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| 00:17.19 | pcj | make up your mind sky |
| 00:20.06 | Sky2042 | pcj: have to bug freenode staff. fun fun! |
| 00:28.40 | Dotted | is away (kd3 - whee squid just went splat) |
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| 02:27.07 | Keolah | My friend dreamed that he stepped on a bug and it dropped a blue. |
| 02:28.24 | Corgan | lol |
| 02:29.00 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 02:31.28 | Amarande | lol |
| 02:31.32 | Amarande | evening Keolah :) |
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| 02:37.40 | Keolah | ih |
| 02:42.58 | Sky2042 | Project Wikipedia, the project for getting WoWWiki articles to Wikipedia-usable status |
| 02:42.59 | Sky2042 | heh |
| 02:43.34 | Keolah | heh |
| 02:43.38 | Keolah | it'll never happen. |
| 02:44.07 | Keolah | Because Wikipedia is defined by half the articles being deleted for being "non-notable" and 50% of the discussion about it being about notability ;p |
| 02:45.01 | Sky2042 | Keolah: it could very well happen. i just don't know how the rest of WW would respond to it. |
| 02:45.13 | Sky2042 | fandyllic would probably hurt me... |
| 02:45.15 | Corgan | I farted. |
| 02:45.24 | Corgan | brushes up against Sky2042 |
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| 02:45.49 | Keolah | Just what we need... wind mages. |
| 02:46.08 | Sky2042 | ~wwstats |
| 02:46.08 | infobot | http://www.bxd.dk/irc/freenode/wowwiki.html |
| 02:56.02 | pcj | why is armory so terrible |
| 02:56.07 | pcj | i mean even wowdb is faster |
| 02:56.37 | Keolah | I never noticed. |
| 03:02.44 | Sky2042 | why do you use wowdb?... |
| 03:02.46 | Sky2042 | o_o |
| 03:03.15 | pcj | sky: i was looking up the item search urls for the new feature in special:preferences |
| 03:09.23 | Sky2042 | heh |
| 03:16.24 | pcj | hmm allakhazam doesn't do powered by tooltips |
| 03:18.42 | Sky2042 | just the xml they've had forever, iirc |
| 03:19.59 | pcj | weak |
| 03:21.07 | pcj | hmm looks like they took a cue from the items WDB |
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| 04:21.38 | Amarande | ok, this Q is seriously irritating, and if it wasn't for the chain it belonged to I would abandon and /spit on it |
| 04:22.18 | Amarande | the only upside is that when you die on netherwing ledge you don't have to ghost and deal with rez sickness etc |
| 04:30.36 | Lukian | Amarande, haha |
| 04:34.00 | pcj | why is it when i turn my settings up my framerate improves |
| 04:52.05 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 04:55.55 | pcj | i went from 16 bit/16 bit/1x multisample to 24 bit/24 bit/6x multisample and my framerate doubled... |
| 04:58.46 | Sky2042 | wtf? |
| 05:07.47 | DuTempete | Anyone else ever find themselves trying to sell WW editing to guildies? :P |
| 05:08.35 | Sky2042 | I sell WW editing to wowhead users... does that count? |
| 05:08.35 | DuTempete | I just gave somebody a speech about how well he knows his class, and he should participate in one of the projects I'm going to set up :P |
| 05:09.04 | DuTempete | He finally created a user acct and updated the guild article today :P |
| 05:09.16 | DuTempete | nah, doesn't count. You're supposed to do that. |
| 05:09.32 | Sky2042 | ??? |
| 05:09.43 | Sky2042 | I'm supposed to do that? |
| 05:10.39 | DuTempete | yuppers. They're strangers who're already chatting up their community about this sort of thing. |
| 05:11.18 | pcj | wowhead people are weird anyway, so don't worry about it too much |
| 05:11.27 | Sky2042 | oh pcj? |
| 05:11.30 | DuTempete | lol |
| 05:11.34 | Sky2042 | (curious) |
| 05:12.04 | Sky2042 | oh, btw, hi sancus! =] |
| 05:49.43 | DuTempete | heh... 0/2 at WW:RFA. |
| 05:50.08 | DuTempete | That's looking to be bad luck :P |
| 05:54.52 | pcj | im gonna put dutempete up for nomination, 3rd time's the charm |
| 05:54.57 | DuTempete | oh god |
| 05:55.10 | DuTempete | you just wanna see me get ravaged :P |
| 05:55.18 | pcj | lol jk <3 |
| 05:55.59 | DuTempete | Actually, I'm not sure I would stop you :P |
| 05:56.34 | DuTempete | It would just be interesting to find out how many people really hate me :P |
| 05:56.57 | pcj | i can't think of any besides sharlin atm |
| 05:57.02 | DuTempete | zeal :P |
| 05:57.18 | pcj | he hates everyone |
| 05:57.24 | DuTempete | true :P |
| 05:57.59 | DuTempete | well I'm not arrogant enough to nominate myself, that's for sure :P |
| 05:58.10 | DuTempete | Want to know somebody actually *wants* me, first :P |
| 05:58.13 | pcj | are you saying self-nomination implies arrogance |
| 05:58.17 | DuTempete | giggles. |
| 05:58.31 | DuTempete | oh, well, not coming from you, pcj :P |
| 06:00.33 | DuTempete | I luuuuuuurve you, pcj! |
| 06:00.52 | pcj | heh |
| 06:01.07 | pcj | well no assaulthead |
| 06:01.17 | DuTempete | still a few hours to go |
| 06:01.44 | pcj | what time was it |
| 06:01.57 | DuTempete | Kirk said 6-9GMT |
| 06:04.37 | DuTempete | oh, so, yeah, I'm gonna finish this new user tutorial I'm working on, then set up front pages for a number of skeleton community projects, including classes |
| 06:04.59 | pcj | sounds like a plan |
| 06:05.01 | DuTempete | put those on the community portal |
| 06:05.25 | DuTempete | then I think I'd like to go with the tabbed style of the tutorial I'm doing, and use that in a couple other help article series. |
| 06:05.41 | DuTempete | do a guidelines and policies set, and then an advanced editing set |
| 06:06.14 | DuTempete | and put them forth like a series... new user first, then guidelines, then advanced. |
| 06:08.54 | pcj | why is coobra randomly editing user pages |
| 06:09.02 | DuTempete | user templates |
| 06:09.11 | DuTempete | he was just updating/adding a bunch I think |
| 06:09.35 | pcj | yes for other users' pages |
| 06:10.04 | DuTempete | oh, lol |
| 06:10.09 | DuTempete | read his summaries :P |
| 06:10.31 | pcj | he didn't have a summary on mine |
| 06:11.40 | DuTempete | ah, he was taking away a templated called WW Editor from some who don't seem to be editing |
| 06:11.51 | DuTempete | and adding it to some of the regular editors that use user templates |
| 06:12.00 | pcj | i don't think it's his place |
| 06:12.12 | DuTempete | well, tell him so :P |
| 06:12.48 | DuTempete | I surely will if he tries to add it to mine. I don't like user templates :P |
| 06:13.36 | DuTempete | but I odubt he's stupid enough to add them to a page that doesn't already have them :P |
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| 06:16.56 | DuTempete | Anyway, pcj, do you get the impression that readers find the editing community to be somewhat unwelcoming? Like the help articles are hard to navigate or hard to understand, or that they're perhaps a little buried? |
| 06:17.23 | pcj | help articles are hard to find, yes |
| 06:17.33 | pcj | not that i look for them |
| 06:18.04 | DuTempete | well, I know we have a very low reader to editor ratio... or something like that (some statistic Kirk was talking about with me) |
| 06:18.31 | DuTempete | and we get a lot of questions on the VP asking about some fiarly basic things. |
| 06:19.00 | DuTempete | editing guides aren't super visible on the main page, and community stuff definitely isn't |
| 06:19.26 | pcj | hopefully the portals will help there |
| 06:19.26 | DuTempete | Even though there's a link to the VP on every page, there's nothing telling people what it is. |
| 06:19.55 | DuTempete | there's no "here's how easy it is to get on IRC" just "This is where we IRC" |
| 06:20.23 | DuTempete | and even though we have a hug elist of things to do, there isn't a lot of things new users can do that have some kind of ultimate purpose. |
| 06:20.33 | DuTempete | There isn't a lot of guidance |
| 06:22.07 | DuTempete | I've noticed a supreme lack of "followers" |
| 06:22.50 | DuTempete | we all seem to be the kind of peopl ethat figure this sort of thing out for ourselves, and run amuck on th einternet clicking links willy-nilly |
| 06:22.55 | pcj | ah |
| 06:23.18 | pcj | well template standardization would help a bit |
| 06:23.28 | pcj | if things are uniform throughout the wiki it would ease navigation |
| 06:23.48 | DuTempete | which tells me we're unwelcoming to the following sort. There are likely to be plenty of other folks about, willing ot help, so long as they feel like they're being given direction. |
| 06:24.47 | DuTempete | *nod* I'm sure it would, some. |
| 06:25.53 | DuTempete | When I get my new user template finished, I'm gonna present it on the VP, and demand that a link to it shows up right on the front page, big and bright, without having to scroll anywhere to see it. |
| 06:26.23 | DuTempete | My hope, and feeling is that it will go a long way in encouraging folks. |
| 06:27.03 | pcj | Well, added my thoughts to SWman's rfa |
| 06:29.15 | DuTempete | well, I can't really argue with the popularity contest thing. I don't really have the right perspective for that. |
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| 06:31.03 | DuTempete | And sure, SWM is the honest enough sort to do well with admin tools *if* I thought he were brave enough to either stick to his guns, or make a move when necessary. |
| 06:31.41 | pcj | it's not like admins take action in a vacuum |
| 06:31.46 | pcj | swman would have other admins to back him up |
| 06:31.51 | DuTempete | And, although I tend to agree with what WP has to say about adminship, consider that WP also has a history of inappropriately choosing admins |
| 06:32.01 | DuTempete | a vacuum? |
| 06:32.06 | pcj | So? They can always remove them |
| 06:32.32 | DuTempete | thus creating more work for the other admins, when it could have been prevented entirely by being a tad choosier. |
| 06:33.01 | pcj | There's something to be said for being too choosy and only having adys on at 9am to block assaulthead when he shows up |
| 06:33.55 | DuTempete | babysitting is *not* one of the admin's jobs. They shouldn't have to pat SWM on the back every time he made a good decision just to keep him from backing down when argued with. |
| 06:34.23 | DuTempete | That's an issue of needing more EU admins, not being too choosy. |
| 06:35.13 | pcj | Well, I don't really disagree with the SWman thing, he wouldn't be my first choice for admin |
| 06:35.22 | pcj | But he would be responsible with the tools |
| 06:35.24 | DuTempete | *nod* |
| 06:35.29 | DuTempete | I agree |
| 06:36.27 | DuTempete | I'd rather have someone who doesn't use them, or retracts, than someone who uses them too much, or argues when he should back down. |
| 06:37.11 | pcj | They should stand their ground, but realize when they're wrong |
| 06:37.13 | DuTempete | If he had support from somebody more experienced than Mr.X8 and Coobra... I might've voted for him |
| 06:37.31 | pcj | ugh |
| 06:37.45 | pcj | Well, it's still a popularity contest then |
| 06:38.03 | DuTempete | why does that make it a popularity contest? |
| 06:38.26 | DuTempete | Those two pretty much just said "You should be an admin cuz we like you." |
| 06:38.30 | pcj | You'd vote because he had someone else backing him up rather than your personal evaluation of him? |
| 06:40.08 | DuTempete | No, I'd change it because I'm close enough to the other side that if someone vouched for him that I have a reasonable amount of trust in, and that had a good reason, I would probably swing the othe rway. |
| 06:41.21 | DuTempete | That's what discussion and argument are about... using reason and the credentials of others to make decisions :P |
| 06:41.46 | pcj | Ah, but what is the question behind the RfA |
| 06:41.57 | pcj | can the user in question be trusted with adminship |
| 06:42.23 | pcj | that would be more an evaluation of the user's character than anything else |
| 06:42.37 | DuTempete | judged by actions |
| 06:42.37 | pcj | and yes, other people can point out edits that go for or against the user |
| 06:42.48 | DuTempete | it isn't only about edits |
| 06:42.50 | pcj | but i don't see how credentials of other people lends anything to those arguments |
| 06:43.02 | pcj | well, character as expressed through edits |
| 06:43.08 | pcj | since that's the only way you see it on the wiki |
| 06:43.11 | DuTempete | other people may know SWM better than I do |
| 06:43.25 | DuTempete | not everything is seen by edits, hun |
| 06:43.52 | DuTempete | especially when it involves a person who participates in IRC :P |
| 06:44.14 | pcj | OK, maybe contributions is a better word |
| 06:44.42 | DuTempete | More than once *I've* caught SWM in a mistake, and he groveled at me when I corrected him. He's done it on talk pages as well as in IRC. |
| 06:44.51 | DuTempete | I've also seen him do it with other people in both places. |
| 06:45.43 | pcj | OK, good, so that's your personal experience and you can share that as an equally valid point as anything (more "concrete") coobra or mr.x8 could bring up as far as i'm concerned |
| 06:45.46 | DuTempete | One needs to consider that one does not know everything about a person. So, if there is anyone to trust who may know other things, their opinion should also be weighed. |
| 06:45.53 | DuTempete | I did... |
| 06:46.01 | pcj | you did, yes |
| 06:46.36 | pcj | but like i'm saying credentials of the other voters shouldn't play a part in an RfA |
| 06:46.50 | pcj | above a certain point anyway |
| 06:46.57 | DuTempete | what point, then? |
| 06:47.42 | pcj | The point where it's obvious the user isn't creating other accounts to support himself |
| 06:48.20 | pcj | As long as the supporters/opposers bring up valid points and the decision is left to the bureaucrats, I vote as I see it |
| 06:48.33 | DuTempete | so, as long as the other acct isn't the same person, you don't care whether they may have had different/more experiences with him? |
| 06:49.52 | pcj | if he's a generally nice guy then more people will have good experiences with him than bad |
| 06:50.13 | pcj | If he's timid, more people will see he's timid |
| 06:50.27 | DuTempete | never met anybody who was nice to a certain person but not to others, for whatever reason? |
| 06:51.24 | pcj | There is a certain limit to what you need to judge a person's character for wiki adminship |
| 06:51.41 | pcj | You don't have to pull up his complete criminal record and scrutinize every parking ticket |
| 06:51.57 | pcj | It is not the most serious thing in the world |
| 06:52.08 | pcj | If there is a problem, it should be obvious |
| 06:52.27 | pcj | If it wasn't obvious before the person becomes admin, that person can be consulted and/or the problem rectified |
| 06:53.27 | DuTempete | no, but I do like to consider that my point of view is only a tiny bit of the whole of things. I like to listen to other people's thoughts before making a decision and expressing it. I like to learn other perspectives on things before making judgements. |
| 06:54.18 | DuTempete | well, I've had my opinions on adminship based on the fact that I refuse to create more work for them than necessary. |
| 06:54.21 | pcj | Sure, and you can vote how you like, but I don't let other perspectives form the basis of my decision. If there is something to the points other people make, I investigate it for myself before deciding |
| 06:55.47 | pcj | oh like admins couldn't use more work... |
| 06:56.38 | DuTempete | well of course I do what I can to investigate it, but WW being as trivial as it is on the scale of important things in my life... I probably rely more on my trust of others and personal experience than I do on time spent investigating. |
| 06:57.19 | pcj | Well, we've only had two RfAs thus far and most of the issues with both candidates should have been fairly obvious |
| 06:57.46 | pcj | Even some of the already instated admins have issues |
| 06:58.16 | DuTempete | *nod* |
| 06:58.19 | pcj | Well it is trivial, but then you don't have to weigh in |
| 06:58.59 | DuTempete | If everyone waited until he or shee did a full investigation, no one would vote :P |
| 07:00.09 | DuTempete | lol Coobra's staying up to revert all his user page edits :P |
| 07:00.34 | pcj | like i said, you don't have to pull up their entire criminal record to find if there's something which would affect a trivial decision as this |
| 07:02.11 | DuTempete | do you think we really need more admins in general? |
| 07:02.33 | DuTempete | we do already have Kirk and Adys at that time of day, don't we? |
| 07:02.42 | pcj | i think the policy could be a bit looser |
| 07:02.48 | pcj | i mean we are the second largest wiki in the world |
| 07:02.55 | DuTempete | no, we aren't |
| 07:02.57 | DuTempete | we're the 3rd |
| 07:03.04 | pcj | then kirkburn lies |
| 07:03.08 | DuTempete | yes :P |
| 07:03.11 | pcj | close enough though |
| 07:03.14 | DuTempete | guild wars wiki is larger |
| 07:03.23 | pcj | they will paaaayyy |
| 07:03.30 | DuTempete | but not by much :P |
| 07:03.32 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 07:03.47 | pcj | but yeah, policy on it could be looser |
| 07:04.27 | DuTempete | oh, my bad, it isn't guild wars |
| 07:04.30 | DuTempete | it's wookiepedia |
| 07:04.35 | pcj | ugh |
| 07:04.41 | DuTempete | policy on admins? howso? |
| 07:04.42 | pcj | i don't know which is worse |
| 07:05.20 | pcj | change of mindset, adminship viewed more like an extended toolset than anything else |
| 07:05.42 | DuTempete | we're only about 1000 off from wookiee, and we'll pass them up for sure. |
| 07:05.51 | pcj | users or pages |
| 07:05.54 | DuTempete | pages |
| 07:06.03 | pcj | hmmm |
| 07:06.56 | pcj | yeah he only reverted two :P |
| 07:07.01 | DuTempete | lol |
| 07:09.07 | pcj | something else that might help navigation is more encyclopedic articles |
| 07:09.22 | pcj | i know in wikipedia i can spend hours linking from article to article because they have content |
| 07:09.48 | pcj | on wowwiki i have to keep clicking random page to do similar because it's not very rich content |
| 07:10.07 | DuTempete | what do you mean encyclopedic? |
| 07:10.24 | pcj | paragraph style rather than list |
| 07:10.38 | Sky2042 | does business in a vacuum, usually. |
| 07:10.39 | pcj | sure lists are handy but should complement paragraph instead of supplant it imo |
| 07:10.48 | pcj | and you suck at it too |
| 07:11.00 | DuTempete | do I? |
| 07:11.06 | pcj | what |
| 07:11.11 | DuTempete | I don't write a lot of original content... |
| 07:11.19 | pcj | was talking to sky with that last bit |
| 07:11.21 | pcj | :P |
| 07:11.22 | DuTempete | I can't recall the last time I wrote original content |
| 07:11.28 | DuTempete | oh, I didn't notice that :P |
| 07:11.31 | pcj | vacuum, suck...nvm |
| 07:11.33 | DuTempete | smacks Sky2042 |
| 07:11.40 | pcj | yeah i try to ignore sky as much as possible too |
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| 07:11.45 | DuTempete | I didn't see Sky2042's smart-assed comment :P |
| 07:12.09 | DuTempete | holy crap... anyone get as annoyed by Amarande as I do? |
| 07:12.20 | pcj | ~seen amarande |
| 07:12.22 | infobot | amarande <i=amarande@24-151-1-061.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 36m 4s ago, saying: 'or by some orcs who keep you busy just long enough so the 72 elite pats can come along'. |
| 07:12.30 | DuTempete | he just logeed out, silly :P |
| 07:12.42 | DuTempete | I've been waiting to say that alllll night. |
| 07:12.43 | pcj | just wondering what he was talking about that annoyed you |
| 07:12.56 | DuTempete | I can't even talk to him anymore, or I just get snarky. |
| 07:13.10 | pcj | /ignore? |
| 07:13.22 | DuTempete | he'd get along well in #wowhead I think :P |
| 07:13.32 | pcj | yeah they're craaaazy in there |
| 07:13.33 | Sky2042 | thanks pcj for the compliment. |
| 07:13.37 | pcj | weird people |
| 07:13.53 | Sky2042 | you betcha. |
| 07:14.13 | Sky2042 | yay pings. |
| 07:14.26 | pcj | pings? how about a finger |
| 07:14.39 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 07:15.00 | DuTempete | well, he talks a lot.... and with the "which class/spec is best" frame of mind |
| 07:15.56 | DuTempete | and he goes on a lot about the game, which, if he would notice, doesn't occur here much outside of whatever conversation he starts, and frankly if I wanted to talk about it, I'd go to #wowhead :P |
| 07:16.38 | pcj | ok |
| 07:17.00 | DuTempete | he very much, and probably quite in general, rubs me the wrong way :P |
| 07:17.17 | Sky2042 | whom? |
| 07:17.22 | DuTempete | Amarande |
| 07:17.46 | Sky2042 | who is it that adds that <<admin>>.... grrr |
| 07:17.52 | Sky2042 | i really don't want that there. |
| 07:17.53 | pcj | fandy |
| 07:18.12 | DuTempete | wasn't that your idea, though, Sky? |
| 07:18.25 | Sky2042 | no?... |
| 07:18.30 | pcj | it was fandy's idea |
| 07:18.35 | pcj | looks like he didn't do it though |
| 07:18.38 | DuTempete | ah, then I'm recalling the edit incorrectly |
| 07:18.40 | pcj | this time |
| 07:18.44 | Sky2042 | fandy decided on that all by his lonesome self. |
| 07:18.49 | Sky2042 | per usual. |
| 07:19.04 | Keolah | I am highly amused that under the heading "Things everyone needs to constantly watch out for:" is the line "The Twin Emperors share the movements of a Night Elf male." |
| 07:19.07 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki%3ARequests_for_adminship&diff=1109161&oldid=1109157 |
| 07:19.08 | Keolah | That's terrifying, I'm sure. :p |
| 07:19.50 | DuTempete | according to the directions, though, it's done to weigh an otherwise balanced vote |
| 07:20.03 | DuTempete | That's rather confusing to me, Keolah :P |
| 07:20.17 | DuTempete | You think that's a hint the twin emperors are gay? |
| 07:20.28 | pcj | no, animation movements |
| 07:20.34 | pcj | as in they're based off the same model |
| 07:20.44 | Sky2042 | DuTempete: it should be based entirely on merit. if we need a tie-breaker, that goes to Fand or Kirk to decide, which ever of them recuses from it (if they do so) |
| 07:20.46 | pcj | like if they danced it'd be that fugly dance male nelves do |
| 07:20.47 | DuTempete | so.... they're gay? |
| 07:20.52 | pcj | yeah probably |
| 07:20.56 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 07:21.12 | DuTempete | well, it wasn't my decision, Sky :P |
| 07:21.13 | Keolah | hehe |
| 07:21.31 | Sky2042 | kicks fandyllic upside the head. |
| 07:22.00 | pcj | i still want to know why fandy is a bureaucrat |
| 07:22.08 | DuTempete | Ok, I'm starting a new topic on Fandy's talk page.... "Very good reasons why you should be in IRC" |
| 07:22.20 | DuTempete | Fandy's been a bureaucrat for longer than Kirkburn has, pcj :P |
| 07:22.32 | DuTempete | Fandy was the one that mdae Kirk an admin in the first place :P |
| 07:22.33 | Sky2042 | he was here when we had no one but 2 admins and rustak |
| 07:22.44 | Sky2042 | or maybe just rustak |
| 07:22.46 | Sky2042 | :x |
| 07:23.17 | pcj | no excuse |
| 07:23.19 | DuTempete | I think we should all post a reason for Fandy :P |
| 07:23.25 | pcj | his edits are shoddy at best |
| 07:23.29 | Sky2042 | i wouldn't mind a -bureau, but then, pcj, it's just an extra button or two, eh? |
| 07:23.38 | Sky2042 | no double standards little man |
| 07:24.00 | pcj | no double standards, he creates more work for everyone else |
| 07:24.09 | pcj | he misuses wiki syntax |
| 07:24.13 | Sky2042 | yes, but that has little to do with him being a bureau. |
| 07:24.26 | pcj | if he stuck to that probably |
| 07:24.39 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 07:25.09 | Sky2042 | i'm wondering about noming another user... i'm sure he'd get beaten up, and i'm not quite sure he would take on the nom. |
| 07:25.19 | DuTempete | which? |
| 07:25.27 | pcj | dutempete isn't a guy, nub |
| 07:25.30 | DuTempete | lol |
| 07:25.32 | Sky2042 | Eirik came to mind. |
| 07:25.37 | pcj | oh god |
| 07:25.37 | DuTempete | oh god no |
| 07:25.42 | Sky2042 | (see) |
| 07:25.48 | pcj | fandy would probably make him an admin just to get at me |
| 07:25.55 | DuTempete | guy makes enough of an ass of himself without having power |
| 07:26.36 | Sky2042 | i don't see him misusing it, though. his interactions outside the VP (and usually there, as well) are generally for the better, and he obviously won't take smack. |
| 07:26.46 | Sky2042 | s/better/good/ |
| 07:26.47 | Sky2042 | ? |
| 07:26.55 | Sky2042 | gah |
| 07:26.57 | pcj | uh no they aren't |
| 07:27.02 | Sky2042 | goes hunting into his css. |
| 07:27.04 | Sky2042 | oh? |
| 07:27.12 | pcj | he's more hostile than i am |
| 07:27.20 | Sky2042 | where? :/ |
| 07:27.22 | pcj | he complains more than zeal |
| 07:27.43 | pcj | on various people's talk pages |
| 07:28.04 | pcj | i'm not going to pull it all up because he's not going to be considered |
| 07:28.19 | DuTempete | ok, each of you needs to add a reason |
| 07:28.34 | DuTempete | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Fandyllic |
| 07:29.12 | Sky2042 | what did you do?... |
| 07:29.41 | DuTempete | make an attempt to persuade Fandy to join IRC |
| 07:30.11 | pcj | Added mine |
| 07:30.19 | DuTempete | keep in mind his argument against it is that he's to volatile |
| 07:30.27 | Sky2042 | ???? |
| 07:30.35 | Sky2042 | that's a scary excuse |
| 07:30.36 | DuTempete | LOL |
| 07:30.43 | DuTempete | pcj, good one :P |
| 07:30.58 | Sky2042 | hmmm, what should I add |
| 07:32.40 | DuTempete | now's a good time for general reasons IRC is a good thing :P |
| 07:33.29 | pcj | what? |
| 07:33.42 | Sky2042 | DuTempete: did you seriously spell realize with an s? |
| 07:33.45 | Sky2042 | !!!! |
| 07:33.50 | DuTempete | yes, I seriously did... OMGZ |
| 07:33.57 | DuTempete | I've been doing that for ages, Sky :P |
| 07:34.03 | pcj | realize with an s and omgs with a z... |
| 07:34.04 | Sky2042 | o_O |
| 07:34.10 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 07:34.16 | Sky2042 | i never realized... |
| 07:34.19 | Sky2042 | coughpun |
| 07:34.24 | pcj | laaame |
| 07:35.44 | Sky2042 | i added 2 more. |
| 07:36.01 | Sky2042 | well, that was weird... |
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| 07:37.30 | Sky2042 | .... |
| 07:37.33 | pcj | i was actually serious about the disagreeing part and am somewhat dismayed that you downplayed my seriousness with your reason |
| 07:37.38 | DuTempete_ | stupid router :( |
| 07:37.47 | Sky2042 | pcj: i wasn't serious with the first one :P |
| 07:37.51 | Sky2042 | (my) first one |
| 07:37.54 | DuTempete_ | lol |
| 07:38.55 | Sky2042 | another editor i am considering nomming was jiyambi... |
| 07:39.00 | Sky2042 | s/was/is/ |
| 07:39.08 | Sky2042 | (jumanji imo) |
| 07:39.16 | DuTempete | lol |
| 07:39.28 | DuTempete | not sure Jiyambi would be interested |
| 07:39.34 | Sky2042 | aye |
| 07:39.35 | DuTempete | but from what I know if her, I don't think I'd argue |
| 07:39.47 | DuTempete | ok, refresh the list :P |
| 07:39.58 | Sky2042 | heh |
| 07:39.58 | pcj | damn edit conflict |
| 07:40.03 | Sky2042 | OWNT |
| 07:40.16 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 07:41.02 | DuTempete | lol... you just *had* to bring up the cost edits... |
| 07:41.18 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 07:42.21 | DuTempete | refresh :P |
| 07:42.31 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 07:43.28 | Sky2042 | man, du, have you ever considered using darktable to put your sig in rather than all that custom stuff? |
| 07:43.39 | Sky2042 | (just for the shell) |
| 07:43.55 | DuTempete | giggles hysterically... |
| 07:43.55 | pcj | don't disparage her signature |
| 07:43.58 | pcj | it is inviolate |
| 07:44.16 | DuTempete | lol |
| 07:44.16 | DuTempete | darktable is too light, or I would |
| 07:44.25 | DuTempete | refresh again :P |
| 07:44.27 | Sky2042 | or, actually, putting a couple spaces in?... |
| 07:44.42 | Sky2042 | Lol |
| 07:44.42 | DuTempete | spaces? what for? |
| 07:45.22 | Sky2042 | in the css. |
| 07:45.36 | DuTempete | why, so you can read it? what do you need to read it for? |
| 07:45.40 | Sky2042 | so that we have higher chance of a small section, meaning there woulnd't be as many line breaks. |
| 07:45.41 | Sky2042 | nah |
| 07:45.50 | Sky2042 | so i miss out on reading it :P |
| 07:46.32 | DuTempete | I really don't see how putting spaces in it is going to do that for you |
| 07:47.42 | Sky2042 | putting 2 spaces in the css (you have it coded as style="x:y" as opposed to style="x: y;") gets rid of an entire line. meaning, less for me to have to skim past, and thus a lower chance of having to view it. |
| 07:48.22 | pcj | skim past in edit mode? |
| 07:48.28 | pcj | ... |
| 07:48.42 | Sky2042 | zomg, some of us read in edit mode. scary thought |
| 07:48.42 | DuTempete | huh? |
| 07:48.52 | pcj | lol |
| 07:48.56 | pcj | just lol |
| 07:49.40 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:DuTempete/Signature&curid=92495&diff=1274868&oldid=867184 |
| 07:50.32 | pcj | oh sht |
| 07:50.46 | Sky2042 | mmm? |
| 07:50.54 | Sky2042 | refresh fandy's page |
| 07:51.18 | DuTempete | sorry, Sky, links aren't working in Xchat for me :( |
| 07:51.41 | Sky2042 | c/p then imo |
| 07:52.23 | DuTempete | can't |
| 07:52.37 | DuTempete | dunno what the problem is... someitmes it works, sometimes it doesn't |
| 07:52.43 | Sky2042 | huh |
| 07:54.41 | DuTempete | ah, I see what you mean, Sky |
| 07:55.43 | DuTempete | But, honestly Sky, where it puts a newline depends on where in the line it starts :P |
| 07:55.57 | Sky2042 | mmm? |
| 07:57.17 | DuTempete | where it starts in a line determines where the newlines are... |
| 07:57.27 | DuTempete | sometimes it takes up fewer lines than others |
| 07:57.30 | pcj | uhhh |
| 07:57.45 | pcj | if there's a space it breaks it at the space |
| 07:57.52 | Sky2042 | bingo. |
| 07:57.53 | pcj | otherwise it may go a little longer |
| 07:57.57 | Sky2042 | we like space breaks. |
| 07:58.10 | DuTempete | but the space may force it to break earlier than it normally would |
| 07:58.22 | Sky2042 | when is normal? :/ |
| 08:01.01 | DuTempete | *sigh* the wiki is choking again |
| 08:02.16 | DuTempete | there, I've added more spaces |
| 08:03.07 | Sky2042 | that was prolly too many... but oh well. |
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| 08:03.30 | DuTempete | what is too many? |
| 08:03.52 | pcj | night |
| 08:03.55 | DuTempete | I only put in 6 or so |
| 08:03.56 | Sky2042 | night |
| 08:03.58 | DuTempete | sweet dreams, pcj |
| 08:04.08 | Sky2042 | you put in 15 from the edit |
| 08:04.10 | Sky2042 | ;p |
| 08:04.12 | Sky2042 | from RC* |
| 08:05.49 | DuTempete | I only added in abou twice as much data as you did |
| 08:06.09 | Sky2042 | heh |
| 08:06.10 | DuTempete | 460 > 468kB was yours |
| 08:06.20 | DuTempete | and 468 > 483kB was mine |
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| 08:35.01 | laurly | gives Sky2042 an evil look |
| 08:35.09 | Sky2042 | oh boy. |
| 08:35.13 | Sky2042 | waits. |
| 08:35.21 | DuTempete | listens intently |
| 08:35.46 | laurly | note i have been up about 5 min so not fully awake |
| 08:36.14 | laurly | do you have any idea how to get the bot to do disambig pages with out her having a huge database with the names of every quest known to man like the other bot did |
| 08:36.31 | Sky2042 | didn't do it. Thank god. |
| 08:36.34 | laurly | or with out me haveing to run test page names against wiki to find one that isnt there already? |
| 08:37.04 | laurly | then the quest chain names and the ones in prev next are going to have to be delt with by a human :) |
| 08:37.32 | Sky2042 | laurly: code your bot so that when it hits a multiple-quest name, just have it add a listing (using bullets) to user:laurlybot/needdisambig or something? |
| 08:38.00 | Sky2042 | or, alternatively, disambig using QID. that's non-optimal, however |
| 08:38.26 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Chainnotice |
| 08:40.32 | laurly | disambig using quest id is ugly |
| 08:40.46 | Sky2042 | indeed. |
| 08:42.43 | laurly | i have had sevral ppl complain about the lack of item template |
| 08:43.04 | Sky2042 | point em to me. |
| 08:43.06 | Sky2042 | >:) |
| 08:43.26 | Sky2042 | or to where you've pointed them already. |
| 08:43.36 | DuTempete | Laurly: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Fandyllic#Reasons_Fandyllic_should_perma-join_IRC |
| 08:43.47 | laurly | foxlit pcj and coobra |
| 08:44.01 | Sky2042 | why the first 2? i saw coobra's addition. |
| 08:44.46 | laurly | dont know they said it in channel the other day. |
| 08:44.50 | laurly | whos Fandyllic? |
| 08:45.13 | Sky2042 | bureaucrat that we never see... |
| 08:45.18 | Sky2042 | on irc |
| 08:45.26 | Sky2042 | kills Fisker-. |
| 08:45.55 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/quest_bot/template <-- thats the latest template |
| 08:46.03 | laurly | its growing |
| 08:46.27 | laurly | oh... |
| 08:46.33 | sacarasc | Sky2042: killing Fisker- isn't nice... it deprives the rest of us from torturing him |
| 08:46.36 | laurly | | category = {QUESTCAT} |
| 08:47.03 | laurly | phase 2 what im going to do is have the bot rerun all the quests check start npc figuer out where he is and dump that in the cat |
| 08:47.27 | Sky2042 | hmm... |
| 08:48.02 | laurly | its the only way i can figuer out how to find a categorie |
| 08:48.14 | laurly | old bot riped them from thottbot |
| 08:52.01 | laurly | how do you get user edit count to work? |
| 08:52.28 | Sky2042 | Foxlit runs Foxbot, which updates when he wakes it up. |
| 08:52.43 | Sky2042 | s/updates/updates manually/ |
| 08:53.13 | laurly | {{User Editcount}}? |
| 08:53.17 | Sky2042 | uh huh |
| 08:53.34 | Sky2042 | i have it on a subpage, so that the bot doesn't edit my user page. |
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| 09:00.46 | laurly | sounds like a good idea |
| 09:04.44 | Fisker- | RAWR |
| 09:04.48 | Fisker- | kills Sky2042 |
| 09:04.53 | Fisker- | you have awakened me |
| 09:05.02 | Sky2042 | you're already dead. |
| 09:05.06 | Sky2042 | so not a problem. |
| 09:05.11 | Fisker- | i'm invincible |
| 09:08.46 | laurly | there finaly put everthing in categories so i dont keep loosing pages. |
| 09:08.59 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 09:09.09 | Sky2042 | laurly: how about [[Special:Prefixindex/User:Laurly]]? |
| 09:09.10 | laurly | i sware theres loads some where from the old bot |
| 09:09.12 | Sky2042 | =] |
| 09:09.57 | laurly | hey thats kewl! |
| 09:11.35 | Sky2042 | you can also transclude it, like a template. |
| 09:11.51 | Sky2042 | you can make it as (non)specific as you want |
| 09:12.20 | Sky2042 | S:PI/User:Laurly as opposed to S:PI/User:Laurlybot as opposed to S:PI/User: as opposed to S:PI |
| 09:13.36 | laurly | slow wiki? |
| 09:16.08 | Sky2042 | slow youtube :/\ |
| 09:16.29 | laurly | there sd'ed the pages that i knew i had lost some place :) |
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| 09:18.28 | laurly | hmm so what was i doing today. |
| 09:20.25 | Sky2042_ | uh... actual work? |
| 09:20.49 | laurly | you know i should fix some stuff for work :) |
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| 10:33.10 | Fisker- | btw Adys |
| 10:33.12 | Fisker- | i'm going to WWI |
| 10:33.20 | Fisker- | got a vacation that month |
| 10:37.46 | sacarasc | you're time travelling to have a vacation in World War I? |
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| 10:53.44 | Fisker- | yes |
| 10:57.01 | laurly | is running out of resonable comments for sding |
| 11:03.17 | Adys | Fisker-, dont bring steve ballmer with you |
| 11:03.26 | Adys | i might have a knife there |
| 11:03.41 | Adys | and itd suck losing such a good ceo right |
| 11:06.55 | Fisker- | That's alright |
| 11:07.22 | Fisker- | Ballmer already know that the anti-ms zealots want to kill him |
| 11:07.34 | Fisker- | He has adequate protection for that |
| 11:10.20 | laurly | kicks wiki'"!!!dsalfkjlfæsdajf |
| 11:10.37 | laurly | Quest:Taming the Beast (Draenei 3) Quest:Taming the Beast (Draenei ,3) WTF!!! |
| 11:12.00 | laurly | whats that thigie to find out what links to a page? |
| 11:13.05 | Adys | toolbox: whatlinksthere |
| 11:16.07 | laurly | grumbles about how many ques chains shes done twice |
| 11:32.57 | laurly | i dont want to clean up this mess.... |
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| 11:46.24 | laurly | slow wiki |
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| 13:04.17 | Adys | http://208.116.9.205/10/graphics/pics/10963/1.jpg |
| 13:04.23 | Adys | that made me laugh |
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| 13:11.30 | pcj | sicko |
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| 13:26.18 | Adys | Soooooo |
| 13:26.28 | Adys | whooooo wanna process a 94.6MB xml file? :p |
| 13:27.01 | Adys | laurly: ping :) |
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| 13:27.09 | laurly | ping |
| 13:27.21 | Fisker- | it's pong |
| 13:27.21 | Adys | Could I abuse laurlybot for a while? |
| 13:27.26 | Adys | SHUT UP NOOB |
| 13:27.35 | Fisker- | why are you talking to yourself? |
| 13:27.36 | laurly | depends on what you want to do to her. she doesnt like whips and chains |
| 13:27.54 | Adys | awh |
| 13:30.12 | pcj | some guild stubs have been up for sd for over a month now |
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| 13:38.46 | laurly | kicks slow wiki |
| 13:41.18 | pcj | kicks slow curse.com idiocy |
| 13:43.57 | laurly | pcj when you taged all the quests for the bot did you go though stub/quest? |
| 13:44.17 | pcj | No |
| 13:45.27 | laurly | lovly |
| 13:46.18 | laurly | i have lost it doing <nowiki> isnted of <noinclude< |
| 13:46.48 | pcj | lol |
| 13:50.19 | laurly | is tempted to start with quest_id 1 and work up |
| 13:51.02 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Triage_%28Horde%29#Rewards <--- why doesnt that work right? |
| 13:51.33 | foxlit | Because {{spell}} is the root of all evil |
| 13:53.08 | pcj | and spell:10846 doesn't exist? |
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| 13:55.18 | laurly | blames adys for her pc crashing.... |
| 13:55.27 | Adys | pats laurly |
| 13:55.53 | laurly | IE is extreamly unhappy |
| 13:55.57 | Adys | foxlit: 3 million lines for this xml :) |
| 13:56.04 | Adys | U WANT?N?? |
| 13:56.24 | foxlit | Er, no |
| 13:56.29 | Adys | aw |
| 13:56.48 | laurly | grumbles |
| 13:56.53 | laurly | foxlit kick adys for me plx |
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| 13:58.47 | pcj | wb laurly |
| 13:59.05 | laurly | hmm |
| 14:00.01 | laurly | any of you every had an eggdrop bot? |
| 14:00.08 | Adys | almost |
| 14:00.41 | Kalroth | I ran a few back on ircnet, but it's been a while |
| 14:01.01 | laurly | http://www.xdobry.de/mysqltcl/ <--- how hard is it going to be to get that working? |
| 14:01.08 | Adys | Kalroth: u want ma 3 million lines madness |
| 14:01.14 | Adys | 96mb xml! |
| 14:01.16 | laurly | its been about 10 years since i have had one. |
| 14:01.20 | Kalroth | I got plenty of madness for myself! |
| 14:01.43 | Adys | oh gief |
| 14:02.16 | laurly | if i can get an eggdrop to pop stuff into a que in the database php bot can run it from there. |
| 14:02.51 | pcj | looks pretty simple laurly |
| 14:03.22 | laurly | been a while since i have compiled anything on my own on the server. |
| 14:03.59 | laurly | either that or i make a irc bot in php but thats not exactly stable. |
| 14:04.13 | pcj | lol |
| 14:05.45 | laurly | ecah... http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Twilight_Ring_of_Lordship <-- fix that |
| 14:06.32 | foxlit | Is there any reason your spacing is mad? |
| 14:07.23 | laurly | which one? |
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| 14:07.30 | foxlit | In that rewards section |
| 14:07.44 | Kalroth | looks like two paragraphs? |
| 14:07.52 | Kalroth | after the first line, yeah? |
| 14:08.35 | laurly | grrr thats the template sec |
| 14:08.37 | foxlit | nah, in code |
| 14:08.43 | foxlit | " {{Lootbox|You will receive:" |
| 14:08.48 | foxlit | " |Twilight Cultist Ring of Lordship" |
| 14:08.53 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:09.25 | Kalroth | That's called Adys-spacing |
| 14:09.41 | laurly | fixed it |
| 14:10.04 | laurly | na its in the template. i had the if's tabed in so i could read it forgot to remove them. |
| 14:12.02 | foxlit | Using lootbox for single items might be a bit much |
| 14:12.33 | laurly | its easer then adding another if to an already insane if in the template. |
| 14:12.51 | foxlit | Sorry, no compassion here |
| 14:13.13 | foxlit | Insane templates are a sign of bad design, should've fixed it before it became a problem :) |
| 14:13.16 | laurly | well if thats all you can find to complain about with the new bot then im happy :) |
| 14:13.34 | pcj | laurly your bot is nice |
| 14:16.03 | foxlit | psst, pcj |
| 14:16.11 | foxlit | newFieldBuffer += '<tr><td><label for="wwExtDB">Use an external database:</label></td><td><input name="wwExtDB" id="wwExtDB" type="text" onChange="extDBChange();" onKeyUp="extDBChange();" onBlur="extDBChange();"> <select name="wwExtDBMC" id="wwExtDBMC" onChange="document.getElementById(\'wwExtDB\').value=this.value;extDBChange();"><option value="http://www.wowwiki.com/">WoWWiki (default)</option><option value="http://wow.allakhazam. |
| 14:16.11 | pcj | what |
| 14:16.15 | foxlit | That. |
| 14:16.34 | pcj | what about it |
| 14:17.03 | foxlit | Are you purposefully trying to set the record for the longest line? |
| 14:17.19 | pcj | no |
| 14:17.21 | foxlit | genTooltipToggle was a step in the right direction; do the same for that field :P |
| 14:17.33 | pcj | meh |
| 14:18.19 | foxlit | actually, nevermind :P |
| 14:18.50 | foxlit | I might as well port the search URL selection and replace things with my version :) |
| 14:19.02 | laurly | http://www.wowhead.com/?object=183342 <--- do we really wana do that? |
| 14:19.22 | Adys | hell yeah |
| 14:21.25 | laurly | sllooooow wiki |
| 14:22.00 | *** join/#wowwiki elaa (n=ela@p54B4D7DC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:25.56 | pcj | there you are foxlit, hope you're happy |
| 14:26.32 | foxlit | Well, okay, that's one way to do it |
| 14:27.10 | foxlit | Though loops would be more elegant at this point :) |
| 14:27.57 | pcj | well i'd still have to create an array of external urls and friendly names |
| 14:28.02 | pcj | which would be more code |
| 14:28.21 | laurly | WOOTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Laurlybot:Quest_requests |
| 14:28.40 | pcj | grats laurly |
| 14:29.45 | Fisker- | roars |
| 14:31.57 | *** join/#wowwiki Chompers (n=Chompers@cpc1-cove9-0-0-cust541.brhm.cable.ntl.com) |
| 14:37.57 | laurly | for now im going to run the quests manualy so if you tag anything let me know |
| 14:38.45 | laurly | lol laurlybot has made 12978 edits |
| 14:39.02 | pcj | nice laurly |
| 14:41.16 | laurly | busy little thing |
| 14:42.49 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Imboreddude |
| 14:42.50 | pcj | ban plz |
| 14:42.56 | pcj | slaps Adys |
| 14:42.57 | pcj | slaps foxlit |
| 14:42.57 | pcj | slaps Gryphen |
| 14:42.57 | pcj | slaps kd3 |
| 14:43.13 | Adys | ok |
| 14:44.01 | Adys | done |
| 14:44.56 | pcj | ty |
| 14:44.58 | pcj | carry on |
| 14:46.38 | laurly | so now is the question. |
| 14:46.47 | laurly | do i go find something to do or start working on the npc module. |
| 14:47.34 | pcj | well how many npc pages are there |
| 14:47.41 | laurly | to many |
| 14:48.01 | laurly | 715 |
| 14:48.19 | pcj | mmm |
| 14:49.00 | laurly | it shouldnt be as bad with NPC since i can reuse the quest code |
| 14:49.04 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WDB |
| 14:49.07 | laurly | just need a new template |
| 14:49.28 | pcj | gosh that's exciting adys |
| 14:49.44 | Adys | if it doesnt interest you, dont click? |
| 14:50.15 | pcj | so...is http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_Mac_OS_X_Icons really necessary |
| 14:50.31 | Adys | wtf |
| 14:50.59 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v laurly] by ChanServ |
| 14:51.11 | laurly | ? |
| 14:51.33 | Adys | The MPQ icon is fucking awesome :( |
| 14:52.06 | Adys | and this list is incomplete |
| 14:52.10 | Adys | lacks bc and ptr icons |
| 14:56.28 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:New_Kodo_-_Green |
| 14:59.38 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:New_Kodo_-_Green |
| 15:02.10 | laurly | pcj can you change the doquests and donpc templates to require an id and using that id make somekinda thing like elinks. so while the quests arnt run at least its linked some place? |
| 15:02.30 | pcj | ok |
| 15:04.06 | Adys | laurly |
| 15:04.12 | Adys | strip() didnt do anything it seems |
| 15:04.13 | laurly | yup? |
| 15:04.19 | laurly | hm |
| 15:04.28 | Adys | fucking documentation |
| 15:04.29 | Adys | sod all |
| 15:04.31 | laurly | where are you riping the data from anyway? |
| 15:04.40 | Adys | straight from the wdbs |
| 15:04.52 | laurly | see now thats what i was just thinking about doing... |
| 15:04.58 | Adys | :D |
| 15:05.01 | Adys | team up! |
| 15:05.19 | laurly | but its in hex..... |
| 15:05.25 | Adys | its easy to parse |
| 15:05.30 | Adys | do you have python running? |
| 15:06.57 | laurly | yeah pythons on the server just not part of apachie |
| 15:07.20 | Adys | i havent put it up on a serv yet |
| 15:07.48 | laurly | i do everthing on the server thats what its there for. |
| 15:08.06 | Adys | meh I do it locally, its loads of data |
| 15:08.12 | Adys | got about 400mb to input |
| 15:08.17 | laurly | that and theres something messed up in the fire wall i cant connect to mysql on it from my pc have to ssh to it |
| 15:08.17 | Adys | and if i calculate it right |
| 15:08.24 | Adys | thats about 3.5gb to output |
| 15:08.54 | laurly | but why us python? |
| 15:09.06 | Adys | because its easier than php for wdb parsing |
| 15:09.19 | Adys | look at that |
| 15:09.23 | Adys | http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/PHP_WDB_Parsing_Class |
| 15:09.35 | Adys | my script is 55 lines and i indent like mad |
| 15:09.35 | laurly | perl? |
| 15:09.41 | Adys | perl sucks |
| 15:10.29 | Adys | besides, python's minidom ftw |
| 15:11.07 | laurly | thinks we are both crazy |
| 15:14.04 | Adys | http://ayaz.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/reescape-pythons-equivalent-of-phps-addslashes/ |
| 15:14.07 | Adys | laurly :p |
| 15:14.33 | laurly | please dont get me going on another project. |
| 15:14.38 | Adys | oh why :( |
| 15:14.47 | laurly | i have no life as it is. |
| 15:15.25 | laurly | been slacking on my officer dues for the last few weeks trying to get this bot going again. |
| 15:15.59 | laurly | oh and i managed to wipe the raid last night becouse i was on the other monitor dealing with wiki crap :) |
| 15:16.05 | Adys | lol |
| 15:16.43 | Adys | Parsing itemcache |
| 15:16.43 | Adys | I think we are done here. 22431 rows parsed. |
| 15:16.43 | Adys | Done! |
| 15:16.46 | Adys | <3 |
| 15:17.45 | laurly | still thinks it would be more fun to do it in php |
| 15:17.50 | Adys | noo |
| 15:17.53 | laurly | is it legal to be riping from those files? |
| 15:18.03 | Adys | Its what databases so |
| 15:18.04 | Adys | do |
| 15:18.32 | laurly | hmm what am i making for dinner? |
| 15:18.48 | Adys | oh ffs you gotta be kidding me |
| 15:18.57 | Adys | re.escape() DOES escape anything non alphanumeric |
| 15:19.07 | Adys | <name1Val>Robe\ of\ the\ Moccasin</name1Val> |
| 15:19.07 | Adys | <name2Val>Robe\ of\ the\ Moccasin</name2Val> |
| 15:19.33 | laurly | giggles |
| 15:20.50 | laurly | wonders if itemchase itemtextcache and itemnameache all link. |
| 15:21.46 | Adys | how so? |
| 15:21.55 | Adys | itemnamecache is uhhh |
| 15:22.04 | Adys | the names of the items on set item tooltips |
| 15:22.04 | laurly | hmm. |
| 15:22.15 | Adys | so that items are not cached when you have a single set item |
| 15:22.21 | laurly | rip them all out and dump them into mysql then we can do what ever we want from there. |
| 15:22.31 | Adys | no way |
| 15:22.37 | Adys | got xml data here |
| 15:23.07 | laurly | yeah but loading a huge xml file is nasty |
| 15:23.11 | pcj | ok laurly should be full supported with id parameter now |
| 15:24.52 | laurly | wowhead is a tad lagie |
| 15:25.45 | pcj | well you could always use wowdb |
| 15:26.11 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Acolyte_Porena hmm not quite |
| 15:26.51 | pcj | oh ofc |
| 15:28.12 | laurly | perfect. |
| 15:28.56 | laurly | i still need to figure out what im making for dinner. |
| 15:29.20 | pcj | lasagna |
| 15:44.43 | *** join/#wowwiki nfsnobody (n=nnscript@CPE-58-169-234-159.wa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 15:45.46 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/White |
| 15:45.51 | pcj | "There are currently no white mobs in World of Warcraft. You may find NPCs with white names though." |
| 15:45.54 | pcj | that's so racist |
| 15:47.46 | pcj | i need to find another ambox to put on http://www.wowwiki.com/Dark_Ranger_Marrah |
| 15:48.44 | laurly | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) LOL |
| 15:49.15 | Adys | nice laurly |
| 15:49.32 | laurly | guess parsing the file on the server isnt an option. |
| 15:51.27 | Adys | baaaaahhh |
| 15:51.34 | Adys | i suck at xml, how should i replace thi |
| 15:51.35 | Adys | this |
| 15:52.01 | Adys | <name1Val>Autographed Picture of Foror \& Tigule</name1Val> |
| 15:52.01 | Adys | ---------------------------------------------------------^ |
| 15:52.24 | pcj | replace what |
| 15:52.31 | Adys | the \& |
| 15:53.36 | pcj | & |
| 15:53.41 | Adys | thanks |
| 15:54.34 | Adys | boy firefox is taking three times more memory than wow |
| 15:54.47 | pcj | using v3 beta? |
| 15:54.51 | Adys | yes |
| 15:54.58 | Adys | but parsing a 95mb xml :p |
| 15:55.02 | pcj | gg |
| 15:56.18 | Adys | ok looks like everything works fine |
| 15:57.04 | Adys | XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </itemcache>. |
| 15:57.05 | Adys | gah |
| 15:57.17 | Adys | Line Number 3028188, Column 4: |
| 15:57.18 | Adys | :D |
| 15:58.05 | pcj | why not use a smaller xml for testing |
| 15:58.22 | Adys | i did :) most is fine |
| 15:58.34 | Adys | but some stuff happens very rarely, example <name1Val>Autographed Picture of Foror & Tigule</name1Val> |
| 15:59.03 | pcj | just put it all in CDATA blocks |
| 15:59.28 | Adys | Meh, not worth it |
| 16:00.06 | laurly | thinks this parser is possessed |
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| 16:01.52 | Adys | okay i think it works now |
| 16:06.19 | pcj | so are you changing the special characters manually or programmatically |
| 16:06.43 | Adys | automatically |
| 16:06.56 | pcj | cool |
| 16:07.08 | Adys | xcont = struct.unpack('%is' % strlen, data[byteio:strio])[0].replace("&", "&") |
| 16:07.08 | Adys | byteio = strio+1 |
| 16:07.33 | Adys | not sure which other chars i should change *shrugs* |
| 16:07.39 | Adys | quotes are fine there |
| 16:07.57 | pcj | i'm sure blizzard will come up with something |
| 16:08.13 | Adys | lmao |
| 16:16.40 | laurly | is enjoying vent chat. think MT and GM are going to kill them. |
| 16:26.51 | foxlit | Adys: pure:gsub(quotable, quoted); |
| 16:27.27 | foxlit | Then again, not your language :P |
| 16:27.37 | Adys | ahum |
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| 17:10.51 | Dotted | is away (kd3 - whee squid just went splat) |
| 17:18.49 | *** join/#wowwiki Jack_Phoenix (n=Ashley@wikia/Jack-Phoenix) |
| 17:43.23 | Keolah | I'm such a bad person. I screamed spoilers at my friend about a movie he was currently watching. |
| 17:43.29 | Keolah | In my defense, he was watching "Titanic"... |
| 17:44.16 | pcj | wow not like it isn't obvious what happens |
| 17:44.27 | Keolah | hehe |
| 17:44.28 | pcj | hey i think they're gonna make it, the ship can take the iceberg |
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| 17:47.28 | foxlit | wonders what Adys is up to |
| 17:51.30 | laurly | gz is pratt a bot? |
| 17:52.01 | laurly | thinks foxlit doesnt want to know what adys is up to. |
| 17:52.18 | foxlit | thinks those are not the druids laurly is looking for. |
| 17:52.36 | Adys | lol |
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| 18:04.22 | Fisker- | Dotted |
| 18:04.23 | Fisker- | hej |
| 18:04.23 | Dotted | Fisker- |
| 18:05.02 | foxlit | Adys: have a parsed version of spells.dbc? |
| 18:05.13 | Adys | Not parsing dbcs yet, but thats an idea |
| 18:05.41 | foxlit | That's not a lot of help :P |
| 18:06.06 | Adys | As in: I was wondering what to do now, thats a good idea |
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| 18:07.31 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v DuTempete] by ChanServ |
| 18:09.59 | *** join/#wowwiki DuTempete_ (n=Du@c-67-165-143-202.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 18:09.59 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v DuTempete_] by ChanServ |
| 18:12.39 | DuTempete | Dotted, Adys, Hobinheim, foxlit: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Fandyllic#Reasons_Fandyllic_should_perma-join_IRC |
| 18:13.08 | DuTempete | and maybe Gryphen too, but I heard he thinks we smell. |
| 18:13.18 | Adys | Shit, we wont be able to make fun of him from here then? |
| 18:13.25 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 18:13.31 | DuTempete | add a reason :P |
| 18:14.12 | foxlit | # "Kickban DuTempete for own amusement" |
| 18:14.21 | DuTempete | sighs. |
| 18:14.34 | Adys | added, you asked for it |
| 18:15.10 | DuTempete | ... |
| 18:15.28 | DuTempete | and I thought Adys is the one we kickban for amusement? |
| 18:15.37 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+b *!*@*.hsd1.il.comcast.net] by Adys |
| 18:15.37 | *** kick/#wowwiki [DuTempete!n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] by Adys (Adys) |
| 18:15.43 | *** mode/#wowwiki [-b *!*@*.hsd1.il.comcast.net] by Adys |
| 18:15.46 | *** join/#wowwiki DuTempete (n=Du@c-67-165-143-202.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 18:15.46 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v DuTempete] by ChanServ |
| 18:15.56 | Adys | Im the one with the op |
| 18:16.02 | Adys | Since you cba to have it! |
| 18:16.17 | DuTempete | only because Kirk told you you couldn't make me op |
| 18:16.39 | Adys | Blame him *cringes* |
| 18:17.44 | DuTempete | shrug, I'm neutral on all but appearing the nepotist. |
| 18:18.07 | DuTempete | You wanna nominate me for admin, you go right ahead :P |
| 18:18.14 | Adys | sure |
| 18:18.14 | Fisker- | You could have an affair with a one not opped |
| 18:18.17 | Adys | whats kirk's password? |
| 18:18.21 | Fisker- | and dump kirbburn |
| 18:18.25 | Fisker- | kirkburn* |
| 18:18.31 | Fisker- | greatest idea evar |
| 18:18.34 | DuTempete | But I'm not going to approve of ops until I'm an admin :P |
| 18:18.44 | Adys | FINE THEN |
| 18:18.46 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o laurly] by Adys |
| 18:18.54 | DuTempete | lol I owuldn't tell, even if I knew it :P |
| 18:19.18 | foxlit | it's "peanuts" |
| 18:19.32 | DuTempete | and no, Fisker-, I'm not dumping Kirkburn any time soon :P |
| 18:19.52 | pcj | well i mean all it'd take is some clever xss from someone who had access to site js to get kirkburn's password |
| 18:20.29 | DuTempete | sighs. |
| 18:20.56 | Adys | So to the question "What would you do if you'd get someone else's password first?" |
| 18:21.01 | Adys | I answer: "Change it" |
| 18:21.18 | DuTempete | All your lack of seriousness about this clearly shows a lack of sincerety in wanting me to be admin, so just give it up :P |
| 18:21.27 | laurly | eah??? |
| 18:21.30 | Adys | OH NO BUT I DO |
| 18:21.44 | Adys | where's captain serious when i need him |
| 18:21.53 | pcj | i want laurly to be an admin i think it would be comical |
| 18:21.55 | DuTempete | Out with Captain Obvious. |
| 18:21.58 | foxlit | pcj: there's nothing particularly clever about that amount of xss |
| 18:22.11 | DuTempete | omg, Laurly would get in a bad mood and make everyone cry... |
| 18:22.17 | DuTempete | I wanna see that... |
| 18:23.10 | Adys | laurly would do a bad move with her bot |
| 18:23.23 | Adys | "oops i deleted all the pages in the category world of warcraft" |
| 18:23.24 | laurly | ? |
| 18:23.42 | laurly | hey now i havent /rf -rf / on my server yet |
| 18:23.45 | DuTempete | lol |
| 18:23.47 | Adys | not yet |
| 18:23.50 | laurly | although i did do format c: when i was in collage |
| 18:23.56 | DuTempete | hehehe |
| 18:24.00 | laurly | teacher was quiet thrilled with that |
| 18:25.05 | DuTempete | I bet... I would've found it thoroughly amusing. |
| 18:25.51 | Fisker- | rf? |
| 18:26.04 | laurly | recrsive force :) |
| 18:26.10 | Fisker- | yeah but twice? |
| 18:26.12 | laurly | just do it becouse i told you to damit |
| 18:26.17 | Fisker- | :D |
| 18:26.19 | laurly | rm sorry :) |
| 18:26.50 | laurly | Adys does this mean i have to learn how to deal with templates insted of getting pcj to do it for me? |
| 18:26.57 | DuTempete | lol |
| 18:26.57 | Adys | yea |
| 18:27.00 | Fisker- | i remember some stupid teacher of mine who were a total SUN zealot |
| 18:27.08 | laurly | crap |
| 18:27.13 | DuTempete | bah, I'll do them for you, just ask :P |
| 18:27.15 | pcj | i'll still do them for you laurly, just don't tell adys |
| 18:27.18 | Fisker- | and he had these jokes up with sexual references to a standard linux shell |
| 18:27.20 | Adys | ono |
| 18:27.31 | Fisker- | so one day i replaced them all with a ssh login to sun.com and rm -rf / |
| 18:28.11 | Fisker- | he was liek "IMMA CHARGIN MY LASER" |
| 18:28.33 | Fisker- | also said he would expel the student who did it |
| 18:31.21 | Fisker- | Fisker- 1-0 #wowwiki |
| 18:33.23 | foxlit | ~slashdot |
| 18:33.35 | foxlit | "Oh noes, our install base!" |
| 18:40.18 | laurly | hmm i have a biger stick now. |
| 18:40.27 | laurly | pokes Fisker- with a big stick |
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| 18:41.12 | laurly | ping foxlit |
| 18:41.22 | Dotted | mmmmmmh stick |
| 18:41.23 | foxlit | yawns |
| 18:41.52 | laurly | didnt you have somekinda conversation thingie for armory items. showing the types and subtype numbers what they where? |
| 18:42.01 | laurly | figuering this out manauly is booring |
| 18:42.30 | foxlit | Find their XSLT |
| 18:46.38 | Hobinheim | wait what's with pcj's comment, zeal is gone AGAIN? |
| 18:46.47 | pcj | uhh yes |
| 18:47.11 | Hobinheim | yawn |
| 18:47.21 | DuTempete | lol |
| 18:47.25 | DuTempete | for a while now, Hobinheim |
| 18:47.41 | DuTempete | we disagreed with him, so he ran off |
| 18:47.53 | DuTempete | there might ahve been an insult or two exchanged... |
| 18:47.59 | DuTempete | maybe... |
| 18:48.04 | Hobinheim | oh perma join.. i thought it said perma ban... |
| 18:48.11 | DuTempete | lol |
| 18:48.11 | Hobinheim | w/e that kid needs to grow up anyway |
| 18:48.26 | Hobinheim | oh well carry on |
| 18:48.29 | Hobinheim | vanishes into the darkness. |
| 18:48.31 | DuTempete | that hed oes |
| 18:48.33 | Hobinheim | bumps into a tree. |
| 18:48.36 | Dotted | maybe? |
| 18:48.40 | DuTempete | hugs Hobinheim |
| 18:48.46 | Dotted | i loled so hard a small poo come out |
| 18:48.55 | Hobinheim | tmi you know |
| 18:48.55 | DuTempete | hahaha |
| 18:49.08 | Dotted | :P |
| 18:49.19 | DuTempete | loled at the maybe or thei nsult? :P |
| 18:49.45 | Dotted | obvious maybe is obvious |
| 18:49.50 | Dotted | i guess |
| 18:49.51 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 18:49.55 | DuTempete | possibly? |
| 18:50.03 | Dotted | most likely |
| 18:50.06 | DuTempete | could be |
| 18:50.19 | Dotted | now if newsbot was here i would 8ball spam |
| 18:50.23 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 18:50.33 | DuTempete | whose fault is it he isn't eh? |
| 18:50.37 | Adys | now if only you'd fix newsbot |
| 18:50.58 | Dotted | NOW IF ONLY I WAS RICH AND COULD AFFORD A NEW MOBO! |
| 18:51.13 | Adys | ur not rich? |
| 18:51.13 | Adys | n00b |
| 18:51.17 | DuTempete | lame. |
| 18:51.21 | Dotted | im a student |
| 18:51.25 | DuTempete | lamer. |
| 18:51.37 | Dotted | although i get payed for the study :P |
| 18:51.39 | Adys | hes danish |
| 18:51.44 | Dotted | so is fine |
| 18:51.48 | DuTempete | lol |
| 18:52.08 | foxlit | "Simon Game, begin game, solo" |
| 18:52.19 | Dotted | more than you btw foxlit |
| 18:52.43 | foxlit | That's so deliriously out of context :P |
| 18:52.55 | Dotted | :P |
| 18:53.16 | Dotted | more than you btw Fisker- |
| 18:53.26 | Dotted | now im covered |
| 18:53.42 | foxlit | How is editing the 14 articles going? :) |
| 19:00.26 | foxlit | "Increased Lifebloom Periodic" qq |
| 19:00.32 | foxlit | such a nightmare, those |
| 19:28.12 | foxlit | > SELECT id, name, bonusSpellDamage FROM itemcache2 ORDER BY bonusSpellDamage DESC LIMIT 1; |
| 19:28.13 | foxlit | 30910|Tempest of Chaos|259 |
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| 20:31.28 | laurly | wonders why shes doing heroics |
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| 21:11.04 | Fisker- | http://www.wowwiki.com/Tharfor <-can anyone confirm that? |
| 21:27.27 | Dotted | not at all |
| 21:27.54 | Dotted | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html;jsessionid=602015E9B238A0FC8747857A8540D591.app09_04?topicId=3349705224&postId=33490938682&sid=1#0 |
| 21:28.15 | Dotted | you could have clicked the most recent posts link you big nub nab |
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| 21:36.31 | laurly | lol |
| 21:37.30 | foxlit | !finditem mp5 > 20 |
| 21:37.30 | Foxbot | foxlit: Apostle of Argus. |
| 21:38.00 | foxlit | !finditem spell damage > 200 && spell crit > 20 |
| 21:38.01 | Foxbot | foxlit: Tempest of Chaos, Zhar'doom, Greatstaff of the Devourer, Vengeful Gladiator's War Staff, Vengeful Gladiator's Battle Staff, The Nexus Key. |
| 21:40.05 | laurly | did we ever get a version of zone map with location on it working? |
| 21:41.10 | pcj | yes laurly |
| 21:41.21 | laurly | name? |
| 21:42.15 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Zone_Map |
| 21:43.09 | laurly | oh very nice |
| 21:43.11 | pcj | if not Template:Coords will generate a popup location |
| 21:44.10 | *** part/#wowwiki theurge14 (n=theurge1@64-126-115-215.dyn.everestkc.net) |
| 21:44.45 | laurly | put it on the npc pages? |
| 21:44.54 | pcj | put what |
| 21:45.08 | laurly | the map with the loc's of where the mob is? |
| 21:45.19 | laurly | does it do anything if there is a lot of them or shall we limit it to a few? |
| 21:46.01 | pcj | Hmm, Template:Coords only works with one location, I believe Zone Map will work with as many Zone Map Notes as you want |
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| 21:47.08 | laurly | book marked it test it tomrrow |
| 21:48.16 | laurly | if i was to put say markers in the page something like <!--Bot loot start Bot loot end--> the bot could use those for replacing the loot later. |
| 21:48.46 | laurly | assume we still want to do away with all the transcluded npc pages. |
| 21:49.20 | pcj | yeah |
| 21:50.38 | foxlit | !finditem [order:buy d] 1 = 1 |
| 21:50.39 | Foxbot | foxlit: Band of Icy Depths, Earthwarden, Trident of the Outcast Tribe, Blade of Wizardry, Stormcaller. |
| 21:50.57 | laurly | foxbot got a database? |
| 21:51.14 | foxlit | Foxbot travels to the past to serve you results faster :P |
| 21:51.48 | pcj | !finditem dps > 9000 |
| 21:51.49 | Foxbot | pcj: Attempting to use an unknown property [LHS]: dps |
| 21:52.08 | laurly | !foxbot help |
| 21:52.19 | laurly | not very helpful |
| 21:52.37 | foxlit | Did you read any of the manuals that came with your pc? :) |
| 21:52.52 | foxlit | !finditem spell damage > 200 || mp5 > 20 || spell crit > 50 |
| 21:52.52 | Foxbot | foxlit: Apostle of Argus, Tempest of Chaos, Zhar'doom, Greatstaff of the Devourer, Vengeful Gladiator's Gavel, Vengeful Gladiator's Spellblade. |
| 21:56.37 | pcj | !finditem holy resistance > 0 |
| 21:56.37 | Foxbot | pcj: Attempting to use an unknown property [LHS]: holy resistance |
| 21:57.01 | pcj | !finditem green |
| 21:57.01 | Foxbot | pcj: Unexpected characters present at half-way resolution. |
| 21:57.06 | laurly | night guys. |
| 21:57.12 | pcj | night laurly :) |
| 21:57.55 | pcj | !finditem red socket |
| 21:57.55 | Foxbot | pcj: Unexpected characters present at half-way resolution. |
| 21:58.30 | pcj | !finditem spirit > 0 || agi < 1 || defense rating > 5 |
| 21:58.31 | Foxbot | pcj: Attempting to use an unknown property [LHS]: agi |
| 21:58.38 | pcj | !finditem spirit > 0 || agility < 1 || defense rating > 5 |
| 21:58.38 | Foxbot | pcj: Band of the Eternal Defender, Scepter of Purification, Bulwark of Azzinoth, Faceplate of the Impenetrable, Onslaught Handguards. |
| 21:59.11 | pcj | !finditem mana per 5 seconds > 20 |
| 21:59.11 | Foxbot | pcj: Attempting to use an unknown property [LHS]: mana per 5 seconds |
| 21:59.15 | pcj | lame |
| 21:59.23 | foxlit | mp5 |
| 21:59.30 | foxlit | !finditem dps > 66.6 |
| 21:59.30 | Foxbot | foxlit: Unexpected characters present at half-way resolution. |
| 21:59.37 | foxlit | !finditem dps > 66 |
| 21:59.37 | Foxbot | foxlit: Warglaive of Azzinoth, Warglaive of Azzinoth, Cataclysm's Edge, Bristleblitz Striker, Apostle of Argus. |
| 21:59.54 | pcj | !finditem dps < abs(35) |
| 21:59.54 | Foxbot | pcj: Attempting to use an unknown property [RHS]: abs |
| 22:00.08 | foxlit | You are not talking to SQL |
| 22:00.12 | pcj | !finditem armor > 00020 |
| 22:00.12 | Foxbot | pcj: Attempting to use an unknown property [LHS]: armor |
| 22:00.25 | pcj | !finditem damage != 16 |
| 22:00.25 | Foxbot | pcj: Unexpected characters present at half-way resolution. |
| 22:00.31 | foxlit | So functions are generally lacking |
| 22:00.58 | pcj | !finditem holy damage > 9 |
| 22:00.58 | Foxbot | pcj: I don't think there is anything like that. |
| 22:01.58 | pcj | !finditem arcane resist > 000 |
| 22:01.58 | Foxbot | pcj: Attempting to use an unknown property [LHS]: arcane resist |
| 22:02.05 | pcj | !finditem arcane resistance > 000 |
| 22:02.05 | Foxbot | pcj: Attempting to use an unknown property [LHS]: arcane resistance |
| 22:02.29 | pcj | !finditem parry rating < 063 |
| 22:02.29 | Foxbot | pcj: Attempting to use an unknown property [LHS]: parry rating |
| 22:02.34 | pcj | lame |
| 22:05.59 | foxlit | !finditem holy damage > 9 |
| 22:05.59 | Foxbot | foxlit: Band of the Eternal Sage, Antonidas's Aegis of Rapt Concentration, Tempest of Chaos, Robes of Rhonin, Zhar'doom, Greatstaff of the Devourer. |
| 22:06.06 | foxlit | !finditem holy damage > 9 && spell damage = 0 |
| 22:06.07 | Foxbot | foxlit: Drape of the Righteous, Lightforged Blade. |
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| 22:19.09 | foxlit | !finditem [order:dps d] spell damage > 200 |
| 22:19.09 | Foxbot | foxlit: [Zhar'doom, Greatstaff of the Devourer], [Vengeful Gladiator's War Staff], [Vengeful Gladiator's Battle Staff], [The Nexus Key], [Merciless Gladiator's War Staff]. |
| 22:19.41 | foxlit | Hrm, all those pretty swirly colors don't work in channels :( |
| 22:20.48 | Adys | foxlit, ping |
| 22:22.59 | foxlit | pong |
| 22:23.31 | Adys | foxlit, any idea if the recent wdbs (ptr) changed their endsig for strings! |
| 22:23.35 | Adys | ?* |
| 22:23.50 | foxlit | none at all |
| 22:23.56 | foxlit | is not on PTR :( |
| 22:24.05 | Fisker- | datamining! |
| 22:24.42 | Adys | Either the recent wdbs dont use name2 name3 name4 anymore and the strings are ended with 4 \x00 |
| 22:24.48 | Adys | or the columns are empty |
| 22:28.29 | Adys | ok, the columns are empty |
| 22:28.30 | Adys | lame |
| 22:53.46 | winkiller | hello Adys |
| 22:53.51 | Adys | yo |
| 22:54.43 | Adys | yes winkiller ? |
| 22:54.56 | winkiller | just hello :P |
| 22:55.21 | Adys | hi :P |
| 23:13.49 | Keolah | High/blood elves really need a better naming scheme. I'm starting to be unable to tell their people, places, and things apart... they all have "Sun" and "Dawn" in their names. :P |
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| 23:28.48 | Adys | not much different with night elves |
| 23:29.00 | Adys | All with "Night" and "Moon" in their name |
| 23:29.37 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:31.15 | Amarande | hmm, I hope Wrath of the Lich King is more soloey. |
| 23:34.08 | Amarande | or at least, more friendly towards small guilds |
| 23:34.34 | Keolah | I'd be happy with more stuff aimed toward groups of 2-3 people. |
| 23:34.46 | Amarande | Keolah: definitely :) |
| 23:34.53 | Amarande | maybe even smaller-group dungeons |
| 23:34.55 | pcj | soloey wouldn't make much sense since it's an MMO |
| 23:35.01 | Amarande | though I doubt they'll ever go below 5-man for that |
| 23:35.22 | Amarande | pcj: problem with BC right now though is it's difficult on many servers to do the group content without a large guild |
| 23:35.32 | foxlit | large guilds do group content? |
| 23:35.37 | foxlit | Lunacy! |
| 23:36.54 | Keolah | I would _love_ to see a dungeon tuned for 3 people instead of 5. |
| 23:37.12 | Adys | Onyxia's lair |
| 23:37.12 | foxlit | Keolah: tank + dps + healer? |
| 23:37.14 | Adys | oh, wait |
| 23:37.33 | Adys | MMOs have a lot to learn |
| 23:37.38 | foxlit | Either (a) too easy or (b) locks out specs/classes |
| 23:37.42 | Adys | just like the internet had a lot to learn in 1995 :P |
| 23:37.47 | Keolah | (Besides just "be a few levels high for it", which isn't very feasable for the higher level ones ;p) |
| 23:37.58 | Adys | Like they have to learn that whole instant class switching thing |
| 23:38.12 | Adys | that its good, it keeps people alive, awake, and enjoying the game |
| 23:38.17 | foxlit | Meh, Adys. |
| 23:38.22 | Adys | Meh what :) |
| 23:38.25 | foxlit | It ruins any sense of character attachment |
| 23:38.38 | Adys | That's because it's still early |
| 23:39.26 | Adys | A lot of game industries have to realise when they make a mmo, they need to push the style up something that is totally new, while not totally repulsing the user by giving something they cant understand at all |
| 23:39.35 | Adys | It's called evolution :p |
| 23:39.50 | Adys | But either way, stagnating is no good |
| 23:40.14 | foxlit | Err... :) |
| 23:40.17 | Adys | I have a char, its a certain class, maybe even a certain race, has hp, has mana, has experience, levels up... |
| 23:40.25 | foxlit | Take sharks. |
| 23:40.33 | foxlit | Sharks have been around for ages. |
| 23:40.34 | Adys | I dont want sharks |
| 23:40.57 | Adys | Go compare apples and oranges elsewhere? :P |
| 23:41.07 | Adys | We're not talking about pleasing mother nature |
| 23:41.09 | foxlit | np, apples < oranges |
| 23:41.19 | Adys | disagreed, but thats offtopic |
| 23:41.27 | foxlit | There's a point |
| 23:41.45 | foxlit | Mutations to undesirable directions don't survive |
| 23:41.48 | Adys | I see it, but it's not really valid comparing something that evolves in millions of years |
| 23:41.59 | Adys | with something that will be utterly different in a human lifetime |
| 23:42.06 | foxlit | Likewise, there's no reason to evolve a design that's so desirable that there's only undersirable mutations |
| 23:42.25 | Adys | sure |
| 23:42.33 | Adys | theres people still playing UO after all. |
| 23:42.38 | foxlit | So, in some cases, stagnation is good :) |
| 23:42.39 | Adys | do they make money? |
| 23:42.53 | foxlit | Not a clue. |
| 23:42.54 | Keolah | hey, |
| 23:42.56 | Keolah | I liked UO :P |
| 23:43.01 | Adys | Right, ok, look at it this way |
| 23:43.09 | Keolah | like... several years ago :p |
| 23:43.37 | Adys | Sharks get bruteforced into dominance (really shortening it here but you see the point) |
| 23:43.50 | Adys | WoW is dominant in the market right now |
| 23:44.11 | Adys | if another MMO comes out, how do they make their way up the top? |
| 23:44.49 | Keolah | by sucking the right people's dicks. |
| 23:44.49 | Keolah | Oh, wait, that's politics, nm. |
| 23:44.49 | Adys | If the user sees "Its the same game, with night elves called dark elves and paladins called knights" |
| 23:45.08 | Adys | Theres no reason the user would buy it, given the odd company's fan, etc |
| 23:45.12 | Keolah | depends |
| 23:45.23 | Keolah | I'd play a scifi version of WoW that was essentially the same game :p |
| 23:45.36 | Adys | No you wouldnt |
| 23:45.41 | Keolah | Yes I would :P |
| 23:45.47 | Keolah | Don't tell me what I would or wouldn't do :P |
| 23:45.51 | Adys | Ok, I'm a game company |
| 23:46.01 | Adys | and I tell you you wouldnt bring me any worthwhile money |
| 23:46.13 | Keolah | Nope, I won't, I'm broke :p |
| 23:46.14 | Adys | Because if I make such a game, you'd eventually buy it |
| 23:46.22 | Keolah | O:) |
| 23:46.41 | Adys | but you'd never stay. You have to leave WoW for that, meaning, Im more interesting |
| 23:46.57 | Keolah | WoW meets HL2... "Go kill 20 headcrabs!" ;p |
| 23:47.12 | Adys | Why am I more interesting? You have friends in my game? Almost no chance, wow has too much market |
| 23:47.14 | Adys | and Im new |
| 23:47.23 | Keolah | Why do I have to leave anything for anything? |
| 23:47.34 | Adys | because as you just said you're broke |
| 23:47.43 | Adys | you're not gonna pay two monthly subscriptions for the same game |
| 23:47.45 | Keolah | Yeah, that's why bf's are for. |
| 23:48.06 | Adys | dont trust me, not my problem :) |
| 23:48.34 | Keolah | Like when I heard there was a WH40k MMO coming out, I was excited at first... until I found out it was all the stuff I like _least_ of mmos. |
| 23:48.51 | Adys | See |
| 23:49.00 | Adys | you are interested by the content, over the wrapper |
| 23:49.07 | Keolah | I'm interested by setting. :p |
| 23:49.17 | Keolah | I'm not interested in pvp. |
| 23:49.26 | Adys | thats content |
| 23:49.51 | Keolah | WoW would make me happy if it didn't have pvp. ;p |
| 23:50.05 | Adys | You're done proving my point? :P |
| 23:50.09 | Keolah | And if twits couldn't come in and raid tarren mill for the tenth time in a day. |
| 23:50.15 | foxlit | Adys: just as soon as you state it :) |
| 23:50.30 | Adys | I stated it a while ago |
| 23:50.37 | foxlit | repeat, plx |
| 23:50.38 | Adys | [00:44:44] <@Adys> If the user sees "Its the same game, with night elves called dark elves and paladins called knights" |
| 23:50.38 | Adys | [00:45:09] <@Adys> Theres no reason the user would buy it, given the odd company's fan, etc |
| 23:50.50 | Adys | [00:45:25] <Keolah> I'd play a scifi version of WoW that was essentially the same game :p |
| 23:50.50 | Adys | [00:45:37] <@Adys> No you wouldnt |
| 23:51.03 | Adys | You are interested by the content, more than the wrapper |
| 23:51.16 | foxlit | What's the content, and what's the wrapper in this context? |
| 23:51.22 | foxlit | [and what's the meta point?] |
| 23:51.41 | Adys | The content is the core of the game, how it works, is it fun, is it addictive etc |
| 23:51.57 | Adys | the wrapper is the lore, the background, the races etc |
| 23:52.36 | foxlit | A game is more than its mechanics :) |
| 23:52.38 | Adys | So I need more than just a pretty advert on tv to get subscribers that will get me any sort of money |
| 23:52.51 | foxlit | Name a good game, and you'll usually find an engaging story behind it |
| 23:52.52 | Adys | sure, a game is more than its mechanics |
| 23:53.02 | Adys | But it needs both, not just a good wrapper |
| 23:53.15 | Adys | a good wrapper gets buyers, a good game gets subscribers and fans |
| 23:53.22 | foxlit | current mechanics + better story > current mechanics + current story |
| 23:53.44 | foxlit | And, heck, I'd subscribe to a game that essentially does nothing but tells you a story |
| 23:53.54 | Adys | you would, maybe |
| 23:54.00 | Adys | I probably wouldnt, and a lot more wouldnt |
| 23:54.13 | Adys | once you enter the market, you are almost guaranteed to get buyers |
| 23:54.25 | Adys | but you need to get over your costs at first |
| 23:54.39 | Keolah | WoW is not a perfect game by any sense of the word. ;p |
| 23:54.48 | foxlit | Bioshock, for example |
| 23:54.53 | Adys | you think? it has the community |
| 23:55.02 | Adys | thats a HUGE headstart |
| 23:55.05 | foxlit | It's a pretty second-rate fps by its mechanics |
| 23:55.13 | Amarande | yeah, I'm a pretty good story weaver, but the business aspects are hardly my forte |
| 23:55.19 | Amarande | if anything, I tend to spit in the face of the business world |
| 23:55.19 | foxlit | What actually makes it worth paying is the stuff you classify as a wrapper :( |
| 23:55.21 | Keolah | WoW has absolutely _crap retarded_ game mechanics in a lot of ways. |
| 23:55.25 | Amarande | especially after what happened with Xenosaga :( |
| 23:55.53 | Adys | you guys talk about those games like if they were actually leaders |
| 23:56.26 | Keolah | I've been playing HL2 a bit lately, and been impressed at the game mechanics. Yeah, so WoW isn't an FPS... it also has completely retarded mechanics like the fact that characters can stand on top of one another :p |
| 23:56.28 | Adys | Im devoting two years to develop mine, I wouldnt want it to fail horribly at first, costs or not |
| 23:56.45 | Adys | Keolah, get over hallucinations please |
| 23:56.58 | Keolah | So you're saying that being able to stand inside of a mob is a sensible game mechanic? :p |
| 23:57.14 | Adys | WoW does have a lot of retarded mechanics, but char collision is not the problem |
| 23:57.15 | foxlit | Keolah: yes |
| 23:57.22 | foxlit | It's a sensible game mechanic for MMOs |
| 23:57.24 | Keolah | I didn't say it was a problem. i said it was retarded. :p |
| 23:57.30 | Adys | oookay |
| 23:57.32 | foxlit | You really DO NOT want people blocking doorways :) |
| 23:57.50 | Keolah | That's a problem with city/server overcrowding. ;p |
| 23:57.56 | Adys | lol |
| 23:58.00 | Adys | keolah, imagine this |
| 23:58.02 | foxlit | It'd detract from general enjoyment if a bunch of idiots decided to play physics boxman with people |
| 23:58.05 | Adys | you are a game company |
| 23:58.17 | Amarande | Yeah, and escort quests |
| 23:58.18 | Adys | "Hey guys, lets do it like that, its not like we are gonna get a lot of subscribers anyway" |
| 23:58.24 | Amarande | I still remember GW having problems with some escort quests |
| 23:58.34 | Amarande | because the NPCs involved were set to 'can't pass through' |
| 23:58.43 | Amarande | and players would be constantly getting stuck |
| 23:59.03 | Adys | Boy, blizzard knows damn well character collision sucks :) |
| 23:59.05 | foxlit | (ironically, players generally avoid colliding with other players - cheap tactics at their finest!) |
| 23:59.17 | Adys | they had it all the way in warcraft and diablo |
| 23:59.18 | Keolah | and WoW has problems with some escort quests, because the stupid NPC doesn't understand "wait a minute for me to kill this guy, noooo don't walk off and aggro 5 more guys!" |
| 23:59.30 | Amarande | in particular, there was this one where you had to escort a bunch of kids in GW |
| 23:59.40 | Amarande | and the kids would always crowd around you, and you'd get stuck and have to map out |
| 23:59.44 | Adys | i dont wanna sound rude keolah |
| 23:59.59 | Amarande | Adys: Keolah is right |
