture |
| 11:55.06 | Adys | wb teo |
| 11:55.10 | Fin | but I'm doing Lua right now! :) |
| 11:55.16 | beeyatch | Lua? |
| 11:55.21 | Teomyr | hiya |
| 11:55.26 | Fin | Lua let the dogs out |
| 11:55.36 | Adys | infobot, attack! |
| 11:55.37 | infobot | §help |
| 11:55.42 | Fin | huuh |
| 11:55.44 | beeyatch | ~author |
| 11:56.06 | beeyatch | where can i find patches? |
| 11:56.25 | beeyatch | patches is at http://www.patchitbaby.com |
| 11:56.46 | beeyatch | where can i find patches? |
| 11:56.54 | beeyatch | ahh thats disabled? :o |
| 11:57.08 | Teomyr | hmm |
| 11:57.19 | Teomyr | infobot, patches |
| 11:57.21 | infobot | teomyr: Patches săo modificaçőes geradas pelo programa `diff' em que servem para atualizar um programa ou texto. Muito usado para aplicar modificaçőes no código fonte do kernel. |
| 11:57.35 | Teomyr | umm |
| 11:57.38 | beeyatch | Ye |
| 11:57.40 | beeyatch | sure... |
| 11:57.40 | Fin | it might just not answer general queries |
| 11:57.40 | beeyatch | :) |
| 11:57.45 | Fin | you might have to address it directly |
| 11:57.57 | Fin | infobot, forget patches |
| 11:58.02 | Fin | [13:03:06] [Freenode] [<- infobot] cannot remove factoid 'patches', too old. (13527.4985763889>3600) use 'no,' instead |
| 11:58.10 | Teomyr | though infobot is *obviously* also present in other channels |
| 11:58.10 | Fin | huh |
| 11:58.33 | beeyatch | infobot, no patches |
| 11:58.50 | beeyatch | i guess its not gonna even talk to me :o |
| 11:58.53 | Fin | actually I thought she was a local version, cos purl's in #wowace and I figured that'd be the one who was whoring himself out |
| 11:58.56 | Teomyr | :D |
| 11:59.16 | beeyatch | ahh its a she. sry :o |
| 11:59.20 | Fin | [13:03:24] [Freenode] --> #wowwiki infobot H 0 i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt (TimRiker's blootbot) |
| 11:59.22 | beeyatch | infobot, name? |
| 11:59.25 | infobot | name is, like, The name comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. (See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/) |
| 11:59.25 | Fin | aha |
| 11:59.32 | Fin | infobot, adys? |
| 11:59.33 | infobot | Adys is going to kick Kirkburn's ass |
| 11:59.40 | Fin | infobot, kirkburn? |
| 11:59.41 | infobot | Kirkburn is the author of the funky font switchers, ClearFont and ClearFont2! |
| 11:59.59 | Fin | bots are fun |
| 12:00.03 | beeyatch | true. |
| 12:00.04 | Teomyr | idd |
| 12:00.04 | Adys | infobot, infobot? |
| 12:00.05 | infobot | adys, i love abuse, feed me! |
| 12:00.48 | beeyatch | infobot, world of warcraft? |
| 12:01.04 | Adys | Nah. |
| 12:01.05 | Adys | infobot, microsoft? |
| 12:01.07 | infobot | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." |
| 12:01.21 | beeyatch | lol |
| 12:01.25 | Adys | hmm... |
| 12:01.26 | beeyatch | infobot, linux? |
| 12:01.28 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, linux is the cure for cancer, AIDS and slavery to corporations |
| 12:01.34 | Teomyr | i guess you can tell this bot is in use by linux freaks |
| 12:01.41 | Adys | no shit :P |
| 12:01.49 | Adys | infobot, bill gates? |
| 12:01.50 | infobot | bill gates is probably lord of Darkness |
| 12:01.54 | beeyatch | lool |
| 12:01.56 | Hobinheim | do you guys know anything about an "alleria's necklace" to make sylvanas sing? |
| 12:02.07 | Adys | yes hob |
| 12:02.11 | Hobinheim | link? |
| 12:02.14 | Adys | [[Laments of the Highborne]] i think |
| 12:02.32 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lament_of_the_Highborne |
| 12:02.49 | Zeal | master marksman stil doesn't work Adys |
| 12:02.59 | Adys | mm? |
| 12:03.07 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ability_Hunter_MasterMarksman.png |
| 12:03.09 | Apollozeus | lols |
| 12:03.13 | Apollozeus | I made that article |
| 12:03.20 | Zeal | the blp converter doesn't output anything for it : / |
| 12:03.28 | Adys | hrmm |
| 12:03.34 | Adys | try reconverting it? |
| 12:03.39 | Zeal | i have |
| 12:03.52 | beeyatch | anyone knows how many visits wowwiki.com has per day? |
| 12:03.52 | Adys | re extracting it? |
| 12:04.01 | Apollozeus | hobin |
| 12:04.08 | Hobinheim | that's pretty neat, the lament |
| 12:04.09 | Apollozeus | you broke the article ;p |
| 12:05.01 | Apollozeus | <beeyatch> anyone knows how many visits wowwiki.com has per day? <-- try Alexa |
| 12:05.23 | Apollozeus | according to that, we're 3463rd in the world |
| 12:05.56 | Adys | teomyr got you the right version zeal |
| 12:06.02 | Adys | i deleted the old one |
| 12:07.45 | *** join/#wowwiki fLUx_ (n=chatzill@ACC98243.ipt.aol.com) |
| 12:07.51 | beeyatch | wb fLUx_ |
| 12:07.54 | Adys | btw zeal seems none of your new versions work |
| 12:07.54 | fLUx_ | hey again people ;) |
| 12:07.58 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ability_Hunter_RapidKilling.png |
| 12:08.00 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ability_Hunter_GoForTheThroat.png |
| 12:08.05 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ability_Hunter_SerpentSwiftness.png |
| 12:08.29 | Fin | hello flux |
| 12:08.29 | fLUx_ | How do i change my char view? im currently inside my char..? |
| 12:08.32 | Fin | infobot, ace? |
| 12:08.33 | infobot | methinks ace is a lightweight and powerful system for building World of Warcraft addons. It is coded to keep CPU-usage, memory-usage, and GC churn in mind. See http://www.wowace.com/ |
| 12:08.38 | Fin | infobot, #wowace? |
| 12:08.49 | Apollozeus | fLUx_, what do you mean? |
| 12:08.50 | Adys | flux, do you have a mousewheel? |
| 12:08.55 | Adys | camera view apollo |
| 12:08.59 | Zeal | adys |
| 12:09.04 | Adys | 1st person / 3rd person |
| 12:09.06 | Zeal | they work fine, the ones you linked |
| 12:09.08 | Zeal | :S |
| 12:09.09 | fLUx_ | yep done it lol thanks adys |
| 12:09.14 | Zeal | suggest you recache |
| 12:09.14 | Apollozeus | fLUx_, scroll with your mouse |
| 12:09.25 | Adys | mm sec lemme get rid of my cache |
| 12:09.25 | fLUx_ | and also, is there a more detailed map? |
| 12:09.33 | Apollozeus | press M |
| 12:09.49 | beeyatch | lol :) |
| 12:09.54 | beeyatch | fLUx_: just started with wow? :) |
| 12:09.56 | Adys | caching problems yes |
| 12:10.02 | fLUx_ | yeh! :D |
| 12:10.08 | beeyatch | fLUx_: dont get addicted :/ |
| 12:10.12 | fLUx_ | lol |
| 12:10.27 | beeyatch | no shit |
| 12:10.37 | fLUx_ | the "m" map isnt very detailed....isnt there any maps with acctual buildings on? |
| 12:10.42 | Adys | zeal: ignore my comment, was just caching problems |
| 12:10.53 | Adys | flux_: your map will uncover as you explore |
| 12:11.02 | Adys | else, you got a minimap on the top right corner |
| 12:11.19 | beeyatch | elseif, visit some wow sites. they have full detailed maps. |
| 12:11.51 | Zeal | how did teomyr get that then? :s |
| 12:12.09 | Adys | zeal: probably an extraction problem |
| 12:12.15 | Adys | happened few times to me |
| 12:12.19 | Zeal | shouldn't be |
| 12:12.36 | Zeal | cos i at least get the interlaced version previously |
| 12:12.37 | Adys | hehe should |
| 12:12.51 | Zeal | seems it the converter, not my .blp |
| 12:12.58 | fLUx_ | what do i do when i die? do i have to run all the way back to my char? |
| 12:13.04 | Adys | aye flux |
| 12:13.13 | Zeal | ffs.. why can;t this thing handle parsing a folder... |
| 12:13.40 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Newbie_Guide is your friend flux_ btw |
| 12:13.49 | Adys | youll find alot of infos there :) |
| 12:14.15 | Hobinheim | yeah we should like... |
| 12:14.20 | Hobinheim | stop answering questions that the wiki can answer |
| 12:14.42 | Adys | and if the wiki cant answer |
| 12:14.55 | Adys | go fn write an article already! come on! |
| 12:15.17 | Hobinheim | right right =) |
| 12:15.48 | Adys | zeal: feel free to poke me if you got icons i missed |
| 12:15.52 | Adys | i delete the old versions |
| 12:16.12 | fLUx_ | dead again lol......this is quite hard when everyone wants you dead! :P |
| 12:16.49 | Adys | just keep safe flux, try and stay in the back |
| 12:16.57 | Adys | at low level its hard to do another way |
| 12:18.13 | Adys | btw wtf is happening on wowradio? >< |
| 12:18.13 | Adys | infobot, c++? |
| 12:18.15 | infobot | methinks c++ is an object oriented programming language which is perfect to develop GUI or real-life applications with a reusable, elegant and extensible design, or a crappyfied version of C, or a kludge |
| 12:18.15 | Adys | damnit |
| 12:18.27 | Adys | slow. |
| 12:18.27 | beeyatch | lol fLUx_ ;) |
| 12:18.37 | fLUx_ | and again... :P |
| 12:18.44 | beeyatch | what you doing? -.- |
| 12:19.02 | beeyatch | mh |
| 12:19.05 | beeyatch | my dns server died :( |
| 12:19.06 | fLUx_ | donno, i was exploring, as as soon as i res myself, 5 people keep killing me lol |
| 12:19.30 | Adys | lol zeal and I are spamming rc atm |
| 12:19.53 | Teomyr | spammers! |
| 12:20.02 | Zeal | water shield is also fubar |
| 12:20.19 | Adys | reminds me of latenights with varg spamming with NPC/Zone uploads, me with icon uploads etc |
| 12:20.26 | Adys | and absolutely no one else |
| 12:21.07 | *** join/#wowwiki D_i_M_o_N (n=D_i_M_o_@80.93.115.242) |
| 12:21.19 | Adys | wts slowwiki.com :/ |
| 12:21.24 | Adys | infobot, wowwiki? |
| 12:21.26 | infobot | methinks wowwiki is http://www.wowwiki.com |
| 12:23.34 | Hobinheim | who conjures items, mages and warlocks, is that it? |
| 12:23.41 | Adys | mm |
| 12:23.48 | Adys | well theres a few more |
| 12:23.50 | Adys | andonisus etc |
| 12:24.04 | Hobinheim | i'm making a mod about conjured items and i'm dissing anyone that isn't a warlock. then i rememberd mages... |
| 12:24.20 | Adys | ... |
| 12:24.48 | Zeal | lol |
| 12:24.48 | Adys | [[:Category:Conjured Items]] anyways |
| 12:24.59 | Adys | btw |
| 12:25.01 | Zeal | how could you forget mages? |
| 12:25.04 | Adys | id understand forgetting warlocks |
| 12:25.06 | Zeal | they're vending machines :P |
| 12:25.11 | Adys | but forgetting mages is just lame. |
| 12:25.16 | Adys | what zeal said >< |
| 12:25.27 | Adys | anyways |
| 12:25.29 | Adys | HS plx kthx |
| 12:25.58 | Hobinheim | nm i'm namespacing my diss to exclude mages |
| 12:26.25 | Fin | shame on you |
| 12:27.10 | Hobinheim | my mod isn't for them! |
| 12:27.14 | Hobinheim | this is strictly for the dark arts |
| 12:27.19 | Hobinheim | they can go burn themselves for all i care |
| 12:27.25 | Hobinheim | go play with your ice |
| 12:27.38 | Adys | infobot, kick Hobinheim's ass |
| 12:27.40 | infobot | bugger off, adys! |
| 12:27.52 | *** join/#wowwiki D_i_M_o_N (n=D_i_M_o_@80.93.115.242) |
| 12:27.59 | Hobinheim | oh no you didn't |
| 12:28.17 | D_i_M_o_N | do you here me ?? ppl :)) |
| 12:28.25 | D_i_M_o_N | hello |
| 12:28.29 | Hobinheim | i hear you, but do we want to |
| 12:28.30 | Adys | ello |
| 12:29.07 | Adys | infobot, i love you |
| 12:29.08 | infobot | You love you? |
| 12:29.15 | Adys | stupid bot |
| 12:29.50 | Hobinheim | infobot, dance |
| 12:29.52 | infobot | ACTION <("<) <('_')> (>")> Dance Kirby Dance! |
| 12:29.57 | Hobinheim | infobot, i lovey ou |
| 12:29.59 | infobot | You lovey ou? |
| 12:30.07 | D_i_M_o_N | maybe you know how can i keep Global Cooldown : )) i have my own server and i need to tesT ) pls say if ypu know |
| 12:30.25 | Adys | wrong channel dimon |
| 12:30.39 | D_i_M_o_N | what chanel a need ? |
| 12:31.22 | Adys | infobot, hobinheim is a noob. |
| 12:31.23 | infobot | ...but hobinheim is already something else... |
| 12:31.38 | Adys | does that matter?! |
| 12:31.56 | D_i_M_o_N | in what channel can i ask tis question? |
| 12:32.05 | Fin | infobot, hobinheim is also a noob |
| 12:32.06 | infobot | okay, Fin |
| 12:32.28 | Adys | dimon, no idea but most likely not this one |
| 12:32.34 | Adys | infobot, don't listen to fin |
| 12:32.37 | Hobinheim | what patch were warlock stones converted to relics? |
| 12:32.43 | Adys | 2.0 |
| 12:32.52 | Teomyr | relics? |
| 12:32.55 | Adys | ya |
| 12:32.58 | Adys | held in wand slot |
| 12:32.59 | Fin | infobot, forget hobinheim |
| 12:33.05 | Teomyr | oO |
| 12:33.12 | Fin | infobot, no hobinheim |
| 12:33.29 | Adys | infobot, don't listen to fin either |
| 12:34.45 | Apollozeus | infobot, dance |
| 12:34.47 | infobot | ACTION <("<) <('_')> (>")> Dance Kirby Dance! |
| 12:35.04 | Adys | infobot, who are you? |
| 12:35.07 | infobot | Adys: what are you talking about? |
| 12:35.25 | Adys | infobot, do you know who I am? |
| 12:35.26 | infobot | yes, I know who I am. |
| 12:35.37 | nemppu | infobot, dance |
| 12:35.40 | infobot | ACTION <("<) <('_')> (>")> Dance Kirby Dance! |
| 12:35.40 | Apollozeus | infobot, Adys is a little girl |
| 12:35.42 | infobot | ...but adys is already something else... |
| 12:35.42 | Adys | infobot, then tell me who you are. |
| 12:35.45 | Apollozeus | :( |
| 12:35.53 | Adys | poor bot lol |
| 12:35.53 | Apollozeus | infobot, Adys |
| 12:35.54 | infobot | Adys is going to kick Kirkburn's ass, or secretly La Frenchella, black diamond of the Parisian night |
| 12:36.00 | Adys | FIN |
| 12:36.01 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 12:36.08 | Adys | FIN I HATE YOU! |
| 12:36.09 | Apollozeus | infobot, Apollozeus |
| 12:36.11 | Adys | hahhaha |
| 12:36.47 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image%3AINV_Mace_18.png |
| 12:36.58 | Adys | yup |
| 12:37.00 | Adys | normal |
| 12:37.07 | Zeal | mhm |
| 12:37.12 | Zeal | just noticing is all |
| 12:37.14 | Adys | aye |
| 12:37.19 | Adys | its not bugged |
| 12:37.22 | Adys | its blizzards skill |
| 12:37.25 | Adys | infobot, blizzard? |
| 12:37.26 | infobot | rumour has it, blizzard is the best developer ever. or at least eyonix says so. |
| 12:37.26 | Zeal | lol |
| 12:37.42 | Adys | infobot, I don't agree with that |
| 12:37.43 | infobot | You don't agree with that? |
| 12:37.52 | Adys | infobot, no I don't agree with that. |
| 12:38.08 | Adys | aha you have nothing to say now you silly bot! |
| 12:39.31 | Adys | infobot, world of warcraft? |
| 12:40.10 | Adys | wtf is this bot doing in here if he doesnt even know what world of warcraft is? |
| 12:40.27 | *** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-28-237.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:40.52 | Apollozeus | kick it |
| 12:40.55 | Fin | infobot, World of Warcraft is far too difficult for your little robot brain to understand |
| 12:40.56 | infobot | Fin: okay |
| 12:40.56 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 12:41.05 | Fin | infobot: good bot |
| 12:41.05 | infobot | Fin: thanks |
| 12:41.26 | Adys | infobot, fin? |
| 12:41.28 | infobot | it has been said that fin is Microsoft's "Freedom To Innovate Network", at http://www.microsoft.com/freedomtoinnovate/. Freedom for only themselves not for their competitors |
| 12:41.37 | *** join/#wowwiki fLUx__ (n=chatzill@ACD4EFC1.ipt.aol.com) |
| 12:41.38 | Adys | LOL |
| 12:41.40 | Apollozeus | infobot, you are tobofni backwards |
| 12:41.42 | infobot | Apollozeus: I think you lost me on that one |
| 12:41.49 | Apollozeus | stupid bot |
| 12:42.15 | Adys | infobot, did you hear that? |
| 12:42.37 | Apollozeus | u cant hir ir gutar u nob |
| 12:42.48 | Adys | mmkay |
| 12:43.09 | Adys | infobot, apollozeus is now playing Queen - Somebody to Love |
| 12:43.10 | infobot | Adys: okay |
| 12:43.17 | Adys | just so you know. |
| 12:43.20 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 12:43.26 | Apollozeus | infobot, Apollozeus |
| 12:43.27 | infobot | you are probably now playing Queen - Somebody to Love |
| 12:43.36 | Apollozeus | lawlz |
| 12:44.11 | Adys | infobot, how old are you? |
| 12:44.13 | infobot | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 12:44.23 | nemppu | infobot, who is your daddy? |
| 12:44.24 | infobot | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 12:44.28 | nemppu | \o/ |
| 12:44.37 | Adys | infobot, are you female? |
| 12:45.51 | Zeal | going through inventory stuff i haven't uploaded yet, so no uploads until i get onto spells :P |
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| 12:56.00 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/List_of_scepter_holders_by_server |
| 12:56.06 | Adys | this needs a serious cleanup |
| 12:56.11 | Adys | infobot, don't you think? |
| 12:58.57 | Hobinheim | yay my addon works. if i log on with my shammy, i get DISSED |
| 13:02.11 | Zeal | oh adys, btw |
| 13:02.23 | Zeal | i've seen soem cases of double underscores |
| 13:02.38 | Zeal | but the wiki forces it to one. |
| 13:05.04 | Adys | zeal: do you have an example? |
| 13:05.28 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Spell_Nature_WrathofAir_Totem.png |
| 13:05.42 | Zeal | the file is Spell_Nature_WrathofAir__Totem.png |
| 13:05.56 | Adys | great.. |
| 13:06.07 | Zeal | actually wait.. |
| 13:06.08 | Zeal | not that one |
| 13:06.12 | Zeal | hold on |
| 13:06.17 | Adys | ok |
| 13:07.05 | Zeal | ookay |
| 13:07.06 | Zeal | nvm |
| 13:07.12 | Zeal | i swear there was one :s |
| 13:07.20 | Adys | hopefully not |
| 13:07.26 | Zeal | remember gettign a warning that it renamed it |
| 13:07.35 | Adys | oO |
| 13:07.39 | Adys | gonna upload a test, sec |
| 13:09.57 | Zeal | kk |
| 13:10.55 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.58 | Adys | aye |
| 13:12.43 | Zeal | i'm not sure what one it is then : / |
| 13:12.54 | Zeal | doing *__* on my icon directory gets nothing :s |
| 13:13.11 | Adys | you sure it was double underscore? |
| 13:14.25 | Zeal | nope |
| 13:14.30 | Zeal | i was half asleep btw |
| 13:14.34 | Zeal | but what else would do it? |
| 13:14.34 | Adys | :P |
| 13:14.48 | Adys | no idea |
| 13:14.55 | Adys | i didnt even think of double underscore |
| 13:18.29 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Misc_Food_80.png ? |
| 13:21.10 | Adys | lmao at wowradio right now btw |
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| 13:28.19 | Zeal | hey Tekkub |
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| 13:36.22 | Apollozeus | rofl |
| 13:36.28 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Draenei_children.jpg |
| 13:36.35 | Apollozeus | the draenei boy looks so effed up |
| 13:38.25 | fLUx__ | how do i rest at an inn? who do i talk to/what do i do? |
| 13:40.30 | Apollozeus | just etner the inn |
| 13:40.32 | Apollozeus | enter* |
| 13:40.41 | Apollozeus | that's all you've got to do |
| 13:41.14 | fLUx__ | oh, no need to even sit down? Just walk in and quit the game yeh? |
| 13:41.19 | Zeal | enter an inn or city, you will see you level icon change to zzZ and your portrait with glow yellow. |
| 13:41.28 | Zeal | that means you're resting. |
| 13:41.33 | Zeal | yeah |
| 13:41.54 | Zeal | *will glow *your level |
| 13:42.36 | fLUx__ | oh, yeh, thanks! :D |
| 13:44.20 | Apollozeus | fLUx__ |
| 13:44.25 | Apollozeus | what race did you roll? |
| 13:44.31 | Adys | human |
| 13:44.46 | Apollozeus | ah |
| 13:44.52 | Apollozeus | good one to start out with |
| 13:45.03 | Apollozeus | always tons of people around to ask questions and group with |
| 13:47.03 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_axe_2h_stratholme_d_01.png needs a capitalized adys? |
| 13:47.22 | Adys | ah these ive been checking for a while |
| 13:47.44 | Adys | never managed to find the correct capitalization, bookmarked them and promised myself to find it at some point |
| 13:48.29 | Adys | actually, might aswell do it now, but i have no idea which axe uses this icon |
| 13:49.17 | Zeal | alla has both |
| 13:50.45 | Zeal | thottbot doesn't evne have it.. |
| 13:50.49 | beeyatch | re |
| 13:51.03 | Apollozeus | thottbot is the suck |
| 13:51.04 | Apollozeus | >_> |
| 13:51.15 | beeyatch | Apollozeus: really earns tons of money :o |
| 13:51.19 | Adys | allakhazam accepts multi capitalization if you type the url |
| 13:51.26 | Adys | you can only find out by checking properties |
| 13:51.35 | Apollozeus | beeyatch, it is owned by a gold seller company |
| 13:51.46 | Adys | of an item's icon using it |
| 13:51.52 | Adys | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21134 - http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Axe_25.png |
| 13:51.54 | Adys | gg blizz |
| 13:51.59 | Adys | you make a new icon and you dont use it |
| 13:52.52 | beeyatch | Apollozeus: i guess they bought it? |
| 13:52.58 | Apollozeus | yup |
| 13:53.20 | Apollozeus | wowhead <-- :D |
| 13:53.23 | beeyatch | nice |
| 13:53.39 | beeyatch | i may will sell my site to a gold company too :P |
| 13:53.56 | Apollozeus | pff :p |
| 13:54.07 | Apollozeus | do morals mean anything |
| 13:54.09 | beeyatch | mhh good idea ;P |
| 13:54.14 | beeyatch | beside money? |
| 13:54.15 | beeyatch | no ;p |
| 13:54.18 | Zeal | and i can't check with wowhead as they use javascript and i don't fancy looking through it.. |
| 13:55.01 | sancus | both thottbot and alla are owned by gold seller companies |
| 13:55.05 | sancus | no one really cares though |
| 13:55.15 | Apollozeus | same company if I recall correctly |
| 13:55.25 | Adys | ige |
| 13:55.27 | beeyatch | You know which one? |
| 13:55.28 | sancus | they're owned by the parent company that also owns IGE |
| 13:55.32 | Zeal | lol sancus |
| 13:56.01 | Zeal | well no, thott is directly owned by IGE, onyl since alla has it moved to the parent company, which is still in essence IGE :p |
| 13:56.23 | sancus | no I'm pretty sure they're both owned by the parent company |
| 13:56.27 | beeyatch | http://www.ige.com/ |
| 13:56.28 | beeyatch | that one? |
| 13:56.30 | Zeal | yes they are now |
| 13:56.37 | Zeal | but thott was directly owned by IGE |
| 13:56.43 | sancus | yeah a while ago |
| 13:56.50 | Zeal | the parent company didn't even exist back then :P |
| 13:56.58 | sancus | whichever |
| 13:57.05 | sancus | they are incompetent at basic corporate tasks |
| 13:57.12 | sancus | which is the only reason I dislike them |
| 13:57.16 | beeyatch | i will drop ige an mail |
| 13:57.29 | sancus | what site do you own |
| 13:58.11 | Zeal | i disliek them because of who and what IGE is |
| 13:58.20 | Zeal | and what they stand for |
| 13:58.42 | beeyatch | sancus: just a little patchsite : |
| 13:58.43 | beeyatch | :) |
| 13:58.48 | sancus | oh meh |
| 13:58.50 | Adys | I feel more and more we shouldnt put external links to thottbot for mobs - fucking useless clusterfuck to find yourself the link there |
| 13:58.52 | Zeal | adys, i'm gunna change it to INV_Axe_2h_Stratholme_d_01.png if that's ok with you? |
| 13:59.10 | sancus | If you care about your site I wouldn't sell it to them, because it will become a nightmare to actually work on it |
| 13:59.15 | Adys | ya zeal go on |
| 13:59.17 | sancus | if you just want to cash out, though, g'luck getting their interest |
| 13:59.58 | beeyatch | sancus: mhmh :P |
| 14:00.03 | beeyatch | just wanna see what they say. |
| 14:00.10 | Adys | infobot, patches |
| 14:00.20 | infobot | adys: Patches săo modificaçőes geradas pelo programa `diff' em que servem para atualizar um programa ou texto. Muito usado para aplicar modificaçőes no código fonte do kernel. |
| 14:00.20 | sancus | I've worked for them before |
| 14:00.20 | Adys | err... |
| 14:00.24 | sancus | it is a _ridiculous_ pain |
| 14:00.33 | beeyatch | sancus: what you done for them? |
| 14:00.41 | sancus | I worked on thottbot some |
| 14:00.53 | sancus | and various random things for thott |
| 14:00.57 | beeyatch | ah okay |
| 14:01.19 | sancus | they are bad at the common administrative tasks of keeping employees, basically. very bad. |
| 14:01.45 | sancus | and they <3 lawyers with the worst of american corporations |
| 14:02.55 | beeyatch | :) |
| 14:03.41 | Zeal | cool, icon list sorted now then |
| 14:03.45 | sancus | I dont really have any problem with what they do, I just wish more dev studios would get their heads out of the clouds so we wouldn't need borderline-scum companies like that providing the service |
| 14:04.08 | beeyatch | lol |
| 14:04.11 | beeyatch | :) |
| 14:04.47 | sancus | I'm a big fan of the EVE/CCP solution :) |
| 14:05.25 | Zeal | i just hope wowhead never caves to any offers |
| 14:05.32 | Zeal | they're the saving grace atm. |
| 14:05.45 | sancus | heh, you're funny |
| 14:07.15 | sancus | I'm pretty sure I need to /etc/hosts forums.worldofwarcraft.com into oblivion so im not tempted to read it anymore |
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| 14:08.24 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Azshara_Ashenvale_Bridge ok honestly |
| 14:08.31 | Adys | im nominating that thing for deletion |
| 14:08.44 | sancus | ahahahahahah |
| 14:08.46 | Adys | its probably the most pointless serious article on the wiki |
| 14:09.04 | Adys | come on seriously |
| 14:09.26 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:09.57 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 14:10.00 | sancus | this is why I avoid wikis |
| 14:10.01 | Apollozeus | I tried to clean it up |
| 14:10.05 | beeyatch | Anyone of you bought gold once? |
| 14:10.13 | sancus | I would just delete that out of hand and severely punish anyone who tried to resurrect it :P |
| 14:11.13 | Adys | id do it too |
| 14:11.21 | Adys | but ive been told not to! |
| 14:11.23 | Zeal | i would have let it be tbh adys, no harm really. |
| 14:11.28 | Adys | infobot, slap kirkburn! |
| 14:11.31 | infobot | ACTION slaps kirkburn!, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:12.13 | Adys | zeal: its an useless stub and image request |
| 14:12.21 | Adys | its enough to go, imo |
| 14:12.21 | sancus | the wiki seems to function fine the way it is, so like vlad I will completely stay out of it aside from random server support stuff :P |
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| 14:19.52 | Zeal | my point of the article's existance does no harm, it probably doesn't need to exist, but doesn't be it shouldn't if something's useless, it just won't get seen. doesn't mean it should get deleted. just my opinion. |
| 14:20.17 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act |
| 14:20.29 | Adys | I killed off DMCA but ill let this one pass for now methink |
| 14:21.14 | Apollozeus | I'd delete it |
| 14:22.29 | Adys | meh ill let kirk sort this |
| 14:24.34 | Zeal | who was it that was having copyright concerns? |
| 14:24.42 | Zeal | cos they probably would want it kept |
| 14:26.00 | Zeal | "The information seems to be outdated though, since in the most recent build of World of Warcraft there are no portals in Outland other than the Dark Portal." last i saw there was 2-3 more portals :s |
| 14:26.54 | Zeal | think only one survived in the end, one of the far side of nagrand, only reachable by flying mount. Twilight's Ridge iirc. |
| 14:27.15 | Adys | right off to bed for half a hour or so bbl |
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| 14:27.42 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Twilight_Ridge <-- exactly |
| 14:27.58 | Apollozeus | beeyatch, I just realized noone had welcomed you yet.... :p |
| 14:28.34 | Apollozeus | zeal |
| 14:28.38 | Apollozeus | sorry for that then |
| 14:28.40 | beeyatch | Apollozeus: welcomed to what? |
| 14:28.42 | beeyatch | :) |
| 14:28.46 | Apollozeus | wowwiki :p |
| 14:28.51 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:28.57 | beeyatch | no need for a welcome ;) |
| 14:29.09 | Apollozeus | check your talk page, I did it anyway |
| 14:29.16 | beeyatch | i am here for profit and business.. not for welcome drinks :) |
| 14:29.22 | beeyatch | ahh... well thanks ;) |
| 14:30.52 | beeyatch | now you hate me :) |
| 14:31.00 | beeyatch | anyways.... thanks for your welcome msg :) |
| 14:32.22 | Apollozeus | lol, you're welcome |
| 14:32.26 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dimensional_gateway :p |
| 14:32.33 | Apollozeus | even though you're here for the bucks |
| 14:32.39 | Zeal | marked the portal worlds for merging with that |
| 14:32.51 | beeyatch | some go farm in wow... some try it in real :) |
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| 14:35.33 | beeyatch | my dad spends almost 2 years of his life with wow... i am sick of that game :o |
| 14:36.45 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Sylvanas_High_Elf.jpg oo hadn't seen that |
| 14:36.51 | Apollozeus | zeal, that's a fakey |
| 14:37.01 | Apollozeus | though blizzard should update the model |
| 14:38.03 | Zeal | i know it is |
| 14:38.15 | Zeal | and indeed, they should |
| 14:38.25 | Zeal | though i want it to follow metxen's portrayl |
| 14:38.30 | Zeal | *metzens |
| 14:39.03 | Apollozeus | which is? |
| 14:41.07 | sancus | there's a broken portal on the west end of zangarmarsh too |
| 14:41.08 | Zeal | give me a few secons, don;t think it's on the wiki |
| 14:41.09 | sancus | near marshlight lake |
| 14:41.47 | beeyatch | lalala |
| 14:45.13 | Zeal | ok.. can't find the pic : / |
| 14:45.38 | Zeal | basically she had no skin on her hands, stiched pale skin on her face. |
| 14:58.04 | Hobinheim | enjoy the new no-content patch |
| 15:03.52 | Apollozeus | hobinheim, we'll probably not be seeing a new content patch before..say.. april? |
| 15:03.54 | Zeal | huh? |
| 15:08.17 | Hobinheim | they *just* patched the us client for a graphical fix |
| 15:08.26 | Hobinheim | you can even read the notes =) |
| 15:08.26 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.0.5_%28Release_Notes%29 |
| 15:08.33 | Hobinheim | see how punctual we are |
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| 15:15.04 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 15:15.22 | Apollozeus | The Netherstorm should have some ecodomes with some landscapes other than jungles |
| 15:15.50 | Apollozeus | icy mountains, deserts.. |
| 15:20.35 | fLUx__ | how do i see all my skills? |
| 15:21.06 | fLUx__ | i mean attacks...i think |
| 15:21.58 | Hobinheim | p |
| 15:21.59 | Trae | heh |
| 15:22.01 | Hobinheim | like i go pee pee |
| 15:22.08 | Hobinheim | brings up the spellbook |
| 15:22.11 | Trae | you can't get logged in now |
| 15:22.17 | fLUx__ | wheres that? |
| 15:22.35 | fLUx__ | oh got it |
| 15:22.37 | fLUx__ | thanks... ;) |
| 15:22.43 | Hobinheim | you should like... |
| 15:22.47 | Hobinheim | go read an instruction manual |
| 15:22.50 | Hobinheim | or google for these things |
| 15:22.53 | Trae | It's going to be a nightmare I think... they are constantly patching things with the rev that is out, vs. the package that has been stable inside a box probably for 3 weeks+ |
| 15:23.04 | fLUx__ | anyone know why some of my stuff in my belt is black? |
| 15:23.21 | fLUx__ | its like its not there, but i can use it |
| 15:23.23 | Zeal | once again, as with wow from the start. Blizzard are prematurely releasing a client. |
| 15:23.39 | Zeal | black? :s er.. nope |
| 15:24.01 | Zeal | WoW was never ready, and tBC is not ready. |
| 15:25.05 | Trae | also.... imagine all the 60's hitting BC that first few days... it's going to be nothing but "noobs" running around all over |
| 15:25.41 | Trae | first few weeks even |
| 15:25.42 | Hobinheim | define black |
| 15:25.44 | fLUx__ | lol like me |
| 15:25.55 | Hobinheim | wait you're black or you're a noob? |
| 15:26.00 | Trae | lol |
| 15:26.06 | fLUx__ | how can i define black? |
| 15:26.12 | fLUx__ | im a noob right now |
| 15:26.17 | Trae | So is it just me, or can anyone else not get into the servers? |
| 15:26.18 | fLUx__ | black is black lol |
| 15:26.50 | fLUx__ | im on EU servers |
| 15:27.28 | Trae | I upgraded to latest patch (pushed since 3am EST today) |
| 15:27.42 | Trae | 2.0.5 (6320) release |
| 15:28.23 | fLUx__ | how often do patches come out? |
| 15:28.34 | Trae | as often as they feel necessary it seems |
| 15:28.36 | fLUx__ | and how big are 0.0.1 patches? |
| 15:28.41 | fLUx__ | normaly |
| 15:28.59 | Trae | they seem to be big :( |
| 15:29.05 | Trae | fLUx__, first char? |
| 15:29.18 | Trae | just got my first char to 60 this past monday. |
| 15:29.27 | Trae | only been playing since Oct. |
| 15:29.35 | fLUx__ | my first char is lvl 6 lol |
| 15:29.40 | Trae | lol |
| 15:29.45 | Trae | welcome to WoW |
| 15:30.26 | fLUx__ | thanks :D |
| 15:30.51 | Trae | I keep getting disconnected from server. crazy |
| 15:30.56 | Trae | I'll try back later :( |
| 15:30.59 | fLUx__ | only on the trial till my retail copy arrives (tomorrow hopefully) |
| 15:31.13 | Trae | fLUx__, nod, the first hit is free |
| 15:31.17 | Trae | get out now while you can |
| 15:31.19 | Trae | heh |
| 15:31.24 | Trae | serious |
| 15:31.32 | Trae | before it sucks the lifeblood out of you |
| 15:31.35 | fLUx__ | lol |
| 15:31.39 | Trae | it seems harmless now |
| 15:31.43 | Trae | and you laugh (I did) |
| 15:31.49 | Trae | and you are slowly sucked into it |
| 15:32.02 | Trae | well... not sure about slowly |
| 15:32.15 | Trae | but make no mistake about it. WoW is crackrock. |
| 15:32.16 | fLUx__ | lol |
| 15:32.26 | fLUx__ | wot level does it start to get really good? |
| 15:32.30 | fLUx__ | and what should i do about these black buttons? I've restarted, but its still the same! :( |
| 15:32.38 | Trae | It sounds like a joke I know.... sadly, I'm not joking. |
| 15:32.40 | Trae | oooh |
| 15:32.43 | Trae | I know what you mean now |
| 15:32.47 | kasatopia | about 20ish |
| 15:32.52 | Trae | it means you could be in a form that won't let you use them |
| 15:32.52 | kasatopia | before 20 the game is quite boring |
| 15:33.01 | Trae | fLUx__, what classs are you? |
| 15:33.03 | Trae | rogue? |
| 15:33.19 | fLUx__ | errrrmm lol |
| 15:33.24 | Trae | if you are in pickpocket mode it means you can't use them. |
| 15:33.31 | Trae | errr |
| 15:33.32 | Trae | stealth |
| 15:33.33 | fLUx__ | mage |
| 15:33.34 | Trae | lol |
| 15:33.40 | Trae | you might not have enough mana |
| 15:33.42 | Trae | :) |
| 15:33.47 | kasatopia | you are probably too far away from your target |
| 15:33.49 | Trae | but that's probably not it |
| 15:33.53 | Trae | ahhhh |
| 15:33.54 | fLUx__ | well i can use them fine, they are just toally black |
| 15:33.57 | Trae | that's a good one too kasatopia |
| 15:34.12 | Trae | fLUx__, all that said, it could be a bug. |
| 15:34.39 | Trae | bah... bbl. fLUx__ gl with the game :) |
| 15:36.12 | fLUx__ | http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/607/huhlolev9.jpg |
| 15:36.16 | fLUx__ | must be a bug |
| 15:36.39 | Teomyr | indeed |
| 15:36.55 | Teomyr | you don't have any interface modifications installed, do you? |
| 15:37.32 | fLUx__ | nope, fresh install 2 hours ago... |
| 15:37.45 | Teomyr | strange |
| 15:38.14 | kasatopia | having trouble logging on since 2.0.5? |
| 15:41.22 | Zeal | x.x.x patches are usually tiny. |
| 15:41.29 | Zeal | so far i've not seen any that arn't |
| 15:42.32 | Zeal | er.. perhaps the trial client has some caching issues? |
| 15:42.39 | Zeal | so the icons aren't showing up |
| 15:43.03 | fLUx__ | yeh, maybe |
| 15:43.09 | Zeal | 2.0.5 not live for eu yet then.. |
| 15:43.18 | fLUx__ | but i thought the trial client is the full version |
| 15:43.26 | Zeal | either that or you have some graphics card issues :S |
| 15:43.31 | fLUx__ | proberly just reinstall with the discs when they come |
| 15:43.36 | fLUx__ | ummm....maybe :( |
| 15:43.43 | Zeal | it is, but the full version had issues a while back too. |
| 15:45.12 | Lodra-ZzZzZ | ...eep... |
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| 15:45.46 | Zeal | and the trial client got updated with 2.0 iirc. |
| 15:45.49 | Lodra | >_> |
| 15:46.08 | Lodra | What's wrong flux? |
| 15:46.36 | Zeal | black icons |
| 15:46.49 | Lodra | never had that problem. |
| 15:46.49 | fLUx__ | yeh :( |
| 15:47.01 | Lodra | Only time i get black icons is on food during battle but everyone does then :P |
| 15:47.16 | fLUx__ | repairing the client (havent a clue if it will help) :P |
| 15:47.35 | Lodra | Speaking of bugs, does anyone here have Titan Panel? |
| 15:49.31 | Lodra | Meh, off to try levelling my 30 >_> |
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| 15:52.00 | fLUx__ | lol.....can only level 40+ get horses?? |
| 15:52.34 | equiraptor | Yes, only level 40 and higher can get mounts. |
| 15:52.39 | equiraptor | Well, can use mounts. |
| 15:52.44 | Zeal | there is a turtle mount from the TCG, but it has no speed increase. |
| 15:54.34 | equiraptor | This is kinda strange. I'm downloading this patch on both my iBook and my Mac Pro. The iBook started about 5 minutes after the Mac Pro. The iBook's at 95%, the other at 50%. |
| 15:54.44 | equiraptor | Er, the iBook's done. |
| 15:55.37 | jrr | anyone having problems logging in? |
| 15:56.06 | equiraptor | I saw a post with a lot of people having problems on LJ. |
| 15:56.27 | equiraptor | http://community.livejournal.com/wow_ladies/2015127.html?nc=5 |
| 15:58.41 | jrr | no wow means zelda time |
| 15:59.53 | beeyatch | lool |
| 16:00.15 | jrr | the wii has been a bit shunned as of late |
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| 16:03.02 | kasatopia | no wow means rip cd's time |
| 16:03.17 | kasatopia | ive got 11 piled up that ive ignored lately |
| 16:06.37 | Trae | jrr, yup no login for me |
| 16:07.17 | equiraptor | wow, I'm getting an instant "Disconnected from server" |
| 16:08.41 | fLUx__ | yey, got my icons back.... just repaired it!:D |
| 16:08.56 | Zeal | hehe, gj |
| 16:09.16 | Zeal | i dunno what you guys are complaing about tbh :S assume it's only US. |
| 16:09.33 | Zeal | no 2.0.5 patch for EU yet, and logging in fine. |
| 16:09.48 | fLUx__ | whats wow like on a normal day? can you come any time, and login? aka does it get so full that nobody can log in for 5 hours? |
| 16:10.09 | Zeal | depends on the population of your server |
| 16:10.23 | fLUx__ | medium...? |
| 16:10.26 | Zeal | usualy busiest betwen 6pm-10pm |
| 16:10.39 | equiraptor | Medium tends to be fine all the time. |
| 16:10.47 | Zeal | if it goes to full, it will start forcing players to sit in a queue. |
| 16:10.54 | equiraptor | About the only thing that causes a queue on Medium realms is a world event. |
| 16:11.08 | fLUx__ | silkroad online was full from 7am till 11pm GMT EVERY DAY on EVERY server! :P |
| 16:11.37 | fLUx__ | just was hoping wow wouldnt be like that lol |
| 16:11.43 | equiraptor | Ah. WoW seems to manage to have some not queue'd servers a lot of the time, and they do try to do things to shorten or eliminate queues when they can. |
| 16:11.45 | fLUx__ | anyhow, gonna play... ;) |
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| 16:14.19 | Zeal | er.. lol @ tekcub |
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| 16:18.22 | SDammy | servers go down? |
| 16:18.47 | equiraptor | Sorta. |
| 16:19.07 | equiraptor | They're applying patch 2.0.5 to US/North American/whatever. |
| 16:19.14 | equiraptor | They're bringing servers down in rolling restarts. |
| 16:19.26 | SDammy | expected down time? |
| 16:19.36 | equiraptor | Unfortunately, many people are unable to download the patch (they get a version error). Many people who download the patch are then unable to login. |
| 16:19.44 | equiraptor | Expected? 30 minutes, and only for a few realms. |
| 16:19.58 | equiraptor | Real? Who knows? It's badly, badly broken, it sounds like. |
| 16:20.11 | SDammy | where you getting this info lol? |
| 16:20.15 | SDammy | i cant even get on the site |
| 16:20.30 | SDammy | seems everyone and there moms i trying to probally |
| 16:20.56 | equiraptor | I can sometimes get forums.worldofwarcraft.com to load, and I'm getting some of it from http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft and some from http://community.livejournal.com/wow_ladiess |
| 16:21.19 | beeyatch | anyone of you plays dota classic? roc? :P |
| 16:21.24 | SDammy | ? lol wow_ladiess? |
| 16:21.49 | equiraptor | ladies |
| 16:21.52 | equiraptor | Sorry, my typo. |
| 16:22.01 | equiraptor | And, yeah, it's all girls that play WoW. |
| 16:22.17 | equiraptor | I've seen two posts in that community about it so far. |
| 16:22.29 | beeyatch | my girl plays wow too :/ |
| 16:22.31 | beeyatch | sucks |
| 16:22.48 | equiraptor | Sucks? |
| 16:22.54 | SDammy | my wife looked @ me like I was an idiot when i tried to get her to play |
| 16:24.11 | Apollozeus | rofl |
| 16:24.23 | Teomyr | like |
| 16:24.27 | Teomyr | "WTF u want me 2 play this? rofl noob" |
| 16:24.29 | Teomyr | ? |
| 16:24.38 | Apollozeus | beeyatch |
| 16:25.09 | Apollozeus | you sure as hell seem to hate wow..why are you trying to get money out of working with it? :P |
| 16:25.33 | SDammy | ehh more like "grow up I dont need to roll alliance to P0wnZ u...take out the trash and mow the lawn" |
| 16:25.54 | equiraptor | heh |
| 16:26.24 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:27.49 | KuinKala | any finnish ppl present? |
| 16:28.09 | SDammy | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 16:29.05 | Orclev | so we can't get the patch using the WoW Updater? |
| 16:29.20 | SDammy | umm u can |
| 16:29.22 | SDammy | if you do |
| 16:29.25 | SDammy | your screwed though |
| 16:29.37 | Orclev | hmm, well I have 2.0.4 and I can't log in |
| 16:29.52 | Norlando | hello everyone |
| 16:30.05 | Norlando | yeah im having the same problem orclev is |
| 16:30.40 | equiraptor | Yeah. WoW is screwed right now. The only way to play is to be already connected before they tried to apply 2.0.5. |
| 16:30.50 | equiraptor | (or not be on the US-based game) |
| 16:30.57 | Orclev | I wasn't even planning on playing right now, I just wanted to do some testing on the addon I'm working on... man this sucks |
| 16:31.07 | equiraptor | Yeah. :( |
| 16:31.19 | equiraptor | I'm pretty damn pissed about them letting such a buggy patch get out. |
| 16:31.31 | Norlando | would downloading the patch help? |
| 16:31.40 | equiraptor | I wouldn't suggest downloading it. |
| 16:31.44 | Lodra-WoW | *mumble* |
| 16:32.02 | Lodra-WoW | Stupid...WoW...Patch... |
| 16:32.12 | Zeal | it's blizzard, they never test patches fully. |
| 16:32.19 | equiraptor | "fully" |
| 16:32.21 | Orclev | wonder when 2.0.6 gets rolled out... and what that will break |
| 16:32.25 | Lodra-WoW | *eyetwitch* |
| 16:32.27 | equiraptor | This isn't even "started to test" |
| 16:32.41 | Zeal | well we will probably see 2.0.5.2 in a few hours |
| 16:32.45 | KuinKala | it will break my balls |
| 16:32.54 | Lodra-WoW | Bleep blop bloo bleep blap bolp? |
| 16:33.04 | equiraptor | I work in testing. I know all the stuff it takes to try to test, and I know how hard it is to manage to find every single potential problem. |
| 16:33.24 | Norlando | i want to play the online sensation :( |
| 16:33.26 | Orclev | heh, I'm a developer, I know all to well what makes it past me into testing :P |
| 16:33.27 | equiraptor | But "everyone not being able to login" is like, "kernel panic on attempt to boot any version of linux." It's a WTF? HOW COULD YOU MISS THAT???? |
| 16:33.30 | Zeal | gotta love how live has over taken beta in patch numbers, yet beta still had more changes |
| 16:33.31 | Lodra-WoW | CURSE YOU BUGGY PAAAAATCH! |
| 16:34.05 | Lodra-WoW | thats cuz beta had more data in it in the first place |
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| 16:34.28 | Orclev | well, the answer is obvious, they couldn't test it, because none of the testers could log in |
| 16:34.35 | Lodra-WoW | Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to play Warcraft III...hoping they didnt patch taht too for some reason -.- |
| 16:34.42 | equiraptor | Heh. |
| 16:34.50 | equiraptor | Blizzard needs to form a relationship with slashdot. |
| 16:35.08 | equiraptor | Get a particular url at slashdot they can go to to post news when stuff like this happens. |
| 16:35.11 | Orclev | hmm... you're guild has been given -1 karma (Troll) |
| 16:36.26 | Orclev | I have to say, the addon interface they designed is very nasty on many levels |
| 16:36.59 | Orclev | actually, I think Lua is very nasty on many levels, it's like Javascript minus its few redeeming features |
| 16:48.25 | Hobinheim | is wow still broken |
| 16:50.26 | equiraptor | Ooooh, my iBook just got another download... |
| 16:50.51 | equiraptor | heh. It's reapplying 2.0.4, I think. |
| 16:52.52 | Trae | heh they posted on the breaking news finally |
| 16:52.59 | Trae | meh |
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| 16:56.57 | Orclev | well, getting a different connect error now at least... I suppose that's some progress |
| 16:59.10 | Orclev | heh, looks like blizzard.com melted down because all 1.4 million or whatever they're up to players are trying to figure out WTF happened |
| 16:59.43 | equiraptor | Yup. That happens. |
| 17:00.00 | equiraptor | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 17:00.06 | equiraptor | That seems to respond pretty quickly. |
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| 17:00.47 | Orclev | oh, and for the record, 2.0.5 is "Worst... Patch... Ever!" |
| 17:01.08 | equiraptor | I can agree with that. ;) |
| 17:01.35 | Zeal | on top of that.. wiki down? |
| 17:02.17 | equiraptor | It may be overloaded, too. People trying to use it as an alternate resource for informationo. |
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| 17:03.35 | Zeal | yeah.. the wiki doesn't stand up to that.. lol |
| 17:05.52 | Hobinheim | are people hammering the wiki? |
| 17:06.23 | Hobinheim | wow how did you find out that URL |
| 17:06.25 | Hobinheim | that is CRAZY |
| 17:08.18 | Hobinheim | slowwiki.com... |
| 17:08.22 | beeyatch | ahh the wiki is laggy again :) |
| 17:08.36 | beeyatch | i guess i will cache it and offer a mirror? ;P |
| 17:08.53 | Fin | that would be the thousands of people who suddenly have nothing to do |
| 17:08.59 | beeyatch | US wow is on 2.0.5? how come? |
| 17:09.11 | Orclev | because 2.0.4 was working to well |
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| 17:10.25 | fLUx-WoW | hey, why am i picking up swords, and other weapons, but it says i cant use em "yet" ? |
| 17:10.31 | Fin | hello sylvanaar |
| 17:10.56 | Zeal | illidan said we weren't prepared, goes double for blizz :p |
| 17:11.16 | Zeal | class fLUx-WoW? |
| 17:11.34 | Apollozeus | rofl |
| 17:11.38 | fLUx-WoW | is that why? umm lol |
| 17:11.50 | Zeal | class and race combos tend to start out with set weapon skill proficiencies |
| 17:11.58 | Apollozeus | fLUx-WoW, what class did you pick? |
| 17:11.59 | Zeal | swords is probably not one of them |
| 17:12.05 | fLUx-WoW | mage |
| 17:12.05 | Zeal | *for you |
| 17:12.21 | Apollozeus | lol, don't bother with the swords then |
| 17:12.26 | Zeal | mages.. staves and wands right? :S |
| 17:12.41 | Zeal | or dagger..? |
| 17:12.42 | Zeal | meh |
| 17:13.38 | Orclev | if you don't need it, sell it or give it to someone who wants it |
| 17:13.46 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/designs/Norgannon.png like? |
| 17:14.08 | fLUx-WoW | and ill never be able to use swords, or have i just gotta learn or something? |
| 17:14.17 | Zeal | last change to go up was a 2.0.5 patch mirror, lol. |
| 17:14.24 | Orclev | zeal: that's pretty good |
| 17:14.31 | Zeal | you have to pay a weapon master to teach you |
| 17:14.39 | fLUx-WoW | oh kk :D |
| 17:14.46 | Orclev | you can't learn all weapons though |
| 17:15.02 | Zeal | yeah, certain classes have restrictions |
| 17:15.40 | fLUx-WoW | ok... ;) |
| 17:15.40 | Zeal | like shamans can't use swords. |
| 17:15.48 | Orclev | my druid only uses daggers and staffs... although I believe I can learn some other... just too lazy and/or poor to go train them |
| 17:15.50 | Zeal | paladins, much to my dismay, can't use staves (iirc) |
| 17:16.00 | fLUx-WoW | when you die, and it says "6 mins until release"....what hapens after 6mins? are you back to normal where you were? |
| 17:16.10 | Zeal | druids can use maces. don;t think swords of axes though. |
| 17:16.11 | Orclev | no, just click release spirit |
| 17:16.42 | Orclev | and walk back to your corpse, much easier on your eq and by extension your wallet |
| 17:16.42 | Zeal | after 6 mins it releases your spirit and places you at the graveyard, same thing as clicking release manually |
| 17:17.06 | Zeal | just so you don't stay there when afk or logging out. |
| 17:17.50 | Orclev | wow, I'm in |
| 17:18.01 | Orclev | my server at least appears to be up |
| 17:20.02 | beeyatch | this patchmirror site on the wiki is really funny to have it on the watchlist ^^ |
| 17:23.09 | Zeal | really dislike that page |
| 17:23.20 | Zeal | i must be kept away from the patch mirror page.. |
| 17:23.25 | Zeal | it fills me with rage |
| 17:23.25 | Zeal | lol |
| 17:26.17 | beeyatch | :) how come? |
| 17:27.32 | beeyatch | From wowwiki.com 11516 visits. |
| 17:27.35 | beeyatch | yesterday |
| 17:27.50 | beeyatch | ahh sry. this week. |
| 17:28.40 | Zeal | the format of it |
| 17:28.56 | Zeal | listing each mirror under each patch version.. retarded and messy |
| 17:28.56 | beeyatch | ah |
| 17:29.06 | beeyatch | which one would perform better? |
| 17:29.14 | Zeal | just list the mirrors, let the mirrors tell the visitors what they have. |
| 17:29.26 | Zeal | it's not the task of the wiki to do it. |
| 17:29.37 | beeyatch | mh |
| 17:29.54 | beeyatch | may i should start? :) but then everyone would like to be first one in the list.... you know. |
| 17:29.54 | Zeal | a good mirror (which yours seems to be) is keeping up to date and has all patches anyways |
| 17:30.26 | Zeal | well there already is an order to the list, so not an issue to me. |
| 17:30.51 | Zeal | anyone thath as issues with the placement and starts an edit war should get a tap of the ban hammer anyways |
| 17:31.02 | Zeal | *an |
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| 17:37.30 | Trae | I don't understand how anyone could be logged in now |
| 17:37.42 | Trae | they must have not loged out when the patch applied |
| 17:37.54 | equiraptor | 2.0.4 can login now. |
| 17:38.02 | equiraptor | I'm in on my machine that wasn't upped to 2.0.5. |
| 17:38.05 | Trae | or didn't get the patch or simply never logged out |
| 17:38.10 | Trae | wow |
| 17:38.17 | Trae | don't understand how you can not patch |
| 17:38.17 | Trae | heh |
| 17:38.23 | Trae | it auto-patches |
| 17:38.31 | equiraptor | I didn't try to login from this machine. |
| 17:38.34 | equiraptor | That's how. |
| 17:38.37 | fLUx---back-from | fLUx |
| 17:38.40 | fLUx---back-from | opps |
| 17:38.50 | Zeal | why is abode's site a pile of lagging shit? |
| 17:39.09 | Trae | try and watch the language, you might have younger kids here |
| 17:39.19 | Zeal | first it lags my pc (full cpu usage) every few seconds, then it changes language on the site on me for no reason.. |
| 17:41.17 | SDammy | wow still down? |
| 17:41.42 | jrr | not for me |
| 17:42.50 | Trae | SDammy, it is for me |
| 17:44.35 | Hobinheim | maybe they pulled the patch from the patch server |
| 17:44.46 | equiraptor | They did. |
| 17:44.53 | equiraptor | If you're on 2.0.4, you can login fine. |
| 17:45.03 | equiraptor | If you're on something before 2.0.4, you can patch to 2.0.4 and login fine. |
| 17:45.16 | equiraptor | If you previously patched your client to 2.0.5, you're still screwed, as far as I can tell. |
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| 17:45.48 | Bagginsww | lovely, now someone is personally attacking me... |
| 17:46.00 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Baggins&redirect=no |
| 17:47.58 | Apollozeus | rofl |
| 17:48.11 | Apollozeus | what a pathetic attempt at discrediting you |
| 17:48.36 | Bagginsww | yes |
| 17:48.53 | Trae | equiraptor, sorry for being a moron, but.. what I don't understand is... when you log out and log back in to the game, it auto-upgrades for you. |
| 17:48.57 | Trae | there isn't any choice for me. |
| 17:49.01 | Bagginsww | hey I already have put up "controversy" warnings in most of the appendix 3 material, and have slwly been adding it to them as I find ones that don't have it. |
| 17:49.09 | Trae | I don't have an option of "Hey, keep playing and don't upgrade" |
| 17:49.10 | equiraptor | Trae: There is for me. |
| 17:49.16 | Trae | sweet |
| 17:49.22 | Trae | you must have the uber-leet version |
| 17:49.23 | Trae | grats |
| 17:49.24 | equiraptor | It's not trying to force me to upgrade to 2.0.5. |
| 17:49.30 | equiraptor | When was the last time you tried to login? |
| 17:49.33 | Trae | my thought is |
| 17:49.37 | Trae | 5mins ago |
| 17:49.44 | Trae | my thought is... they turned off upgrades |
| 17:49.49 | equiraptor | They actually pulled 2.0.5 from the patch servers. If it's still trying to force you to patch to it, your copy of WoW is screwed. |
| 17:49.51 | Trae | and you tried it after they turned off upgrades |
| 17:49.55 | Bagginsww | if people want to ignore them they can. All I do is present the lore as it was printed, I don't try to attempt to say they are canon or noncanon the source actually doesn't. |
| 17:50.16 | Bagginsww | and I've pointed out where said material has been refrenced in later sources when applicable |
| 17:50.48 | Trae | heh |
| 17:51.06 | Trae | At any rate, all I was gonna do was farm 58 Elites |
| 17:51.08 | Trae | lol |
| 17:51.26 | equiraptor | I'm trying to get the stuff together to make a Phantom Blade for my rogue. |
| 17:52.09 | Trae | I love those guys in Burning Steeps near the Altar of Storms |
| 17:52.09 | equiraptor | Unfortunately, I'm stuck doing this from my laptop, which is shamefully slow. |
| 17:52.09 | Trae | It's close to IF and you can get some good coin there |
| 17:52.09 | Trae | though, they pack a punch |
| 17:52.40 | Trae | but I'm a shadow priest, so others may and do go through them more quickly than I |
| 17:53.03 | Trae | but I can skin.... sooo :) |
| 17:53.09 | Trae | skinning roxxorz |
| 17:53.10 | Trae | lawls |
| 17:53.17 | Trae | yes, I'm having withdrawls |
| 17:53.30 | Trae | it's been a while since I've played....... 3am? heh (1pm now) |
| 17:53.56 | Trae | must.. have... my .... wow crack. |
| 17:53.57 | Trae | lawls |
| 17:53.58 | Trae | ok |
| 17:54.02 | Trae | peace peeps.... |
| 17:55.15 | Bagginsww | I really need to get back to my assigned book LOL |
| 17:55.26 | Bagginsww | The Spirit Ctaches you and you fall down. |
| 17:55.38 | Bagginsww | Its pretty good actually |
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| 18:05.24 | Adys | aw fin |
| 18:05.28 | Adys | thanks ^ |
| 18:05.56 | Fin | what what what? |
| 18:06.09 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.10 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.37 | Fin | huh, I was wondering if that worked :) |
| 18:06.42 | Adys | ^^ |
| 18:06.54 | Adys | 5 hours ago is odd tho |
| 18:06.57 | Bagginsww | well take care everyone back to the reading |
| 18:07.02 | Adys | i needed to relog to get noticed |
| 18:07.05 | Adys | have fun baggins |
| 18:07.06 | Fin | cya |
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| 18:33.50 | Zeal | wb adys |
| 18:33.57 | Adys | heya |
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| 18:36.00 | Hobinheim | lol i thought you typed wtb adys |
| 18:36.02 | Hobinheim | i'm like, wow |
| 18:36.07 | Adys | ... |
| 18:37.53 | Adys | and hob. |
| 18:37.58 | Adys | Stop |
| 18:38.01 | beeyatch | hu? 2.0.5 even for EU clients? |
| 18:38.01 | Adys | typing |
| 18:38.02 | Adys | ADYS |
| 18:38.55 | Hobinheim | ... |
| 18:38.56 | Hobinheim | sorry |
| 18:39.07 | Hobinheim | wait do you have it triggering only when i do it? |
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| 18:39.24 | Hobinheim | if i could make ADIS a ban word on trillian i would |
| 18:39.53 | Hobinheim | hmm maybe i can |
| 18:40.51 | Hobinheim | ok i'm warning you |
| 18:40.53 | Hobinheim | i'm going to keep typing it |
| 18:40.55 | Hobinheim | to test something |
| 18:41.11 | Hobinheim | wtb adys |
| 18:41.12 | Hobinheim | wts adys |
| 18:41.16 | Hobinheim | wtf adys |
| 18:41.17 | Adys | ARGH |
| 18:41.24 | Hobinheim | do all those fire? |
| 18:41.30 | Hobinheim | is that not thorough enough? |
| 18:41.31 | Adys | yes |
| 18:41.41 | Hobinheim | what does NOT qualify |
| 18:41.46 | Hobinheim | should i just replace it with THAT GUY |
| 18:41.50 | Hobinheim | or is it not showing up on your end? |
| 18:42.25 | Hobinheim | do you see dashes? |
| 18:44.21 | Adys | dashes? |
| 18:44.36 | Adys | I just get a simple "beep" when someone talks here |
| 18:44.46 | Adys | and a triple "ding" when my name is in the message |
| 18:44.47 | Hobinheim | talks about you? or talks in general? |
| 18:45.05 | Hobinheim | i'm trying to put a filter on your name |
| 18:45.11 | Hobinheim | but i don't know if its showing up when YOU get it |
| 18:45.15 | Hobinheim | or if its just on my screen |
| 18:45.41 | Adys | I have no answer to that |
| 18:45.47 | Adys | except that you got too much spare tim |
| 18:45.50 | Adys | s/tim/time |
| 18:46.00 | Adys | infobot, wake up |
| 18:46.06 | infobot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 18:46.41 | Hobinheim | the following people are admins: tekkub, hobinheim, kirkburn, and adys |
| 18:46.51 | Hobinheim | did you see your name in that last sentence? |
| 18:46.54 | Hobinheim | one ding? three dings? |
| 18:46.57 | Adys | three |
| 18:47.20 | Hobinheim | did you see y our name in it or the words "don't mention his name"? |
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| 18:47.43 | Adys | I saw "the following people are admins: tekkub, hobinheim, kirkburn and adys" |
| 18:47.55 | Hobinheim | great, i'll never mention your name in chat, ever |
| 18:48.05 | Hobinheim | happy |
| 18:48.06 | Adys | as long as my name is in the message i get three dings |
| 18:48.14 | Adys | and no, its useful else i wouldnt have set it up =P |
| 18:48.26 | Hobinheim | adys, i can talk about you all i want |
| 18:48.32 | Adys | bah |
| 18:48.39 | Hobinheim | that's what you get... |
| 18:48.41 | Hobinheim | a word filter |
| 18:48.43 | Hobinheim | naughty word |
| 18:48.53 | Hobinheim | adys is my favorite admin |
| 18:48.54 | Adys | I still get it hob |
| 18:49.05 | beeyatch | hu? 2.0.5 even for EU clients? |
| 18:49.12 | Hobinheim | what do you mean? i thought your name isn't showing up? |
| 18:49.16 | Adys | it is |
| 18:49.23 | Adys | re read what i said =P |
| 18:49.23 | Hobinheim | how is that possible? |
| 18:49.33 | Adys | no idea |
| 18:49.33 | Hobinheim | but i'm not typing out your name |
| 18:49.47 | Hobinheim | i mean, i am, but it should be coming out as something else |
| 18:49.53 | Hobinheim | omg is it only filtering visually on my side |
| 18:49.57 | Hobinheim | that is a terrible filter |
| 18:49.59 | Hobinheim | GH!!! |
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| 18:52.18 | Hobinheim | i'm sorry man i thought that was a real filter |
| 18:52.25 | Adys | hahahah |
| 18:52.26 | Hobinheim | it's only visual =( |
| 18:52.28 | Adys | no worries hob |
| 18:52.43 | Hobinheim | then people kept typing it back to me, then it would be filtered, again |
| 18:52.55 | Adys | adys how are you? |
| 18:53.00 | Adys | how did that appear? |
| 18:53.04 | Hobinheim | yes, don't mention his name indeed |
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| 18:53.13 | Hobinheim | but you're probably just typing out your name |
| 18:53.20 | Adys | yes I am |
| 18:53.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | A d y s |
| 18:53.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | just typing out his name... |
| 18:53.38 | Adys | infobot, adys? |
| 18:53.40 | infobot | Adys is going to kick Kirkburn's ass, or secretly La Frenchella, black diamond of the Parisian night |
| 18:53.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 18:53.55 | Adys | how did that appear ^^ |
| 18:54.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | hey, i too want something like that :( |
| 18:54.19 | Hobinheim | i took away the filter |
| 18:54.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot, Patrigan-Syldra? |
| 18:54.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | :< |
| 18:54.32 | Adys | infobot, Patrigan? |
| 18:54.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | bastard! |
| 18:55.00 | Adys | infobot, patrigan is not really a great fan of your knowledge about wikians in this irc channel. |
| 18:55.01 | infobot | okay, Adys |
| 18:55.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | indeed okay adys |
| 18:55.16 | Adys | infobot, patrigan? |
| 18:55.17 | infobot | i heard patrigan is not really a great fan of your knowledge about wikians in this irc channel. |
| 18:55.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | now be a good boy and go back to bed! |
| 18:55.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | >< |
| 18:55.33 | Adys | see :) |
| 18:55.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | love that bot ^^ |
| 18:55.42 | Adys | infobot, i hate you |
| 18:55.44 | infobot | You hate you? |
| 18:55.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 18:56.14 | Hobinheim | infobot, i hate infobot |
| 18:56.15 | infobot | You hate infobot? |
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| 18:56.36 | Adys | infobot, hobinheim? |
| 18:56.37 | infobot | well, hobinheim is is a demon from hell, or a noob |
| 18:56.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 18:56.57 | Hobinheim | ... |
| 18:57.12 | Hobinheim | infobot, hobinheim is The Great and Long Titled |
| 18:57.13 | infobot | ...but hobinheim is already something else... |
| 18:57.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | I agree... |
| 18:57.21 | Hobinheim | infobot, damn you |
| 18:57.23 | infobot | ACTION damns you to the bowels of bloody hell forever. |
| 18:57.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | with infobot |
| 18:57.42 | Hobinheim | infobot, hobinheim really is The Great and Long Titled |
| 18:57.43 | infobot | okay, Hobinheim |
| 18:57.49 | Hobinheim | infobot, hobinheim? |
| 18:57.51 | infobot | rumour has it, hobinheim is is a demon from hell, or a noob |
| 18:57.56 | Adys | hahaha |
| 18:57.57 | Hobinheim | dammit... |
| 18:57.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | pwned |
| 18:57.59 | Zeal | adys, you've got an icon to delete btw :P |
| 18:58.04 | Adys | gief |
| 18:58.07 | Hobinheim | infobot, forget hobinheim |
| 18:58.32 | Adys | infobot, hobinheim is also much more than that |
| 18:58.34 | infobot | Adys: okay |
| 18:58.55 | Adys | infobot, hobinheim? |
| 18:58.56 | infobot | somebody said hobinheim was is a demon from hell, or a noob, or much more than that |
| 18:59.04 | Adys | there you go =) |
| 18:59.14 | Hobinheim | infobot is british, so we can just skip all this tom foollery |
| 18:59.31 | Adys | infobot, are you british? |
| 18:59.33 | Hobinheim | infobot, no hobinheim |
| 18:59.48 | Zeal | er.. nvm i think |
| 18:59.57 | Zeal | oh wait.. now i remember |
| 19:00.17 | Hobinheim | infobot, no, hobinheim is great |
| 19:00.19 | infobot | Hobinheim: okay |
| 19:00.24 | Hobinheim | infobot, hobinheim |
| 19:00.26 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hobinheim is great |
| 19:00.41 | Hobinheim | infobot, no, hobinheim is The Great and Long Titled |
| 19:00.42 | infobot | Hobinheim: okay |
| 19:00.42 | Adys | infobot, are you sure? |
| 19:00.44 | Hobinheim | infobot, thanks |
| 19:00.44 | infobot | Hobinheim: bitte |
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| 19:02.17 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Spell_Fire_Elemental_Totem.png |
| 19:02.22 | Zeal | old ones needs to be deleted :P |
| 19:02.30 | Zeal | *one |
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| 19:06.22 | Hobinheim | do you guys ever use itunes or winamp? |
| 19:06.47 | nemppu | winamp |
| 19:06.53 | Adys | both |
| 19:07.32 | Hobinheim | do you feel that the song distribution... "sounds better" on winamp? |
| 19:08.11 | Adys | i kinda do yeah |
| 19:08.22 | Adys | winamp has a good soundquality imo |
| 19:08.31 | Adys | and itunes can get choppy at times |
| 19:10.11 | Zeal | i find them both to have faults |
| 19:10.29 | Zeal | but i generally find itunes quality better, but winamp equalizer more effective |
| 19:10.35 | Zeal | i use both. |
| 19:10.56 | Zeal | mainyl because i download alot of podcats to my ipod and prefer itunes as a music library manager |
| 19:11.18 | Adys | i never used the equalizer tbh i just cba |
| 19:11.23 | Adys | so i cant say for that |
| 19:11.41 | Adys | it might just be my computer or soundcard but i just feel winamp is "smoother" |
| 19:12.12 | foxlit | 2.0.5? |
| 19:12.35 | Adys | infobot, itunes or winamp? |
| 19:12.52 | Adys | this bot is a noob |
| 19:12.57 | Adys | infobot, cake or pie? |
| 19:13.00 | Zeal | winamp lags me more oddly |
| 19:13.12 | Zeal | but itunes lags itself when sorting through albums |
| 19:13.16 | Zeal | so, meh |
| 19:13.49 | Zeal | and winamp seems to be mroe drastically effected by HDD usage than itunes, so results in it suttering when i'm doing intense stuff. |
| 19:14.11 | nemppu | -intense stuff- |
| 19:14.23 | Adys | lol |
| 19:14.27 | kasatopia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvKqgj4lfuA the unstoppable force vs the immovable object |
| 19:14.36 | Hobinheim | infobot, cake or death? |
| 19:15.11 | nemppu | uu~ fighting |
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| 19:45.39 | adam | infobot damn you |
| 19:45.42 | infobot | ACTION damns you to the bowels of bloody hell forever. |
| 19:46.23 | adam | infobot |
| 19:47.55 | Zeal | policy reviews are soooo badly needed |
| 19:50.20 | Zeal | i'm gunna die of frustration with ridiculous restrictions and ideas in existing ones.. |
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| 19:57.43 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I got pissed off and posted a defence on the scrollsoflore forum |
| 20:00.33 | Kirkburn | At all: http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?t=1273 |
| 20:00.44 | Kirkburn | Thread title: "Why WoWWiki is the devil." |
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| 20:01.41 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Andormu_Young.jpg hey look its link |
| 20:02.12 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, you'll be interested: http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?t=1273 |
| 20:02.26 | Kirkburn | I posted a defence of you |
| 20:03.10 | Bagginsww | thanks man |
| 20:03.10 | Bagginsww | we were discussing htis issue earlier in here |
| 20:03.15 | Kirkburn | no problem, I hate when people get so full of themselves like that :/ |
| 20:03.20 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:04.13 | Kirkburn | rawr :) |
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| 20:04.35 | Bagginsww | believe me I will be avoiding that website I don't need the stress LOL |
| 20:04.40 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 20:04.53 | Kirkburn | Anyway, you know we all support you =) |
| 20:05.25 | Bagginsww | again thanks, :). |
| 20:05.43 | Kirkburn | The new BE and draenei children are sooo cute |
| 20:05.51 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:06.05 | Bagginsww | if only the old human models would be used |
| 20:06.12 | Bagginsww | and fat humans |
| 20:06.29 | Bagginsww | actually I think one guy in old hilsbrad finally uses the old man model |
| 20:06.35 | Bagginsww | but I haven't gotten a good look |
| 20:06.37 | Bagginsww | just creenshots |
| 20:06.57 | Bagginsww | he looked skinnier than average human |
| 20:06.57 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 20:07.03 | Kirkburn | I mean, they're in the files, so why not |
| 20:07.22 | Bagginsww | they might need a slight poly upgrade to get them closer to current graphics level |
| 20:07.30 | Bagginsww | but that shouldn't be too difficult |
| 20:08.23 | Bagginsww | LOL I read your post |
| 20:08.42 | Bagginsww | I just worry that "improve it" to them means to attack users, and vandalize topics |
| 20:08.59 | Kirkburn | Let us hope not |
| 20:09.19 | Bagginsww | would it be breach of datamine etiquitte to post an article showing old and fat human models? |
| 20:09.46 | Bagginsww | for that matter something like the Orca model too? |
| 20:10.40 | Kirkburn | hmm, that's a bit close to the edge |
| 20:12.07 | Bagginsww | grganted I think the human fat and skinny models were ripped form warcraft III orignally LOL |
| 20:12.22 | Bagginsww | thus why their poly counts don't seem to match later stuff |
| 20:12.37 | Bagginsww | ogres for a while used the olde models from war 3 only slightly upgraded |
| 20:13.06 | Kirkburn | That would make sense |
| 20:13.13 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn |
| 20:13.22 | Zeal | updated your link to go your post ;) |
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| 20:14.29 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I also just replied about the retcons stuff |
| 20:14.29 | Zeal | and yeah, i checked up on smeedle, hes a bit of an idiot |
| 20:14.29 | Kirkburn | (on the wiki article) |
| 20:14.29 | Kirkburn | Now, now, let's at least pretend we're above namecalling here :) |
| 20:14.29 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 20:14.29 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:14.32 | Bagginsww | Ignorance is bliss |
| 20:14.36 | Kirkburn | You're allowed to point out where someone is an idiot, of course ... |
| 20:14.40 | Zeal | ok, ignorant. and that's the truth, not name calling :P |
| 20:14.43 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 20:15.05 | Zeal | and as to polcies.. the process.. is really grinding on me |
| 20:15.27 | Zeal | it's too slow, i'll be dead by the time i see anything i propose be put into pratice at this rate. |
| 20:15.39 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:15.58 | Kirkburn | There's no rush - we'll get there, it's just that atm TBC is on everyone's mind |
| 20:16.32 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I'm up for changing the policy without a vote anyway, just need consensus about what should be done instead |
| 20:16.34 | Bagginsww | did you read my thoughts on speculation template? |
| 20:16.41 | Kirkburn | nope |
| 20:16.46 | Bagginsww | its just above |
| 20:16.49 | Bagginsww | the purpose section |
| 20:17.02 | Kirkburn | On Talk:Retcon? |
| 20:17.03 | Zeal | i said to Bagginsww, give me free rain of the wiki for one day, plus temp adminship, and you'd see the wiki in a whole new light. granted not of it would be put into practice within that day. :P |
| 20:17.08 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:17.18 | Bagginsww | ya but absolute power corrupts |
| 20:17.24 | Zeal | oh, it does |
| 20:17.25 | Bagginsww | ;) |
| 20:17.39 | Kirkburn | We're too wary of that since SilverSide |
| 20:17.53 | Zeal | i generally consider myself a fair and just disctator when i get power :p |
| 20:18.00 | Zeal | *dictator |
| 20:18.28 | Zeal | if people don't like my reign, i'm happy to step down always. |
| 20:18.38 | Zeal | anyways.. |
| 20:18.43 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 20:18.55 | Bagginsww | silverside? |
| 20:19.35 | Kirkburn | Crazy guy, long story |
| 20:20.27 | Kirkburn | I've added lots of new names to the RC skip list, the page should be much more concise now |
| 20:20.43 | Kirkburn | Especially yours Zeal, you took up a large chunk of the list last time ;) |
| 20:21.15 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 20:21.26 | Apollozeus | I should categorize them alphabetically |
| 20:21.33 | Bagginsww | we need some metzen wildhammer dwaven pictures in the wildhammer article LOL |
| 20:21.34 | Apollozeus | hmm nvm |
| 20:21.37 | Apollozeus | it's protected |
| 20:21.45 | Kirkburn | Apollozeus, ? |
| 20:21.51 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC/Skip |
| 20:21.57 | Kirkburn | It *is* alphabetical |
| 20:21.58 | Bagginsww | its all ingame screenshots and no artwork :p |
| 20:22.18 | Kirkburn | The first section is admins |
| 20:22.48 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 20:22.49 | Apollozeus | I see |
| 20:22.52 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:24.22 | Bagginsww | bbesides the fact that metzen artwork better shows that they are taller and leaner than standard darves as is confirmed in info in the RPG |
| 20:25.49 | Kirkburn | Ooh, didn't know that |
| 20:26.29 | Bagginsww | Heh |
| 20:26.35 | Bagginsww | its brought up in APG as well |
| 20:26.38 | Bagginsww | if you get that book |
| 20:30.33 | Bagginsww | well I'm off again, back to the reading |
| 20:30.36 | Bagginsww | take care everyone |
| 20:30.39 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, I added a link to the discussion on your talk page so they can read your comments, and also to give you a better chance to respond |
| 20:30.54 | Bagginsww | oh lovely |
| 20:31.00 | Bagginsww | now my email will be spanned |
| 20:31.02 | Bagginsww | *spammed |
| 20:31.12 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:31.28 | Kirkburn | I doubt it, they'll be too scared ;) |
| 20:31.42 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 20:31.49 | Kirkburn | Depends on how convincing my rebuttal was, too :P |
| 20:31.59 | Kirkburn | Anyway, enjoy your reading! |
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| 20:33.29 | Bagginsww | thanks |
| 20:40.44 | Zeal | lol @ RC. i'm sure i did Kirkburn |
| 20:40.53 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Changes |
| 20:40.53 | Adys | you know |
| 20:41.11 | Kirkburn | do I? |
| 20:41.32 | Adys | when we keep {{silly}} articles that are supposed to be for deletion just because they are fun, like Zin'Rokh Destroyer of Guilds |
| 20:41.46 | Adys | im wondering if we should keep http://www.wowwiki.com/Bridge_between_Azshara_and_Ashenvale |
| 20:41.51 | Adys | because its hilariously useless |
| 20:42.22 | Kirkburn | Zeal, there's lots for you to be getting on with I see ;) |
| 20:43.35 | Kirkburn | Adys? That Zin'Rohk article doesn't exist |
| 20:43.49 | Adys | hob recreated it in his user pages i think |
| 20:43.49 | Zeal | well yeah.. |
| 20:44.01 | Adys | its the one you deleted some time ago |
| 20:44.08 | Adys | +72 Drama Power :P |
| 20:44.11 | Kirkburn | I know =) |
| 20:44.35 | Adys | honestly its a hilarious article |
| 20:44.59 | Kirkburn | Since we already have people complaining about 'useless' articles, I don't really want to push it |
| 20:45.07 | Adys | yah but User Pages are fine |
| 20:45.11 | Adys | imo |
| 20:45.18 | Kirkburn | It might be hilarious, but it's appropriate only for user pages unless it's well known :P |
| 20:45.30 | Adys | [[Felguard Poem]] comes to mind ^^ |
| 20:45.31 | Kirkburn | Cool, we agree :D |
| 20:46.04 | Kirkburn | Well, that is, um, well known-ish :P |
| 20:46.14 | Kirkburn | 1,512 hits |
| 20:46.17 | Zeal | 1 and 2 i do anyways, recommended for 3, 4-6.2 i've already proposed, 6.3-7 i've already talked about and getting ready to propose. and now i;ve arrived at 8.. |
| 20:46.18 | Kirkburn | It actually is! |
| 20:46.27 | Zeal | 10 i'm doing as i go. |
| 20:46.36 | Adys | 1512 hits in 2 weeks mind you :P |
| 20:47.22 | Zeal | 9 i can't do. and 11 is under way for future plans and not something i want to do myself, but i do want to make sure it's done well. |
| 20:49.15 | Zeal | was talking to baggins about 9, about how he's been told the bookkeepers are essentially powerless. |
| 20:49.33 | Zeal | and it's plain to see how disorganized they are |
| 20:49.35 | Kirkburn | It's just a name, yes |
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| 20:49.41 | Kirkburn | Blame SilverSide ;) |
| 20:49.45 | Zeal | yes.. that seems silly |
| 20:49.49 | Zeal | i shall, certainly |
| 20:50.41 | Zeal | and i already did set myself a time frame, so there is a rush from my point of view :P |
| 20:50.43 | Hobinheim | btw the wowi lounge is surprisingly useful today |
| 20:50.47 | Hobinheim | i'm actually coding stuff =P |
| 20:50.52 | Zeal | lol, cool |
| 20:50.56 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, yay |
| 20:55.15 | Kirkburn | All pages with more than 150,000 hits should now be move protected |
| 20:57.00 | Zeal | ok tomorrow, unless something else comes up, i'm going to go on a policy writing run, screw explaining the principles and ideas and making suggestions here and there, i'm writing up complete and finished proposals ready for use, and throwing them up as proposals... the other things (name spaces, groups, templates) can catch up later. |
| 20:57.18 | Kirkburn | ok |
| 20:57.38 | Adys | zeal btw |
| 20:58.01 | Adys | I was thinking of something slightly different to your proposal for items which would avoid using disambiguation pages |
| 20:58.04 | Zeal | http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=5742&highlight=wowiki#post5742 Kirkburn |
| 20:58.18 | Adys | concerns items and quests specially |
| 20:58.21 | Zeal | oh adys? always interested |
| 20:58.35 | Adys | instead of for example Item:Itemname, go for Item:Itemid |
| 20:58.52 | Adys | and the page [[Itemname]] would be a redirect to Item:Itemid |
| 20:58.59 | Adys | or a disambig if multiple items exist |
| 20:59.04 | Adys | example where it'd be useful: |
| 20:59.18 | Zeal | [[Itemname]] with the brackets yeah? |
| 20:59.31 | Adys | [[Royal Seal of Eldre'Thalas]] would be a page listing up various things about the trinket, how to obtain it etc |
| 20:59.51 | Adys | and link to [[Item:12345]] [[Item:12346]] etc, all 9 different ones |
| 20:59.56 | Kirkburn | Zeal, lol |
| 21:00.00 | Adys | you catch the princip? |
| 21:00.32 | Zeal | oh.. without the brackets them.. |
| 21:00.36 | Zeal | *then |
| 21:00.54 | Adys | [[brackets]] = http://www.wowwiki.com/brackets |
| 21:01.07 | Adys | gonna write up a small program to automatize that =P |
| 21:02.13 | Zeal | er.. so it's http://www.wowwiki.com/Royal Seal of Eldre'Thalas not http://www.wowwiki.com/[[Royal Seal of Eldre'Thalas]] right? |
| 21:02.38 | Zeal | otherwise a big no, lol. |
| 21:03.05 | Adys | uh |
| 21:03.08 | Adys | no ofc not :P |
| 21:03.23 | Adys | brackets mean wiki article |
| 21:04.47 | Zeal | anyways.. i don't like tbh. people will want to search the items name, there could be conflicts in the default namespace, ruining that really. it also removes the ability to check for the item namespace in item articles to determine how to display things with templates. |
| 21:05.57 | Zeal | if it clarifies things. i view namespaces as tables in a database. rows in the database being each article in that name sapce. the fields being content that users expect and need to be filled where applicable for all articles in that namespace. |
| 21:06.29 | Hobinheim | do they really say "maths" in france and england.... |
| 21:06.44 | Hobinheim | as opposed to "math" or "mathematics" or "vacation" |
| 21:06.47 | Zeal | er.. i think it's supposed to be math, but yes |
| 21:07.12 | Zeal | think maths can come up from poor english |
| 21:07.22 | Zeal | *has come |
| 21:07.24 | Adys | Mathematiques is the real name in french |
| 21:08.42 | Hobinheim | matiques, hehehe |
| 21:09.34 | Zeal | in the default namespace, i expect a typical wiki article, the title being the term, the content simplying explaining what it means, where it appears and anything relevent to it etc. in a item article, i expect an icon, the name of the item as the article name, information about the item, changes its been through, where its from, what it does, it's tooltip, images of the item, what relationship it has to other things in warcra |
| 21:10.06 | Adys | zeal: i understand your point but I have two reasons to think its better having Item:12345 |
| 21:10.14 | Zeal | shoot :P |
| 21:10.38 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I extended the edit tips box to say "reference and/or cite", since you're right that they're differenr |
| 21:10.42 | Kirkburn | *different |
| 21:11.13 | Zeal | cool, ty Kirkburn. i had been meaning to mention that to you, but was gunna wait until after i made a proposal :P |
| 21:11.24 | Kirkburn | Oh yes, that reminds me, the Community portal also needs an overhaul |
| 21:11.32 | Zeal | indeed >_> |
| 21:11.33 | Adys | first, the point of being a database means we need to identify every page differently, disambiguations would be bad to have for the simple reason of for example wanting to link an item from a page as tooltip, and ending up having the wrong one (example on phpbb forums using allakhazam addon, and linking atiesh or things like that) |
| 21:11.57 | Adys | second, if we dont use IDs I see no point in using a namespace either |
| 21:11.59 | Zeal | one thing i stil know nothing of in relation to wikis is bots. i'll need to understand that soon i'm sure. |
| 21:12.40 | Kirkburn | Yeah, everyone I know says "maths", Hobinheim |
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| 21:13.00 | Zeal | well, to the second, that why i've said what i said. reason enough imo. |
| 21:13.08 | Bagginsww | there it goes LOL, people spouting their opinions no citations :p |
| 21:13.24 | Bagginsww | opinions on why they don't like certain material |
| 21:13.32 | Bagginsww | or how they don't feel it fits |
| 21:13.38 | Bagginsww | but no hard ciations |
| 21:13.44 | Bagginsww | stating said source is invalid |
| 21:13.54 | Kirkburn | Mathematics is plural, hence why we say "maths" =) |
| 21:13.59 | Adys | zeal: namespaces are at first used to avoid disambiguations. Example, Server:Burning Legion and article Burning Legion |
| 21:14.32 | Bagginsww | hardly what I want my talkpage reverting to :p |
| 21:14.32 | Adys | if we dont use ids we will have to use disambigs anyways, so no point |
| 21:14.32 | Teomyr | i wonder how blizzard manages to confuse Kazzak and Kruul... |
| 21:14.50 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 21:14.53 | Bagginsww | they have? |
| 21:14.53 | Kirkburn | Teomyr, ? |
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| 21:15.03 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Baggins |
| 21:15.03 | Zeal | to the first, we're not database to start with, that's merely a secondary role. in the case of items with the same name, i would rather see a single item article, but differences listed under a header, so when pages refrence a particular version of that item (which in most cases they wont want to), they can simply append #blah to the link. |
| 21:15.04 | Teomyr | in the deDE client, Highlord Kruul is called "Hochlord Kazzak"... Highlord Kazzak |
| 21:15.42 | Zeal | adys, disambiguation through namespaces is of a secondary concern to me, it's a very nice benefit, but not my reason for choosing them. |
| 21:16.11 | Adys | Teomyr: LOL |
| 21:16.12 | Zeal | rofl Teomyr |
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| 21:17.52 | Adys | Zeal: I understand the point but anyways my main worry is about the fact that we need easy pages for a database. and remember, we will have some way to keep browsable the item pages, through redirects from [[Itemname]] |
| 21:17.53 | KiphereCE | omghai |
| 21:18.08 | Adys | categorized as for example {{Item:ItemID/Categories}} |
| 21:18.12 | Adys | anyways |
| 21:18.14 | Adys | gotta go afk |
| 21:18.16 | Adys | dinner n stuff |
| 21:18.18 | Adys | ill be back in a bit |
| 21:18.30 | KiphereCE | Your name makes me want a roast beef sandwich. |
| 21:18.31 | Teomyr | "omg, kazzak is in stormwind!" - "no, it's kruul!" - "can't you read, it's kazzak!" - "OMG, NUB" - "mine sez kazzak too lolz!!" |
| 21:18.33 | KiphereCE | and I hvae no idea why. |
| 21:18.52 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 21:19.06 | Kirkburn | Teomyr, lol |
| 21:20.07 | Zeal | adys.. the thing i don;t udnerstand is, why we even need articles for the database. the database is backend, it only needs to be refrenced, we don't need an item article for the item to exist in the database. |
| 21:31.39 | Bagginsww | they are coming out of th ewoodwork today |
| 21:31.58 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:32.25 | Zeal | i love it when people complain that a wiki is not good for lore because anyone could post anything, yet when they try to post their lore which is incorrect and it gets corrected, they bitch and moan saying that trying to post stuff is hopeless. Is it me or are they contradicting themselves but are too stupid to realize it? and because of that they say the wiki is bad.. |
| 21:33.18 | Zeal | ok strixus is about.. |
| 21:33.52 | Zeal | *oh |
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| 21:36.23 | Bagginsww | I think people forget wiki's list lore, one is saying you have to believe it or not |
| 21:36.31 | Bagginsww | well not just lore |
| 21:36.36 | Bagginsww | but articles on just about every subject |
| 21:36.49 | jrr | what are some of your fav places to grind runecloth and gold? i'm killing ogres in deadwind pass right now, with not so awesome drops |
| 21:36.54 | Bagginsww | people can choose to believe the myth's legends, facts etc, or not |
| 21:37.42 | Bagginsww | I'm speaking of more than just wowwiki |
| 21:37.48 | Bagginsww | but wikipedia style as a whole |
| 21:38.23 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Wisp_%28April_Fool%27s%29 |
| 21:38.26 | Bagginsww | someone added material to that |
| 21:38.36 | Bagginsww | not sure it should be modified from the original joke |
| 21:38.56 | Bagginsww | adys has locked other jokes |
| 21:39.01 | Adys | mm? |
| 21:39.15 | Bagginsww | didn't you lock the false patch notes? |
| 21:39.19 | Adys | yeah i did |
| 21:39.25 | Adys | was being edited |
| 21:39.26 | Zeal | well many people, like myself Bagginsww, like order, so speculation on the facts is very common, but the sort of people we're talking about are those who form assumptions and interpretations of the lore and spew them as fact, expect the wiki to conform to it. they then see the wiki doesn, and mentions all aspects while throwing (sometimes not well marked but always clear if you understand english) speculation they may not have |
| 21:39.30 | Bagginsww | cause pepole were modify it form what it originally was or tyring to "correct" |
| 21:39.55 | Adys | roll it back and give a warning, i rather not protect pages where styling is a big part of |
| 21:40.02 | Zeal | so they go and cry and say the wiki is full of lies and speculation being stated as fact when it isn't and use their own speculation to argue against the facts. |
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| 21:41.17 | Adys | I think the speculation template should link to the page [[If you are not happy with what is being said click here]] |
| 21:41.30 | Adys | and the article containing the cat piccie Go Cry Emo Kid |
| 21:41.38 | Zeal | rofl |
| 21:41.57 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 21:41.58 | Zeal | well i've listed and stated my ideas for speculation policies :p |
| 21:42.44 | Adys | heres a new policy, if you're not happy with what is on the wiki either you help it or you cry more. |
| 21:42.52 | Adys | you can edit it yourself |
| 21:42.58 | Zeal | i personally don't beleive such drastic measures are needed, but i'm making them so as they don't harm the article and stops all the stupid bitching from anti-wowwikians |
| 21:43.07 | Zeal | lol adys |
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| 21:45.59 | Adys | well tbh im barely joking its true |
| 21:46.15 | Zeal | indeed |
| 21:46.37 | Zeal | its jsut the ignorant out weigh the wikians |
| 21:46.54 | Bagginsww | adys I can understand why you aren't so big on lore heh heh |
| 21:46.59 | Adys | =) |
| 21:47.00 | Bagginsww | so much whining |
| 21:47.01 | Zeal | so they're crying is flooding the community.. lol |
| 21:47.05 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, Zeal, http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=32601&posted=1#post32601 |
| 21:47.11 | Zeal | *their |
| 21:47.49 | Kirkburn | jrr, WPl, I guess |
| 21:48.56 | Bagginsww | LOL |
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| 21:49.53 | Kirkburn | Just ... so ... arrogant ... |
| 21:50.10 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 21:50.38 | Bagginsww | I've asked many a time for people to quote one source that states that appendix 3 is non-canon no one has yet produced a quote LOL |
| 21:50.51 | Bagginsww | and I think its more tellng that other sources refrence it |
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| 21:51.03 | Bagginsww | or refrence creatures mentioned in it |
| 21:51.09 | Kirkburn | damn disconnect |
| 21:51.11 | Kirkburn | Zeal, don't flame others please |
| 21:51.31 | Zeal | Kirkburn, can you add to your closing statement, "and if it gets reverted, talk about it and you'll probably find it's because you're the one that is actually wrong or you are lacking a source to validate yourself" |
| 21:51.37 | Bagginsww | well I was saying I've asked many a time for people to present quotes stating MoM is noncanon |
| 21:51.44 | Zeal | Kirkburn, that's not a flame.. |
| 21:51.47 | Bagginsww | on the contrary its telling that later sources refrence it |
| 21:51.51 | Zeal | but w/e |
| 21:52.12 | Kirkburn | Saying someone has a mental defect is an ad hominen attack. Don't/ |
| 21:52.18 | Bagginsww | sometimes even word for word |
| 21:52.47 | Kirkburn | Zeal, added it |
| 21:53.10 | Bagginsww | was speaking of the fact that later rpg books have quoted material from MoM and even appendix 3 word for word |
| 21:53.25 | Bagginsww | like the small stub of lore on Half-ogres |
| 21:53.25 | Zeal | no ty : / it's an insult to carry the point. if it was a flame, ie insults with no grounds and nothing actually constructive i would care. |
| 21:53.31 | Bagginsww | getting filled out in HPG |
| 21:53.53 | Bagginsww | well as a admin he can choose to modify your post :p |
| 21:54.10 | Bagginsww | if he feels it goes beyond wiki policies |
| 21:54.19 | Bagginsww | or trolling and/or flames |
| 21:54.22 | Kirkburn | Zeal, stop it. We're trying to help the wiki here, not show us off to also be arrogant and flamers |
| 21:54.31 | Bagginsww | we don't want to be arrogant |
| 21:54.50 | Bagginsww | believe me its really easy to resort to their level |
| 21:54.58 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 21:56.38 | Bagginsww | believe me one you say something, and other people know it, it can hurt your reputation in the long run |
| 21:56.54 | Bagginsww | they choose to ignore you based off of one ad hominem attack |
| 21:57.06 | Zeal | oh, welcome to edit my post |
| 21:57.14 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 21:57.15 | Zeal | i just saying i see nothing wrong in what i did. |
| 21:57.25 | Kirkburn | Yes, well an admin does. |
| 21:57.35 | Kirkburn | Dammit, why's the wiki so slow :/ |
| 21:57.53 | Bagginsww | believe me I've learned this lesson back in star wars forums |
| 21:58.28 | Bagginsww | attacking your opponent rather than argueging the position only gets people upset, and less likely to see reason |
| 21:58.57 | Kirkburn | (and completely destroys the point I've been making on the forums) |
| 21:59.51 | Zeal | baggins, thats the key thing. its not rather than, its accompanying. |
| 22:00.06 | Bagginsww | yes there are times when people think I'm boneheaded because I make a mistake. I appolgize and we move on LOL |
| 22:00.14 | Bagginsww | to err is human |
| 22:00.53 | Kirkburn | Is the wiki slow for others? |
| 22:00.56 | Bagginsww | its slow |
| 22:01.24 | Zeal | yeah |
| 22:01.32 | Zeal | watchlist stuck mid-loading :( |
| 22:01.37 | Bagginsww | btw all sections of appendix 3 are in the wikipedia now I finished it a month ago |
| 22:02.30 | Bagginsww | so there will likely be few alterations to the articles unless a later source refrences something |
| 22:02.48 | Zeal | "This is the true lore site for warcraft......" hahah omg my gut split |
| 22:03.01 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 22:03.17 | Bagginsww | uh only World of Warcraft.com and blizzard.com and its affiliated websites can claim that |
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| 22:03.42 | Bagginsww | if we take the defintiion of "website" |
| 22:04.03 | Zeal | basically its any official blizz related site. |
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| 22:04.10 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 22:04.20 | Bagginsww | anything owned by blizzard |
| 22:04.24 | Zeal | and even if he meant fan site.. lol |
| 22:04.29 | Bagginsww | although one might argue the company that owns blizzard |
| 22:04.51 | Zeal | RPPvP community is better than scrolls of lore, and they're pretty much both as bad as each other. |
| 22:04.54 | Bagginsww | vivendi still owns blizzard? |
| 22:05.05 | Zeal | dunno |
| 22:05.15 | Zeal | i never really knew they did until i saw it somewhere.. |
| 22:05.36 | Bagginsww | ya its the reason why an official diablo expansion was made by sierra |
| 22:05.42 | Bagginsww | blizzard started it |
| 22:05.46 | Bagginsww | couldn't finish it |
| 22:05.47 | Kirkburn | And it continues: http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=32604#post32604 |
| 22:05.51 | Bagginsww | so they passed it onto sierra |
| 22:05.57 | Adys | omfg... Kruul is in IF atm and he spams 400 lines per minute |
| 22:05.58 | Bagginsww | but that was when cendent owned it |
| 22:06.05 | Kirkburn | Zeal, lol, I just saw you mention the "This is the true lore site for warcraft......" |
| 22:06.05 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 22:06.13 | Kirkburn | Yeah, that comment annoyed me |
| 22:07.00 | Bagginsww | "This is the true lore site for warcraft......" {{fact}} |
| 22:07.16 | Zeal | well i've not known a publisher to own a developer too often :s |
| 22:07.33 | Bagginsww | quite common actually |
| 22:07.43 | Zeal | *{{cite|SoL}} ;) |
| 22:07.45 | Bagginsww | and it destroyes good developers :p |
| 22:07.51 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 22:08.09 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:08.12 | Bagginsww | looking glass studios was bought out by eidos |
| 22:08.17 | Bagginsww | and it killed the developer |
| 22:08.24 | Bagginsww | and they had awesome games |
| 22:09.06 | Bagginsww | Thief |
| 22:09.18 | Bagginsww | that series rocked |
| 22:09.30 | Bagginsww | at least it survives in some form in the level designer community |
| 22:09.52 | Zeal | well that puts even more doubt on blizz's ownership then, blizz are pwn and haven't died, lol :P |
| 22:10.07 | Bagginsww | dire lion LOL |
| 22:10.34 | Kirkburn | Deleted |
| 22:10.36 | Bagginsww | its definitely owned by vivendi |
| 22:10.45 | Kirkburn | vlad_, we're having speed problems atm |
| 22:10.58 | Bagginsww | vivendi's problem is that they made blizzard release it before blizzard wants to release the games |
| 22:10.59 | Teomyr | http://zombiesloveburningcrusade.ytmnd.com/ |
| 22:11.07 | Bagginsww | and yet if you let blizzard take their time |
| 22:11.15 | Bagginsww | the game becomes royally out of date |
| 22:11.19 | Bagginsww | with current graphics |
| 22:11.39 | Bagginsww | but its also affected content |
| 22:11.42 | Zeal | haha, true true |
| 22:11.50 | Bagginsww | we probably would have had emerald dream by now |
| 22:12.08 | Zeal | wow wasn't ready, ghost took too long and ended up out of date. :P |
| 22:13.22 | Bagginsww | If blizzard had its way kharazan would have been in the game on release LOL |
| 22:13.24 | Kirkburn | wha? |
| 22:13.28 | Bagginsww | I mean the originalr elease |
| 22:13.31 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, heh |
| 22:13.36 | Zeal | i resent the flame warning, bah. |
| 22:13.57 | Kirkburn | Resent it all you want, you shouldn'tah done it :) |
| 22:14.33 | Bagginsww | its funny cause even parts of outland was intended for orignal release |
| 22:14.37 | Zeal | is blizz had its way we would have undermine, nazjatar, naga and goblins as playable races, gilneas, kul'tiras etc etc. :P |
| 22:14.45 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 22:14.51 | Bagginsww | probably not goblins |
| 22:15.03 | Bagginsww | they ahve been pretty strict form the get go they wanted them as neutrals |
| 22:15.06 | Zeal | i resent it cause it's nott flame, not for the warning itself >_o |
| 22:15.25 | Bagginsww | well what you consider a flame and how they might perceive it are two different things LOL |
| 22:15.32 | Zeal | attack warning is valid, thoughi care not. |
| 22:16.30 | Bagginsww | ahh a month and no vandalism on king's quest monipedia |
| 22:16.35 | Bagginsww | *omnipedia |
| 22:16.37 | Bagginsww | this feels good |
| 22:16.45 | Bagginsww | no one to ban for a month LOL |
| 22:16.56 | Bagginsww | I do strict 1 month bans every time LOL |
| 22:17.01 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:17.08 | Bagginsww | 2 weeks wasn't enough |
| 22:17.15 | Bagginsww | and the same kind of vandalism happened every time |
| 22:17.29 | Bagginsww | and yet I don't want to block the IP |
| 22:17.33 | Bagginsww | cause other people use it |
| 22:17.43 | Bagginsww | so very hard to do a 1 year ban |
| 22:17.55 | Bagginsww | other admins don't want it locked down like wowwiki |
| 22:18.22 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:19.00 | Zeal | did you hear piratebay blocked swedish isps as retaliation? :P |
| 22:19.09 | Kirkburn | Zeal, really?? |
| 22:19.19 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 22:19.24 | Zeal | yuup, lol |
| 22:19.25 | Bagginsww | I miss old piratebay :p |
| 22:19.50 | Bagginsww | I used it for tv shows I missed during the week |
| 22:19.53 | Bagginsww | not for movies |
| 22:20.08 | Kirkburn | For where? |
| 22:20.16 | Zeal | SoL |
| 22:20.37 | Zeal | there we go.. finally |
| 22:20.43 | Kirkburn | I warn you now, if you act badly on there, I will be very unhappy |
| 22:21.08 | Bagginsww | yes, don't mark us as trolls |
| 22:21.14 | Kirkburn | If you insult them, I will take action |
| 22:22.09 | jrr | rawr! |
| 22:22.17 | Bagginsww | meow? |
| 22:22.42 | Bagginsww | only a few more days until phoenix wright justic for all yay |
| 22:22.55 | Bagginsww | first one was a riot |
| 22:23.05 | Bagginsww | never laughed more |
| 22:25.06 | Teomyr | SoL? |
| 22:26.50 | Bagginsww | phoenix wright on the DS |
| 22:27.26 | Kirkburn | Teomyr, http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=32606#post32606 |
| 22:27.36 | Kirkburn | That thread (that was just my last post) |
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| 22:31.05 | Teomyr | ah, thx |
| 22:32.35 | Bagginsww | awesome game series |
| 22:32.44 | Bagginsww | basically you play a lawer |
| 22:32.50 | Bagginsww | and have to plead your defendents cases |
| 22:33.09 | Bagginsww | using evidece you find, or finding flaws in people's claims |
| 22:33.38 | Bagginsww | think matlock, or perry mason, but more satirical |
| 22:33.39 | Kirkburn | OBJECTION! |
| 22:33.45 | Bagginsww | Heh heh |
| 22:34.04 | Kirkburn | I've only seen the forum meme-type stuff though, never played it |
| 22:34.05 | Bagginsww | it harkens back to classic graphic adventure games |
| 22:34.17 | Bagginsww | well i'm sure you you'd enjoy it |
| 22:34.32 | Bagginsww | its one of those cult classics that went beyond cult status |
| 22:34.46 | Bagginsww | they made a very limited run |
| 22:34.48 | Bagginsww | it sold out |
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| 22:34.51 | Bagginsww | people were upset |
| 22:34.57 | Bagginsww | and forcec capcom to make more |
| 22:35.04 | Norlando | hello all |
| 22:35.07 | Bagginsww | hi |
| 22:35.11 | Norlando | anyone here play wind runner? |
| 22:35.27 | Bagginsww | doesn't ring a bell |
| 22:35.40 | Norlando | play on windrunner* |
| 22:35.43 | Norlando | its a server |
| 22:35.46 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 22:35.52 | Bagginsww | not i |
| 22:36.30 | Bagginsww | kirkburn do you play on other systems other than PC? |
| 22:36.47 | Kirkburn | A Wii, soon, hopefully |
| 22:36.55 | Bagginsww | Mii wants |
| 22:37.08 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 22:37.14 | Bagginsww | ya hope I can get one of those soon too |
| 22:37.25 | Thrae | Bah, the Wii. I'm still waiting for the titles I want to be released -- Super Mario Galaxy at least. |
| 22:37.32 | Kirkburn | I love a good debate :) |
| 22:37.36 | Bagginsww | ever play splinter cell games? |
| 22:37.38 | Kirkburn | Thrae, heh |
| 22:37.46 | Bagginsww | well I hear wii version is the weakest but still |
| 22:37.54 | Thrae | Then comes Super Smash Bros. Brawl. |
| 22:37.58 | Kirkburn | Ooh yeah |
| 22:38.01 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, nope, never |
| 22:38.03 | Bagginsww | I was impressed on how different doulbe agent is on xbox and 360 versions |
| 22:38.09 | Bagginsww | completley different games |
| 22:38.12 | Bagginsww | doesn't even share the same maps |
| 22:38.33 | Kirkburn | I like how Zelda Wii/GC are the same except the map is flipped :P |
| 22:38.50 | Bagginsww | wii version is the same as xbox version with imp graphics but slightly more fininicky controls I hear. |
| 22:39.03 | Bagginsww | they are like mirror games? |
| 22:39.11 | Bagginsww | like first quest and second quest?> |
| 22:39.22 | Thrae | With its weird-ass controller, how can a game have anything BUT "funky" controls with the Wii? |
| 22:39.23 | Bagginsww | or exactly the same just flipped map :p |
| 22:39.33 | Bagginsww | it apparently works well with zelda |
| 22:39.38 | Bagginsww | all reviewers love it |
| 22:39.56 | Bagginsww | but games ported form other consoles have gotten poorer reviews for not getting the control right |
| 22:40.16 | Bagginsww | like most nintendo systems though it will take time for companies to warm up to it |
| 22:40.24 | Bagginsww | like with the DS |
| 22:41.13 | Bagginsww | early DS titles really didn't use the stylus effectively |
| 22:41.22 | Bagginsww | later games it works great |
| 22:41.25 | Bagginsww | like having a mouse |
| 22:42.02 | jrr | i was really disappointed to learn that far cry on the wii sucks |
| 22:42.05 | jrr | i was looking forward to it |
| 22:42.22 | Bagginsww | ya its one of those cases ignore first generation 3rd party stuff :p |
| 22:42.32 | Bagginsww | it'll get better |
| 22:43.14 | jrr | i'm staying busy enough with twilight princess for now anyway |
| 22:43.25 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 22:43.34 | Bagginsww | metroid prime 3 should be good |
| 22:43.57 | jrr | yeah, in like a year |
| 22:44.04 | Bagginsww | 2nd party game I think, but first party direct involvement |
| 22:44.18 | Bagginsww | ya most games coming out next year should work better |
| 22:44.30 | Bagginsww | most companies had to work with demo models for first generation stuff :p |
| 22:45.32 | Bagginsww | also I hear avoid wii version of COD3 as well |
| 22:45.41 | Bagginsww | it added in a rediculous minigame |
| 22:45.47 | Bagginsww | that is more trouble than its worth |
| 22:45.52 | Bagginsww | paddling across a river |
| 22:55.38 | Kirkburn | And the beat goes on: http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=32612#post32612 |
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| 23:16.26 | *** join/#wowwiki foxlit (n=me@0x50c4b029.albnxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 23:16.33 | foxlit | They killed {{WoW API}}! |
| 23:16.41 | Adys | the bastard |
| 23:18.58 | Hobinheim | didn't i do that? |
| 23:19.04 | Hobinheim | hey aren't you from that other room, lol |
| 23:19.10 | foxlit | Who knows? :) |
| 23:20.12 | Kirkburn | Round 39: http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=32620#post32620 |
| 23:23.10 | Zeal | erm.. wtf |
| 23:23.13 | Zeal | their forums died |
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| 23:24.05 | Zeal | windrunner.. hmm helf foursome :P |
| 23:26.52 | Zeal | nah, 100% corrupted treant, their lives were not spent in vein :p |
| 23:28.07 | Adys | Kirkburn: http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=32622&posted=1#post32622 |
| 23:28.54 | Adys | and this Yuber8900 seems like a tard to me - he prob got banned within reason if you ask me |
| 23:29.10 | Hobinheim | he's just trolling |
| 23:29.26 | Zeal | lol adys |
| 23:29.34 | Zeal | and i just posted |
| 23:29.56 | Kirkburn | woah |
| 23:30.05 | Zeal | and no Kirkburn, i did not insult anyone, and i'd have been pissed off if you had taken actions. i do not represent the wiki an any shape or form. |
| 23:30.06 | Adys | long post zeal oO |
| 23:30.17 | Zeal | *in |
| 23:30.39 | Zeal | actually i indirectly called that guildy an idiot.. |
| 23:30.41 | Zeal | but meh |
| 23:34.02 | Kirkburn | Ooh, good point: "it does not ever get things wrong, users get things wrong" |
| 23:35.00 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:35.34 | Kirkburn | Thank you for keeping a civil tone :) |
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| 23:36.34 | Bagginsww | oh lovely |
| 23:36.36 | Bagginsww | trolls |
| 23:36.46 | Bagginsww | Warning |
| 23:36.46 | Bagginsww | Celestials are not in any of the Warcraft Game series or mentioned by anyone in the series. They are not a part of official lore until they are in-game or mentioned in-game. |
| 23:36.49 | Adys | http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=32622&posted=1#post32622 naggins |
| 23:36.52 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Celestial |
| 23:36.55 | Zeal | that probably came across wrong actually. it was meant that users reading have the wrong opinion of the lore, not the wiki having something wrong on it. it was mreo to the comment about making stuff up. |
| 23:37.23 | Bagginsww | fudo-chan |
| 23:37.45 | Kirkburn | Zeal, that was an excellently written piece there, really nicely done |
| 23:37.53 | Kirkburn | Brought up many of the points I wanted to say |
| 23:38.03 | Zeal | "Celestials use swords of Holy Light" was that ever a fact Bagginsww? |
| 23:38.16 | Bagginsww | that wasn't my info |
| 23:38.19 | Bagginsww | not sure what th is |
| 23:38.20 | Zeal | ty, and i had no reason to be uncivil. heh |
| 23:38.22 | Bagginsww | I'd delete it |
| 23:38.30 | Kirkburn | Wait, what - "They are not a part of official lore until they are in-game or mentioned in-game." <-- wtf? |
| 23:38.35 | Zeal | nah, someone replaced it, thinking removing it from the article completely |
| 23:38.39 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 23:38.40 | Bagginsww | remove it |
| 23:38.53 | Kirkburn | No, no! |
| 23:38.54 | Kirkburn | Wait |
| 23:39.00 | Bagginsww | wait on what? |
| 23:39.02 | Kirkburn | We should do this another way |
| 23:39.06 | Kirkburn | Don't revert it |
| 23:39.12 | Kirkburn | That'll just 'prove' their point |
| 23:39.15 | Bagginsww | uh I'm letting you take care of this |
| 23:39.22 | Kirkburn | I'll rewrite it |
| 23:39.25 | Bagginsww | I'm off the forums for next few days |
| 23:39.32 | Zeal | er.. |
| 23:39.34 | Zeal | too late |
| 23:39.43 | Zeal | and it was only an image and it's caption Kirkburn :P |
| 23:40.02 | Bagginsww | he meant the troll comment |
| 23:40.04 | Bagginsww | not the image |
| 23:40.14 | Bagginsww | we aren't touching their trolling |
| 23:40.25 | Bagginsww | however by chan's logic we could ignore the novels |
| 23:40.33 | Bagginsww | we could ignore the manga |
| 23:40.36 | Zeal | wehre is the trolling? :s |
| 23:40.47 | Bagginsww | Warning |
| 23:40.47 | Bagginsww | Celestials are not in any of the Warcraft Game series or mentioned by anyone in the series. They are not a part of official lore until they are in-game or mentioned in-game. |
| 23:41.07 | Zeal | oh.. |
| 23:41.14 | Bagginsww | he did that to several articles |
| 23:41.17 | Zeal | Kirkburn, mind if i just remove the last part? |
| 23:41.21 | Hobinheim | is there a citation for these alleged "celestials"... |
| 23:41.27 | Adys | dont yet zeal |
| 23:41.27 | Kirkburn | Zeal - the definitive lore bit? |
| 23:41.40 | Bagginsww | ya look in the article LOL |
| 23:41.43 | Bagginsww | already cited |
| 23:41.43 | Zeal | actually nah i won't bother don;t worry |
| 23:41.48 | Kirkburn | I just rewrote it |
| 23:41.51 | Zeal | i was gunna remove it all.. |
| 23:41.56 | Zeal | its pointless |
| 23:42.08 | Adys | it is |
| 23:42.12 | Adys | but rather not |
| 23:42.13 | Kirkburn | I know |
| 23:42.16 | Kirkburn | But not today |
| 23:42.19 | Bagginsww | kirburn so you want to do that for all novels |
| 23:42.21 | Adys | yup |
| 23:42.24 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, no |
| 23:42.37 | Bagginsww | is that only there for now? |
| 23:42.39 | Kirkburn | Just for now because I don't want to 'prove' them right |
| 23:42.43 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 23:43.04 | Kirkburn | Having said that ... |
| 23:43.15 | Kirkburn | It probably should mention that on RPG-only things |
| 23:43.27 | Zeal | Kirkburn, you're not proving them right by removing it, you're proving ME right by removing it |
| 23:43.45 | Bagginsww | problem is |
| 23:43.49 | Bagginsww | alot of material is rpg only |
| 23:43.51 | Zeal | and i do want that gone.. seriously. it discredits the source and is against he lore policy |
| 23:43.52 | Bagginsww | and blizzard states; |
| 23:44.01 | Zeal | *the |
| 23:44.12 | Bagginsww | "Want to know more about the lore of World of Warcraft? The game doesn't require any additional reading to play. However, you might enjoy gaining a more detailed knowledge of Warcraft lore. Here are some resources that are available: ...RPGs... Warcraft Role-Playing Games provide a wealth of information about Warcraft lore." |
| 23:44.21 | Kirkburn | Good point |
| 23:44.23 | Bagginsww | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/index.html |
| 23:44.32 | Bagginsww | "We're taking the process of building a world seriously and it wasn't just churned out. It had a strong sense of continuity. We've always tried to do that with are ancillary products like the D&D line and our novels. We are kind of painstakenly anal, about making sure all the details add up, that continuity is held to be sacred. So that no matter in what medium you are experiencing warcraft it all feels like a contiguous ex |
| 23:44.32 | Bagginsww | periance." |
| 23:44.32 | Bagginsww | -Chris Metzen, World of Warcraft, Behind the Scenes DVD. |
| 23:44.34 | Kirkburn | I'll rewrite slightly again |
| 23:44.36 | Bagginsww | I have quotes on my side :p |
| 23:44.41 | Kirkburn | Okay, okay |
| 23:44.51 | Bagginsww | I can add even more metzen quotes |
| 23:44.57 | Bagginsww | I just haven't gotten around to it LOL |
| 23:45.21 | Kirkburn | Okay |
| 23:45.23 | Kirkburn | Better now |
| 23:45.29 | Kirkburn | It's just an informative note |
| 23:45.46 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, that's probably how the controversy section should be written |
| 23:46.13 | Kirkburn | Atm it doesn't really explain what the controversy link is about on the other articles |
| 23:46.18 | Bagginsww | I think to be fare we need something like that done for nvoels too |
| 23:46.27 | Bagginsww | *fair |
| 23:46.32 | Bagginsww | as there is material only mentioned in novels |
| 23:46.39 | Bagginsww | but never shows up elswhere too |
| 23:46.40 | Kirkburn | Only talking about Appendix III stuff |
| 23:46.47 | Bagginsww | k |
| 23:47.38 | Zeal | honestly, i'm onyl willing to go so fact with retro-active comments and warnings for the stupid and ignorant.. |
| 23:47.40 | Norlando | hello everyone |
| 23:47.45 | Zeal | *go so far |
| 23:48.16 | Bagginsww | alll I ask if its not official, or non-canon that they cite a ssource |
| 23:48.20 | Bagginsww | one source is all we need |
| 23:48.32 | Bagginsww | still wouldn't explain why material form that section gets refrenced in later sources however |
| 23:49.09 | Bagginsww | I wrote the appendix 3 section from blizzard's statements on the issue and refrences they made |
| 23:49.13 | Bagginsww | first |
| 23:49.17 | Bagginsww | and fan opinion last |
| 23:49.21 | Zeal | yeah, can you give and example for that Bagginsww? :P |
| 23:49.27 | Zeal | the later sources that is |
| 23:49.42 | Bagginsww | half-ogres |
| 23:49.49 | Bagginsww | first in appendix 3 |
| 23:50.01 | Bagginsww | and gets quoteed nearly word for word and expanded upon |
| 23:50.06 | Bagginsww | sprites |
| 23:50.16 | Bagginsww | show up again in Shadows & light |
| 23:50.35 | Bagginsww | mites show up in chapter 1 and appendix 3 |
| 23:50.39 | Bagginsww | in MoM |
| 23:50.47 | Zeal | ah„ kk then :P |
| 23:51.12 | Bagginsww | actually there is a handful more in the appendix 3 section article LOL |
| 23:51.30 | Bagginsww | plus mentioning how rpg books establish other creatures of their own in later books |
| 23:51.34 | Bagginsww | like mephits |
| 23:51.41 | Bagginsww | mepthis aren't in appendix 3 |
| 23:51.44 | Bagginsww | they aren't in the games either |
| 23:51.51 | Bagginsww | but are written into the lore of the RPG |
| 23:52.03 | Kirkburn | http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=32631#post32631 |
| 23:52.05 | Kirkburn | Page 3! |
| 23:52.17 | Kirkburn | Norlando, hullo! |
| 23:52.24 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 23:52.41 | Zeal | indeeds, woops lo |
| 23:52.47 | Bagginsww | kirkburn have you read the appendix 3 section? |
| 23:52.51 | Kirkburn | Oh btw, there was something mentioned about the article 'Neth'? |
| 23:52.55 | Adys | lol |
| 23:52.55 | Adys | # |
| 23:52.55 | Adys | # (Move log); 01:48 . . Kirkburn (Talk | contribs | block) (Specialconfirmemail/6e7d8c8b7b6e6788a6cba2c9a58bded3 moved to User:Gig: Better place :P) |
| 23:52.58 | Zeal | stumbled into the middle of lots of talking :P |
| 23:53.05 | Bagginsww | I had to neutralize it because it was all opinion before, not statements of act |
| 23:53.07 | Bagginsww | *fact |
| 23:53.24 | Bagginsww | whereas I can only state examples of where material shows up elswhere |
| 23:54.41 | Bagginsww | people sayin git is non-canon |
| 23:54.46 | Bagginsww | not once citing their opinion |
| 23:54.57 | Bagginsww | or that it should be viewed as non-canon |
| 23:55.03 | Kirkburn | Reading it now |
| 23:56.14 | Bagginsww | djinnis are creatures of the elemental plane |
| 23:56.27 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, it mentions "Keldorei"? |
| 23:56.38 | Kirkburn | just under -pg. 11 |
| 23:56.43 | Bagginsww | which section? |
| 23:56.46 | Bagginsww | keldorei? |
| 23:56.57 | Kirkburn | Mispelling? |
| 23:57.06 | Bagginsww | link |
| 23:57.10 | Kirkburn | keldorei |
| 23:57.11 | Bagginsww | what section do you need me to check |
| 23:57.12 | Kirkburn | argh |
| 23:57.16 | Bagginsww | i'm lost LOL |
| 23:57.33 | Kirkburn | On the MoM page |
| 23:57.40 | Bagginsww | ok going there |
| 23:58.00 | Bagginsww | ok in what part? |
| 23:58.11 | Hobinheim | did someone change the article type stripe? |
| 23:58.18 | Kirkburn | Appendix III part, under the bit .pg. 11 |
| 23:58.28 | Kirkburn | One of the quotes |
| 23:58.30 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, aye |
| 23:58.44 | Bagginsww | that's page 198 |
| 23:58.46 | Hobinheim | =( |
| 23:58.48 | Bagginsww | not 11 |
| 23:58.51 | Hobinheim | i liked the black for pc |
| 23:58.56 | Bagginsww | and ya it sspelled capitolized |
| 23:58.58 | Kirkburn | I meant literally under :P |
| 23:59.02 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 23:59.07 | Bagginsww | ya that's exact quote |
| 23:59.13 | Kirkburn | With an E? |
| 23:59.16 | Zeal | rofl |
| 23:59.19 | Bagginsww | not sure about that |
| 23:59.20 | Zeal | typos ftw |
| 23:59.23 | Bagginsww | might be my typo |
| 23:59.26 | Bagginsww | speed typing |
| 23:59.26 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 23:59.33 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 23:59.35 | Zeal | either buy you or the author :P |
| 23:59.35 | Bagginsww | but capitalized K might be |
| 23:59.38 | Hobinheim | RIP http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:PC&oldid=420161 |
| 23:59.44 | Bagginsww | I can check |
| 23:59.53 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it was just the 'e' I thought was odd |
| 23:59.59 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, awww |
