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00:15.31Bagginswso basically I've done away with [[Horde (pre-thrall)]] and replaced it with a complete history of the Horde.
00:23.49[NewsBot]World of Raids: New WotLK Screens, 2.3 Alterac Valley Changes, DK, 2.2.3 - http://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-7818-1.html
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00:45.58[NewsBot]WoW Insider: When did you first understand your role? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/04/when-did-you-first-understand-your-role/
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00:52.16[NewsBot]MMO Champion: WotLK Screenshots, AV Changes, Blue posts - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=1513.0
00:57.46[NewsBot]BlizzPlanet: Wow Gameplay Video Capture for PC - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1748
00:57.49[NewsBot]BlizzPlanet: StarCraft II Fansite Kit - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1747
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01:12.32pcjWhat is http://www.wowwiki.com/Raider_Man from
01:13.05piuprobably the wow R&D forum of general forum
01:13.12Taurmindoit kinda sucks to have the bark-quests broken and being limited to some 30ish tickets/day from the keg quest. yea, remove the ticket-harvest and replace it with more rewarded from the non-working quest..
01:13.25pcjbark quest is working for me now
01:15.04Taurmindostill not working on tvc eu at least.
01:15.47piuoh man, drysc posted the classic .999~ = 1 conundrum as a poll on the wow forums
01:16.05piuthe responses are classic
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01:59.18infobotlaurly <n=test@0x50a4082e.vgnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 15h 44m 46s ago, saying: 'themill what fun is there in that.'.
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05:16.14Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Tarren_Mill
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05:49.16VolusMorning!
05:52.29KeolahNeed advice. Where's a good place for a level 44 hunter and a level 45 rogue to level? (Horde btw)
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05:59.30KeolahOf course, considering how active the channel is at the moment, I"ll be level 45 before I get a response anyway ;)
06:00.41Sky2042lol
06:00.45Sky2042what's the issue?
06:00.53Keolah[22:52:34] <Keolah> Need advice. Where's a good place for a level 44 hunter and a level 45 rogue to level? (Horde btw)
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06:05.45Sky2042check desolace
06:05.52Sky2042um, where else...
06:06.24KeolahAlready did everything in Desolace long ago :p
06:06.44Sky2042burning steppes?
06:06.46Sky2042or not
06:06.48Sky2042uh
06:07.02Sky2042searing gorge?
06:07.09Fisker-tanaris duh
06:07.22Sky2042tanaris, aye
06:09.33Keolahdid everything in tanaris that isn't orange or red.
06:09.49Keolah(and some that was)
06:09.51KeolahLikewise Feralas too.
06:11.14Sky2042did searing?
06:12.12KeolahNope
06:13.15Sky2042looks like a few quests in arathi highlands at low 40s
06:13.42KeolahDid everything in Arathi except the annoying-ass summon-spamming princess ;p
06:13.44Sky2042couple in badlands
06:13.51Sky2042oh, you done hinterlands?
06:14.19Sky2042there's a questline in duskwood
06:14.27Sky2042i think
06:14.28KeolahDone the early stuff, the remainder is a bit much for us. Did the duskwood one too.
06:14.37Fisker-did you do the pirate ship ones?
06:14.39Sky2042dustallow?
06:14.43Sky2042dustwallow*
06:14.45Sky2042?
06:14.55KeolahDid most of those, yeah.
06:14.56Sky2042oh, duh
06:15.16Fisker-http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=663
06:15.17Fisker-that one
06:15.29KeolahCan't open firefox, it lags wow to the point where I die trying to get off a zep ;p
06:15.45Sky2042um... iit's looking like you're either doing zul'farrak, uldaman, or grinding. take your pick
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06:16.32Sky2042cause maraudon might be a bit high for you, but i don't remember the lvls for that
06:16.32KeolahRight now, we're doing a couple quests in Badlands and then SoS.
06:16.51Sky2042yeah... not maraudon
06:16.59Sky2042ZF, ulda, or grinding :P
06:17.48[NewsBot]BlizzPlanet: Wow Patch 2.2.3 on PTR - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1749
06:18.21KeolahMy friend has a phobia of instances. ;p
06:18.38Sky2042looks like you're grinding then ;(
06:19.15Sky2042for a level or 2
06:19.33KeolahBut we haven't done the murloc quests in SoS, so we're heading there next. Just finished killing the ogre boss in Badlands.
06:20.57KeolahBut on the upside, I'm close to exalted with org! Yay! I can get rid of this stupid peacock soon! :P
06:21.33Sky2042oh, swamp
06:21.41Keolahswamp of sorrows.
06:21.43Keolahyeah
06:21.46Fisker-i made you a cookie Sky2042
06:21.49Fisker-but i ated it :(
06:24.24Keolahhehe
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06:33.56KeolahAlso, searing gorge is a no-go for now too. Not only did I get killedjust trying to get the fp (primarily because my friend is a moron), but none of the quests are available until level 45 ;p
06:34.23Sky2042yeah... i know
06:34.49Sky2042essentially, you have ZF, Ulda, or grinding. Get cracking. :P
06:35.08KeolahWe're going to SoS to do the murloc quest we forgot about ;)
06:35.47Keolah(You should see some of the stupid things my friend does. He thinks having a mount means he can run right through everything regardless of its level and then wonders why he winds up getting dismounted then swarmed by 6 things :P)
06:37.50KeolahAt least he's not playing a mage at the moment... when he was, he kept doing things like... sheeping the guy I had almost dead and ignoring the mage killing me from 30 feet away ;p
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06:40.23Sky2042your friend isn't too smart, is he?
06:42.55KeolahSometimes not, no ;)
06:46.35KeolahAt least he's doing better tha nthat with the rogue.
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07:00.12KeolahHeh, neither of us has ever done an instance before, either :p
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07:22.04Sky2042!!!!!
07:22.19Sky2042you might want to think about doing it at some point in the future
07:25.09KeolahOkay, I don't really count going into Wailing caverns just to tame a pet as doing an instance, nor my enchanter going into Uldaman to train :P
07:25.15Keolah*snicker*
07:25.42KeolahBut is it really feasable to do an instance with only two players? :P
07:28.00Sky2042what's wrong with doing it with five?
07:28.15Sky2042you have 2 dpsers; get yourself a tank, a healer, and druid/pld
07:28.26KeolahFinding three other people that my friend would want to group with ;p
07:28.39Sky2042so tell your friend to suck it up!
07:28.41Sky2042xD
07:28.49KeolahHe has very broad definitions of what is evil.
07:29.08KeolahThis includes, but is not limited to: wikis, alliance players in general, night elves, everyone on the internet, and humanity in general.
07:30.10Sky2042he's not going to get very far in life with that... :|
07:30.17KeolahI don't think he's trying to.
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07:30.26KeolahI mean, he does pend all his free time playing WoW :P
07:30.40Sky2042how old are you two?
07:33.57[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Brewfest update: Barker quests fixed... mostly - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/brewfest-update-barker-quests-fixed-mostly/
07:36.51KeolahI'm 27, he's 30-something.
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07:56.10Sky2042i don't wanna' say it, but that makes it sound like he's a bum. :|
07:57.18Keolahlol
07:57.26KeolahSo am I :p
07:57.31KeolahI'm 27 and still living at home ;)
07:57.52Sky2042living at home is fine.
07:58.03Sky2042does he (you?) have a job?
07:58.25KeolahNope ;p
07:58.28Keolahlol
07:58.34KeolahAnd if I had a job, I'd not have time for WoW :p
07:59.00Sky2042bums. the both of ya. >_<
08:04.02Keolahhehe
08:06.01Auron`wow > rl
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08:33.07sag_ich_nichtWTB address to complain to about EU forum CMs/mods
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08:48.13Fisker-sag_ich_nicht
08:48.14Fisker-OH HI
08:48.42Fisker-WoWRepForumEN@blizzard.com
08:48.56Fisker-and i guess it might be WoWconcernsEU@blizzard.com for CM's
08:49.43sag_ich_nichtOH HI I ALREADY FOUND THE FORM:
08:49.43sag_ich_nichthttps://www.wow-europe.com/community/webform/index.html?locale=en_GB
08:49.44sag_ich_nicht:X
08:49.56Fisker-fuck the form
08:49.59Fisker-it's made of ass and fail
08:50.14Fisker-don't know if they fixed it yet
08:50.27Fisker-but they appended your regional settings to the form
08:50.43sag_ich_nichtlook at the URL.
08:50.54sag_ich_nichti forced it to english.
08:50.54Fisker-The purpose was that it would redirect to the proper email like WoWConcernsFR@Blizzard.com and so forth
08:50.55sag_ich_nicht:X
08:51.14Fisker-But they didn't figure that any other country had locales
08:51.29Fisker-so other got their stuff sent to WoWConcerns<locale>@Blizzard.com
08:51.33sag_ich_nichtlawl
08:51.34sag_ich_nichthttp://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1119052432&sid=1
08:51.37Fisker-usually a non-existing address
08:51.42sag_ich_nichtthat's what i was temp banned for
08:51.54Fisker-nice
08:52.24Fisker-probably would've gone better without the "screw" and without the gigantic spaces in the post :P
08:52.42sag_ich_nichtheh :X
08:52.53sag_ich_nichtit's a repost from the US forums
08:52.59sag_ich_nichtthe thread reached 7 pages there
08:52.59sag_ich_nicht:X
08:53.17sag_ich_nichtthe mod probably only read the first line
08:53.19sag_ich_nichtand was like BANHAMMER
08:53.22sag_ich_nichtidiots ><
08:55.22Fisker-yeah the EU mods are a LOT more strict than the US mods
08:55.24Fisker-i hate that too
08:55.43Fisker-I remember on the US forums where blue's would contribute to a ascii-spamfest
08:55.55Fisker-and as soon as you just post 5 lines of ascii on the EU forums you get permanently banned
08:57.41sag_ich_nichtheh
08:57.51sag_ich_nichti posted picard and headache man multiple times already
08:57.52sag_ich_nicht:X
08:58.48Fisker-I think i made 3 ascii's
08:58.57Fisker-one was 1 week, the other was 2 weeks, and the third was permanent
08:59.28sag_ich_nichtlawl
08:59.43Fisker-and i was so annoyed
08:59.46Fisker-because the CM said
08:59.52Fisker-"I can't wait until someone posts some ascii"
09:00.40Fisker-http://epicwowforummaneuver.ytmnd.com/
09:00.40Fisker-:I
09:01.08Fisker-the thread went to hell after that
09:01.19Fisker-there were several just spamming the thread with ascii
09:01.34Fisker-and they deleted pretty much everything in the thread
09:02.23Fisker-it is some kind of vista install tiem
09:02.25Fisker->O!
09:02.34Fisker-but oh noes
09:02.39Fisker-how can i listen to music while i install
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09:03.12sag_ich_nichtlol
09:03.18sag_ich_nichtdon't do it fisker
09:03.35Fisker-IM GOING TO DO IT
09:03.40Fisker-YOU CANT STOP ME
09:04.02Fisker-see you :(
09:04.08Fisker-*pulls the trigger*
09:09.57[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Major Alterac Valley changes coming to Patch 2.3 - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/major-alterac-valley-changes-coming-to-patch-2-3/
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10:04.35Fisker-so owned sag_ich_nicht
10:06.05sag_ich_nichtlol
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10:08.10Fisker-i am done
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10:50.52Fisker-btw Kirkburn|sleep
10:50.54Fisker-i spam you
11:01.02Kirkburn|sleepWell, thanks :P
11:01.52Auron`hai kirkburn
11:01.53KalrothKirkburn|sleep: Good night, honeybuns!
11:02.05Kirkburn>_<
11:02.08Kalrothoh
11:02.11KalrothGood morning then!
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11:07.36Kirkburn"oooh" at the Alterac Valley changes
11:07.51Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.0#Alterac_Valley
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11:09.19Kalrothyup Kirky
11:09.35KalrothLets see how the average ret paladin will like them!
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11:13.27KirkburnWe need stuff botted :/
11:13.33Kirkburn~seen Laurly
11:13.35infobotlaurly <n=test@0x50a4082e.vgnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 59m 3s ago, saying: 'themill what fun is there in that.'.
11:13.41Kirkburnach
11:15.52KirkburnOh, wow ... I didn't know running any games thru Steam added the community stuff to them! :D
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11:46.20[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Left Behind Games Gets Apocalyptic with Bloggers - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/10/05/left-behind-games-gets-apocalyptic-with-bloggers/
11:46.23[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Dark Horse Prez Candidate Dennis Kucinich Opens Second Life HQ - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/10/05/dark-horse-presidential-candidate-dennis-kucinich-opens-second-life-hq/
11:46.26[NewsBot]GamePolitics: TV News Coverage of Idaho A.G., ESRB Partnership - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/10/05/tv-news-coverage-of-idaho-ag-esrb-partnership/
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12:06.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Breakfast Topic: Your favorite city - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/breakfast-topic-your-favorite-city/
12:23.06Dotted[@Kirkburn]: We need stuff botted :/ <- i need it more
12:28.57VolusYou need what?
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12:36.51`-FISKER_Q\Kirkburn :)
12:36.53`-FISKER_Q\oh hi
12:37.00`-FISKER_Q\you using vista btw?
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13:33.59Fisker-btw Kirkburn
13:34.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Blizzard's 4th annual Pumpkin Carving Contest has begun - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/blizzards-4th-annual-pumpkin-carving-contest-has-begun/
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13:39.04KazieAnyone who might lead me to an addon that works like KillingSpree, just on single kills?
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14:05.46Polarina*sigh*
14:06.10VolusWhat?
14:06.27PolarinaOnly 22 downloads this night and the average is 50. :(
14:06.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Around Azeroth: Newman's Landing - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/around-azeroth-newmans-landing/
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14:10.07Kasodownloads of what Polarina
14:10.07foxlit_downloads of what?
14:10.10Kasohaha
14:10.19foxlit_Kaso, I have a general question
14:10.29foxlit_Or, rather a specific one :)
14:10.29Kasopour moi?
14:10.49foxlit_IRC parser - you split the parameters and command into commandTab, but never used anything besides the command itself.
14:11.02foxlit_(and the trailing param beginning with :)
14:11.05foxlit_: )
14:11.18Kasolemme go find my code, its been so long i can barely remeber
14:11.38PolarinaMy Addon.
14:11.39foxlit_Can upload some version for you :)
14:12.01Kasothat might be helpful
14:12.18foxlit_http://wowi.pastey.net/74878
14:12.24foxlit_Polarina: what does it do?
14:12.28ltcolumbohaha Blizzard is giving away a 5.1 surround speaker system? lol funny since no decent soundcard works with the new sound engine
14:12.46foxlit_loaded statement.
14:12.48Kasofox is that my code?
14:12.55Kasoor based on mine?
14:12.57Polarinafoxlit_: Shows items sell value in tool-tips while not visiting a merchant.
14:13.16foxlit_Kaso: I may have renamed the function, but I don't think I touched what's inside
14:15.02Kasowouldnt happen to have the orginal full irc file lying around would you, im a little confused by this snippit myself actually
14:15.27foxlit_No :(
14:15.47Kasomy orginals are on another hard disk which isnt installed at the moment :<
14:15.53Kasomaybe i have a backup somewhere
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14:16.02foxlit_More or less the same issue
14:16.15foxlit_Except I don't know if the other hard disk actually has the originals on it
14:17.40foxlit_local name, commandsTab, param = tokeniseMessage(irc:receive("*l"));
14:17.40KasoI know the code is up on pastey somewhere but nors doesnt have a search function on the site :<
14:17.45foxlit_Think that was the basic idea
14:18.26KasoI'm not totally sure now, but you've got my curous, i gotta go out now, but when i get back i'll take a look at the orginal code and try to work out what i was thinking then i'll get back to you
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14:19.36KasoI think basically i was attempting to make the parser so it could handle any message in the IRC protocol even if i didnt impement any support for it yet
14:19.40KasoSo i could expand in future
14:19.51foxlit_Probably :)
14:20.18Kasocos my first version of the irc client was pretty much hardcoded for the few commands i needed
14:20.27Kasowhich is pretty bad practice so i rewrote
14:20.29Kasothats all i can remeber
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14:31.38Bagginswwhey kirkburn, did you read my update to {{Horde (pre-Thrall)}}?
14:32.18Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/History_of_the_Horde
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14:43.38Polarin1[NewsBot]: It took me 10 minutes to reach Newman's Landing...
14:54.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Results: How did the voice chat rollout go? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/results-how-did-the-voice-chat-rollout-go/
14:57.22VolusHorrible. Now I not only have to read Murlock, I have to hear it too!
15:07.37sannseKirkburn: you awake?
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15:08.40sannseor anyone else who might have tried to play on a European server while in the US....
15:09.32VolusW
15:09.35VolusI'm here
15:09.53VolusThough, I've only tried to play on a US server from Europe.
15:10.13sannsedid that work ok for you?
15:10.50VolusI had to make a new account and change the realmlist.wtf file
15:11.05VolusHowever, I didn't have to patch the game or anything like that.
15:11.25Kasomy guild had about 5 US guys who play with us in EU
15:12.21sannsehe's tried changing that file he says (got a friend visiting)
15:12.44sannsehe's just said a long list of stuff he's tried :-/
15:12.44VolusChange it to:
15:12.51KasoDoes he have an EU account?
15:12.56sannseKaso: yah
15:13.04Volusset realmlist eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com
15:13.04Volusset patchlist eu.version.worldofwarcraft.com
15:14.06sannsehe's getting logged on, he just can't do anything ...` "character naked, everyone unknown" (he's trying what you said)
15:14.51VolusHmm...
15:15.11VolusPerhaps the US servers are using a different patch?
15:15.31sannsehe updated that
15:15.38Kasotried clearing the cache out?
15:15.42sannseyep
15:15.51VolusLag?
15:16.15Polarin1sannse: The Blizzard's techincal support FAQ mentioned somethinb about this. Let me look it up.
15:16.18sannsecould be, although my connection seems ok
15:16.32FIsker-Polarin1 i got it!
15:16.41sannsehe says don't worry... he'll just get the next plane back to the UK ;)
15:16.48FIsker-http://eu.blizzard.com/support/splash.xml?locale=en_GB
15:16.50FIsker-19465
15:16.52FIsker-type in that number
15:16.58FIsker-and try the solution
15:17.03sannsethanks Polarina
15:17.09FIsker-:(
15:17.32sannseumm... Fisker- I mean! sorry
15:17.43Fisker-:P
15:17.56VolusOh, Sannse. You're one of the wikians, right?
15:18.16sannseVolus: yeah, I work for Wikia, one of the Community Team
15:18.20Fisker-It should be said though that Blizzard has definitely discontinued support for US<->EU client/server connectivity
15:18.29Fisker-it still works but it'll break in a couple of ways
15:18.37VolusCan you help me? Take a look at http://no.wow.wikia.com/wiki/Illidan
15:18.42Polarinasannese: http://eu.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=19465
15:18.46Fisker-You can only access english realms if i remember correctly
15:18.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Dalaran might be Alliance-only - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/dalaran-might-be-alliance-only/
15:18.55sannseyeah, looks like that's the problem... nasty
15:19.00VolusAs you can see, the pictures have an ugly, white frame.
15:19.09sannselooking...
15:19.11Polarina[NewsBot]: SHUT THE F-WORDING UP!!!
15:19.39Fisker-:D?
15:19.57sannseVolus: *nod* you need to set a bit of css to fix that... I can't get it now, but will when I get into work... I'll add it to the site file
15:20.07Fisker-I wonder if ET:QW is released on steam yet :(
15:20.10VolusThanks :)
15:20.16Fisker-why oh why wasn't there any preload :/
15:20.48sannseOK, I'd better go to work... tell Kirkburn I ate his ice cream :P
15:20.55sannsethanks for the help guys and gals
15:21.01Fisker-np
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15:42.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Blizzard's 5th annual Pumpkin Carving Contest has begun - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/blizzards-5th-annual-pumpkin-carving-contest-has-begun/
15:42.54lprichmoin moin
15:46.20[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Fired Nintendo Blogging Beauty Interviewed - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/10/05/fired-nintendo-blogging-beauty-interviewed/
15:46.23[NewsBot]GamePolitics: USA Today: Does Manhunt 2 Belong On Wii? - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/10/05/usa-today-does-manhunt-2-belong-on-wii/
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16:06.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: WoW Moviewatch: World of Warcraft Raid Bosses - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/wow-moviewatch-world-of-warcraft-raid-bosses/
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17:18.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Polls arrive at WoW forums - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/polls-arrive-at-wow-forums/
17:19.00KirkburnOOoh, now I know how to do the brewfest race even faster
17:19.24KirkburnGot 9 runs that time, I reckon I could make it to eleven
17:26.32pcjI bet
17:31.09Fisker-btw Kirkburn
17:31.12Fisker-got vista
17:31.13Fisker-?
17:31.27Kirkburnyes!
17:31.42Fisker-that's why IE doesn't lag then n00b
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17:40.28Kaydeethreethe most kegs I've ever done on a brewfest run is 10. 11 is possible, just need to figure out how to make the turns faster
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17:47.48ltcolumboVista lol
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17:57.27Fisker-btw Kirkburn
17:57.37Fisker-http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1153075616&pageNo=1&sid=1#15 <-awesome thread :P
17:57.58Fisker-oh and the reason IE doesn't lag on Vista is because, as far as i know IE is 3d accelerated
17:58.06Fisker-It isn't on Windows XP
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18:00.13Kirkburn:P
18:03.21KasoFisker-, that is pretty damn awesome
18:03.57zeeghttp://videos.cursebeta.com/details/443/ -- new video pages -- what do you guys think?
18:04.04zeeg(yes, its a rip off of youtube :P)
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18:06.13Fisker-moar like jewtube amirite zeeg?
18:06.42Fisker-but nice
18:06.43KirkburnFisker-, ...
18:06.46KirkburnThink before you speak
18:07.02KalrothKirkburn: There's actually a site with that name. Run by Jews. :)
18:07.06zeeglol
18:07.15Kalrothhttp://jewtube.co.uk/
18:07.17Fisker-not to mention
18:07.37Fisker-Kalgan said "y'know" and someone acused him of saying "jew"
18:07.43KirkburnThat doesn't make it not a racist remark
18:29.25Fisker-btw you got quake wars too Kirkburn?
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18:31.10Kirkburnnope
18:31.39Becominghello, is there an admin with a few spare minutes? :)
18:32.15KirkburnWhat do you need?
18:32.43Becomingthe wiki page of my previous server was moved a couple times by a vandal
18:32.54BecomingI made the mistake of just editting in a restored version instead of moving it back
18:32.59Becomingso now that it has an edit history I can't revert the move
18:35.05Becomingthe real page was here http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Blackwing_Lair_US and it was moved to http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:LOL%40Greengang
18:35.13pcjIs fandy being sarcastic http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump&curid=23440&diff=907078&oldid=906813
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18:46.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Why We War - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/the-care-and-feeding-of-warriors-why-we-war/
18:53.25Becomingthank you, Kirkburn :)
18:53.40KirkburnNo problem, sorry for not doing it earlier, got distracted by work
18:54.03Kirkburnpcj, I think he is :/
18:54.05Becomingif I had actually read how to move back properly first... hehe
18:54.07pcjlol
18:54.19Becomingthanks again
18:57.56KirkburnDamn
18:58.09KirkburnHe wouldn't have been able to move it anyway
18:58.48Kirkburnpcj, the hover thing I can *just about* understand, but it's not my fault Fandy didn't check the MoS :/
19:02.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: New Wrath Alliance town screenshots - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/new-wrath-alliance-town-screenshots/
19:12.03pcjI'm trying to figure out exactly what they're trying to do here http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:Outland_shadows_%28Arathor_EU%29
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19:15.20Archimedesoyy
19:16.00Archimedeshmm brb
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19:25.10KirkburnBagginsww, ping
19:28.06KirkburnWas just wondering if anyone wanted to add {{Talkheader}} to their talk pages :)
19:28.16pcjNope
19:36.48Kirkburn:(
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19:44.55KirkburnOMG polls on the forums?!
19:45.02pcjyes, duh
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19:45.58Kirkburn>_>
19:46.09KirkburnI have a job now, I can't stay up to date so much :(
19:47.08Fisker-you fail
19:47.38pcjfail fail fail
19:47.51Fisker-no u
19:48.28pcjprove it
19:48.33Fisker-*proof*
19:48.50pcjfail
19:49.19lprichJobs are for chumps... and people with mortgage payments.
19:50.47Fisker-with Kirkburn it's both lolol
19:51.25pcj*at others' expense
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19:52.01Fisker-i know how to solve that one
19:52.05Fisker-your mother pcj :(
19:52.21pcjyou would
19:52.42lprichAre you two always so loving towards one another? :P
19:52.54pcjNo, sometimes we make fun of kirkburn
19:53.01Kirkburn:)
19:53.17lprichI thought making fun of Kirkburn was a requirement around here? :P
19:53.55KirkburnShocking
19:54.10KirkburnI'll ban you. I'll ban you ALL. In a nice way.
19:54.19lprich:D
19:54.36pcjAnd then you'll be all alone
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19:54.51lprichI'm pretty sure he's already all alone.
19:54.57Kirkburn...
19:55.00VolusWho?
19:56.06pcjVery bad
19:56.25VolusWell, let's talk about something else.
19:56.29pcjNo
19:56.33lprichI just assume that most people in IRC are sad, lonely, snarky people like myself.
19:56.49VolusOh, poor them :(
19:56.58pcjNo, not quite so bad off as tha
19:56.59pcjt
19:57.05lprichlol
19:57.15VolusAre you lonely, Iprich?
19:57.20lprichAlways!
19:57.25lprich:P
19:57.40VolusPerhaps you should try to go out more often
19:58.16lprichI used to go out all the time.
19:58.24VolusIt usually helps, especially if you have nature on your side.
19:58.36lprichNature?
19:58.42pcjArcane imo
19:58.43lprichWhat's that?
19:58.50VolusGod, if you like.
19:58.54lprichhehe
19:59.06VolusIf he's made you pretty.
19:59.19lprichI have long hair... does that count at all?
19:59.44VolusIf it makes you look good.
19:59.49lprich(It's red though, so that pretty much counters any + points for it being long)
19:59.58lprichlol
20:00.25VolusNot at all
20:00.30VolusRed isn't bad.
20:00.58lprichOn good looking women, true. It's not so much help for guys though. :P
20:01.22lprichAnyways... I used to go out all the time, but that kinda stopped, because I quit drinking.
20:01.34VolusYou don't have to drink booze.
20:01.50lprichI know, but I'm not exactly the social kind when I'm sober.
20:02.05VolusOh, you're suffering from something called Norwegian sickness.
20:02.21lprichShould I google that?
20:02.44VolusI don't know ;)
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20:02.56VolusYou could try.
20:03.48VolusIt means that you need booze-induced courage to become social, and then feel very guilty afterwards.
20:04.08lprichOh, I never really felt guilty.
20:04.15lprichI just really liked getting drunk.
20:04.29VolusYou know that it's dangerous?
20:04.35VolusHow old are you?
20:04.45lprichI'm 23... and been sober for over a year.
20:05.00VolusOh, were you addicted?
20:05.05lprichHardcore.
20:05.21lprichI weigh, give or take, 135 lbs...
20:05.34lprichand I could easily drink a fifth of hard alcohol and then some
20:05.35equiraptorGrats on being sober over a year.
20:05.36lprichand keep going.
20:05.42lprichequiraptor: Thanks!
20:05.48VolusIn litres?
20:05.55lprich750ml
20:06.02equiraptorI'm glad you're "getting it together" so young, too. :)
20:06.23VolusAre you from America?
20:06.28lprichYep.
20:07.01VolusDo you know what's so good about Norway?
20:07.08lprichIt's not america?
20:07.15lprich:P
20:07.16VolusNo
20:07.41VolusIt's that we have something called the "Vine-monopoly"
20:08.25lprichheavily taxed goods such as alcohol and tobacco
20:08.32VolusEvery year the government slam a lot of tax on alcohol because they want us to drink less, and earn buckets of cash
20:08.59lprichInteresting.
20:09.08VolusTherefore, people who like to get drunk travel to Denmark or Sweden
20:09.15lprichYeah.
20:09.16VolusProblem solved ;)
20:09.34lprichI was about to say, the problem with alky's is that we ALWAYS find a way to get drunk. :)
20:09.58VolusReally?
20:10.11lprichOh yeah.
20:10.30lprichI could be totally broke and still find a way to get booze if I was in the mood to drink.
20:10.38VolusHow?
20:10.46lprichFind friends usually.
20:11.06lprichCrash parties...
20:11.08lprichhowever.
20:11.28lprichBut, those days are all over for me. :)
20:11.39VolusThat's great :)
20:11.59lprichYep. Somehow I managed to keep things in pretty good shape, even when I was getting trashed all the time.
20:12.17VolusDo you like sports?
20:12.21lprichNot really.
20:12.31VolusAny you're good at?
20:12.41lprichI used to play a lot of volleyball.
20:12.50lprichwhen I was in school.
20:13.02VolusAh, ok.
20:13.04lprichIt's not that I don't like sports, it's that I'm not physically competitive.
20:13.18VolusWhat do you mean?
20:13.47lprichWell, I don't know how it is where you are, but Sports in America are like, a really big deal.
20:14.04lprichAnd I think they should be played more for fun, than real competition.
20:14.32VolusWell, here amateurs play for fun mostly.
20:15.21lprichYeah. We had some ameteur soccer here that I played for a while, but then the league was changed to an 'intermediate' thing, and there were people playing that were from the 'advanced' and 'competitive' league...
20:15.26lprichand it quit being fun.
20:16.08VolusAre you studying at an university?
20:16.46lprichNope. I should have, but didn't.   I started working in MIS/IT right out of Highschool and have just been working ever since.
20:17.02lprichVarious jobs, different duties etc.
20:17.16lprichMac support, windows, linux, bsd's... networking, firewalls, routers
20:17.53VolusAh, ok. Do you find your job interesting? :)
20:17.59lprichSometimes!
20:18.21lprichWhen we get handed an actual problem, something that requires some thought to solve. :)
20:19.19VolusHmm, do you have any hobbies?
20:20.33lprichOh yes. I play WoW!  lol... and I play the guitar... and I play around with various linux/bsd things and learn stuff, and write some perl scripts...
20:22.44VolusEver thought about joining some kind of society (I don't know what the actual word is, so I just used the word society)?
20:23.03VolusOr organisation?
20:23.18lprichYeah, but most of those require waking up early. :P
20:23.42lprich... Did this all spawn from my earlier "sad, lonely, snarky" comment? lol
20:24.11VolusYeah, I'm using what I read about fraudian psycoanalysis.
20:24.18Voluspsycho-*
20:24.46VolusWhat you really need is to get away, to try something different!
20:25.00lprichIndeed, that IS what I need.
20:25.15lprichUnfortunately I'm tied down to a mortgage payment for a while.
20:25.48VolusHave you ever considered joining Red Cross and move to Africa for a while?
20:26.07lprichMoving to africa isn't that appealing to me...
20:26.34lprichIt's not WHERE I am that really gets to me... it's more my general feeling of not contributing to anything.. I just need to not be so lazy.
20:26.45VolusWell, think about everything you could do. Think of all those people you could help
20:27.37VolusThink about all the children you could give a future.
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20:28.00lprichNow you're going to start making me feel guilty.
20:28.20lprichIt's an inherent flaw in human nature I think....
20:28.30VolusNah, that's the shrink's job.
20:28.51lprichWe know we could be helping, but the majority, myself included, are too selfish to help... or something like that.
20:29.31VolusWell, perhaps it's not that which is the problem.
20:29.44VolusWe need to help these countries to help themselves
20:30.21lprichNow there's a worthwhile idea...
20:30.32pcj!wwstats
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20:30.36lprichNobody ever learns anything if you do everything for them... or so I'm told.
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20:30.42VolusYeah
20:30.53[NewsBot]pcj has updated the stats for #wowwiki! Check out the stats at http://www.bxd.dk/irc/freenode/wowwiki.html
20:31.31VolusFor instance, giving typhoid Mary an aspiring so she can continue working in the school kitchen ><
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20:31.36Volusaspirin*
20:32.32VolusOr giving away loads of grain, which leaves the local farmers with nothing.
20:33.07lprichYeah.
20:33.42VolusThe following year, when the UN is busy somewhere else, these people will starve because there are no farmers.
20:33.47lprichI think a lot of the 'help' that 'third world' countries get isn't that helpful in the long run.
20:34.05VolusI agree.
20:37.02VolusKirkburn, are you here?
20:37.17lprichHe's probably sitting back laughing at me. :)
20:37.34VolusKirkburn is always watching....
20:37.48VolusOh, I have a question
20:37.58VolusWhen did he become "lead admin"?
20:38.11lprichI have no idea. I only showed up earlier this week.
20:38.17VolusHe didn't found Wowwiki.
20:38.32KirkburnBy hard graft
20:38.48[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Ask WoW Insider: Best way to find a new server? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/05/ask-wow-insider-best-way-to-find-a-new-server/
20:38.58KirkburnAnd it's "a lead admin", and not entirely by promotion
20:39.18VolusOh...?
20:39.27KirkburnIt's how others view me :)
20:39.30VolusA coup?
20:39.46KirkburnIf there was someone to coup against, perhaps :P
20:40.34VolusSo you're the one who can disband wowwiki (if it's possible to do that to a wiki)?
20:40.56KirkburnNope
20:41.00Kirkburnpcj, lol
20:41.39KirkburnI'm only in charge of content
20:41.50lprichI just hope people keep viewing me as what I am... The village idiot.
20:42.04lprichI don't want to be getting ideas above my station. :)
20:42.05Volus^^
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20:43.07VolusI once changed Wowwiki Norway's logo. But Zizanzu got quite mad at me, so we had to change it back :P
20:43.28lprichHehe.
20:44.40VolusI'm just the leader of the translation team ;)
20:46.03VolusDotted, are you also here?
20:47.27VolusPerhaps he's busy.
20:48.15Volus"We hope to promote this wiki through the front page of WoWWiki"
20:48.25VolusKirkburn, do you know anything about this?
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20:49.12KirkburnNope
20:49.42VolusDotted says he's going to advertise for Wowwiki Denmark at Wowwiki's front page :P
20:59.24pcjugh whoever wrote these "Working with" articles needs to be shot
20:59.44Volusß?, ?}-{â7 â?£ you going to do?
21:01.02VolusWhat does "rockssors your boxssors" mean?
21:02.01lprichlol
21:02.12lprichsounds similar to 'rock your socks'
21:02.28lprichbut more like 'makes me happy in my pants'
21:02.43VolusOh.
21:05.46KirkburnWhat's the armory link thing again?
21:06.46Kirkburn!a eu dragonblight gurgeh
21:06.50Voluseu.wowarmory.com
21:07.52Kirkburnthraebot: a eu dragonblight gurgeh
21:08.31Volushttp://eu.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=gurgeh&searchType=all
21:08.38VolusWho's Gurgeh?
21:13.12KirkburnHe's not on there :)
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21:36.25pcjhi Jiyambi :)
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21:39.49lprichi'm so glad it's friday.
21:40.44pcj~seen dutempete
21:40.46infobotdutempete <n=chatzill@c-69-243-137-249.hsd1.in.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 4d 1h 2m 46s ago, saying: 'hehe'.
21:41.40lprichhmm. seems he hasn't been around in a while.
21:42.53pcjwho
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21:43.53lprichoh
21:44.09lprichmy bad
21:53.06pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/LEEROOOOOYJENKINS may be a vandal
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22:09.32NabuXhello  guys !
22:09.40NabuXis anybody here ?
22:09.54Sky2042yes, why?
22:10.16NabuXdo u know if there is anything like a item Model extractor or something like that ?
22:10.59Sky2042clarify, please
22:11.19NabuXyeah, like a model extractor, for having the world of warcraft 3d models
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22:11.38KirkburnDuTempete isn't gone, she's just busy atm
22:11.43Sky2042um, yeah, but i couldn't point you to it. pcj or kirkburn?
22:11.55KirkburnModel Viewer?
22:12.10NabuXlike that but i want to use the items or weapons
22:12.18Kirkburn"use"?
22:12.22NabuXor at least see them separetly
22:12.31Sky2042ah...
22:12.34KirkburnAnd you can't with model viewer?
22:12.35NabuXuse them for my wow info page
22:12.45NabuXwhat is that ?
22:13.03KirkburnIt's the same thing I just said before :P
22:13.15NabuXok, its like a program ?
22:13.18Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoW_Model_Viewer
22:13.36KirkburnSky2042, I think that also answers your question ;)
22:13.39NabuXand u cannot rip them out ?
22:14.01KirkburnDon't see why you'd want to?
22:14.09NabuXlike a .obj or a .3ds
22:14.17KirkburnOh right, I don't know
22:14.33NabuXbecouse it is useful for putting them in my page
22:14.57NabuXits better to use them if i have a .3ds file or something like that
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23:06.26foxlitgasp, new icons :/
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23:07.39Jiyambihey everyone
23:07.57Kirkburnheya
23:08.03Kirkburnfoxlit, ?
23:08.24foxlitThey introduced a few new icons in 2.2
23:08.31Kirkburn:O
23:09.04foxlitWhich means I get to update that dictionary :/
23:09.51JiyambiHey Kirkburn, I am trying out making a project page for the zone category cleanup
23:11.19JiyambiI was wondering what you thought about it, it's in my user page for the moment while I work on it: [[User:Jiyambi/Zone category project]]
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23:16.23foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Jerichojess
23:16.24foxlitagain
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23:31.57Kirkburnwtf
23:36.29Kirkburnfoxlit, one really has to wonder ...
23:37.34piuhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Pinacolada
23:37.57piuif you want to talk to him in person
23:38.24[NewsBot]BlizzPlanet: Missing Diplomat Quest - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1751
23:38.53foxlitUS/EU realms
23:39.00piuUS
23:39.11JiyambiKirkburn or piu, will on of you check out the project page I made and let me know what you think?
23:39.13foxlitYeah, I'm pointing out the divide :)
23:39.22Jiyambihttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Jiyambi/Zone_category_project
23:40.18KirkburnI don't think the guy is quite all there, which is unfortunate
23:42.01lprichI resemble that remark.
23:42.56KirkburnFrom the set up of his screen, it is very unusual, and leads me to think he may be disabled
23:43.39KirkburnHe only has icons in positions 5 onwards, along with bright colours and sizes for the chat boxes
23:44.07piujiyambi, looks good
23:45.52Jiyambithank you piu :)
23:46.47piuI think we should start up [[Category:WoWWiki Projects]] for currently active projects
23:47.10piujust to start things up for now
23:47.22Kirkburncool
23:47.30KirkburnGo right ahead
23:47.52JiyambiI put that one at [[WoWWiki:Zone category project]]
23:47.53KirkburnLink on http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev3
23:48.04JiyambiI will add it to the category
23:48.14piuI need to modify my working page into a proper mage project before I add it
23:48.14KirkburnThat's my redev of the Community portal, which I mean to finish off v soon
23:48.42Kirkburn(http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev3#WoWWiki_projects specifically)
23:48.46JiyambiYou wanted me to add a link there, kirkburn?
23:48.47piuif the projects policy works our, we can always move them later
23:48.58piuour-out*
23:51.08piuhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Purplepayne his level 52 night elf hunter
23:51.11Jiyambihmmm looks like the renaming part of the zone category project is on the bot request page
23:51.18KirkburnJiyambi, yup
23:51.27Kirkburnpiu, you worked on the projects page too, no?
23:51.29JiyambiIs that moving forward at all?
23:51.47piuwhich one, your dev page?
23:51.58KirkburnNo, the actual proposal
23:52.13piuyeah
23:52.17KirkburnLink that
23:52.46KirkburnThat should be the main link, with the important individual projects below it
23:52.47piu[[WoWWiki:Projects]] that one?
23:52.48[NewsBot]piu meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Projects
23:52.52KirkburnAye
23:53.06piuyeah, right now it's proposal text
23:53.18KirkburnAnd that's a dev page :P
23:53.25Jiyambihehe
23:53.26KirkburnSo they go together perfectly ^^
23:53.30TaurmindoApplicant must demonstrate and use the conventions of Standard Written English (SWE). Allowance for minor deviations and language barriers are, of course, not an issue.
23:53.31piuwhich, if adopted, I guess ends up at Policy/Projects
23:53.34TaurmindoSWE? swedish? :)
23:53.59JiyambiKirkburn: do you think the category renaming can be botted? should I remove it from the project?
23:54.10piusorry, meant your dev page on your user space
23:54.21piuI haven't edited that at all
23:58.20KirkburnTaurmindo, ?

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