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| 09:03.41 | harl | i wonder, is that wowwiki article about wow alignments just a copy of the original d&d alignments meant to loosely adapt to the ways things are in wow (for the fun of it and the sake of role-playing).. or is there actually an alignments system burried within wow (the tcg included) that pretty much resembles the same segmentation d&d alignments already had.. |
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| 09:16.22 | harl | i see now, the swords & sorcery layout has an alignments system which seems to be similar to the one i know from d&d.. figures.. |
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| 14:53.57 | g0urra | erm.. I wonder how Llamaman201 took those images |
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| 14:56.14 | Ressy | beta? |
| 14:56.48 | Ressy | hm. nm. |
| 14:56.55 | Ressy | Menethil's flooded in beta |
| 14:57.08 | pcj | could be on a FP |
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| 19:35.22 | mike32547 | hows it going all? |
| 19:36.50 | pcj | excellent |
| 19:37.13 | mike32547 | awesome |
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| 19:51.15 | mike32547 | so what usually goes on in here |
| 19:51.19 | mike32547 | its dead quiet |
| 19:55.11 | Sky2042 | Not much. |
| 19:55.24 | Sky2042 | Even if there were something going on, it would be in #wowpedia. |
| 19:55.35 | Sky2042 | We're watching paint dry in there, atm. |
| 19:57.43 | mike32547 | lol niceee |
| 19:58.00 | Sky2042 | And that's less metaphorical than you might think. >.> |
| 19:58.00 | mike32547 | i figured you would be discussing about wow patch 4.0 |
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| 20:06.51 | Dotted | no there is more important stuff going on here than patch 4.0 mike32547 |
| 20:07.30 | mike32547 | Dotted explain? |
| 20:07.42 | mike32547 | plz... cause im really currious what goes on in wowwiki |
| 20:07.53 | Dotted | [20:56:11] ::: Topic: Welcome to #wowwiki, please read http://wowwiki.com/WW:IRC | UI&Macros: #wowuidev | Countervandalism: #cvn-wikia-wowwiki | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F |
| 20:07.55 | mike32547 | its alot better than thotbot |
| 20:08.09 | Dotted | that last bit |
| 20:08.22 | mike32547 | ty |
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| 21:02.52 | sannse | g0urra: here? |
| 21:02.59 | g0urra | yes |
| 21:04.06 | sannse | hey :) your edit to the sitenotice is somewhat misleading... as any edits can be transfered between wikis whenever they are done, and as wowwiki on wikia is still going to be editable long-term... can you remove it pelase? |
| 21:04.17 | sannse | only spelt right |
| 21:04.58 | g0urra | notice "may not" |
| 21:05.45 | foxlit | sannse: we'll alter it to reflect what you want. |
| 21:06.04 | pcj | "please edit here, wikia needs the ad money" |
| 21:06.09 | sannse | g0urra: I'm sure they will, I know you guys have the ability to make that so |
| 21:06.26 | sannse | just removing that part would be great :) |
| 21:07.03 | sannse | absolutely refuses to get in to being snarky with pcj ;) |
| 21:07.28 | pcj | too fucking late |
| 21:07.49 | foxlit | sannse: out of interest, did you end up cancelling the queued dump? :) |
| 21:08.09 | sannse | I've not been snarky with you at all pcj, I may have disagreed with you, but nothing more. |
| 21:08.37 | sannse | foxlit: no, I didn't have a request for that (although I guess it's not needed?) - I did the opposite and bumped it |
| 21:09.10 | foxlit | sannse: it's just that Special:Statistics was being weird earlier and showing the "Request dump" button rather than the disabled "Dump has been requested" button. |
| 21:09.38 | pcj | i don't think that button even works :P |
| 21:10.47 | sannse | I'm not sure of the exact process -what I know is that the button sends a request to the queue, unless the current dump is less than a week old, and unless there has been a request in less than a week |
| 21:11.20 | sannse | so it may be that pcj's request was older than a week, and kd3's previous dump was older than a week... so it showed, then someone clicked it |
| 21:14.03 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder. |
| 21:14.41 | foxlit | For a request to be in the queue for a week you'd either have to have a long queue, or it'd have to take ages to actually export the content -- or both. |
| 21:16.07 | sannse | we are in the middle of a major project, all the queues are massive right now :) including the to-do list of the guy who does the dumps... he's working on several major things right now |
| 21:17.11 | sannse | I just checked the request queue - looks like I was right about why the button went again - pcj... I take it that means you /do/ still want the dump even though you have the pages already |
| 21:17.12 | foxlit | Should really be a cronjob :) |
| 21:17.37 | kd3 | just for sanity purposes |
| 21:17.39 | pcj | an sql dump would obviously be more lovely |
| 21:18.03 | kd3 | still wonders how tfwiki wound up with their image dump a few years back... |
| 21:18.06 | sannse | yep, it was, and should be again... but the job has to deal with more than 160,000 wikis now |
| 21:18.20 | sannse | pcj: I've bumped the ticket |
| 21:18.31 | pcj | ok ty |
| 21:18.45 | sannse | kd3: you saw my message, we just got told 'no'... we didn't realise the implications back then |
| 21:19.08 | foxlit | Unfortunate, but nothing that can't be dealt with. |
| 21:19.14 | sannse | although we should have, apparently wikipedia has refused to do them for the same reason for quite a while |
| 21:19.15 | kd3 | indeed |
| 21:19.26 | sannse | *nod* |
| 21:19.30 | kd3 | wait, wha? |
| 21:19.33 | kd3 | tabs open commons |
| 21:19.42 | sannse | wikipedia != commons |
| 21:19.50 | sannse | wikipedia allows fair use images, commons doesn't |
| 21:22.08 | sannse | points back to the sitenotice part of the discussion |
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| 21:23.11 | foxlit | sannse: working on it. However, removing outright would remove that tiny scrap of content -- I intend to replace it with a link to a forum thread. |
| 21:23.40 | sannse | there is already a link to the forum thread |
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| 21:53.08 | foxlit | sannse: http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Sitenotice -- does that work for you? |
| 21:53.33 | g0urra | foxlit: did you change id |
| 21:54.14 | foxlit | Yes; click the link, read the line :) |
| 21:54.39 | pcj | MediaWiki:Sitenoticeâid |
| 21:54.42 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice_id&action=history |
| 21:54.43 | g0urra | >:| |
| 21:54.45 | kd3 | [[Mediawiki:Sitenotice id]] |
| 21:54.47 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/Mediawiki:Sitenotice_id |
| 21:54.55 | foxlit | oh. |
| 21:54.56 | foxlit | er. |
| 21:55.03 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Sitenotice%20id |
| 21:55.22 | foxlit | Did now. |
| 21:55.26 | pcj | hooray |
| 21:55.51 | Sky2042 | foxlit: Anonnotice please, too. |
| 21:56.10 | foxlit | just how many of those things do we have in place? |
| 21:56.21 | kd3 | just the two |
| 21:56.43 | Sky2042 | Surprising that Wikia hasn't managed to increase the number. |
| 21:56.47 | Sky2042 | ;o |
| 21:56.51 | kd3 | rather, they've decreased it |
| 21:56.56 | foxlit | is there an id for the latter one? |
| 21:56.56 | Cooobra | Don't forget Adminnotice |
| 21:56.59 | kd3 | no |
| 21:57.01 | Sky2042 | foxlit: No. |
| 21:57.05 | Sky2042 | kicks Cooobra. |
| 21:57.11 | Cooobra | =P |
| 21:57.16 | kd3 | anonnotice is unequivocally displayed for anons |
| 21:57.18 | g0urra | don't forget btardnotice |
| 21:57.27 | g0urra | oh wait that's anonnotice |
| 21:57.28 | sannse | is reminded once again not to open 400+ tabs at once |
| 21:57.28 | g0urra | nvm |
| 21:57.40 | g0urra | WHAT FOUR HUNDRED |
| 21:58.24 | Cooobra | accidentally click open all tabs on you quicklinks? |
| 21:58.48 | Cooobra | cause I hate when i do that |
| 21:59.02 | sannse | nah, deliberately did so on my history (after losing some tabs I wanted) |
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| 22:09.22 | mike32547 | Cooobra i dont think a computer can handle 400 tabs at once.. |
| 22:09.31 | mike32547 | im surprised if you didnt crash the system |
| 22:09.32 | g0urra | want to bet? |
| 22:09.42 | mike32547 | i said i dont think... dont know for sure |
| 22:09.43 | Shirik | um |
| 22:09.47 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 22:09.49 | sannse | I crashed the browser. |
| 22:09.50 | Shirik | my computer begs to differ |
| 22:09.55 | Shirik | let me show you a screenshot |
| 22:09.58 | mike32547 | plz |
| 22:10.09 | Cooobra | tell your computer it shouldn't beg |
| 22:10.56 | Shirik | This is my computer on an average day: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/87c07179d8fdd19de3b033061d87a5e0.png |
| 22:10.56 | sannse | foxlit: no, I'm afraid that doesn't work. WoWWiki isn't moving, some people from WoWWiki are moving to a fork they have created. the current wiki will still be in place and available for anyone who wishes to use it. |
| 22:11.23 | g0urra | "some people" |
| 22:11.35 | mike32547 | ahhh wow... |
| 22:11.39 | kd3 | is still amused that the ongoing discussions at wikia hq think this is a 'me and pcj only' thing |
| 22:11.44 | mike32547 | and i thought mine was bad.. |
| 22:11.56 | Shirik | as for chrome |
| 22:11.57 | mike32547 | i usually have like 10 opend |
| 22:12.00 | Shirik | wait it gets better |
| 22:12.05 | sannse | kd3: no, we don't think that |
| 22:12.21 | foxlit | sannse: Yes, I see the connotation. Can you suggest an alternate wording that communicates the same thing? |
| 22:12.22 | mike32547 | may i ask why do you need adobe reader open? |
| 22:12.23 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/226b0e91394d8b273f79f11c3b092c2f.png |
| 22:12.36 | pcj | who uses adobe reader anymore :| |
| 22:12.38 | mike32547 | OMG>..... |
| 22:12.40 | pcj | that thing defines bloat |
| 22:12.47 | sannse | foxlit: let me see... |
| 22:12.59 | mike32547 | you must have a quad core processor |
| 22:13.03 | mike32547 | with at least 4 gig of ram |
| 22:13.16 | Shirik | this is actually a laptop |
| 22:13.23 | Shirik | though it does have two HDDs in RAID 0 |
| 22:13.27 | mike32547 | whats on it |
| 22:13.28 | Shirik | and 4 GB RAM |
| 22:13.35 | mike32547 | o yeah ownage |
| 22:13.36 | Shirik | core 2 duo |
| 22:13.39 | Shirik | no I need a new one |
| 22:13.41 | Shirik | it's pretty slow |
| 22:13.48 | mike32547 | i have 5 gig of ram 500 gig hardrive |
| 22:13.53 | g0urra | Shirik: how many tabs are that |
| 22:13.54 | mike32547 | intel chipset family sereies 3 |
| 22:14.07 | Shirik | g0urra: I forget, but it was enough that they actually wouldn't all fit on the window |
| 22:14.13 | pcj | i have 8 GB ram, 2 TB disk space, quad core processor |
| 22:14.16 | pcj | do i win a prize |
| 22:14.17 | Shirik | this is how I found out chrome doesn't have a scroll button to scrolll through the tabs |
| 22:14.24 | Shirik | so you actually can run out of space |
| 22:14.30 | g0urra | damn you pcj |
| 22:14.40 | g0urra | 6 GB ram, 1 TB disk space :( |
| 22:14.48 | pcj | wtf g0urra that's crap |
| 22:14.48 | g0urra | no wait |
| 22:14.50 | g0urra | it was 2TB |
| 22:15.13 | Shirik | oh wait sorry that was the wrong one |
| 22:15.18 | Shirik | this is what I meant to show |
| 22:15.31 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/74607e5d85246c2c441da848b988d6f4.png |
| 22:16.06 | Shirik | notice how it just cuts off on the right side |
| 22:17.33 | mike32547 | do you think cata will be all what its hoped to be |
| 22:17.39 | mike32547 | or will it be a total let down like sc2 |
| 22:17.48 | Shirik | I don't think sc2 was a "total let down" |
| 22:17.53 | Shirik | however I do think it will be a make-or-break |
| 22:17.58 | mike32547 | they left out the commmunity chat |
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| 22:18.05 | g0urra | Shirik, depends on who you ask |
| 22:18.20 | Shirik | The biggest problem is going to be that WoW is so far behind now because they haven't updated the engine really since vanilla |
| 22:18.24 | g0urra | the ones who enjoyed playing custom maps with friends on LAN doesn't like it |
| 22:18.31 | Shirik | so the graphics are getting much worse than what is available in other games these days |
| 22:18.33 | g0urra | Shirik: and nobody cares? :D |
| 22:18.37 | Shirik | I do :( |
| 22:18.51 | mike32547 | i agree what Shirik is saying |
| 22:18.53 | Shirik | I'm just saying that makes it much more volatile |
| 22:18.58 | g0urra | I do enjoy the new water graphics |
| 22:19.01 | mike32547 | savage 2 a tortured soul has better graphics than wow |
| 22:19.02 | Shirik | If you're not going to improve the graphics, youneed to keep the rest of the game up |
| 22:19.08 | mike32547 | runescape has better water graphics |
| 22:19.12 | Shirik | lol. |
| 22:19.16 | g0urra | lol. |
| 22:19.22 | g0urra | too bad they're crap EH |
| 22:19.24 | foxlit | I'm annoyed at the lack of character reflection |
| 22:19.34 | foxlit | It's as if everyone's a vampire or something |
| 22:19.37 | Shirik | I wish Blizzard would make a game like Aion |
| 22:19.46 | Shirik | all the games I like recently have been with horrible companies |
| 22:20.03 | mike32547 | have any of you played savage 2 a tortured soul? |
| 22:20.16 | Shirik | nop |
| 22:20.21 | mike32547 | suposed to intertwine wow with oblivion |
| 22:20.35 | g0urra | a wow killer amirite |
| 22:20.41 | mike32547 | kinda |
| 22:20.42 | mike32547 | its free |
| 22:20.45 | g0urra | lol |
| 22:20.47 | Shirik | if I had a nickel... |
| 22:21.03 | mike32547 | may i link a youtube vid of it? |
| 22:21.24 | g0urra | "The game is played with 2 teams (the Legion of Man and the Beast Horde) fighting against each other on a large playing field in an attempt to eventually destroy the durable command center of the enemy team, thereby winning the game. The game is played in rounds, and no benefits carry over from each match, despite the RPG elements present in each match." |
| 22:21.47 | mike32547 | g0urra that is? |
| 22:21.52 | g0urra | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_2:_A_Tortured_Soul |
| 22:22.03 | mike32547 | can i link a video of it? |
| 22:22.05 | foxlit | ah yes. |
| 22:22.09 | foxlit | The game with bears. |
| 22:22.11 | foxlit | Lasers. |
| 22:22.20 | foxlit | And bears that spew acid in your face? :) |
| 22:22.23 | mike32547 | lol |
| 22:22.48 | mike32547 | its actually pretty awesome |
| 22:23.08 | *** join/#wowwiki Eraclito (~SD@host10-59-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:23.09 | g0urra | what about the "no benefits carry over from each match, despite the RPG elements present in each match" part then? |
| 22:23.26 | mike32547 | i wouldnt know much about that.. |
| 22:23.32 | mike32547 | i havent got a chance to play it |
| 22:23.37 | mike32547 | other than watching videos.. |
| 22:23.45 | mike32547 | my computer couldnt handle it |
| 22:24.00 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN4t3z7yB2g#t=01m08s |
| 22:24.23 | mike32547 | nah nah you gotta see the actual trailer.. |
| 22:24.29 | mike32547 | not a interview of it |
| 22:24.37 | foxlit | "DO YOU LIKE BEARS WITH LAZERS THAT EXPLODE AND SHOOT LIGHTNING FROM THEIR HANDS AND BREATH ACID IN YOUR FACE?" |
| 22:24.38 | Dotted | [Shirik]: so the graphics are getting much worse than what is available in other games these days <- minecraft, your arguement is now invalid |
| 22:24.52 | Shirik | minecraft is an anomaly.. |
| 22:24.53 | pcj | wow is not diamond |
| 22:24.57 | pcj | now diamonds* |
| 22:24.58 | pcj | damn it |
| 22:25.14 | Dotted | Shirik so minecraft is better than wow? |
| 22:26.33 | mike32547 | ive heard of minecraft |
| 22:26.37 | mike32547 | but what is it? |
| 22:26.45 | Dotted | exactly |
| 22:26.57 | mike32547 | im confused |
| 22:26.59 | g0urra | a game where you craft mines |
| 22:27.11 | mike32547 | how is that better than wow? |
| 22:27.13 | Shirik | I never said that Dotted |
| 22:27.24 | Shirik | however it is popular |
| 22:27.30 | Dotted | it is sort of like Garry's Mod but in a live world so to speak |
| 22:27.41 | mike32547 | o |
| 22:27.50 | mike32547 | garys mod is confusing as well |
| 22:27.58 | Dotted | this is much less |
| 22:27.59 | mike32547 | i dont understand the whole sand box deal |
| 22:28.02 | Dotted | yet better |
| 22:28.18 | g0urra | you know what's better Dotted |
| 22:28.20 | g0urra | a swede made it |
| 22:28.30 | mike32547 | why would you want to play a game tahts sole purpose is to play in a sand box enviroment |
| 22:28.47 | Dotted | i know a swede made, which explains the retardation of developing it in java g0urra |
| 22:29.25 | Dotted | mike32547 i guess you need to play it to understand |
| 22:29.26 | mike32547 | i have played it |
| 22:29.32 | mike32547 | i dont understand it |
| 22:29.37 | mike32547 | i have it on steam |
| 22:30.07 | Dotted | have you really played it? |
| 22:30.14 | mike32547 | yeah. |
| 22:30.20 | Dotted | or did you just walk about hitting a few thing along the way |
| 22:30.30 | mike32547 | you create walls from the library of other games |
| 22:30.35 | mike32547 | aka l4d2 |
| 22:30.37 | mike32547 | css |
| 22:30.42 | mike32547 | hl |
| 22:30.45 | Dotted | errr |
| 22:30.53 | mike32547 | the better library graphics you have the better it is |
| 22:30.57 | Dotted | im talking about minecraft |
| 22:31.07 | mike32547 | thought you meant about garys mod sorry |
| 22:31.44 | pcj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk3ibIGKTYA |
| 22:33.11 | mike32547 | is that real? |
| 22:33.18 | mike32547 | the whole wolf thing |
| 22:33.49 | pcj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeFAEKDadCc |
| 22:35.01 | mike32547 | only if that would happen in oklahoma |
| 22:35.37 | g0urra | you're from oklahoma? |
| 22:35.44 | mike32547 | yea |
| 22:35.45 | pcj | isn't everyone |
| 22:36.21 | g0urra | pcj: the wolf pack vid is fake |
| 22:36.29 | mike32547 | you sure? |
| 22:36.29 | pcj | aww |
| 22:36.32 | g0urra | yep |
| 22:36.35 | mike32547 | how ? |
| 22:36.39 | mike32547 | it looked real... |
| 22:37.03 | pcj | so did lord of the rings |
| 22:37.19 | mike32547 | lotr is like wwe |
| 22:37.22 | mike32547 | you know its fake |
| 22:37.41 | Dotted | but if you didnt |
| 22:37.54 | mike32547 | good point |
| 22:39.02 | pcj | http://www.shelfreliance.com/one-year-deluxe-food-storage-package-br-family-of-five.html |
| 22:39.04 | pcj | mmmm |
| 22:39.12 | g0urra | the question is though |
| 22:39.17 | g0urra | why would they have a video camera |
| 22:39.51 | pcj | kgb |
| 22:40.11 | mike32547 | why would anyone wana buy that? |
| 22:40.20 | kd3 | the y2k nuts |
| 22:40.35 | mike32547 | ahh.. like the 2012 nuts |
| 22:40.41 | mike32547 | suposedly gonna happen |
| 22:42.14 | Cooobra | the world will end... but only when I allow it |
| 22:42.25 | mike32547 | Cooobra so your chucknorris? |
| 22:42.32 | Cooobra | aye |
| 22:42.36 | mike32547 | scary |
| 22:43.57 | mike32547 | any of you like the oringal warcraft series? |
| 22:44.01 | Dotted | Cooobra I'm your father! |
| 22:44.08 | sannse | foxlit: sorry to disapear, I had to go talk about the wide table issue with the new skin guys... looks like they are going for a general width change rather than devising some table detecting system |
| 22:44.14 | mike32547 | warcraft 2 and the like |
| 22:44.21 | sannse | I'll post more on the forum in a moment |
| 22:44.41 | g0urra | pcj: http://www.urlesque.com/2010/10/15/russian-cop-leaps-into-drivers-car-to-escape-pack-of-wolves/ |
| 22:44.44 | g0urra | yeah def fake |
| 22:45.50 | pcj | damn it g0urra its not my fault i wasn't raised by wolves like you |
| 22:45.55 | mike32547 | lol |
| 22:48.26 | Ressy | so, wowwiki only is going 1200px? |
| 22:48.27 | Ressy | lawl |
| 22:48.35 | g0urra | lawl |
| 22:48.53 | sannse | that's what they are looking at, yep |
| 22:48.55 | Ressy | Personally, I think why bother |
| 22:49.01 | mike32547 | any of you enjoy war3 at all? |
| 22:49.31 | sannse | because it changes the display of very large tables - which WoWWiki has a lot of |
| 22:49.33 | Ressy | So. Anyone have bets on when wowwiki loses fansite status? :) |
| 22:49.44 | Ressy | which other wikis have too, but you only give a shit about your cash cow |
| 22:49.45 | g0urra | official fansite* |
| 22:50.24 | Ressy | which is an upgrade from thumbing your nose at us before. |
| 22:50.27 | Ressy | but still not good enough |
| 22:51.00 | sannse | Ressy: I'm not going to let you or anyone else taunt me in to biting back, it's not what I do :) |
| 22:51.00 | mike32547 | any of you |
| 22:51.09 | foxlit | sannse: 1200px actually seems like a step back |
| 22:51.19 | sannse | ? |
| 22:51.20 | foxlit | It's wider than my usual browser window. |
| 22:51.51 | Dotted | foxlit sideways scrolling is the new thing you know |
| 22:51.53 | g0urra | foxlit: but the other alternative would be to make it non-fixed width :( |
| 22:51.53 | sannse | foxlit: so should we fix for you? or for those complaining that 1000 is too small? |
| 22:51.59 | Ressy | Sannse, so what do other wikis with large tables do, who can't redesign said tables as they're dpl-generated |
| 22:52.17 | pcj | make everyone use monobook |
| 22:52.30 | foxlit | sannse: you cannot win, unfortunately -- people use different resolutions |
| 22:52.38 | foxlit | As long as your layout is fixed width, it'll annoy someone |
| 22:52.42 | Ressy | ^ |
| 22:52.45 | g0urra | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.50 | pcj | < |
| 22:52.51 | pcj | dang it |
| 22:52.54 | g0urra | v |
| 22:53.02 | pcj | g0urra sucks |
| 22:53.10 | Dotted | > |
| 22:53.10 | sannse | foxlit: exactly, so if people design for their monitor width, they are going to mess it up for readers... that's the point of fixed width |
| 22:53.22 | pcj | ... |
| 22:53.24 | g0urra | ... |
| 22:53.26 | Dotted | ololololol |
| 22:53.53 | Ressy | No sane person designs for specific monitor widths. If they do, they should be smacked in the head. |
| 22:54.38 | sannse | oh you have no idea how many times I get people asking me about messed up layouts, because it works perfection on /one specific resolution/ |
| 22:54.52 | sannse | not everyone understand how such things work :) |
| 22:54.58 | pcj | yeah i imagine the same people who put monaco code in common.css |
| 22:55.15 | Ressy | Theres a lot of stupidity in this world. |
| 22:55.26 | Ressy | but thats not a good reason to compound it. :\ |
| 22:55.40 | sannse | and get confused by complex templates, and prefer wysiwig... welcome to the world outside that of you few brainboxes ;) |
| 22:57.02 | pcj | they'll continue to be confused by that stuff if you dumb it down |
| 22:57.14 | pcj | more code cannot compensate for ignorance |
| 22:57.49 | sannse | if that were true, my mother would still not be able to use a word processor. |
| 22:58.01 | Shirik | Ressy: You'd be surprised how hard it is to make it work for all widths |
| 22:58.02 | sannse | I want her to be able to edit wikis too |
| 22:58.07 | Shirik | For example, make a site that works well on my blackberry |
| 22:58.24 | Cooobra | ew blackberry |
| 22:58.31 | Ressy | yuck |
| 22:58.43 | *** join/#wowwiki Goodwood (~chatzilla@wikia/Goodwood) |
| 22:58.44 | Ressy | I have a bb, but theres no way I'd surf the web on it. |
| 22:58.54 | Ressy | have the pearl flip |
| 22:59.15 | Ressy | but yeah.. I've done cell programming. Its not easy. |
| 22:59.18 | Goodwood | Aw dude, 4 strength 4 stam leather belt! AAAH! Level 18? *gasp, gasp!* |
| 22:59.24 | pcj | o.O |
| 22:59.49 | Cooobra | good for the bear in you |
| 23:00.11 | Goodwood | I found a ring in 'ere last night. |
| 23:00.27 | Cooobra | oh.. good, cause i lost one |
| 23:00.34 | pcj | my precious |
| 23:00.45 | Goodwood | OMG, this guy has a macro where he lands off of a flight like a griffin, |
| 23:01.02 | Goodwood | He gets off an yells FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT! |
| 23:01.07 | pcj | oh |
| 23:01.11 | Cooobra | i have a macro that inserts copper into mages and requests bread/water |
| 23:01.19 | pcj | ore or bars? |
| 23:01.23 | Cooobra | coins |
| 23:01.36 | pcj | oh |
| 23:01.42 | Goodwood | There's two drops on pants in there. |
| 23:01.49 | Goodwood | I found a ring in 'ere last night. |
| 23:01.58 | Cooobra | i figure.. even mages needs a few copper for their work |
| 23:02.11 | Goodwood | Aw dude, 4 strength 4 stam leather belt! AAAH! Level 18? *gasp, gasp!* |
| 23:02.19 | pcj | Goodwood: are you about done |
| 23:02.21 | Goodwood | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! |
| 23:02.27 | Goodwood | (Joe hates himself) |
| 23:02.39 | Cooobra | Joe the plumber? |
| 23:02.58 | Goodwood | It's obviously not me if you see what's in his comment... |
| 23:03.01 | mike32547 | dont know what you like for enertainment.. but fyi worlds dumbest on tru tv is on |
| 23:03.11 | Goodwood | I found a ring in 'ere last night. |
| 23:03.16 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+b *!*@wikia/Goodwood] by pcj |
| 23:03.19 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Goodwood!~pcjjenks@wowwiki/Pcj] by pcj (Goodwood) |
| 23:04.28 | mike32547 | its a worlds dumbest marathon |
| 23:04.32 | sannse | On the sitenotice, foxlit an all. That still says that the wiki is moving. You may be, but it isn't |
| 23:05.04 | foxlit | "sannse: foxlit: let me see..." |
| 23:05.10 | foxlit | You never returned :) |
| 23:05.49 | sannse | [15:44] <sannse> foxlit: sorry to disapear, I had to go talk about the wide table issue with the new skin guys... |
| 23:05.56 | sannse | and now I'm back from that :) |
| 23:06.11 | foxlit | Yes. The line you said "let me see" to was "foxlit: sannse: Yes, I see the connotation. Can you suggest an alternate wording that communicates the same thing?" |
| 23:06.26 | sannse | oh, sorry |
| 23:06.35 | sannse | "Some editors of this wiki are considering setting up an alternative version. For more information, please see [[here]]" |
| 23:06.36 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/here |
| 23:07.08 | pcj | linking "here" is against W3C recommendation |
| 23:07.26 | Cooobra | But [[here]] was deleted by kirkburn |
| 23:07.27 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/here |
| 23:07.29 | Cooobra | =P |
| 23:07.31 | sannse | [[the forum discussion]] |
| 23:07.32 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/the_forum_discussion |
| 23:07.51 | sannse | whaps Dotted ;) |
| 23:07.58 | mike32547 | do you even like worlds dumbest? |
| 23:08.35 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 23:08.41 | foxlit | "are considering" is kind of meh |
| 23:08.55 | foxlit | I like the "based on feedback" phrase |
| 23:08.56 | sannse | have decided? are talking about? |
| 23:09.02 | Ressy | "are leaving wikia for an alternative wowwiki" |
| 23:09.03 | pcj | "are" |
| 23:09.25 | sannse | OK |
| 23:09.35 | foxlit | Also, some amount of dislike for "some editors." |
| 23:09.43 | sannse | contributors? |
| 23:09.48 | Ressy | Admin and main contributors |
| 23:10.02 | foxlit | "we"? |
| 23:10.16 | foxlit | Or perhaps entirely in passive voice |
| 23:10.23 | pcj | "We, the people of WoWWiki, in order to form a more perfect community..." |
| 23:10.30 | sannse | ha! |
| 23:10.38 | g0urra | you know, if you wanted to make my parents edit a wiki, you'd have to make them brainless |
| 23:10.42 | sannse | "Some member of this wiki are setting up an alternative version. For more information, please see [[here]]" |
| 23:10.43 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/here |
| 23:10.48 | sannse | +s |
| 23:10.53 | pcj | heres |
| 23:10.58 | g0urra | versions |
| 23:10.59 | sannse | damn, forgot to change the here link |
| 23:11.00 | foxlit | "Based on [[feedback]] about WoWWiki's current host, an alternate version [[is currently being set up]]" |
| 23:11.00 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/feedback, www.wowwiki.com/is_currently_being_set_up |
| 23:11.10 | pcj | no dotted |
| 23:11.36 | g0urra | "[[Based]] on feedback [[about]] WoWWiki's [[current]] host, [[an alternative]] version is [[currenly]] being set [[up]]" |
| 23:11.37 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/Based, www.wowwiki.com/about, www.wowwiki.com/current, www.wowwiki.com/an_alternative, www.wowwiki.com/currenly, www.wowwiki.com/up |
| 23:12.10 | sannse | humm... |
| 23:12.39 | foxlit | "Based on [[contributor feedback]], ..."? |
| 23:12.40 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/contributor_feedback |
| 23:14.13 | sannse | based on feedback... I guess I would prefer that more if it were based on the views of the millions who view the wiki (and who haven't even /seen/ the new look in most cases |
| 23:14.15 | pcj | {{#ifexpr:{{#time:U}}>1287532800|[http://www.newsite.com Go to the new improved site now]|Based on [[contributor feedback]]...}} |
| 23:14.15 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/contributor_feedback |
| 23:15.04 | Ressy | Views doesn't matter if theres no updated information to view. |
| 23:15.06 | sannse | we won't agree to a link to your new site on the site notice. |
| 23:15.17 | Ressy | oh wait. the ads. nm |
| 23:15.37 | foxlit | sannse: It probably isn't a problem. Link to the new site in a thread linked to from the site notice? |
| 23:15.57 | sannse | yah, that's different |
| 23:16.07 | foxlit | So as to avoid "Hey, where did everyone go?" topics popping up anyhow :) |
| 23:16.09 | pcj | we'll just use JS to detect if people hate themselves and want to stay on wikia or would prefer to leave :P |
| 23:16.56 | kd3 | mm... garlic bread pizza |
| 23:17.01 | pcj | indeed |
| 23:17.23 | sannse | pcj: if you can write JS to detect what's in people's minds... then congratulatiuons on being a future billionaire :P |
| 23:17.53 | pcj | im sure wikia has a variable for it somewhere, in all the facebook stuff |
| 23:18.18 | Ressy | so what happens when someone decides to copy info from the new wiki to the old because the new wiki has better info? |
| 23:18.29 | pcj | that's up to them |
| 23:18.33 | pcj | they'd better attribute it though |
| 23:18.35 | sannse | I wish... would help me detect whether it really was someone's brother vandalising |
| 23:19.25 | Ressy | I had a case of "I was sleeping. my neighbour used my comp". 7 days in a row. |
| 23:19.46 | Ressy | "dont care. blocked." |
| 23:20.06 | pcj | ressy is a harsh mistress |
| 23:20.11 | foxlit | Ressy: flow of contributions isn't really a problem. If anything, it might be better if there were no significant differences in content between the two for a while. |
| 23:20.12 | sannse | "An alternative version of this wiki is being set up. For more information, please visit {{the forum}}" (I'm avoiding that bot) |
| 23:20.12 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/the_forum |
| 23:20.15 | sannse | bah |
| 23:20.20 | kd3 | lol |
| 23:20.22 | g0urra | lopl |
| 23:20.27 | Ressy | the sheer volume of the vandalism was staggering |
| 23:20.44 | pcj | NO ONE EXPECTS THE DOTTED |
| 23:20.48 | Ressy | which is why i was so harsh. took me a while to clean the crap up |
| 23:21.03 | sannse | Ressy: "brother" or "cousin" is more common than neighbour... but yeah, seen that one too |
| 23:21.12 | foxlit | sannse: "For more information, please visit [blah]" is avoidable entirely by linking to to it from "being set up" |
| 23:21.34 | sannse | OK |
| 23:21.39 | Cooobra | Pooper scoopers on aisle 3 Ressy |
| 23:21.40 | foxlit | I'd prefer to keep this short(er). There are, however, two threads -- and I'd like both of them to be around |
| 23:22.16 | sannse | "An alternative version of this wiki is being (set up). Please see (the forum) for discussion." |
| 23:22.31 | sannse | and "ha!" to dotted |
| 23:23.35 | sannse | I like that it's totally neutral, says "this is happening" and leaves the rest to the forum pages |
| 23:24.17 | Cooobra | bah neutral... FOR THE HORDE! |
| 23:24.29 | sannse | gives the horde cookies |
| 23:24.50 | Cooobra | runs off with plate of cookies |
| 23:25.21 | foxlit | Actualy, how do you feel about shortening it to ""An alternative version of this wiki is being (set up)"? |
| 23:25.53 | Cooobra | short and sweet... just like me, I like it |
| 23:25.57 | sannse | ok, that can work too |
| 23:27.31 | foxlit | pcj: g0urra: kd3: ping. |
| 23:27.39 | pcj | foxlit: pong |
| 23:27.44 | mike32547 | marco |
| 23:27.47 | kd3 | pong; as long as it doesn't get deleted by staff the instant we put it up |
| 23:28.06 | g0urra | sure |
| 23:28.08 | kd3 | ... it works for me (where'd that enter come from) |
| 23:28.18 | foxlit | Hey, I don't think the staff has deleted anything yet :) |
| 23:28.22 | Cooobra | from your keyboard |
| 23:28.48 | Cooobra | polo |
| 23:29.37 | mike32547 | lol finally |
| 23:29.42 | Cooobra | =) |
| 23:29.56 | Cooobra | sry.. was underwater |
| 23:30.03 | Ressy | sannse: You never answered about what other wikis with large tables are supposed to do. Some can't redesign said tables to be smaller due to the sheer amount of information. |
| 23:30.19 | foxlit | sannse: http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Sitenotice |
| 23:31.04 | Cooobra | don't forgot Adminnotice |
| 23:31.18 | Cooobra | and don't forget either |
| 23:31.23 | pcj | oh, update community corner in case people are already on oasis...oh wait that doesn't work |
| 23:31.37 | sannse | Ressy: other wikis have a larger number of people on that lower resolution - so it would cause more problems. /But/ we are going to be doing a whole lot of monitoring, so what happens on WoWWiki may change things in the future elsehwere |
| 23:31.41 | Ressy | still? I thought that was supposed to be fixed Monday? |
| 23:32.24 | sannse | I think it's fixed, but in the next code release (which is likely going to be Tuesday) - I'm not certain though, not got that ticket bookmarked |
| 23:32.37 | sannse | foxlit: thanks :) and to all others for discussing |
| 23:33.04 | Ressy | I have no clue as to numbers on the farmville wiki, however we can't redesign the tables. They're dp-generated, and for some reason we can't get a scrollbar to display for the table to make it fit in oasis. :\ |
| 23:34.44 | *** join/#wowwiki LibertineLush (~Libertine@unaffiliated/libertinelush) |
| 23:35.00 | Cooobra | farmville |
| 23:35.03 | Cooobra | chuckles |
| 23:35.05 | sannse | Ressy: that sounds like something we can help with... can you email [[Special:Contact]] with some examples (out my name on the mail so it comes to me) |
| 23:35.06 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contact |
| 23:35.07 | Ressy | shush |
| 23:35.16 | sannse | not that one Dotted |
| 23:35.30 | sannse | farmville.wikia.com/ :P |
| 23:36.21 | pcj | [[w:c:farmville:Special:Contact]] |
| 23:36.21 | Dotted | www.wowwiki.com/w:c:farmville:Special:Contact |
| 23:36.32 | pcj | hey it works |
| 23:36.34 | pcj | gj dotted |
| 23:36.50 | sannse | heh |
| 23:36.53 | Ressy | yeah yeah Cooobra. I'm an admin there. The main admin actually. |
| 23:36.59 | pcj | ressy: what about ajr |
| 23:37.06 | sannse | wanders off to find a bit of weekend |
| 23:37.07 | pcj | ressy: that skin sucks |
| 23:37.10 | Ressy | he's handsoff |
| 23:37.15 | Ressy | he's had enough of the new skin |
| 23:37.17 | Ressy | and has said fuck it |
| 23:37.24 | pcj | i see |
| 23:37.40 | g0urra | Ressy: who would he want you to fuck the new skin |
| 23:37.40 | Ressy | pcj, you've said that a few hundred times. |
| 23:37.54 | pcj | it still sucks |
| 23:37.56 | Ressy | yeah |
| 23:37.57 | Cooobra | if the new skin was flabby enough |
| 23:38.04 | Ressy | its not getting better unless someone cares enough to change it. |
| 23:38.09 | Ressy | I don't care enough as I'm leaving |
| 23:59.29 | *** join/#wowwiki Fargos (~abcdefg@manz-590ef0eb.pool.mediaWays.net) |
