| 00:00.03 | Adys | levels -1 |
| 00:00.33 | foxlit | No, that last part |
| 00:00.33 | kd3 | that'd be a fun sight to see... though something tells me a level 30 zoning into naxx would aggro half the instance from the door |
| 00:00.56 | Adys | foxlit, what i meant is |
| 00:01.12 | foxlit | used_level = max(own_level, player_level + 3)? |
| 00:01.21 | Adys | a boss is always "as tough as a mob clvl+3" |
| 00:01.52 | Adys | but this clvl, which is the virtual level, is ignored if the real level of that boss (only known serverside) is superior to it |
| 00:02.13 | Kaso | kd3, proxim aggro doesnt scale *that* much |
| 00:02.26 | Adys | dont make me explain aggro proximities :( |
| 00:02.30 | Kaso | i had a level 1 in naxx on the ptr, went around killing grubs |
| 00:02.59 | kd3 | joke, joke... I know full well they wouldn't aggro the first pulls. |
| 00:03.10 | foxlit | It's capped, more likely :P |
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| 00:03.27 | Kaso | ha |
| 00:03.38 | Adys | captain serious is not happy |
| 00:03.40 | foxlit | REVENGE! |
| 00:03.47 | foxlit | I DEMAND VENGEANCE! |
| 00:04.01 | foxlit | kd3 is clearly a pacifist :) |
| 00:04.29 | kd3 | or tabbed out |
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| 00:04.35 | Adys | WOAH |
| 00:04.38 | Adys | i need to fix that bug |
| 00:04.48 | Adys | I just got a 1500 lines playback on rejoin |
| 00:04.55 | kd3 | ouch |
| 00:05.17 | Adys | anyhow, brb telling my lawyer |
| 00:10.51 | Adys | kd3: Where's the burning crusade downloader on the acct management page :/ |
| 00:10.55 | Adys | (us) |
| 00:11.14 | Adys | oh there it was, hidden |
| 00:11.57 | kd3 | below the buttons. account information box, account type |
| 00:12.41 | Adys | yeah |
| 00:12.53 | Adys | 1.18gb of something im too lazy to find on my hd |
| 00:13.03 | kd3 | yeowch |
| 00:13.55 | Adys | what? |
| 00:14.03 | Adys | the trial version is light now? |
| 00:14.16 | kd3 | it's a special streamed client iirc |
| 00:14.24 | Adys | wtf, since when? |
| 00:14.28 | Adys | The Streaming version of the World of Warcraft Client is intended for trial purposes only, as it streams large portions of the game world and other game data over your internet connection instead of loading data from your hard drive. |
| 00:14.36 | |Pixel| | ça fait un bout de temps |
| 00:14.38 | kd3 | couple of months? |
| 00:14.38 | |Pixel| | faut se réveiller |
| 00:14.44 | Adys | :/ |
| 00:14.47 | |Pixel| | elle est bien ta caverne ? |
| 00:14.54 | Adys | oui |
| 00:14.56 | |Pixel| | j'espère que t'as tout le confort dedans au moins |
| 00:14.59 | Adys | manque la tele mais a part ca oui |
| 00:15.25 | |Pixel| | et sinon à terme, il semble qu'il y ait des rumeurs pour que le client streaming passe en version "normale" |
| 00:15.41 | Adys | ooh? :o |
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| 00:15.49 | Adys | des rumeurs hein? |
| 00:15.57 | |Pixel| | wai |
| 00:16.25 | Adys | we're talking about wotlk features kd3 |
| 00:16.47 | Amarande | hmm, wonder how people install the game on a new computer now then |
| 00:17.01 | foxlit | Disk |
| 00:17.05 | foxlit | in CD drive |
| 00:17.10 | Amarande | not everyone bought the discs, foxlit :S |
| 00:17.22 | foxlit | You can't get WoW any other way |
| 00:17.25 | kd3 | you've still gotta install the full version to play the whole game |
| 00:17.32 | Adys | Amarande: they install it, patch it to 2.3, figure they forgot to install bc, install bc, download new patch, figure they downloaded the wrong locale |
| 00:17.36 | Adys | etc. |
| 00:17.52 | Adys | I do it like that at least |
| 00:17.54 | Amarande | actually, it used to be that the trial version was the full game |
| 00:18.09 | Amarande | what's ridiculous is that your account page gives you a link to download the BC upgrade patch, but not the base game it needs :) |
| 00:18.12 | Adys | yes thats why I was surprised its a streaming version now |
| 00:18.18 | Adys | eh? |
| 00:18.20 | Adys | doesnt here |
| 00:18.24 | Adys | https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/download_wow.html |
| 00:18.27 | Adys | didnt check EU |
| 00:19.05 | Adys | full client, bc upgrade, bc 2.0 upgrade |
| 00:19.20 | Amarande | are the trial people even going to be able to upgrade to the full client via download, or are they going to be told to visit a fine retailer? :| |
| 00:19.30 | Amarande | like "fine" is a good word for most retailers these days LOL |
| 00:19.35 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.46 | kd3 | ^ full client |
| 00:20.10 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.04 | |Pixel| | 01:17 <@foxlit> You can't get WoW any other way |
| 00:21.05 | |Pixel| | wrong |
| 00:21.18 | |Pixel| | okay |
| 00:21.18 | |Pixel| | haven't seen Adys's reply :P |
| 00:21.29 | |Pixel| | Adys: wai hein |
| 00:21.31 | |Pixel| | faut pas chercher |
| 00:21.32 | Kaso | wait..? Amarande, theres a difference between trial and full client? |
| 00:21.42 | Adys | kaso, its been a while |
| 00:21.43 | |Pixel| | Kaso: trial *streaming* client, yes |
| 00:21.46 | Adys | wake up dude. |
| 00:21.57 | Kaso | Streaming? what is this witchcraft |
| 00:21.57 | |Pixel| | Adys: genre |
| 00:22.04 | Adys | :D |
| 00:22.04 | |Pixel| | rawr |
| 00:22.23 | Adys | Kaso: Means they dont play wow, they watch youtube vids of others playing it |
| 00:22.39 | Kaso | ^_- |
| 00:23.52 | Adys | does the full client still accept trial accounts? |
| 00:23.59 | |Pixel| | yeah |
| 00:24.07 | Adys | hm |
| 00:24.15 | kd3 | ya. the download link you mentioned earlier recommended the full client for people on crappy connections |
| 00:24.28 | Adys | I dont suppose streaming client accepts full accounts :) |
| 00:24.46 | |Pixel| | Adys: ta phrase est bancale en anglais :P |
| 00:25.00 | Adys | je suis bancal en anglais |
| 00:25.10 | |Pixel| | c'est dommage ça |
| 00:25.20 | |Pixel| | enfin, j'ai compris ce que tu voulais dire, je pense |
| 00:25.25 | |Pixel| | et la réponse est "non" |
| 00:25.29 | Adys | bah :( |
| 00:25.51 | Adys | jvais ptet me prendre un trial account tiens. |
| 00:26.23 | Adys | ca me parait bien plein de trucs interessant le client en streaming :) |
| 00:26.39 | |Pixel| | j'avoue que ça m'a vaguement amusé |
| 00:27.01 | Fisker- | giev sleep :< |
| 00:27.05 | Adys | moui? :) |
| 00:27.14 | Fisker- | US has hax "as-you-play"-downloader :O |
| 00:27.18 | Amarande | Adys, you'd want to be on 100M fiber to stream as a full account :S |
| 00:27.25 | Fisker- | doesn't work :( |
| 00:27.35 | |Pixel| | Amarande: wrong :) |
| 00:27.50 | Adys | I dont see what the difference would be from trial to full account |
| 00:27.56 | Adys | apart maybe in dungeons and raids |
| 00:28.25 | |Pixel| | and remember the reason this streaming client is put in "trial" mode is just to do a kind of 'ptr' |
| 00:28.51 | Adys | ah ouais quand meme |
| 00:29.13 | |Pixel| | ah bah hé |
| 00:29.29 | |Pixel| | t'imagines pas à quel point ils m'ont fait chier avec ça quand ils l'ont lancé -.- |
| 00:29.41 | Adys | haha |
| 00:30.00 | |Pixel| | "ça marche paaaaaaaas" "gnuh? de quoi vous parlez ?" "le client streaming marche paaaaaaas!" "heu.... temps mort... *QUEL* client streaming?" |
| 00:30.04 | foxlit | Blizzard is clearly so sick of people messing with their file storage |
| 00:30.14 | foxlit | That they decided not to let any of it get on people's hard drives :P |
| 00:30.16 | Adys | rofl |
| 00:30.34 | Adys | and yea foxlit |
| 00:30.45 | foxlit | You want a model? Here's a model; you can save it over Warden's dead body |
| 00:30.49 | Adys | tho i can see both the secure part and the huge holes into it |
| 00:31.30 | foxlit | There aren't very many - and they'd be free to patch in expansion content without people realizing they're doing it |
| 00:31.59 | foxlit | My poor, poor mac |
| 00:32.11 | foxlit | wow+movie compression = fans are busy |
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| 00:40.44 | Amarande | Adys: REPAIRING DATA ARCHIVE! :) |
| 00:40.56 | Adys | hm? |
| 00:41.05 | Amarande | that's what happens to me about half the time I go to log onto GW, lol |
| 00:41.14 | Adys | oh |
| 00:41.16 | Amarande | actually, that's one thing I sometimes wish could be set as an automatic |
| 00:41.21 | Adys | i dont play gw |
| 00:41.21 | Amarande | for WoW, that is |
| 00:41.29 | Adys | i only check the contents out |
| 00:41.30 | Adys | :P |
| 00:41.35 | Amarande | an option to automatically check the WoW data files as you load, without having to run the repair separately |
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| 00:45.31 | Amarande | kd3: I meant, when you start the game, like GW does |
| 00:45.49 | Fisker- | kd3 ! |
| 00:45.52 | Fisker- | chicken soup did not work |
| 00:45.55 | Fisker- | i haet you |
| 00:46.02 | kd3 | you said you didn't have any of those |
| 00:46.10 | Fisker- | i didn't |
| 00:46.38 | Fisker- | So i didn't take any chicken soup |
| 00:46.40 | Fisker- | and it didn't work |
| 00:46.46 | sacarasc | Fisker-: try correcting kd3 with a bladed weapon, i have found it quite effective in getting people to hate me and stop giving me (bad) advice |
| 00:57.11 | Amarande | speaking of bladed weapons, why do Shadow Daggers show as +0 stats on the armory? |
| 00:57.14 | Amarande | at least the one I have does |
| 00:57.27 | Adys | link? |
| 00:57.38 | Amarande | In game, it says +17 stam, +11 int, +4mp5, +81 spell dmg |
| 00:57.58 | Amarande | armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Alvaerin |
| 00:58.05 | Amarande | (I've dinged 70 since, but haven't logged out since dinging lol) |
| 01:01.11 | foxlit | Random enchant |
| 01:01.19 | foxlit | You got the one of the Elder |
| 01:02.58 | Amarande | ahh, do most random enchant items not show up correctly on the armory? |
| 01:03.22 | Amarande | like I said, ingame I get those bonuses I noted, but on the armory they all appear as +0 except the spell dmg |
| 01:04.17 | foxlit | Not a clue, not a lot of those around me :( |
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| 03:03.48 | Amarande | so, what do you folks think of the apparent fact that Blizzard is pushing DPS casters further and further down the totem pole in arenas? |
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| 03:29.18 | Adys | Amarande: PvP is dead? :p |
| 03:29.41 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:29.47 | Amarande | didn't you say PvE was dead before? :S |
| 03:30.05 | Adys | yes, so? :) |
| 03:30.16 | Amarande | apparently, give it a few more months and arena will be like GW PvP |
| 03:30.27 | Amarande | where melee are the only true DPS and casters are all relegated to support roles |
| 03:31.10 | Adys | The game currently lives on a remake of pvp through arenas mostly, and a remake of pve through non hardcore "hardcore" content and overly easy "casual" content |
| 03:33.31 | Amarande | and apparently they think it a good thing if arenas degenerate into mainly a bash-and-slash |
| 03:38.10 | Amarande | of course, we really know who wins in this game |
| 03:38.15 | Amarande | whoever QQ's loudest on the blizzard boards :P |
| 03:41.10 | Amarande | agggghhh |
| 03:41.16 | Amarande | " I think the [BG suckage] issue started when too many horde came to realize they could get free honor off of BG's by going afk" |
| 03:41.27 | Amarande | since when were things horde's fault? I thought the little kids usually played alliance |
| 03:44.49 | Kaso | I love how the simple distinctions between whether you liked blue or red at the charater creation turns into such ideological hatered |
| 03:45.29 | Amarande | well, there's mature players on both sides, to be sure :) |
| 03:45.42 | Amarande | however, the players who are not, tend to choose Alliance more than Horde, as a generalism |
| 03:46.04 | Amarande | (this may however be because more players in general go alli ... lol) |
| 03:46.41 | Amarande | anyway, to get back to the State of Azeroth PvP: |
| 03:46.43 | Kaso | I think in the beginning that was fairly true, but now i believe the differences are mostly due to numbers, more alliance, more retards |
| 03:46.44 | Amarande | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103818472&sid=1 <--- thoughts? |
| 03:47.24 | Adys | Kaso: What differences :) |
| 03:47.35 | Adys | people just assume there is a difference |
| 03:48.06 | Amarande | unlike most blizzard board stuff, this message seems actually to look pretty cogent, sadly |
| 03:48.27 | Adys | Amarande: that message reminds me of a blog post |
| 03:48.57 | Adys | "Why _____ willl _____ the next _____" |
| 03:49.15 | Amarande | actually, it does agree with some things I've always thought WoW needs |
| 03:49.31 | Kaso | Perceved differences then, statistically h/a have the same amount of retards : |
| 03:49.51 | Amarande | basically boiling down to what in GW we called "warrior hate" (and even GW's lopsided favorance of warrior DPS was balanced to some considerable degree by warrior hate skills, while this is not as much the case in WoW) |
| 03:50.11 | Adys | nah kaso, peole just assume theres more retards in the alliance like people assume google is evil because they are a company |
| 03:50.17 | Adys | right Fisker- ? |
| 03:51.33 | Amarande | also in GW on this regard, one of the things they did better was that there were some actual balance checks on the ability to remove caster buffs/debuffs easily |
| 03:52.26 | Amarande | there is a definite problem in that caster anything = oops did I just cast a simple instant cast dispel that has only the GCD and a small mana cost? |
| 03:52.46 | Amarande | while warrior anything = oops sorry, you're stuck with that weakness for the fixed duration |
| 03:53.35 | Amarande | also melee classes have all those "and disables any spell of the same school for _____ seconds" goodies |
| 03:54.05 | Amarande | meanwhile, casters don't have the same for melee, nor does the swing timer ever suffer from pushback. aren't these organic flaws in the system? |
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| 03:59.07 | Amarande | Not that GW was lacking in its own overpowered healer spells to help kick offensive casters down heh |
| 03:59.18 | Kaso | I wholehartedly agree with pushback |
| 03:59.51 | Amarande | GW has nice fun things like http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Divert_Hexes , which I personally always wanted to rename "Aw Hon Everything Will Be Okay" |
| 03:59.54 | Kaso | It's always bugged me how melee doesnt lose any dps from taking damage (hell warrors even gain dps) where as casters come to an almost stop |
| 04:01.15 | Amarande | (For those unfamiliar with GW, the 'base' max health in PvP is 480, so those numbers aren't as small as they look ... plus Monks get an attribute called Divine Favor that gives them bonus healing on every spell they cast on a friendly, even if that spell didn't normally have healing as an effect) |
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| 04:02.11 | Amarande | Indeed. At least in Guild Wars, there was no pushback, and many interrupt skills didn't disable ... though there were a lot more interrupt skills as well, and a lot of times an interrupted spell was put on its cooldown anyway |
| 04:02.58 | Amarande | (and cooldowns in GW are normally several times longer than in WoW) |
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| 04:03.54 | Adys | FUCK INNATTENTIVE DEVS GAHHH |
| 04:04.28 | Amarande | It starts to seem as if the devs actually think arenas are better as swordfests than with lots of casting |
| 04:04.28 | PanSola | heh, nice to see someone familiar with GW here doing comparisons (-: |
| 04:04.28 | Adys | when an application's window warning starts off half off the screen, it's annoying |
| 04:04.50 | Adys | when an application's window warning starts off half 1px off the screen, but right where you need it inside of it, GAHHAHHHHHHH |
| 04:05.08 | Adys | right that might not be very clear but I just had to rant |
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| 04:06.02 | Amarande | however, the guy has the right of it when it comes to warrior+support vs. mage+support |
| 04:06.16 | Amarande | what happens is that the supports equal each other AND THE MAGE |
| 04:07.17 | Amarande | it's like a chess-board where each player's got say four real (not pawns) pieces around, one player is able to hold all 4 of his opponents' pieces with 3 of theirs and the other piece is free to be a wrecking ball |
| 04:08.33 | Amarande | and yes, -X armor doesn't scale right either |
| 04:08.48 | Amarande | I found that one out the hard way while trying to do that damned quest up at Quel'Lithien lodge in EPL |
| 04:09.17 | Kaso | I dont understand the reasoning behind havings such small hp values, 4800, 48000, sound much cooler than 480, plus they allow you more grainuality with effects, with 480 the smallest change you can have is 0.21% with 48000 you can go down to 0.0021% |
| 04:09.38 | PanSola | Kaso: and 480000000000 sound much cooler than whatever WoW's norm is |
| 04:10.00 | sacarasc | 48*10^103! |
| 04:10.18 | PanSola | and you can get down to 0.0000000000021% |
| 04:10.44 | Kaso | of course theres a sensible limit, but i think in the thousands range "feels" right |
| 04:10.46 | PanSola | so let's ask Blizzard to increase teh HP max |
| 04:10.58 | Amarande | I don't think there is a HP max heh |
| 04:10.59 | Adys | kaso, often in games health values are designed by how long the betas are |
| 04:11.01 | Adys | look at wow |
| 04:11.28 | Adys | at max lvl during early betas youd have 1000hp and you were a god :) |
| 04:11.41 | Adys | then they dont have any reason to downrank these values |
| 04:12.05 | PanSola | so basically WoW got HP inflation |
| 04:12.09 | Kaso | well yes and no, this isnt quite the same thing but i've recently being doing some programming with raw pixel drawing and have been getting pissed how the smallest i can draw is 1/1280 of screen width, which is the same sorta issue if you get what i means |
| 04:12.10 | PanSola | and level inflation |
| 04:12.18 | Adys | yeah |
| 04:12.49 | PanSola | heck, in Magic the Gathering, 20 HP players takes 30 minutes to kill |
| 04:13.04 | Kaso | can you do fractions of a hp? |
| 04:13.15 | Kaso | in damage/healing |
| 04:13.37 | PanSola | they get rounded. But graniularity below 1% just doesn't "feel right", to me at least |
| 04:13.46 | sacarasc | PanSola: 30 minutes can be a quick game (2 white healy decks can take hours ;o) |
| 04:13.50 | PanSola | 'lol |
| 04:13.53 | Amarande | heh |
| 04:13.59 | Amarande | I still remember the old Microprose Magic computer game |
| 04:14.05 | PanSola | white + green |
| 04:14.25 | PanSola | need a touch of blue to reload the library d-: |
| 04:14.30 | Amarande | at the end of one game I won, both me and computer had more life left than we started with |
| 04:14.35 | Amarande | I think it was me 74, computer 25 |
| 04:14.36 | PanSola | lol |
| 04:14.46 | sacarasc | though i've had a 3 player game where i won on the 4th turn |
| 04:14.56 | Kaso | until you star getting over 5 digits most users shouldnt have a problem dealing with those figures in short term memory, so imo you've got stuff to gain and not much to loose. |
| 04:15.07 | Amarande | as you may guess, the game ended when the computer decked |
| 04:15.29 | PanSola | hehehe |
| 04:16.05 | Amarande | It was a deadlock game. I had two of those enchants out that give you +1 life at (end of turn, was it? I forget, but every turn) for every card more than four in your hand |
| 04:16.09 | PanSola | Kaso: it's not a "memory" issue |
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| 04:16.16 | Amarande | and a number of Serra Angels on field, which were my strongest enemy |
| 04:16.20 | Amarande | er, strongest creature |
| 04:16.28 | PanSola | (-: |
| 04:16.28 | Kaso | What is it then? |
| 04:16.34 | Amarande | the computer had only 3/x and weaker creatures out, except for an Elder Land Wurm. |
| 04:16.44 | PanSola | Kaso: inflation |
| 04:16.58 | Amarande | both of us had artifact/white, with no creature removal, and you can tell what this situation leads to |
| 04:17.26 | Kaso | inflation isnt a problem in my mind as long as everything inflates at the same rate, the problem is when you have to start dealing with figures larger than you can properlly visualize |
| 04:17.38 | Kaso | You hit fred for 837494834 damage |
| 04:17.48 | PanSola | Kaso: if everyhting is inflating the same rate, might as well not bother with it in the first place |
| 04:18.00 | Amarande | yeah, I wonder what kind of damage raid bosses at level 80 will do :S |
| 04:18.24 | Amarande | not to mention HP ... |
| 04:18.40 | Amarande | I mean, let's take a typical mid-boss from a difficult classic raid dungeon. How about Grand Widow Faerlina? |
| 04:18.54 | Kaso | except the grainuality benifits you get from having the higher figures, which brings us back to my opinion that it isnt a problem until you start getting to sizes you cant deal with them easil in memory |
| 04:18.55 | sacarasc | Hojimachong: only 452million? |
| 04:19.06 | Kaso | Faerlina is an awesome fight |
| 04:19.12 | PanSola | well my point is the grainularity is pointless |
| 04:19.13 | Hojimachong | ye |
| 04:19.15 | Hojimachong | yes* |
| 04:19.16 | PanSola | my *other* point |
| 04:19.26 | PanSola | too fine a grainularity has no benefits |
| 04:19.45 | sacarasc | never been to Naxx ;( |
| 04:19.47 | Amarande | She had 1.5M HP, big attack is Rain of Fire which is 8k over the four ticks. |
| 04:19.56 | Kaso | i wouldnt say its entirely pointless, but ill agree that too much is no benefit |
| 04:20.01 | Kaso | i remeber the first time we killed her i was MCing and my vent broke, did it though macro spams |
| 04:20.02 | Amarande | now, let's compare a mid-boss in BC |
| 04:20.16 | Amarande | I suppose if we used Naxx for a reference point in classic I'm going to have to use BT here |
| 04:20.38 | PanSola | Kaso: anotehr factor that is probalby peculiar in GW is degeneration/regeneration |
| 04:20.42 | Hojimachong | so Illidan and his puny 6.8 Mil... bah! |
| 04:20.48 | PanSola | which is capped at plus/minus 20 health per second |
| 04:20.58 | PanSola | having the max too high makes it pointless |
| 04:21.07 | Amarande | ok, how about Teron Gorefiend |
| 04:21.08 | PanSola | makes degen a non-viable tactic |
| 04:21.36 | Kaso | well hopefully in a well designed world that cap would inflate at the same rate as max hp |
| 04:22.02 | PanSola | inflation is just about the worst thing to use as a soltuion to problems >_> |
| 04:22.27 | PanSola | you are making it sound like "Oohhh~ pretty big numbers" |
| 04:22.40 | Amarande | now the raid boss has 4.1M HP, now the DoT does about 3k *initial* damage in addition to four seconds totalling 10k+ ... |
| 04:22.43 | PanSola | which lowers the general preception of the intelligence of players )-: |
| 04:22.51 | Amarande | wonder what level 80 raid bosses will do |
| 04:22.58 | Amarande | or even KJ, for that matter |
| 04:23.20 | *** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@adsl-99-148-214-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:23.20 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
| 04:23.24 | Amarande | has KJ been reached yet on the PTR? |
| 04:23.30 | Hojimachong | nope |
| 04:23.32 | Kaso | i think a point which we can both agree on is that too low order of magnitude is bad, too high too bad. And i personally feel the "sweet spot" fits around the 1000s range. |
| 04:23.50 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, reverted your ambox change |
| 04:23.51 | Amarande | also to note about GW, btw |
| 04:24.15 | Amarande | is that more stuff revolves around the degen mechanic than first meets the eye |
| 04:24.25 | Kirkburn | It's supposed to be page wide, your change made it left-align |
| 04:24.43 | Amarande | almost everything that would be a DoT in WoW is degen in GW, so yeah, that low max is quite important |
| 04:24.45 | Kaso | is degen significantly different from dot mechanic? |
| 04:25.15 | Amarande | Kaso: in certain ways |
| 04:25.25 | Amarande | mainly how multiple DoTs stack |
| 04:25.35 | Amarande | in WoW you have separate DoTs that each deal their separate ticks |
| 04:25.44 | Amarande | in GW, most things, like I said, that would be DoTs do degen instead |
| 04:26.09 | Amarande | and all the degen from things affecting a player or mob is -added-, all that counts is the capped total |
| 04:26.35 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, it is not supposed to go next to tooltips |
| 04:26.36 | Amarande | also things that would be HoTs, conversely are regen. |
| 04:27.08 | Amarande | and instead of having to worry about the relative timing of HoT and DoT ticks in tight situations, degen and regen cancel on a one to one basis |
| 04:27.20 | Adys | kirkzor |
| 04:27.31 | Kirkburn | Adys, yo |
| 04:27.34 | Amarande | you give something a heal that gives +5 regen and they're poisoned (which is -4 degen), it's no different from any other +1 regen situation |
| 04:27.39 | Kirkburn | I'm back near San Fran now |
| 04:27.46 | Adys | woot |
| 04:27.47 | Hojimachong | how was Austin? |
| 04:27.54 | Kirkburn | Slightly crappy hotel room, but free net :P |
| 04:27.58 | Kirkburn | Hojimachong, awesome |
| 04:28.05 | Amarande | Wish I had a laptop to take advantage of net when I travel :S |
| 04:28.13 | Hojimachong | good to hear |
| 04:28.13 | Kirkburn | (omg, I've not been to RW in a while o_O ) |
| 04:28.14 | PanSola | KB: why are you coming back to SF instead of just going straight home? |
| 04:28.18 | Adys | Wish I had a laptop |
| 04:28.22 | Kirkburn | PanSola, I'm in the office this week |
| 04:28.27 | Adys | a decent one :( |
| 04:28.31 | Amarande | Kirkburn: speaking of tooltips, any idea why I consistently have issues with them, especially when there's more than one near each other on a page? |
| 04:28.32 | PanSola | welcome back to the internet btw |
| 04:28.41 | Kirkburn | Hojimachong, SXSW was really cool, though having reports about me on the net is .... new |
| 04:28.51 | Kirkburn | Amarande, in what way? |
| 04:28.52 | Hojimachong | I can imagine! |
| 04:28.53 | Kirkburn | PanSola, :D |
| 04:28.57 | Hojimachong | well, not really |
| 04:29.01 | Amarande | I fairly often have problems where I mouse over a tooltip and get the wrong item's info, or I just get "Error, this wasn't meant to have a tooltip yadda" |
| 04:29.13 | Kirkburn | Amarande, ooh, something for pcj_2 there :) |
| 04:29.26 | Amarande | usually happens if I'm trying to browse more than one tooltip on a list page, like what a quartermaster has to offer |
| 04:29.26 | Kirkburn | It's a caching thing |
| 04:29.27 | Hojimachong | it happens in the Armory as well... odd |
| 04:29.39 | Adys | pcj_2 is avoiding work |
| 04:29.44 | pcj | raiding atm |
| 04:29.46 | Kirkburn | Hojimachong, good to see you hear btw |
| 04:29.53 | Amarande | is it a "this site is designed for IE and Firefox may not work as well" sort of thing? |
| 04:29.56 | Hojimachong | Kurkburn: Thank you, glad to be here |
| 04:29.57 | Amarande | or is it not browser related? |
| 04:30.13 | Adys | No its mediawiki sucking to be fair |
| 04:30.17 | Kirkburn | PanSola, will I see you in the office? |
| 04:30.31 | Kirkburn | Dunno which day(s) you're in |
| 04:31.35 | PanSola | Mon Thu |
| 04:32.16 | Kirkburn | Then I shall see you again thursday :) |
| 04:32.27 | Kirkburn | Flight home on sat |
| 04:32.35 | PanSola | (-: |
| 04:32.48 | PanSola | I think you left some headphones in the hotel. I gave them to Sannse |
| 04:34.18 | Kirkburn | Oh, thanks |
| 04:34.48 | Amarande | Wish people looked after my stuff like that |
| 04:35.02 | Amarande | Last time I traveled long distance was when I went to Dragon*Con and I managed to lose my digital camera :S |
| 04:35.07 | Kirkburn | We need a {{welcome}} bot btw |
| 04:35.11 | PanSola | I didn't look over it. It was piled on top of my luggage so I gotta move it out of the way d-: |
| 04:35.27 | PanSola | *look after* |
| 04:36.00 | Kirkburn | I have so far only lost my Creative Zen's pouch (somehow) |
| 04:36.31 | Kirkburn | Yay that the ZCP project is nearly done :) |
| 04:36.58 | Amarande | on the good side |
| 04:37.10 | Amarande | I now have a 10.1 mp camera and would only have had a 7.2 if I had not lost the old one |
| 04:37.36 | Kirkburn | o_O ... that's a lot |
| 04:37.43 | Kirkburn | Apparently I need a new camera |
| 04:37.46 | Amarande | yeah, this one I gotta be careful with |
| 04:37.51 | Amarande | if I take a shot that includes my computer screen |
| 04:37.54 | Amarande | you can read what's on it :S |
| 04:39.12 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 04:40.48 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Bibi] by ChanServ |
| 04:40.50 | Adys | DIE JPG DIE AAH |
| 04:40.54 | Adys | DIE BIBI DIE |
| 04:40.59 | Hojimachong | lore/meta-game question |
| 04:41.13 | Kirkburn | Hojimachong, sup? |
| 04:41.30 | Bibi | stfu Adys |
| 04:41.31 | Hojimachong | If Sargeras is ever a boss, how will he be weakened enough for a raid to stand a chance? |
| 04:41.41 | Hojimachong | like, will he be possessed in a body again? |
| 04:42.04 | Amarande | *shrug* I'd imagine Sargeras would be a final-final raid boss added very late in WOTLK anyway |
| 04:42.05 | Adys | He will be weakened in all of blizzard's style and glory |
| 04:42.09 | Adys | NERFBAAATTTT |
| 04:42.10 | Amarande | like how Kil'Jaeden was added in BC |
| 04:42.27 | Adys | More seriously, they always come up with excuses to weaken gods |
| 04:42.30 | sacarasc | it's still "will be added" really ;p |
| 04:42.30 | Amarande | after all, they seem to have a rank relationship like that, going by the Aldor turnin items |
| 04:42.31 | Hojimachong | Sargeras has to be the final-final raid boss, if he's ever implemented |
| 04:42.51 | Amarande | *washes mouth out with soap, since I'm a Scryer* |
| 04:43.31 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: no, it's not. but it's broken inline. period. there's no reason for it to appear broken. |
| 04:43.45 | Amarande | But probably, he'll be a level 80 raid boss who will be seen by one or two guilds per server and then forgotten. |
| 04:43.48 | Amarande | Like Kil'Jaeden. |
| 04:44.05 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, don't put it inline is the simple fix :) |
| 04:44.09 | Sky2042 | -_- |
| 04:44.09 | sacarasc | you think that many people will get to him, Amarande? |
| 04:44.15 | pcj | error this wasn't meant to have a tooltip isn't a bug in the code itself, merely someone did the {{loot}} tag wrong |
| 04:44.17 | Sky2042 | and all the laurlybot tags which are inline? |
| 04:44.23 | Hojimachong | well, when WotLK comes out, I'm sure people will still want to cut their teeth vs. Illidan and KJ |
| 04:44.34 | Hojimachong | sort of like Kel'Thuzad isn't *totally* forgotten |
| 04:44.38 | Sky2042 | not to mention, {{Stub/Strat}} |
| 04:44.44 | Kirkburn | They aren't supposed to be, and ... well ... can someone make sure laurlybot doesn't do it more? :) |
| 04:45.08 | Kirkburn | Section stubs are mostly redundant |
| 04:45.14 | Amarande | sacarasc, I know Fusion is already getting in gear to go to Sunwell as soon as it's out ... they're apparently getting their practice in on the PTR as well |
| 04:45.29 | Sky2042 | jebus... |
| 04:45.33 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, the problem with your change is that it meant they weren't all constant width |
| 04:45.40 | Sky2042 | oh? |
| 04:45.50 | Kirkburn | They reduced to the width of whatever was in the box |
| 04:45.50 | Amarande | maybe it's just because I'm on Turalyon, but I tend to give Fusion the sort of regard I'd give Nihilum if I was EU |
| 04:46.05 | Sky2042 | hrm |
| 04:46.24 | Kirkburn | It was a nice try but :( |
| 04:46.38 | Amarande | actually, is there any official yardstick on who the "best" guild in the US is right now? |
| 04:46.44 | Sky2042 | setting div to 100% would do itl. |
| 04:46.46 | Sky2042 | no? |
| 04:46.58 | Kirkburn | 100% width? |
| 04:47.05 | Sky2042 | aye |
| 04:47.16 | Kirkburn | Hmm, don't think it'd look that great |
| 04:47.34 | Kirkburn | They need to be obviously different to article content |
| 04:47.38 | Sky2042 | eh? ambox has a div in it... |
| 04:47.59 | Sky2042 | aw nuts, unbuffed blink |
| 04:48.09 | Kirkburn | Unbuffed? |
| 04:48.15 | Sky2042 | might aas well make it an even20% blizz. nice numbers, ftw! |
| 04:48.22 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 04:48.23 | Sky2042 | Mage |
| 04:48.24 | Sky2042 | - Blink mana cost changed, it's now 21% of base Mana instead of 28% (live). (It was 15% of base mana in the previous build) |
| 04:48.27 | Kirkburn | 15% to 21%? |
| 04:48.37 | Kirkburn | 28% o_O |
| 04:48.58 | Sky2042 | base mana. somewhere in the realm of 600 per blink. |
| 04:49.01 | Kirkburn | It's seriously 28% on live? |
| 04:49.02 | Sky2042 | on live. |
| 04:49.20 | Sky2042 | base mana, note. |
| 04:49.26 | Kirkburn | Aye, but still |
| 04:49.35 | Kirkburn | That's mean base mana is <2k |
| 04:49.43 | Sky2042 | ? |
| 04:49.51 | Kaso | base mana is really tiny |
| 04:49.54 | Sky2042 | base mana for mages is somewhere in the realm of 4.5k |
| 04:49.58 | Sky2042 | at 70 |
| 04:50.07 | Sky2042 | iirc |
| 04:50.07 | Kirkburn | 600 at 28% --> 100% is ~2k |
| 04:50.09 | Sky2042 | :x |
| 04:50.17 | Sky2042 | huh |
| 04:50.18 | Sky2042 | no |
| 04:50.20 | Sky2042 | hm |
| 04:50.21 | kd3 | whee, the quickest assault block ever |
| 04:50.31 | kd3 | ~30 seconds |
| 04:50.32 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, :P |
| 04:50.42 | Sky2042 | "eh" |
| 04:50.44 | Adys | ive been quicker kd3! |
| 04:50.46 | Adys | HAH |
| 04:51.00 | Kirkburn | Hojimachong, sorry totally missed your question - I hope so |
| 04:51.20 | Hojimachong | it's all good |
| 04:51.29 | Kirkburn | Since there will be a fair amount of time for people to go there, it should be far more of the pop % than got to Naxx |
| 04:51.48 | Hojimachong | I'm reading about the changes to Blink... |
| 04:51.49 | Kirkburn | (and since it's a bit of a shower of epix now too) |
| 04:52.23 | Adys | kd3: what if you noinclude all of this? |
| 04:52.30 | Adys | it should still protect them |
| 04:52.40 | Kirkburn | I read an interesting theory that they're also doing it so they the item stat bump in WotLK won't be as obvious |
| 04:52.59 | Amarande | or perhaps that they won't need to make WotLK greens be better than top BC epics? |
| 04:53.03 | kd3 | sky tried includeonly'ing once and quickly reverted it according to the page history |
| 04:53.09 | Sky2042 | ? |
| 04:53.12 | Amarande | and can actually let us use our BC epics till, oh, at least maybe the first instance? :) |
| 04:53.14 | Sky2042 | oh |
| 04:53.20 | Sky2042 | yeah, doesn't work if it's includeonly :( |
| 04:54.11 | Adys | Kirkburn: http://wow.mmolecule.com/news/news.mmo?id=bd30ff82-f1ce-4986-ac11-1447df561c9b |
| 04:54.11 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: hmm |
| 04:55.02 | Kirkburn | Amarande, yeah, same line of thought |
| 04:55.49 | Kirkburn | I personally will feel the stat bump, being non-epix person, but since most 70s will be, they'll won't notice it |
| 04:56.11 | Sky2042 | ah, Kirkburn, it's an issue with how you copied the code. |
| 04:56.14 | Sky2042 | gg |
| 04:56.17 | Kirkburn | Adys, in time honoured Fiskerdin fashion: ooooooooold! |
| 04:56.28 | Adys | old, but fitting |
| 04:56.32 | Adys | I know its old you silly :P |
| 04:56.36 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 04:56.54 | Kirkburn | Doesn't ever stop Fisker- :/ |
| 04:56.55 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, ? |
| 04:57.17 | Sky2042 | wikipedia has a second bit of code to force the ambox to the desired width. |
| 04:57.31 | Kirkburn | linky linky |
| 04:57.31 | Sky2042 | css* |
| 04:57.36 | Sky2042 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css |
| 04:57.43 | Sky2042 | ctrl f ambox |
| 04:57.52 | PanSola | KB: get on skype will ya? d-: |
| 04:57.58 | Sky2042 | the one right underneath the initial class definition. |
| 04:57.59 | Adys | kirk stop fiddling with sky's porn and watch my openwdb |
| 04:58.07 | PanSola | lol |
| 04:58.09 | Sky2042 | pr0n > openwdb |
| 04:58.31 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, ah yeah ... if you wanna test it, try a sandbox though? :) |
| 04:58.38 | Sky2042 | nahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:58.40 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 04:58.57 | Sky2042 | i'll have to figure out how to deal with your improvised css xD |
| 04:59.08 | Kirkburn | Not sure if it was because I simplified their code, or because theirs changed |
| 04:59.31 | Kirkburn | PanSola, rawr |
| 05:00.00 | Adys | leave me him wtf :( |
| 05:00.17 | Adys | Ive been trying to get hold of this so i can continue since ages ! |
| 05:00.28 | Adys | U KIRK SLAVE CHECK PLZ NOW |
| 05:00.34 | Kirkburn | Hojimachong, I see Andy is as insane (if not more so) as ever |
| 05:00.45 | Sky2042 | save teh Kirkburn! |
| 05:00.45 | Hojimachong | you have no idea |
| 05:00.53 | Hojimachong | check out the card game we made based on Magic the Gathering |
| 05:00.57 | Hojimachong | using CP characters |
| 05:00.59 | Kirkburn | Adys - no :P |
| 05:01.05 | Kirkburn | Hojimachong, ooh, linky linky |
| 05:01.09 | Adys | Im waiting >< |
| 05:01.20 | Kirkburn | I'm tired :( |
| 05:01.25 | Hojimachong | http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Conservapedia:Liberals:_The_Garnering |
| 05:01.26 | Sky2042 | l2sleep |
| 05:01.33 | Hojimachong | l2drinkcoffee |
| 05:02.14 | Kirkburn | 11 hour flight, several Wikia all day meetings, another several hour flight, several hour drive, exhibition, exhibition, another flight, another flight, another drive ... collapse |
| 05:02.26 | Adys | thats nothing |
| 05:02.35 | Adys | ive been lying in bed at least since yesterday |
| 05:02.36 | Kirkburn | Yeah, well, alcohol doesn't help too :P |
| 05:02.37 | Adys | Im tired of it |
| 05:02.39 | Sky2042 | weakling |
| 05:02.42 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 05:03.56 | Amarande | Last time I had alcohol was a big double-shot or so of Don Julio in memory of Gary Gygax last week |
| 05:06.28 | Hojimachong | yesss.... I won my CyberNations battle |
| 05:06.43 | Sky2042 | ack. zarnks found my page |
| 05:06.58 | Sky2042 | congrats Hojimachong! what's your pop? |
| 05:07.06 | Hojimachong | erm... 4000? |
| 05:07.12 | Hojimachong | lowbie tech raids FTW! |
| 05:07.13 | Sky2042 | o_o |
| 05:07.18 | Sky2042 | so small xD |
| 05:07.31 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, you must be so pleased :P |
| 05:07.41 | Hojimachong | foreign aid pl0x??Z??!142? |
| 05:07.43 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: by no means... |
| 05:07.50 | *** join/#wowwiki Cairen1 (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 05:07.50 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Cairen1] by ChanServ |
| 05:07.57 | Hojimachong | what alliance are you in, Sky? |
| 05:08.01 | Sky2042 | Hojimachong: i haven't touched the game in what must be at least 3 or 4 years |
| 05:08.03 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 05:08.08 | Hojimachong | lol |
| 05:08.19 | Sky2042 | i think i popped a half billion |
| 05:08.23 | Sky2042 | pop |
| 05:08.51 | Hojimachong | you don't play anymore? |
| 05:08.54 | Sky2042 | but things got repetitive, so i put it down |
| 05:08.56 | Sky2042 | aye |
| 05:09.11 | Hojimachong | and you haven't gotten rid of your nations technology, soldiers, money, etc. yet? |
| 05:09.30 | Sky2042 | mm? |
| 05:09.34 | Hojimachong | 0_o |
| 05:09.37 | Hojimachong | interesting |
| 05:09.46 | Sky2042 | oh my |
| 05:09.52 | Sky2042 | maybe i'm thinking of a diff game? |
| 05:09.54 | Sky2042 | xD |
| 05:10.05 | Hojimachong | probably NationStates? |
| 05:10.19 | Hojimachong | the more "political" of the nation simulation games |
| 05:10.56 | Sky2042 | ah yes, NS |
| 05:10.57 | Sky2042 | xD |
| 05:12.44 | Adys | browser games Hojimachong ? |
| 05:12.52 | Hojimachong | oh yeah |
| 05:12.58 | Adys | :D |
| 05:13.27 | Sky2042 | kd3: btw, nice catch on voldemort there. i was in a similar situation last night |
| 05:13.29 | Sky2042 | heh |
| 05:13.36 | Sky2042 | he got to about 5 contribs |
| 05:13.40 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:13.59 | kd3 | wtb the username blacklist finally showing up on the live wiki |
| 05:14.22 | Sky2042 | 1.12 apparently :[ |
| 05:14.35 | Adys | xml parsing |
| 05:14.39 | Adys | namespace locks |
| 05:14.41 | Adys | giev |
| 05:14.46 | Adys | and also, ajax subcats |
| 05:15.09 | Adys | and a faster connection :/ |
| 05:17.11 | Kaso | Hojimachong, i just looked up CyberNations and was immediately pissed off by the fake google map on the homepage |
| 05:17.27 | Hojimachong | I apologize |
| 05:17.35 | Hojimachong | It got me too... quite sneaky |
| 05:17.37 | Sky2042 | lol, so true. |
| 05:17.55 | Hojimachong | I just bombed three nations... I hope they don't attack back |
| 05:17.59 | Kaso | cos first time i clicked it flipped to the next in the slide-show so i though i just miss-clicked |
| 05:18.02 | Hojimachong | oh, that's right, I KILLED ALL THEIR SOLDIERS |
| 05:18.12 | Hojimachong | bombs FTW |
| 05:19.33 | Kirkburn | For 1.12 etc, give the tech team a bit of time to get back into the swing of things |
| 05:19.36 | Amarande | thoughts from Netherstorm |
| 05:19.47 | Amarande | Do you want a normal bag full of angry blood elves, or a ziploc bag full of angry blood elves? :) |
| 05:19.55 | Kirkburn | There's always beta.wowwiki.com :P |
| 05:20.38 | Kirkburn | Hojimachong, fun card game |
| 05:20.46 | Hojimachong | thanks Kirkburn! |
| 05:20.50 | Kirkburn | I should play M:TG again sometime |
| 05:25.31 | Adys | kirkburn |
| 05:25.36 | Adys | when are we getting svg support |
| 05:25.43 | Hojimachong | g'night WoWWikians |
| 05:25.46 | *** part/#wowwiki Hojimachong (n=chatzill@c-71-197-210-237.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:26.07 | Kirkburn | Adys, does the rest if wikia support it? |
| 05:26.09 | Kirkburn | *of |
| 05:26.19 | Adys | *shrugs* |
| 05:26.30 | Adys | svg support would avoid us having ten thousand icons |
| 05:26.31 | Kirkburn | It wasn't rhetorical |
| 05:26.33 | Sky2042 | Adys: yes. |
| 05:26.39 | Amarande | I just walked through what I thought was a safe spot and instead got jumped by like 5 blood elves that chased me all the way to Area 52 :| |
| 05:26.42 | Sky2042 | 1.12 |
| 05:26.44 | Kirkburn | In that case, it'll come with the upgrade |
| 05:27.13 | Sky2042 | well, excuse me, MW had support for it in like, 1.7 or something, it just requires a setting serverside that TOR claims would break the wiki for a while. |
| 05:27.40 | Adys | sorry what? |
| 05:27.45 | Adys | oh |
| 05:27.48 | Adys | misread nvm |
| 05:28.42 | Adys | what's with the "You have no items on your watchlist" on beta.wowwiki.com? |
| 05:29.15 | Sky2042 | different account, technically. |
| 05:30.08 | Adys | kk |
| 05:30.32 | Sky2042 | permissions don't transfer either cause of it |
| 05:30.47 | Adys | oh right, its a totally different wiki |
| 05:30.55 | Sky2042 | uh huh |
| 05:31.21 | Sky2042 | which concerns me, oh mighty Kirkburn, as I fear what happened to SmashWiki's merge might happen to us :o |
| 05:32.10 | Kirkburn | What's that? |
| 05:32.45 | Kirkburn | Adys, only the user database is different (it's unmerged) |
| 05:32.47 | Sky2042 | well, people with account from SmashWiki's watchlists disappeared. |
| 05:33.02 | Adys | Kirkburn: http://beta.wowwiki.com/User:Adys |
| 05:33.06 | Adys | Kirkburn: http://wowwiki.com/User:Adys |
| 05:33.13 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, ouch |
| 05:33.26 | Kirkburn | Was that a known/reported issue? |
| 05:33.29 | Kirkburn | Adys? |
| 05:33.30 | Sky2042 | i had nothing on mine, so I was fine... others? not so lucky |
| 05:33.37 | Adys | Kirkburn: different page |
| 05:33.40 | Sky2042 | it was reported; tor claimed to have fixed it :/ |
| 05:33.55 | Kirkburn | Well yeah, that's an older copy of the database |
| 05:34.11 | Adys | yeah |
| 05:34.12 | Amarande | ok, I hate mobs that are immune to drain life with a passion ... :S |
| 05:34.13 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, I'll check it out |
| 05:34.16 | Adys | thats what i was saying :P |
| 05:34.18 | Adys | different wiki |
| 05:34.23 | Amarande | especially when they are also immune to fear |
| 05:34.29 | Sky2042 | which is why i'm bringing it up adys :P |
| 05:34.39 | Kirkburn | Adys, well, yeah, only for the purposes of testing |
| 05:34.54 | Adys | aye i just thought at first it was the same wiki with different ui |
| 05:34.58 | Kirkburn | Images are shared though |
| 05:35.24 | Kirkburn | (seeing as we have way way way way way way way too many to spend time copying) |
| 05:35.39 | Adys | see, if we had svg support you'd have less to copy |
| 05:35.46 | Sky2042 | Adys: why exactly? |
| 05:35.46 | Adys | kirky when do we get a pretty searchbox :P |
| 05:35.51 | Adys | http://wowace.com |
| 05:35.57 | Amarande | speaking of images |
| 05:35.58 | Kirkburn | When the upgrade and skin gets done |
| 05:36.10 | Amarande | anyone know how to make a perl script that takes a bunch of images and glues them together into a bigger one? |
| 05:36.13 | Kirkburn | Adys, aren't you seeing the beta site in the monaco skin? |
| 05:36.21 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: no. |
| 05:36.23 | Adys | monaco? |
| 05:36.36 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: one of the staffers deleted the admin-skin |
| 05:36.38 | Adys | Im seeing it in the ever so good and pretty wowwiki regular skin |
| 05:36.55 | Kirkburn | o_O |
| 05:37.12 | Adys | Sky2042: Svg uses paths to create images, not pixels |
| 05:37.16 | Kirkburn | Oh, Emil |
| 05:37.17 | Adys | so you can resize them |
| 05:37.37 | Adys | without having garbage or artifacts |
| 05:37.44 | Kirkburn | Set your skin to Monaco gaming |
| 05:37.45 | Sky2042 | ok... still doesn't tell me why we need fewer? |
| 05:37.49 | Kirkburn | I just reset it to that as the default |
| 05:37.52 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 05:37.53 | Adys | uhm |
| 05:38.07 | Adys | all the -22px -24px 48px 16px etc? |
| 05:38.12 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: can you fix the .css |
| 05:38.13 | Adys | they'd get replaced eh |
| 05:38.34 | Sky2042 | Adys: ok. don't forget, someone has to go around and convert all the images to svg too... how many icons are there? |
| 05:38.50 | Adys | Kirkburn: tell me we are not keeping that skin |
| 05:38.56 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 05:39.05 | Kirkburn | Makes me wonder why I bother writing anything about the beta site |
| 05:39.13 | Kirkburn | Adys, check the VP |
| 05:39.17 | Adys | theres a beta site? |
| 05:39.21 | Kirkburn | It wouldn't reduce the size of the image database, seeing as old images aren't deleted |
| 05:39.23 | Sky2042 | that is the beta site ;_; |
| 05:39.32 | Adys | i know i was just kidding |
| 05:39.39 | Adys | Kirkburn: why? we cant restore them |
| 05:39.50 | Kirkburn | Doesn't mean they aren't there |
| 05:39.57 | Adys | yeah |
| 05:40.00 | Sky2042 | i found it... |
| 05:40.02 | Adys | but why not make them get really deleted |
| 05:40.09 | Kirkburn | In 1.12 you can restore them |
| 05:40.16 | *** join/#wowwiki bastian (n=chatzill@adsl-70-231-145-188.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:40.28 | Adys | what for :P |
| 05:40.31 | Kirkburn | Well, it's *possible* they do get deleted from the server, but I doubt it |
| 05:40.52 | Kirkburn | Emil is a techie btw |
| 05:40.57 | Adys | cant find anything about the beta site in the vp kirk |
| 05:41.06 | Sky2042 | that's... rather sad adys. |
| 05:41.17 | Sky2042 | ctrl f beta should do it ;( |
| 05:41.32 | Adys | did you try? |
| 05:41.37 | Adys | http://beta.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump |
| 05:41.45 | *** part/#wowwiki arkanemancer (n=chatzill@adsl-70-231-145-188.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:41.49 | Sky2042 | wrong wowwiki? |
| 05:41.51 | Sky2042 | -_- |
| 05:42.06 | Adys | precise :| |
| 05:42.20 | Kirkburn | The monaco gaming skin - http://beta.wowwiki.com/Main_Page?useskin=monaco&usetheme=gaming |
| 05:42.29 | Kirkburn | Dude, why would I announce the beta wiki on the beta wiki? :P |
| 05:42.41 | Sky2042 | nrrrrr |
| 05:42.44 | Adys | thats alot leeter no? |
| 05:43.09 | Kirkburn | Check out the menu system? |
| 05:43.16 | PanSola | KB: for the irony? |
| 05:43.30 | Kirkburn | The code was revamped a few days back to improve the speed too :) |
| 05:43.32 | Adys | aye kirk looks good, id reduce the font size personally |
| 05:43.35 | Kirkburn | PanSola, heh |
| 05:44.07 | Adys | (but seriously, why do these colors even exist?) |
| 05:44.41 | Kirkburn | Why do we have an inverted skin? |
| 05:44.41 | Adys | last few thing |
| 05:44.52 | Adys | rate this article, share this article |
| 05:44.58 | Adys | you KNOW what I think of that right? |
| 05:44.58 | Amarande | you mean we might have a wowwiki that doesn't say Fusion is still in Blackwing Lair? :) |
| 05:45.03 | Kirkburn | http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page <-- that's a fully developed skin |
| 05:45.55 | Kirkburn | Adys, I think you can shush and deal with it? |
| 05:46.09 | Adys | you want criticism or not? |
| 05:46.33 | Kirkburn | It helps if it's constructive? :) |
| 05:46.44 | Kirkburn | This is a Wikia wide thing btw |
| 05:46.56 | Adys | Yeah i noticed |
| 05:47.14 | Kirkburn | What's wrong with having the links? |
| 05:47.14 | Adys | any way not to put all this under the article anyway? :/ |
| 05:47.21 | Adys | like have it in the sidebar |
| 05:48.07 | Adys | Kirkburn: rating articles on a wiki is plain wrong, as for the whole "sharing" thing, meh - people using digg / su / del send it without having links telling them to do so |
| 05:48.24 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: is register edit required on beta?... |
| 05:48.32 | Sky2042 | oh wait, nvm |
| 05:48.32 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, yup |
| 05:48.34 | Sky2042 | -_- |
| 05:48.51 | Kirkburn | Adys, Wikia is for people of all abilities |
| 05:49.12 | Adys | yeah yeah, we already went through this ages ago : |
| 05:49.13 | Adys | :P |
| 05:49.22 | Adys | anyway, dont wanna put it at the sidebar? |
| 05:49.34 | Kirkburn | Not my call |
| 05:49.42 | Adys | in x1200 I dont even have half a sidebar up |
| 05:49.59 | Kirkburn | That's cause you're not using any widgets |
| 05:50.07 | Sky2042 | (ohgodwidgets) |
| 05:50.13 | Adys | i dont wanna hear a word more |
| 05:50.23 | Kirkburn | The widgets are pretty good now |
| 05:50.33 | Sky2042 | of decent use, yes. |
| 05:50.56 | Kirkburn | Problem reports is a useful one for admins |
| 05:51.07 | Adys | shout box...? |
| 05:51.11 | Sky2042 | yeah, and i have that on SW, even though I'm not an admin :P |
| 05:51.31 | Sky2042 | the recentchanges one is pretty useless, tbh |
| 05:51.48 | Kirkburn | Recent changes possibly, but the social tools Sitescout is better (realtime RC watching) |
| 05:51.57 | Sky2042 | realtime RC? |
| 05:52.06 | Sky2042 | point to where! |
| 05:52.13 | Adys | ajax epeeners :p |
| 05:52.21 | Adys | kirk, seriously, shoutbox? :| |
| 05:52.32 | Kirkburn | http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:SiteScout |
| 05:53.04 | Kirkburn | Adys, yes ... shoutbox |
| 05:53.23 | Adys | You know we got an IRC chan? |
| 05:53.32 | Kirkburn | You know not every wiki has one? |
| 05:53.41 | Adys | yeah, so? |
| 05:53.50 | Adys | Im not asking for wikia to remove the shoutbox from all their wikis |
| 05:54.02 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, allow me to use your -_- emoticon |
| 05:54.21 | Adys | Come on dont tell me its that hard to create an exception for one wiki. |
| 05:54.32 | Sky2042 | it sounds to me like Adys is scared of the 300 million unique page hits a month... |
| 05:54.35 | Kirkburn | Again, Wikia is for people of all abilities |
| 05:54.38 | Sky2042 | which he is legitimately entitled to be. |
| 05:54.46 | Kirkburn | Not all people want to or can use IRC |
| 05:55.03 | Adys | so how are you planning to do that? |
| 05:55.13 | Adys | Have to be both on IRC AND on the shoutbox watch to moderate stuff? |
| 05:55.15 | Sky2042 | nonsense. include a link using the wikia gateway from the left, and all done. |
| 05:55.28 | Adys | I agree with sky there |
| 05:55.29 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, er, I think your data is confused |
| 05:55.53 | Kirkburn | 3 million unique visitors per month, 3 million pageviews per day |
| 05:55.53 | Adys | if people cant use IRC they should go on the gateway - theres tons of other gateways too on the web |
| 05:56.12 | Sky2042 | page views, visitors, w/e. |
| 05:56.13 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 05:56.21 | Adys | and if people dont want to use irc |
| 05:56.23 | Adys | errrrrrrr |
| 05:56.24 | Kirkburn | Again, people still don't all want to use IRC |
| 05:56.27 | Adys | what would they do with a shoutbox? |
| 05:56.37 | Adys | Its not to be witty here |
| 05:56.48 | Adys | but it seems a bit... weird, not to like IRC but to prefer shoutboxes |
| 05:56.57 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: does that page really have auto-updates?... |
| 05:56.57 | Kirkburn | Why do shoutboxes exist on any site? |
| 05:56.59 | Sky2042 | :o |
| 05:57.15 | Adys | kirkburn, lol |
| 05:57.17 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, afaik |
| 05:57.20 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 05:57.46 | Adys | thats like saying animated gifs and <blink> and <marquee> is good in 1998 because every site and their sister's dog's had one |
| 05:58.00 | Kirkburn | It probably is possible to disable it on specific wikis, but I'd rather the tech team did more important stuff |
| 05:58.21 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: that's a copout and you know it ;_; |
| 05:58.22 | Adys | seriously it would take 10 mins and I can do it Im pretty sure. |
| 05:58.39 | Kirkburn | A shoutbox allows people to say hello easily - and it could be used for quick alerts about vandals, or whatever |
| 05:58.54 | Adys | shoutboxes are not quicker than IRC :P |
| 05:59.08 | Kirkburn | Even if it takes 10 mins, I'd rather the tech team was doing more important stuff |
| 05:59.19 | Adys | And I tell you this is a bad idea |
| 05:59.30 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 05:59.49 | Kirkburn | You've said IRC is better, but not why a shoutbox is bad |
| 06:00.08 | Adys | 1/ We (or actually, you, since I wont help on that) will have to deal with regular idiots, a lot more than irc, since its indeed quicker to access |
| 06:00.22 | Kirkburn | They still have to register, and we can still ban them |
| 06:00.34 | Kirkburn | They also have to know about the widget, and add it |
| 06:00.48 | Adys | Aye, on that point you are right |
| 06:00.58 | Sky2042 | zomg, that "More actions" button is hotsauce... why doesn't SmashWiki have it? :( |
| 06:01.07 | Adys | 2/ It's just pointless to have it in every way |
| 06:01.15 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, sitescout does indeed update :) |
| 06:01.23 | Sky2042 | teh hotness. |
| 06:01.29 | Sky2042 | no more f5 spamming for meeeeeeeeee |
| 06:01.31 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, we're rolling out the social tools slowly |
| 06:01.54 | Adys | I cant understand the reason behind having a shoutbox when we got an active IRC chan, when people are more likely to know about IRC than the shoutbox, when ... I dont know |
| 06:02.48 | Adys | Im not trying to be unhappy or whatever seriously, this layout is a LOT LOT LOT better than the one wikia showed a few months ago |
| 06:02.49 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, hmm? Halo is the testbed to get everything ironed out |
| 06:03.00 | Fisker- | i survived! |
| 06:03.04 | Kirkburn | Adys, Quartz? Yeah |
| 06:03.07 | pcj | i don't understand what's wrong with regular monobook skin tho |
| 06:03.27 | Kirkburn | pcj, not going to force you to use this one y'know |
| 06:03.30 | Sky2042 | yes, it owns Quartz upside the head. |
| 06:03.46 | Adys | Id say it looks pretty good |
| 06:03.50 | Adys | there is one downside to it |
| 06:03.59 | Kirkburn | monaco just has a whole lot more than monobook |
| 06:04.01 | Adys | you are going to get lots of whines |
| 06:04.10 | Adys | a lot of people are used to wikipedia |
| 06:04.13 | Kirkburn | Halo isn't actually on monaco, but an imitation of it |
| 06:04.16 | pcj | we don't need a whole lot more than monobook |
| 06:04.23 | Kirkburn | pcj, Wikia does |
| 06:04.24 | pcj | navigation should be functional, not overwhelming |
| 06:04.42 | Kirkburn | Overwhelming? It's a dropdown menu system :/ |
| 06:04.49 | Kirkburn | Just like nearly every site that exists these days |
| 06:04.59 | Kirkburn | In any case, you can make your own sidebars in monaco |
| 06:05.00 | pcj | i'm talking more about widgets than anything else |
| 06:05.07 | Kirkburn | Again, optional |
| 06:05.13 | Sky2042 | not all of them ;_; |
| 06:05.19 | pcj | Mostly useless |
| 06:05.32 | pcj | hay guies lets spend time coding a shoutbox! |
| 06:05.33 | Kirkburn | Oh, community |
| 06:05.40 | pcj | Village pump? |
| 06:05.46 | Kirkburn | pcj, jeez, Wikia isn't just about WoWWiki |
| 06:05.55 | Adys | yeah kirkburn |
| 06:06.01 | Adys | but the point pcj and i are trying to make is |
| 06:06.02 | pcj | Useless in any environment imo |
| 06:06.29 | Adys | wowwiki is just about wowwiki, wikia owns wowwiki but that, no wowwikian cares about who owns what |
| 06:06.29 | pcj | *drumroll* |
| 06:06.31 | Sky2042 | ok, someone needs to shoot halopedia... |
| 06:06.33 | Kirkburn | As much as I enjoy discussion this with stick-in-the-muds, I have heard different a lot from elsewhere |
| 06:06.34 | Adys | they care about the site |
| 06:06.50 | pcj | you've heard different a lot from wikia |
| 06:07.05 | Adys | personally, i dont have anything against the skin (bar the shoutbox and the share/rate thing) |
| 06:07.09 | Kirkburn | Monaco's development has nothing to do with WoWWiki, they aren't linked :/ |
| 06:07.19 | Adys | but i agree with pcj mostly |
| 06:07.30 | pcj | well let's see after the final wowwiki skin is done |
| 06:07.53 | Kirkburn | Telling me stuff isn't useful for WoWWiki has little bearing on whether or not Wikia codes something, as they don't generally code for a single wiki |
| 06:08.04 | Kirkburn | pcj, aye, should be cool |
| 06:08.11 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, :O |
| 06:08.16 | Adys | as a last word though.. |
| 06:08.33 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, were you referring to the community one when you said some can't be removed? |
| 06:08.35 | Adys | id just like to point out most websites recieving any kind of major change get badly welcomed by their users :) |
| 06:08.43 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: aye. |
| 06:08.56 | Kirkburn | *some* users |
| 06:09.02 | Sky2042 | personally, i'd like to point out that wowwiki has a lot more users than other wikis >.> |
| 06:09.05 | Adys | most users |
| 06:09.22 | Kirkburn | Alternatively, you could listen to the guy who works for Wikia :P |
| 06:09.35 | pcj | kirkburn have you started designing the new main page layout |
| 06:09.41 | Kirkburn | pcj, too busy atm |
| 06:09.42 | Adys | Kirkburn: our point specifically :) |
| 06:09.47 | Sky2042 | a new MP layout?... |
| 06:09.55 | pcj | portal-based sky |
| 06:10.09 | Adys | you work for wikia, we got just a wowwikian pov |
| 06:10.20 | Kirkburn | Nothing dramatic |
| 06:10.24 | Sky2042 | ah yes pcj. |
| 06:10.48 | *** join/#wowwiki Thrae (i=generalm@pool-71-166-57-140.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:10.48 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Thrae] by ChanServ |
| 06:10.49 | Kirkburn | Adys, yes, but telling me how monaco will be received is silly when I know how it's been received :P |
| 06:11.03 | Adys | eh? |
| 06:11.10 | Adys | you dont know, sorry |
| 06:11.11 | pcj | the rest of wikia != wowwiki |
| 06:11.11 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Kirkburn/Dev3 change the links on beta.wow to possibly reflect those?... |
| 06:11.12 | Kirkburn | It's already the Wikia default |
| 06:11.16 | Adys | what pcj said |
| 06:11.35 | Kirkburn | Oh sheesh, Adys was making a general comment about how skin changes are received |
| 06:11.44 | Kirkburn | I was saying that monaco has not had that problem |
| 06:11.59 | pcj | well anything after quartz would be welcomed |
| 06:12.05 | Adys | yeah |
| 06:12.08 | Kirkburn | lol, even with that |
| 06:12.11 | Adys | lol |
| 06:12.19 | Kirkburn | People have generally been comparing it to monobook |
| 06:12.28 | PanSola | I think pcj just challenged me to design a skin that is worse than quartz |
| 06:12.39 | Kirkburn | PanSola, been enjoying the convo? :) |
| 06:12.42 | pcj | cologneblue does it i think pansola |
| 06:12.55 | Adys | PanSola: wayback machine -> altavista.com |
| 06:13.00 | Adys | have fun! |
| 06:13.06 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, I'll work on it more sometime |
| 06:13.13 | pcj | mmmm tasty http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=cologneblue |
| 06:13.19 | Kirkburn | That Dev3 isn't in any way final |
| 06:13.26 | PanSola | wikipedia has a new "Modern" skin btw |
| 06:13.33 | Kirkburn | oh yeah, need to check that out |
| 06:13.42 | Sky2042 | i use Modern over Monbook, actually. |
| 06:13.59 | Sky2042 | no image of the globe makes me sad, but otherwise, some nice style changes. |
| 06:14.06 | Adys | [07:13:52] <+pcj> +mmmm tasty http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=cologneblue |
| 06:14.10 | Adys | that made me crash :( |
| 06:14.19 | pcj | see? worse than quartz |
| 06:14.32 | Adys | lol |
| 06:14.35 | Sky2042 | sidebar's a little larger in modern, but it's livable. |
| 06:14.47 | Adys | its not nearly as bad as i thought |
| 06:15.03 | Adys | i mean |
| 06:15.07 | Kirkburn | The lack of a site logo is pretty much a no-go for most sites |
| 06:15.09 | Adys | its better than the current colors on the beta site |
| 06:15.46 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: the amazingness of user-styles is amazing. =] |
| 06:15.57 | Kirkburn | Adys, seriously, stop complaining about the skin colours, the gaming skin is not what we'll be using, and we know that the techy style isn't for everyone |
| 06:16.13 | Adys | gee kirk chill Im kidding :P |
| 06:16.28 | Sky2042 | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1640794840&sid=1 and then this is the 2nd blue response of the thread. http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8933/churchsignld5.jpg |
| 06:16.57 | Adys | also, Kirkburn, question |
| 06:17.19 | Adys | the wikia spotlight, it stays like in current, or it disappears like in 1.12? |
| 06:17.28 | Sky2042 | oh god, so true. |
| 06:17.29 | Kirkburn | Adys, please, this is my job now, I take these things more seriously than previously |
| 06:17.53 | Kirkburn | Adys, one spotlight on the sidebar still |
| 06:17.59 | Adys | ok |
| 06:18.03 | Kirkburn | Moveable |
| 06:18.08 | Sky2042 | and the ad on the front page goes away? |
| 06:18.09 | Adys | nice |
| 06:18.12 | Adys | is there a trash.. |
| 06:18.14 | Kirkburn | Three at the page end |
| 06:18.24 | Sky2042 | Adys: no, no getting rid of that one ;( |
| 06:18.33 | Adys | Sky2042: greasemonkey :P |
| 06:18.35 | Kirkburn | Ad will stay, plus there will be a banner ad |
| 06:18.39 | Sky2042 | of course. |
| 06:18.46 | pcj | Ads? |
| 06:18.49 | pcj | Oh, forgot about those |
| 06:18.50 | Sky2042 | zomg ads |
| 06:18.53 | pcj | We still have them? |
| 06:19.02 | Kirkburn | Nothing that'll interfere with content more than already |
| 06:19.12 | Sky2042 | yeah, except it's a banner ad at the top, like on the WoWdbs |
| 06:19.14 | pcj | Well, at least Wikia isn't watermarking all the images yet |
| 06:19.16 | Sky2042 | (most of) |
| 06:19.19 | Kirkburn | Actually, I'd say less, given the state of the sidebar atm |
| 06:19.28 | Adys | i hope the google ads go away |
| 06:19.31 | Kirkburn | pcj, uh, can't do that |
| 06:19.41 | pcj | Well, they could |
| 06:19.50 | Kirkburn | Wouldn't it break the licence? |
| 06:19.57 | pcj | Hmm |
| 06:20.01 | Adys | not if the license changed |
| 06:20.02 | Adys | :) |
| 06:20.11 | pcj | The images are already being edited |
| 06:20.35 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: question: wikia has standardized policy pages. those aren't going to pop up in place of the few we currently have, will they? |
| 06:20.43 | Sky2042 | eg, Project:Copyrights |
| 06:20.51 | Kirkburn | Things not happening: 1). license change 2). anons being able to edit 3). other crazy stuff |
| 06:20.59 | Kirkburn | No |
| 06:21.09 | Sky2042 | ok, double checking. |
| 06:21.12 | Adys | other crazy stuff like a leaderboard on all our pages you mean? :P |
| 06:21.15 | Kirkburn | 3). no content changes |
| 06:21.40 | Adys | (kidding btw, dont care about ads as long as you dont work around my greasemonkeys) |
| 06:21.44 | Kirkburn | 4). social tools *replacing* other content |
| 06:21.54 | pcj | adys, openwdb, potential for in-game client a la lightheaded in the future? |
| 06:22.09 | Adys | uhm, potential yes |
| 06:22.12 | Kirkburn | Someone brought up lightheaded in the SXSW panel |
| 06:22.14 | Adys | but.. good luck |
| 06:22.17 | Sky2042 | o_o ! |
| 06:22.22 | Sky2042 | and Kirkburn? |
| 06:22.24 | Adys | lua xml parsing errrr |
| 06:22.43 | pcj | get a good xsl going and good to go |
| 06:22.43 | Kirkburn | PlayXpert is sort of an ingame client btw, since it runs as an overlay |
| 06:22.46 | pcj | server side anyway |
| 06:23.05 | kd3 | oh whee... we've got a local source for bawls in the middle of nowhere |
| 06:23.16 | Sky2042 | kd3: ? |
| 06:23.19 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, only a brief mention, it was about how you get web info in-games |
| 06:23.24 | Sky2042 | ah |
| 06:23.24 | pcj | bawls=energy drink |
| 06:23.24 | kd3 | gurana energy drink |
| 06:23.41 | Sky2042 | kd3: answer to unannounced question: don't drink it. |
| 06:24.01 | Kirkburn | What do you think of the monaco menu system as it is atm? |
| 06:24.14 | Adys | font size should be reduced in the child menus |
| 06:24.15 | pcj | Could obviously use refining |
| 06:24.18 | Adys | rest is okay |
| 06:24.39 | Kirkburn | K, I'm sure I can reduce that size |
| 06:24.40 | pcj | What exactly is featured users |
| 06:24.56 | Sky2042 | egads, kirkburn, we can remove that part, can't we? :/ |
| 06:24.59 | Kirkburn | I think it's people who've edited most, something like that |
| 06:25.00 | Adys | you mean.. what the fuck is featured users yeah |
| 06:25.01 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, yes |
| 06:25.09 | Adys | oh god edit races :P |
| 06:25.13 | kd3 | so. varg wins by default forever? |
| 06:25.21 | Adys | you mean theres people who're gonna challenge varg? |
| 06:25.24 | Sky2042 | i noticed it on the global messages wikia... which made me sick. |
| 06:25.26 | Sky2042 | Foxbot!!! |
| 06:25.38 | Adys | i think its smarter to remove the php code and replace it with varg on top, foxbot as second |
| 06:25.39 | Sky2042 | and / or Laurly. |
| 06:25.40 | pcj | just put varghedin's user page link in the menu, done |
| 06:25.44 | Kirkburn | It's all editable, naturally |
| 06:26.05 | Kirkburn | Community is probably the only "finished" menu |
| 06:26.09 | pcj | who determines editor's pick |
| 06:26.16 | Kirkburn | All the others need filling out and organising |
| 06:26.27 | Sky2042 | but we can removed "community"... right? |
| 06:26.30 | Kirkburn | pcj, I think that's affected by the rating thingy |
| 06:26.31 | Sky2042 | remove* |
| 06:26.32 | pcj | newly changed probably shouldn't be on there |
| 06:26.44 | pcj | wouldn't highest voted be affected by the rating thingy |
| 06:27.18 | Sky2042 | ack, nvm |
| 06:27.21 | pcj | most visited menu = editor's pick lol |
| 06:27.26 | Kirkburn | I'll need to look into the meanings of them all |
| 06:28.09 | Adys | rebooting brb |
| 06:28.16 | kd3 | newuserlog coming with 1.12 too? |
| 06:28.18 | Kirkburn | We probably don't need that stuff, it's just all about giving the community choice |
| 06:28.22 | pcj | The edit this menu link on editor's pick takes me to http://beta.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Most_popular_articles&action=edit |
| 06:28.33 | Kirkburn | Nah, no newuserlog |
| 06:28.34 | Sky2042 | yes, pcj... |
| 06:28.55 | pcj | so what's the point of having an edit this menu link most users can't change |
| 06:29.03 | Kirkburn | kd3, due to the shared database it wouldn't make much sense |
| 06:29.05 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: i have to agree with pcj on the "newest changed" also, since that's duplicated 2 or 3 other places unneccessarily. |
| 06:29.14 | Kirkburn | It would be protected by the wikia-wide regexblock, etc |
| 06:29.18 | Sky2042 | that's for all of wikia, heh. |
| 06:29.53 | Kirkburn | Aye, fine for getting rid of all this stuff :) |
| 06:30.38 | Sky2042 | bah sp. |
| 06:30.45 | Kirkburn | in his grave, |
| 06:30.50 | pcj | "Items" should probably be under Gameplay |
| 06:30.54 | Sky2042 | naturally. |
| 06:31.08 | Kirkburn | I'll see how much work I can do on WW while here, sidebar obviously needs filling out |
| 06:31.33 | pcj | What's the difference between character and gameplay |
| 06:31.38 | Adys | wtf i got reboot into 640x480 |
| 06:31.39 | Sky2042 | annoying that you only have admin on beta :/ |
| 06:31.42 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 06:32.00 | Adys | help i got 73 channels open in 640x480 |
| 06:32.07 | kd3 | ouch |
| 06:32.21 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 06:32.30 | Sky2042 | serves you right for being in 73 channels. |
| 06:32.32 | Adys | ok, this needs fixing, brb |
| 06:33.19 | Kirkburn | I'd make you all admins if I could |
| 06:33.32 | Sky2042 | but you're not +bureau. |
| 06:33.32 | pcj | you can |
| 06:33.39 | Sky2042 | he's can't :/ |
| 06:33.44 | Kirkburn | Copy http://beta.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar and develop it? |
| 06:33.45 | Kirkburn | aye, not bureau |
| 06:34.26 | Kirkburn | Arf, monaco doesn't work on IE8 |
| 06:34.37 | pcj | <-- called it |
| 06:34.45 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: actually, that Project bug's coming up again, as I'm not seeing Community Portal on the links. |
| 06:35.01 | Sky2042 | wait. uh. |
| 06:35.13 | Sky2042 | nvm |
| 06:35.16 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 06:35.33 | Kirkburn | omg, wait .. that's fixed? |
| 06:35.44 | Sky2042 | it would appear so. |
| 06:35.45 | Kirkburn | Nice |
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| 06:35.58 | Kirkburn | unintentional, but cool |
| 06:36.31 | pcj | does anyone else get a database error at http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Watchlist/edit |
| 06:36.31 | kd3 | like the best bugfixes |
| 06:36.47 | kd3 | wfm |
| 06:36.54 | kd3 | 2,399 pages |
| 06:37.19 | pcj | Database error |
| 06:37.20 | pcj | A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: |
| 06:37.21 | pcj | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.21 | pcj | from within function "LinkBatch::doQuery". MySQL returned error "1153: Got a packet bigger than 'max_allowed_packet' bytes (10.8.2.12)". |
| 06:37.28 | Lukian | no error for me |
| 06:37.35 | Sky2042 | pcj: just edited mine. seems fine. |
| 06:37.39 | Lukian | your watchlist is too big? :D |
| 06:37.52 | pcj | well, i'd clear it, but i can't seem to edit it... |
| 06:38.12 | Kirkburn | pcj, how many? |
| 06:38.17 | Kirkburn | 4000+? |
| 06:38.31 | pcj | I'd tell you, but I can't seem to get to the /edit page to see |
| 06:38.38 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 06:38.39 | pcj | Oh, here we are |
| 06:38.40 | Lukian | just have a db admin clean out your watchlist :D |
| 06:38.40 | pcj | You have 25,015 pages on your watchlist (excluding talk pages) |
| 06:38.46 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 06:38.46 | Kirkburn | Yeah, you're buggered |
| 06:39.07 | Kirkburn | Maybe, maybe 1.12 will help |
| 06:39.09 | Sky2042 | whythefuckdoyouhave a quarter of the wiki on watchlist? |
| 06:39.11 | Sky2042 | o_o |
| 06:39.16 | Lukian | hahahhaa |
| 06:39.23 | pcj | "Add pages to watch list when you edit" or w/e |
| 06:39.33 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 06:39.34 | Kirkburn | Mine used to break at 4000 until some point |
| 06:39.49 | Kirkburn | I have that too, but still mine's 4,400 |
| 06:39.56 | Kirkburn | I guess all the laurlybot stuff? |
| 06:40.09 | pcj | Um, I've edited just about every item |
| 06:40.20 | Sky2042 | smart. |
| 06:43.41 | kd3 | whee. gurana is fun |
| 06:45.25 | Kirkburn | I'm off now |
| 06:45.37 | Kirkburn | Been fun chatting, will be back tomorrow :) |
| 06:46.06 | Kirkburn | As I said in the panel, one of the reasons I do this is cause I get to meet people like you lot :P |
| 06:46.23 | Kirkburn | (srsly, I gotz proof, whenever the video goes up) |
| 06:46.37 | Sky2042 | ? |
| 06:46.46 | Sky2042 | oh yes, because we're fun to meet. |
| 06:46.48 | Sky2042 | :O |
| 06:47.01 | Kirkburn | Adys, I may indeed be at WWI btw |
| 06:47.19 | Kirkburn | We gotta sort out a EU meetup |
| 06:47.37 | Kirkburn | (then a US one at Blizzcon 09 of course) |
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| 06:48.39 | Adys | back |
| 06:48.45 | Adys | that fixed it, ish |
| 06:48.49 | Adys | Kirkburn: cool .] |
| 06:49.01 | Adys | shit, my keyboard too,,, |
| 06:49.08 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 06:49.27 | kd3 | what are you doing to your poor computer? |
| 06:49.35 | Adys | [07:48:26] <@Kirkburn> +Arf, monaco doesn't work on IE8 |
| 06:49.37 | Adys | LOL |
| 06:49.47 | Kirkburn | Bloody vatican - their new social sins include: |
| 06:49.48 | Kirkburn | 1. “Bioethical’ violations such as birth control |
| 06:49.48 | Kirkburn | 2. “Morally dubious†experiments such as stem cell research |
| 06:50.13 | Adys | kd3: running alpha test OS ./ |
| 06:50.16 | Kirkburn | Adys, my bet is it's probably due to some IE hacks carrying over |
| 06:50.24 | kd3 | ouch |
| 06:50.35 | Adys | yeah kirk damn those ie hacks .] |
| 06:50.39 | kd3 | and bah at religion |
| 06:50.41 | Adys | fuck this keyboard, brb |
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| 06:52.12 | Kirkburn | I can't imagine there's anything specific that IE8 is missing |
| 06:52.47 | Fisker- | Mr. Kirkburn |
| 06:53.00 | Kirkburn | Btw, Darkmoon Faire is going up for another week tomorrow (US) |
| 06:53.46 | Kirkburn | Bibi, poke with link - http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/5103878682.htm |
| 06:54.37 | Adys | woot has mah keyboard |
| 06:54.49 | Adys | now wtb my second screen.. |
| 06:57.18 | Adys | haha awesome, back in 640 >< |
| 06:58.59 | Kirkburn | I'm off, toodles |
| 06:59.24 | Bibi | yeah Kirkburn saw that :p |
| 06:59.33 | Bibi | don't know why it's such a drama, nobody cares about the darkmoon faire :/ |
| 06:59.58 | Kirkburn | I think it's weird too |
| 07:09.01 | Fisker- | hej |
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| 07:16.58 | laurly | LOL i think eirik agreed to help iwth the new bot :) |
| 07:25.04 | Sky2042_afk | jebus the VP needs an archive. |
| 07:25.25 | laurly | yeah |
| 07:31.34 | Adys | fixed woot |
| 07:36.11 | laurly | name a quest that requires youf ind an item. |
| 07:36.24 | Sky2042_afk | uh... |
| 07:36.28 | Sky2042_afk | i was just at one... xD |
| 07:36.46 | laurly | found one. |
| 07:38.55 | laurly | crap im looking for a word..... common poor epic thats an items what ? |
| 07:39.10 | Sky2042_afk | rarity |
| 07:39.16 | laurly | thank you |
| 07:44.45 | laurly | sky go check User:Laurlybot/quest_bot/template |
| 07:48.52 | Sky2042_afk | minor changes. |
| 07:49.02 | Sky2042_afk | feel free to bug eirik :) |
| 07:49.17 | Sky2042_afk | nice guild botting there too, btw |
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| 07:49.42 | Sky2042_afk | i think those are going in their own category though |
| 07:50.12 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Laurlybot/quest_bot#Eirik_comments <-- check that |
| 07:50.31 | Amarande | hmm, if there's one thing I miss the most about Guild Wars that isn't in WoW though ... |
| 07:50.44 | Amarande | it's the ability to base your armor choices on look, without having to gimp yourself on function |
| 07:51.04 | Sky2042_afk | oh yes, there've been many suggestions about that... |
| 07:51.12 | laurly | elinks with the quest id right? |
| 07:51.20 | Keolah | all my high level females look like whores. |
| 07:51.25 | Amarande | I played GW for many months before I started WoW, so the good parts of it stick in my memory well |
| 07:51.27 | Sky2042_afk | oops |
| 07:51.28 | Amarande | morning Keolah :) |
| 07:51.35 | Keolah | What? i haven't left. :P |
| 07:51.38 | Sky2042_afk | i think i may have added elinks-item laurly xD |
| 07:51.44 | Keolah | I've just been leveling my rogue ;p |
| 07:51.52 | laurly | Sky2042_afk figured you had :) |
| 07:51.54 | Keolah | But I'm currently flying from Darnassus to Gadgetzan... ;p |
| 07:52.01 | Amarande | ouch. |
| 07:52.11 | Keolah | So, uh, yeah, i've got a few minutes to chat! :P |
| 07:52.13 | Amarande | that's almost as bad as the time I decided to not wait for my hearthstone after training a level |
| 07:52.19 | Keolah | lol |
| 07:52.31 | Amarande | I was in UC, so I figured, ok, I'll fly to Stonard, jump back thru the Dark Portal and go back to Shatt |
| 07:52.35 | laurly | yeah about 10 min flight i think. |
| 07:52.41 | Amarande | yay, ten minute + flight from UC to Stonard :S |
| 07:52.42 | Keolah | I'm also presently trying to figure out how to tell my grandmother, "I'm planning to move to another state to be a sex slave to some guy I met over the internet." :P |
| 07:52.42 | Sky2042_afk | laurly: quest chains should use #s rather than *s, fyi |
| 07:53.10 | Keolah | I don't think she'll approve. :P |
| 07:53.13 | Amarande | lol |
| 07:54.10 | Amarande | why bother telling gramma, then? :S |
| 07:54.54 | Amarande | speaking of super long travel, time to head from Area 52 to SMV :| |
| 07:55.16 | Keolah | because I live with her and she's gonna need to find out before seeing me walking out with a suitcase in hand ;p |
| 07:55.29 | laurly | Sky2042_afk ?? what do you mean? |
| 07:55.37 | Sky2042_afk | um... |
| 07:55.44 | Sky2042_afk | wonder if i can find a quest big enough |
| 07:56.07 | laurly | look around :) |
| 07:56.11 | Amarande | hopefully I will find myself marrying a woman who plays WoW. :) |
| 07:56.22 | Amarande | otherwise, I start to get the distinct impression I may have to drop out of this particular hobby :| |
| 07:56.38 | Sky2042_afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Cipher_of_Damnation laurly. |
| 07:56.52 | Amarande | or at least, not have any endgame progression other than arena PvP |
| 07:56.58 | Keolah | Believe it or not, girls do play WoW ;p |
| 07:57.06 | Sky2042_afk | prolly won't have to be so bad with the bot, but i'm just showing u the numbers rather than the bullets |
| 07:57.57 | Amarande | we actually do have a fair number of women in my guild :) |
| 07:58.16 | Amarande | c'mon, you stupid wind rider, can't you fly any faster than that, and stop giving me the damned scenic route |
| 07:58.21 | Amarande | I want my flying mount NOW |
| 07:59.18 | Keolah | Okay, perhaps I should not mention the 'sex slave' bit to my grandmother ;p |
| 07:59.39 | laurly | Sky2042_afk check the quest chain again |
| 07:59.55 | Amarande | uh oh. how much gold does the actual flying mount cost? |
| 08:00.00 | Amarande | I only remembered that training is 800 |
| 08:00.50 | laurly | put# infrount of the quest long |
| 08:01.54 | laurly | now you guys can see what the pat template looks like while i get it to work. |
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| 08:10.27 | Amarande | yay thought so. I did not send enough gold from my AH character to my warlock. |
| 08:10.36 | laurly | hmm and another guild officer bites the dust |
| 08:11.05 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 08:11.09 | Sky2042_afk | what for? |
| 08:11.20 | laurly | hmm he left the guild last night. |
| 08:11.53 | laurly | why well it probably had something to do with the fact hes left the last 2 raids to go pug kara on an alt. |
| 08:11.59 | laurly | GM called him on it last night |
| 08:12.00 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 08:12.47 | laurly | why would you pug kara on an alt when you could be in MH and BT on your main. |
| 08:14.00 | Amarande | alliance or horde guild, which server? |
| 08:14.08 | laurly | alliance aggramar |
| 08:16.42 | Sky2042_afk | kd3: pok |
| 08:16.55 | kd3 | hm? |
| 08:17.14 | Sky2042_afk | sup w/ tagging stub here http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Guild:Convicted_%28Al%27Akir_EU%29&action=history ? |
| 08:17.47 | kd3 | gah, kuso. though I caught all of the mistagged stubs |
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| 08:32.54 | kd3 | oh, damn. |
| 08:32.59 | kd3 | missed the shuttle launch this morning |
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| 08:34.00 | Bibi | I'm sure it wouldn't happen if your best friend Hortus was in charge of the launch. |
| 08:34.25 | Sky2042_afk | ooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 08:34.30 | Bibi | (I think I tried to watch a shuttle launch 3 or 4 times in my life) |
| 08:34.32 | Sky2042_afk | them's fighting words! |
| 08:34.39 | Bibi | (it always end up the same way) |
| 08:34.54 | Bibi | ("huh sorry, launch has been postponed to tomorrow, I think we saw a cloud 30km away") |
| 08:34.56 | Sky2042_afk | i actually got to see one by accident a couple of summers ago. i had pulled an allnighter, and happened to turn the tv on at the right time. |
| 08:35.08 | Sky2042_afk | 5 in the morning, naturally. |
| 08:35.27 | laurly | LOL guild name "AFK oh NVM" |
| 08:37.40 | Fisker- | almost so funny that i went to france just to kill Bibi |
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| 08:39.41 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:Band_%C3%B2f_Brothers_%28Duskwood_US%29 is that a legal char? |
| 08:40.04 | Sky2042_afk | not in WoW by some rule or another, but yes, it is. |
| 08:40.21 | Sky2042_afk | don't ask me which language uses it. |
| 08:40.37 | kd3 | they changed the tos. ascii's allowed. it's nearly always been allowed in guild/arena titles iirc |
| 08:40.42 | kd3 | s/ascii/high ascii/ |
| 08:40.48 | laurly | well the bot will gag on it if wow doesnt allow it its not going to be in armory. |
| 08:41.10 | kd3 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/guild-info.xml?r=Duskwood&n=Band%20%C3%B2f%20Brothers&p=1 |
| 08:41.13 | Sky2042_afk | it's now allowed in ascii... |
| 08:41.14 | Amarande | however, high ascii in character names is still not something you really want to do |
| 08:41.15 | Sky2042_afk | ugh |
| 08:41.19 | Sky2042_afk | indeed. |
| 08:41.22 | Amarande | since a lot of folks won't invite you into groups if they can't type your name |
| 08:41.46 | kd3 | of course. I never said it was a good idea. just that the GMs aren't enforcing that ex-policy any more |
| 08:41.58 | Amarande | argh, this is not what I wanted to read |
| 08:42.17 | Amarande | forum stuff saying that class changes in 2.4 are pushing people away from playing the priest class, PvP issues being a major reason for it |
| 08:42.23 | Amarande | it's hard enough to get a damn healer as it is :| |
| 08:42.43 | kd3 | and it's the class forums. when are they ever /not/ full of QQing? |
| 08:42.50 | Sky2042_afk | bah, unless that came from the blues, take it with a freaking grain of salt. |
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| 08:43.52 | laurly | hmm bot might not gag on it if i can get it to store in the db right. |
| 08:44.06 | Amarande | kd3: PvP forum actually |
| 08:44.18 | Amarande | and actually, there is a fairly strong consensus that melee is becoming OP in arenas |
| 08:45.04 | Amarande | of course the melee always QQs that spells are too powerful and don't respect their armor, so why shouldn't melee attacks be treated generously with armor penetration? |
| 08:45.17 | Amarande | problem is, these melees keep forgetting, this is assuming we actually manage to CAST a spell :| |
| 08:45.26 | Sky2042_afk | i shot the wow, but i did not shoot the wowwiki |
| 08:45.28 | Amarande | this hardly ever happens. |
| 08:45.51 | Amarande | what happens is that we try to cast a spell, we get pushbacked over and over till you have enough rage/combo points/energy to do an interrupt + school disable, and the spell never actually gets cast at all :S |
| 08:46.47 | Amarande | oddly, now there's talk that warlocks and mages will be even MORE wanted in arenas because of it though |
| 08:46.59 | Amarande | mainly because apparently, you can only counter the melee zerg with a CC zerg |
| 08:48.01 | Amarande | but yeah, the basic trouble is that melee have things like sunder and hamstring that can't be removed, at all, to make the target nice and tenderized and can't really run away |
| 08:48.21 | Amarande | while any caster attempt to CC so they can kite, assuming they even get it off at all, gets dispelled by the melee guy's buddy |
| 08:48.35 | Amarande | also, most of all, that melee weapons are scaling way better than caster weapons, which is probably the real problem |
| 08:49.10 | laurly | wiki down? |
| 08:49.28 | Nolook | The server at www.wowwiki.com is taking too long to respond. |
| 08:49.38 | kd3 | wfm |
| 08:49.42 | laurly | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.17 | laurly | ping adys |
| 08:51.31 | laurly | yup its down. |
| 08:51.59 | Amarande | lol |
| 08:52.22 | Amarande | "mage + priest vs. mage + priest ... should ALWAYS WIN" |
| 08:52.22 | laurly | #wikia quite usefull its back |
| 08:52.57 | Amarande | yes, mage + priest will probably win vs. mage + priest ... just like Viktor was going to win the last Ukrainian elections :) |
| 08:53.59 | Nolook | laurly: Thanks. |
| 08:56.00 | Amarande | hmm |
| 08:56.07 | Amarande | also, are these people on the money regarding this: |
| 08:56.39 | Amarande | that PvP tends to favor casters when a given expansion is new, and over time continually slides towards favoring melee until the next expansion comes out, which renews the cycle back at the caster favorance end? |
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| 09:49.06 | Fisker- | I disagree |
| 09:50.26 | laurly | think everyone else is asleep |
| 09:50.37 | Fisker- | i am sick |
| 09:51.19 | Fisker- | do not want |
| 09:51.36 | laurly | its good for you drink it. |
| 09:54.28 | Fisker- | was mpt |
| 09:54.29 | Fisker- | was not |
| 09:54.35 | Fisker- | didn't work at all :( |
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| 11:34.43 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 11:35.06 | Fisker- | When i browse the bank log in the armory i get "Must be member of the guild" at group 7 :P |
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| 12:49.01 | Adys | laurly: pong |
| 12:49.13 | Adys | but Im going to bed :P |
| 12:49.22 | laurly | ? |
| 12:49.35 | Adys | [09:50:17] <laurly> ping adys |
| 12:49.40 | Adys | was a while ago yea |
| 12:49.44 | laurly | yeah wiki was down but that was ages ago |
| 12:49.49 | Adys | be back tonight |
| 12:50.02 | laurly | skip it :) |
| 12:50.10 | laurly | sleep well. |
| 13:09.25 | pcj | lol |
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| 13:31.36 | Kaso | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7287984.stm |
| 13:31.46 | Kaso | Great, we're turning into america |
| 13:32.54 | foxlit | "WE ARE NUMBER ONE!" |
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| 13:36.56 | foxlit | http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=148212 http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=148348 |
| 13:42.45 | foxlit | The question, though, is: how staged is that? |
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| 13:54.07 | pcj | most of it |
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| 14:11.25 | pcj | wtf why is he adding it to archive http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Laurly/Archive02&curid=161292&diff=1254858&oldid=1252609&rcid=1179157 |
| 14:12.18 | laurly | very good question |
| 14:19.48 | laurly | but why did the bot tag it i wonder |
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| 14:47.21 | Ose | ~seen Gourra |
| 14:47.25 | infobot | gourra <n=g0urra@73-236.powerdsl.t3.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 15h 48m 18s ago, saying: 'right-o I'll work on that'. |
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| 15:08.54 | pcj | ping admin sd all http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Siradys&namespace=112 per [[WW:GUILD]] |
| 15:18.13 | Fisker- | what's wrong with it? |
| 15:18.23 | Fisker- | oh |
| 15:18.24 | Fisker- | content |
| 15:18.36 | Ose | stub tagging now |
| 15:18.38 | Ose | bot |
| 15:28.53 | laurly | wtf is that..... |
| 15:29.36 | pcj | what |
| 15:30.01 | laurly | the evil person adding loads of guild pages with no content.... |
| 15:30.21 | pcj | yeah |
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| 16:06.14 | pcj | they're talking about hitler's constipation on the history channel ._. |
| 16:10.55 | ltcolumbo | awesome, and I'm at work missing it :( |
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| 16:15.27 | dev_n00b | I LIKE PIE! |
| 16:15.40 | PhotoJim | 3.1415923589793! |
| 16:16.03 | PhotoJim | it was a fickle ficus. |
| 16:16.05 | pcj | *3.141592653589 |
| 16:16.07 | pcj | wtf photojim |
| 16:16.13 | pcj | how could you bungle pi like that |
| 16:16.17 | dev_n00b | The things I do during server maintenance... |
| 16:16.18 | PhotoJim | I bunged it |
| 16:16.21 | PhotoJim | 3.141592653589793 |
| 16:16.22 | PhotoJim | try that |
| 16:16.34 | pcj | better |
| 16:16.35 | dev_n00b | I want the servers back online!!!! |
| 16:16.46 | PhotoJim | don't have an alt on another server? |
| 16:16.57 | pcj | ...all servers are down photojim |
| 16:17.03 | PhotoJim | all? oh, I didn't know that. |
| 16:17.09 | dev_n00b | Tuesday hell |
| 16:17.13 | dev_n00b | AKA Maintenance |
| 16:17.13 | pcj | it's only been that way for like...forever |
| 16:17.26 | dev_n00b | I want my S3 gloves! |
| 16:17.28 | PhotoJim | I'm always at work on Tuesdays so I can't play |
| 16:17.34 | dev_n00b | *pouts even |
| 16:17.46 | dev_n00b | PVP == Epics :D |
| 16:18.00 | dev_n00b | To top off the day, the cable tv is out :( |
| 16:18.10 | dev_n00b | Internet still works, but I like tv WHILE I am on the PC |
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| 16:19.26 | pcj | yeah my tv is looking a little less HD today for some reason |
| 16:19.36 | pcj | fortunately the picture is still 52" |
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| 16:19.46 | dev_n00b | I'm about to steal my grammies 32" LCD HD and use it for my monitor :O |
| 16:20.25 | dev_n00b | I'm set to play, too |
| 16:20.44 | dev_n00b | I have ritalin, seroquel, concerta, depakote, invega, and cymbalta here :O |
| 16:21.33 | dev_n00b | I just need to get some Monster XXL energy drink :O |
| 16:35.35 | equiraptor | nah, just needs to send output to /dev/null |
| 16:35.49 | laurly | that works |
| 16:36.38 | pcj | heh |
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| 17:10.25 | Ose | should we revert http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Dragon_Aspects&curid=15127&diff=1255248&oldid=1187909? |
| 17:10.34 | Ose | I like the old one better |
| 17:10.51 | Ose | or do I? |
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| 17:20.31 | dev_n00b | Back! |
| 17:20.35 | dev_n00b | I has chippy chips! |
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| 17:20.49 | dev_n00b | Back to the tranq comment from Laurly... |
| 17:20.49 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
| 17:21.03 | dev_n00b | Depakote is a mood stabiliser and invega is an anti=psychotic |
| 17:21.09 | Kirkburn | Morning |
| 17:21.10 | sacarasc | real chips or what americans refer to as chips which are really just fried slices of potato and not chips of potato at all? |
| 17:21.32 | dev_n00b | Now, Seroquel is one of the most powerful antipsychotics you can get. I take 25mg 3x daily, and 100mg at night |
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| 17:21.47 | dev_n00b | sacarasc, in this case, I have crisps |
| 17:22.01 | dev_n00b | Ever watch "You are what you eat" on BBC? |
| 17:22.44 | sacarasc | i don't watch TV |
| 17:22.50 | dev_n00b | OOOH! |
| 17:22.54 | dev_n00b | Cash in the Attic is on! |
| 17:23.25 | dev_n00b | On YAWYE, there was a family that went through 83 bags of crisps in a week. The father went through 52 himself :O |
| 17:23.31 | Kirkburn | Articles with "+" in the name are fixed on beta - http://beta.wowwiki.com/Claws_of_Attack_%2B3 |
| 17:24.18 | Ose | hai thar kirk |
| 17:24.24 | Ose | stil at SXSW? |
| 17:25.29 | Kirkburn | Ose, nope |
| 17:25.39 | Kirkburn | Now at the Wikia office near San Fran |
| 17:25.50 | Ose | owkay |
| 17:30.27 | Ose | any chance of us getting image thumbnails fixed soon? |
| 17:33.08 | Kirkburn | Ose, dunno |
| 17:33.39 | Kirkburn | *sigh*, laptop fan is going crazy again |
| 17:34.00 | Kirkburn | I'll be back later |
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| 17:38.36 | equiraptor | Dang. I missed kirkburn. |
| 17:38.54 | dev_n00b | Ims Kan Cty,MO |
| 17:39.06 | dev_n00b | WTH |
| 17:39.24 | dev_n00b | I miss Kansas City, MO |
| 17:39.28 | dev_n00b | My wireless went nuts :O |
| 17:42.37 | sacarasc | wednesday too often going into fridayu |
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| 17:44.13 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Server:Area_52_US&curid=84141&diff=1255288&oldid=1248074 what is this? |
| 17:47.06 | Ose | lol, I thought http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Server:Dunemaul_US&diff=prev&oldid=1255302 was vandalism, but downs is actually the guild name >.< |
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| 17:51.42 | airness | you guys have any suggestions for inventory/bank addons |
| 17:52.02 | airness | like addons that will scan and hold screenshot or something of all inventory/bank of all chars on an account? |
| 18:07.45 | JohnMahowald | Wishlist that tracks stuff people want for their (guild) banks |
| 18:09.05 | airness | found a good one |
| 18:09.06 | airness | bankitems |
| 18:18.39 | Ose | aren't you supposed to be crazy by now? (http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Crazy_people/Laurly) |
| 18:19.36 | laurly | wtf i havent seen that before. |
| 18:20.00 | Ose | :P |
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| 18:21.54 | laurly | ROLF |
| 18:22.22 | Ose | who? |
| 18:22.34 | laurly | dotted started it apperntly. |
| 18:23.50 | Ose | you should thank him later :P |
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| 18:29.23 | laurly | hmmm i have 2 more votes then any of the other crazy ppl ..... |
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| 18:29.32 | laurly | my guild is enjoying this. |
| 18:30.56 | Ose | noone noticed you were already "done" :P |
| 18:32.22 | laurly | well the rest of the officers have clamed they already knew i was crazy so |
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| 18:45.42 | pcj | hi keolah |
| 18:47.11 | foxlit | score, i r sane! |
| 18:47.59 | laurly | pcj you my offical spell checker? |
| 18:48.13 | pcj | can i be |
| 18:48.18 | laurly | :) |
| 18:49.14 | laurly | ohhh i think i get to raid tonight |
| 18:50.00 | pcj | nice |
| 18:50.01 | pcj | BT? |
| 18:51.37 | laurly | yup |
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| 18:52.39 | pcj | cool |
| 18:53.08 | laurly | Teron Gorefiend i think |
| 19:01.14 | laurly | hmmm why isnt adys a crazy person? |
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| 19:04.26 | Ose | too sane? |
| 19:04.54 | laurly | hes here every day how can that be sane? |
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| 19:06.43 | pcj | i think the openwdb thing is more evidence of insanity than anything else |
| 19:07.16 | laurly | men there all lost in BT..... cant stop and ask for directions |
| 19:08.03 | laurly | good point pcj! |
| 19:08.46 | laurly | does guild template auto cat? |
| 19:10.02 | Ose | how do I change the color of a link? |
| 19:10.08 | Ose | I need it in gold |
| 19:10.16 | pcj | you have to use CSS ose |
| 19:11.04 | Ose | yeah, but exaclty what do I write? I tried <span style="color: gold;">[[Kobold]]</span>'''</span>, but that didn't work |
| 19:11.06 | pcj | no |
| 19:11.34 | pcj | in Special:Mypage/wowwiki.css write: |
| 19:11.54 | pcj | .blah a:link{color:gold;} |
| 19:12.12 | pcj | and then the HTML is <span class="blah">[[Kobold]]</span> |
| 19:12.16 | foxlit | [[Page Title|<span style="color: gold>Caption</span>]] |
| 19:12.24 | pcj | or that i guess |
| 19:12.28 | foxlit | s/gold/gold"/ |
| 19:12.42 | Ose | kk |
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| 19:12.53 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/News/Items/JPG_needs_to_die |
| 19:13.08 | Ose | thankies |
| 19:13.54 | laurly | wheres sky when i need him. |
| 19:14.07 | foxlit | Usually above you |
| 19:14.17 | foxlit | Unless you're in... australia? |
| 19:14.29 | foxlit | (Odd how china is perceived to be upside down) |
| 19:14.44 | pcj | laurly it does |
| 19:15.21 | foxlit | I mean, you'd have to start digging somewhere in South America to end up in China :/ |
| 19:15.25 | foxlit | Bloody cartoons |
| 19:15.25 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:Ars_Discordia_%28Doomhammer_US%29 <--- got the bot replaceing the guild tag |
| 19:15.31 | laurly | should she remove the old cats as well? |
| 19:16.56 | pcj | laurly it {{guild}} doesn't categorize by alliance or horde |
| 19:17.08 | pcj | *-it |
| 19:17.29 | laurly | {{guild|Apex|Garona|US|alliance|pve}} <--- so we add them maybe? |
| 19:17.42 | pcj | I would if it were unlocked for editing |
| 19:18.25 | laurly | alliance hord you can add but not the pve pvp one just yet. bot doesnt have that info unless i search the page for it but it has the faction when it scanns armory |
| 19:20.59 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Kirkburn#The_Golden_Kobold lolol |
| 19:21.24 | laurly | LOL |
| 19:21.55 | Ose | I can't wait to hear his reply :D |
| 19:24.45 | Ose | now, who else deserves one of those... |
| 19:28.15 | pcj | laurly does |
| 19:28.33 | laurly | pass im already crazy |
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| 19:34.44 | Amarande | G'afternoon :) |
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| 19:38.58 | Amarande | ok, what's the most efficient way to farm to 5000g? |
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| 19:40.14 | Ose | how much do you have? |
| 19:40.30 | Ose | http://auctioneeraddon.com/ = teh win |
| 19:40.39 | Ose | but you'll need something to start with |
| 19:41.45 | Amarande | heh, right now I have about 75g on one character and 10 on another |
| 19:42.01 | Amarande | I'm considering how long it would take if I just mined everywhere I could and sold metal |
| 19:42.16 | Amarande | (other than the fact that the entire server will hate me for it, since I have a flying mount and will be branded a ninja miner :S) |
| 19:42.17 | laurly | i did it mostly picking flowers and doing daily quests |
| 19:42.36 | Amarande | it's kinda hard to avoid being a ninja, though |
| 19:42.56 | Amarande | after all, unless you keep stopping to look up on the armory whether every character you see near a mining node is a miner or just a quester ... |
| 19:49.42 | Amarande | and finally I'm glad to be a Scryer, also |
| 19:49.47 | Amarande | lots of Scryer rep drops in Netherstorm :) |
| 19:49.53 | Amarande | which also happens to be my favorite zone now :) |
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| 20:07.56 | Adys | [20:01:16] <+laurly> hmmm why isnt adys a crazy person? |
| 20:08.08 | Adys | I am? |
| 20:08.25 | Adys | Foxlit: Whats up with JPG. |
| 20:09.13 | foxlit | Nothing, really? |
| 20:09.22 | Adys | why you slap :( |
| 20:09.44 | foxlit | Because suggesting it "needs to die" is silly |
| 20:10.28 | Adys | it does need to die |
| 20:10.44 | foxlit | Why, what's up with it? |
| 20:11.11 | Adys | because it's lossy in a silly way |
| 20:11.45 | foxlit | It's lossy in a _good_ way |
| 20:12.09 | Adys | we're in 2008 eh |
| 20:12.21 | Adys | I got a 1tb hard drive here |
| 20:12.29 | Adys | it costs 250 euros to have one of those nowadays, barely |
| 20:12.38 | Adys | we dont need lossy shit :P |
| 20:12.59 | Adys | id say the same for mp3 but image edition is more widespread than music edition |
| 20:13.04 | laurly | your not on the list adys http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Crazy_people :) |
| 20:13.08 | foxlit | "edition"? |
| 20:13.15 | Adys | editing* |
| 20:13.20 | Adys | laurly: ah :p |
| 20:13.24 | foxlit | PNG isn't really a viable alternative for photographs |
| 20:13.51 | foxlit | Well, scratch that |
| 20:14.06 | Adys | png is not, other raw formats are |
| 20:14.43 | foxlit | Name something :) |
| 20:14.50 | Adys | erm |
| 20:14.54 | Adys | RAW? for one? :p |
| 20:15.12 | foxlit | Yeah, go serve RAW files over the net |
| 20:15.12 | Adys | not that it has many standards behind it... |
| 20:15.33 | Adys | they get converted to png :p |
| 20:15.57 | foxlit | PNG is still ill-suited to transferring photographs over the net |
| 20:16.16 | Adys | disagreed |
| 20:16.39 | Adys | you got nothing against a screenshot of wow in png for example |
| 20:16.51 | Adys | yet it has more or less as many tones as a regular picture |
| 20:17.11 | foxlit | File size |
| 20:17.14 | Adys | thumbnails |
| 20:17.20 | foxlit | pointless? |
| 20:17.25 | Adys | dont care |
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| 20:17.53 | Adys | in ten years everyone will have 100mb or higher :/ |
| 20:18.07 | foxlit | And that is precisely why you need to be slapped with a trout |
| 20:18.58 | foxlit | Generally, I have nothing against wow screenshots in JPEG |
| 20:19.19 | Adys | i do |
| 20:19.33 | Adys | screenshots in jpg are too lossy |
| 20:19.39 | Adys | and if they are not, they are bigger than png |
| 20:19.59 | foxlit | You do understand that JPEG is aimed at photographs? |
| 20:20.20 | foxlit | And the areas that are "too lossy" to you are mostly few-pixel-high text? |
| 20:20.38 | Adys | that's like saying IE is aimed at people not using the net in its whole capacity |
| 20:20.50 | Adys | maybe it is |
| 20:21.15 | Adys | but since the majority uses it, every web dev and their dog thinks IE over standards |
| 20:21.21 | Adys | same here with jpg |
| 20:21.34 | foxlit | I think every web dev and their dog thinks FF over IE |
| 20:21.35 | Adys | everyone uses it because most dont even know they can save as png |
| 20:21.51 | Adys | if only :) |
| 20:22.16 | foxlit | You may be referring to people who lack an understanding what JPEG should be used for |
| 20:22.24 | foxlit | But in that case, the point is "idiots should die" |
| 20:22.28 | foxlit | Not "JPEG should die" |
| 20:22.51 | Adys | png is not ready for photographs ill give you that |
| 20:23.09 | Adys | but in 5 years everyone will have a decent connection, and a decent hard drive |
| 20:23.23 | Adys | no reason to worry about file size on images |
| 20:23.35 | foxlit | Adys: my turn for a misplaced metaphor |
| 20:23.52 | foxlit | That's like saying "Let's run Vista's DRM because processor advances means we can afford the wild waste of CPU cycles" |
| 20:24.31 | Adys | well to be honest with you |
| 20:24.39 | Adys | if the impact is invisible |
| 20:24.43 | Adys | why should we care? |
| 20:25.44 | foxlit | Because things could be so much better when you do care |
| 20:25.55 | Adys | okay look |
| 20:25.57 | foxlit | And not caring is worse than being clueless :) |
| 20:26.22 | Adys | lossy stuff in photographs is not really a problem usually |
| 20:26.30 | Adys | but it does become one after a few edits |
| 20:26.32 | Amarande | Adys: because DRM was invented by people like Illidan Stormrage? |
| 20:26.42 | foxlit | So, don't be an idiot |
| 20:26.47 | foxlit | And store your photographs in ra |
| 20:26.48 | foxlit | w |
| 20:26.50 | Amarande | no wait. Illidan deserves a hug compared to the guy who invented DRM :S |
| 20:26.54 | foxlit | Or whatever lossless format you want :) |
| 20:27.02 | Adys | ok |
| 20:27.11 | foxlit | But use the better standard when you have to transfer them to people whose primary focus is not editing them |
| 20:27.16 | Adys | so you`re also gonna tell the net to serve them as lossless format |
| 20:27.28 | Adys | so that they can caption lolcats without destroying the pic in paint? |
| 20:28.15 | foxlit | I'm not going to tell the net to do anything :) |
| 20:28.30 | foxlit | If you're editing, quality is your problem. |
| 20:28.36 | Adys | heck, Im one to think even layers should be stored in images |
| 20:29.03 | Amarande | as long as it doesn't include %#$&*@#&*@ing DRM. |
| 20:29.36 | foxlit | If you want to, store PSDs |
| 20:29.52 | Adys | psd is proprietary to the bone, why should I? |
| 20:29.56 | foxlit | There's no reason to use them to _DISPLAY_ content to people |
| 20:30.13 | Adys | svg, png, xcf (probably a modified version of it) |
| 20:30.26 | Adys | and there you are, you got three perfect all-around image formats for the net |
| 20:30.46 | foxlit | So what the heck do you serve photos in? |
| 20:30.51 | Adys | png? |
| 20:31.01 | foxlit | Great, we've been here. |
| 20:31.05 | foxlit | Size makes it impractical |
| 20:31.21 | Adys | tons of people serve screenshots of all kind of games in png |
| 20:31.32 | Adys | and most of these games are no different to regular photos for a computer |
| 20:31.41 | Adys | s/games/screenshots/ |
| 20:32.19 | Adys | if you click a giant 1600x1200 image, it's because you want to see it |
| 20:32.28 | Adys | you are ready to spend 5 seconds loading it |
| 20:32.43 | Adys | situationally, thumbnails are perfect |
| 20:32.54 | Adys | otherwise, just wait for it |
| 20:32.58 | foxlit | You're still missing the point |
| 20:33.09 | foxlit | JPEG works for LOOKING AT a 1600x1200 photograph |
| 20:33.18 | Adys | yeah |
| 20:33.19 | foxlit | PNG would be wasting time by a factor of 5 |
| 20:33.25 | Adys | no? |
| 20:33.29 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 20:33.36 | foxlit | Want to compress something to PNG for me? |
| 20:33.57 | Adys | right, ive been there before too you know |
| 20:34.01 | Amarande | bah, why *did* they nerf that quest in Netherstorm, anyway? |
| 20:34.18 | foxlit | It's not really showing :) |
| 20:34.18 | Adys | as i said, in five years everyone will have a good connection |
| 20:34.20 | Amarande | as if people without large guilds have enough trouble with getting stuck on group quests, they turned a solo one into a group with 2.1.0 |
| 20:34.49 | Adys | and go ahead and tell me you see the difference between a page of 30kb and of 120kb |
| 20:35.00 | Adys | during the 56k era you did |
| 20:35.02 | Adys | not now |
| 20:35.38 | foxlit | For the sizes you're describing, the difference is not 90kb |
| 20:35.45 | Adys | you dont get it |
| 20:35.50 | Adys | [21:34:19] <@Adys> as i said, in five years everyone will have a good connection |
| 20:36.00 | foxlit | And it's still a pointless waste of bandwidth that you've failed to justify |
| 20:36.27 | Amarande | to nerf a solo quest to make it a not as easy solo quest, fine. to nerf a group quest because it's too easy or too hard but remains group, fine. to nerf a group quest so it can be soloed, probably also fine, 2.3 wasn't so bad in that regard |
| 20:36.31 | Amarande | but to nerf a solo quest so it needs a group? |
| 20:36.34 | Amarande | why, Blizzard? |
| 20:37.02 | Adys | foxlit |
| 20:37.06 | foxlit | You don't really need to be in a group to finish a group quest :) |
| 20:37.30 | Adys | People who serve gigantic jpg images right now, they can afford doing so |
| 20:37.32 | Amarande | foxlit: the robot one in Netherstorm apparently pretty much 100% needs a group now |
| 20:37.47 | Adys | in five, ten years, they wont give a damn about the bandwidth difference |
| 20:37.48 | Amarande | they took out the bot's healing ability with 2.1, for no good reason people can think of other than to make it a group quest instead of a solo |
| 20:38.00 | foxlit | Amarande: ah, the bot. |
| 20:38.02 | Amarande | odd, since the rest of the chain *is* all solo |
| 20:38.05 | Amarande | what was the point of that? |
| 20:38.28 | Ose | lol, "Allergic to bear Druids." |
| 20:38.45 | Amarande | it seems they want to go out of their way to punish people for having small friendly guilds instead of concentrating into big businesslike ones |
| 20:39.12 | foxlit | Adys: so let's use inefficient formats, yeah, that's it. |
| 20:39.15 | Amarande | (I rarely see a large friendly guild. Most of them are heavily based around organizing progression raids ... I've only seen one or two that are not) |
| 20:39.21 | Adys | png is not inefficient |
| 20:39.24 | Adys | it's lossless |
| 20:39.35 | foxlit | A quality which is very frequently not needed for photographs |
| 20:39.50 | Adys | thats what movie editors said |
| 20:40.03 | Adys | thats what music bands kept saying too |
| 20:40.06 | foxlit | (seen a lossless movie format?) |
| 20:40.15 | Adys | how do you think they edit it? |
| 20:40.25 | myke54142 | png is good for screenshots |
| 20:40.30 | Adys | do you remember vhs or? |
| 20:40.32 | myke54142 | much better than jpeg |
| 20:40.47 | myke54142 | png is good when the source is already rasterized, or line art |
| 20:41.02 | Adys | (svg for line art) |
| 20:41.18 | myke54142 | i mean for scans of line art |
| 20:41.27 | Adys | oh |
| 20:41.36 | myke54142 | postscript for line art :) |
| 20:41.39 | myke54142 | tiger.ps ftw |
| 20:42.05 | myke54142 | it's too bad display postscript and postscript oriented drawing apps never took off |
| 20:42.17 | myke54142 | the format was ahead of its time by far |
| 20:42.48 | myke54142 | svg has the same problem, no adoption |
| 20:42.55 | Adys | untrue |
| 20:43.22 | Adys | most browsers can display svg for one |
| 20:43.27 | Adys | i wouldnt say the same for ps :) |
| 20:43.52 | Adys | besides, wikipedia has done hell of a lot to promote it and keeps doing so, helps a LOT |
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| 20:50.48 | Ose | hmm... |
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| 20:51.15 | Ose | sky :) |
| 20:52.47 | Ose | laurly? what are you going to do about that raid alliance thingy issue (on your talk)? |
| 20:53.04 | laurly | eah? |
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| 20:54.04 | laurly | nothing its up to them to mark it {GOG} if they cant do that its not the bots falut they told it it was a guild |
| 20:54.16 | laurly | bot ignores anhthing taged gog |
| 20:54.25 | Ose | gog? |
| 20:54.29 | Ose | which means? |
| 20:54.50 | Ose | Guild O--- G--- ? |
| 20:54.52 | Sky2042_afk | group of guilds |
| 20:54.57 | Ose | ooookie |
| 20:55.05 | Sky2042 | don't ask me where the term came from. |
| 20:55.12 | laurly | This article is a a group of guilds information page |
| 20:55.17 | Sky2042 | i moved into the server space. i'll delete the guild rd |
| 20:55.22 | Ose | kk |
| 20:55.54 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev3/WoW is kewl |
| 20:55.57 | Amarande | btw, any way the bot can start looking at guild info on the armory and deal with ridiculously out of date raid progressions accordingly? :) |
| 20:56.23 | laurly | how do you want to find out what there curent raid progress is? |
| 20:56.27 | Amarande | like maybe tag the page with something like "According to Armory data, this guild has progressed to at least: Black Temple. Information on this page may be out of date" |
| 20:56.34 | Sky2042 | Amarande: no, we aren't going to be WoWJutsu -_- |
| 20:56.43 | laurly | thank you Sky2042 |
| 20:56.44 | Amarande | laurly: the usual means is by checking the origins of any epic items members have |
| 20:57.01 | laurly | Amarande yeah but its not acurate if you import someone in the guild with that gear from another guild |
| 20:57.18 | Kyrin | wouldn't work for my guild |
| 20:57.31 | laurly | i would like to consider dumping guild pages that havent been edited by anything but a bot in 6months |
| 20:57.41 | Kyrin | we don't raid as a guild, we raid as an alliance, 30+ raids across 11 guilds |
| 20:57.44 | Amarande | I still find it amusing that our server's top horde guild's page is listed as "just starting weekly raids in BWL" lol |
| 20:57.44 | Kyrin | or more I think |
| 20:57.54 | laurly | brb pulling |
| 20:59.31 | Amarande | Fusion are awesome, they actually even show respect in chat channels for people who are good at the game but undergeared :) |
| 21:00.16 | Amarande | unlike some folks ... I was helping someone with a group quest in NS yesterday and he says "transfer to _____ and ask for an invite to _____ they take warlocks in green gear" which seemed a little bit derisive in its tone lol |
| 21:01.11 | Amarande | the impression I got was that since I wear green gear, I'm being regarded as a scrub :P |
| 21:04.04 | pcj | well you are |
| 21:05.16 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Illidan_van_beethoven.jpg |
| 21:05.19 | Sky2042 | xD |
| 21:05.23 | Sky2042 | so true |
| 21:05.54 | laurly | you want to move all the GoG pages the bot finds? shes found a few |
| 21:06.27 | Sky2042 | laurly: i'm sorting through the category. i'm probably the most dependant checker, so i should catch them after the bot does. :] |
| 21:06.33 | Sky2042 | unless they're tagged with GOG? |
| 21:06.49 | laurly | the bot has them stored in the dabase if it was taged gog she ignores it. |
| 21:07.04 | Sky2042 | um... |
| 21:09.39 | laurly | msged you what it has. |
| 21:10.20 | Sky2042 | why is kb not on? :( |
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| 21:11.52 | Krolmor|Dcd | g'day |
| 21:11.57 | pcj | hola |
| 21:12.02 | pcj | sky he's in san francisco, busy |
| 21:12.20 | Sky2042 | pcj: he's editing right now -_- |
| 21:12.39 | pcj | he probably doesn't want to spam the channel with his frequent dcs because of his laptop fan |
| 21:12.58 | pcj | ~seen kirkburn |
| 21:13.00 | infobot | kirkburn <n=Kirkburn@adsl-68-121-160-51.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 3h 39m ago, saying: 'I'll be back later'. |
| 21:13.12 | Krolmor | is there a channel to discuss RP? I'd like to find a good RP server - been wanting to try it out |
| 21:13.21 | pcj | <@Kirkburn> *sigh*, laptop fan is going crazy again |
| 21:13.21 | pcj | <@Kirkburn> I'll be back later |
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| 21:23.14 | Ose | w00t! Liverpool R teh winz |
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| 21:34.52 | Krolmor | is there any particular benefit to rolling a hunter as dwarf instead of NE ? (on a pvp server) |
| 21:36.32 | Keolah | stoneskin is marginally useful? |
| 21:37.05 | pcj | + gun skill |
| 21:37.29 | Keolah | NE racials are kinda jank... whee, help you hide and help you get back to your corpse when you die. :p |
| 21:37.42 | Krolmor | sure, but seeing as the better endgame weaps are bows (aren't they?) .. |
| 21:37.52 | Krolmor | lol Keolah |
| 21:37.54 | Keolah | There's some nice guns too. |
| 21:38.09 | Krolmor | I was wondering if shadowmeld wouldn't be a little bit useful for world pvp |
| 21:38.48 | Keolah | Probably a bit, I dunno, I haven't really bothered with it. |
| 21:39.03 | Krolmor | :o |
| 21:39.16 | Keolah | I mean, I don't play a pvp server ;p |
| 21:39.44 | Krolmor | also... I've been trying very hard to find a PvP server without much endgame progression to join - does anyone havea recommendation? |
| 21:39.50 | Keolah | ... and I think I have a hunter of every race except dwarf. |
| 21:40.00 | Krolmor | the hate! |
| 21:40.09 | Keolah | Nah, just most of my chars are female and female dwarves are scary. |
| 21:40.16 | Krolmor | ...yeah |
| 21:42.36 | Amarande | Afternoon Keolah :) |
| 21:42.38 | Krolmor | EST = GMT -4 correct? |
| 21:42.43 | Amarande | and Krolmor, who cares what weapons races start with |
| 21:42.52 | Amarande | it's what, 10, 20 silver to learn the other ones your class is eligible for? :) |
| 21:43.27 | Krolmor | I don't really, but I was just wondering if racials could be very important endgame (not that I'll ever get there) |
| 21:43.46 | Amarande | Krolmor: racials tend to be more important in PvP than PvE |
| 21:43.59 | Amarande | Keolah, are they as scary as gnomes, though? :) |
| 21:44.06 | Keolah | Gnomes are just pure evil. |
| 21:44.40 | Amarande | Personally, I find I usually only use my racials much really early on in the newbie areas, once I start actually having most of my class skills I rarely use the racials |
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| 21:45.03 | Amarande | and this is as a BE, who arguably have one of the most useful racials in the game |
| 21:45.18 | Keolah | Gift of the Naaru isn't terrible so far as racials go, either. |
| 21:45.33 | foxlit | Shadowmeld is <3 |
| 21:45.47 | Krolmor | ^there we go |
| 21:46.06 | foxlit | Perception is virtually useless in pve, though |
| 21:46.09 | Keolah | I really should make a dwarf hunter sometime. |
| 21:46.16 | foxlit | Diplomacy eats it alive, however. |
| 21:46.19 | Keolah | Indeed. |
| 21:46.23 | pcj | i have 257 days 17 hours 17 minutes /played on my character |
| 21:46.32 | Keolah | My human rogue is almost looking forward to grinding ogres in Nagrand. :P |
| 21:47.06 | Krolmor | I just need to find a pvp server where people actually do world pvp |
| 21:47.07 | Amarande | Keolah: JC? |
| 21:47.13 | Keolah | Yup. |
| 21:47.20 | Amarande | Yeah, I have that in my future too on Alvaerin |
| 21:47.31 | Amarande | exalted with Consortium is not optional :) |
| 21:47.37 | Krolmor | or huge raids in towns... jeebus it was so fun to watch them back 2 years ago |
| 21:47.37 | Keolah | hehe |
| 21:47.54 | Keolah | But right now.. my bf is napping, so I have headcrabs to kill. |
| 21:48.20 | Amarande | right now, I'm questing in Netherstorm and will probably stop to grind angry blood elves until exalted |
| 21:48.30 | Amarande | it always gives me a bit of a shudder when I kill a female blood elf though :| |
| 21:48.38 | Keolah | They enjoy it, really. |
| 21:48.45 | Amarande | well, my character IS a female blood elf |
| 21:48.46 | Amarande | so |
| 21:48.51 | Amarande | I keep thinking of all the various times I've died, lol |
| 21:48.53 | Keolah | (Now, succubi, you can _really_ tell they enjoy the pain a bit much.) |
| 21:49.24 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Alvaerin <-- me |
| 21:51.10 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:51.23 | Amarande | should I use my talasites and dawnstones to my advantage later, or shall I just make them into resilience gems and sell em |
| 21:51.45 | Krolmor | zomg hakz +0 mp5 |
| 21:51.50 | Amarande | Krolmor: armory bug |
| 21:52.01 | Keolah | hehe |
| 21:52.03 | Amarande | it actually has 17 stam, 11 int, and 4 mp5 |
| 21:52.07 | Krolmor | I know :) it just creeps me out every time I spot it :D |
| 21:53.25 | Keolah | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shandris&n=Scregor <-- my poor, confused pally. |
| 21:53.33 | Kyrin | so, I'm not seeing in the config stuff how I can access a character page using their name instead of c:### |
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| 21:53.54 | Amarande | btw, how's my affliction spec look (I think I got it from the wiki to begin with) |
| 21:54.15 | Amarande | Keolah: Vendor gems FTL :S |
| 21:54.20 | Keolah | and don't even ask about poor Scregor's spec. |
| 21:54.34 | Amarande | too bad you're not on horde Turalyon |
| 21:54.40 | Amarande | I have tons of extra gems I could send your way |
| 21:54.56 | Amarande | mostly because everyone grinds jc on the same gems, so nobody can really sell any on the AH lol |
| 21:55.00 | Keolah | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shandris&n=Ariake <-- my JC I'm currently leveling up. |
| 21:55.42 | Amarande | ahh, you're almost up to the ugly stage |
| 21:55.59 | Amarande | I remember 260+ and especially 290+ to really be a pain |
| 21:56.11 | Keolah | Yeah, I need to go make some thorium settings, and then wince when they turn green :P |
| 21:56.21 | Keolah | Was working on getting lockpicking up this morning. |
| 21:56.39 | Amarande | after 300, it gets easy because then you just prospect all your adamantite and fel iron and keep cutting everything, but 290-300 is painful |
| 21:56.45 | Amarande | even if you're rich, it's painful |
| 21:57.05 | Amarande | mainly because you need huge emeralds for -everything- and there usually aren't even enough on AH |
| 21:57.19 | Keolah | I need to get Scregor's blacksmithing up sometime, too, but it's gotten to the "slightly painful" stage, too ;p |
| 21:57.21 | Amarande | still remember 299 |
| 21:57.38 | Amarande | I had plenty of gold on hand at the time ... plenty of other mats ... and I was stuck for a day or so because there wasn't a huge emerald to be found |
| 21:57.54 | Amarande | (and I didn't really feel like spending the entire evening circling Burning Steppes) |
| 21:58.01 | Keolah | hehe |
| 21:58.13 | Amarande | by "slightly painful" you mean "have to circle all the way round burning steppes to get the thorium for one skill up"? |
| 21:58.33 | Keolah | Nah, he's at the point where everything that would raise his skill reliably requires primal stuff. |
| 21:58.40 | Amarande | Ahh, that point. |
| 21:58.44 | Amarande | Makes me glad to be a JC. |
| 21:59.01 | Keolah | My other level 70 is a miner/skinner. Yay, easy-to-max professions! :P |
| 21:59.16 | Keolah | .. maxed before leaving Zangarmarsh, heh. :P |
| 21:59.55 | Keolah | *snicker* |
| 22:00.21 | Amarande | I should probably only need to spend another ... hmm, however much ten Earthstorm Diamonds cost to max JC |
| 22:00.30 | Amarande | I think I maxed mining in Nagrand |
| 22:00.58 | Amarande | which surprises me, because when I first got there I'm like "good god, there's no mining nodes here :S" |
| 22:01.05 | Keolah | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shandris&n=Felisha <-- Night elves might have useless racials, but they're sexy. :p |
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| 22:01.42 | Amarande | Ahh, my hunter's an orc, and has BS/Engineering |
| 22:02.12 | Amarande | which means Alvaerin has a LOT of mining to do, on the one hand, but on the other hand it should make it not matter so much that hunters are often discriminated against in instance groups |
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| 22:02.38 | Amarande | Since BS/Eng means that he'll be pretty decked out in purples just from crafting (armorsmith spec) |
| 22:03.13 | Keolah | Hunters are, however, quite good in soloing and small groups, which is the majority of what I do. |
| 22:03.40 | Amarande | I do almost all soloing, due mainly to guild being too small, even if friendly and helpful when people are around |
| 22:03.52 | Keolah | I primarily just play with my bf. |
| 22:04.04 | pcj | kinky |
| 22:04.10 | Keolah | *smirk* |
| 22:04.16 | Amarande | I could go hang with my old GW buddies who also have dual WoW guilds |
| 22:04.21 | Keolah | And for most non-instance stuff, a hunter pet makes a perfectly fine tank. |
| 22:04.40 | Amarande | but I like my 70, and their horde guild is on a PvP server so I can't xfer there |
| 22:04.52 | Keolah | heh |
| 22:05.15 | Amarande | besides, 5000g is enough of a pain to get when you only have to worry about competing with ninja miners |
| 22:05.40 | Amarande | it's gotta be even worse when you have to worry about competing with ninja miners who will not only take your node but kill you as well :) |
| 22:06.15 | Keolah | Even so, killing certain elites can be... interesting. I remember when me and my bf killed that overlord in Hellfire, whassisname, Arazzius the Cruel? with our hunter and feral druid... |
| 22:06.15 | Amarande | and while I'm patient enough to have the fast flying mount itself |
| 22:06.24 | Amarande | I still have to pay the 5000g, since I want to do the netherwing stuff |
| 22:06.48 | Amarande | I remember the quest was [63G] Cruel's Intentions but I can't remember the boss name offhand |
| 22:06.48 | Krolmor | ok, someone slap my face and tell me to roll a dwarf hunter please... >.> |
| 22:07.15 | Amarande | I had a mostly easy time with Hellfire, though, most of the problems I had were because I was trying to rush because I hated that zone |
| 22:07.17 | Keolah | make a female night elf and run around naked. ;P |
| 22:07.24 | Krolmor | lol :p |
| 22:07.35 | Krolmor | I love teldrassil.... |
| 22:07.38 | Keolah | Heh. Yeah, it's kind of depressing. |
| 22:07.38 | Amarande | HFP is probably my single least favorite zone in the game |
| 22:07.49 | Keolah | And Fel Reavers are heart-attack-inducing. |
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| 22:08.00 | Amarande | Not even just fel reavers. |
| 22:08.06 | Amarande | Patting elites all over the damned place in general. |
| 22:08.37 | Amarande | Don't think I've ever been to Teldrassil |
| 22:08.52 | Keolah | But yeah. Our strategy for killing that guy consisted of "druid goes cat form, pet tanks until it dies, druid goes bear form and tanks, hunter rezzes pet, then keep hitting the damned thing and hope it does before the druid does" :P |
| 22:08.54 | Amarande | my only Alliance characters have been Draenei who never leveled far, and my Horde characters have never had reason to go there :) |
| 22:09.06 | Amarande | Don't think I've even SEEN Teldrassil, while I've at least flown over Dun Morogh and Elwynn |
| 22:09.20 | Krolmor | oh man |
| 22:09.27 | Krolmor | it's so green and peaceful T_T |
| 22:09.30 | Keolah | I went to Teldrassil once on a troll hunter at level 10, to tame an owl. |
| 22:09.37 | Keolah | It was not peaceful for a troll. |
| 22:09.39 | Keolah | :) |
| 22:09.41 | Krolmor | LOL |
| 22:09.44 | Amarande | yeah, owls are a tad hard to get for lower level horde |
| 22:09.57 | Amarande | I don't think you really get access to nice looking owls in normal questing areas till ... Winterspring? |
| 22:10.13 | Keolah | Felwood's got the same gray sort as Teldrassil. |
| 22:10.21 | Krolmor | geez, half the pets in petopia are no longer tamable |
| 22:10.21 | Keolah | I like the look of the white ones better, though. |
| 22:10.30 | Amarande | Ahh ... I always had a hard time telling if the Felwood owls were sick like the other Felwood animals |
| 22:11.00 | Amarande | heh, you can't even get a ghost wolf anymore |
| 22:11.01 | Keolah | But if I get that troll hunter up to Outland, I'd like to tame one of those nice brown-gold owls. |
| 22:11.11 | Amarande | though I'm really more after the red-brown wolf eventually on my hunter |
| 22:11.18 | Amarande | which may be even rarer than the ghostwolf in practice |
| 22:11.20 | Krolmor | yeah, it saddened me to see one in town the other day :/ I'll never get ont |
| 22:11.22 | Krolmor | one* |
| 22:11.39 | Krolmor | which wolf is that? |
| 22:11.40 | Keolah | In practice, the "rare" pets are things like spiders that hardly anyone actually uses :P |
| 22:11.43 | Amarande | lots of people went for the ghostwolf due to the good ol' "everyone likes the novelty so now it's not one anymore" |
| 22:11.55 | Amarande | Krolmor: the kind like are in Burning Steppes, and I think in one part of BEM |
| 22:12.03 | Krolmor | cool |
| 22:12.04 | Amarande | but those are the *only* places you find them, pretty much |
| 22:12.05 | Keolah | I've gotten many compliments on my draenei hunter's bat. |
| 22:12.13 | Amarande | and as no one actually goes to Burning Steppes anymore other than miners and warlocks ... |
| 22:12.19 | Keolah | It was interesting to go to Tirisfal Glades to tame a bat at level 10, too. :P |
| 22:12.24 | Keolah | With a draenei. |
| 22:12.30 | Krolmor | I love the skin on Humar |
| 22:12.41 | Keolah | Humar's got a pretty skin, yeah, it's a pity EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER has one. :p |
| 22:12.45 | Amarande | At least Tirisfal is less hostile than getting to NE/Draenei low level areas though |
| 22:12.55 | Krolmor | true |
| 22:13.06 | Amarande | Currently though, Amaagnar uses a furry green spider. |
| 22:13.08 | Krolmor | not sure if alliance side is fulla Humars though |
| 22:13.08 | Keolah | It's either him, or Echeyakee, or the ghost saber, seems like. |
| 22:13.14 | Keolah | Yep. :p |
| 22:13.22 | Amarande | And really, I start to wonder, why are spiders unpopular anyway? |
| 22:13.28 | Keolah | And I've seen more with Echeyakee's than is even sane. |
| 22:13.35 | Keolah | Because they've got crap skills. |
| 22:13.40 | Amarande | they're an easy tame compared to many pets because the mobs lack special abilities (unlike *UGH* carrion birds I HATE SWOOP) |
| 22:13.45 | Keolah | They can't dash and their only attack is bite. |
| 22:13.54 | Keolah | Easy to tame isn't generally a consideration. |
| 22:14.00 | Keolah | Except for certain things like Shy'Rotam. |
| 22:14.01 | Krolmor | never seen soop in action... is it something like rush? |
| 22:14.05 | Krolmor | swoop* |
| 22:14.08 | Amarande | they have good DPS without being below baseline in any other areas |
| 22:14.32 | Amarande | I can't think of a skin that isn't easily obtained without having to worry about the caster pet distinction, and most skins are available without needing to be super high level |
| 22:14.32 | Keolah | But some pets, like spiders, would make much better pets if they actually had any actual skills. Why don't spiders have any sort of web or poison skill? Ugh. |
| 22:14.51 | Amarande | ehh, to me a lack of species skills has its advantages |
| 22:15.10 | Keolah | But that didn't stop my bf from taming one for one of his hunters, either. Hehe. |
| 22:15.17 | Amarande | you can feel free to go all out on defensive abilities without thinking "gee, should I have saved some TP for (whatever)?" |
| 22:15.22 | Keolah | hehe |
| 22:15.43 | Amarande | plus the defensive abilities are actually buyable :) |
| 22:15.48 | Keolah | I'm rather fond of bats and birds, though. Screech is pretty nice... exceptwhen leveling in Un'goro crater and you accidentally aggro a stone guardian. |
| 22:15.51 | laurly | whats this wow talk in #wowwiki..... thats a new one |
| 22:15.59 | Amarande | no having to stable the pet and be super vulnerable to tame something just to grab an ability and throw away the pet again |
| 22:16.25 | Amarande | Ouch. I wasn't aware you could aggro the stone guardians with screech :| |
| 22:16.45 | Amarande | heck I used a voidwalker all the way up and I don't remember Suffering giving me issues with them |
| 22:17.09 | Keolah | My 70 hunter has a cat, though. Yet another purple Winterspring cat. :P I thought they were so pretty, but now I'm thinking of switching back to the white-on-black striped skin that I leveled up to 60 with :p |
| 22:17.20 | Amarande | Birds look awesome, but I'm still trying to figure out how you deal in any reasonably convenient manner with the fact that most birds have a stun |
| 22:17.29 | Keolah | Freezing trap :p |
| 22:17.43 | Amarande | especially since my understanding of Tame Pet's "if you lose the beast's attention" part to mean that having the pet-to-be be tanked is not allowed |
| 22:18.19 | Amarande | I love Winterspring. I just hope Northrend isn't ALL going to look like that though |
| 22:18.21 | Keolah | Put down freezing trap, concussive shot at max range, start taming. |
| 22:18.32 | Keolah | If you really want to make sure not to get hit ;p |
| 22:18.52 | Amarande | yeah, not getting hit is a big issue with birds |
| 22:19.07 | Keolah | And if you're really paranoid, you can put some terrain obstacles in the way and watch them try to make their way around. |
| 22:19.07 | Amarande | most other pets, if you're geared enough, just stand there and take the beating ... the reason I worry with birds is that they have the stupid swoop skill |
| 22:19.26 | Keolah | Yeah, similar problem if you want a white bear at a low level, with Mangeclaw. |
| 22:19.32 | Amarande | at least tame pet doesn't have pushback though :) |
| 22:20.01 | Keolah | What's annoying? |
| 22:20.11 | Keolah | One of the tauren hunter taming quests involves killing a freaking swoop :P |
| 22:20.18 | Keolah | THAT was a pain in the ass ;p |
| 22:20.25 | pcj | fuck swoops |
| 22:20.35 | Amarande | yeah, especially if you do it right away I suppose |
| 22:20.41 | Amarande | sometimes it helps to delay things a bit |
| 22:20.48 | Amarande | like with my warlock, I didn't pick up my voidwalker till level 14 |
| 22:21.00 | Keolah | Yeah, and since you'll usually want a pet as soon as possible unless you're already grouping a lot... |
| 22:21.15 | Amarande | (mainly, though, that was because I was following pre-planned quest circuits, and was waiting till I would actually be in the right area before I did the warlock quest at the same time) |
| 22:21.16 | Keolah | Took me 5 tries to get that damned swoop tamed, I had to go back to get another taming rod :p |
| 22:21.58 | Amarande | I try quite hard to avoid going out of my way to a place to do just one quest. |
| 22:22.00 | Keolah | And then I was stubborn enough not to tame a temp pet and just tame the pet I wanted, and had to hang around its spawn area for like an hour... but I really wnated that pink tallstrider :P |
| 22:22.13 | Amarande | Especially if I know I can get other quests in the same spot if I wait. |
| 22:22.20 | Krolmor | crap... spiders only have... bite? |
| 22:22.21 | Keolah | Yeah. |
| 22:22.31 | Krolmor | that's just messed up. |
| 22:22.33 | Amarande | Like I said, spiders are probably best used as tanks |
| 22:22.44 | Amarande | because the lack of extra skills means you can pile on the passives |
| 22:22.47 | Keolah | Every pet makes a good tank, though. |
| 22:23.06 | Amarande | pets that actually have skills, you have to decide if you want to sacrifice some passives to actually let them know them |
| 22:23.11 | Krolmor | well yeah |
| 22:23.23 | Krolmor | to me, not having any kind of dash kills the pet |
| 22:23.37 | Krolmor | it's so annoying, ugh |
| 22:23.38 | Keolah | Heh, my cat's got max lvel in natural armor, and still knows max ranks of all the other cat skills available ;p |
| 22:23.46 | Amarande | in outland, I'm probably going to want to keep shadow and fire resistance as high as I can on any pet |
| 22:23.56 | Keolah | It's not really too bad. You can take a talent in beast mastery to raise its movement speed. |
| 22:24.01 | Keolah | If you really must ;p |
| 22:24.18 | Krolmor | hmm |
| 22:24.21 | Keolah | I think it's 1 point for a 30% movement increase? |
| 22:24.27 | Keolah | That's what my bf did with his spider pet. |
| 22:24.42 | Krolmor | you know when you want to play so bad, but you also just wanna learn the class so bad and think about all the awesomeness that you can do in game? |
| 22:24.44 | Keolah | Nice thing about it is that it's a permanent increase, and you don't need to wait for it to cooldown like wit hdash at times ;p |
| 22:24.51 | Keolah | heh |
| 22:24.55 | Krolmor | ;p |
| 22:25.07 | Amarande | I also start to wonder if marksmanship might be a better spec if I want to do more instancing |
| 22:25.24 | Keolah | I'm far too fond of beast mastery, myself. |
| 22:25.27 | Amarande | Pets suck in instances :S |
| 22:25.50 | Keolah | Ugh, I remember this time me and some friends failed at doing Ragefire Chasm... :p |
| 22:25.51 | Amarande | I prefer to have a human player to cuss out when we overpull and wipe, lol |
| 22:25.58 | Amarande | How do you fail at RFC! |
| 22:26.08 | Keolah | Guy playing blood elf pally was like "I don't know when to use righteous defense"... |
| 22:26.10 | Krolmor | the usual is to have 2 pets and one slot free to learn skills? |
| 22:26.14 | Keolah | I told him "When my mage is getting beaten on :P" |
| 22:26.36 | Amarande | Keolah, that may be partly your fault |
| 22:26.43 | Keolah | Krolmor - Personally I generally only have one permanent pet on a char. |
| 22:26.45 | Amarande | I always cringe when we have a mage in an instance group, especially in Azeroth |
| 22:26.58 | Amarande | Especially when I have to heal :S |
| 22:27.15 | Keolah | And the hunter was constantly trying to tank with his pet and forgetting to keep mend pet up, and the pally didn't realize that if he's not tanking, he really should be healing the poor pet too :p |
| 22:27.18 | Krolmor | but you can have up to three at any time? or am I off and it's 2? |
| 22:27.27 | Amarande | 3 |
| 22:27.41 | Krolmor | ah ty |
| 22:27.52 | Keolah | Basically, it wound down to me constantly telling everyone else in the group how to play their classes because they were such noobs ;p |
| 22:27.55 | Amarande | another fun thing about being a warlock. :) |
| 22:27.57 | Krolmor | JEEBUS! I can't decide to roll dwarf or ne! |
| 22:28.03 | Amarande | Keolah: you DID make sure not to pull aggro, right? |
| 22:28.03 | Keolah | make both. |
| 22:28.22 | Amarande | the reason I cringe over mages in instance groups in Azeroth is twofold, basically |
| 22:28.27 | Keolah | When I could, and I was good about sheeping extras and not the things they were attacking at the time, etc ;p |
| 22:28.28 | Krolmor | Keolah: yer killing me -.- |
| 22:28.46 | Amarande | 1) Everyone specs for DPS on the way up, so mages are giving 110%, with that much threat coming out of them |
| 22:28.48 | Krolmor | (how do you put that little highlight on someone's name anyway) |
| 22:28.59 | Amarande | 2) Almost no one, other than some Paladins specs for tanking on the way up, so the tank is NOT giving 110% ... |
| 22:29.00 | Keolah | Most of the time, we wiped because the pet died because they forgot to heal it :p |
| 22:29.26 | Amarande | Keolah: Could be worse. In GW when a pet dies, the ranger's skills get put on a cooldown that depends on their beast mastery spec |
| 22:29.37 | Keolah | The pet held aggro just fine most of the time, even against my mage's spells... they just forgot about mend pet and idiot pally forgot he could heal. |
| 22:30.20 | Amarande | Anyway I still remember the time in ZF where we kept wiping because the mage kept screwing up |
| 22:30.28 | Amarande | pulling aggro, pulling too many scarabs ... |
| 22:30.46 | Amarande | meanwhile I was trying to heal the whole thing |
| 22:30.55 | Amarande | and not being able to give my 100% for that, because I wasn't specced for healing |
| 22:31.03 | Keolah | I hate when pallies are relegated to "healers in plate", but in that case, the pet was holding aggro far, far better than he was without even trying to ;p |
| 22:31.11 | Keolah | ... once IDIOT HUNTER realized all pets could learn growl... |
| 22:31.18 | Amarande | oh yeah, wich means, there's a third reason to dislike mages in instance groups ... |
| 22:31.48 | Amarande | 3) Not only is the leveling-up spec world such that most of the time the mage will be giving 110% and the tank will not, but the healer often isn't giving their all either, because heal specs suck for leveling even more than tanking specs do. |
| 22:31.59 | Keolah | Y'know, I'd really like to make a prot warrior sometime, but I really don't want to level up as prot and I hate planning to respec :p |
| 22:32.00 | Amarande | I mean, I'm actually leveling my warrior as prot, and it's not going so bad |
| 22:32.13 | Amarande | while I would have HATED leveling my priest as holy ... shadow is hard enough |
| 22:32.44 | Keolah | I leveled my troll priest as disc. Because I wanted to be different. ;p |
| 22:32.57 | Krolmor | naxx spiders are no longer tameable either jeebus |
| 22:33.19 | Amarande | Shadow is like being a warlock, except you have only one fire and forget DoT, you don't have a minion, your "active cast" DoT has no pushback resistance talent, your shadowbolt type spell may be stronger but has a horrid cooldown ... |
| 22:33.32 | Keolah | heh |
| 22:33.44 | Amarande | you also don't have a really viable secondary element for dealing with things like vacillating voidcallers, either |
| 22:33.58 | Adys | lol naxx spiders used to be tameable? |
| 22:34.13 | Krolmor | at some point, i think so |
| 22:34.43 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:34.54 | Amarande | in the time it takes to get a naxx group, you could tame a darkmist recluse and level it to 61 |
| 22:35.01 | Krolmor | lol |
| 22:35.18 | Keolah | My draenei priest, though, is leveling up as shadow. With my bf's like 5 millionth hunter :p |
| 22:35.28 | Amarande | hell, I leveled pretty much all the way through 61 while waiting for groups for the dungeons for my dreadsteed quest |
| 22:35.38 | Amarande | I actually dinged 62 in Dire Maul, and only started questing in HFP at 62 |
| 22:35.58 | Amarande | this proved to be a very good thing |
| 22:36.00 | Krolmor | zarakh is probably over-ppulated too isnt it |
| 22:36.05 | Krolmor | zarakh skin i mean |
| 22:36.13 | Amarande | because I ended up losing back most of the "advantage" due to not being able to instance in Outland |
| 22:36.37 | Amarande | most people seem to be able to hit 70 in BEM and have all of NS and SMV for gold, I had to do some quests in NS to hit 70 |
| 22:36.58 | Amarande | the only time I've had a chance to instance in Outland with Alvaerin has been one time in Mana Tombs |
| 22:37.21 | Amarande | Keolah: what zone are you usually up to in Outland when you hit 70, since you seem not to group much? |
| 22:37.48 | Keolah | Generally do a bit of both Netherstorm and Shadowmoon but haven't finished either. |
| 22:37.58 | Keolah | Everything else, finished all normal quests. |
| 22:38.20 | Keolah | And I group all the time, just with only my bf most of the time. |
| 22:38.23 | Krolmor | can you tame those little dragons in redridge? |
| 22:38.27 | Amarande | Ahh. Did pretty much all the nongroup quests in earlier zones, a few of the group quests, and still had to do several quests in NS to hit 70 even though I started Outland at 62 |
| 22:38.30 | Keolah | Nope, they're dragonkin, not beasts. |
| 22:38.39 | Krolmor | aw. |
| 22:38.57 | Amarande | I think the only nongroup quests I'm missing that I can think of are in BEM |
| 22:39.34 | Keolah | My hunter skipped Eastern Plaguelands, and had done most of Netherstorm and a bit of Shadowmoon when she dinged. My pally had done EPL, Silithus, and Winterspring, and was only like halfway through Netherstorm when he hit 70. |
| 22:39.36 | Amarande | (excluding the remaining NS and SMV quests - only things I've done in SMV are turn in the goto quest from Nutral and the goto quest from Nagrand, got my 225 riding and the FP there) |
| 22:40.06 | Amarande | I did a fair amount in Silithus and almost everything in Plaguelands, dinged 61 while in Silithus |
| 22:40.17 | Amarande | (and I was surprised, as I didn't think it was reasonable to get past 60 in Azeroth) |
| 22:40.36 | Keolah | Yeah, pally was 61 by the time we got sick of EPL, there were still a couple things left to do there but we didn't care to do em. |
| 22:40.47 | Keolah | Damned place is depressing. :P |
| 22:40.55 | Amarande | 61 was mostly grind, plus a bunch of xp from the dreadsteed questline. Stood around farming for Crusader enchant while waiting for the instance groups I needed |
| 22:41.02 | myke54142 | i stopped doing any quests as soon as i hit 70 |
| 22:41.08 | myke54142 | not much point in it |
| 22:41.10 | Amarande | myke54142: gold |
| 22:41.16 | Keolah | Lots and lots of gold. |
| 22:41.20 | Amarande | you get like 10+ gold per quest at 70 |
| 22:41.30 | Amarande | plus the sale of any useless reward items, and what you kill |
| 22:41.41 | Keolah | My 70s have all been regularly doing primarily the daily cooking quest and bombing kaliri eggs since they hit 70. |
| 22:41.56 | Keolah | But I keep meaning to go through and finish up the regular quests in Netherstorm and Shadowmoon sometime. |
| 22:41.59 | Amarande | too bad xp doesn't turn into gold from kills too, which is why I delayed as much as possible turning in my completed quests while I was still at 69 in NS |
| 22:42.14 | Amarande | that reminds me, I need to grind cooking and fishing again |
| 22:42.22 | Amarande | fishing is still at 300, cooking 315 |
| 22:42.35 | myke54142 | what do you get from maxed out fishing and cooking? |
| 22:42.50 | Keolah | I need to work on my hunter's fishing a bit myself, heh. |
| 22:42.58 | Keolah | It's only at like 315. |
| 22:42.59 | Keolah | Cooking's maxed though. |
| 22:43.00 | Amarande | myke54142: not sure if there's any cooking recipes that actually require 375 |
| 22:43.11 | Amarande | fishing, you need to max in order to have a reasonable chance at crawdad |
| 22:43.17 | Adys | updating ptrs one by one |
| 22:43.18 | myke54142 | i just log into my bank alt once a day and work the AH |
| 22:43.20 | Adys | so awesome |
| 22:43.39 | Amarande | basically you need maxed fishing, a +100 lure, and if you are Alliance, you will probably feel forced to do the Fishing Extravaganza until you win |
| 22:44.05 | Amarande | if you are Horde, you get a +25 pole in Hinterlands so the Extravaganza may not be worth the effort |
| 22:44.33 | myke54142 | yeah got that a long time ago |
| 22:44.35 | foxlit | *Shattrah |
| 22:44.52 | Amarande | Even with max lure and Nat Pagle's, though, that's still 500 fishing, you'll still have a fair % of getaways |
| 22:45.02 | pcj | uh there's a pole from a quest in shatt |
| 22:45.05 | pcj | that does fine |
| 22:45.14 | Keolah | Yeah, it's +20 I think. |
| 22:45.39 | Amarande | I think they added that in large part to give Alliance a leg up versus Horde in the food department, even though it's a neutral quest |
| 22:46.03 | Amarande | Before BC, Alliance almost HAD to do the extravaganza to compete in fishing terms, while Horde just had to do an ezmode quest in Hinterlands |
| 22:46.26 | Amarande | As if STV wasn't crowded enough as it is. :P |
| 22:46.39 | Amarande | They NEED to make Desolace not suck :S |
| 22:46.44 | myke54142 | what's the food you get out of it? |
| 22:46.55 | Amarande | myke54142: spiced crawdads |
| 22:47.24 | Amarande | 30 stam, 20 spirit buff |
| 22:47.41 | Amarande | it's also 7500 food, and can be eaten at 55, while basic 7500 food usually requires 65 |
| 22:48.14 | Amarande | anyway, yes, they really, really need to work on Desolace to make it not suck |
| 22:48.23 | myke54142 | oh yeah that's nice |
| 22:48.33 | Amarande | and probably the 30-45 range zones in general, adding Mudsprocket to DWM was a good start |
| 22:48.57 | myke54142 | dwm is a lot nicer now, just got done doing all the (obvious) quests there |
| 22:49.10 | Amarande | trouble is that basically everyone, unless they do tons of instance grinding, has to go to STV for a substantial time in that level range |
| 22:49.18 | Amarande | and STV is too crowded |
| 22:49.29 | myke54142 | pre-patch i musta spent an hour running around trying to find that zep and never did until on accident many levels later |
| 22:49.44 | Amarande | even on Turalyon (which is Medium most of the time, but drops to Low at non-peak periods) you have to wait for repop pretty often in STV |
| 22:49.45 | myke54142 | hmm, i just skipped stv entirely as ac |
| 22:50.10 | myke54142 | darkshire -> dustwallow |
| 22:50.12 | Amarande | I didn't go there much on my priest either, but that is mainly because I toughed it out in Desolace, combined with a lot of grinding in SM |
| 22:50.39 | myke54142 | just hit 40, never went to desolace or stv, and only hit sm once as a novelty with a high level |
| 22:50.49 | Amarande | and RFD and Ulda too |
| 22:50.57 | Amarande | ugh, Uldaman sucks as a caster |
| 22:51.06 | myke54142 | rfd doesn't seem like a good deal as ac |
| 22:51.14 | myke54142 | i need to run it on one of my horde alts tho |
| 22:51.37 | myke54142 | going to get the ulda quests tonight |
| 22:51.39 | Amarande | there's like 2, maybe 3 boss blues in the entire friggin instance that can even legally be used by a priest, let alone whether they're actually useful to one |
| 22:51.53 | Keolah | I once did blackfathom deeps... with a level 61 pally... ;p |
| 22:51.57 | Keolah | It was hilarious ;p |
| 22:52.11 | myke54142 | i just buy that stuff |
| 22:52.17 | myke54142 | easier than running instances just for some drop |
| 22:52.23 | Amarande | I did BFD once ... other than that, I didn't really get into instancing on my priest till SM, Ulda, RFD, ZF |
| 22:52.33 | Keolah | Consecration FTW! :P |
| 22:52.42 | Amarande | I've never really felt like spending much money on AH, unless I really need mats to grind a profession |
| 22:52.51 | myke54142 | if you don't work the ah you're missing out |
| 22:52.54 | Amarande | until all my characters are 70 and have flying mounts ... |
| 22:52.58 | myke54142 | i've made by far more money on ah than anything else |
| 22:53.01 | Amarande | myke54142: I sell, but I don't buy much |
| 22:53.04 | myke54142 | my current alt had 20g by level 10 |
| 22:53.10 | myke54142 | just buying and selling |
| 22:53.30 | myke54142 | ppl just don't pay attention to prices at all, apparently |
| 22:53.43 | myke54142 | it's not uncommon to turn around 25G with a few mins work |
| 22:54.11 | myke54142 | or by buying a stack of something expensive and parting it out |
| 22:55.11 | myke54142 | ignoring the ah was my biggest mistake on my first toon |
| 22:55.30 | myke54142 | i hit 40 with 35G and couldn't figure out how these other ppl in my guild had hundreds |
| 22:56.32 | myke54142 | and of course no one is ever patient enough to bid instead of buyout |
| 22:56.51 | myke54142 | so you can get insane deals on bid-only items, which are usually posted by ppl who just click the button w/o looking at or changing the settings |
| 23:15.39 | *** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@adsl-68-122-2-241.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 23:15.39 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
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| 23:24.15 | Kirkburn | ooh, useful: "IE8 will automatically strip out excess carriage returns and line feeds within a URL when pasted into the Address Bar." |
| 23:24.26 | Amarande | I keep wondering if there's a way to set up a joystick for flying mount movement :S |
| 23:24.32 | Kirkburn | Request! I need feedback on http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev3/WoW and related pages |
| 23:24.35 | foxlit | Stop pasting carriage returns? |
| 23:24.39 | Amarande | Kirkburn: THOU SHALT NOT PRAISE IE |
| 23:24.54 | Kirkburn | foxlit, annoying if you copy from a line-broken email for example |
| 23:25.06 | Amarande | Microsoft = ... hmm, was it Goblin or Gnomish engineering that's known for periodic mechanical errors? :) |
| 23:25.13 | foxlit | both |
| 23:25.22 | Kirkburn | Also need feedback on the menu on http://beta.wowwiki.com/Main_Page |
| 23:25.31 | Amarande | Kirkburn: perhaps you need to know the history of IE :) |
| 23:25.42 | foxlit | Gnomish engineering is branded as safe, but in reality it's just as unsafe as goblin :P |
| 23:25.48 | Amarande | One day, the goblin and gnome engineers decided to get together and share their secrets to make one Super Kontraption |
| 23:25.53 | foxlit | So that renders Firefox to be a gnome :P |
| 23:26.08 | Amarande | It turned out to be Internet Explorer, and the goblin and gnome engineers agreed never to work with each other again |
| 23:26.37 | foxlit | Kirkburn: those boxes have serious wrapping issues at lower resolutions |
| 23:26.43 | foxlit | (webkit) |
| 23:27.10 | Kirkburn | foxlit, which boxes? |
| 23:28.19 | Amarande | also, I noticed more about that tooltip issue I mentioned yesterday |
| 23:28.27 | Amarande | it appears to happen the most when mousing directly down a list |
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| 23:29.16 | Amarande | for instance. hmm, maybe you guys fixed it :) |
| 23:29.23 | Kirkburn | I just want feedback on http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev3/WoW and http://beta.wowwiki.com/Main_Page menu for now |
| 23:29.30 | Amarande | somehow I just managed to mouse all the way up and down the Sha'tar faction rewards list without glitch |
| 23:29.31 | Kirkburn | pcj does the tooltip code, bug him :) |
| 23:29.55 | Amarande | ... and discovered I need to be friggin revered with sha'tar to make an alchemist's stone when my alch gets that high :S |
| 23:30.04 | Amarande | I hate trying to get Sha'tar rep :| |
| 23:30.14 | pcj | kirkburn, what about putting an inputbox in the new main page where the search link is |
| 23:30.18 | Kirkburn | foxlit, I just tweaked the help box to prevent that going too over |
| 23:30.56 | Kirkburn | It could probably be entirely removed |
| 23:31.00 | winkiller | Kirk, do you still play your warlock? |
| 23:31.08 | Amarande | and my JC apparently will want to be revered at some point as well |
| 23:31.20 | Kirkburn | Or just turned into an image, since the search box will be top left on the skin |
| 23:31.29 | Amarande | though for now I'll be happy enough with honored so I can get the TK heroic key, since most of the action on Turalyon is in heroics :) |
| 23:31.34 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:31.45 | winkiller | http://www.wowwiki.com/SSC <- bosses clicky box still broken |
| 23:31.46 | Amarande | wonder if I stand a chance of being able to walk into a TK instance, kill the first trash mob, and get out |
| 23:31.51 | winkiller | and I have no clue how to fix i |
| 23:32.16 | Amarande | at least to just be able to tick over to honored after I finish with all the scryers stuff |
| 23:32.18 | kd3 | wfm. you have javascript disabled? |
| 23:33.50 | Amarande | Meanwhile. At least three dorky WoW spoof songs that need to be written: |
| 23:33.58 | Amarande | Addicted to WoW, Tainted Ooze, and Nether Ray. :) |
| 23:34.17 | Amarande | (And if you don't know all the original titles, you're too young. :S) |
| 23:34.17 | Kirkburn | foxlit, poke |
| 23:37.11 | Adys | Kirkburn: make the wikia gaming section a two-column list |
| 23:37.29 | Adys | should get it to the level of the other column on default |
| 23:38.08 | Adys | also, damn |
| 23:38.09 | Adys | http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1244054 |
| 23:38.09 | Adys | need |
| 23:39.15 | Kirkburn | Two columns is a good idea |
| 23:39.51 | foxlit | http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3237/safariscreensnapz001eg2.png |
| 23:40.16 | Adys | eww |
| 23:44.10 | pcj | was it safari that was 90% standards-compliant? |
| 23:45.19 | foxlit | Don't think a % figure would ever make sense |
| 23:45.56 | Adys | lol |
| 23:46.05 | Adys | they got 90% to acid3 |
| 23:46.08 | Adys | thats all :p |
| 23:46.18 | winkiller | kd3: ah! error found |
| 23:46.19 | foxlit | Not that firefox is any better at rendering that page |
| 23:46.28 | winkiller | kd3: the JS was moved from wowwiki.com to wikia.com |
| 23:46.33 | winkiller | so noscript blocked it ofc |
| 23:46.39 | kd3 | ah |
| 23:46.44 | winkiller | but I knew it worked, so didn't look closely enough |
| 23:46.58 | foxlit | And the browser that renders WoWWiki best is... |
| 23:47.02 | foxlit | INTERNET EXPLORER. |
| 23:47.12 | foxlit | Ladies and gentlemen, hold your applause. |
| 23:48.11 | pcj | "This site designed for Internet Explorer 4.0 and 640x480 resolution" |
| 23:48.31 | Adys | http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm |
| 23:48.53 | foxlit | http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/ |
| 23:49.18 | Kaso | pcj what's worst is websites that use UA to prevent other clients from viewing the website |
| 23:49.24 | Adys | you made me crash :( |
| 23:49.36 | Adys | kaso: hotmail |
| 23:50.52 | Kirkburn | Wish I'd never mentioned IE8 now |
| 23:51.22 | foxlit | [the best browser ever] |
| 23:51.32 | Kirkburn | http://beta.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar <-- more updates done |
| 23:56.48 | Amarande | heh, is mediawiki designed to favor IE, or did you guys decide to? :S |
| 23:59.42 | pcj | uh it's not designed to favor anything |
