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| 03:36.29 | Russell__ | hey |
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| 04:23.07 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/User_names |
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| 05:09.38 | pcj | crucially: will there be an auto-detect to see if the user is using a mobile browser or will i have to get another account to use wowwiki in that skin |
| 05:10.26 | crucially | pcj: yes |
| 05:10.31 | crucially | it will autodetect |
| 05:10.50 | pcj | super, i've switched it over to a dark skin on wowwiki |
| 05:11.25 | pcj | http://wowwiki.com/Portal:Mobile?useskin=wikiaphone |
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| 05:13.18 | crucially | cool |
| 05:13.28 | crucially | maybe have a different link color |
| 05:13.33 | crucially | the blue on black is a bit annoying to read |
| 05:14.03 | pcj | yeah still needs thought |
| 05:15.32 | charitwo | hey crucially, the new skin works on my new BB, but the sprites are out of control |
| 05:15.59 | crucially | charitwo: that is sad |
| 05:16.05 | crucially | charitwo: but that happened in the old skin too |
| 05:16.10 | crucially | i didn't think the new skin used sprites |
| 05:16.58 | pcj | it doesn't, charitwo is insane |
| 05:18.35 | charitwo | yes it does, and i tried on a couple different languages too |
| 05:19.10 | pcj | on wowwiki? |
| 05:19.41 | charitwo | no, i used starwars |
| 05:19.47 | pcj | oh, no one cares then |
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| 20:18.37 | winks | anyone of you read about the current mayhem with the german wikipedia? |
| 20:18.49 | winks | or is that really just a local thing? |
| 20:19.33 | Ose | huh? |
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| 20:20.25 | Kaso | winks, I had not heard, whats going on? |
| 20:20.48 | winks | to sum it up: Ever since 2003 the German wikipedia is led by deletionists more than inclusionists |
| 20:21.06 | winks | like in en.wp you always have /Homer_Simpson as an article |
| 20:21.27 | winks | in de that is always a redirect to /Simpsons#Characters_Homer or something |
| 20:21.48 | winks | and everything deemed not up to the standards of webster's or somthing is deleted |
| 20:22.01 | winks | and recently (it was no new thing) this has been exaggerated |
| 20:22.20 | winks | and for example an article about a famous German blog was deleted |
| 20:22.51 | winks | because the guy spoke abiut some other legal entity (related to and opposing our web censorship debate lately) |
| 20:23.03 | winks | and THAT was deleted, because it wasn't "relevant enough" |
| 20:23.12 | winks | and so it went on and on and on |
| 20:23.36 | winks | then there was even a "staged" panel discussion with wikimedia germany and some bloggers and journalists |
| 20:24.02 | Kaso | staged how |
| 20:24.06 | winks | and the CCC (CHaos Computer Club if you've heard of it) is also a bit involved. or better, some well-known- members |
| 20:24.27 | winks | they only invited moderate people and not the guys with other opinions |
| 20:24.32 | winks | even forbid one journalist to enter |
| 20:25.02 | winks | and now recently there have been Requests for Deletion for half of all the articles about the CCC |
| 20:25.08 | winks | all "not relevant" |
| 20:25.32 | Kaso | wow |
| 20:25.43 | Kaso | thats pretty blatant, |
| 20:25.59 | winks | so if you wanna agitate, you could say as revenge all articles which relate to memes, internet and hacker culture and stuff is erequested for deletion |
| 20:26.01 | Kaso | i know the CCC and they are definitely relevant |
| 20:26.06 | winks | well not the CCC itself |
| 20:26.10 | winks | but the local groups |
| 20:26.13 | winks | or events they had |
| 20:26.25 | winks | which were maybe not so big, indeed |
| 20:26.30 | Kaso | like articles for congress and camps etc? |
| 20:26.30 | winks | but bigger than some wikimedia events |
| 20:26.34 | winks | yeah |
| 20:26.35 | winks | sec |
| 20:27.00 | winks | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:L%C3%B6schkandidaten/11._November_2009#Phone_Operation_Center |
| 20:27.42 | winks | Phone Operation Center, Easterhegg, Chaosnahe Gruppe Wien, Haecksen, Wau Holland Foundation, Tim Pritlove, |
| 20:27.45 | winks | all by the same guy |
| 20:27.53 | winks | who was also leadin in deleting all the other stuff |
| 20:28.07 | winks | I have to say I'm highly biased against wikipedia here myself |
| 20:28.16 | winks | just that no one can say I didn't warn you |
| 20:28.19 | winks | :) |
| 20:28.24 | winks | but it's a bit sad |
| 20:29.09 | Kaso | I dont even understand why wikipedia deletes stuff, i mean ok sure it is spam or not encyclopaedic but not notable? who cares hard drive space is cheap, surely its better to have too much than too little |
| 20:29.44 | winks | well, they don't |
| 20:29.47 | winks | absolutely not |
| 20:30.05 | winks | where I do agree is that every damn character from WoW or the Hitchhiker should not have its own page |
| 20:30.13 | winks | but not DELETE fucking organizations |
| 20:30.33 | Ose | there's a fine line yes :P |
| 20:30.43 | winks | and the worst part is |
| 20:30.53 | winks | all the deletion requests are only like this: |
| 20:30.55 | winks | rubbish |
| 20:30.58 | winks | WW:XYZ |
| 20:31.01 | winks | WW:XY |
| 20:31.06 | winks | not notable |
| 20:31.16 | MasterOfDisguise | ohai |
| 20:31.22 | winks | even our most grumpy wowwiki people are more elaborate |
| 20:31.31 | winks | and we even only delete fanfic n stuff |
| 20:31.44 | winks | only thing here is WW:DNP |
| 20:31.48 | winks | but that needs no discussion |
| 20:32.01 | winks | you read it, you normally know why you were poked |
| 20:32.09 | winks | and if not, you can ask |
| 20:32.14 | winks | but it's not instantly deleted |
| 20:32.22 | winks | it's sad |
| 20:32.53 | winks | wiki(m|p)edia also has this point that there's only "a few bloggers crying" |
| 20:33.04 | winks | yes, there wasn't much in any print medium |
| 20:33.16 | winks | but many renown news sites had articles |
| 20:34.02 | winks | it even led to my latest famous joke |
| 20:34.13 | winks | what's large, grey and not important? |
| 20:34.17 | winks | the irrelevant |
| 20:34.36 | winks | (even a tad funnier with German pronunciation) |
| 20:34.52 | winks | aaaanyways |
| 20:35.05 | winks | I'm glad wowwiki is more like wp_en |
| 20:35.07 | winks | :P |
| 20:35.28 | Ose | wowwiki and enwp are no fun :( |
| 20:35.50 | Ose | prefers taming "wild" wikis :P |
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| 22:02.32 | Sandwichman2448 | Is there a policy or guideline that says it is bad to re-open discussions that are long dead? |
| 22:03.06 | common_sense | yes, me |
| 22:03.43 | Sandwichman2448 | You fail. |
| 22:03.58 | Sandwichman2448 | You are not a rule, and never will be! |
| 22:04.09 | common_sense | lies! |
| 22:04.23 | common_sense | they even named a style sheet in my honor! |
| 22:05.10 | Sandwichman2448 | I do not think that is what it means, if I am thinking of the right thing. |
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| 22:09.15 | Sandwichman2448 | Anyways, common sense would solve many things, but it can not be used as backing for any action on the wiki. |
| 22:09.31 | Sandwichman2448 | Fandyllic is gone... however... |
| 22:10.52 | Sandwichman2448 | It still would be wrong. |
| 22:12.26 | Sandwichman2448 | If an ass comes along and exploits it, then we would need an anti-ass policy, and then who says who is an ass? Policy needs to be objective, but upkeep can not wane because of it. |
| 22:13.01 | Sandwichman2448 | As I have said before, I hate subjectivity. |
| 22:15.41 | Sandwichman2448 | I will start a forum thread, and seef if anyone has a good loophole. |
| 22:15.53 | Sandwichman2448 | see if* |
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| 22:44.32 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Common_sense |
| 22:45.00 | common_sense | hey! |
| 22:45.06 | common_sense | no pinging :P |
| 22:48.11 | Sandwichman2448 | ... |
| 22:48.42 | Sandwichman2448 | You will get pinged. |
| 22:48.58 | common_sense | lies |
| 22:49.32 | Sandwichman2448 | I hope that this common sense thing will not end badly. |
| 22:49.55 | Sandwichman2448 | Common sense will solve a few things. |
| 22:50.16 | common_sense | hey, no pressure, alright? |
| 22:50.57 | Sandwichman2448 | thinks this joke could have been better. |
| 22:51.51 | Sandwichman2448 | Well common_sense, we are all counting on you. |
| 22:53.23 | common_sense | eek |
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| 23:45.14 | Sandwichman2448 | Do I ever make sense? I think I do. |
| 23:48.46 | pcj | hey crucially are there any plans to work with the mobile skin to get all those navigation links somewhere other than the very bottom |
| 23:49.00 | crucially | pcj: yeah, this is just a bandaid |
| 23:49.16 | pcj | cool |
| 23:49.22 | crucially | pcj: you might notice that if you go to any page ending with .php it goes to monaco right now |
| 23:49.23 | pcj | i fixed the link colors |
| 23:49.28 | crucially | pcj: i think the idea is that it sucks less |
| 23:49.32 | crucially | then before :) |
| 23:49.37 | crucially | at least that is why I did it |
| 23:49.54 | pcj | well i can't imagine how bad monaco looks on mobile devices but monobook/wowwiki was ok |
| 23:55.04 | pcj | Sandwichman2448: replied |