| 00:00.13 | watchout | the guildstubage bot takes over 15min to finish :P |
| 00:03.01 | watchout | um... Kirkburn|afk did you want anything now? :P |
| 00:03.18 | Karrius | He just wants to be loved. |
| 00:03.48 | watchout | well, he can have a cookie instead if he doesnt get enough love |
| 00:03.55 | Kirkburn | watchout, what happened to the other stuff watchoutbot was doing? :P |
| 00:04.04 | watchout | what other stuff? |
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| 00:04.38 | Kirkburn | See WW:BR |
| 00:04.56 | watchout | cool, we have a shortcut for BR? :D |
| 00:05.01 | Kirkburn | Yup :P |
| 00:05.31 | Kirkburn | Deprecating money templates |
| 00:05.51 | watchout | Ah well, someone's bot is already doing the gsc, gs, etc templates, either Kitan or Hobin, I don't know who it was |
| 00:07.08 | Kirkburn | kk |
| 00:07.22 | watchout | Hobin I think |
| 00:07.32 | Kitan | hobin |
| 00:08.02 | Kitan | let me know if you need something as well |
| 00:08.04 | Kitan | I suppose |
| 00:08.12 | Kirkburn | Hob ain't here :P |
| 00:08.23 | watchout | Well thats his fault :D |
| 00:09.23 | Kirkburn | We can't run out of bot stuff to do :( |
| 00:10.08 | watchout | There's still the new WW:GUILD to implement.. |
| 00:10.20 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, that |
| 00:10.34 | Kirkburn | Well, that's certainly something for some bots to do |
| 00:10.42 | watchout | wee the bot-test finished... |
| 00:10.45 | Kitan | I looked around and did anothe rone or two |
| 00:10.45 | Kitan | but I wans't sure what else needed to be done |
| 00:12.17 | watchout | look at http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Guild_stubs - looks ugly.. |
| 00:17.45 | Depherios | -- But is a typical user ever going to look at that page? or just editors? |
| 00:18.12 | Kirkburn | Just editors |
| 00:18.41 | watchout | What would a typical user gain from that page? |
| 00:18.41 | Depherios | Yeah. So why prettify it? |
| 00:19.31 | watchout | with ugly I meant because there are so many stubbed guild pages |
| 00:19.47 | Depherios | oh yes... :P -- of course |
| 00:20.34 | watchout | and more than 50% red ones - these are those that should be deleted :D |
| 00:24.06 | watchout | I'm going to sleep now, bye all |
| 00:46.02 | dotted | nn |
| 01:24.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Woah, jesus christ, SoL are worse than I thought |
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| 01:27.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Kirkburn#I_am_speechless. |
| 01:30.48 | Kirkburn|afk | I cannot possibly describe what I feel right now |
| 01:31.08 | Kirkburn|afk | (direct link http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?t=1695) |
| 01:31.40 | Kirkburn|afk | In fact, why doesn't everyone have a look to see how I got schooled by SoL |
| 01:33.57 | Kirkburn|afk | I would hope that no-one ever takes that kind of attitude on the wiki. It's utterly, utterly disgraceful |
| 01:36.03 | Kitan | sorry kirk |
| 01:36.38 | Kirkburn|afk | hmm? |
| 01:37.06 | Kitan | SoL crap |
| 01:38.06 | Skosiris | Kirk: could you tell me more about them? who the hell are they? and why are they messing with WoWWiki and yourself? |
| 01:39.13 | Kirkburn|afk | They're a lore website, mainly forums |
| 01:39.16 | sancus | im confused |
| 01:39.20 | sancus | did they ban you or something |
| 01:39.38 | Kirkburn|afk | This gives more background - http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Kirkburn/Archive05#Devil_May_Care |
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| 01:39.45 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, yup, they did |
| 01:40.22 | sancus | lorefags |
| 01:40.30 | sancus | ever reducing my faith in humanity |
| 01:41.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Apparently I got banned about a week ago, hadn't even visited site for a little while (my last posts were just chatting about lore, too, no controversy) |
| 01:41.38 | sancus | I think it's funny that anyone thinks that site is ever going to gain readership |
| 01:42.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Alexa shows it as 926,572 |
| 01:43.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Welcome Chompers |
| 01:43.58 | sancus | sancus.off.net is 1,004,409 lol |
| 01:44.00 | Chompers | hello thar |
| 01:44.09 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, lol, pretty close |
| 01:44.34 | sancus | that's actually pretty high |
| 01:44.36 | sancus | higher than vlad's blog |
| 01:44.47 | sancus | I wonder why it's so high when there's hardly anything on it |
| 01:44.52 | Chompers | so this SoL forum, is it supposed to hurt my eyes while trying to read it? |
| 01:45.40 | Chompers | or did they just copy a geocities template |
| 01:47.43 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 01:47.44 | Kirkburn|afk | No idea |
| 01:56.11 | sancus | you shouldnt get so worked up over random newbs, kirk! |
| 01:56.29 | Kirkburn|afk | They aren't though, that's the disturbing thing |
| 01:56.49 | sancus | they so are |
| 01:56.57 | sancus | how are they not |
| 01:56.58 | Kirkburn|afk | They genuinely know what they're talking about, but seem incapable of working with others |
| 01:57.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Bah |
| 01:57.37 | Kirkburn|afk | You're right, I shouldn't get so worked up |
| 01:57.40 | sancus | 'knowing what you're talking about' in terms of wow lore is not exactly rocket science nor a qualification verifying non-newb status |
| 01:58.11 | Kirkburn|afk | But it's hard when a bunch of people spend their days insulting and gloating over preventing me doing something I didn't like doing anyway |
| 01:58.21 | sancus | welcome to the internet |
| 01:59.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Whole threads dedicated to "lol @ you!"? *sigh* I guess you're right |
| 01:59.51 | sancus | there is like |
| 01:59.53 | sancus | a fucking |
| 02:00.09 | sancus | million page thread on mozillazine laughing at my team |
| 02:00.31 | Kirkburn|afk | ouch |
| 02:01.13 | sancus | though I think they've gotten more civil lately |
| 02:01.17 | sancus | I have nfc honestly since I dont read mozillazine |
| 02:01.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I updated http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Kirkburn#I_am_speechless with more thoughts |
| 02:01.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Groupthink is both a wonderful and awful thing |
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| 02:02.50 | Kirkburn|afk | When people of similar views get together, often the result with be everyone becoming even more extreme in their view, even people who were of an opposite view at first, but were 'thrown into' the group |
| 02:03.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub, morning |
| 02:03.10 | Tekkub | offe |
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| 02:03.32 | Tekkub | extreemeism is good |
| 02:03.37 | Kitan | what up Tek? |
| 02:03.55 | Tekkub | reinstalled Wista to get my keyboard and n52 back |
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| 02:04.20 | Tekkub | WinHomeServer fucked up my old backups, so I can't open the backup I made just befer reinstall |
| 02:04.43 | Adys | morning peeps |
| 02:06.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub, Adys, check out http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Kirkburn#I_am_speechless :P |
| 02:06.25 | Adys | ok |
| 02:06.32 | Tekkub | no |
| 02:06.33 | Kirkburn|afk | (I promise I won't spend the whole day harping on about this) |
| 02:08.37 | Adys | yawn |
| 02:08.45 | Tekkub | kirk, so? |
| 02:08.57 | Tekkub | looks like a bunch of bitchy people I don't even feel like reading |
| 02:09.07 | Kirkburn|afk | I got banned from SoL, it appears |
| 02:09.13 | Adys | lol |
| 02:09.37 | Adys | they are honestly a bunch of fucking idiots |
| 02:09.48 | Kitan | fucktards? |
| 02:09.58 | Adys | in fact, anyone who manages to make drama out of stupidity is a fucking idiot |
| 02:10.01 | Adys | or yes that too |
| 02:10.27 | Tekkub | fucktards doesn't quite express the vibe I'm getting |
| 02:10.35 | Tekkub | fucksmudges sounds better |
| 02:10.44 | Depherios | eww |
| 02:11.08 | Depherios | that one came with visuals... *shudders* |
| 02:11.46 | Kirkburn|afk | niice |
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| 02:16.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Industrial, how goes the guides? :) |
| 02:17.59 | Industrial | 1 so far, heh |
| 02:18.24 | TecnoBrat | blah, stupid Canucks |
| 02:19.32 | Industrial | Ill go and make another one now |
| 02:19.36 | Industrial | for the 1-6 areas |
| 02:23.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Cool |
| 02:23.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay, IE7 has finally recognised the WoWWiki favicon |
| 02:26.50 | sancus | welcome to firetown |
| 02:47.18 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Daemonthing.jpg lovely |
| 02:48.48 | Kirkburn|afk | I've done a massive update to the Netherwing stuff |
| 02:49.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, wtf is that? |
| 02:49.44 | Bagginsww | artwork from first warcraft RPG, it has similarities to daemons of wc1 and 2 |
| 02:51.08 | Bagginsww | course that also makes it similar to ered'ruin too |
| 02:55.52 | Industrial | ugh Kirkburn|afk I really dont feel like it now :X |
| 02:55.57 | Kirkburn|afk | heh, fine |
| 02:56.11 | Industrial | its kind of boring |
| 02:56.12 | Industrial | :P |
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| 02:58.30 | cyt0plas | Is it a known issue that some pages are having DB issues (transaction-related). |
| 02:58.54 | cyt0plas | ? |
| 02:59.57 | cyt0plas | Specifically http://www.wowwiki.com/Paladin:_How_to_Kill_A... |
| 03:00.10 | Bagginsww | so ya kirkburn today I've come across what I believe are two more images of half-elves, and another image of half-orc |
| 03:00.20 | Bagginsww | we can thank Metzen for 2 of the 3 images, :) |
| 03:00.20 | Kirkburn|afk | oooh, link |
| 03:00.35 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Allianceraces.jpg |
| 03:00.40 | Kirkburn|afk | cyt0plas, logged in or out? |
| 03:00.47 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Half-elfmagicuser.jpg |
| 03:01.09 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Horderaces.jpg |
| 03:01.20 | Bagginsww | going to get a better scan of those btw |
| 03:01.39 | Bagginsww | I mean the two metzen ones |
| 03:01.57 | Kirkburn|afk | cyt0plas, fixed |
| 03:02.12 | Bagginsww | anycase enjoy |
| 03:02.33 | Kirkburn|afk | For pages like that, someone just has to edit the page to fix it (no changes needed, even) |
| 03:09.46 | Bagginsww | anycase now that I know the RPG thinks of half-elves as having shorter pointed ears, I may hae to look through all the books to see if there are any more examples |
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| 03:10.20 | Bagginsww | it would appear half-orcs show up with either short pointed ears, or rounded human-like ears |
| 03:10.43 | cyt0plas | thx for the fix |
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| 03:15.22 | Kirkburn|afk | (slowdown atm is likely my fault) |
| 03:17.14 | Bagginsww | you killed it :( |
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| 03:18.30 | Kirkburn|afk | It was hardly a big change :/ |
| 03:28.43 | Bagginsww | Keeps on reminding myself I need to make an article on "angel"s, :p |
| 03:29.17 | Bagginsww | although I may call it "angelic being" |
| 03:29.23 | Bagginsww | as the RPG describes them |
| 03:30.41 | Bagginsww | You know it would be cool if you could click on buildings that have representations in wc2 and 3, and hear the classic warcraft sounds, LOL |
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| 03:31.01 | Bagginsww | or hear the sounds as you enter the building |
| 03:31.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, so true |
| 03:31.25 | Bagginsww | It would be hilarious if you enter Northshire Abbey, and hear, "Deo Gracias" |
| 03:32.13 | Bagginsww | I still think hero's in the game should share their hero unit voiceovers from WC2 or 3, if they don't have original voiceovers already heh heh. |
| 03:32.34 | Skyfire | lol |
| 03:32.39 | Skyfire | that would be cool |
| 03:33.24 | Bagginsww | I mean who doesn't want to hear Kurdran talk about his Haggis again? |
| 03:33.55 | Bagginsww | Ye got a belly full o' haggis! |
| 03:34.16 | Bagginsww | and finally end with Ach! There's no hope for this lad. |
| 03:35.40 | Skyfire | baggins |
| 03:35.57 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 03:35.58 | Skyfire | nv |
| 03:35.59 | Skyfire | m |
| 03:36.59 | Bagginsww | Well, I absolutley love how old hillsbrad has wc3 character models, and music is very WC2 styled. |
| 03:37.22 | Skyfire | go go hillsbrad |
| 03:37.37 | Skyfire | site of the first orcish invasion of the second war, iirc :) |
| 03:39.04 | Skyfire | kirkburn, are you going to tweak those pages anymore? |
| 03:39.15 | Bagginsww | it was first built during hte second war |
| 03:39.37 | Bagginsww | as a bulwark to stop the invading horde |
| 03:39.39 | Skyfire | first mission on alliance side i think |
| 03:39.41 | Skyfire | weeeeee |
| 03:39.45 | Bagginsww | and was destroyed |
| 03:39.50 | Skyfire | :D |
| 03:39.55 | Bagginsww | both sides mention that in the campaign |
| 03:39.59 | Bagginsww | and later rebuilt |
| 03:40.25 | Bagginsww | I don't think stratholme in WC3 is the original strahtholme |
| 03:40.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, what pages> |
| 03:40.33 | Bagginsww | more like "new stratholme" |
| 03:40.34 | Skyfire | the class pages |
| 03:40.39 | Bagginsww | old stratholme was wiped out |
| 03:40.45 | Skyfire | you moved a bunch, and i don't wanna get in the way :o |
| 03:40.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, nah, go ahead |
| 03:40.57 | Bagginsww | and was southern lordaeron |
| 03:41.00 | Bagginsww | by the ocean |
| 03:41.05 | Skyfire | cool |
| 03:41.16 | Skyfire | uh, that is where it is now baggins |
| 03:41.19 | Skyfire | oh wait |
| 03:41.20 | Skyfire | nvm |
| 03:41.33 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 03:41.52 | Bagginsww | ya old stratholme was a major shipping city |
| 03:42.01 | Bagginsww | had lots of shipyards |
| 03:42.20 | Bagginsww | Orcs took it out in order to stop much of the alliance fleet. |
| 03:43.39 | Bagginsww | X. The Destruction of Stratholme |
| 03:43.39 | Bagginsww | Stratholme, the chief source of Alliance Oil in the north, is preparing |
| 03:43.39 | Bagginsww | to deliver massive amounts of Oil to the kingdoms in western |
| 03:43.39 | Bagginsww | Lordaeron. You must sabotage their Refineries and Platforms to halt |
| 03:43.40 | Bagginsww | this shipment. Once Stratholme's ability to gather and process Oil is |
| 03:43.40 | Bagginsww | destroyed, proceed to crush any and all resistance offered by the |
| 03:43.42 | Bagginsww | Alliance. |
| 03:43.44 | Bagginsww | sorry |
| 03:44.13 | Skyfire | i prolly remember that one |
| 03:44.13 | Skyfire | :x |
| 03:44.14 | Skyfire | i wish they had had sea warfare in wc3 ;_; |
| 03:44.19 | Skyfire | that would've been awesome. |
| 03:44.34 | Bagginsww | ya TFT added the sea warfare |
| 03:44.38 | Bagginsww | it was fun |
| 03:44.47 | Bagginsww | unfortuantely I missed the submarines ;) |
| 03:44.50 | Skyfire | i meant, adding oil :P |
| 03:44.57 | Bagginsww | oh sure |
| 03:45.14 | Bagginsww | but TFT sea warfare was similar to WC2 battles |
| 03:45.22 | Bagginsww | minus oil, and subs |
| 03:45.31 | Bagginsww | although sub was mainly scouting? |
| 03:46.21 | Skyfire | it could kill other subs |
| 03:46.26 | Skyfire | but other than that, yah |
| 03:46.30 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 03:46.41 | Skyfire | dragons and gryphons could kill it... :x |
| 03:46.49 | Bagginsww | hopes we can get subs in a water expansion :) |
| 03:47.26 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Stratholme needs a rewrite :p |
| 03:48.13 | Bagginsww | well its one thing to refrence its existence during the second war, but its another to copletely ignore its involvement :p |
| 03:48.52 | Bagginsww | It needs to be pointed out that it was completely destroyed LOL, and likely rebuilt later |
| 03:48.52 | Skyfire | lol |
| 03:49.29 | Bagginsww | With the destruction of Stratholme, the Alliance supply lines to |
| 03:49.29 | Bagginsww | Quel'thalas have been severed. |
| 03:49.34 | Skyfire | kirk, i'm tagging some stuff for speedys here; i'll need deletion services provided soon :) |
| 03:49.39 | Bagginsww | mssion after the "Destruction of Straholme" |
| 03:50.06 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hillsbrad heh heh |
| 03:50.15 | Skyfire | lol |
| 03:51.05 | Bagginsww | ya and that history is based on what is said in both compaigns, they refrence each other |
| 03:51.50 | Skyfire | ewwwwwwww |
| 03:52.35 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Channel_Islands |
| 03:52.47 | Bagginsww | class pages? |
| 03:53.35 | Bagginsww | so ya, love the story in God of War II heh |
| 03:55.22 | Bagginsww | Not sure what to think of Kraytos, a tragic hero, a ruthless evil leader, etc |
| 03:55.52 | Bagginsww | but the story kind of turns the Olympiads into corrupt leaders, and titans having some benevolance. |
| 03:55.55 | Adys | o |
| 03:55.57 | Adys | oO* |
| 03:56.25 | Bagginsww | won't say more, don't want to spoil if anyone is going to play the series |
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| 03:56.32 | Bagginsww | but I recommend start with the first one |
| 03:56.46 | Bagginsww | story is too good to play out of order |
| 03:58.03 | Bagginsww | oh basically the Titan, Kronos, is definitely portrayed to be evil. |
| 03:58.13 | Bagginsww | Gaia on the other hand isn't |
| 03:58.26 | Adys | Baggins, who is Khoraazi? |
| 03:58.30 | Adys | I know its a consortium guy |
| 03:58.31 | Bagginsww | Khoraazi? |
| 03:58.42 | Bagginsww | uh, I'm not good with individual npc names :p |
| 03:58.44 | Adys | but the only ingame reference to him is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29121 |
| 03:59.07 | Adys | and a consortium guy saying when doing a reputation quest 'Ill make sure Khoraazi hears about your work." |
| 03:59.20 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 04:00.06 | Bagginsww | I don't think he's in game yet? |
| 04:00.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, don't delete redirects immediately |
| 04:01.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Think about whether or not someone outside the wiki may be linking to it |
| 04:01.56 | Bagginsww | well i'm off to kill some more greek myths |
| 04:01.58 | Skyfire | yeah |
| 04:02.04 | Adys | where kirk? |
| 04:02.10 | Skyfire | i'll make those redirects ;( |
| 04:02.19 | Bagginsww | I killed Theseus not long ago. |
| 04:02.26 | Skyfire | or maybe someone else could do that... |
| 04:02.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh wait, I see it's all a bit messy |
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| 04:03.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Working with and Help a are pretty much the same thing :/ |
| 04:03.15 | Skyfire | and i'm moving the info to working with |
| 04:03.26 | Skyfire | pally, rogue, and priest are done |
| 04:04.03 | Skyfire | and mage |
| 04:04.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, I see what they are "Working with" is for others to work with the class in question, "Help a" is for that class to help others |
| 04:04.25 | Skyfire | yes |
| 04:04.31 | Skyfire | but it can all be on the samge page |
| 04:04.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, seems fair (and less confusing) |
| 04:04.40 | Skyfire | i'm working on a differnt name |
| 04:04.54 | Kirkburn|afk | As long as it all works out in the end :P |
| 04:04.57 | Skyfire | pft |
| 04:04.58 | Skyfire | it will |
| 04:05.00 | Skyfire | :P |
| 04:05.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Afk again |
| 04:05.26 | Adys | Woah |
| 04:05.30 | Adys | the water elemental tanks well |
| 04:05.33 | Adys | mage one |
| 04:05.36 | Skyfire | yah |
| 04:05.51 | Adys | parry, dodge, dodge, miss, miss, and big armor reduction for an imp-like pet >> |
| 04:05.57 | Skyfire | lol |
| 04:06.11 | Bagginsww | I miss my water elemental |
| 04:06.47 | Bagginsww | would love if they took the timer off it so it could last until it dies, but take longer before you can summon another ;) |
| 04:07.09 | cyt0plas | remove timer from shadowfiend! :) |
| 04:07.15 | Skyfire | it's up for 45 sec, right baggins? |
| 04:07.18 | Skyfire | cd is 3 min? |
| 04:07.22 | Adys | y |
| 04:07.38 | Skyfire | so, have it summoned for x time, with cd being 3x time |
| 04:07.40 | Skyfire | :] |
| 04:07.50 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 04:07.50 | Skyfire | i know the cd starts when pet is summoned |
| 04:08.12 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Khoraazi |
| 04:09.04 | Bagginsww | http://www.islandofrhodes.org/default.aspx |
| 04:09.54 | Bagginsww | In the web-based video series, God of War II: From Myth To Legend, David Jaffe hints at the future of the series. He says, "God of War explains, or ultimately will explain, why there are no more Greek myths." |
| 04:10.10 | Bagginsww | uh ya because kraytos kills them all LOL |
| 04:10.19 | Bagginsww | Its pretty apparent |
| 04:10.37 | Bagginsww | In this game, Harry Hamlin reprises his role as Perseus (Kratos's half-brother). Hamlin previously portrayed Perseus in the 1981 film Clash of the Titans. |
| 04:10.39 | Bagginsww | ahh cool |
| 04:10.58 | Skyfire | sigh |
| 04:10.59 | Skyfire | adys |
| 04:11.06 | Adys | sup |
| 04:11.24 | Skyfire | delete http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Volition&rcid=513988 ... it's the fifth or sixth time its been created, and always by the same person |
| 04:12.45 | Adys | done and blocked |
| 04:12.45 | Bagginsww | its went through the 30 day, guild stub process? |
| 04:12.53 | Adys | yeah baggins |
| 04:13.02 | Bagginsww | wow |
| 04:13.11 | Bagginsww | what an idiot LOL |
| 04:13.30 | cyt0plas | Fun. |
| 04:13.48 | cyt0plas | Guys like that are why our corporate wiki had a FANN/askimet based anti-spam filter. |
| 04:13.58 | cyt0plas | Finally ended up replacing the wiki with something else. |
| 04:14.42 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: beep |
| 04:15.22 | Kirkburn|afk | honk |
| 04:15.26 | Skyfire | woop |
| 04:15.30 | Skyfire | oh wait, didn't want me |
| 04:15.31 | Adys | Ive got an idea to remake slightly the PA and PC policies |
| 04:16.13 | Adys | 1/ Player Characters etc should either be under User:Author/Subpage or under Server:Native_Server/Subpage |
| 04:16.26 | Skyfire | naturally |
| 04:16.35 | Adys | 2/ Personal Articles should always be under User:Author/Subpage namespace |
| 04:17.30 | Adys | 3/ Create a template for PA "The author of this FF allows modification of content" |
| 04:17.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Regarding Volition, I think in the next update, we can lock uncreated pages |
| 04:17.35 | Adys | how does that sound? |
| 04:18.24 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:PC has never been ratified :P Probably not needed at all given WW:PA |
| 04:18.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Seems fair |
| 04:18.47 | Adys | We should do something about it |
| 04:18.53 | Adys | the cleanup is almost done tbh |
| 04:20.01 | Bagginsww | gg... Northshire... |
| 04:20.04 | Adys | Second thing |
| 04:20.11 | Adys | what do we do about the external links? |
| 04:20.25 | Skyfire | ugh... my internet broke. |
| 04:20.46 | Bagginsww | uh well wowwiki broke |
| 04:20.53 | Adys | yea |
| 04:21.03 | Skyfire | skit |
| 04:21.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, once voted in, notice on Village pump and ask people to convert |
| 04:21.23 | Adys | I meant, {{elinks-item}} etc |
| 04:21.54 | cyt0plas | server downtime |
| 04:21.54 | cyt0plas | fun |
| 04:22.16 | cyt0plas | a jaded sysadmin who came in over some mediawiki errors :) |
| 04:22.23 | Skyfire | lol |
| 04:22.25 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 04:22.27 | cyt0plas | Ran mediawiki sites for some time :) |
| 04:22.38 | cyt0plas | Did some evil hacks using mediawiki as a backend for smarty templates |
| 04:22.51 | cyt0plas | <!-- { include file="Wiki:Something evil" } --> |
| 04:22.53 | Skyfire | so you would be here to help vlad and sancus? |
| 04:23.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Our wiki owner has just gone on holiday, but if you hang around until thursday you might be able to give him some tips |
| 04:23.08 | cyt0plas | The scary thing is that I used the wiki to hold config file templates for IRC servers :) |
| 04:23.23 | Adys | Nuh huh |
| 04:23.39 | cyt0plas | Unrealircd supports remote configs if curl is present :) |
| 04:23.47 | Skyfire | ok, who edited a template? |
| 04:24.13 | cyt0plas | didn't want to give people shell access - this way, when they broke a config, it could be reverted. |
| 04:24.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, you? :P |
| 04:24.37 | Skyfire | wasn't me! |
| 04:24.44 | Skyfire | haven't touched no templates yet |
| 04:24.53 | cyt0plas | One of my servers - http://coreforge.org/sysinfo/ |
| 04:25.28 | cyt0plas | / reiserfs /dev/sda3 3% 1159.48 GB 30.58 GB 1190.07 GB |
| 04:25.32 | cyt0plas | fun little box :) |
| 04:25.33 | Skyfire | I think, Kirkburn, what I'm going to do, is just change "working with a... (Class)" to "working with a (Class) |
| 04:26.16 | Kirkburn|afk | And the others? |
| 04:26.34 | Skyfire | I think, Kirkburn, what I'm going to do, is just change "working with a... (Class)" to "working with a (Class) |
| 04:26.37 | Skyfire | oops |
| 04:26.41 | Skyfire | which others? |
| 04:27.31 | Kirkburn|afk | How to kill a... |
| 04:27.55 | Skyfire | ah |
| 04:27.58 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 04:28.26 | Skyfire | leave the dots in on those ftm. i'll think of a name... |
| 04:29.15 | Adys | Allakhazam should go |
| 04:29.45 | Skyfire | vysogota says it shouldnt |
| 04:29.49 | Skyfire | ;o |
| 04:29.59 | Adys | cool, I say it should >> |
| 04:30.02 | Skyfire | he's the one filling in items that drop in new instances |
| 04:30.03 | Skyfire | lol |
| 04:30.22 | Adys | yeah and Im the one thinking we should delete all item pages |
| 04:32.00 | Skyfire | yeah |
| 04:32.00 | Adys | We need some sort of inclusion, tho |
| 04:32.00 | Skyfire | too bad this isn't a dictatorship |
| 04:32.00 | Skyfire | yeah, i was thinking about that. |
| 04:32.00 | Skyfire | wonder if sko can set it up so that we can transclude tooltips from wowhead... |
| 04:32.01 | Skyfire | instead of having the evil thing we all know of as {{tooltip}} |
| 04:32.11 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: is it possible with mediawiki 1.9.3 to have an arg on a page telling whether its been deleted before? |
| 04:32.17 | Adys | Er, nvm |
| 04:32.23 | Adys | would be useless anyways |
| 04:33.58 | Adys | ah and lag is back, fun |
| 04:34.34 | Skyfire | notrly |
| 04:35.29 | Adys | for me |
| 04:36.00 | Skosiris | lol |
| 04:36.38 | Skosiris | Sky: Teomyr is working on something I think |
| 04:36.48 | Skyfire | :] |
| 04:37.05 | Skosiris | http://vs157092.vserver.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Wowhead_integration |
| 04:37.36 | Adys | http://vs157092.vserver.de/wowwikitest/index.php/User:Adys |
| 04:37.45 | Adys | been working on it for a while |
| 04:38.06 | Skosiris | Sky: both Adys and Teomyr are on it** |
| 04:38.11 | Adys | :P |
| 04:38.16 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 04:39.39 | Adys | Skosiris, can you buy thottbot and allakhazam networks so we dont have to care about elinks anymore? |
| 04:39.41 | Skyfire | me likey |
| 04:39.43 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 04:40.03 | Adys | Or should I put that too on the "list"? >> |
| 04:40.28 | cyt0plas | people spamming for them? |
| 04:40.49 | Adys | No but a lot of shit going on about it |
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| 04:40.51 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ |
| 04:40.57 | cyt0plas | like what? |
| 04:41.00 | Adys | sec, let me link |
| 04:41.29 | Skyfire | my internet pipes clogged up again. |
| 04:41.29 | cyt0plas | tubes? |
| 04:41.29 | Skosiris | haha |
| 04:41.48 | Skosiris | we don't have a gold selling company behind us, I'm afraid we couldn't afford it =/ |
| 04:41.59 | cyt0plas | What's wrong with gold selling? |
| 04:41.59 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 04:42.03 | Adys | I can sell you gold if you want |
| 04:43.27 | Adys | cyt0plas: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Thottbot.2C_Allakhazam.2C_AmpWoW.2C_Wowhead_elinks |
| 04:44.53 | cyt0plas | rel=nofollow? |
| 04:44.59 | cyt0plas | Then you aren't a "link farm" :) |
| 04:48.15 | Skyfire | kirkburn |
| 04:48.32 | Skyfire | eh, nvm |
| 04:52.35 | Skyfire | upcoming template edit |
| 04:52.38 | Skyfire | brace yourselves! |
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| 04:53.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, for new users, please add the {{subst:signedwelcome|<name>}} template (and tread lightly) :) |
| 04:54.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Same @ other admins - if you're starting off a user's talk page, welcome them first, then comment |
| 04:54.55 | Bagginsww | can you make a shorter template that does the same thing? |
| 04:55.03 | Bagginsww | cause that's really hard to remember :p |
| 04:55.27 | Bagginsww | like maybe {{Welcome|<name>}} |
| 04:56.23 | Skyfire | truth |
| 04:56.26 | Skyfire | else I'd be using it |
| 04:56.28 | Skyfire | >.> |
| 04:56.38 | Skyfire | template edit = now |
| 04:56.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Subst is required |
| 04:56.57 | Kirkburn|afk | And welcome already exists, it's just not signed |
| 04:57.17 | Skyfire | -_- |
| 04:57.20 | cyt0plas | Ditch the whole "personal name" thing - {{yo}} - "Hello, we're too lazy to type in a tag that's longer than 3 letters, so hey, random person. You're just another face on this internet thingie, and don't really matter at all in the grand scheme of things. Now get off our lawn." |
| 04:57.22 | Kirkburn|afk | All you need to remember is the signedwelcome bit :P |
| 04:57.32 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 04:57.42 | Kirkburn|afk | >.< |
| 04:58.03 | cyt0plas | I susbscribe to the BOFH school of systems administration. |
| 04:58.23 | cyt0plas | Computers would work so much better, if only people weren't allowed to use them. |
| 04:58.40 | Bagginsww | In a perfect world it people who sign up should automatically get a welcome message "botted" in |
| 04:58.59 | cyt0plas | It's a pretty simple PHP edit. |
| 04:59.04 | Skyfire | kirkburn, why not just make it {{signedwelcome|name}} :/ |
| 04:59.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Do you know what subst does? |
| 04:59.31 | Skyfire | yes |
| 04:59.35 | Skyfire | i think :/ |
| 04:59.44 | Kirkburn|afk | It inserts the template's code |
| 05:00.03 | Thrae | I just realized the President of the United States can, within one single day, end the world as we know it. The current administration has shown the oversight on the President's actions is very lax. Nukes could go flying to China tommorrow, who'd send their own flying back. |
| 05:00.07 | Skyfire | o |
| 05:00.21 | Skyfire | within a single day? |
| 05:00.26 | cyt0plas | No, we'd send our own flying back. |
| 05:00.27 | Skyfire | withing a single minute |
| 05:00.31 | Skyfire | -_- |
| 05:00.36 | cyt0plas | Nah - takes about 15 or so. |
| 05:00.44 | Skyfire | to launch? don't think so |
| 05:00.48 | Skyfire | maybe to get there though :) |
| 05:00.52 | cyt0plas | Yeah |
| 05:00.57 | cyt0plas | And more importantly, to get to us. |
| 05:01.04 | Skyfire | naturally |
| 05:01.07 | Thrae | The entire process of ending the world would probably take at least half a day. |
| 05:01.20 | Thrae | I mean, nukes are powerful, but not THAT powerful. |
| 05:01.27 | cyt0plas | That's a very arrogant view. |
| 05:01.33 | Skyfire | he can order them launched at the same time thrae |
| 05:01.40 | Skyfire | and they'll all be leaving in about 3 min |
| 05:01.46 | cyt0plas | Actually, if we nuked 95% of the humans at once, we would kill a very small fraction of life on earth. |
| 05:01.50 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 05:02.01 | Skyfire | are you counting bugs? :P |
| 05:02.07 | cyt0plas | Bacteria. |
| 05:02.14 | Thrae | cyt0plas: Hence "as we know it". |
| 05:02.26 | Skyfire | lol |
| 05:02.28 | cyt0plas | But the world wouldn't be ended. |
| 05:02.32 | cyt0plas | Human life would |
| 05:02.59 | Thrae | cyt0plas: If all humans died, the world would end, as we know it. |
| 05:03.12 | Thrae | The operative word being "we", Mr. Literalist. |
| 05:03.12 | Skyfire | Lol |
| 05:03.30 | Skyfire | ok, question: how do you cleanse something in a corrupted something else? |
| 05:03.37 | Skyfire | does that in any way make sense? |
| 05:03.53 | Skyfire | eg; washing plates in dirty water |
| 05:04.37 | cyt0plas | If the world ended, would "we" know it at all? |
| 05:04.46 | Thrae | "I shall cleanse these dishes, which sit in their germified corruption, upon this marble sink of filth." |
| 05:04.58 | Skyfire | exactly. |
| 05:05.04 | Skyfire | now does that make sense? |
| 05:05.15 | Thrae | Makes sense to me, if you're Edgar Allen Poe. |
| 05:05.32 | Skyfire | he was mad though :/ |
| 05:05.42 | Skyfire | so it makes sense to a nut. okie dokie. |
| 05:05.48 | Bagginsww | "Praise be to the Bomb" |
| 05:05.53 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 05:06.00 | Thrae | cyt0plas: Yes, because "we" implies those that generally agree on the simplistics of reality. |
| 05:06.08 | Bagginsww | we can all become mutants and worship nukes under the ground |
| 05:06.23 | cyt0plas | Fallout meets warcraft? Sounds fun. |
| 05:06.52 | Thrae | Skyfire: It has no place in today's world, it's archaic, hence it's poetic. |
| 05:07.06 | Thrae | Bagginsww: What movie was that again? Planet of the Apes? |
| 05:07.09 | Bagginsww | Fallout was probably refrencing second Planet of the apes |
| 05:07.17 | Bagginsww | ya thrae, the second one |
| 05:07.21 | Thrae | One of the Planet of the Apes |
| 05:07.30 | Bagginsww | 2nd of five, LOL |
| 05:07.44 | Thrae | Fallout has mutants, no apes :D |
| 05:07.55 | Skyfire | :] |
| 05:07.56 | Bagginsww | well I meant the underground bomb worshping mutants |
| 05:08.09 | Thrae | Oh yeah, Fallout does have a reference to that |
| 05:08.30 | Thrae | Fallout is hilarious, Fallout 2 especially |
| 05:08.42 | Bagginsww | I missed them :( |
| 05:09.06 | Thrae | I still play Fallout 2 from time to time |
| 05:09.08 | Bagginsww | I never got to play them |
| 05:09.11 | Bagginsww | sound funny |
| 05:09.12 | Thrae | Never, ever gets old |
| 05:09.17 | Bagginsww | Loves Jade Empire though |
| 05:09.30 | Thrae | Bagginsww: Never heard of it |
| 05:09.34 | Skyfire | how many double redirects do we have now? |
| 05:09.41 | Bagginsww | its bioware's last game |
| 05:09.44 | Bagginsww | well released |
| 05:09.51 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Empire |
| 05:09.53 | Skyfire | kirkburn |
| 05:10.00 | Thrae | Ahh, well Fallout is different, I'm not sure who has the rights to it now... |
| 05:10.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Fallout 3 is in development |
| 05:10.18 | Skyfire | do you think "Partying with Druids" would work as a good new name? |
| 05:10.23 | Kirkburn|afk | The official website just launched today |
| 05:10.28 | Thrae | Kirkburn|afk: For the last 4 years |
| 05:10.28 | Skyfire | vs, how to help |
| 05:10.33 | Skyfire | or working with, i guess. |
| 05:10.37 | Kirkburn|afk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_3 |
| 05:10.38 | Thrae | It's last Masters of Orion 3 |
| 05:10.42 | Bagginsww | The brit guy in the game is best character in the game imo heh he |
| 05:10.46 | Kirkburn|afk | http://fallout.bethsoft.com/ |
| 05:10.46 | Thrae | It's like Masters of Orion 3 |
| 05:11.01 | Bagginsww | he's basically spoof on all the colonialist britain. |
| 05:11.01 | Thrae | Ah right, Bethsoft has the rights now |
| 05:11.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, I think partying is too specific |
| 05:11.35 | Bagginsww | Has the guy form MOnty Python doing the voice |
| 05:11.41 | Thrae | Bagginsww: Almost everything in Fallout is a joke or funny reference to something, and it has very specific weapon details for the gun nuts, while also being a turn-based isometric RPG |
| 05:11.42 | Skyfire | Working with Druids work? |
| 05:11.51 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 05:11.53 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 05:12.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, actually partying is probably better |
| 05:12.36 | Kirkburn|afk | It's really hard to sum up succinctly :/ |
| 05:12.39 | Skyfire | yeah |
| 05:12.41 | Skyfire | i know :/ |
| 05:12.52 | Bagginsww | basically you get into this debate with the colonialist guy |
| 05:12.55 | Thrae | Collaborating with Druids |
| 05:12.59 | Skyfire | i thought about that |
| 05:13.08 | Bagginsww | between why britain's way of life is better than "china" |
| 05:13.13 | Skyfire | wonder if there's a simpler word for it... |
| 05:13.35 | Bagginsww | note it never calls the empire china, and land where the guy comes from britain, but its implied |
| 05:13.39 | Thrae | Skyfire: thesaurus.com! |
| 05:13.49 | Skyfire | Assisting Druids |
| 05:13.51 | Skyfire | :) |
| 05:13.55 | Skyfire | well ugh |
| 05:13.56 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 05:14.02 | Bagginsww | basically it breaks down into battle of wits and insults, you win |
| 05:14.11 | Bagginsww | and then he challenges you to a duel |
| 05:14.25 | Bagginsww | he uses his blunderbuss, and you stick to martial arts/magic |
| 05:14.39 | Bagginsww | if you defeat him you have the option of getting his gun, Ol Betsy |
| 05:14.43 | Bagginsww | or whatever it was called |
| 05:14.53 | Skyfire | i think how those pages are set up are just bad |
| 05:14.54 | Bagginsww | But he was one of the most hilarious characters ever. |
| 05:14.56 | Skyfire | maybe that's it |
| 05:15.04 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 05:15.44 | Thrae | Bagginsww: In the original Fallout, the world is, of course, a post-apocalyptic nightmare. The common currency in where you start out is Bottle Caps from all the soda cans that survived the nuclear attack. |
| 05:15.57 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 05:17.06 | Thrae | To spoil the story, the apocalypse happened over oil (seem familiar?). Even though Fallout 2 is about 6 years old now, it had this scenario: The world is running out of oil. Two countries had a strangehold on the small amount left -- the USA and China. The USA even goes as far to annex Canada because they need oil too. |
| 05:17.23 | Thrae | USA and China fight over the last oil platform, and nuclear holocaust commences. |
| 05:18.09 | Thrae | I still remember one of the notes you can find in a secret lab in Fallout 2: "20xx - The USA annexes Canada. They get a 40% tax cut." |
| 05:18.29 | Bagginsww | Sir Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom, The Magnificent Bastard. |
| 05:18.35 | Skyfire | aha |
| 05:18.36 | Bagginsww | played by John Cleese |
| 05:18.38 | Skyfire | interacting with druids |
| 05:18.56 | Thrae | Skyfire: Why the worry over how its worded? |
| 05:19.24 | Skyfire | because it doesn't suit the content very well how it's currently worded |
| 05:19.24 | Bagginsww | but ya even the name was hilarious |
| 05:19.30 | Bagginsww | thrae sounds cool |
| 05:19.31 | Thrae | Skyfire: Content? |
| 05:19.48 | Skyfire | http://www.wowwiki.com/Working_with_a..._(Druid) |
| 05:19.52 | Thrae | Bagginsww: Download it today off the internets, www.isohunt.com -- BioWare doesn't care, seeing as how they exploded |
| 05:19.59 | Skyfire | easier to change the name than the content :) |
| 05:20.09 | Bagginsww | Bioware is dead now? |
| 05:20.22 | Bagginsww | I thought they have an upcoming xbox360 game |
| 05:20.22 | Thrae | Yeah :( |
| 05:20.35 | Thrae | For the most part they are, I think |
| 05:20.56 | Skosiris | would anyone be so kind as to confirm me the location/zone of this object? -> http://www.wowhead.com/?object=185128 |
| 05:21.09 | Thrae | Skyfire: Ah, change that to "To Better Know Your Druid" |
| 05:21.10 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 05:21.21 | Bagginsww | Dragon Age (In Development) |
| 05:21.21 | Bagginsww | Mass Effect (In Development) |
| 05:21.21 | Bagginsww | Untitled Nintendo DS Project (2007) - BioWare Forms New Handheld Game Group (2006-09-20). |
| 05:21.21 | Bagginsww | Untitled MMORPG using the HeroEngine [2] |
| 05:21.21 | Bagginsww | Untitled Next Gen [3] |
| 05:21.22 | Skyfire | but it's not just that |
| 05:21.33 | Skyfire | ugh |
| 05:21.41 | Skyfire | i think i'll just sort out the content instead. |
| 05:22.00 | Thrae | Skyfire: Ah wait |
| 05:22.16 | Thrae | Skyfire: How about "Knowing The Druid Class, both in and out" |
| 05:22.25 | Skyfire | you realize how long a title that is? |
| 05:22.29 | Thrae | As the content is about from the Druid perspective and outsider's perspective |
| 05:22.45 | Thrae | Then just do "Know The Druid" |
| 05:22.52 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 05:22.56 | Skyfire | Knowing Druids |
| 05:22.58 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 05:23.06 | Skyfire | Know a Druid today! |
| 05:23.21 | Thrae | Druids: An In-Depth Field Analysis Not Relating To Mating Habits |
| 05:23.57 | Thrae | "Better Know A Druid", sounds like a Steven Colbert special |
| 05:24.07 | Skyfire | :D |
| 05:24.14 | Skyfire | goddamnit |
| 05:24.16 | Skyfire | i hate missing moves |
| 05:25.02 | Thrae | Hey, first I learn there's a Peter Pan anime, now I learn there was also an Oz anime (as in Frank Baum) |
| 05:25.28 | Skyfire | oo |
| 05:25.38 | Thrae | It's fun to see cultures intermixing. |
| 05:25.58 | Skosiris | nvm, it appears to be located in Shadowmoon valley |
| 05:27.05 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 05:27.28 | Skyfire | deo graciassssssss |
| 05:27.35 | Skyfire | give thanks, nubs |
| 05:30.17 | Skyfire | ah well, i'll figure out a name later |
| 05:31.12 | Bagginsww | well I'm going to go kill stuff, be back later. |
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| 05:46.39 | Tekkub | "Great. Now I Need to Troubleshoot My DVD Player" |
| 05:46.44 | Tekkub | great article title |
| 05:47.29 | Skyfire | lol |
| 05:50.18 | Skyfire | lol |
| 05:50.21 | Skyfire | <3 the mage forums |
| 05:50.38 | Skyfire | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=1EE6C5AEB9DEF661A5AFFCD9A159332C?topicId=94940039&sid=1 |
| 06:14.20 | Kirkburn|afk | woot, given myself a brand new ui :D |
| 06:14.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Got bored of having everything where, ugh, the /default/ UI has stuff |
| 06:22.35 | Adys | grats kirk :P |
| 06:22.45 | Kirkburn|afk | PitBull ftw |
| 06:22.59 | Adys | hm I like my UI tbh |
| 06:23.15 | Adys | FuXPFu is fucked up tho |
| 06:23.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Not for me |
| 06:23.47 | Kirkburn|afk | How so for you? |
| 06:23.52 | Adys | for reputations |
| 06:23.56 | Adys | its been for ages |
| 06:24.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Looks fine to me |
| 06:24.44 | Adys | thing is if you logged a new alt that didnt have the faction bar you were "watching" on your main |
| 06:24.49 | Adys | it gave errors etc |
| 06:25.00 | Adys | recently theres been an update |
| 06:25.11 | Adys | but since then, the reputation seems automatically abbreviated |
| 06:25.16 | Adys | "Kurenai" is "Kure" |
| 06:25.22 | Adys | Shen'Dralar is "Shen" |
| 06:25.36 | Adys | and its fugly :p |
| 06:28.32 | Tekkub | adys, of course it is |
| 06:28.40 | Tekkub | it is FucksUpFu after all |
| 06:28.48 | Adys | was waiting for it |
| 06:29.06 | Adys | I gotta agree it's fucked up beyond all recognition.. |
| 06:29.10 | Tekkub | I've called it that for a long time |
| 06:29.19 | Adys | F.U.B.A.R. come on, laugh up |
| 06:29.25 | Adys | infobot, LAUGH! |
| 06:29.34 | infobot | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
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| 06:29.35 | Tekkub | why you think we named it that |
| 06:29.40 | Tekkub | infobot sucks, fuck him |
| 06:29.55 | Adys | infobot, fuck him |
| 06:30.08 | Tekkub | infobot, you suck |
| 06:30.10 | infobot | no, *you* suck! |
| 06:31.02 | Tekkub | infobot, you suck |
| 06:31.04 | infobot | and very well I might add |
| 06:31.10 | Tekkub | better |
| 06:31.12 | Adys | lol |
| 06:33.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay, now that my UI is set up, I can not play WoW for another 2 months :D |
| 06:33.13 | Kirkburn|afk | I do love not playing WoW |
| 06:34.20 | cyt0plas | I let my computer play for me. |
| 06:34.26 | cyt0plas | It's so delightfully... recursive. |
| 06:34.35 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/bcui.jpg thats my UI more or less |
| 06:34.43 | Adys | was a whileago but didnt really change |
| 06:36.12 | Tekkub | I'm not seeing my addons on that screen, I hate you |
| 06:37.19 | Adys | What are your addons? |
| 06:37.24 | Adys | ~tekkub |
| 06:37.26 | infobot | well, tekkub is The author of many great and prominent addons, such as the original BigWigs design. He's been a long time figure in the Ace community, now recently switching to the new lighter, integrated library solution, Dongle. His personal site and SVN for non-Ace projects can be found at http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/ |
| 06:37.41 | Adys | many great and prominent addons |
| 06:37.44 | Adys | <googles> |
| 06:37.50 | Tekkub | funny cause aside from the base framework, I didn't write much of BigWigs |
| 06:37.58 | Tekkub | I never raided enough :) |
| 06:38.09 | Adys | http://www.google.fr/search?q=many+great+and+prominent+addons - I dont see your name |
| 06:38.39 | Adys | http://www.google.fr/search?q=many+great+and+prominent+addons+%2Btekkub |
| 06:38.41 | Adys | hmm |
| 06:38.47 | cyt0plas | Wrong search |
| 06:38.50 | cyt0plas | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=miserable+failure :) |
| 06:38.56 | Adys | old |
| 06:38.57 | cyt0plas | No wait, that's the president of the united states. |
| 06:39.22 | Tekkub | http://www.google.com/search?q=tekkub&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 06:39.25 | cyt0plas | Ok, I'm too tired - get a little nuts. |
| 06:39.32 | Tekkub | enjoy, you're making it too complex |
| 06:39.36 | Depherios | Did you mean: tekken? |
| 06:40.43 | Adys | "Questions involving Tekkub" eh |
| 06:40.53 | Tekkub | stupid launchpad |
| 06:40.57 | Adys | lol |
| 06:41.02 | Tekkub | I signed up there but never did anything |
| 06:41.14 | Tekkub | suddenly it's wasting all my google hits |
| 06:41.30 | Adys | I throwed up bigwigs since bc, I keep it installed but disabled |
| 06:42.06 | Adys | let me see |
| 06:44.55 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat37.html |
| 06:44.57 | Tekkub | :P |
| 06:45.43 | Depherios | that's not all of them Tekkub! |
| 06:46.00 | Tekkub | all the ones I "support" |
| 06:46.13 | Depherios | I went to go get one of yours I had there, and it wasn't there... and now I don't remember what it was... |
| 06:46.19 | Depherios | Oh well |
| 06:46.31 | Depherios | CorkFu? |
| 06:46.55 | Tekkub | still alpha :) |
| 06:47.20 | Depherios | ahh that was it XD |
| 06:49.54 | Depherios | oooh you made that chat border fix addon... thank you! :D -- I was manually just Hide()ing them via macros before you made that and did it the smart way lol |
| 06:49.54 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/temp/wowsetup.png - thats my setup |
| 06:50.03 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/temp/wowui.jpg and thats the UI itself |
| 06:50.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub, wtf with all those random addon pictures? :) |
| 06:50.59 | Kirkburn|afk | "If money is the root of all evil, how come some churches ask for it?" heh |
| 06:50.59 | Tekkub | ttf |
| 06:51.49 | Adys | Id use PriorityMail if Postman didn't do the job |
| 06:52.21 | Adys | same for express mail >< |
| 06:52.41 | Tekkub | PM and EW were the only mail bits I ever needed |
| 06:52.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Gawd, I so wanna play Starcraft right now |
| 06:53.33 | Adys | MountMe is nice but I use GoGoMount and Im not sure if MM has everything I actually need |
| 06:54.18 | Tekkub | what do you "need" |
| 06:54.34 | Adys | Keybind without macro |
| 06:54.41 | Adys | to random one of the mounts in my bags |
| 06:54.53 | Tekkub | meh, never got around to messing with that in 2.0 |
| 06:55.04 | Tekkub | MM's initial reason was random |
| 06:55.14 | Tekkub | but a custom macro is easire now |
| 06:55.22 | Thrae | What's wrong with using a macro? |
| 06:55.23 | Tekkub | but random does still work |
| 06:55.48 | Thrae | My Druid Aquatic/Travel/Mount macro works fine for me. |
| 06:56.21 | Tekkub | I was actually giving thought to making a mod that auto-generates a macro for you |
| 06:56.48 | Thrae | Tekkub: Why don't you make it auto-generate a web address to the macro :D |
| 06:57.02 | Tekkub | *shrug* |
| 06:57.15 | Thrae | What I need is an addon that can break the 256 limit, which should be easily possible with /click. |
| 06:57.20 | Tekkub | you can see why I'm not motivated to improve the mountup part, a macro's just simpler |
| 06:57.36 | Tekkub | *cough* |
| 06:58.35 | Thrae | It's on my to-do list. |
| 06:59.58 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/wowsetup.png fixed the link sorry >> |
| 07:00.11 | Adys | fucking temp |
| 07:01.20 | Adys | Ah aye, and that was my UI a couple of months ago.. http://adys.stools.net/temp/wowsetup.png |
| 07:01.23 | Adys | er |
| 07:01.29 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/random/welcomeinbc.jpg |
| 07:02.39 | Adys | Im still wondering if there would be through some dirty coding a possibility to have an ingame IRC linking |
| 07:02.45 | Adys | or even more |
| 07:03.19 | Depherios | lol |
| 07:03.21 | Depherios | MT |
| 07:08.49 | cyt0plas | Blizzard sure loves third party software. |
| 07:11.34 | Industrial | Happy birthday to me! |
| 07:11.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Happy Birthday Indy! |
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| 07:11.55 | Industrial | 20! :D |
| 07:11.58 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn|afk -> Channel info: tinyurl.com/36u82j | RC list: tinyurl.com/2oawam | UI questions? Join #wowi-lounge | Go vote! http://tinyurl.com/366sje | Nominate a Featured Article today! WW:FA | Happy Birthday Indy! |
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| 07:12.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, you're almost exactly 2 years younger than me |
| 07:17.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Remember: you aren't a teenager any more |
| 07:19.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Cool game - http://web.t-online.hu/archee83/sumotori/ |
| 07:20.06 | Industrial | I wasnt at 18 :P |
| 07:20.14 | Industrial | I feel so old |
| 07:21.23 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 07:21.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Cuuuuute video - http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=49189&src=041907_1217_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters |
| 07:54.00 | Skosiris | http://vnmedia.ign.com/screenshots/lotro/650105.jpg |
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| 07:54.25 | Skosiris | 'looks like 1997 graphics, along with a copy/paste of the WoW UI |
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| 08:02.28 | Adys | whats that, lotro? |
| 08:02.41 | Adys | Ive seen a couple of screenshots of it, it looks so much like wow |
| 08:04.57 | Skosiris | Adys: yes, that's LOTRO =/ |
| 08:05.04 | Adys | heh |
| 08:11.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Er, that is seriously low res |
| 08:12.00 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm sure the final version ain't like that (not on a reasonable PC anyway) |
| 08:12.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Don't forget the WoW UI wasn't particularly innovative in itself :P I have to say though, that UI is way too fancy for me |
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| 08:13.05 | Skosiris | fancy, huh? |
| 08:13.10 | apf | morning all |
| 08:13.44 | Kirkburn|afk | apf, morning |
| 08:14.36 | apf | Im a "first timer" here ^^.... |
| 08:15.05 | apf | just found this as I started to read the lore books after plaing WOW for a while |
| 08:15.24 | apf | and as WoW-Wiki is a grate source for looking up on lore |
| 08:15.36 | Kirkburn|afk | apf, glad to hear it :) |
| 08:16.13 | Thrae | Wowwiki is a far better source for WoW lore then WoW itself is =/ |
| 08:16.18 | Thrae | WoW needs more talkative NPCs |
| 08:16.30 | apf | ./agree |
| 08:17.42 | apf | so this i a American channel? |
| 08:18.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Nope |
| 08:18.22 | Kirkburn|afk | International |
| 08:18.46 | apf | kk |
| 08:18.57 | apf | Im from Finland myself |
| 08:19.02 | apf | ^^^ |
| 08:19.38 | Kirkburn|afk | UK here |
| 08:20.04 | apf | nice so you play WoW on an EU srv? |
| 08:25.52 | Kirkburn|afk | yup |
| 08:34.28 | Adys | Wtf |
| 08:34.35 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32494#go-to-comment-70823 |
| 08:34.40 | Adys | "[...] That would be a total of 20 stamina, 19 intellect, 29 spell crit rating, 14 spell hit rating, slight stealth detection increase and minor run speed increase... and a total of 99 spell damage." |
| 08:35.15 | Adys | for 160-200g ish mats |
| 08:35.23 | Adys | 300 counting the shatar chant |
| 08:36.51 | Skosiris | Adys |
| 08:37.04 | Adys | ya |
| 08:37.10 | Skosiris | could you wait 17 minutes |
| 08:37.20 | Adys | I can even wait 18 |
| 08:37.21 | Skosiris | and see if the countdown still works fine |
| 08:37.32 | Adys | countdown? |
| 08:37.51 | Skosiris | yeah, considering you posted that comment 14 minutes ago, in 15 minutes you should see: |
| 08:37.57 | Skosiris | "Editable for the next X seconds" |
| 08:38.03 | Skosiris | the number of seconds being updated in real time |
| 08:38.09 | Skosiris | when the # is < 30, the number turns red ! |
| 08:38.21 | Adys | I dont have the countdown skosiris >> |
| 08:38.36 | Skosiris | in 15 minutes you should see it |
| 08:38.39 | Skosiris | when there's only 1 minute left |
| 08:38.47 | Adys | uhm alright |
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| 10:07.42 | Adys | Heya love <3 |
| 10:07.54 | Teomyr | hi everyone |
| 10:08.36 | Adys | any word on the extension? |
| 10:08.50 | Teomyr | no |
| 10:09.28 | Teomyr | i was busy all the morning setting up a replacement router at home, because mine seems to have passed away :< |
| 10:12.42 | Adys | oO |
| 10:28.50 | Adys | hah |
| 10:28.57 | Adys | one more guild on my server is disbanding lol |
| 10:29.14 | Kirkburn|afk | What server is this? |
| 10:29.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Stormrage EU :P |
| 10:30.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Ugh, still got a 60 epic? |
| 10:30.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Deary me |
| 10:33.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, only revered with Exodar? Useless! :P |
| 10:33.11 | Adys | Shush |
| 10:33.23 | Adys | and two 60 epics :/ |
| 10:33.26 | Adys | three actually |
| 10:33.38 | Adys | neltharion's tear and ring of the fallen god are allright tho |
| 10:33.41 | Adys | its the other ring i hate |
| 10:34.04 | Adys | Ive got 9 revered factions I could easily get to exalted |
| 10:35.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Well ain't you just awesome :P |
| 10:35.45 | Kirkburn|afk | My chars are crap |
| 10:36.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Look up Warburn to see me |
| 10:37.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Last updated 8th March :D |
| 10:40.59 | Tekkub | muahahaha |
| 10:41.03 | Tekkub | famguy FTW |
| 10:41.15 | Tekkub | the perfect response to "ding!" |
| 10:41.17 | Tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IfH6dYZLzE |
| 10:43.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub, thanks for reminding me of that :D |
| 10:43.32 | Tekkub | fries are done! |
| 10:43.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Would you like an apple pie with that? |
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| 10:44.13 | Kirkburn|afk | I wish they'd stop with the giant gaps between episodes |
| 10:44.36 | Tekkub | gaps? |
| 10:44.38 | Tekkub | pfft |
| 10:44.57 | Tekkub | you know famguy has a 4yr cancellation between seasnos |
| 10:45.04 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 10:45.18 | Tekkub | at least it's not as bad as futurama's 7 |
| 10:45.30 | Kirkburn|afk | I can't decide whether to start watching Grey's Anatomy and Ugly Betty |
| 10:45.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub, I knoooow :( |
| 10:45.41 | Tekkub | grey's isbetter IMO |
| 10:45.51 | Tekkub | I don't like fugly betty, hubby does |
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| 10:57.08 | Patrigan | is it possible that a vandal is running around atm? |
| 10:57.38 | Patrigan | Falamontish |
| 10:58.15 | foxlit | On regent changes, anyway |
| 10:59.02 | foxlit | Should add them to the top of the known vandals list, btw |
| 10:59.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Done |
| 10:59.58 | Patrigan | yeah |
| 11:00.01 | Patrigan | already noted that |
| 11:00.03 | Patrigan | funny thing was |
| 11:00.10 | Patrigan | he vandalised the vandal list page aswell xD |
| 11:00.34 | Patrigan | oh and I hate Nathanyel :( |
| 11:00.43 | Patrigan | he was reverting mere seconds before me :( |
| 11:00.48 | foxlit | Mwhahaha? |
| 11:01.01 | Patrigan | die! :( |
| 11:01.11 | foxlit | Well, it's not me, in any case |
| 11:01.41 | Patrigan | :) |
| 11:01.56 | Kirkburn|afk | You /gotta/ see the latest G news :D http://media.worldofwarcraft.com/crisisatdaportal/crisisatdaportal_eg.html |
| 11:01.57 | Patrigan | what timezon is the wiki situated? |
| 11:02.04 | foxlit | So, question. Is anyone attached to the centered logos on [[World_of_Warcraft]] and [[World_of_Warcraft:_The_Burning_Crusade]] |
| 11:02.06 | Patrigan | seen it |
| 11:02.40 | Patrigan | not me foxlit |
| 11:02.43 | Patrigan | but it does show nice |
| 11:02.47 | foxlit | Seems like a horrible waste of space, should be aligned right. |
| 11:03.26 | Patrigan | why? |
| 11:03.34 | foxlit | Well, not horrible, but redundant anyway |
| 11:03.39 | Kirkburn|afk | "Durability can wane, but sockets are forever" |
| 11:03.57 | Patrigan | foxlit tbh, I think it will look like crap if you put text beside the logo |
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| 11:05.03 | Patrigan | just my PoV but I'd say test it out and see for yourslef |
| 11:05.08 | Patrigan | I think you'll feel the same |
| 11:05.59 | foxlit | Like the way http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft:_The_Burning_Crusade looks, but we don't really have an infobox to go with things |
| 11:06.40 | Patrigan | small advice |
| 11:06.45 | Patrigan | never compare to wikipedia |
| 11:06.56 | Patrigan | those infoboxes are really nice |
| 11:07.08 | Patrigan | but you need many places to put it |
| 11:07.15 | Patrigan | like our quests and similar have an inobox |
| 11:07.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Whoever does the G-news deserves an award |
| 11:07.24 | foxlit | Most of the things they show aren't relevant to wowwiki |
| 11:07.27 | Patrigan | but we nactually only have 3 games |
| 11:09.46 | Patrigan | either way I would keep it as it is |
| 11:09.51 | Patrigan | they're the center of the wiki |
| 11:09.59 | Patrigan | those 2 logo's are what the wiki is all about |
| 11:10.08 | Patrigan | so they deserve some sight |
| 11:10.39 | foxlit | People actually read those pages? |
| 11:10.53 | Patrigan | I can't say |
| 11:10.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, what does the page view count say? |
| 11:11.10 | foxlit | I can't find it at the moment. |
| 11:11.52 | foxlit | 7th and 15th |
| 11:12.07 | foxlit | Though I suspect BC page was most popular before the expansion as a preview. |
| 11:14.37 | dotted | Kirkburn|afk i think its trisan pope from craftingworlds |
| 11:14.54 | dotted | or was it one of them who made Retuen |
| 11:14.57 | dotted | *Return |
| 11:15.30 | Patrigan | dotted I think it's Blizzard themselves that make it |
| 11:16.47 | dotted | Patrigan well they work for blizz |
| 11:17.50 | Patrigan | perhaps |
| 11:19.16 | dotted | tristan does |
| 11:19.30 | Patrigan | really? |
| 11:19.36 | dotted | yep |
| 11:19.52 | Patrigan | darn that's the first I hear about it :p |
| 11:20.52 | dotted | he was part of the team tht made the south part episode |
| 11:20.53 | dotted | http://www.craftingworlds.com/SouthPark/SOUTHPARK_WORK-060.jpg |
| 11:21.52 | dotted | http://www.craftingworlds.com/studio/?p=202 |
| 11:22.28 | Patrigan | :) |
| 11:22.30 | Patrigan | believe you :) |
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| 11:23.11 | dotted | seems blizz hired both of them |
| 11:24.45 | foxlit | Which date format are we using, generally? |
| 11:25.20 | foxlit | Editing the BC article at the moment, seems that it mixes "42nd of January" and "January 43rd" |
| 11:25.29 | Kirkburn|afk | 43rd ... |
| 11:25.50 | foxlit | It isn't the numbers I'm worried about :) |
| 11:25.59 | Kirkburn|afk | I say either January 24th, 2007 or 24th January, 2007 |
| 11:26.21 | foxlit | There should be an "of" in the second one. |
| 11:26.26 | dotted | no |
| 11:26.42 | foxlit | Otherwise you're suggesting that it's the 24th January-month of the year. |
| 11:26.43 | dotted | you say it, but dont write it ;) |
| 11:26.45 | Patrigan | writing an of there would up^set like the whole UK |
| 11:27.11 | Patrigan | like dotted said :) |
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| 11:27.21 | foxlit | evil! |
| 11:27.29 | Patrigan | yup! |
| 11:27.43 | dotted | not evil, just correct way of writing a date :p |
| 11:27.48 | Patrigan | also |
| 11:27.53 | ParaFish | can anyone tell me what server is popular for Japanese players? |
| 11:28.01 | Patrigan | the asian server |
| 11:28.12 | ParaFish | which is that? |
| 11:28.16 | Patrigan | I doubt that there are any on the Europe or American servers |
| 11:28.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't think the wiki has the wikipedia date function stuff (yet) |
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| 11:28.33 | Kirkburn|afk | ParaFish, haven't a clue |
| 11:28.37 | Kirkburn|afk | My god it's MIKK! |
| 11:29.09 | ParaFish | kay I'll look around kirk |
| 11:29.40 | ParaFish | so maybe the oceanic servers? |
| 11:30.05 | foxlit | I was under the impression those were for like Australia |
| 11:30.17 | foxlit | Fall under US if memory serves. |
| 11:30.59 | Kirkburn|afk | You can't play on NA servers if you're out of the areas that it services |
| 11:31.38 | foxlit | Are the boxes of wow sold in australia the same as those in US? |
| 11:31.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes |
| 11:31.59 | foxlit | So basically, for all purposes, australia is NA :) |
| 11:32.17 | foxlit | What do you call non-rated arena matches? |
| 11:32.20 | Mikk | Kirkburn|afk: I've turned mikkbot off |
| 11:32.28 | Kirkburn|afk | I think the same applies to EU servers, so I really don't what occurs for Japan |
| 11:33.02 | Mikk | fwiw, the 1h jobs start running at xx:05 every hour, and the 4h jobs run 00:25, 04:25, 08:25, etc, CET |
| 11:33.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Mikk, how long ago? |
| 11:33.07 | Mikk | just now |
| 11:33.50 | Mikk | and if mikkbot is taking down the wiki, even with the user blocked, something is seriously seriously broken somewhere |
| 11:33.50 | Kirkburn|afk | It seemed to be the only thing that could explain the slowdown, but let's see if it continues now :P |
| 11:33.55 | Mikk | cause it's not even visiting that many pages |
| 11:34.29 | foxlit | Burning Crusade Q & A still relevant? |
| 11:34.49 | Kirkburn|afk | It just seems from the RC that no edits normally occur at the turn of an hour. |
| 11:35.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Mikk, noticed any of the funky interface changes recently? :P |
| 11:35.50 | Mikk | It doesn't do it at the turn of the hour |
| 11:35.53 | Mikk | it does it at xx:05 |
| 11:36.19 | Mikk | And my clock is never off by more than 1 second =P |
| 11:37.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Mikk, I know, but nothing else seems to occur around that time |
| 11:37.45 | Kirkburn|afk | vlad buggered off to Hawaii yesterday |
| 11:37.47 | Mikk | Weird shit |
| 11:37.57 | Mikk | WTB root access >.< |
| 11:38.16 | Kirkburn|afk | He's been really busy with the wiki the past few days :) |
| 11:38.17 | Mikk | Then again I think mediawiki is busted from the bottom up |
| 11:38.41 | Mikk | You shouldnt use bloody SQL for wiki storage, period. |
| 11:38.48 | Mikk | But everyone wants to use SQL cos "that's how it's done" |
| 11:39.47 | Mikk | I'll rephrase that. You can have something with an SQL interface if you like. But you shouldn't be using a relational indexed database. |
| 11:39.58 | Mikk | And for all practical purposes, SQL == RDB =) |
| 11:40.10 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll take your word for it |
| 11:41.20 | Kirkburn|afk | He's back on thursday if you want to tell him then :P |
| 11:43.50 | Kirkburn|afk | So how far in BC are you now? |
| 11:45.59 | Mikk | Same tbh |
| 11:46.19 | Mikk | Half the guild farming kara, other half almost farming it |
| 11:46.26 | Mikk | Got gruul down a few times |
| 11:46.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Grats |
| 11:46.50 | Mikk | Biggest guild problem is that there's a huge spread of quality of specs/gear now |
| 11:46.55 | Kirkburn|afk | How about SSC and TK? |
| 11:46.58 | Mikk | Nowai |
| 11:47.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Mag? |
| 11:47.11 | Mikk | Nope |
| 11:47.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Basically need everyone to get Kara stuff first? |
| 11:47.43 | Mikk | Not really. Need people to get their bloody act together. |
| 11:48.31 | Mikk | Like.. time after time g2 (which has problems with Aran) get told "get to 8-9k buffed health please and this will be a lot easier" |
| 11:48.39 | Mikk | And still people keep turning up with 6-7 |
| 11:49.03 | Mikk | Can't do bosses with shitloads of nasty AoE like that |
| 11:49.30 | foxlit | You don't actually need that much health for aran. |
| 11:49.39 | Mikk | Also people have gotten out of the raiding frame of mind and keep turning up with wonky PvP builds |
| 11:49.45 | Mikk | Including dpsers and healers |
| 11:49.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Woah, WoW CN hasn't had an update in SIX months?! |
| 11:50.05 | Mikk | Which worsens the problems since aran stays alive for that much longer, and healers heal that much worse |
| 11:50.20 | foxlit | Kick: I don't think so, what are you reading? |
| 11:50.23 | Kirkburn|afk | yeech |
| 11:50.25 | foxlit | You can heal through things, but I suppose it just shifts the stress from the raid's gear to the healer's gear |
| 11:50.29 | Kirkburn|afk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft |
| 11:50.34 | foxlit | Outdated. |
| 11:50.46 | Mikk | foxlit: can't heal through a pyro if you don't have the health to survive the pyro |
| 11:50.48 | foxlit | Their BC article has the right date, btw, and so does our BC article :P |
| 11:50.55 | Mikk | and yeah, ideally, he doesn't pyro |
| 11:50.59 | Mikk | which is where crappy dps comes in |
| 11:51.03 | Mikk | sigh |
| 11:51.19 | Mikk | One group just walks in and omfgpwns him, no pyro, no deaths. |
| 11:51.24 | Mikk | 2nd group .... bleh. |
| 11:52.05 | foxlit | If you keep elementals alive long enough, they'll be happy to unsheep you :) |
| 11:52.13 | Mikk | Hahaha |
| 11:52.16 | foxlit | But that doesn't help. |
| 11:52.23 | Mikk | Nah, mostly a recipe for disaster tbh |
| 11:52.32 | foxlit | Bleh, I haven't had him pyro us for a while :/ |
| 11:52.34 | Mikk | Since they knock you down to <7.5k health and then the pyro owns you |
| 11:52.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol - Carl Sagan's Cosmos ... edited for Rednecks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOYfG0QGG0 |
| 11:53.07 | foxlit | What is our quote needed template? |
| 11:53.37 | Kirkburn|afk | {{fact}} |
| 11:53.46 | Kirkburn|afk | (I think) |
| 11:53.51 | foxlit | Yeah, works |
| 11:54.37 | Kirkburn|afk | "If you look at the bones of Jesus-anasaurus Rex..." |
| 11:54.56 | Mikk | Kirkburn|afk: anyway, it's not like vlad can do anything about crappy underlying storage in mediawiki. It's kinda an assumption in the wiki software. |
| 11:55.11 | Mikk | Unless he wants to move mysql off to another box. |
| 11:55.16 | Mikk | But now we're talking cash. |
| 11:55.56 | Mikk | It's just an observation i've made through the years... boot out the sql shit and replace it with custom files and you boost performance by a factor of 5-10. |
| 11:56.36 | Mikk | In some systems it's easily doable, because they're not really using the relational structure of the database at all |
| 11:56.44 | Mikk | Basically just a flat file system implemented on top of SQL |
| 11:56.54 | Mikk | Wikis would be one such example =P |
| 11:57.56 | foxlit | "What links here"? |
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| 11:58.27 | foxlit | I suppose you can implement that using files, but it's a headache. |
| 11:59.01 | foxlit | "See Also: definition of the word Crusade" |
| 12:02.07 | Mikk | foxlit: Bneh, you just have to have edits to page A where you link to file B modify a the file B.whatlinkshere |
| 12:02.22 | Mikk | Hardly a headache =P |
| 12:02.32 | foxlit | You didn't get everything there, though |
| 12:02.46 | Mikk | O? |
| 12:02.47 | foxlit | You also need A.whatilinkedtobeforetheedit |
| 12:02.58 | Mikk | Well yeah |
| 12:03.08 | foxlit | To check if you've removed any links, and yank those from distributed files across the file system. |
| 12:03.12 | Mikk | Yeah |
| 12:03.37 | Mikk | And, yeah, I know it's somewhat of a crusade =P |
| 12:03.48 | Mikk | But, see, thing is, what we're seeing now on wowwiki is breakdown of the system |
| 12:04.01 | Mikk | The backend it's using is so damn expensive it doesn't work with the number of visitors we're getting |
| 12:04.02 | foxlit | That wasn't actually referring to you and SQL. I was quoting the BC page :P |
| 12:04.10 | Mikk | Applies equally ;) |
| 12:04.25 | foxlit | I do agree with you that flatfile wiki would be better for most things |
| 12:04.40 | Mikk | With an SQL system, we're getting lots of load per page view |
| 12:04.53 | Mikk | With a flatfile system, we get roughly the same work per page edit. And no work per page view. |
| 12:04.54 | foxlit | You sure the sql output isn't cached? |
| 12:05.02 | Mikk | It is to an extent |
| 12:05.13 | foxlit | I'd make sense to generate a copy of the page to send to people until the page changes. |
| 12:05.15 | Mikk | There's a squid cache in front of the wiki |
| 12:05.26 | foxlit | I = It |
| 12:05.31 | Mikk | Unauthenticated visitors use the squid cache |
| 12:05.36 | Mikk | Authenticated users just bypass it |
| 12:05.45 | Mikk | Or passthrough rather |
| 12:06.14 | foxlit | For most pages, you don't actually need a SQL connection. |
| 12:06.35 | Mikk | Absolutely true |
| 12:06.47 | foxlit | You can assume good-faith on cookies unless you're actually comitting edits |
| 12:07.03 | Mikk | Cookies? |
| 12:07.22 | foxlit | Login information displayed at the top of the page |
| 12:07.29 | Mikk | Ahh yeah |
| 12:07.32 | foxlit | You don't really need to check if your session is valid. |
| 12:07.49 | Mikk | Absolutely true, yeah |
| 12:08.18 | Mikk | Of course, the amount of ridiculously complex templates we're suddenly using doesn't help at all anywhere |
| 12:09.04 | foxlit | Generate a whole page for each template with a blank for username, save to disk. If cache-page exists on view, read from disk, plug the username, and send it back for almost no load. |
| 12:09.21 | foxlit | On edits, wipe the cache, or simply write a new version directly. |
| 12:09.39 | Mikk | I assume s/template/page/ |
| 12:09.49 | Mikk | err |
| 12:09.50 | Mikk | or |
| 12:09.53 | Mikk | well something |
| 12:09.54 | foxlit | skin |
| 12:09.59 | Mikk | ah ok |
| 12:10.07 | foxlit | Since the diffirences between those layouts are not purely CSS |
| 12:10.20 | Mikk | They aren't? |
| 12:10.27 | Mikk | I thought they were |
| 12:10.41 | Mikk | There's some very sneaky shit going with how the pages are created :> |
| 12:10.42 | foxlit | I assumed they aren't :) |
| 12:11.04 | Mikk | Ah nvm |
| 12:11.07 | Mikk | Whichever works |
| 12:11.25 | Mikk | Anyway, what we're seeing now is that edits of pages just sink the wiki utterly |
| 12:11.44 | Mikk | Edit community portal -> the whole wiki becomes unresponsive for 15+ secs |
| 12:11.48 | Mikk | err |
| 12:11.53 | Mikk | village pump even |
| 12:12.13 | Mikk | And there's only one possible reason for that: People's transcluded sig templates |
| 12:12.44 | foxlit | And thing is, they aren't even needed. |
| 12:12.53 | Mikk | I know |
| 12:12.58 | foxlit | Could care less if people's name glows bright neon green, ~~~~ does just fine. |
| 12:13.08 | Mikk | Well, I blame myself here |
| 12:13.23 | Mikk | I started out by adding a mouseover for my name to tell newcomers that I'm an admin |
| 12:13.32 | Mikk | It kinda exploded from there >.< |
| 12:13.54 | foxlit | Vote to change WW:SIG to forced subst:/ ? |
| 12:14.08 | foxlit | Or however you write that :) |
| 12:14.24 | Mikk | Hardcode the shit into the box in your prefs |
| 12:14.26 | Mikk | Problem solved |
| 12:14.40 | Mikk | If there's so much shit it becomes a pain to do it, there's too much shit. Make it simpler. |
| 12:15.24 | Mikk | And yeah I'm perfectly aware that the pages become more cluttery with lots of CSS in them. If that's a problem, use less CSS. |
| 12:15.49 | Mikk | You're perfectly right that standard sigs are all we need |
| 12:16.34 | Mikk | We also need less {{if {{then {{ else {{ if {{ then shit in templates all over >.< |
| 12:17.25 | Mikk | Anyway, since this is just aggravating me I'll just drop it and go finish that addon i promised a guildie :-P |
| 12:18.15 | foxlit | Whad oes the addon do? :) |
| 12:18.44 | Mikk | I'm just modifying CraftList |
| 12:18.50 | Mikk | to include cooldown numbers |
| 12:23.07 | foxlit | Um, so, [[Diablo]] |
| 12:24.13 | foxlit | It's not actually warcraft, so we should probably just link to wikipedia? |
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| 12:31.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Mikk, how could the sigs possibly affect the Community portal? |
| 12:31.55 | foxlit | Every time someone edits, wiki has to pull all of the templates to regenerate the page? |
| 12:32.16 | Kirkburn|afk | The /community portal/ |
| 12:32.45 | foxlit | <Mikk> err |
| 12:32.45 | foxlit | [14:11] <Mikk> village pump even |
| 12:33.25 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 12:33.38 | Kirkburn|afk | That doesn't always occur |
| 12:34.02 | Kirkburn|afk | It was fine a few days ago, and certainly didn't take down the wiki like that |
| 12:39.11 | Mikk | Well, transcluding a couple of hundred templates every time certainly affects performance |
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| 12:39.55 | Mikk | And tbfh the advent of OMFGTEMPLATES and the worsening of the wiki's performance are a little bit too close in time to ignore the possibilty |
| 12:39.57 | hamid | hi ined link for downoad burning crusade expansion |
| 12:40.14 | Mikk | which language? |
| 12:40.35 | hamid | us |
| 12:41.05 | Kirkburn|afk | The wiki's performance has always never been amazing, and the sig stuff started weeks ago |
| 12:41.44 | Mikk | http://www.worldofwarcaft.com/ <- click "The Burning Crusade Digital Upgrade [DOWNLOAD NOW"] on the right hand side |
| 12:42.14 | hamid | tnx |
| 12:42.45 | Mikk | Kirkburn|afk: I'm not talking about today or yesterday |
| 12:42.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Perhaps substing them would be a good idea, but the slowdown isn't occuring when sig pages are being edited atm :/ |
| 12:42.57 | Mikk | After the last upgrade, the wiki was mostly fine tbh |
| 12:43.12 | Mikk | Then people started playing with advanced templates that recursively included themselves N times |
| 12:43.17 | Mikk | And sigs galore |
| 12:43.26 | Kirkburn|afk | And we fixed the templates |
| 12:43.26 | Mikk | And it's been getting progressively worse |
| 12:44.25 | Mikk | You also need to realize that stuff isn't instantaneous when templates etc are edited |
| 12:44.33 | Mikk | The work is portioned out via a work table |
| 12:45.08 | Mikk | There seems to be a point of contention when the SQL engine just gets overloaded and refuses to do work for long bursts of time |
| 12:45.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Every time a big template was edited previously, the wiki was taken down, because the job queue stuff wasn't working |
| 12:45.26 | Kirkburn|afk | vlad fixed that a few days ago |
| 12:46.28 | Mikk | I'm glad to hear we don't have a problem then and everything's working A OK =P |
| 12:46.31 | Kirkburn|afk | At least it worked for a few days :P The queue leapt to 10,000 almost immediately :) |
| 12:46.34 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 12:46.42 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm just bringing you up to date |
| 12:47.08 | Mikk | Anyway, that's the queue i'm talking about |
| 12:47.19 | Mikk | The pain of a template edit gets distributed ahead in time |
| 12:50.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, I noticed Schmidt is still around |
| 12:50.23 | Mikk | o.O |
| 12:50.24 | Mikk | zomg |
| 12:50.43 | Kirkburn|afk | He's made a few edits recently, on the quiet, like :) |
| 12:51.07 | Kirkburn|afk | People can /never/ stay away =) |
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| 12:52.04 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm afk properly now |
| 12:52.05 | Kirkburn|afk | bbl |
| 13:14.05 | Hobinheim | mikk, what alternatives to relational DB are there? |
| 13:17.38 | Mikk | nice, flat, rapidly parsed text files |
| 13:17.58 | Hobinheim | i guess you mentioned this before but some of the stuff is relationshal |
| 13:18.01 | Hobinheim | *relational |
| 13:18.20 | Mikk | aye, "what links here", basically |
| 13:18.23 | Hobinheim | umm anyway the only template that i really had beef with was exists |
| 13:18.41 | Hobinheim | and i think besides that, each template result is cached |
| 13:18.46 | Hobinheim | so there's no real... dynamicness going on |
| 13:18.52 | Hobinheim | until the page is re-edited |
| 13:18.55 | Hobinheim | no harm no foul |
| 13:19.04 | Hobinheim | and squid cache in front of the wiki, how do you know that? |
| 13:19.17 | Hobinheim | that would be in line with my conspiracy theory i was trying to get across, but no one believed me!!!! |
| 13:19.59 | Mikk | Because it says squid in the headers? =P |
| 13:20.56 | Mikk | Well, my point is this: The wiki goes bloody bonkers when stuff is edited |
| 13:21.16 | Mikk | Where "stuff" is basically anything |
| 13:21.34 | Mikk | It obviously dislikes templates even more |
| 13:21.44 | Hobinheim | it hasn't been going bonkers lately |
| 13:21.49 | Hobinheim | except when the DB locks up, which i can't explain |
| 13:22.01 | Mikk | And the DB locks up a lot |
| 13:22.05 | Hobinheim | because theoretically, even a massive template edit should have an edit strength of 1, and then queue everything else |
| 13:22.06 | Mikk | So why have it >.< |
| 13:22.16 | Mikk | Anyway |
| 13:22.30 | Mikk | I dunno if you've been doing comparisons of apps running SQL versus specialised files |
| 13:22.32 | Mikk | I have |
| 13:22.49 | Hobinheim | lol no |
| 13:22.52 | Hobinheim | i've heard talk about it |
| 13:22.57 | Hobinheim | and my previous manager mentioned it |
| 13:22.57 | Mikk | I re-implemented a bugzilla clone, except with even more features, on top of of a flat file system |
| 13:23.13 | Hobinheim | the weakness of relational databases using self joins as a means to represent tree structures |
| 13:23.13 | Mikk | It was roughly 10 times faster doing searches |
| 13:23.16 | Mikk | More than that doing edits |
| 13:23.22 | Hobinheim | but i'm sure flat files has its weaknesses |
| 13:23.25 | Hobinheim | or you could always do "both" |
| 13:23.35 | Hobinheim | but that would require tailoring the hybrid system properly |
| 13:23.41 | Hobinheim | i dunno how you would write an interface to that |
| 13:23.48 | Mikk | Aye, flat files aren't that woohoo for doing very flexible queries etc |
| 13:23.57 | Mikk | But it comes down to specialization |
| 13:24.04 | Hobinheim | ok well what's one example where you like flat files for relation queries |
| 13:24.10 | Hobinheim | select * where title = pagename? |
| 13:24.21 | Mikk | SQL and databases were originally written to be central repositories where gobs of apps would work against one mondo database containing "everything" |
| 13:24.39 | Mikk | Or where "users" would type in their own queries even |
| 13:24.52 | Mikk | ("users" were assumed to be a lot smarter and savvy back then) |
| 13:25.12 | Mikk | The whole concept kinda falls apart where the only "user" is a single application accessing a single well-defined database |
| 13:25.23 | Mikk | Specialized storage will always outperform general-purpose storage |
| 13:25.30 | Hobinheim | well. yeah. |
| 13:26.00 | Hobinheim | you know, in my pre-admin days, i've always liked your user page |
| 13:26.01 | Hobinheim | strong, simple |
| 13:26.05 | Teomyr | speaking of database vs flatfiles... what do you think should I use for the wowhead extension? |
| 13:26.12 | Hobinheim | (now i know it's not so special, hurr) |
| 13:26.17 | Teomyr | I'm currently using xml-files |
| 13:26.20 | Hobinheim | uhh |
| 13:26.30 | Hobinheim | if the xml files are already live, isn't that a moot point? |
| 13:26.44 | Hobinheim | you're doing single point look-up anyway so some sort of hash based thing would be best |
| 13:26.49 | Hobinheim | i.e. files |
| 13:26.53 | Teomyr | i'm not doing complex queries, only retrieve them by ID |
| 13:26.53 | Hobinheim | err files by title |
| 13:27.06 | Mikk | files by title yes |
| 13:27.07 | Teomyr | as in item-1.xml, item-2.xml etc. |
| 13:27.15 | Mikk | if you put them in an SQL DB i will personally shoot you =P |
| 13:27.38 | Teomyr | :P |
| 13:27.59 | Mikk | (which isn't so special btw?) |
| 13:28.05 | Teomyr | okay, then i'll stay with the 20,000 xml files in the cache directory |
| 13:28.25 | Mikk | you could possible speed it up by creating subdirectories hashes on the first letter or something |
| 13:28.29 | Mikk | possibly* |
| 13:28.35 | Hobinheim | sometimes i wonder if i should stop using my user page as a todo list cuz it looks fugly |
| 13:28.36 | Mikk | hashed* |
| 13:28.58 | Hobinheim | uhh that's really going micro |
| 13:29.14 | Hobinheim | i think the fact that you're using files is already like one good enough level/generation of concern |
| 13:29.27 | Hobinheim | the rest you should just leave to the webserver and the native lookup speed of files |
| 13:29.29 | Mikk | Aye most likely |
| 13:29.29 | Hobinheim | the webserver really |
| 13:29.59 | Teomyr | :D |
| 13:30.02 | Mikk | Did I mention that I design blitzingly fast networking algorithms for a living? =P |
| 13:30.30 | Mikk | Liek... state tracking a couple of million connections with a bunch of gigabits of throughput? =P |
| 13:30.32 | Hobinheim | no mikk you did not |
| 13:30.33 | Hobinheim | what do you |
| 13:30.56 | Mikk | <- bit anal when it comes to performance |
| 13:31.16 | Hobinheim | i think people are getting very lazy nowadays |
| 13:31.23 | Hobinheim | better hardware is not an excuse to have poor performance |
| 13:31.32 | Mikk | couldn't agree more =P |
| 13:31.44 | Mikk | better hardware is for countering increases in load (more users etc) |
| 13:32.05 | Mikk | if you use better hardware as an excuse for sucky coding, you're screwed when load increases |
| 13:32.11 | Hobinheim | i'm a fan of scripting languages and rapid development, so obviously performance isn't one of my fortes |
| 13:32.22 | Mikk | well, right tool for the right job |
| 13:32.29 | Hobinheim | but, as soon as the application approaches "done" for any given component, i say optimization is where its at |
| 13:32.40 | Teomyr | speaking of scripting languages |
| 13:32.40 | Hobinheim | a lot of user interface problems can be solved with speed |
| 13:32.47 | Hobinheim | but not a lot of people seem to understand that |
| 13:32.50 | Teomyr | are we using a compiling php optimizer on the wiki? |
| 13:32.58 | Hobinheim | a what? |
| 13:33.00 | Mikk | isn't that liek expensive? |
| 13:33.07 | Teomyr | aren't there free ones? |
| 13:33.14 | Mikk | dunno |
| 13:33.27 | Mikk | php uses the zend scripting engine |
| 13:33.32 | Mikk | a free version of it |
| 13:33.41 | Mikk | the "real" version has compiled support |
| 13:33.45 | Mikk | and it costs $$$$$ |
| 13:33.57 | Mikk | whether or not free clones have popped up i do not know |
| 13:34.06 | Mikk | anyway, it's not php execution that's killing us now |
| 13:34.12 | Teomyr | right |
| 13:34.14 | Mikk | it's the bloody SQL DB |
| 13:34.33 | Mikk | unless slow php execution keeps locking up the DB somewhere |
| 13:34.47 | Mikk | by having too many consequent threads or something |
| 13:34.53 | Mikk | not consequent |
| 13:35.33 | Mikk | at-the-same-timey |
| 13:35.33 | Mikk | consoemthing >.< |
| 13:35.33 | Mikk | concurrent! |
| 13:36.00 | Mikk | or too few |
| 13:36.14 | Mikk | guessing at the root cause of perf problems in the dark sucks =P |
| 13:36.26 | Teomyr | hehe |
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| 14:09.49 | Hobinheim | :argh: |
| 14:10.23 | the_squid | lol |
| 14:10.50 | Hobinheim | i'm having a hard time connecting to pages |
| 14:10.54 | Hobinheim | specifically village pump |
| 14:11.24 | Hobinheim | oh wowwiki, you fickle temptress |
| 14:11.38 | Mikk | Shush, everything works just fine |
| 14:11.42 | Mikk | Kirkbum said so |
| 14:12.17 | Mikk | And transclusion of a few hundred templates on one page is fine |
| 14:12.24 | Hobinheim | which page? |
| 14:12.32 | Mikk | The pump? =P |
| 14:12.35 | Mikk | All dem sigs |
| 14:12.37 | Hobinheim | which templates |
| 14:12.38 | Hobinheim | oh |
| 14:12.46 | Hobinheim | well. we could always do a test and start substing them |
| 14:12.58 | Mikk | I can subst the whole pump easily enough |
| 14:13.02 | Mikk | Gimme a sec |
| 14:13.04 | Hobinheim | theoretically, they both should be equivalent until people edit their sigs |
| 14:13.11 | Mikk | Aye |
| 14:13.18 | Hobinheim | wait what algorithm do you have to test which ones are sigs |
| 14:13.30 | Mikk | eyeball (tm) |
| 14:13.57 | Hobinheim | booo montag is off duty..... |
| 14:13.58 | Mikk | sigh the wiki won't even log me on |
| 14:14.19 | Mikk | so much for the theory that it's mikkbot's fault that the wiki goes wonky at the start of the hour |
| 14:14.31 | Mikk | (it's disabled now) |
| 14:14.36 | Teomyr | sigfault |
| 14:14.41 | Mikk | hah hah hah |
| 14:14.43 | Hobinheim | for some reason flight path doesn't load very well either |
| 14:14.54 | Hobinheim | i can't tell if its template heavy because, harrrrr, it won't load |
| 14:15.01 | Hobinheim | actually i have to go get ready for real life |
| 14:15.05 | Hobinheim | so... adios muchachos |
| 14:15.20 | Hobinheim | may all your subst'ing be merry |
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| 14:16.35 | Mikk | SIGH |
| 14:16.41 | Mikk | I'M BLOCKED FROM USING THE DAMN WIKI |
| 14:16.50 | Mikk | Because mikkbot and my IP is the same >.< |
| 14:17.11 | Teomyr | lol |
| 14:17.35 | Teomyr | isn't it on a per-user base? |
| 14:17.44 | Teomyr | instead of IPs |
| 14:23.55 | Mikk | The wiki software tracks which IPs blocked people have recently used |
| 14:24.06 | Mikk | Which makes sense, otherwise vandals could just create new accounts nonstop |
| 14:28.45 | Mikk | Zomg |
| 14:28.56 | Mikk | The village pump is like ten times faster to edit |
| 14:28.57 | Mikk | HOW COULD THAT BE |
| 14:29.05 | Mikk | THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH TRANSCLUDING HUNDREDS OF TEMPLATES |
| 14:29.16 | Mikk | THE WORLD! IT'S COMING TO AN END! IM MELTING! IM MELTING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! |
| 14:29.49 | nemppu | very well sir |
| 14:31.56 | Mikk | pardon. i get aggravated when i know i'm right and people tell me i'm wrong. |
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| 16:21.55 | Adys | Mikk: the job queue works now |
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| 16:47.43 | dotted | [+Illyrian|IRCRep]: Jack Thompson on WoWWiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney) |
| 16:47.45 | dotted | ROFL |
| 17:07.57 | Bagginsww | anycase did some research, "holy light" does not show up until warcraft II |
| 17:08.16 | Bagginsww | *III |
| 17:08.37 | Bagginsww | II does not mention "holy light" and there are still refrences to god and heaven. |
| 17:17.54 | Bagginsww | interesting Azeroth was called 'earth" in warcraft II |
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| 17:36.42 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Angel |
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| 17:52.50 | Bagginsww | uh where is that picture of roof of opera house? |
| 17:57.19 | Teomyr | no idea |
| 17:57.24 | Teomyr | Adys: ping |
| 17:57.29 | Adys | pong |
| 17:57.41 | Teomyr | http://vs157092.vserver.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Special:Wowhead |
| 17:57.53 | Adys | ty |
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| 17:58.48 | Teomyr | that will become a page for doing stuff like clearing/updating the cache and changing settings |
| 17:58.57 | Adys | nice |
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| 18:02.23 | Bagginsww | didn't we have an article on cherubs? |
| 18:02.25 | Adys | hey skosiris |
| 18:02.32 | Skosiris | heya |
| 18:02.45 | Teomyr | hey sko |
| 18:03.41 | Skosiris | 'morning Teo |
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| 18:04.51 | Bagginsww | ok so anyone going to karazh tonight? |
| 18:05.02 | Bagginsww | that you might get a screenshot of the cherubs? |
| 18:05.59 | Bagginsww | or datamine it :p |
| 18:07.25 | Bagginsww | You know blizzard might as well remove syndicate faction... I doubt they will ever do anything with it |
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| 18:19.28 | Adys | i might be back later, nn |
| 18:22.34 | Bagginsww | bah, this fat ass medusa just killed me :p |
| 18:23.12 | Bagginsww | hard boss :p |
| 18:24.45 | Skyfire | vashj? |
| 18:24.58 | Skyfire | only medusa i can think of... |
| 18:25.05 | Bagginsww | in god of war II |
| 18:25.08 | Skyfire | ah |
| 18:25.21 | Bagginsww | the game is awesome |
| 18:25.27 | TecnoBrat | what is cherubs? |
| 18:27.18 | Bagginsww | uh the winged babies on the roof of karazhan |
| 18:44.41 | Archimedes | we need to get some screenshots of Kul Tiras! |
| 18:47.02 | Skosiris | just leech the ones off Wowhead.com |
| 18:47.10 | Skosiris | -> http://www.wowhead.com/?search=Kul+Tiras |
| 18:49.31 | Archimedes | well I'm more saying we need to make Blizzard put it in the game |
| 18:49.32 | Archimedes | haha |
| 18:50.04 | Skosiris | oh :P |
| 18:50.23 | Archimedes | :) |
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| 19:45.54 | Skyfire | lol |
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| 19:56.17 | Skosiris | what is it Sky? :) |
| 19:57.46 | Skyfire | "he has joined" "he has left", etc |
| 19:57.50 | Skyfire | all in a row |
| 20:14.00 | Skosiris | sorry, I'm trying some new custom chat commands I created |
| 20:16.34 | Skyfire | oki |
| 20:17.15 | Teomyr | you better hurry to pick a contest winner :P |
| 20:17.33 | Teomyr | it's getting late here and I wanna see it ;) |
| 20:20.19 | Skosiris | It's picked already, I'm finishing up the contest page :) |
| 20:20.25 | Skosiris | (runners-up / honorable mentions) |
| 20:20.30 | Skosiris | I have a |
| 20:20.38 | Skosiris | kind of problem though |
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| 20:20.57 | Skosiris | a new "favicon" is needed |
| 20:24.20 | Skyfire | lol |
| 20:24.21 | Skyfire | owned! |
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| 20:42.02 | Skyfire | lol |
| 20:42.11 | Skyfire | walls don't defend people. people defend people |
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| 20:49.59 | Dejavuxi | holla |
| 20:51.48 | Skyfire | hello? |
| 20:52.37 | Dejavuxi | hi |
| 20:52.48 | Dejavuxi | why is it so quite in here |
| 20:59.46 | Skyfire | depends on the time of day |
| 20:59.47 | Dejavuxi | its night noow |
| 20:59.47 | Skyfire | depends on where you live |
| 20:59.47 | Skyfire | :] |
| 20:59.47 | Dejavuxi | finland lol |
| 20:59.47 | Dejavuxi | in santa land |
| 20:59.47 | Skyfire | most of us live in england or on the east coast, so you're 2 or 3 hours ahead of the british/french guys |
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| 20:59.47 | Dejavuxi | west coasttt nicee :D have u seen xzibit arround? pimp my ride :P |
| 21:01.39 | Dejavuxi | anyways gnite |
| 21:17.34 | Skosiris | Sky |
| 21:17.59 | Skosiris | did you finally reveal what "2042" means/refers to? |
| 21:19.20 | Mikk | Montreal, Quebec will celebrate the 400th anniversary of her founding in 1642. |
| 21:19.34 | Mikk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2042 ;) |
| 21:21.15 | Skosiris | hmm, is Sky from Quebec ? |
| 21:22.55 | Mikk | who knows =P |
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| 21:24.54 | Skosiris | so, what do you guys think of the new logo? |
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| 21:25.34 | Mike9999 | hi there |
| 21:25.54 | Gryphen | the previous logo wasnt great, but still better imho |
| 21:26.46 | Gryphen | new one isn't very wowish |
| 21:30.14 | Skosiris | well, I guess you can't please everyone :P |
| 21:30.26 | Gryphen | you asked lol |
| 21:30.35 | Skosiris | WoWWiki's logo isn't too wowish either, is it? ;) |
| 21:30.47 | Gryphen | i didnt vote for it |
| 21:31.05 | Gryphen | i voted for my own submission :D |
| 21:31.16 | Skosiris | what one was it? |
| 21:31.42 | Gryphen | trying to load it...slowwiki -.- |
| 21:31.57 | Gryphen | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:WoWWiki_Icon_Folkard.png |
| 21:32.32 | Adys | whats the background btw? |
| 21:32.33 | Skosiris | not too shabby! |
| 21:32.39 | Skosiris | is that Deadmines in teh background? |
| 21:32.40 | Adys | it reminded me of the deadmines |
| 21:32.49 | Gryphen | think its deadmines |
| 21:33.12 | Gryphen | i would have cleaned it up if accepted, i just threw it together from fansite files |
| 21:46.14 | Skyfire | no, i'm not from quebec (I do have a small part of French-Canadian blood though) |
| 21:46.19 | Skyfire | pft |
| 21:46.31 | Skyfire | guess again! |
| 21:46.35 | Adys | Teomyr, is it possible to random out something with parse functions |
| 21:47.44 | Teomyr | don't think so |
| 21:48.25 | Adys | Such as If exists Page/{{random:1|50}} then Page/Result else {{random:1|50-1}} |
| 21:48.28 | Adys | something like that |
| 21:49.05 | Adys | I want to write something for my qotd system that allows more than just 31 quotes |
| 21:50.04 | Adys | Or actually, teomyr |
| 21:50.29 | Adys | I could do on [[User:Adys/Qotd/List]] a list of x numbers |
| 21:50.34 | Adys | with x being the total number of quotes |
| 21:51.10 | Adys | and on my userpage, Random 1-x with x being taken from the list |
| 21:52.38 | Adys | what are parse functions useful for if they cant parse shit? oO |
| 21:53.53 | Teomyr | hehe |
| 21:53.56 | Sky2042 | looool |
| 22:02.44 | Adys | ffs |
| 22:02.53 | Adys | trying to think of.. something to get that working |
| 22:04.28 | foxlit | Why bother? |
| 22:10.07 | Adys | I want it! |
| 22:10.21 | Sky2042 | lol |
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| 22:24.14 | foxlit | What you want is adding needless complexity to a parsing system intended to show static pages. |
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| 22:25.47 | Hobinheim | i still don't have furniture, but i didn't get kicked out of my guilds. and isn't that all that matters :) |
| 22:27.52 | Hobinheim | is there any way to send a delete keystroke through remote desktop on a mac laptop? |
| 22:28.44 | Hobinheim | :toot: |
| 22:32.27 | Adys | oO |
| 22:37.30 | smoothierev | hehe |
| 22:45.51 | Sky2042_ | sigh |
| 22:45.58 | Sky2042_ | oh well, off to swimming |
| 22:46.14 | Sky2042_ | coughlifeguardingcough |
| 23:02.31 | Hobinheim | ooo swimming |
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| 23:17.14 | Hobinheim | Tekkub, do you eat a lot of Chinese food?? |
| 23:17.32 | Tekkub | there's a nice chineese buffet near us |
| 23:17.33 | Tekkub | why? |
| 23:21.38 | Hobinheim | just wondering |
| 23:21.45 | Hobinheim | i find myself ordering the same things over and over again |
| 23:21.49 | Hobinheim | so i'm trying a new strategy |
| 23:21.55 | Hobinheim | i'm respeccing my chinese food build! |
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| 23:26.28 | Tekkub | I've been "Beef broccoli wonton soup" since I first started eating chineese |
| 23:26.47 | Tekkub | Fong never even took my order cause she know what I wanted |
| 23:27.05 | Hobinheim | you know a chinese woman named fong? 0.o |
| 23:27.34 | Tekkub | at the buffet I get crab cheese wontons, those teraki chicken skewers, and chicken broccoli if they have some out tho |
| 23:27.35 | Hobinheim | *sigh* the flight path article still isn't loading... |
| 23:27.50 | Hobinheim | i'll take you on the first two, but not chicken broccoli |
| 23:27.54 | Tekkub | uhm, I'm damn sure there are no chineese resturants run by chineese |
| 23:27.55 | Tekkub | :P |
| 23:28.08 | Hobinheim | who are they run by? white people? i think not... |
| 23:28.23 | Hobinheim | can you read flight path? |
| 23:28.24 | Tekkub | asian != chineese :P |
| 23:28.38 | Hobinheim | so you're saying korean and japanese people are hiring chinese to do the work? |
| 23:28.41 | Tekkub | like most are vietnamiese aren't they? |
| 23:28.50 | Tekkub | and koKRean |
| 23:28.53 | Tekkub | :) |
| 23:31.22 | Hobinheim | uh what |
| 23:31.25 | Hobinheim | tek can you right flight path |
| 23:31.42 | Tekkub | eh? |
| 23:31.47 | Hobinheim | the article, flight path |
| 23:32.59 | Tekkub | yea sure whatever |
| 23:33.17 | Hobinheim | it loads fine? |
| 23:33.29 | Tekkub | nothing's loading right now |
| 23:33.32 | Hobinheim | sorry can you read |
| 23:33.34 | Hobinheim | i'm sorry i can't type |
| 23:33.51 | Hobinheim | i meant "can you read the article "flight path" because i cannot" |
| 23:34.02 | Hobinheim | i feel like the wiki works as long as i don't look at that article |
| 23:34.14 | Hobinheim | maybe its overloaded with templates |
| 23:34.24 | Hobinheim | sort of chicken and egg. how can we diagnose it if it won't load |
| 23:34.33 | Tekkub | I get a totally blank page |
| 23:34.57 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Flight_path&action=history |
| 23:35.01 | Tekkub | that loaded tho |
| 23:35.33 | Hobinheim | ahh super |
| 23:35.34 | Hobinheim | thx |
| 23:39.49 | Hobinheim | i wonder if the cost template is a bad idea... |
| 23:40.19 | Hobinheim | hmm it just uses ifs... which are pretty much ok |
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| 23:51.11 | Adys | I killed out Flight path |
| 23:51.25 | Adys | kept only the minimal |
| 23:51.35 | Hobinheim | huh |
| 23:51.43 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Flight_path |
| 23:51.46 | Hobinheim | oo it loads now |
| 23:51.52 | Hobinheim | was it because of cost |
| 23:52.03 | Hobinheim | i'm surprised you even managed to look at it |
| 23:52.07 | Hobinheim | or did you do a blind edit? |
| 23:52.09 | Adys | i didnt |
| 23:52.13 | Adys | &action=edit |
| 23:52.21 | Adys | Im gonna delete the rotten edits, brb |
| 23:52.25 | Hobinheim | well now we know that there's something causing a performance hit |
| 23:52.52 | Hobinheim | are there items in the game that cost both money and honor tokens? |
| 23:52.58 | Skosiris | original logo back in place! -> http://www.wowhead.com |
| 23:53.19 | Hobinheim | did you get a negative response to the winner? |
| 23:53.26 | Adys | Why Skosiris ? oo |
| 23:54.36 | Hobinheim | i'm gonna try a stress test |
| 23:54.39 | Hobinheim | so bear with me a sec |
| 23:57.13 | Hobinheim | i have a suspicion that if a page has an abnormally high amount of cost templates, it slows down |
| 23:57.21 | Hobinheim | i'm currently editing a sandbox with lots of costs |
| 23:58.02 | Adys | its definetly the reason |
| 23:58.06 | Adys | no need to do a sandbox |
| 23:58.11 | Hobinheim | again are there items that cost both money and non money? |
| 23:58.19 | Hobinheim | the sandbox isn't crashing though |
| 23:59.18 | Hobinheim | boo combat potions |
