| 00:01.23 | pcj | Is that better? |
| 00:02.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Much better |
| 00:03.55 | pcj | l8r then |
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| 00:08.27 | Hobinheim|ubuntu | so indecisive... what class should i roll and what should i name him! |
| 00:18.45 | pcj | what do you like doing, tanking, healing, or dps |
| 00:20.20 | winkiller | the MrT one is SO cool |
| 00:20.38 | winkiller | Hobinheim: Gnome named Tux? |
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| 00:38.47 | pcj | !jobqueue |
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| 01:31.07 | Hobinheim|ubuntu | i don't think i could cut it as a tank |
| 01:31.22 | Hobinheim|ubuntu | just enough to save clothies |
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| 02:55.21 | Jachel292 | Hi guys |
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| 07:42.39 | Sky2042 | mmh? |
| 07:43.14 | quiescens | indeed |
| 07:44.14 | quiescens | so I'm wondering |
| 07:44.27 | Sky2042 | mm? |
| 07:48.37 | quiescens | oh hey that's convenient |
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| 10:29.53 | dispel | is any one here a OP on wowhead |
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| 10:42.07 | Bibi | yes there is Adys|sleep |
| 10:42.12 | Bibi | you should talk to him if you've got any problem. |
| 10:42.20 | Bibi | he helps people everytime |
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| 10:52.33 | Kalroth | dispel: join #wowhead |
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| 10:58.38 | Bibi | hey mister smart Kalroth |
| 10:58.45 | Bibi | maybe he's asking for an op of #wowhead here because he cannot join it ? |
| 10:59.02 | Bibi | maybe all hosts from qld.bigpond.net.au are banned ? |
| 10:59.09 | Bibi | and maybe he's got one of this hosts ? |
| 10:59.30 | Kalroth | Too bad! |
| 10:59.51 | Kalroth | Besides, he wrote wowhead, not #wowhead. Maybe he means the website and not the channel! |
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| 11:45.00 | |FF|Im2good4u | does the shaman ghost wolf count as a shapeshift ? |
| 12:06.50 | dispel | i cant join #wowhead |
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| 12:29.58 | Bibi | [11:59:31] <Kalroth> Besides, he wrote wowhead, not #wowhead. Maybe he means the website and not the channel! |
| 12:30.05 | Bibi | He also said he wanted to see an OP. |
| 12:30.11 | Bibi | like in operator, channel operator. |
| 12:30.20 | Bibi | I can't see any op on wowhead, can you mister Kalroth ? |
| 12:30.25 | Kalroth | or like in operator, site operator?! |
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| 13:06.41 | Voluspaa | Thihi! |
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| 13:59.33 | Volusp | Kirkburn, you're an engineer, right? A 6 m tall flagpole breaks so that the tip of the flagpole now touches the ground 4.2 m away from its base. Where on the flagpole did the rupture occur? |
| 13:59.58 | Volusp | Oh, you're sleeping. :( |
| 14:00.15 | Volusp | Can anyone else lend me a hand? |
| 14:01.07 | Kirkburn|sleep | Sounds fun |
| 14:02.19 | Kirkburn|sleep | You know the total length of the vertical and hypoteneous (6m) and the base length is 4.2m |
| 14:04.09 | Kirkburn|sleep | Drawing a diagram helps, but can't really think of a simple method to solve that |
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| 14:26.05 | Volusp | No :( |
| 14:29.38 | zeal | isn't an "ignorant pedant" an oxymoron? :s |
| 14:30.19 | Volusp | I don't know, but I'd like to know. |
| 14:30.37 | Volusp | I'll use it in my next English essay |
| 14:33.00 | Volusp | Question. What's the difference between avertising and advertising? |
| 14:33.42 | Zeal | the former isn't a word? |
| 14:33.44 | Volusp | Is it possible to advertise yourself, or do you have to avertise yourself? |
| 14:33.52 | Volusp | No? |
| 14:34.00 | Zeal | nope |
| 14:34.34 | Kalroth | Google. |
| 14:34.55 | Zeal | people can't spell |
| 14:35.03 | Zeal | even google suggests advertising :P |
| 14:35.17 | Volusp | Avertise is Dutch :O |
| 14:35.26 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:35.29 | Zeal | anyways, bbl |
| 14:35.46 | Volusp | Why do you change your name all the time? |
| 14:36.36 | zeal | common practice tbh. |
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| 14:37.11 | Volusp | What's the point? |
| 14:42.09 | Kalroth | So people can see he isn't here? |
| 14:43.40 | Volusp | Zeal - zeal |
| 14:43.56 | Volusp | zeal |
| 14:44.02 | Volusp | zeal - zeal |
| 14:44.09 | Volusp | Zeal - zeal |
| 14:44.14 | Volusp | Hmmm... |
| 14:44.35 | Volusp | Anyway, I have another question |
| 14:45.13 | Volusp | What's the most common in Europe: milliard or billion? |
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| 15:24.33 | winkiller | Volusp: never even heard milliard in school |
| 15:24.55 | winkiller | in English lessons (no native English speaker) |
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| 16:46.59 | foxlit | Hm |
| 16:47.11 | foxlit | Sometimes I miss a UI namespace |
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| 17:01.50 | pcj | yeah |
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| 17:07.24 | |Pixel| | PCNC is live in europe |
| 17:07.24 | |Pixel| | https://www.wow-europe.com/character/pcnc/intro.html |
| 17:07.41 | Adys | :o |
| 17:07.59 | Adys | Ill change my name to Killarxxxlul and transfer to a rp realm |
| 17:08.18 | Adys | 30 euros to make people think i levelled to 70 with that |
| 17:08.26 | |Pixel| | priceless |
| 17:08.58 | Adys | pixel, fix the armory :/ |
| 17:09.00 | Adys | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Elune&n=Kedei |
| 17:09.32 | |Pixel| | hm ? |
| 17:09.37 | Adys | guild roster name |
| 17:09.58 | |Pixel| | hm ? |
| 17:10.05 | Adys | top right :( |
| 17:10.23 | |Pixel| | MDR |
| 17:10.25 | |Pixel| | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:10.31 | |Pixel| | *screenshot* |
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| 17:26.23 | Lukian | <Adys> Ill change my name to Killarxxxlul and transfer to a rp realm <- lol! :D |
| 17:26.33 | Lukian | I tried to roll 'Orgazmo' on an RP realm :( |
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| 17:39.53 | winkiller | lol |
| 17:40.07 | winkiller | well, I love the naming policy on rp actually |
| 17:40.10 | winkiller | no "loltroll" |
| 17:40.21 | winkiller | or Leethunterdk |
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| 17:46.47 | Lukian | I wonder if I can roll a Klit on an RP |
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| 17:56.50 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Ragestorm#Nathrezim.2FTothrezim |
| 17:56.57 | Bagginsww | gg at this point I can't take Kirochi seriously anymore... |
| 17:57.41 | foxlit | Mwh |
| 17:57.47 | foxlit | Wonder what Fandyllic is up to |
| 17:58.05 | pcj | Why is he adding "mob powers" to item tooltip |
| 17:58.31 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sonic_Burst |
| 17:58.56 | pcj | ... |
| 18:00.00 | foxlit | That does need a tooltip |
| 18:00.20 | pcj | It shouldn't be the same template as item tooltips tho |
| 18:00.21 | foxlit | But people need to stop messing with {{tooltip}}, sandbox their dev changes and use new templates where warranted. |
| 18:00.34 | foxlit | It's not immediately obvious that by {{tooltip}} we mean {{item}} |
| 18:01.01 | pcj | Well, maybe #REDIRECT to [[Template:Tooltip Item]] |
| 18:01.11 | foxlit | "The template creates a WoW styled tooltip for items and characters;" |
| 18:01.36 | pcj | characters? |
| 18:01.47 | pcj | last i checked it wasn't used for characters |
| 18:01.55 | foxlit | That's what Talk: says |
| 18:02.34 | foxlit | Anyway |
| 18:02.39 | foxlit | evil proposed change time |
| 18:02.49 | foxlit | We're deprecating both comment and desc in favour of flavour |
| 18:03.14 | foxlit | Or, rather, |flavor=, which becomes universal for flavor text on items. |
| 18:03.37 | foxlit | Good/bad/awful? |
| 18:03.42 | pcj | Sounds like an arbitrary changes |
| 18:03.44 | pcj | change* |
| 18:03.48 | foxlit | Yeah, it is |
| 18:04.10 | foxlit | There's no real purpose than to provide a clear idea of what the parameter is used for |
| 18:04.37 | foxlit | Power moves to some ability tooltip template |
| 18:05.01 | pcj | Yeap |
| 18:07.05 | pcj | So make all the Spell: pages into using the new ability tooltip? |
| 18:07.44 | foxlit | But not all of them are actual abilities :/ |
| 18:07.58 | foxlit | Translating Increases damage and healing by 23. into a tooltip seems odd :) |
| 18:08.20 | pcj | Hmm |
| 18:13.30 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Tooltip/Dev |
| 18:15.32 | Fisker- | i'm back :( |
| 18:16.10 | pcj | damn it |
| 18:16.27 | foxlit | is all flavor text in quotes? |
| 18:17.00 | pcj | uhhh |
| 18:17.14 | pcj | "all" is a big generalization |
| 18:17.42 | foxlit | Not really :) |
| 18:17.58 | pcj | Pretty sure it is tho |
| 18:18.48 | foxlit | Only 200 items with flavor text, most of them gems |
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| 18:54.10 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Abilitytip |
| 18:56.46 | pcj | Oh, i bet you're proud of that one |
| 18:58.07 | pcj | Wouldn't have quotes on that desc tho |
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| 20:09.13 | foxlit | gr |
| 20:09.18 | foxlit | ability infobox = mehmeh |
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| 20:41.04 | Kirkburn | TecnoBrat-, make up your damn mind :P |
| 20:41.24 | TecnoBrat | Sorry :P |
| 20:41.29 | TecnoBrat | Fixing my links :P |
| 20:41.29 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 20:41.32 | Kirkburn | np |
| 20:41.48 | TecnoBrat | I keep getting d/c and it pisses me off cause I'm in a moderated channel, and then can't change my nick |
| 20:42.07 | TecnoBrat | I'm done now tho |
| 20:42.28 | Kirkburn | >_< |
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| 20:47.41 | Volusp | Fake your beauty ;9 |
| 20:48.57 | Kirkburn | That totally made sense to me |
| 20:49.50 | TecnoBrat | it did? |
| 20:52.25 | foxlit | "It's your group-based mana regeneration talent and second rate DPS..." best opening ever. |
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| 20:53.14 | Volu | Don't you also find this movie very fascinating? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OviIggZw1Oc&feature=related |
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| 21:02.28 | Volu | Stupid American Family visits Britain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlGnaHWVLDA&feature=related |
| 21:02.40 | Polarina | |Pixel|: Why isn't the login form to the forums using SSL or any encrypted protocols? |
| 21:03.32 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: The Endless Grind - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/21/the-endless-grind/ |
| 21:03.49 | Volu | Polarina :) |
| 21:04.10 | Polarina | Volu: :) |
| 21:05.10 | Fisker- | it is Polarina |
| 21:05.17 | Polarina | Fisker-: No, it didn't.. |
| 21:05.20 | Fisker- | It did |
| 21:05.36 | Fisker- | The form itself is secure |
| 21:05.41 | Fisker- | but the page isn't |
| 21:05.45 | Polarina | Fisker-: The form itself isn't but it sends the POST data through SSL. |
| 21:06.02 | Fisker- | the difference being? |
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| 21:06.25 | Volu | You're new, aren't you ;)? |
| 21:06.28 | Polarina | Fisker-: That is elliminating the entire purpose of SSL. It would be exactly as secure by removing that SSL part completely. |
| 21:06.44 | Fisker- | proof or it didn't happen |
| 21:06.57 | Polarina | Fisker-: Because the "man in the middle" could simply modify the location where the POST data is going to be sent, redirecting it to his own server for example! |
| 21:07.25 | Fisker- | he could simply modify the location you're visiting too |
| 21:07.36 | Polarina | Fisker-: But it isn't as notable. |
| 21:07.48 | Polarina | Fisker-: And there are certificates. |
| 21:07.55 | Fisker- | sure is he could just use another dns entry |
| 21:08.04 | Fisker- | MITM-attacks does require significant access to your personal network |
| 21:08.11 | |Pixel| | Polarina: the purpose of the SSL in that case is not to render man in the middle attack impossible |
| 21:08.23 | |Pixel| | it is to render network sniffing useless |
| 21:08.31 | Polarina | |Pixel|: But he could still easily access your password. |
| 21:08.39 | foxlit | wru, nonce-based client side hashing? |
| 21:08.42 | |Pixel| | and it's way easier to do network sniffing than man in the middle |
| 21:08.43 | |Pixel| | how ? |
| 21:09.01 | Polarina | |Pixel|: He could modify the data transfered. |
| 21:09.09 | |Pixel| | how ? :) |
| 21:09.27 | Polarina | |Pixel|: Like he "steals" your packets. |
| 21:09.36 | foxlit | (voodoo!) |
| 21:09.47 | |Pixel| | just explain me how one would do that :p |
| 21:10.14 | Polarina | |Pixel|: Explain me why you have SSL in the first place since you don't believe it is possible. |
| 21:10.22 | |Pixel| | 22:08 < |Pixel|> it is to render network sniffing useless |
| 21:10.33 | |Pixel| | SSL will encrypt the login and the password |
| 21:11.25 | Polarina | |Pixel|: Yes. |
| 21:11.25 | |Pixel| | so anyone sniffing the network using wireless hooking or so wouldn't be able to read your password |
| 21:11.25 | Polarina | |Pixel|: It does. |
| 21:11.25 | Polarina | |Pixel|: Of course. |
| 21:11.25 | |Pixel| | that's it |
| 21:11.25 | Fisker- | MITM-attack are, as i said, already significantly harder to pull off than sniffing |
| 21:11.25 | Fisker- | and in the case that you're suffering for that kind of an attack you probably have other things to be worried about |
| 21:11.25 | |Pixel| | Fisker-: indeed |
| 21:11.28 | Fisker- | like who your friends are and aren't |
| 21:11.32 | Polarina | |Pixel|: But one could modify the unencrypted form page where you enter the username and password to have it post it to a different location. (Like his own server). |
| 21:11.43 | |Pixel| | and once again |
| 21:11.51 | |Pixel| | explain me how one could modify the unencrypted form page |
| 21:12.09 | |Pixel| | I could pretty much explain how one could sniff an unencrypted network |
| 21:12.22 | |Pixel| | there are thouthands of ways to sniff a network |
| 21:12.24 | Polarina | |Pixel|: Having a automatic program installed on one of the computers that the packets go thorugh, and modify them. |
| 21:12.38 | Kirkburn | But only one way to sniff a dog |
| 21:13.01 | |Pixel| | so, you're talking about your ISP's routers having a trojan or something, huh ? |
| 21:13.04 | Fisker- | i'm still maintaining that if you have that issue, getting your locks changed would be of higher priority |
| 21:13.14 | Polarina | |Pixel|: I read an article about this somewhere, let me find it for you. |
| 21:13.35 | |Pixel| | with pleasure |
| 21:13.58 | Adys | yes, the internet's articles are the best source of truth in the world |
| 21:14.00 | Fisker- | btw |
| 21:14.02 | Fisker- | BTW |
| 21:14.08 | Fisker- | school administration fun |
| 21:14.16 | |Pixel| | Adys: and fun |
| 21:14.19 | Fisker- | Your school has a script that searches for all mp3 files on the computer and reports it |
| 21:14.23 | |Pixel| | source of truth, and source of fun |
| 21:14.30 | Fisker- | PROTIP: Make a batch script that makes random .mp3 files |
| 21:14.34 | Fisker- | use it on login |
| 21:14.36 | Fisker- | ??? |
| 21:14.37 | Fisker- | PROFIT |
| 21:15.23 | Fisker- | One of the other students were trying to login while i was making literally thousands and thousands of empty MP3 files |
| 21:15.35 | Fisker- | and it was hanging in the login screen until i stopped my script :D |
| 21:15.58 | |Pixel| | Fisker-: fork bomber! |
| 21:16.10 | Fisker- | i'm one of the good guys now though :( |
| 21:16.17 | Fisker- | Work for the administration there |
| 21:17.28 | Fisker- | Also i need you to go look through some logs that you are not allowed to share with me |
| 21:18.13 | Fisker- | Kirkburn |
| 21:18.40 | Fisker- | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.2 |
| 21:18.49 | Fisker- | Should add mmo-champion or something as a source |
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| 21:19.51 | Fisker- | doh |
| 21:19.52 | Fisker- | so Bibi |
| 21:19.58 | Fisker- | shouldn't happen to have the enGB downloader? :P |
| 21:19.59 | Fisker- | also |
| 21:20.01 | Polarina | |Pixel|: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/04/20/410240.aspx - Under "Critical Mistake #1: Non-HTTPS Login pages (even if submitting to a HTTPS page)." |
| 21:20.01 | Fisker- | giev notes |
| 21:20.02 | foxlit | meh |
| 21:20.07 | foxlit | forum links or nothing! |
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| 21:22.46 | Fisker- | Polarina which pretty much already covers what we have discussed |
| 21:22.48 | Polarina | |Pixel|: Bank of America was a victim of such attack (Form is unencrypted, sending data through SSL) |
| 21:23.15 | Fisker- | how was it "victim of such attack" when the attack is served at clients rather than servers? |
| 21:23.23 | Kirkburn | Done, Fisker- |
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| 21:23.38 | Polarina | Fisker-: You know what I mean. |
| 21:24.11 | Kirkburn | Bibi, you like crashing your server don't you |
| 21:24.28 | Fisker- | Polarina but it means that the attack shouldn't be widespread |
| 21:24.32 | Fisker- | which is a big difference |
| 21:25.01 | Polarina | Fisker-: Still, it is possible, and I feel uncomfortable with that. |
| 21:25.03 | Fisker- | As they themselves say, it creates a performance issue by serving https data directly |
| 21:25.21 | Fisker- | They're not going to make the forum entirely rely on https |
| 21:25.26 | Polarina | Fisker-: It can't be so much if they add SSL encryption to the login form. |
| 21:25.27 | Fisker- | so that leaves removing the form left |
| 21:25.38 | Fisker- | they have SSL encryption to the login form |
| 21:25.47 | Fisker- | The login form itself redirects to the HTTPS page |
| 21:25.49 | Polarina | Fisker-: No they don't, only on the POST data. |
| 21:25.57 | Fisker- | listen |
| 21:26.15 | Fisker- | i don't mean the form up in the right corner |
| 21:26.24 | Fisker- | cause that form is gone if they want to make that change realistically |
| 21:26.47 | Fisker- | https://forums.wow-europe.com/login.html |
| 21:26.56 | Polarina | Fisker-: I'm talking about the big form in the middle of the screen. |
| 21:27.01 | Fisker- | yes |
| 21:27.04 | Fisker- | that one is https |
| 21:27.11 | Polarina | Not in Europe... |
| 21:27.54 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 21:28.01 | Fisker- | might be my script that automatically redirects though |
| 21:28.04 | Fisker- | cause i'm getting to that page fine |
| 21:28.06 | |Pixel| | "A bad guy sitting on the wire between the two could simply retarget the POST to submit to a HTTPS site that he controls. Oops. " |
| 21:28.28 | |Pixel| | again, I'd just like to see that, just once |
| 21:28.31 | Fisker- | but in any case it's about removing the existing right corner form |
| 21:28.37 | Fisker- | and redirecting to the login page |
| 21:28.41 | Polarina | Fisker-: I never suggested that. |
| 21:28.51 | Fisker- | Polarina realistically it is |
| 21:28.58 | Ose | how do I stop textboxes from "crashing" into eachother? I have been trying to sort out my user page (http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Ose), but my two boxes are kinda overlapping eachother... |
| 21:29.07 | Fisker- | The more work the server has to do, the worse it will run |
| 21:29.30 | Fisker- | and you can always opt for using the https page |
| 21:29.38 | foxlit | ose: don't use position: absolute |
| 21:29.40 | Fisker- | Which btw doesn't restrict a MITM attack |
| 21:29.53 | Fisker- | as he, as already said, can still manipulate the data stream |
| 21:30.06 | Kirkburn | Bibi, :( |
| 21:30.11 | Polarina | Fisker-: He can't fake the certificate. |
| 21:30.17 | |Pixel| | Fisker-: well, he won't be able to fake the certificate |
| 21:30.32 | Fisker- | And if you're smart enough to figure out you're getting phished, you're smart enough to figure out how to not get MITM attacks, and you're smart enough to use the https page to begin with |
| 21:30.36 | Fisker- | exactly |Pixel| |
| 21:31.02 | Fisker- | But face it, no normal user is going to take any notice of any certificates ever |
| 21:31.11 | |Pixel| | depends |
| 21:31.27 | |Pixel| | when your browser pops a big red flashy popup with "INVALID CERTIFICATE!" in front of you... |
| 21:32.13 | Fisker- | well that's the worst case scenario |
| 21:32.31 | Fisker- | but as far as i know it's perfectly possible to generate a certificate which will remove that big red flashy popup |
| 21:32.43 | |Pixel| | no |
| 21:32.46 | Polarina | Fisker-: That certificate would have to be registered. |
| 21:32.48 | |Pixel| | you won't get the root signature |
| 21:33.21 | Fisker- | well i'm pretty sure it went fine making my own certificate on my own server |
| 21:33.28 | |Pixel| | yes |
| 21:33.30 | |Pixel| | but then |
| 21:33.38 | |Pixel| | you get a popup "invalid certificate" :) |
| 21:33.53 | Fisker- | only if it tries to say the site is wow-europe.com right? |
| 21:33.59 | foxlit | No |
| 21:34.04 | |Pixel| | no |
| 21:34.10 | foxlit | You need someone the User Agent trusts to sign your certificate |
| 21:34.20 | |Pixel| | exactly |
| 21:34.23 | foxlit | Or you'll get "certificate untrusted" errors no matter who you pretend to be |
| 21:34.25 | Fisker- | ah |
| 21:34.42 | Fisker- | that's actually right |
| 21:34.43 | foxlit | And the big assumption is that you cannot get a CA to sign off on your claim to be wow-europe.com |
| 21:34.58 | Fisker- | it came up with an additional popup when i tried to access my own https server |
| 21:35.17 | |Pixel| | yes |
| 21:35.22 | |Pixel| | a popup which says something like |
| 21:35.30 | Fisker- | "Don't do it!" |
| 21:35.32 | |Pixel| | "accept for this session, permanently, or forbid" |
| 21:35.33 | Fisker- | "Yes, yes and yes" |
| 21:35.41 | Fisker- | damn |
| 21:35.46 | Fisker- | better read those boxes :P |
| 21:36.21 | Fisker- | I guess the best thing to do is to just link the page |
| 21:36.39 | Fisker- | like they wrote with having both the https in http form and the link to the https page |
| 21:36.53 | |Pixel| | anyway |
| 21:36.53 | Fisker- | still don't think it'll matter though |
| 21:37.01 | |Pixel| | I'll give Polarina credit for the following: |
| 21:37.28 | |Pixel| | IF you are in a cyber caf, or in an untrusted area, such as hooking randomly with your wireless network, or even in a unsecure university or so |
| 21:37.40 | |Pixel| | then you MIGHT think about suffering a MITM attack |
| 21:39.15 | Fisker- | even my school detect mitm's pretty easily :P |
| 21:39.20 | Fisker- | and they suck |
| 21:43.29 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.2 updated! |
| 21:44.15 | Kirkburn | Props to Bibi |
| 21:44.34 | Bibi | Because he's nice |
| 21:44.51 | Kirkburn | Bibi, know the version number? |
| 21:45.00 | Bibi | 7627 |
| 21:45.03 | |Pixel| | because he's french |
| 21:45.04 | Kirkburn | Thanks |
| 21:47.39 | Fisker- | bah |
| 21:47.42 | Fisker- | engb patch not up yet |
| 21:47.50 | Fisker- | i want to get online, need a computer, etc. |
| 21:48.53 | Fisker- | i hope they put in additional logging for guild bank |
| 21:49.05 | Fisker- | some idiot keeps splitting up the guild bank and write "LOL" in items |
| 21:49.16 | Fisker- | and this time it's not me |
| 21:50.36 | Kirkburn | lol |
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| 21:52.38 | |Pixel| | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.4.0 |
| 21:52.42 | |Pixel| | this page should be updated |
| 21:52.44 | |Pixel| | about ice block |
| 21:52.51 | Fisker- | he just did |
| 21:53.04 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 21:53.10 | |Pixel| | hahaha |
| 21:53.11 | Kirkburn | Thanks though |
| 21:53.38 | Adys | whats with randomly skipping an increment? :P |
| 21:53.41 | Fisker- | btw |Pixel| we're having fun |
| 21:53.51 | Fisker- | Some guy claiming to have the WotLK alpha |
| 21:53.56 | |Pixel| | 2.3.2 was already in the pipe |
| 21:54.10 | Fisker- | and i keep owning him because all he talks about are non-existant domains |
| 21:54.23 | |Pixel| | 2.3.1 was left "in case of" a major hotfix to push |
| 21:54.34 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 21:54.45 | Kirkburn | Sounds like 2.0.2 |
| 21:54.45 | Fisker- | this is actually a standard procedure now apparently |
| 21:54.48 | Adys | www.worldofwarcraft.com/download-wotlk-free.exe |
| 21:54.51 | Adys | rly |
| 21:55.01 | Fisker- | moar liek alpha.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 21:55.01 | foxlit | Why not rename 2.3.2 if it had to be pushed? |
| 21:55.03 | Fisker- | he just forgot |
| 21:55.04 | |Pixel| | Fisker-: such as ? :) |
| 21:55.10 | Fisker- | *** ns3.arrownet.dk can't find alpha.worldofwarcraft.com: Non-existent domain |
| 21:55.25 | |Pixel| | foxlit: because it's more pain to rename a patch than just leaving a blank |
| 21:55.30 | |Pixel| | just like in the old "BASIC" days |
| 21:55.36 | |Pixel| | 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD" |
| 21:55.38 | |Pixel| | 20 GOTO 10 |
| 21:55.45 | |Pixel| | why did we leave holes in the numbering ? :) |
| 21:55.56 | Kirkburn | Cause. |
| 21:56.11 | Fisker- | i just thought it couldn't handle 1-9 :P |
| 21:56.15 | Fisker- | only 10-20-30 etc. |
| 21:56.20 | Lukian | lol |
| 21:56.24 | Kirkburn | >_< |
| 21:56.31 | Kirkburn | nub |
| 21:56.40 | Fisker- | QWQ |
| 21:56.41 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 21:56.45 | Kirkburn | fail. |
| 21:56.54 | Adys | kirk help me =/ |
| 21:56.56 | Fisker- | it made better sense anyways |
| 21:56.58 | Kirkburn | With? |
| 21:57.09 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Public_client_builds |
| 21:57.12 | Adys | theres a huge hole |
| 21:57.21 | Adys | i got the patchlist but im lazy :p |
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| 21:58.34 | Kirkburn | >_< |
| 21:58.36 | Soby | i need a little help with macros people |
| 21:58.40 | Soby | can anyone help me out here? |
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| 21:59.08 | Kirkburn | This may be of interest Adys - http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 21:59.11 | Lukian | http://www.wowwiki.com/Macro |
| 21:59.48 | Fisker- | can't wait for WotLK though |
| 21:59.50 | Adys | hmpf |
| 21:59.57 | Fisker- | or SC2 for that matter |
| 22:00.06 | Kirkburn | Or your mom |
| 22:00.07 | Adys | Kirkburn: is it accurate? |
| 22:00.09 | Fisker- | especially not now when they've added support for DotA |
| 22:00.14 | Kirkburn | Adys, yup |
| 22:00.21 | Fisker- | my mom is definitely worth waiting for |
| 22:00.23 | foxlit | [[Macro]] sucks, etc |
| 22:00.24 | [NewsBot] | foxlit meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Macro |
| 22:00.25 | Adys | kk then update it for me :P |
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| 22:01.47 | Fisker- | btw Adys |
| 22:01.59 | Fisker- | i think he's like postponed the "leak" of the client for like 3 weeks now |
| 22:02.08 | Adys | lol |
| 22:02.26 | Fisker- | would be funny if they believed him when it happens to be out for like the 1 billionth delay |
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| 22:04.07 | Fisker- | Blizzard needs to get their games on steam btw |
| 22:04.11 | Fisker- | that would be ultimately awesome |
| 22:04.16 | Polarina | Fisker-: NO! |
| 22:04.21 | Fisker- | YES |
| 22:04.39 | Polarina | NOO! |
| 22:04.44 | Polarina | NOT ON STEAM!!! |
| 22:04.48 | |Pixel| | blizzard would never get their games on steam |
| 22:04.56 | Fisker- | probably not :( |
| 22:05.01 | Fisker- | they're doing very well without |
| 22:05.04 | |Pixel| | blizzard's way of doing is to reinvent the wheel everytime |
| 22:05.12 | |Pixel| | so instead of putting their games on steam |
| 22:05.13 | Fisker- | also i'm not sure vivendi is that excited about it either |
| 22:05.19 | |Pixel| | they'd develop their own instead |
| 22:06.30 | Fisker- | just have to wait for Valve to take over the market, Microsoft style |
| 22:06.41 | |Pixel| | ha ha ha |
| 22:07.07 | Sandwichman2448 | ... |
| 22:07.08 | |Pixel| | first I'm waiting to see TF2 on PS3, then we'll talk :P |
| 22:07.29 | Fisker- | you have a PS3? :( |
| 22:07.34 | Adys | wth would be the point of having blizzard games on steam? |
| 22:07.38 | |Pixel| | of course |
| 22:07.44 | Fisker- | Adys digital download |
| 22:07.44 | |Pixel| | Adys: starcraft2 on steam |
| 22:07.53 | Polarina | Fisker-: Computers are digital! |
| 22:07.54 | Adys | lol |
| 22:07.56 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Stormstrike and so on |
| 22:08.02 | Fisker- | it had to sound cool Polarina |
| 22:09.00 | Fisker- | anyways that's kind of the thing that was annoying with battle.net |
| 22:09.08 | Fisker- | kept getting my keys lost, my accounts deleted and what not |
| 22:09.15 | Fisker- | Need single-signon please |
| 22:09.16 | Fisker- | :< |
| 22:09.23 | Fisker- | with keys associated |
| 22:09.27 | |Pixel| | wait and see |
| 22:09.27 | |Pixel| | :P |
| 22:09.48 | Fisker- | :( |
| 22:10.18 | |Pixel| | ha! |
| 22:10.23 | |Pixel| | can wait some time :) |
| 22:14.38 | Fisker- | btw |
| 22:15.46 | Fisker- | think i needs some sleepz |
| 22:16.04 | Fisker- | new futurama = win btw |
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| 22:29.37 | Hobinheim | happy thanksgiving everybody |
| 22:30.24 | Sandwichman2448 | Happy Thanksgiving to you too Hob! |
| 22:30.36 | Sky2042_afk | HOBINEHEIM!!! |
| 22:30.43 | Sky2042_afk | oh, skit |
| 22:31.24 | zeal | nn all |
| 22:31.33 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Upcoming Hunter changes - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/21/upcoming-hunter-changes/ |
| 22:38.46 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Officers&rcid=916027 ? |
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| 22:40.00 | Sky2042_afk | kill it. |
| 22:40.04 | Sky2042_afk | or... |
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| 23:03.32 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Shaman changes in 2.3.2 - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/21/shaman-changes-in-2-3-2/ |
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| 23:08.14 | Dotted | i want all my games on steam tbh |
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| 23:10.32 | Dotted | those i buy anyways |
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| 23:39.13 | Arcane_NH | is there a good place for a lvl 23 alliance hunter to tame a turtle? |
| 23:41.45 | Lukian | petopia |
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| 23:47.07 | Bagginsw | hmm for people who have played draenei what is the name of the draenei's holy light organization? |
| 23:47.27 | Bagginsw | I mean its equivalent to the Church of the HOly Light |
| 23:49.44 | pcj | hand of argus? |
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| 23:51.33 | Bagginsw | Ya I think that's it |
| 23:51.36 | Bagginsw | thanks |
| 23:56.02 | Bagginsw | ok so if hand of argus has more ties to the paladins, what about priests? |
| 23:58.28 | Bagginsw | Hand of Argus seems to be more the equivalent to the Silver Hand |