| 00:05.35 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder |
| 00:05.45 | foxlit | Not actually getting functions into the global namespace is odd |
| 00:15.28 | pcj | what do you mean foxlit |
| 00:15.58 | foxlit | The magic that is eval :) |
| 00:16.08 | pcj | ah |
| 00:16.25 | foxlit | If you declare a function within it |
| 00:16.30 | foxlit | It won't exist outside of it |
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| 00:17.12 | pcj | neato |
| 00:17.33 | pcj | well there goes your ajax js include |
| 00:17.57 | InnocentlySassy | i saw my name fly by. ;) |
| 00:18.01 | InnocentlySassy | coobra said that to me |
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| 00:21.22 | DuTempete | VP topic, InnocentlySassy |
| 00:21.45 | Krolmor | is there a way to traceroute an individual server from wow? |
| 00:22.16 | Krolmor | or does it stop at logon as always |
| 00:28.08 | foxlit | pcj: well, no. |
| 00:33.09 | foxlit | And there we go, it works |
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| 11:27.47 | laurly | kicks bot |
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| 11:33.08 | Fisker-- | kicks laurly |
| 11:36.06 | laurly | let that teach you. kick me you dc :) |
| 11:36.44 | Fisker- | Quit (Client Quit) |
| 11:36.52 | Fisker- | i don't use my server for irc usually |
| 11:36.56 | laurly | :) |
| 11:38.25 | Fisker- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP5XGe59wDU <-haha wtf |
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| 12:27.44 | Kirkburn | Sharlin needs anger management :/ |
| 12:27.48 | Kirkburn | Also, good morning |
| 12:32.42 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Morrowgrain_Research_%28Horde%2C_1%29 <--- hows that. yes i know next prev in the quest box isnt there yet im working on it |
| 12:35.42 | `-FISKER_Q\ | i has haet |
| 12:35.51 | `-FISKER_Q\ | gievs out |
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| 12:49.44 | Kirkburn | laurly, looks cool |
| 12:50.27 | laurly | fix one bug i find another ... |
| 12:50.58 | pcj | missing level on second quest in chain |
| 12:51.13 | laurly | bot cant get that info |
| 12:51.30 | laurly | unless i start loading each quest in the quest chain which i would rather not do. |
| 12:51.37 | pcj | hmm |
| 12:52.04 | pcj | if the bot is able to disambiguate shouldn't it be able to link directly to the un-disambiguated page |
| 12:52.21 | laurly | bot isnt able to disambiguate |
| 12:52.24 | foxlit | "You don't know any flight locations connected to this one" well, that's helpful! |
| 12:52.29 | laurly | lead to to many problems with the old bot. |
| 12:52.48 | pcj | ...well, how does it know it's (Horde, 1) then |
| 12:53.14 | laurly | becise i fead it "quest_id|Quest:Morrowgrain Research (Horde, 1)" |
| 12:53.19 | pcj | ah |
| 12:53.22 | laurly | she rips quest id then dumps it on the page i gave her |
| 12:53.31 | pcj | well that's cheating |
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| 12:53.54 | laurly | na will just cause less problems with ppl bitching and moaning about her messing up disambig |
| 12:54.08 | pcj | yeah lol |
| 12:54.09 | foxlit | i can has bitch & moan! |
| 12:54.20 | foxlit | Gah |
| 12:54.25 | foxlit | Exposure to Fisker- really is damaging. |
| 12:54.31 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Laurlybot/quest_bot <--- join the party pcj |
| 12:55.23 | pcj | looks like you're having fun with Eirik |
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| 12:55.55 | laurly | figure it was better to get him involved from the start. since he was the bigest bitch and moaner |
| 12:56.06 | pcj | always is |
| 12:56.13 | pcj | now that zeal's out of the picture |
| 12:56.30 | laurly | wheres sky havent seen him in ages. |
| 12:56.50 | pcj | ~seen sky2042 |
| 12:56.53 | infobot | sky2042 <n=Sky2042@wikimedia/Izno> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 10h 57m 38s ago, saying: '?'. |
| 12:57.01 | pcj | well that's helpful |
| 12:57.53 | Kirkburn | Actually, Sharlin can rival on the bitching thing |
| 12:58.10 | pcj | true, when sharlin actually says anything |
| 12:58.33 | pcj | adys, is openwdb going to include quests as well, or is it just items and npcs |
| 12:58.35 | Kirkburn | I'm avoiding telling him why I know his comments about Du.Tempete are off the mark, though :P |
| 12:59.03 | foxlit | "I know this is off-topic, but I can't stand this narrow-minded, negative attitude, and will tell off anyone that displays it." *headdesk* |
| 12:59.26 | foxlit | "I know there are people who don't love their fellow human beings... AND I HATE PEOPLE LIKE THAT!" |
| 12:59.43 | pcj | Whatever happened to WW:AGF |
| 13:00.04 | Kirkburn | foxlit, hehe |
| 13:01.06 | laurly | is tired of fixing bot bugs. |
| 13:02.47 | pcj | "Oh, I will delete any comments on my user page I don't like. Your warned." |
| 13:02.48 | pcj | wow |
| 13:02.53 | Kirkburn | gives laurly a hug |
| 13:03.21 | laurly | pcj lol?? |
| 13:03.36 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Sharlin#Yeah.2C_Whatever |
| 13:04.27 | sancus | rofl |
| 13:04.32 | pcj | "and this is MY TALK page is it NOT? Are they suddenly subject to the whims of others?" O.o |
| 13:04.34 | sancus | I just went to look at the last edit I made to the wiki |
| 13:04.35 | sancus | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Four_Wheels_of_Fury&diff=1224712&oldid=1153175 |
| 13:04.45 | pcj | i think he believes this is his own personal wiki |
| 13:04.55 | Kirkburn | omg, sancus! |
| 13:05.13 | sancus | hi kirkburn |
| 13:05.19 | foxlit | It'd be semi-interesting if he was actually right :) |
| 13:05.21 | Kirkburn | hullo :) |
| 13:06.06 | sancus | I read a wowinsider article and posted a flame as a comment |
| 13:06.11 | sancus | it made me think of #wowwiki |
| 13:06.14 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 13:06.28 | sancus | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/03/19/blood-pact-warlock-tips-and-tricks/1#c11125091 |
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| 13:08.25 | Kirkburn | So, Sharlin is running away again |
| 13:08.42 | pcj | Damn |
| 13:08.48 | pcj | He was doing so much for the wiki |
| 13:09.21 | sancus | I don't even know what a Sharlin is |
| 13:09.25 | sancus | Shows how much I pay attention |
| 13:09.29 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 13:09.40 | Kirkburn | He insulted my girlfriend, what's all you need to know :P |
| 13:09.44 | Kirkburn | *that's |
| 13:16.19 | pcj | heh sharlin's replied to all of dutempete's comments in that section berating her |
| 13:16.20 | sancus | lol |
| 13:16.30 | pcj | well both i guess :\ |
| 13:16.58 | sancus | link? |
| 13:17.19 | Adys | pcj: quests too |
| 13:17.21 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Class_related_pages_are_terrible...... |
| 13:17.22 | Kirkburn | Def. how to get into my good books :P |
| 13:17.50 | Adys | quests, items, npcs, npctalk, pages, objects |
| 13:18.00 | Adys | now, this can be filtered/limited |
| 13:18.06 | pcj | npctalk is separate from npc? |
| 13:18.13 | Adys | yeah, blizzard sucks |
| 13:18.23 | Adys | (brb finishing an install) |
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| 13:18.57 | pcj | what are "pages" |
| 13:19.19 | Adys | err |
| 13:19.21 | Adys | book contents etc |
| 13:19.27 | Adys | like when you read objects/items |
| 13:19.27 | pcj | ah |
| 13:19.30 | pcj | hmm |
| 13:19.47 | pcj | and what information does object db contain |
| 13:19.52 | Adys | !i 35128 |
| 13:20.11 | Adys | uhm, sec |
| 13:20.30 | sancus | his comment is kind of random |
| 13:20.44 | pcj | yeah, he's just attacking her |
| 13:20.51 | sancus | err I mean his comment vs Azaram |
| 13:20.55 | sancus | the first one |
| 13:21.05 | Adys | http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/GameObjectCache.wdb |
| 13:21.16 | sancus | Nowhere in that paragraph does Azaram say anything about raiding builds specifically or the rigor/lack thereof they have |
| 13:21.41 | Adys | fuck that |
| 13:21.50 | Adys | an object lock and page is a shared property |
| 13:21.52 | sancus | He is correct that raiding builds are usually extremely specific, but, I don't see how that argument even started |
| 13:21.56 | Adys | blizzard does suck |
| 13:21.56 | Adys | brb |
| 13:22.43 | pcj | so basically object data is just name and type |
| 13:23.31 | laurly | grumbles |
| 13:23.50 | pcj | hugs laurly |
| 13:24.15 | laurly | 2 days no cigs sucks! |
| 13:27.47 | Kirkburn | make it 3 :) |
| 13:30.28 | Kirkburn | Adys, okay, finally taking a look at OpenWDB, looks pretty cool |
| 13:31.36 | Kirkburn | Def something I think the techs will be able to help out on at some point |
| 13:35.28 | pcj | kirkburn how is wowwiki handling at peak times with the newly merged database |
| 13:37.33 | Kirkburn | Dunno, but from an end-user's pov, it seems fine |
| 13:38.01 | pcj | http://beta.wowwiki.com/Main_Page is messed up |
| 13:38.02 | pcj | Original exception: exception 'DBQueryError' with message 'A database error has occurred |
| 13:38.04 | pcj | Query: SELECT cl_from FROM categorylinks USE INDEX (cl_from), page_visited USE INDEX (page_visited_cnt_inx) WHERE article_id = cl_from AND cl_to = 'World_of_Warcraft_uncommon_items' ORDER BY COUNT DESC LIMIT 7 |
| 13:38.04 | pcj | Function: |
| 13:38.04 | pcj | Error: 1146 Table 'fp027.page_visited' doesn't exist (sayid.sjc.wikia-inc.com) |
| 13:39.41 | Fisker- | sleepycat is sleeeeeeeeeeeepy |
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| 13:44.09 | Adys | Kirkburn: cool :) |
| 13:44.30 | Adys | ill make some more info available for the devs, and better docs for the users |
| 13:44.38 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 13:44.57 | Kirkburn | pcj, yeah, don't worry about it :) |
| 13:45.13 | Fisker- | I thought we obeyed the ToU? |
| 13:45.23 | Adys | rtfa ? |
| 13:47.29 | Fisker- | hrtfa? |
| 13:47.46 | Adys | no you havent |
| 13:48.06 | Fisker- | yes i have |
| 13:49.25 | Adys | then you should know about this |
| 14:12.54 | foxlit | I'll summarize: "but teh otherz do it too" |
| 14:15.33 | pcj | bah you gave away the ending |
| 14:29.07 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Morrowgrain_Research_%28Horde%2C_2%29 <----- |
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| 14:42.23 | Gourra | pong laurly |
| 14:42.30 | laurly | ping |
| 14:42.35 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Morrowgrain_Research_%28Horde%2C_1%29 & 2 |
| 14:42.54 | laurly | ? |
| 14:42.55 | Gourra | you might want to correct the info on those |
| 14:43.13 | Gourra | *external link at the bottom is to an item |
| 14:43.14 | laurly | which info? |
| 14:43.34 | Gourra | *quest chain are different quests, see the disambig |
| 14:44.05 | laurly | {{elinks-quest|3782}} ??? |
| 14:44.18 | Gourra | == External links == |
| 14:44.18 | Gourra | {{elinks-item|3782}} |
| 14:44.22 | Gourra | hm? |
| 14:44.24 | laurly | bot cant figure out the rest of the info on quest chain huan will have to do it |
| 14:44.31 | laurly | yeah but what should it be then quest? |
| 14:45.08 | pcj | yes |
| 14:45.14 | Gourra | obviously. |
| 14:45.22 | laurly | quest it is nice find :) |
| 14:52.29 | laurly | ping pcj |
| 14:52.34 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Morrowgrain_Research_%28Horde%2C_1%29#Quest_chain <--- hows that? |
| 14:54.52 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Morrowgrain_Research_%28Horde%2C_2%29#Objectives bad laurlybot, Common not Poor |
| 14:57.07 | laurly | sec bug hunting |
| 14:57.36 | foxlit | {{item}}! |
| 14:57.43 | foxlit | and wave your frustrations away :P |
| 14:58.32 | Gourra | idd |
| 14:59.51 | laurly | found it your good at bug finding. |
| 15:00.20 | laurly | foxlit what else do you want to use in the questbox all the other quests have item. |
| 15:00.40 | laurly | cant use lootbox that would just be bad. |
| 15:00.44 | foxlit | ? |
| 15:01.19 | laurly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.23 | foxlit | I don't really follow what you're saying; I was sugesting to replace [[Image:]] {{loot|}} in objecives listing with {{item}} to not bother with texture name/rarity resolution |
| 15:01.58 | Gourra | {{item|icon=|<item>}} |
| 15:02.09 | laurly | Don't use T:Item for anything. It's a transclusion nightmare. (some might disagree with not using it, but the 2nd statement is cold fact). |
| 15:02.18 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/quest_bot#Wish_list <--- on skys wishlist |
| 15:02.41 | Gourra | how's it a "transclusion nightmare"? |
| 15:02.57 | laurly | not i clue i make bots not figure out what an admin nightmare is or isnt |
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| 15:03.47 | foxlit | It's only really a problem if the block you're transcluding ends up transcluding itself, which doesn't really happen outside item/set tooltips |
| 15:04.07 | Gourra | <onlyinclude></onlyinclude>? |
| 15:04.20 | Gourra | which I prefer instead of <noinclude> |
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| 15:04.58 | foxlit | Anyway, point is, I wouldn't avoid it :) |
| 15:05.04 | foxlit | Sky's nightmares, not mine :P |
| 15:05.04 | laurly | take the argument up with sky. figure out if you want it changed or not takes 2 sec to change the template |
| 15:05.27 | laurly | yet they all become my nightmares if one doesnt want the bot using xy or z template |
| 15:06.53 | foxlit | Doubt it, but then again, I'm not that interested :) |
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| 15:08.03 | laurly | then i will ignore your nightmares :) |
| 15:09.42 | foxlit | That's the thing - there aren't any :P |
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| 16:04.49 | pcj | !sup |
| 16:04.49 | Foxbot | There are currently 45 queued operations. |
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| 16:13.23 | laurly | poor foxbot so abused- |
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| 16:27.46 | DuTempete | Jimminy Cricket.... |
| 16:27.59 | DuTempete | a girl goes to sleep and this is what happens? |
| 16:28.47 | DuTempete | you didn't actually ban him/her Kirkburn, did you? |
| 16:28.57 | Kirkburn | :P no |
| 16:31.45 | DuTempete | You know i don't think this is the first time I've argued with Sharlin about this, either |
| 16:32.08 | DuTempete | nor the first time I've seen Sharlin get insulting over something stupid |
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| 16:33.59 | Kirkburn | I've warned him before |
| 16:35.48 | Kirkburn | Here's a vaguely relevant quote: |
| 16:35.51 | Kirkburn | "a bit like recounting a rude joke at a dinner party, only to be told you hadn't recounted a joke at all, but molested the host's children, and suddenly everyone was punching you and you weren't going to get any pudding." |
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| 16:38.59 | pcj | that's...nice kirkburn |
| 16:39.23 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:39.29 | DuTempete | uhhhh |
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| 16:39.55 | Kirkburn | It's from Charlie Brooker - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brooker |
| 16:40.15 | Kirkburn | Similar kind of guy to Yahtzee of ZeroPunctuation fame |
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| 16:47.12 | laurly | wow how is it 6 already ... |
| 16:49.30 | pcj | very carefully |
| 16:52.05 | pcj | http://www.local6.com/news/15645988/detail.html |
| 16:52.07 | pcj | that sounds safe |
| 17:13.14 | pcj | oooo dutempete commented, getting out the popcorn |
| 17:13.25 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 17:14.10 | DuTempete | I'm going to refrain from being grumpy about it anymore. If she responds with more simple-minded insults, I'm just going to *fart* and walk away. |
| 17:14.39 | DuTempete | I've said what I needed to say. She just digs her own grave. |
| 17:18.35 | DuTempete | and I've just posted again in the VP discussion, pcj, Kirkburn :P |
| 17:20.34 | Fisker- | pcj |
| 17:20.41 | Fisker- | construct additional bandwitdh :( |
| 17:20.45 | pcj | what |
| 17:20.48 | Fisker- | i must have! |
| 17:21.08 | pcj | for what |
| 17:21.14 | Fisker- | kane's wrath |
| 17:21.17 | Fisker- | 8GB ;_; |
| 17:21.58 | pcj | command & conquer is lame |
| 17:22.05 | Fisker- | no u |
| 17:23.14 | roxutee | HAI GAIS |
| 17:25.01 | DuTempete | hello roxutee |
| 17:25.08 | roxutee | yo |
| 17:25.13 | roxutee | dutempetee |
| 17:25.49 | roxutee | any suggestions for the date 2.4. will be launched? |
| 17:26.00 | pcj | well it'll be on a tuesday |
| 17:26.16 | roxutee | why's that |
| 17:26.28 | roxutee | wouldnt wednesday be more suitable |
| 17:26.35 | pcj | no |
| 17:26.51 | roxutee | prove |
| 17:27.19 | pcj | it's always been tuesday |
| 17:27.30 | roxutee | oh, rite |
| 17:27.50 | sacarasc | pcj: not over here in europe |
| 17:27.56 | sacarasc | it's wednesdays for us |
| 17:27.59 | pcj | ofc |
| 17:28.01 | roxutee | YES good point |
| 17:28.07 | pcj | but 2.4 will be released on tuesday first |
| 17:28.17 | sacarasc | i suppose |
| 17:29.08 | roxutee | wierd how they are nerfing hyjal/bt |
| 17:29.22 | pcj | not really weird |
| 17:29.42 | roxutee | k I give you that, "they" is blizzard afterall |
| 17:29.50 | DuTempete | I hope Sharlin isn't asleep or anything... I want to have this out :P |
| 17:29.52 | roxutee | but fucked up, maybe? |
| 17:30.03 | pcj | no... |
| 17:30.16 | sacarasc | how are they nerfing BT/MH? |
| 17:30.21 | pcj | since 2.4 is the last patch before the expansion i'd hope they'd nerf it |
| 17:30.43 | roxutee | removing attunements |
| 17:30.48 | roxutee | sacarasc |
| 17:30.55 | roxutee | also from kara |
| 17:31.09 | roxutee | yeah sunwell will so kick ass |
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| 17:31.37 | Kirkburn | DuTempete, Sharlin has run away from the wiki again |
| 17:31.46 | pcj | noooooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:31.53 | DuTempete | What does that mean? |
| 17:31.58 | pcj | pulled a zeal |
| 17:31.58 | DuTempete | and again? |
| 17:32.03 | DuTempete | lol |
| 17:32.26 | DuTempete | well I noticed she {{delete}}ed everything, but that's not fair... |
| 17:32.30 | DuTempete | I wanted to fight :( |
| 17:33.20 | DuTempete | Maybe she wouldn't get the sense that everyone else "wins" if she wouldn't be so accusatory and insulting... |
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| 17:34.47 | DuTempete | oh noes! It's kalroth! |
| 17:34.55 | sacarasc | hides |
| 17:34.56 | DuTempete | I thought I defeated you ages ago :( |
| 17:35.16 | DuTempete | trying to steal my boyfriend... |
| 17:35.40 | sacarasc | if you mean steel, then that was me... |
| 17:35.48 | sacarasc | waves around a rapier |
| 17:35.57 | Kalroth | I'm the day after having drunk 2-3 bottles of alcohol, you can never defeat me! |
| 17:36.05 | DuTempete | no killing him, either, sacarasc :P |
| 17:36.07 | Kalroth | snuggles up to Kirkburn while DuTempete is confused. |
| 17:36.19 | DuTempete | stabs Kalroth with a herring. |
| 17:38.21 | Kirkburn | DuTempete, it's not the first time Sharlin ran away |
| 17:38.57 | Kirkburn | Zeal didn't do quite the same thing in any case, he at least has some common sense (-: |
| 17:39.37 | Kalroth | Sharlin and Zeal are your cats? |
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| 17:50.06 | pcj | yes, definitely |
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| 18:00.58 | Kirkburn | meow |
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| 18:02.36 | mcm91 | hey |
| 18:02.59 | pcj | zomg hai |
| 18:03.21 | foxlit | "WoW has always been casual" |
| 18:03.38 | mcm91 | could you tell me realm of moonrunner? |
| 18:03.40 | foxlit | I wouldn't go quite that far. |
| 18:04.02 | pcj | realm of moonrunner |
| 18:04.22 | mcm91 | yeah |
| 18:04.26 | pcj | np |
| 18:05.42 | laurly | nice drama with sharlin :) |
| 18:08.06 | DuTempete | foxlit you play any other MMOs? |
| 18:08.09 | DuTempete | lol laurly |
| 18:08.42 | pcj | wow is definitely casual-friendly |
| 18:08.50 | foxlit | I debate the "always" |
| 18:09.00 | foxlit | Not that the current end-game is pitiful |
| 18:09.03 | DuTempete | seriously... always |
| 18:09.09 | foxlit | PvP grind |
| 18:09.17 | foxlit | AQ40/Naxx encounter difficulty |
| 18:09.25 | DuTempete | and people played about the EQ xp grind... |
| 18:09.25 | foxlit | not. casual. at. all. |
| 18:09.34 | DuTempete | at least there was some variation in it... |
| 18:09.52 | foxlit | I assume the EQ xp grind doesn't have you competing with other players for XP? |
| 18:09.55 | DuTempete | AQ40/Naxx weren't all that hard |
| 18:10.03 | DuTempete | yes, actually, you were :P |
| 18:10.23 | foxlit | And you'd actually lose XP if you didn't compete at some point? |
| 18:10.39 | DuTempete | yup loss of xp at death |
| 18:10.53 | DuTempete | technically, you could not die |
| 18:10.54 | foxlit | That isn't quite what I'm looking for |
| 18:10.58 | foxlit | You can't die while not playing |
| 18:10.59 | DuTempete | but you'd have to not play :P |
| 18:11.02 | foxlit | You can lose Honor rank |
| 18:11.18 | DuTempete | but that doesn't prevent you from earning honour points |
| 18:11.24 | foxlit | Yes, it does |
| 18:11.28 | foxlit | Old PvP system, remember :) |
| 18:11.35 | DuTempete | hence why pvp system is no longer rank based |
| 18:11.42 | foxlit | So _now_ it's casual |
| 18:11.47 | foxlit | It wasn't _always_ |
| 18:11.57 | DuTempete | even then... that wasn't even that much of a grind |
| 18:12.00 | foxlit | I'm here all week. |
| 18:12.06 | foxlit | Try the fish, it's delicious |
| 18:12.38 | DuTempete | and that was casual merely by being single-player and not requiring that you be all that talented individually |
| 18:12.40 | pcj | whoa whoa whoa, you say GM/HW grind wasn't that big of a deal pre-honor change? |
| 18:12.54 | DuTempete | nope, my ex did it |
| 18:13.19 | pcj | how much did he play |
| 18:13.31 | DuTempete | about an hour or two every night |
| 18:13.45 | foxlit | Either (a) he was playing on some ghost town dump |
| 18:13.49 | foxlit | Or (b) That's not the story. |
| 18:13.59 | DuTempete | ok, wel if you wanted GM/HW that was a fairly major grind |
| 18:14.04 | pcj | ... |
| 18:14.47 | pcj | past like knight-captain whatever your honor points would decay faster than you can get them if you didn't pvp like 3 hours a day |
| 18:14.48 | DuTempete | but again, that didn't necessarily require a lot of personal talent |
| 18:15.24 | DuTempete | just the ability to be in successful BG groups |
| 18:15.31 | DuTempete | and to play a lot |
| 18:15.39 | foxlit | I think you'll find that beyond a certain rank, those two go hand-in-hand |
| 18:15.40 | pcj | which is not casual |
| 18:15.47 | DuTempete | sure it is |
| 18:15.54 | DuTempete | casual doesn't mean you never play |
| 18:16.06 | pcj | ...what is your definition of casual then |
| 18:19.10 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Honor_System#How_do_you_reach_Rank_14.3F |
| 18:19.19 | pcj | "You need to earn more than 12000 RP every week to beat the Decay to Rank 14" |
| 18:19.29 | pcj | "On most servers, only the top 3-6 players each week earn more than 12000 RP, depending on how many ranking PVP players on are your server." |
| 18:19.41 | pcj | therefore old style pvp = not casual |
| 18:22.36 | mcm91 | cya |
| 18:23.32 | DuTempete | The hardcore player is the type that concentrates on "winning," reaching the end and being better than other players. Better being better gear, better talent spec, higher rank amongst other players. Hardcore players do this to the exclusion of everything else. Hardcore players consider themselves successful when they're at the top of the end-game consistently. |
| 18:23.57 | DuTempete | Ok, so by that definition, yes, the older honour system was designed for the hard core. |
| 18:24.15 | DuTempete | But i still defend that PvE was never designed for the hardcore. |
| 18:24.45 | foxlit | end-game PvE was designed for the hardcore. |
| 18:24.47 | pcj | and...how is WoW oriented to the casual player since Blizzard continues to release additional endgame content before the majority of "casuals" by your definition have caught up |
| 18:25.49 | DuTempete | Blizz has always tried too hard to open the game up to "everyone" and to allow "everyone" equal opportunity to the top rewards, or all but the top-most rewards. |
| 18:26.17 | pcj | not everyone |
| 18:26.23 | pcj | tanks can't get good gear from pvp |
| 18:26.30 | foxlit | There really isn't a lot of that going on pre-BC |
| 18:26.54 | DuTempete | guys, we're talking comparatively here, too |
| 18:27.06 | pcj | you're the one who said always |
| 18:27.40 | DuTempete | even though you might think pre-BC end-game was difficult, it was still made more possible for the average Joe than previous seen in other games |
| 18:28.02 | pcj | maybe "more casual", but not "mostly casual" |
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| 18:28.36 | DuTempete | even if that tiny bit is "more casual" that means the game *as a whole* is designed for the more casual player |
| 18:29.36 | DuTempete | Maybe I need to clarify that my argument is not that end-game is entirely casual, but that the game *as a whole* is casual. |
| 18:32.03 | foxlit | I hear competitive chess is casual! |
| 18:32.08 | DuTempete | Blizz has stated from the beginning that they are more concerned with the casual, everyguy player than with the hardcore raider. |
| 18:32.22 | pcj | Because casuals are the majority |
| 18:32.24 | foxlit | [citation needed] |
| 18:32.46 | foxlit | But that isn't even the interesting part |
| 18:33.25 | foxlit | vanilla WoW's content difficulty eats BC's |
| 18:33.49 | pcj | foxlit: http://xkcd.com/285/ |
| 18:33.59 | foxlit | Semi-protect the constitution? |
| 18:35.01 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 18:35.24 | DuTempete | well I'm sorry I don't keep that close track of Blizz's statements. :P |
| 18:35.36 | DuTempete | You could venture to trust me, though :P |
| 18:36.01 | foxlit | See no reason to :) |
| 18:36.11 | DuTempete | and pcj, you're absolutely right, it's because casuals are the majority |
| 18:36.29 | DuTempete | I haven't said Blizz is incorrect in doing what they've chosen to do |
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| 18:40.25 | DuTempete | hey PanSola |
| 18:42.36 | PanSola | yeh DuTempete |
| 18:56.51 | Keolah | I'm a casual player! ... who plays 14 hours a day... |
| 18:56.57 | DuTempete | HEHE |
| 18:57.04 | DuTempete | see? there ya go :P |
| 18:57.04 | pcj | gg keolah |
| 18:57.08 | DuTempete | it isn't about time :P |
| 18:57.21 | pcj | well...usually time is a good indicator |
| 18:57.34 | Keolah | I just level up far too many alts, and have never raided in my life ;p |
| 18:57.41 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 18:57.44 | pcj | "casual" implies you don't spend as much effort in wow as you do in a full time job |
| 18:58.03 | DuTempete | effort /= time |
| 18:59.01 | foxlit | I fail to see how you can invest effort without investing time |
| 18:59.01 | DuTempete | time = effort, yes |
| 18:59.01 | DuTempete | but not vice versa |
| 18:59.01 | Keolah | And the only instance I've done was when me and my friends failed at Ragefire Chasm comically... ;p |
| 18:59.01 | foxlit | stop abusing = :) |
| 18:59.08 | foxlit | effort => time is obvious |
| 18:59.18 | foxlit | time => effort is a bit more interesting |
| 18:59.48 | DuTempete | sooo... the time I spend flirting with female NEs is effort toward end-game? |
| 19:00.57 | foxlit | I don't think you're reading "implies" right |
| 19:01.13 | DuTempete | mebbe I am, I dunno |
| 19:01.22 | DuTempete | I'm distracted :P |
| 19:03.18 | Kaso | wtf, Picasso died in 1973, i thought he was like in the early 1800s |
| 19:03.21 | Kaso | mind-blown |
| 19:03.26 | DuTempete | rofl, no |
| 19:03.33 | Keolah | yes, and his daughter is alive and selling perfume or something :P |
| 19:03.35 | DuTempete | picasso wsa up-and-coming in the 20s |
| 19:04.51 | DuTempete | I think the good majority of his most popular works were from 20s-40s |
| 19:05.30 | Keolah | Picasso: Proof that art does not need to make sense to be popular. ;p |
| 19:05.53 | pcj | picasso must've been a "casual" artist |
| 19:06.23 | Keolah | It could be worse. |
| 19:06.34 | Keolah | We were playing scattergories the other day and decided "terrorism" is a hobby. :P |
| 19:06.36 | laurly | thinks Class related pages are terrible...... is getting epic length |
| 19:06.56 | pcj | the double ellipsis should be an indicator laurly |
| 19:07.24 | laurly | we really need an arcive on village pump its getting huge |
| 19:07.32 | pcj | we just did archive it lol |
| 19:08.29 | Keolah | I wants me a nether drake. |
| 19:08.33 | pcj | i have one |
| 19:10.15 | Keolah | I really need to figure out how much gold I have laying around. |
| 19:10.51 | pcj | over 9000 |
| 19:10.59 | Keolah | I doubt that. ;p |
| 19:11.37 | Fisker- | WHAT NINE THOUSAND?! |
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| 19:21.01 | laurly | few guildies have over 25kg .... |
| 19:21.31 | laurly | i cba to get another netherdrak on my alts. |
| 19:22.25 | Keolah | at the moment, I'd be happy to have a swift mount on one of myalts period :P |
| 19:23.23 | Keolah | okay, there we go... 2300 or so between the ones that I checked! :p |
| 19:23.30 | Keolah | I need more money. :( |
| 19:24.10 | Keolah | And my rogue is going to want a flying mount when she hits 70, and my druid is level 59 and will want an epic ground mount... |
| 19:24.24 | Keolah | I have too many alts. :P |
| 19:24.30 | foxlit | http://xkcd.com/184/ |
| 19:26.52 | Adys | [20:21:02] <+laurly> few guildies have over 25kg .... |
| 19:27.12 | Adys | They must be really slim |
| 19:27.14 | Adys | zing |
| 19:27.28 | laurly | fail |
| 19:27.39 | Adys | yeah yeah :( |
| 19:27.55 | DuTempete | laaaaaaaaame |
| 19:28.05 | Adys | whatever, suckers |
| 19:28.22 | pcj | unless they're made of a not-very-dense material |
| 19:28.34 | Adys | dont add to it |
| 19:28.37 | DuTempete | rolls her eyes at pcj. |
| 19:28.45 | Adys | bad enough as it is |
| 19:29.09 | pcj | sorry, i'm only a "casual" comedian |
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| 19:29.52 | DuTempete | lol |
| 19:29.55 | Keolah | No, I fail. I went "Why is this big blue thing following me around? ... oh wait, I'm on my warlock." |
| 19:30.04 | DuTempete | ... |
| 19:30.10 | equiraptor | heh |
| 19:30.15 | Adys | oh you're a warlock, so you tamed azuregos |
| 19:30.16 | Keolah | Poor lock doesn't get played much ;p |
| 19:30.18 | equiraptor | wait, Nugget? |
| 19:30.31 | Adys | more 2007 jokes |
| 19:30.33 | Adys | wtvr |
| 19:31.00 | equiraptor | (Nugget had that same confusion, Keolah.) |
| 19:31.11 | equiraptor | (Nugget being my boyfriend, a person who's never been on this IRC channel) |
| 19:31.15 | Keolah | hehe |
| 19:32.16 | DuTempete | I suffer from the urge to fade when playing my lock, and the urge to life tap when playing my priest :P |
| 19:33.46 | Adys | I suffer from the urge to stop playing whenever I play any of my chars |
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| 19:35.09 | Keolah | I need to level my orc hunter. |
| 19:36.04 | laurly | lol i have 1219 + to shadow damage now no wonder why i got agro |
| 19:37.26 | pcj | gg laurly |
| 19:39.00 | Keolah | I need to _respec_ my orc hunter |
| 19:39.21 | foxlit | luarly: you're raiding... SSC? |
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| 19:42.34 | foxlit | your spell damage is a clue |
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| 19:43.11 | laurly | would i have more or less if we where in bt or MH? |
| 19:43.50 | laurly | ok loads more in MH when that lady comes and help thats awsom i have goten over 1100 dps from that :) |
| 19:44.04 | foxlit | You wouldn't be as terribly excited about it :) |
| 19:44.16 | laurly | hehe |
| 19:44.34 | Amarande | hmm, you know you play WoW too much when: |
| 19:44.42 | laurly | off tank died on hyrdros boom all shadow priests die..... was funny. |
| 19:44.48 | Amarande | you pass by the terminal entrance for Malev Hungarian Airlines and you keep trying to read it as Maiev |
| 19:45.23 | laurly | your 10 year old daugher knows the full line up in the corect order of bwl bosses and stays up late to watch chromo fight becouse she thinks hes cute. |
| 19:45.36 | Amarande | could be worse, shadow priests die on Kaz'rogal, boom all tanks die :) |
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| 19:46.02 | laurly | when walking down with the laudry you see a tuft of yellow grass and think "kewl sun grass!" |
| 19:48.42 | Amarande | yay, thottbot, the biggest killer of WoW characters ever |
| 19:48.48 | Keolah | ? |
| 19:49.03 | Amarande | Heya Keolah :) |
| 19:49.20 | Keolah | Why's that? |
| 19:49.24 | Amarande | you go to check something on thottbot, come back, and find yourself dead |
| 19:49.33 | Keolah | heh |
| 19:49.46 | pcj | that's why you use wowhead, duh |
| 19:49.48 | Keolah | there's a reason why I have wow set to play sounds even if I'm in another window. |
| 19:49.50 | Amarande | How's it going? :) |
| 19:49.57 | Amarande | pcj: happens with wowhead too, sadly |
| 19:53.03 | pcj | adys, are openwdb pages going to be categorized or just in the separate namespace |
| 19:53.36 | Adys | er |
| 19:53.57 | Adys | not decided yet, but will prob have just xml categories |
| 19:54.22 | Adys | see Category:XML_Data |
| 19:54.45 | pcj | b/c it would be pretty cool if you could go to Special:Export, add the specific openwdb categories and get all the data at once |
| 19:55.28 | laurly | vashj is such a pain |
| 19:58.09 | Keolah | stonetalon is such a pain. |
| 19:58.25 | Keolah | :) |
| 20:00.47 | Amarande | I'd rather fight Vashj than go to Stonetalon. Keolah has the right of it. :) |
| 20:01.19 | foxlit | http://community.livejournal.com/4chan/2083772.html?thread=36762300#t36762300 |
| 20:01.27 | Amarande | I think they designed ALL the pat paths in stonetalon to intersect the mathematically feasible maximum number of times |
| 20:01.36 | Keolah | trudges all the way to the other side of the zone to turn in this quest. |
| 20:01.52 | Amarande | Keolah, you're not just doing one quest and then turning it on before working on the next, are you? :| |
| 20:01.59 | Keolah | Of course not :P |
| 20:02.21 | pcj | so they're doing some stupid UFO marathon on the history channel...why it's classified as "history" beats me, but it strikes me that a flying saucer would not be the most efficient spacecraft design for deep space travel |
| 20:02.31 | Keolah | I didn't get two chars to level 70 by being a noob, heh. |
| 20:02.56 | Keolah | The history of people thinking they saw UFOs? |
| 20:03.39 | Amarande | Of course they saw UFOs |
| 20:04.03 | Amarande | Unless they're hoaxsters who actually knew what they saw and are trying to claim they're UFOs :) |
| 20:04.04 | Keolah | They might not have! They might have been floaters. |
| 20:04.37 | Keolah | Spots in the eyes! |
| 20:06.03 | Keolah | "I see an unidentified flying object!" "Uh, dude, that's the Good Year blimp." "I see an identified flying object!" |
| 20:18.40 | Kirkburn | This'll humour DuTempete ... check out the sitename of http://writers.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page |
| 20:19.20 | Kirkburn | If I ever need to give someone an example of irony, I now know where to point them. |
| 20:21.00 | Kaso | hah |
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| 20:24.42 | DuTempete | oh... omg... ow |
| 20:24.44 | DuTempete | brain... |
| 20:24.50 | DuTempete | cries. |
| 20:24.54 | DuTempete | that was mean, Kirkburn |
| 20:25.06 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:25.15 | Kirkburn | It's updated now at least (go Kyle!) |
| 20:25.52 | KyleH`` | I really just wanted to see if WikiFactory worked properly for me now lol |
| 20:25.59 | DuTempete | the logo isn't, though |
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| 20:31.27 | Amarande | ok, trying to upload oodles of photos while playing WoW doesn't work well |
| 20:31.37 | laurly | grumbles about ppl not having the macros for vashj |
| 20:33.51 | foxlit | grumbles about laurly expecting people to have macros for vashj |
| 20:33.52 | foxlit | l2p! |
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| 20:37.11 | Keolah | I remember, back on a mud, back when people actually played muds, I was the pvp champion, and never used a single macro or alias or any sort! :p |
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| 20:37.34 | Keolah | I _typed out_ "cast 'whatever spell' target"! :P |
| 20:37.39 | Keolah | I learned to type really fast. :P |
| 20:38.49 | Amarande | hell a lot of MUDs don't even allow macros, they're considered cheating |
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| 20:40.31 | Keolah | Kids these days are spoiled with all their newfangled graphics and buttons ;) |
| 20:41.17 | Keolah | Why, in my day, we didn't have epic mounts, if we wanted to go somewhere, we typed "s,w,n,n,n,n,n,w,w,w,w,w,s,w,nw,u,w,n,d" :p |
| 20:43.36 | kaso_ | In my day we used auto-travel! Ah the good old days, when you could script anything |
| 20:49.08 | Keolah | I keep waiting for the day I see listings in the patch notes for stuff like "Spore bat pets now have a group buff skill" :p |
| 20:52.20 | Amarande | heh, I came to WoW from Guild Wars |
| 20:52.26 | Amarande | In GW, we did have insta-travel |
| 20:53.02 | Amarande | though GW's design almost required it, seeing as EVERYTHING was an instance |
| 20:53.24 | Keolah | heh |
| 20:56.25 | Keolah | God, I hate some aspects of WoW's design sometimes. |
| 20:56.50 | Amarande | such as? |
| 20:56.50 | Keolah | Things can stand on top of each other, but don't want to, so they constantly are turning around and moving 2 feet. :P |
| 20:58.01 | Keolah | This is particularly annoying as a rogue, but annoying as a hunter too when stuff decides to move into melee range solely because it thinks your pet is too close :P |
| 20:58.09 | Keolah | And then the pet does it. Then the mob does it again. Then the pet does it again. |
| 21:01.04 | Adys | oh ho ho |
| 21:01.06 | Adys | (Can't contact the database server: Too many connections (10.8.2.9)) |
| 21:01.15 | laurly | im so bored. |
| 21:01.22 | Keolah | So do something. |
| 21:01.23 | Adys | laurly help me learn python |
| 21:01.40 | laurly | go play with django |
| 21:01.56 | laurly | easy way to learn python |
| 21:02.06 | Adys | hot |
| 21:02.32 | Adys | except its not web apps |
| 21:02.41 | Adys | web apps = php for me |
| 21:02.46 | Adys | well |
| 21:02.56 | Adys | not yet anyway |
| 21:04.04 | Keolah | Fuck's sake. |
| 21:04.14 | Keolah | Tarren Mill is being raided every single time I ever want to turn in a quest there. |
| 21:07.49 | laurly | you know i think quest bot is under 1000 lines of code |
| 21:07.56 | laurly | i love php |
| 21:09.47 | laurly | horde fails |
| 21:09.54 | Adys | i love php too but its full of shit aswell :p |
| 21:10.41 | laurly | how so? |
| 21:11.12 | laurly | LOL was MC'ed i dispelled everyone |
| 21:11.46 | Adys | half of php's functions is shit that should be in plugins or selfcoded |
| 21:12.31 | laurly | hmm |
| 21:12.51 | Adys | http://www.php.net/str_rot13 |
| 21:12.54 | Adys | need i say more :p |
| 21:13.23 | laurly | ok i will give you that. |
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| 21:13.39 | laurly | i found stristr the other day. |
| 21:14.00 | laurly | preg_ match_ all was kinda weird |
| 21:14.34 | laurly | but i wont complain then i dont need to make my own functions |
| 21:14.39 | Kirkburn | (btw, Adys, server problem is known) |
| 21:15.15 | laurly | i really do need 3 monitors |
| 21:19.21 | laurly | decides to aleviat her bordom by reading about adys OpenWDB thingie. |
| 21:19.55 | Adys | Kirkburn: aight |
| 21:20.17 | Adys | laurly: you actually need 4 monitors |
| 21:20.20 | Adys | send the one left my way. |
| 21:21.44 | laurly | i would need a biger desk for 4 |
| 21:22.07 | laurly | or i could mount one on on the wall ............ |
| 21:29.09 | laurly | thinks openwdb sounds like a big headake |
| 21:31.52 | MentalPower | OpenWDB? |
| 21:31.54 | MentalPower | link? |
| 21:32.15 | Adys | http://wowwiki.com/User:Adys/OpenWDB |
| 21:32.37 | pcj | laurly openwdb should make quest generation easier... |
| 21:32.37 | Adys | check the seealso links over that page |
| 21:32.45 | Adys | its kinda outdated |
| 21:34.01 | laurly | wont help pars data from wow head only make puting it in wiki a bit easer |
| 21:34.48 | Adys | should laurly |
| 21:34.54 | Adys | since it comes with xml integration |
| 21:35.15 | laurly | template deals with all that now |
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| 21:51.19 | Sky2042 | gee, thanks Kirkburn. |
| 21:51.26 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 21:53.00 | Sky2042 | not even going to answer me now. pft. |
| 21:53.23 | Kirkburn | gives Sky2042 a hug, then gives him orders |
| 21:53.26 | Sky2042 | die redirect! |
| 21:54.07 | laurly | theres sky |
| 21:55.01 | laurly | Sky2042 foxlit and pcj think that laurlybot should get to use {{item}} |
| 21:58.10 | laurly | you know when the guild is bored: when they all try and kill the ppl MC'ed by trash |
| 21:58.20 | Adys | haha |
| 21:59.18 | Amarande | And why doesn't MY MC make the mob super extra powered up? :QQ |
| 21:59.53 | laurly | LOL there doted to hell and back |
| 22:00.51 | Amarande | I managed to cast dots on myself while we were fighting that last boss in mechanar last night :S |
| 22:01.12 | Amarande | heh, I'm still a little puzzled as to exactly what Siphon Life does when cast on yourself |
| 22:01.30 | laurly | not alot as you get back more HP then you suck |
| 22:01.46 | Amarande | wait, you mean it's actually GOOD to cast SL on a mob that has reflect? |
| 22:02.02 | laurly | swd with spell refelct in can hurt. |
| 22:02.16 | laurly | almost killed myself a few times on curator in evocation |
| 22:03.35 | laurly | not sure its good as you arnt going to do any damage to the mob you are sucking it from you |
| 22:03.57 | laurly | its a strange paradox really |
| 22:04.37 | pcj | it'll probably just resist or be immune or something |
| 22:04.48 | pcj | could probably test it on a warrior with spell reflect |
| 22:04.48 | laurly | no it works i have done it a few times |
| 22:05.22 | laurly | lock drain life drains form you. |
| 22:08.26 | pcj | in soviet russia you drain life from lock |
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| 22:15.17 | Kirkburn | How many WoWWikians are there that live in France? |
| 22:16.07 | Gryphen | 3.5 |
| 22:16.28 | Adys | you're generous Gryphen |
| 22:16.52 | Adys | from the chan theres me and thats it as wowwikian |
| 22:16.55 | Adys | afaik |
| 22:17.19 | Adys | now if you count some others not active on the wiki it might be closer to 3 yea |
| 22:18.13 | Sky2042 | 3.2, imo |
| 22:18.19 | Keolah | Some guy and his cat? |
| 22:18.22 | Adys | 3.14 actually |
| 22:18.32 | Sky2042 | pi |
| 22:18.38 | Adys | rly mr obvious |
| 22:18.39 | Sky2042 | o_o |
| 22:19.12 | Sky2042 | 3.14 != pi |
| 22:19.27 | Adys | rly mr obvious |
| 22:19.45 | Sky2042 | yarly! |
| 22:20.02 | Corgan | orly |
| 22:20.08 | Adys | quiterly |
| 22:20.15 | Corgan | nowai |
| 22:20.27 | Corgan | poofs in a puff of smoke |
| 22:20.28 | Adys | corgan stfu and learn python too |
| 22:20.32 | Adys | plz |
| 22:20.34 | Corgan | hey die |
| 22:20.35 | Corgan | <3 |
| 22:20.39 | Adys | hey |
| 22:20.40 | Adys | die() |
| 22:20.40 | Corgan | I can speak python |
| 22:20.43 | Corgan | HSSSSS |
| 22:20.44 | Adys | ssssss |
| 22:20.45 | Corgan | SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 22:20.48 | Adys | sssssstfu |
| 22:20.56 | Corgan | SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSuck a cock |
| 22:21.06 | Adys | sssssssssso rude :( |
| 22:21.11 | Corgan | bananassssss |
| 22:21.21 | Adys | sssweet sweet bananas :/ |
| 22:21.28 | Adys | goes back afk |
| 22:21.28 | laurly | what adys you havent kicked anyone in days |
| 22:21.33 | Corgan | hugs Adys |
| 22:21.34 | Adys | op laurly |
| 22:22.23 | laurly | can we get a consensis on if laurybot uses item template or not? |
| 22:22.23 | Adys | i kicked pcj this morning laurly |
| 22:22.37 | Adys | meh |
| 22:22.44 | Adys | there will be a new template for items prob |
| 22:22.53 | Adys | when openwdb will be ready |
| 22:23.03 | Adys | is still coding the parsers atm |
| 22:23.04 | laurly | when will openwdb be ready? |
| 22:23.15 | pcj | adys: http://www.xkcd.com/353/ |
| 22:23.17 | Adys | depends on wikia |
| 22:23.43 | Adys | yeah pcj |
| 22:24.08 | laurly | dont want my user page haunted this time becouse the bots using the wrong template |
| 22:24.43 | foxlit | *haunts* |
| 22:25.00 | pcj | foxlit, you're a zombie, not a ghost, duh |
| 22:25.04 | Adys | oh ho ho |
| 22:25.09 | Adys | mw 1.12 released |
| 22:25.22 | pcj | guess that means wowwiki will get it next year |
| 22:26.15 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.15 | Adys | ImportError: No module named antigravity |
| 22:26.16 | Adys | :( |
| 22:26.36 | Adys | xkcd sucks |
| 22:28.10 | Amarande | arrgghhh |
| 22:28.17 | Amarande | and I just upgraded the wiki stuff on my site to 1.11 |
| 22:28.21 | Amarande | like, the other night |
| 22:28.31 | Adys | go ahead and cry |
| 22:28.39 | Amarande | maybe I'll just delete the empty wiki and put the content that would have gone in it in the drupal infrastructure :S |
| 22:28.40 | Adys | i installed vsftpd like |
| 22:28.41 | Amarande | eek |
| 22:28.50 | Adys | the day before the newer release |
| 22:28.53 | Amarande | I almost said "infrustrature" or something like that. |
| 22:28.59 | Adys | except vsftpd hadnt been updated in two years |
| 22:29.24 | Amarande | I mean, Drupal AND a wiki is probably a tad overkill, right? |
| 22:29.45 | Adys | anyone has a small itemcache to send me? |
| 22:29.56 | Adys | about 5-10kb |
| 22:29.59 | Adys | would be idea |
| 22:30.01 | Adys | +l |
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| 22:34.43 | foxlit | -rw-r--r-- 1 7242752 Mar 6 10:00 itemcache.db |
| 22:34.59 | Adys | only? |
| 22:36.05 | Amarande | foxlit: kb, not mb :S |
| 22:36.22 | foxlit | Next you're going to tell him he wanted wdb, not db |
| 22:36.30 | Adys | lmao |
| 22:36.36 | Amarande | actually, he wanted a CSV text file |
| 22:36.36 | foxlit | *him=me |
| 22:36.38 | Amarande | lol |
| 22:36.56 | Adys | no i want a 5-10kb top itemcache :) |
| 22:37.01 | Adys | but ill build one myself |
| 22:38.05 | Adys | lemme see |
| 22:38.12 | Amarande | I still can't believe that's pretty much the best necklace I'm going to have for a long time, that I got last night |
| 22:38.38 | foxlit | mm? |
| 22:38.46 | Amarande | as in, there's hardly anything better, the things that are better are epic and take long hours of PvP, heroics or raiding to get |
| 22:38.59 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Alvaerin the one from Mechanar |
| 22:39.16 | Amarande | speaking of which, am I right that Mech is the shortest instance in the game? |
| 22:39.26 | Amarande | I used to think SM Library was, but I'm pretty sure Mech is shorter |
| 22:39.29 | Adys | itemcache-all ~ 477.1 MB - 19 items, totalling 477 MB |
| 22:39.45 | Adys | fail |
| 22:40.29 | foxlit | sqlite> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM itemcache; |
| 22:40.29 | foxlit | 12543 |
| 22:40.51 | Adys | epeen contest? I tell you I can win at this |
| 22:41.17 | foxlit | dunno, that MB count is through the roof |
| 22:41.30 | Adys | :D |
| 22:43.26 | laurly | im so bored................. |
| 22:43.51 | pcj | adys openwdb implementation in wowwiki would seem to depend on use of stringfunctions right |
| 22:44.03 | Adys | why? |
| 22:44.11 | pcj | well how else are templates to parse xml |
| 22:44.23 | laurly | soap? |
| 22:44.24 | Adys | with a plugin of their own |
| 22:44.29 | pcj | ah i see |
| 22:44.53 | Adys | theres no reason to keep killing the wiki through hacks and stuff |
| 22:45.00 | Adys | we should have xml parsing since ages |
| 22:45.02 | Sky2042 | us, kill the wiki? |
| 22:45.06 | Sky2042 | naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 22:45.12 | Sky2042 | coughitemcough |
| 22:45.12 | Adys | foxlit |
| 22:46.03 | foxlit | Problem is, my hack > your hack :) |
| 22:46.14 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.20 | Adys | fucking slashes |
| 22:46.29 | foxlit | Template arguments seem infinitely cheaper than parsing XML |
| 22:46.47 | Adys | and indefinitely more hassle to maintain |
| 22:47.04 | foxlit | Not really, no |
| 22:47.08 | Adyse | changes a couple of spells |
| 22:47.13 | foxlit | List of updated item ids = problem solved |
| 22:47.51 | Sky2042 | senses irony here... |
| 22:48.04 | Adys | yes that was the plan foxlit |
| 22:48.18 | pcj | hmm depends if it's wiki template vs XSLT or wiki template vs PHP-driven transform of XML |
| 22:48.20 | Adys | at the start :) |
| 22:48.49 | Adys | but XML raw transform of WDBs > template parsing shit |
| 22:49.02 | Adys | leaving it open for others |
| 22:49.38 | foxlit | I assume you looked at the WDB format |
| 22:49.52 | Adys | ... yes? |
| 22:49.55 | foxlit | My personal opinion is that I'd rather be parsing wiki templates than that :) |
| 22:50.03 | Adys | you'll parse xml |
| 22:50.15 | pcj | and you'll like it! |
| 22:50.18 | Adys | which is indefinitely easier to parse than wiki templates if we have the plugin for it |
| 22:50.19 | foxlit | I'm not that concerned about the container |
| 22:50.25 | Sky2042 | watches. |
| 22:50.41 | pcj | should have OpenWDB in JSON format as well imo |
| 22:50.56 | Adys | might aswell keep it in wdb format and let the wiki decode it |
| 22:51.00 | Adys | optimization bitch |
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| 22:51.31 | Adys | seriously though foxlit |
| 22:51.37 | Adys | ill code the parser if its a hassle |
| 22:51.41 | Adys | but there will be two kind of data |
| 22:51.56 | Adys | wdb output, transformed |
| 22:52.03 | Adys | and human overwrite |
| 22:52.15 | pcj | so are you using an XSLT in the plugin which reads the XML adys |
| 22:52.31 | Adys | Not my problem yet |
| 22:52.46 | Adys | wikia codes xml parsing functions and I got all i need |
| 22:52.54 | pcj | Aha, lazy bum |
| 22:53.02 | Adys | qq |
| 22:53.19 | Adys | seriously anyone has a 5kb itemcache or something |
| 22:53.39 | Sky2042 | i might... i'm not quite sure where to look though. |
| 22:53.51 | Sky2042 | if the files are still there, which they should be. |
| 22:53.54 | Adys | cache/wdb/enus |
| 22:54.05 | Sky2042 | mk, sec |
| 22:55.09 | Adys | btw foxlit |
| 22:55.29 | Adys | ever run a diff on identical enus/engb itemcaches by any chance? |
| 22:55.44 | foxlit | no |
| 22:55.54 | Adys | im wondering if its safe to merge |
| 22:55.59 | Adys | i mean once in xml |
| 22:56.01 | Adys | but meh |
| 22:56.37 | Adys | got an itemcache |
| 22:56.57 | Adys | no. |
| 23:00.51 | Adys | hot, got one |
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